lore-discussion

[hard steeple]

Well more like just

Got KO'd and they had a little like rest period where the furry found pieces then helped fixing up the robot's injuries since uhh

[terse moss]

Mending is so goated for non biological characters

If they have something equivalent

[hard steeple]

She's not a caster so she couldn't use mending but she had goated crafting skills

I need to find a way to play with my other pathfinder group again i need to make more mentally ill women spellcaster pcs

[terse moss]

My entire campaign has just been this lol

[terse moss]

TRUE

mentally ill women spellcaster NPCs are fire

*PCs

[hard steeple]

My first pathfinder PC was a wizard noble that ended up lost and had to join a band of pirates (the party)

[terse moss]

Imagine you are doing broadsides and you just hear “I CAST THUNDERBOLT” and the ship explodes

And it’s jus some scraggly little dude

[hard steeple]

So of course she was a easy target to banter, and since she's completely sheltered and like the most squeamish coward imaginable I had her have a spell specifically to walk on water so she wouldn't need to get her shoes wet

[hard steeple]

She could do so much funnier

We never got into ship combat sadly but

[terse moss]

Shape water shenanigans

My beloved

[hard steeple]

We got into enough dungeons and I almost died like

Wayyy too many times

[terse moss]

I had a one armed gunslinger warlock in an eldritch winter campaign that used shape water and telekenisis to move stuff

It was so fun

[hard steeple]

That I just had my PC start to completely lose it

Just the chance between "I know you're traumatized by the drow but it'd be mean to assume they're all bad 🥺" to "IF ALL THE BASTARDS ARENT LAYING DEAD IM NOT LEAVING THIS PLACE"

[hard steeple]

PEAK

[terse moss]

Fire character development

So many people forget that regression can be development if done well

[hard steeple]

I play her kinda very recklessly, at first. I was gonna have her diverge into a monk/wizard weird combo

Where she'd just start punching people but it was wayyy too ridiculous

[terse moss]

The Satan character from my campaign is attempting to bring together a bunch of powerful artifacts to reset the universe to before the war but without god to save the life of his daughter

[hard steeple]

Oh yeah it gets worse

[terse moss]

He is objectively insane

But it’s like cool

[terse moss]

That could be goated

Jjk a$$ character lol

[hard steeple]

She goes from like stereotypical little weak princess to fed up angry paranoid girl to way too dependent on essentially an aasimar that one day disappeared to a religious fanatic over the first deity to give her any answer

[terse moss]

I think the idea of a god having just one little goober that they protect at all times because it’s their goober is adorable

Someone robs them and they get atomized

[hard steeple]

Ah dependent on the level where she endangered the entire party by jumping headfirst into a drow portal to try to save that aasimar, when the enemies KNEW she'd be a valuable target

[hard steeple]

I usually end up making characters that falls into that in my ttrpgs

[terse moss]

Just a little guy

[hard steeple]

Except if they could, my party would've put an ankle monitor on my wizard

They already like banished her to a room and kinda kept her on watch 24/7 since, both for her sake and theirs

[hard steeple]

Banished her to a room while on the ship*

[terse moss]

Ain’t no way she got put on house arrest

That’s crazy

[hard steeple]

Oh the wildest thing is

One time she just wandered off on her own to talk to someone

Because she was curious, it was another mage

[terse moss]

Sounds like the character in my campaign who caused the 4 city blocks to be leveled

3000 civilians dead

[hard steeple]

And the moment they discovered she wasn't there they fucking RAN and tackled her 😭

[terse moss]

Fair lol

[hard steeple]

Yeah that's why she can't be trusted alone, that kind of gremlin

[terse moss]

The Dragonborn sorcerer chasing her was flying, and she ran into the were system of a city of 15 million. A sewer system full of methane gas. Against a fire mage

I think you can see where this is going

[hard steeple]

My lancer girl was just insane. She had a all-pink mech, pink hair, revelled in the art of violence during war, laughed maniacally (very fun to do) over tiny stuff and overall just was overly eager to fight

I had a dnd character that was an eldritch Knight, she was normal but lasted 3 sessions before it stopped :(

[terse moss]

Like tinkaton but also like Rebecca from cyberpunk

[terse moss]

No normal characters allowed apparently

[hard steeple]

Oh I mean ofc there's my cleric too, but she's just an egomaniac and very self-centered

[hard steeple]

Sorta yeah!

