lore-discussion

[split mortar]

Anything else uh

Idk

[compact ridge]

Yeah I know all that but what about it makes it draconic does it like world soul chunks in it or something

[split mortar]

I headcanon that its the magic and power of the dragons body seeping into the world while the soul just exists

[compact ridge]

My headcanon is that the piece of the world soul that would’ve gone to old Duke got taken by some random dragon like a couple hundred years before got shoved into a massive pile of gold and it got put all over

Peak I know

[split mortar]

The piece that woulda went to old duke went to the dragon of faith which dogma ate

Also aerialite is possibly a dragon metal as well???

[compact ridge]

There would’ve been 2 chunks left instead of the 1 that fair ate

Faith*

Old Duke got fucked over by literal metal bc it would be funny as hell

[split mortar]

Maybe it depends on the dragons domain what the metal gets
Then
Why is auric like, electric explosive not fire rebirth

[compact ridge]

I mean I don’t think auric is a Yharon thing

It’s just a dragon thing

Yharon’s the only dragon around to fuck up and use soul-shavings on

[split mortar]

Yeah but then what is aerialite the other dragon metal

[compact ridge]

That was made by a specific dragon

[split mortar]

Yeah so then this applies no?

[compact ridge]

It’s like a draconic offchute it doesn’t have any soul juice it was just made by a dragon I think

Auric has soul juice and I guess soul juice is electric flavored

[split mortar]

If its made of soul juice why would soul juice neutralise it

[compact ridge]

Soul juice gets mad if it touches the wrong style of soul so it kills you

If you give it the right stuff it’s happy and spares you (and everyone else if it’s mock attunement)

[wanton pendant]

Electric like defibrillator.

[split mortar]

You dont exist

[wanton pendant]

Yet your optical sensors perceive me.

[pulsar ocean]

fucking nerd

[wanton pendant]

I will invert your teeth.

[split mortar]

I will reorganise your cells by alphabetical order.

[wanton pendant]

I will put you into the glorbulator.

[heavy zenith]

Is it safe to assume that humans have been around since time started being recorded (so 1800 some odd years ago?) Or did dragons start recording the numbered years before that or what

[split mortar]

Azafure is a human settlement and its creation is what the start of the calendar is based on so yeah safe to assume humans existed before then imo

[heavy zenith]

Right, like im sure it takes quite some time for humans to go from existing to building the First Great City in the underworld

[misty notch]

whats the deal with yharim i saw people calling him a lying manipulative asshole

[zenith geode]

notice how there are whispers from him about the corruption and the crimson but not the hallow

[misty notch]

i didnt notice that

[worldly spindle]

That’s the funniest way to call him manipulative lmao

[woeful hatch]

Ok so, the fact is that a lot of the stuff he says is clearly lying/manipulating us by changing/omitting details

[misty notch]

i want to learn about the lore but everytime i beat a boss i just bin the whisper thingy

[woeful hatch]

[worldly spindle]

I wanna learn the lore but I keep getting rid of the lore

[woeful hatch]

Anyways if you want there's some documents in the pins of this channel

[misty notch]

rs

[woeful hatch]

It has most if not all of the publically available lore

Including some stuff that isn't in the game yet

[misty notch]

i would like that thank you

[woeful hatch]

Yes check in the pins

Its there

[misty notch]

thx choom

[paper latch]

is daedalus mentionned on the new lore

[split mortar]

No

[paper latch]

why

bring back daedalus

the goat

[mighty zenith]

no

[paper latch]

nooooo

[mighty zenith]

daedalus draedon's creator theory

[paper latch]

ong

draedon's dad

[split mortar]

If you really wanna you can headcanon the scientist dead infront of draedon when it turned on was daedalus but like eh

[paper latch]

ok wait that wouldnt make sense

[paper latch]

wait thats exactly what you said

im dumb

why isnt he mentioned anymore tho?

he was a literal genius

he was a threat to yharim iirc

and there were whole armies sent just to kill him iirc

[split mortar]

Has no spot to fill

[split mortar]

With how yharim is in new lore he would just die

[paper latch]

the one thing he fucked up killed him iirc

[paper latch]

i meant early yharim iirc

[mighty zenith]

he was basically draedon and permafrost combined but with less relevance

[paper latch]

like before he had met calamitas i thinkk

[split mortar]

Even back then some of the stronger gods still died to him

[paper latch]

imo if so, the daedalus set should get renamed

cuz its a redo of Xeroc Armor

[split mortar]

Including the strongest non The Sun God

[mighty zenith]

most likely will be in the future

[paper latch]

yay

[split mortar]

Yeah will almost certainly have that happen

[paper latch]

daedalus getting wiped from the calamity timeline

he never existed in the first place

[mighty zenith]

he can join ignalius in the azafure walmart

[paper latch]

do you guys remember when fabsol removed Engineering Genius Xanatos in 2017

[leaden bridge]

Well obviously dude, he climbed the miracle tower and his creativity became Andromeda and his Curiosity became Draedon

[split mortar]

Youve been saying that a lot recently did you recently hear of that or smth

[paper latch]

he stopped whole armies with nothing but primitive tools

so sad fabsol removed Xanatos in the lore

[leaden bridge]

Some things come from places it is better to keep hidden

[paper latch]

Xanatos has been silenced by the devs

theyre hiding the truth

[split mortar]

Ah so its still hidden ok

[leaden bridge]

All I'm saying is you need to let your curiosity become draedon

[paper latch]

am i actually the only one who remembers him?

[split mortar]

True

[leaden bridge]

Xanatos will come back in: Calamity Community Remix

[paper latch]

man i wish

Glory to Xanatos!

[split mortar]

Calamity Community Remix when Calamity Community Cover walks in

[paper latch]

Calamity Community Remix when Calamity Community Original walks in

you guys think the fabled Xanatos will come back with Yharim?

He was so much of a genius, he managed to get trapped in his own invention which erased him from all timelines

[split mortar]

Hmmm

[paper latch]

By the defeat of Yharim, the timeline will get reset and will free Xanatos from his eternal prison

notice something funny, Xanatos has been erased completely from the Internet. Everything that mentions Xanatos has been taken down by the devs

[wanton pendant]

What the hell are you all talking about?
Who the hell is Xanatos?

[paper latch]

he was a character introduced and removed by the dreaded Fabsol in 2017

he wasnt an NPC or a Boss in the game, just a mention in the lore

At that time, Calamity did not have such a massive fandom, so the word never got across properly, and when it did, posts talking about it got taken down

[wanton pendant]

Ok, so Xanatos was Big Boss who had his accomplishments erased by the Patriots so we don't know about them.

[paper latch]

yes

It was in a very primitive era of Calamity, i was personally part of it. There have been concept of Xanatos as an Armored Chaos Elemental with Hair, although this is lost media silenced by the devs

[zenith geode]

xanatos?