[hard steeple]

Its more fun that way

[terse moss]

I just fundamentally think that mentally stable people with material attachments wouldn’t become adventurers

It’s not a fun or lighthearted job

[hard steeple]

I'm not as good with more calm normal ones

[terse moss]

You are going to suffer and die and might come back stronger if you are smart and lucky

Since we are in the lore channel, I think an adequate tie in would be Yharim. No sane person would do any of that

[hard steeple]

I think I'm pretty good with anxious cowards because I am an anxious coward and I speak like an anxious coward

[terse moss]

I feel that lol

[hard steeple]

Yeahh

[terse moss]

Anxiety medications are a modern wonder

[hard steeple]

In comparison the kind of gremlins I like to play in tabletops are either just balls of anxiety or people like calamitas level of issues

[terse moss]

I prefer the latter, personally

Or have you played E33?

[hard steeple]

Calamitas would make a great inspiration actually

[hard steeple]

Not yet

[terse moss]

I based an NPC off of her

[terse moss]

It’s so good

I took a lot of inspiration from that games story

[hard steeple]

I might base my next PC after her, maybe focus more on the child soldier mass murderer aspect but alter it

I think something new and interesting would be either having a PC that is reclusive, paranoid and kind of gives the vibes of a constantly hissing cat or someone that appears very mellow and chill and calm simply cause they're faking it until they're making it

[agile matrix]

i was botta ask why arent you orange but i dont think you're the same laura

[long bloom]

she is not

[terse moss]

I made an NPC with a similar storyline, and the uber simplified version is that she was born with a curse that caused her mother to die during childbirth and stuff she touched to get set on fire. She was treated as a social reject and as a demon child, wearing cuffs bolted through her wrists to stop her from burning stuff, and her father was conservative since it was a rural, like pre industrial area, and tried to beat the demons out of her. She started going to the woods and there was another kid who was nice to her and they got along, but the villagers found out and strung him up so she burned the village down and joined Satan in his war against the gods

Which is a very quick escalation

But if I gave the 11 page backstory it would make more sense lol

[hard steeple]

Oh wait there's another?

[long bloom]

yeah, roxy

[hard steeple]

The plans for world domination are going well.......

[agile matrix]

theres a dev here who has a headmate named Laura

[hard steeple]

The lauras will take over

[terse moss]

They are multiplying

[hard steeple]

Ohh

[terse moss]

We gotta contain them to the lore chat

[hard steeple]

Sealed away 😔

[terse moss]

Yeah bro is getting put in the hollow knight

[hard steeple]

I'm unfortunately nobody with a cool status I'm just a silly girl that randomly chats around

[terse moss]

How does one get the blue name

I see it somewhat randomly sprinkled around

[hard steeple]

Afaik it's just

[long bloom]

blue names can put people up to a vote by the other blue names

[hard steeple]

Higher powers™ deems you cool

[long bloom]

yeah

[terse moss]

Oh that’s funny

[long bloom]

you pass the vibe check basically

[terse moss]

You get chosen by “the council” (tm)

[hard steeple]

The secret circle....

[hard steeple]

Yeah and then you get to choose others for the council or smth

[terse moss]

I can’t believe there are class distinctions in my calamity server 😔

[long bloom]

there hasn't been a vote in months btw

[terse moss]

Nah you guys are kicking the ladder down behind you

[hard steeple]

"Stratification in MY calamity server??? More likely than you think!"

[terse moss]

lol

Me realizing no blue name

[long bloom]

i legitimately never thought i'd get one

[hard steeple]

If you shift your screen color enough it'll be blue

[long bloom]

i was under the impression most people just tolerated me

[terse moss]

I only started hanging out here post 2.1 and immediately started a several hour argument about class divides in terraria and whether they are good from a design perspective

Not a great first showing I fear

[long bloom]

what side were you on

[hard steeple]

I'm already starting to recognise usernames around, granted I'm pretty much entirely not thinking about stuff like that

[terse moss]

I just like hanging out in lore and help advice because I have one morbillion hours

[long bloom]

true

[hard steeple]

anything but ranger or mage is evil

[terse moss]

I said more distinct classes because it allows for more tailored accessories and armors that better accentuate the parts of the class that people like

[hard steeple]

I kinda just appear in every channel at a random interval

[terse moss]

Rather than making a melee gun, just make a melee weapon

[hard steeple]

Well, less so every channel but

[terse moss]

That way there can be a consistent design philosophy

[hard steeple]

Mod talk, update talk, here & the generals™

[long bloom]

i agree probably

[terse moss]

Same

My cat stole my seat again

This is tragic

[hard steeple]

And specifically make the true night edge projectiles not follow the player's y axis

[terse moss]

Car

She is glaring at me with hatred and malice

I haven’t fed her like 8 times today

[long bloom]

evil

[terse moss]

I am a sinner

Now she is asleep

Bruh

I have homework to do

[hard steeple]

Oh crap my phone is at 15% 😭

and it is 3am

[long bloom]

sleeb

[terse moss]

It is 3 am

Thankfully I stay up until 5

Because I am nocturnal

[long bloom]

nuh uh it's midnight

[terse moss]

🤨

Nah if I don’t live there it’s not true

Wait does that mean you are west coast?

[long bloom]

my perception of reality is the only objectively correct one

[terse moss]

True

[long bloom]

yeah

[terse moss]

But for me

[long bloom]

(arizona )

[terse moss]

How hot is it there

[long bloom]

too

[terse moss]

Fair

[long bloom]

too hot

[terse moss]

It’s 40 degrees here today

Was 80 yesterday

[hard steeple]

Is the environment just the yharon fight atmosphere

[long bloom]

yeah

today was actually kinda reasonable

but not for long

[hard steeple]

Including big pillars of lava I assume

[long bloom]

thankfully i don't go outside

[hard steeple]

The weather was a banger here up in the hyper super North

[terse moss]

I would make an excellent vampire. I sleep all day, and awake during the night, and only go outside sometimes when I am walking to class

I could bring an umbrella

[hard steeple]

There was like a hailstorm then weird super powdery snow

[long bloom]

minnesota or michigan

calling it

[hard steeple]

I only went outside cause I was coming back home from my friend's place

[hard steeple]

Canadian, even further up

[long bloom]

damn

[hard steeple]

It was a really funny day because I overslept then just sort of was stuck in place because of circumstances beyond my control (woman laying like halfway on me 😭) then I had to move a lot of stuff around and almost passed out every time I got up from a seat and made my way home just exhausted after the weather got a little unruly

[terse moss]

Yo how you got a whole person laying on you and not notice

[hard steeple]

Oh I noticed its just that like

Oh suddenly that's how things are

[terse moss]

Idk, I get antsy if people are too close to me so I just shimmy away

I much prefer personal space

[hard steeple]

I'm a fan of pressure applied on me, like weighted blankets for example

[terse moss]

Nah I'm too claustrophobic for all that

[hard steeple]

It was kind of funny since after just deciding that she'd lay there she watched tiktoks until I decided to put my glasses on and also watch 🔥

[long bloom]

who even was it

[hard steeple]

My friend

[long bloom]

i see

[hard steeple]

That I was staying over at for a couple of days

[hard steeple]

Okay to be more precise I also dated her likeee 2-3 years ago?