[paper latch]

Yes, he was the true inspiration of Thanatos

[wanton pendant]

Add Punished Xanatos as a GFB boss.

[paper latch]

Xanatos was Xeroc's descendance in 2017

he wore the beloved Xeroc Armor on concept

Which is now renamed to Empyrean Armor

[weary current]

Who was the Torch God in Calamity lore? I know he is Vanilla only, but being a "god", surely he was somewhere among Yharim's crusade?

[zenith geode]

good question

[paper latch]

it was Xanatos

[zenith geode]

one theory is that its a carbon monoxide induced hallucination

[weary current]

Also, does the new lore retroactively retcon itself to the pre-2.0 lore, including cut bosses like Astarageldon and BumbleBirb?

[weary current]

I just enjoy reading the lore, not dying to Yharon 30 times in a row

[compact ridge]

What do you mean? Liek does it ignore those bc if that’s ur question yes cut content isn’t canon

[dusk laurel]

bumblebird isnt a cut boss it was just reworked into the dragonfolly ages ago

which also is getting remade sometime in the future anyways

[pulsar ocean]

which boss isn’t

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah

[zenith geode]

boc, maybe prov maybe scal

[split mortar]

Whar

[dusk laurel]

kozz moment

[weary current]

I have just played both versions

[split mortar]

All we know is its bestiary entry

Why would the current continuity of the lore include removed content

[weary current]

I just know games like Metal Gear and Zelda frequently retcon their past lore to say things like "The real reason Big Boss betraayed Snake at Outer Heaven is because of the Patriots" or stuff.

[split mortar]

If you think about zelda timeline too seriously then a migraine spell from nintendo is cast on you

[dusk laurel]

nintendo curse

[split mortar]

Also no the lore just retcons things normally
One mod so no need to pull that stuff

[weary current]

Makes sense

[minor knoll]

There is no continuity across multiple games that weren't made with each other in mind, so nonsense like that doesn't need to happen.

[wanton pendant]

Zelda doesn't frequently retcon stuff, and introducing new information isn't a retcon.

What was a retcon in Metal Gear was the final boss not being Big Boss, but instead being Venom Snake.

[dusk laurel]

retcon wwg

[wanton pendant]

I will never be a memory.

[raven brook]

i'm still a ifrm believer of torch god isn't actually real and is just a carbon monoxide overdose hallucination theory

even the torch god theme lyrics indirectly support that

it fits

[agile matrix]

getting incinerated by dragonflame because the terrarian, quote, made it up

[raven brook]

yeah it's cuz ur overdosing and dying

ur hallucinating that ur being set on fire

if you survive torch god that just means you survived not dying to the overdose

😌

[violet sparrow]

you should make SSO about the buildup to old duke

This is how you drum up dev motivation to work on it again

[wanton pendant]

But Old Duke isn't in the Sunken Sea.

[barren mortar]

not with that attitude

[wanton pendant]

Introducing an invasive species to a fragile ecosystem? Perish the thought.

[lethal sage]

yharim will get added to the mod right?

for us to fight?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[pulsar ocean]

Expect yharim in like 10 years maybe

Give or take

[barren mortar]

7 if we're lucky

[robust osprey]

wrong

yharim update coming out in 2015

[pulsar ocean]

I’m jealous of the new generation when they get to like 15 and buy terraria yharim is already gonna be in calamity mod

[barren mortar]

precisely one year before the mod was created to the hour

[barren mortar]

i think the completed calamity mod might genuinely kill someone through sheer peak

[pulsar ocean]

Imagine being a kid in 2045 and you download calamity mod and yharon genuinely looks like the most beautiful thing ever and you get to fight yharim and noxus and xeroc

And fables sunless sea update just dropped

[barren mortar]

instantaneous explosion

[lethal sage]

yharon sprite sucks

[barren mortar]

very funny

[lethal sage]

you think its good?

[barren mortar]

this one is

[wanton pendant]

This is ugly?

[lethal sage]

a bird with hands?

[woeful hatch]

How the fuck Is that a bird with hands

Genuinely what sort of birds do you see

I wanna go there too

[wanton pendant]

Concerning.

[woeful hatch]

And get one as a pet

[barren mortar]

that is 18 things before a bird

[lethal sage]

look at those feathery wings

and feathery tails

[mighty zenith]

its a dragon with bird features

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's probably the Phoenix theming.

[mighty zenith]

because its based on a phoenix

[barren mortar]

if feathers were the only thing required for birds we could all be birds

[pulsar ocean]

This guy would fit in a jungle

[woeful hatch]

Yes that is a dragon with feathers

Is Quetzalcoatl a bird too?

[wanton pendant]

No, we're men, as we're featherless bipeds.

[barren mortar]

[split mortar]

Yharon looks like a phoenix because rebirth

[barren mortar]

woaw,

[mighty zenith]

its like he's some kind of dragon god, yharon

[lethal sage]

sorry bois

i was talking about this sprite

[barren mortar]

yeah that one sucks

[lethal sage]

ainnoway yall think this is good

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that one is getting scrapped.

[zenith geode]

it was quite good for its time

[barren mortar]

it's going away

[split mortar]

That sucks

[barren mortar]

and now it is Not

[zenith geode]

but the standards have risen so much since then

[barren mortar]

the purple is also just

completely random

[split mortar]

Random shadowspec on the yhar

[mighty zenith]

how about the green tumors in his wings

[barren mortar]

leaves

[light linden]

the thing I'm wondering

are those supposed to be scales?

[zenith geode]

i thought those were feathers or at least the vague idea of them

[light linden]

feathers?

[lethal sage]

i would say feather

definitely

he is a phoenix after all

he is so hot

and

cool

[zenith geode]

he was the jungle dragon at the time of that sprite

[mighty zenith]

i'll always call then tumors because they look disgusting

[lethal sage]

now he is dragon of rebirth?

[zenith geode]

no phoenix in sight then

[zenith geode]

yeah

[light linden]

yes

[lethal sage]

ahaha

[light linden]

he's always had phoenix theming

and still does

[lethal sage]

thats why so much lore change

friggin 1 hour long video just for lore change

[light linden]

dragons in lore looked very different

[icy veldt]

Looks more edible than the new sprite

[light linden]

vetrasyl is a wyvern

[mighty zenith]

that video is 95% changes to the vanilla bestiary

[icy veldt]

Made of chicken

[wanton pendant]

Don't look at videos.

[light linden]

old duke is a fishron

[hollow pivot]

That sprite is almost a decade old.

[mighty zenith]

nah i know which video they're talking about

the person who made it actually keeps up with the updates and knows what the lore is

[lethal sage]

then how do i know lore, im lazy, ion have much time either

[mighty zenith]

first pin in this channel

has a document compiling everything we currently know

[lethal sage]

omaigah

only if i ever checked pins

[wanton pendant]

Second pin has everything beyond just in game.

[hollow pivot]

I think the rules explicitly state to read pins in every channel.

[lethal sage]

omaigah

it does

dont ban me mods

im just an innocent player

🥺

gamers dont look up

[mighty zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054097550577254440/1467721415435489515/OzzzAR7777T222.gif

[lethal sage]

thank god this guy is a nice mod

i would have been cooked

TvT

than kyou mod

[mighty zenith]

that rule is more of a recommendation

unless you're actively being problematic about it

[thick slate]

can you send barbarian

[mighty zenith]

but most people just. go and read the pins and move on lol

[lethal sage]

im dum dum

thanks for letting me know about the pins

sometimes i literally forget that pin feature exists

[hollow pivot]

I'm trying to cut back on spam so just take a link to Barbarianthinking.png.
#lore-discussion message

[thick slate]

thank you

he warms my heart

[heavy zenith]

🥺

[mighty zenith]

ayy

[hollow pivot]

Why can I see what this is replying to but when I click on it I don't get sent to a message?

[split mortar]

Pisscord

[heavy zenith]

Nitro exclusive

[pulsar ocean]

Thank you for being so nice to the new member

[mighty zenith]

you're welcome kozz user from calamity mod discord

[crimson junco]

what

where you got this

[dusk laurel]

from: trianglepixel has: file | 2025.9.22 03:03 EST

[split mortar]

The organisms are loud today

[dusk laurel]

the cryptid utters a noise in this hollow land

[split mortar]

Vanillin shenanigans when

[crimson junco]

I've never seen that animation what...

[dusk laurel]

[pulsar ocean]

I’ve seen that animation

[leaden bridge]

TRUE and confirmed by the DEVELOPERS: yharim

[long bloom]

nuh uh

[terse moss]

If he is in the game, why can’t I fight him 🤔

[wanton pendant]

FALSE and SPURNED by OZZATRON: You deserve mercy.

[pulsar ocean]

Pardon

[feral skiff]

how would Xeroc react if an early-game terrarian crawled through the Abyss, grabbed the terminus, then used it to summon the Boss Rush and immediately getting murdered by King Slime

[split mortar]

You can do that in game

[pulsar ocean]

What if we used our imaginations tho

In game he doesn’t care

Because he’s scripted to say the same thing

[split mortar]

Imagines xeroc as gay

[feral skiff]

yes, imagination is Good

we were all designed to Think

[pulsar ocean]

Why us specifically

What makes us different from other species

Are there more like us out there

What led to all of this

[feral skiff]

a Thinking Mind that can brew up conundrums like “How would [Character X] react if they brutally murdered [Character Y] accidentally”

[feral skiff]

unfortunately this is the #lore-discussion not philosophy channel..

[pulsar ocean]

It’s sometimes just so insane to think about us going from basically nothing to having everything in the span of like 200 years from 1800

People 200 years ago wouldn’t even comprehend a concept of a smartphone or a personal computer

What going to happen in 200 years from now?

Nobody knows

What makes mankind so special

[wanton pendant]

Thumbs.

[split mortar]

Why is kozz speaking like colgator

[split mortar]

Bigger brain

[wanton pendant]

They're the same person, haven't you figured that out yet?

[split mortar]

The vibes do not align

[wanton pendant]

Oh, but I have British vibes?

[split mortar]

Yes

[wanton pendant]

See, proof your vibe detector is faulty.

[split mortar]

Nah

[wanton pendant]

The hell do you mean 'nah'!?

[normal mantle]

Do we have a canon design for xeroc?

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc as a human.

P.S. WHY IS XEROC ON THE VILLAINS WIKI!?

[heavy zenith]

This is pre ascension?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[normal mantle]

Technically he’s the root of like all the genocide against dragons

Which is pretty bad

[long scaffold]

That is one heck of a spear to be holding like that

[wanton pendant]

I read the entry. I genuinely think Yharim himself wrote it.

[normal mantle]

😭

I’m gonna have to read it

[plucky juniper]

okay first off wtf is your pfp

[normal mantle]

Freak Sigmatra

Made it myself

[icy veldt]

Dragons had it coming

[hollow pivot]

Dragons lowk overrated.

[light linden]

was that amidias?

[zenith geode]

yeah

[dusk laurel]

was indeed

[wanton pendant]

Amidias decided to become a Resident Evil boss.

[heavy zenith]

Was Silva referring to Braelor in the Blossom Flux entry when she was talking about taking away the guardian of Vernal Pass? I also kind of interpreted it as maybe the Dragon of Life couldve been their guardian too

[dusk laurel]

yah

it was braelor

[heavy zenith]

Sick thx

[sinful adder]

What exactly did Silva do then? Make plantera go on a rampage?

[heavy zenith]

Pretty sure the opposite

I think she just felt bad for taking Braelor from Vernal Pass letting Plantera ravage the whole place in his absence

[light linden]

opposite

[sinful adder]

I see

[light linden]

basically plantera was the response of the villagers in the vernal pass to braelor leaving

plantera went on a rampage and presumably killed everyone

silva is making it guard the vernal pass now

[sinful adder]

Ok I thought so, just wasn't sure exactly

[raw nest]

What item does that description come from?

[long bloom]

gruesome eminence?

one of the exhumes

[light linden]

probably not post-ascension but pre-ascension yes

[raw nest]

I looked at all the exhumes and nope

Not from them

[long bloom]

oh it's devil's devastation

[raw nest]

Dang that was fast

How’d you find it?

[long bloom]

i remembered

[thick slate]

meow

[agile matrix]

exhume dialogue is red, this is purplish-crimson

[hollow pivot]

Bro why did you take 10 days to respond?

[raw nest]

I didn’t I just remembered reading that exact same text from your picture but I forgot where it was from so I searched up “brimstone” in the search bar for this channel and thankfully you had it

[hollow pivot]

Oh that makes sense actually.

[dusty pier]

Does this confirm the devourer of gods is male or?(storm weaver new lore item)

[agile matrix]

i'm like 99% sure DoG was implied masculine

for all i know he's got nothing Genderwise but masc makes sense

[dusty pier]

Well this refers to it as "he" so I am guessing it is a male(or more prone to a male), and why does it want to kill the storm weaver???

[agile matrix]

im half sure he's scared of it

[raven brook]

Weaver theoru

[eager bluff]

not exactly male

[raven brook]

Weaver numero um campeao do mundo

[eager bluff]

more thats just what its been assigned

[hollow pivot]

Dog wants to kill Storm Weaver because it's outside the control of Noxus iIrc.

[split mortar]

New cheese pfp

[dusty pier]

Yeah, why

As it is implied the "to powerful to hold" is a lie

[dusty pier]

Isnt this old lore???