I may be a living stereotype but the bulk of my social circle are just exes 😭

[long bloom]

lo

[terse moss]

As long as its not awkward I don't see an issue

[hard steeple]

Oh yeah it's all good

Like it's been so long too that it's easy to kind of not forget but like not think about it

And today was comfy so it's okay

[terse moss]

Many people I know were not so lucky lol

Thankfully I have avoided any drama myself

[long bloom]

solution: never have friends (me)

[hard steeple]

Oh yeah that's very true

[terse moss]

I just sit on the side of the road and am there when the car crash inevitably happens

[hard steeple]

Hey to be fair that social circle is like

2 people

I don't exactly know a lot of people either

[long bloom]

social triangle

[terse moss]

I just know a lot of people from band and astro research

turns out you have to get to know people when you spend 10 weeks in a computer lab in a basement

Turns out all research and science is gambling

kinda

Its a funny oversimplification

[hard steeple]

I know very talented people who are for some reason intrigued by my lack of speciality skills

[terse moss]

This just occured to me. Isn't it crazy that, with the dawn of the internet, you could talk to someone for hours without ever meeting them, seeing their face, or ever speaking to them again after that for the rest of your life

like thats such a wild concept

like its not but it kinda is

[hard steeple]

It really is

Its a lifesaver though

[terse moss]

True

Many of my friends are getting into relationships or are busy more with college so I gotta talk to mroe people at my college or band or who do things that I enjoy doing

[hard steeple]

Considering I'm in the middle of nowhere in rural old people city

[terse moss]

No I feel that

my town has 2000 people

[simple tangle]

hii

[terse moss]

Bonjour

We were totally absolutely talking about lore for sure

[hard steeple]

Mine has higher but its mostly just nobody I can really talk to

Oh yeah true

[simple tangle]

why talk abt lore

channels are fake

[terse moss]

True

it was mostly dnd

and I am still doing this philosophy homework because I keep procrastinating

[hard steeple]

Dnd and then a little detour into gay lane then into talking about friends

[long bloom]

i'm turbo procrastinating my minecraft mod

java is such glorpshit man

[terse moss]

I hate coding so much

[long bloom]

i'm gonna send notch a box of live wasps

[terse moss]

I know a little python, a little mathematica, and a little linux, but not enough to be good at any

[terse moss]

I think I am the only person I know who isn't gay

like in my friend group

bar like one

[hard steeple]

Checks out

Linux & python

[hard steeple]

TRUE

[simple tangle]

thoughts on bunnies

[terse moss]

Coding is just bargaining with the machine that hates you

[pulsar ocean]

Did you come up with a name

[terse moss]

irl or terraria

[hard steeple]

I'm procrastinating uhhh charging my phone and sleeping

[hard steeple]

Hell yeah

[long bloom]

yeah but i don't wanna reveal it until i get a modrinth page up

[simple tangle]

mhm mhm

[terse moss]

Which one

[pulsar ocean]

Tasty

[terse moss]

I have different opinions

[simple tangle]

bnuy

[terse moss]

Does everyone who plays calamity play ultrakill?

i feel like that venn diagram is a circle

[long bloom]

not me

until last week

i am now a fan

[terse moss]

Fraud is so hard

I played it before the update

[long bloom]

same

[simple tangle]

fraud is fun

[pulsar ocean]

Is it roots

[hard steeple]

Not me until uhh never probably 😭

[terse moss]

I am so bad at the game

[simple tangle]

i rly wanna get better at ultrakill

[terse moss]

I have dragged V1 through the game kicking and screaming

some of my level times exceed and hour

[long bloom]

i can't even p rank 2-1

[simple tangle]

my ass sucks against v2

[hard steeple]

The game isn't catching my interest at all but I don't dislike it either

[terse moss]

I am so unbelievably bad at shooters

[long bloom]

ok i'm not that bad

[terse moss]

I just run like 30 attempts until I get lucky

[terse moss]

i got lost in 8-2

had to look up a guide lol

[pulsar ocean]

I did not play fraud ultrakill has been ultra boring after the p-2 update

[simple tangle]

?