[eager bluff]

no

[dusty pier]

Wait DoG follows noxus???

[split mortar]

Weaver theory

[raven brook]

No old lore weaver was d9gs adopred son

[hollow pivot]

Storm Weaver was a servant for Dog in Old Lore right?

[split mortar]

Yes

[split mortar]

Old lore had weaver be dogs adopted son i think???? Idr

[dusty pier]

Who else does?

[split mortar]

Most of the distortion

[dusty pier]

What?

I mean, I thought they were freindly

[eager bluff]

signus and storm weaver and moon lord are the guys that dont

[hollow pivot]

When Dog eats gods their essence goes to Noxus.

Ceaseless Void isn't sentient afaIk.

[dusty pier]

Ohh, so is that against yharim or?

[split mortar]

Yeah ceaseless is effectively a door

[split mortar]

Noxus wants to end the world

[dusty pier]

So does DoG not grow stronger?

[split mortar]

No

No power copying

[dusty pier]

Portal is more like it

[hollow pivot]

Dog would only grow stronger if Noxus gives him more power as a reward.

[split mortar]

What are portals but doors

[eager bluff]

cv is a door with a claymore strapped to it

[split mortar]

Door fight

[hollow pivot]

But we don't know if Noxus does that still.

[dusty pier]

Doors aint taking you to another dimension or some of that tho

[eager bluff]

portal is a synonym of door or entrance

[raven brook]

Weaver theory tldr

Weaver is likely a prototype DoG (Implied) that broke free and isnt a part of its hivemind (Confirmed) and poses a direct threat to Noxus cuz it has "similar powers" thus implies the same essence consumption (Implied) and since unlike DoG, there is no connection to Noxus, the essence just goes directly to weaver, being a huge wrench in Noxus's plan to absorb essence and thats y dog wants to kill weaver rly bad

[split mortar]

The doors you have went through sound lame idk

[eager bluff]

so yes a portal is a door

[raven brook]

None of the distortion guys gaf abt yharim

DoG works for him but only for his own agenda

[eager bluff]

only dog does but thats because where yharim goes gods tend to die

[dusty pier]

Is NOXUS against yharim?

[raven brook]

Not rly

[eager bluff]

no

noxus doesnt give a shit about yharim

[hollow pivot]

Noxus is pretty Neutral afaIk.

[hollow pivot]

He just wants to get power and he doesn't care how.

[eager bluff]

noxus is pretty evil i think

[hollow pivot]

I think Noxus in Calamity is closer to Chaotic Neutral than Chaotic Evil.

[dusty pier]

Ok now, how many parties are there in this mod

I thought it was:

Yharim's army

Gods yharim kills

[split mortar]

Noxus does wanna end the world though
So yharim would probably oppose noxus if he knew

[raven brook]

Noxus is some uber powerful entity from the distortion

DoG is its underling

[hollow pivot]

Because to my understanding he doesn't do things out of malice or go out of his way to do evil, he just absorbs power because he wants to.

[raven brook]

Theres a hive mind it controls

Tvats abt what we know

We have no idea what its ideals or personalitu or anuyhing is

[split mortar]

Gods werent a united force so gods alone were many sides

[hollow pivot]

The gods are literally just random people who absorb souls for the most part.

[raven brook]

Its not as simple as just factions,

Its a entire world

With difgerent nations, histories, organisms and people

[dusty pier]

Ok, what the f*** is going on this lore???

[hollow pivot]

Calamity is filled with tons of people.
Despite Yharim killing half the population, I doubt that means half the population were god worshippers.

[eager bluff]

its a world

[hollow pivot]

Devs trying to make the world an actual planet.

[raven brook]

Worldbuilding

Most stories do it in some form

[dusty pier]

Yeah, with chaning history too huh?

[split mortar]

What?

[eager bluff]

since when

[split mortar]

Huh?

[hollow pivot]

I'd be disappointed in stories that don't have worldbuilding.

[dusty pier]

The lore itself keeps changing

[raven brook]

Not really

[hollow pivot]

The lore has had major revamps like once or twice.

[split mortar]

Hasnt ddone so majorly in years

[raven brook]

It changed like once 3? Years ago

[hollow pivot]

The thing is the lore is still being developed to some degree, and is being told to us to a lesser degree.

[dusty pier]

Keyword, "majorly"

[eager bluff]

the last overwhelming change was in like 2022 and that wasnt that major of an overwhelming change because there wasnt much lore there atp

[raven brook]

There was the ancient ass fablore but we dont talk abt that

[eager bluff]

the rest has been additions

[raven brook]

It just got more stuff added

Because the mod is unfinishes

[eager bluff]

its not changing the past theres just More Shit Now

[raven brook]

And so is tge ingame lore

[split mortar]

Yeah things like what empress is might have been retconned to be a demigod idk but like other then that idk if its been changed or added on

[hollow pivot]

The information changes because a reasonable portion of the lore is told by individual devs which is very subject to change as there's not just one writer.

[dusty pier]

Man, by the time this mod is "finished" Imma have grandkids 😭

[raven brook]

The lore thats actually ingame has barely got modifivqtions

There wss like the eol recon

Thats kinda it

Everytging else is just additions

[dusty pier]

So no major changes?

[hollow pivot]

In-game lore is far more stagnant than Discord lore because the devs seem to be more picky with what they put in the game than what they post in the Discord; which makes sense.

[split mortar]

Yeah as i said no major changes in years

[dusty pier]

Since 2022?

[raven brook]

Was that when the rewrite started idrm

[hollow pivot]

What time did Fabsol get removed from the mod?

[dusty pier]

Well thats fair, imma go read that stuff, its actually pretty good(incomplete) lore

[eager bluff]

it was sometime around there

[raven brook]

Last year

[hollow pivot]

2025 was when he got removed?

[eager bluff]

yeah

[raven brook]

Yea

[eager bluff]

25 bullet theory

[raven brook]

22 is when one bullet killed 22 devs

[hollow pivot]

22 birds with one stone.

[eager bluff]

25 is when 25 bullets killed 1 dev

[raven brook]

25 is when a single guy was shot 25 times by 25 different people

[terse moss]

wait it was just last year?

I thought it was like 2023

[thick slate]

its nearly been a year

may 25

[terse moss]

thats crazy

[raven brook]

Yeah it ws pretty recent

[terse moss]

how much of brainstorm has been made since then

[raven brook]

Most ot it was before he left pretty sure

BoC rework was after ik that

[terse moss]

probably DoG too

[raven brook]

Considering most of it was weapon reworks devs made to kill time cuz they didny hsve much else to do on the fabregime, yeah

[hollow pivot]

So there's only been like 0.0.5 updates since Fabsol got removed.

[terse moss]

I was just wondering because I was speculating on what the average update pipeline might look like now. I know a lot of devs said they wanted, shorter, more frequent updates, and obviously nothing is set in stone, but is that like 4 months, 8 months, a year, two? I just wonder how things will end up shaking out

I hope that there can be less dev hell lol

[raven brook]

How horrible.

[languid badge]

this server has ruined my perception of that word in but a few short days

[terse moss]

yeah

[hollow pivot]

Which word?

[terse moss]

Hog update tomorrow or something

[languid badge]

horrible

[terse moss]

Man, that's ... 👀

[split mortar]

Hog

[thick slate]

rider

[terse moss]

There should be a hog mini update

[hollow pivot]

We need a cow mini update.

[terse moss]

Its just the horrible hog and divine swing and old duke resprite and literally nothing else

[thick slate]

cows are not real in calamity

the hogs defeated them

[hollow pivot]

Explain this.

[split mortar]

The hog.

[thick slate]

ai

[terse moss]

Pre-hog

[long bloom]

an old duke update has been said to fundamentally rework the fight, introduce a new miniboss and a questline
not exactly mini i don't think

[terse moss]

You guys should call Old Duke's predictive targeting Prehognition

[long bloom]

[terse moss]

ooh, fun

[split mortar]

The hog

The hog the hog the hog the hog

[terse moss]

I can't be bothered to make this right now, but imagine MUI goku with a poorly photosopped picture of old duke on his face

[hollow pivot]

Nuh uh

[terse moss]

Phase 3?

Dawg I didn't even know he had phases

[thick slate]

have u played the game dude

[hollow pivot]

Signus fight so short bro.

[terse moss]

yeah

signus dies in <30 seconds most of the time

[thick slate]

<30

[terse moss]

he has like 3 health

[thick slate]

heart

[long bloom]

oh i just remembered
ozz posted this in patreon like an hour after triangle spoiled all the old duke plans (likely without knowing he did so)

very funny

[terse moss]

I need one of those incredibly cursed ozz memes

I don't have any at the ready

yeah there we go

[hollow pivot]

What is Ozzatron's PFP from?

[terse moss]

idk honestly

[long bloom]

the main character of control (the game)

jesse i think

[terse moss]

I read that as Jesus and got so confused

[long bloom]

the picture is taken from the steam page

[split mortar]

Scions curio mentioning ozzacoins

[long bloom]

i saw it once and got jumpscared

[pulsar ocean]

Why would I do this

[thick slate]

tteo

[warm gull]

holy sigma, gyattman

was ireland named like

spite land. like ire means spite or hatred etc

was it named like that on purpose or is that a coincidence to do with some other words or wacky translation

[wanton pendant]

Ireland, as in land of the Irish.
Probably misinterpretation of Éire.

Place names in Ireland are just the original name written in English because it was too hard to pronounce.

[worthy sierra]

is auric tesla weaker than pure auric metal

[wanton pendant]

???

Auric Tesla is Auric Metal.

[random mulch]

another dragon on the pile

[worthy sierra]

I'm so confused like is auric armor the player wears is just the same as yharim's own armor

[wanton pendant]

His is upgraded.

[thick slate]

dragons aint really looking too good

[wanton pendant]

And isn't using mock attuned Auric Metal.

[worthy sierra]

The next boss after SCal and exos is yharim himself right?

[random mulch]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Correct.

[worthy sierra]

I hope I'm alive by the turn of the decade to see the yharim update come out!

Wait...

we have four years left in the decade...

Nevermind I'll wait 15 years instead!

[random mulch]

never heard that one before

[mighty zenith]

daring today aren't we

[quasi portal]

Is there any specific reason Ilmeris is named Ilmeris? Speaking in the irl context, is there any story behind the name or is it just because it sounds cool?

[brazen tangle]

why are ravager and agnus separate on this chart

did they retcon ravager being the resurrected corpse of agnus

[cosmic zenith]

@void sapphire

[light linden]

hi stip

[void sapphire]

Give me a bit to type it out.

[brazen tangle]

its infused with draedons exotechnology iirc

[void sapphire]

Ilmeris is named after an ancient lake/ inland sea in the Netherlands called Aelmere or Almere. But since we already had a settlement starting with an A (Azafure) we changed the lettering of it and it became Ilmeris

[cedar path]

Yharims armor is 1. Infused with exotech and 2. Yharim has real attunement to auric which iirc makes it stronger than ours

[quasi portal]

Ooooooh nice

What about Azafure?

[leaden bridge]

azufre

i.e sulphur/brimstone

[quasi portal]

Oh

Sick

[void sapphire]

We didn’t want two settlement names with an A at the beginning

[quasi portal]

That's fair

[brazen tangle]

now i cant help but imagine amidias having a dutch accent lmao

[void sapphire]

Probably gonna speak Frisian…

[cosmic zenith]

Hello

[quasi portal]

For transparency, the reason I asked is because I'm planning to use Calamity as a setting for a TTRPG I'm gonna run with some friends

Cuz I think it's cool

I'll probably be coming here every now and then for that reason if that's alright 🙏

[light linden]

may I ask a question about chrysadia?

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

what food sources did they absolutely not have?

I'd imagine they wouldn't keep cows or grow many tree based fruits

[cosmic zenith]

They did

Not necessarily cows, but livestock for dairy production was definitely a thing

[light linden]

what

well I specified cows for a reason

[glacial rampart]

sky goats

[light linden]

they require a lot of space

[cosmic zenith]

The islands aren't all as tiny as the ones ingame, which definitely wouldn't support a whole civilization

[light linden]

and considering how dumb cows are from my experience

I wouldn't trust them travelling between islands

[cosmic zenith]

I dunno about cows, I haven't gotten to this level of specificity, but probably not...? I was gonna research other animals

[light linden]

You open to suggestions?

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

[light linden]

Chickens

[fleet furnace]

what exactly are onyx kinsmen?

[cosmic zenith]

A clan of Signus/Slime God worshippers

[light linden]

they need a lot less space and/or resources than most livestock and are birds which fits the theming

[fleet furnace]

wait how is signus and slime god connected?

[cosmic zenith]

They are both worshipped....? They don't have any direct connection between them, the Onyx Kinsmen simply worships both for different reasons

[fleet furnace]

oh I see, I simply thought they got a connection since the same fraction worships them

Although is there a reason as to why theyre worshipped by them or is it just coincidence

[cosmic zenith]

Yes, there is a reason

The Kinsmen worship Slime God for its sense of strategy and pursuit of balance
They worship Signus as a mysterious entity which provides boons through bargain

[light linden]

Signus reminds me a lot of Nocturnal from TES

[pulsar ocean]

if i had to worship slime god id kill myself

[wanton pendant]

You're thinking of samurai.

[cosmic zenith]

Slime God is peak wdym

[fleet furnace]

who's samurai?