[terse moss]

I really really liked violence

violence was such a good layer

[long bloom]

TRUE

[pulsar ocean]

I just do not have the passion for the game anymore

[long bloom]

it's my favorite

7-2 💚

fuck 7-1 tho

i get so lost

[terse moss]

Suffering leaves suffering leaves is actually the best title for anything ever

Its so good

[long bloom]

where was that

[simple tangle]

7-3

song name atleast

[long bloom]

oh the song

yeah idk the song names

[terse moss]

I know like half of them

I listen to the ost a lot

at least a lot of act 2 and violence

[crystal pendant]

Agree

[plush trellis]

i kinda wonder why the player didn't cause anything similar to the corruption/crimson like yharim did after beating gods such as providence, DoG, since yharim caused both evils due to failure to properly dispose of god essence

[split mortar]

You p cool

[cloud ibex]

Takes time

Also the evil biomes and hallow were each more than just one god

[plush trellis]

i see.

[long bloom]

yeah there were a bunch

also dog is very much not a god

[plush trellis]

oh

[long bloom]

if he was even associated with gods yharim would've killed him by now

[plush trellis]

i got misled ig cuz of the a god does not fear death message ig

[long bloom]

yeah that message sucks

[cloud ibex]

That’s just cause he’s an asshole

[split mortar]

We had a roxy and a laura in lore chat damn the reblings are breaking free

[split mortar]

The guy is a massive egotistical prick

[hollow pivot]

Dog is a strong worm that gets super powers from Noxus.

[plush trellis]

Whos noxus?

I haven't heard of him before

[long bloom]

super powerful distortion entity

it created ceaseless void

and is dog's boss

[plush trellis]

I see

[long bloom]

it's never mentioned in game but it does exist

[hollow pivot]

Noxus is never mentioned by name in-game but he's the second strongest living being in Calamity and most of the Distortion is a hive mind controlled by him.

[hollow pivot]

This is actually the limits of our knowledge for now. The only other stuff we know is funky powerscaling.

[long bloom]

also note that signus is seeming immune to the hivemind

and storm weaver escaped it somehow

[hollow pivot]

Signus is just too smart bro.

[long bloom]

true

[hollow pivot]

That's probably why Dog hates Storm Weaver so much, it's because Noxus doesn't like him and that's prolly decupled by Dog because he just like that.

[long bloom]

there's probably more to it i feel

but idk what

[split mortar]

Cheeses theory of weaver having the same essence eating powers as dog but without a noxus to take it can cause issues if it starts eating god essence:

[hollow pivot]

Being able to feed Storm Weaver souls and re-fight it would be cool.

[scenic olive]

feeding it soul of night

also is golem lore still relevant to the entire calamity lore

[split mortar]

Its an idol made by the lihzahrds after their original god left

[waxen summit]

okay so which one is stronger lore wise noxus or xeroc

[split mortar]

Xeroc is number 1
Noxus is number 3

[pastel bay]

Hey lore chat, what part of the Old Lore did you enjoy, for any particular reason?

It can be something really stupid i just wanna know if there's anything that still sticks with you from back then

[split mortar]

I liked what bloodmoons were the idea is pretty cool
Being that its caused by xeroc looking at the planet or smth

[cloud ibex]

Thank you for the input the mold chimera

[heavy zenith]

I remember a talk at some point that the Sun was no bigger than the moon, is this still the case?

[split mortar]

The sun is bigger then the moon but not by much since an eclipse can happen but still orbit the planet

[heavy zenith]

Thx

[crude musk]

Why can't we just spray astrum deus with a clentaminator and end the fight prematurely

[pulsar ocean]

yharim table slam shouldve stayed canon

[cloud ibex]

Probably cause that would be very anticlimactic

[crude musk]

No but from a lore standpoint

[pulsar ocean]

the terrarian is stupid

[crude musk]

No the terrarian is me and I wanna clentaminate astrum deus

[split mortar]

You are stupid

[cloud ibex]

Maybe it doesn’t work instantly and you have to give it some time to work in-universe

[crude musk]