[wanton pendant]

They were a social class in Japan, similar to knights.

[fleet furnace]

oh in that sense

I thought it was something in calamity

are the items dropped by profaned guardians talking about yharon when mentioning the dragon ?

[wanton pendant]

No.

Unless I'm mistaken in my memory, they should be discussing the Dragon of Flame.

[fleet furnace]

who's that exactly?

is it just a random dragon or are they important to the lore

[wanton pendant]

It was the malevolent dragon Providence and the Guardians slew to achieve divinity.

[fleet furnace]

oh I see

explains why they hate him so much

[sudden barn]

am i mistaken, or the dragon aerie motif is present on "Unholy Insurgency"?

[wanton pendant]

Dragon Aerie Motif?

[sudden barn]

hmm yeah, i don't know if it's the official name, but i've seen it before in a video

it's a 2 year old video, so they might have changed it too

i can send it to you if ur interested

id like to avoid sending links here

[wanton pendant]

Alright then.

[thick slate]

whys that

[sudden barn]

i'm not sure how automod works here

[thick slate]

u can send yt links

[pulsar ocean]

do not fret

[sudden barn]

alright next time i wont be afraid

[long bloom]

yippee

[plucky juniper]

its so funny that ravager is separated from agnus, and as a consequence of the format it implies theres another auric dragon of unknown nature that got succed to form ravager

[random mulch]

well either i'd have to make a third row just for ravager or categorize agnus as a dragon

[wanton pendant]

Like, fifty guys is close enough to a dragon.

[split mortar]

Categorise agnus as a dragon you coward

[random mulch]

is it even clear how the whole god of blood thing even happened

[split mortar]

Ravager was the blood god after being revived

Thats all we know

[thick slate]

actually promoted

he rerolled his god

[random mulch]

maybe the cultists just had jar o' dragon soul lying around idk

[split mortar]

I highly doubt there was an auric soul available that far into the crusade no less, Not even the god era.
Just feels like it goes against stuff calamity set up but cant pinpoint why rn

[cloud ibex]

seemingly the resurrection combined with agnus' domain made it degenerate even further

[split mortar]

Necromancy is known to enshitify things so that tracks

[wanton pendant]

Dragon-in-a-Can.

[cloud ibex]

we know necromancy sucks ass when it comes to actually bringing People back, and Blood feels related enough to Sacrifice that i think it'd be weird if there was inexplicably another dragon involved

[long bloom]

perhaps

[random mulch]

i have a compromise

[long bloom]

whar

[raven brook]

mind dragon got fucking eaten bro

[long bloom]

that's why there's no associated god

[simple tangle]

Isnt ravager two gods or sumn

[long bloom]

whar

[split mortar]

Whar

Ravager is just zombie agnus

[random mulch]

ok for now just this

[plucky juniper]

old lore probably associated with the fact that its current sprite has two skulls

[raven brook]

yeah ik

[simple tangle]

I thought ravager was agnus and some other guy

[plucky juniper]

JUST SAY POINT TO AGNUS

[simple tangle]

Necromancied together

[wanton pendant]

Well, a bunch of guys.

[split mortar]

Like 50 people sacrificed themselves to revive agnus

[long bloom]

why did you remove the white text outline though
it's nearly impossible to read no associated god

[thick slate]

i would

[limpid saddle]

yup they did that

Anyway hi chat its been a while

[random mulch]

happy?

[wanton pendant]

To torture you.

[long bloom]

hii

[split mortar]

Hiii

[wanton pendant]

Hello.

[random mulch]

forgot to add it back and even then i have to redo it every time i change the text

[long bloom]

[plucky juniper]

better 👍

[limpid saddle]

i walked for 5 hours to & back with one of my actors to discover the spot we were going to use for filming was chained up, condemned & now an active construction site

[long bloom]

oh also i wanted to ask why there's a horizontal split

what do it mean

[random mulch]

ok fine i'll say it

any god / dragon we've physically seen is on top

[limpid saddle]

I WILL be failing Moving Image & the rapids of the river will claim my soul

[split mortar]

Whats with the gap between yharon and zeratros

[split mortar]

I see

[long bloom]

hm

[plucky juniper]

give it an image that's jsut agnus's face but the eyes are hastily crossed out

[long bloom]

i thought it was evil/good

[simple tangle]

When does the scavenger come in

[thick slate]

agnuts

[wanton pendant]

SSO.

[split mortar]

Scavengers are sso

[dusk laurel]

scavengers might have the mandate of heaven (not being put into the ideas grinder when sso is actually made by the new team and not just the old pre22 plans)

maybe

idk

they dont seem linked to any of the old plans besides being in one of the subbiomes

one thing i still need tho is desert worldgen being changed by cal to fit in better with their eventual ss plans 🙏

[long bloom]

true

[simple tangle]

The cost keeps sinking

[dusk laurel]

calamity players when they learn sso hasnt been worked on since december (okay being frank there wasnt allat much done especially when most of the team was working for things unrelated to it at all, so not much has changed besides there being an actual goal the devs want to work towards)

[simple tangle]

Also I didnt Even mean to mention SSO i just wanted to make a joke about Green Ravager but I thought its name was Scavenger

[plucky juniper]

grteen

[long bloom]

the sprite was reused from a scrapped miniboss named the scavenger

so yeah

[long bloom]

peak

[simple tangle]

Oh peak

[plucky juniper]

peak

only thing it needs is the color aroudn agnus's slot to make his... erm, lineage towards ravager more clear

[simple tangle]

Calamity mod if they had added Super Corruptor:

[random mulch]

guess i'll just leave it like this for now

[hollow pivot]

Are Providence's eyes the things in green or the things in red?

[random mulch]

red

[feral skiff]

red

[hollow pivot]

I always thought the green was Providence's eyes.

That explains why the sprite always looked so goofy to me.

[random mulch]

her eyes are on her head, what you thought was the eyes are just gaps in the neck(?) armor

[hollow pivot]

I never saw that as a band around her neck so it looked like this was all head.

[simple tangle]

nose

[icy veldt]

If it's a nose, then where are the nostrils?

[hollow pivot]

The nostrils might be the cracks in the stone.

Was Yharim ever driven insane by Agnus' 3rd eye?

[wanton pendant]

No.

He was insane long before their encounter.

[split mortar]

Yharims already delusional

[hollow pivot]

Can't break what's already broken ahh.

[random mulch]

byeah this is her actual head

[wanton pendant]

Crazy ears.

[hollow pivot]

Why do the gods have odd numbers of eyes?

[random mulch]

providence has 2

and so does silva

[hollow pivot]

Then what is this?

[random mulch]

idunno some weird lil extra bit

[hollow pivot]

Silva is an elemental though and a perfect ascension.

[random mulch]

still a god

[hollow pivot]

Perhaps Perfect Ascensions give you an even number of eyes?

[random mulch]

really specific thing

[hollow pivot]

🤷‍♂️

[young socket]

just a random hole

[hollow pivot]

We'll see if Xeroc has 2 eyes when we see his post-ascension form in like 50 years.

[young socket]

provi has a lot of exposed area

[split mortar]

For the gods we do know the eyes of
Gods change based on how much they let their godhood define them iirc, extra or less eyes is probably one of the first symptoms of ones humanity being different due to thematic reasons n stuff

[hollow pivot]

Wait is that sprite not out of date anyways?

[split mortar]

Unlikely she gets a resprite due to hell torture iirc

[random mulch]

it's old but it's acceptable

[young socket]

there are no concrete plans to resprite her so

[random mulch]

(unlike a certain dragon)

[young socket]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow pivot]

But what are the roots?

[hollow pivot]

Roots are usually alive so it doesn't really fit the theme of Providence.

[upper warren]

Is their a limit on what can and cannot be a domain? (Domain of human, domain of defecation, domain of time, etc)

[random mulch]

again, providence's sprite is old

like, really old

way before the rewrite

[split mortar]

Dragons seem much more
Of the planets stuff
Meanwhile a god can be as fundamental as emptiness

[upper warren]

So can there be a space/time god?

[split mortar]

Shakidou before being retconned into the emptiness god was the space god

[hollow pivot]

I think having a time god would kinda kill stakes.

[split mortar]

Space as in distance and geometry

[dusk laurel]

preferrably shed be resprited but that depends entirerly if the artists would want to dedicate time respriting her, and at that point she might as well be redesigned

[mighty zenith]

you just gotta out-bullshit the time manipulation

[split mortar]

But yeah if there is a rule i imagine no time domain or atleast heavy restrictions

[upper warren]

That’s part of why I ask

[random mulch]

yharim refuses to acknowledge a god that broken, and thus he is unaffected

[upper warren]

Seems like some domains can just be incredibly op and their don’t seem to be many restrictions on what can and cannot be a domain

[split mortar]

Well ig the restriction for gods is they have to be related to a dragons domain
So time probably not happening since the night dragon and effectively day dragon got used up

[wanton pendant]

Space/Time/Gravity are basically banned due to being a nightmare to balance.

Beyond that I think it just has to be something that can be found on Terraria.

[hollow pivot]

I think gravity is some-what managable unlike time travel.

[wanton pendant]

Bad news, Gravity, Time and Space are all the same thing technically.

[split mortar]

I thought that rule only applies for dragons?

[hollow pivot]

I mean to a degree.

[random mulch]

space and time are one thing and gravity is merely it bending, which is why time dilation occurs in a gravitational field

[hollow pivot]

But I think if they do gravity it would be closer to just putting tons of weight on people at will.

[agile matrix]

theres a lot of gods that woulda lost the stakes

[random mulch]

would still be pretty busted

[split mortar]

Such as?

[tropic oak]

the gods

[random mulch]

either they can barely move or get reduced to red sludge

[agile matrix]

God Of The Sun methinks

[raven brook]

I think devs said thery don't wanna do time powers cuz theyre messy to wrok with but dont quote me on that

[split mortar]

Makes your blood flood to your legs due to gravity for free

[raven brook]

the humble xeroc

[hollow pivot]

But why put weight on people when you can just obliterate them with the full concentrated power of the sun?

[agile matrix]

thats my point

[split mortar]

Theres stakes with noxus

[raven brook]

u can have a character with timer powers and it can still have stakes

but devs just dontw anna work with time powers

again, afaik

dont quote me on that

[agile matrix]

"oh yeah he's threatened if Satan From The Bible shows up"

[raven brook]

they can be easily convoluted and messy if not handled well

[hollow pivot]

Time Travel is a nightmare to make without creating the most specific and insane thing ever.

[random mulch]

too busy watching for world ending threats

[split mortar]

God of time traps yharim in the adventure time magic man time bubble thing

[upper warren]

So I suppose there isn’t an in universe lore reason for time domains absence. It just kinda never happened?

[hollow pivot]

god of Time gods back in Time to the first thanksgiving to absorb the world soul.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[raven brook]

Yeah i suppose so

I mean,

[wanton pendant]

Like, there were only like, a few thousand dragons probably.

Can't have literally every single concept in that few.

[raven brook]

Not like we have a domain for everything ever, anyhow

yeah

[random mulch]

what auric soul would even turn into time

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Wine.

[upper warren]

Is it confirmed to be thousand? I thought like maybe a couple dozen to a hundred

[split mortar]

Night or primordial light imo
Since day and night are time related
And both are used up

[split mortar]

Its the most commonly went with number iirc

[wanton pendant]

Previous head writer wrote with 3000 in mind.

[raven brook]

I don't think there really is a confirmed set number cuz thats a very specific detail that wouldnt amount to much, knowing it or not

[wanton pendant]

If there were only a couple dozen, the Crusade would have been very short.

[raven brook]

But there weres omewhere in the thousands

There was a entire civilization and society of em after all

[hollow pivot]

I think certain things just aren't part of Terraria's world soul because they need to be universal things.

[hollow pivot]

I also thought there were 10-100 auric souls at first.

[split mortar]

Or just the world soul isnt grand enough to latch onto such fundamental forces

[hollow pivot]

Nah there's 3,000 auric dragons half of which were killed by Fovos.

[wanton pendant]

If there were only ten, then Yharim did a terrible job at killing them.

[hollow pivot]

All but 1 of the 1,500 left were absorbed by gods.

[raven brook]

ik a fellow roydev thought there were only around 10 auric dragons too and they were like a knight of the round table type thing where its a small order tather than a whole ass society

[wanton pendant]

That's speculation.

[raven brook]

he discovered there was a whole ass deagon civilization in vc

it was funny

[split mortar]

Lmao

[wanton pendant]

We don't know exactly how many were killed by Moon Lord in a way that prevented ascension.

[dusk laurel]

is this your way of advertising roy today...

[hollow pivot]

It's just math because we know there are about 3,000 Auric Dragons, half are killed by Fovos rest are used to ascend excluding Yharon the only dragon left.

[raven brook]

cant even mention roy anymore and people accuse me of shilling

this is my tragedy

im cheese gaming

[wanton pendant]

That's right, Reign Of Yharim, only 9.99 Yharimbucks.

[upper warren]

Emptiness seems very fundamental

[hollow pivot]

Wait is half the dragons being killed by Fovos not true?

[wanton pendant]

We don't know if it's exactly half.

And we do know that dragons used to power Fovos' army can at least sometimes still be used to ascend.

(Life, Primordial Light, Storms.)