Yes, but I also have the ability to clentaminate stuff

[robust osprey]

you cant clentaminate any enemt why would only astrum deus be clentaminable

[pastel bay]

Clemtaminator doesnt effect slimes

[azure tartan]

What the fuck why

That’s so mean

[pastel bay]

So by that logic it definitely wouldn't work on a machine

[crude musk]

Yeah probably that's the explanation

[robust osprey]

deus isnt a machine

[cloud ibex]

If calamity wasn’t terraria I could definitely see deus becoming kind of a puzzle boss where you don’t fight it directly but instead use the clentaminator on it to whittle the infection down

[pulsar ocean]

if only there was some kind of game adapting calamity mod and its story into something on its own

[crude musk]

If calamity wasn't terraria we'd have actual structures

[cloud ibex]

@raven brook this is your moment

[crude musk]

I wonder how cal will implement them given that the in game world is heavily miniaturized

[robust osprey]

I dont think its miniaturized that much you just play in a 2d plane of a theoretically 3d world

[crude musk]

I mean the desert is usually pretty small and it was a whole ass sea

The only big biome is the jungle

[split mortar]

Reign

Of

Yharim

[robust osprey]

one day, the yharim will finally reign these lands

[pulsar ocean]

calamity otherworld

[crude musk]

Yharim's reign shook the entire world

[dusk laurel]

thats like a big goal for future updates 😭

redoing worldgen which includes adding structures

[thick slate]

minecraft village ?

[crude musk]

Yeah but will they make the world bigger?

[crude musk]

minecraft village (evil)

[dusk laurel]

nope

[raven brook]

this is so sad i was asleep

[cloud ibex]

fucked up

[light linden]

I think that could be done

[dense lynx]

What is the weakest Calamity boss that can beat Homelander?

[split mortar]

iirc the conclusion from a while ago was wof or qs

[dense lynx]

Then what is strongest Marvel Hero that swcal can beat?

[split mortar]

Idk

[young socket]

scarlet witch because theyre both red witches and theyll talk it out obviously

[manic coral]

i mean if you wanted to gauge that you'd have to be a lot more specific considering everything that encompasses

though im also not the right person for that anyways

there's dozens if not hudnreds of entirely seperate continuities in different forms of media with different plots and different logic

you might as well jsut be asking "what's the strongest character in a story that exists that calamitas could beat"

[gritty summit]

So,if Calamitas went rogue before the events of the game,why does she answer your summons? Why does she fight you at all?

Enemy of my enemy and all that.

[long bloom]

she jumps you bc she thinks you're yharim 2

but realizes you're not

[raven brook]

Keep in mind boss summons generally are not diagetic

With few exceptions

Plans to add more lore-accurate and immersive boss summons in the future exist

[gritty summit]

So,Calamitas tries to ambush your ass post-Providence?

[raven brook]

No, she ambushes your ass at the point of the game you're meant to fight her in

[long bloom]

which is technically after providence

just not right after

[gritty summit]

When you kill Providence is when the game recognizes you as rapidly beginning to approach Yharim's power. Since,you know. The Polterghast literally mistakes you for him.

[long bloom]

ok but calamitas jumps you post yharon

[simple tangle]

Calamitas vs bunny

[gritty summit]

I imagine it'd be ashed.

[simple tangle]

:(

Bunnies r special

[split mortar]

Polter acknowledges you post ml

[crimson junco]

bro just getting jumped again and again

[gritty summit]

For some reason,I imagine Calamitas opening up with a massive attack,and THEN conjuring the Thunderdome.

[long bloom]

true

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/caine-dark-stare-the-amazing-digital-circus-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-gif-4339039850566473281

[gritty summit]

Dafuq?

[wanton pendant]

If we go by traumascaling, Scarlet Witch still wins.

[icy veldt]

That's not where eyes go

[simple tangle]

Bunny

[silk locust]

whos the guy in background/talking to us when we use the terminus

yharim?