[split mortar]

Emptiness is a step below spacetime imo

[raven brook]

We don't know if it was exactly half nor do we know exactly how many dragons there were

As i said prior

such specific details r rather pointless to know

[upper warren]

Sure, but it’s not definitely not just an earth thing

[young socket]

hmmm

[raven brook]

We know there were alot of dragons, enough for there to be a entire civilization, around the thousands

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord could have killed like, 75% but only 20% couldn't be salvaged, for instance. We don't know exactly how the fight went down, only that it was a very close victory for the dragons.

[raven brook]

and they were massacred by fovos, leaving around half

[young socket]

i wonder how much auric one auric soul could mock attune with

[split mortar]

Barely anything is just a terraria thing? Theres life on other planets and also fire or tides

[raven brook]

I think

its not about it being exclusive to terraria

its about it being a part of it

Cuz its the World Soul

[dusk laurel]

i remember hearing that its su- yeah

things that are important to terraria

[raven brook]

the auric domains are just (derived from) fragments of the world soul, so it makes sense theyre all things from, yk, the world

xeroc, despite being effectively being the sun god

has the domain of basically sunlight

not domain of the sun

which,

if you consider sunlight reaches terraria but the sun itself is Out There

[young socket]

if it required exclusivitythe life domain wouldnt exist cuz theres 3 other extraterrestrial habitats

[raven brook]

yeah

[young socket]

[raven brook]

martians, astrum deus

[wanton pendant]

Distortion.

[raven brook]

you could argue the distortion also counts

[dusk laurel]

elements/weather events, the life cycle, light, etc.

oh and theres gluttony too yk you gotta eat just ask melon gun

[raven brook]

and i imagine theres probably more life out there too

[split mortar]

It does its part of the universe just fucked up

[raven brook]

surely astrum dei aren't, the only space fauna

[raven brook]

yeah but i think you could kinda argue it still counts as part of terraria but we dont rly know enough abt it atm to say for sure

[upper warren]

Is the distortion just a far away place or another dimension?

[raven brook]

It's

[dusk laurel]

in the middle

[raven brook]

It's!

[wanton pendant]

Broken spacetime...

[raven brook]

It's.

[dusk laurel]

its not actually a different dimension but its somewhere

[young socket]

its described as fractured spacetime so do with that as you will

[dusk laurel]

and you cant reach it by normal means

[split mortar]

Its a fissure in spacetime eating energy from the universe iirc the ml bestiary correct

[raven brook]

It's definitely some sort of parallel realm and not as simple as just a physical place thats far away but its also not really a fully separate dimension probably ?

yeah

we probably wont really know much in regards to its details

until its. real

[wanton pendant]

That's where they put Phantom Ganon.

[split mortar]

Walking there doesnt work due to fucked up spacetime shenanigans but its still an extension of the universe

Hell we dont know if the distortion is just a cosmologically local thing only affecting this planet system or like
universe cancer

[raven brook]

the distortion sure is

[young socket]

reference.

[raven brook]

its one of the things

of all time

[long bloom]

are there even other solar systems or galaxies

[split mortar]

Whar

[raven brook]

i dont see why there wouldnt

probably

[split mortar]

No need to name our planet system as a planet system when its the only thing

[raven brook]

Like there'ws no reason to go into it cuz we're not leaving terraria

[long bloom]

draedon space log?

[raven brook]

but theres no reason they wouldn't exist either

[upper warren]

I assume they work very different from what we might think due to stars being tiny

[raven brook]

Tbf it varies

[split mortar]

Never read those, draetalk calls it planet system

[long bloom]

you'd need more suns

[long bloom]

ic

[raven brook]

Fallen stars are tiny

But no reason there couldnt be bigger mana stars

Or things like the sun

Just because we haven't seen them dosen't mean they don't exist

[split mortar]

Astral meteor is like house sized

[upper warren]

Can stars in calamity get as big as irl stars?

[raven brook]

Yeah theres that too

[long bloom]

embers establishes there are providence sized stars

[raven brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[long bloom]

probably not

[upper warren]

I know they get big but I don’t know

[raven brook]

I doubt its a detail taht will ever get explored

cuz its entirely irrelevant

But like,

[split mortar]

I highly doubt it
The astral seems to be an extra bloated one so is prob the upper limit

[raven brook]

no reason why you cant speculate otherwise

[long bloom]

@split mortar

[raven brook]

we see tiny fallen stars but nothings saying there can be bigger stars out there

[dusk laurel]

sometimes things can be overexplained

[raven brook]

They can still be made of mana, or theyt can be more unique like the pl sun

[split mortar]

Yeah that tracks with astral as the upper limit…

[raven brook]

use your 💖 imagination 💖

[leaden bridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259989285730390066/1475268488099791042/SPOILER_IbanSpelunkerScarab50ms.gif

calamity star lore

i forgot theeres no embeds that sucks

[raven brook]

does naything say theyre the upper limit

[leaden bridge]

luckily i have yhadrill instead

[wanton pendant]

There could also be evil things in space, like the moon.

[long bloom]

providence is significantly bigger than the astral meteor

[raven brook]

i feel like you guys are just assuming too much

like

this is waht we see ingame

so its all there is

when like,

[young socket]

its like a soft limit

[raven brook]

it ssimply isnt something that we see bc it dosent need to be explored

[raven brook]

theres no reason to go in the indepth intricacies of space

cuz its not relevant to this story or the worldbuilding which is mostly abt terraria itself

[raven brook]

where is this said though

[young socket]

technically you can make a star bigger but natural stars absorb all their surrounding mana at a certai n point

and just

[raven brook]

where is this said though ,

[young socket]

become astral since its the only thing left to absorb is itself

draetalk

[split mortar]

Its said they are bloated and p sure bloat results in being bigger
Draetalk of astral i think

[raven brook]

Yeah bloated stars r bigger but that can just be a smaller star that got bloated, much like ingame fallen stars

[young socket]

he says with nothing left to blah blah astral shenanigans

[raven brook]

adn even if ur not accounting for smaller fallen stars again,

shit like the sun exists

which functions effectively much like the irl sun still its just made of fancy magic light

rather than idk helium or whatever

there is no reason why similar things couldnt exist

elsewhere

[wanton pendant]

Plot twist: Primodial Light is just Helium, somehow.

And Xeroc has a really squeaky voice.

[raven brook]

xeroc the god of hydrogen propane dioxide

[wanton pendant]

Party Girl is his one and only priestess.

[hollow pivot]

That's why Xeroc never loses a fight, he makes people laugh so hard they die.

Who's the god of Carbon Monoxide?

[dusk laurel]

torch god

[hollow pivot]

Oh wait yeah that is the Torch god.

[icy veldt]

But could there be a god of thyme?

[upper warren]

Not cannon I don’t think

[wanton pendant]

Providence's cousin, Coughidence.

[dusk laurel]

wwg is not in the inner circle