[dusk laurel]

xeroc is the one talking during the boss rush

yharim speaks through the whispers dropped from bosses

[split mortar]

The guy who controls The Sun

[terse moss]

He should toss the sun at you like a bowling ball

[long scaffold]

The real question is if Xeroc can beat Kirby

[terse moss]

Absolutely not

Not even close

[long scaffold]

Agreed

[terse moss]

Kirby beats the vast majority of fictional characters considering in triple deluxe alone he ate the UI

and he is a baby of whatever he is

He also destroyed a reality warping machine that can grant any wish

And it was merged with a computer that could control time

The closest you could get to a Kirby villain would be max power fovos I guess

Or the distortion as a whole perhaps

[leaden bridge]

max power fovos is nothing compared to the shit kirby deals with lol

[terse moss]

True

It’s the closest I think you could get

[leaden bridge]

calamity scales really poorly to everything

[terse moss]

I prefer it honestly

I like grounded stories

[split mortar]

Kirby runs on borderline toonforce while calamity is more grounded

[leaden bridge]

we mean its not

[terse moss]

If anyone gets above like island level I think keeping the story consistent becomes near impossible

[leaden bridge]

particularly grounded

on the sense of like

[terse moss]

Comparatively

[leaden bridge]

because ultimately scaling is meaningless

like it doesnt functionally change all that much

[terse moss]

It is an amount of power I can picture fully in my head

Makes it feel more realistic

[leaden bridge]

i mean Portal That Can Pull a Planet Through you can fully picture in your head too

[terse moss]

Not the same as like goku or whatever, who just kinda does stuff sometimes

“He punches bluer” ok

[leaden bridge]

i mean the terrarian is also like that as a necessity of the game

"it's all gear" sure whatever but they can still like

[terse moss]

Sure but they get gear to do the heavy lifting

[leaden bridge]

make the Fuck Off Beam Omega 3 without any help beyond stumbling into some magical crystal

[terse moss]

But yeah, they are baseline superhuman

But not insanely so

Irl humans made a nuclear bomb

It’s not outside possibility

[leaden bridge]

yeah but not a single one

[terse moss]

Fair

[leaden bridge]

and not with an anvil and some hope

[split mortar]

Lot more preparation needed then touching The Crystal to cast a Kamehameha

[terse moss]

True

I think it’s largely sped up for gameplay purposes

Do you want a 3 week mini game where you assemble a single gun by hand

Make a whole factory to produce one kind of screw

[leaden bridge]

doesnt really matter if its sped up or how much

its like, still a lot

[terse moss]

Maybe they just see the designs in their head like in the Lego movie

I think that the funniest explanation

[split mortar]

The terrarian is up to you image here

[leaden bridge]

and like sure guide magically knows what to make of everything but some of the materials you get have realistically never been used before

[terse moss]

The design for a railgun gifted by god

Or schizophrenia

[terse moss]

My terrarian just put the materials into a pile and just punches them into shape

The anvil just has to be strong enough to withstand the punching

[light linden]

I still hope the titanium railgun and adamantine particle accelerator get upgrades

such simple designs but they are very fun

[terse moss]

True

The particle accelerator is also one of the best options on tier

It shreds skeleton prime and destroyer

[dusk laurel]

10 billion new weapons

[light linden]

they are fun

[dusk laurel]

novelty is pretty important all things considered

[light linden]

the accelerator reminds me of the NA-45 from call of duty aw

[dusk laurel]

this mod tries too many times to make every weapon type available at all times of progression

[terse moss]

I think it’s really nice for challenge runs, like guns/bows/flamethrowers only, true melee only, and all that

I really like it honestly

Especially for Ranger

[light linden]

hit both rounds and the enemy detonates

[terse moss]

Having the largest arsenal makes sense for that class

[dusk laurel]

challenge runs arent exactly an interesting case

[terse moss]

Well the game is kinda too easy otherwise

[dusk laurel]

this mod isnt just the weapons and bosses mod like it was made to be anymore

[terse moss]

Until future boss reworks

[light linden]

how?

[cedar path]

well right not it kind of still is but the intent is for it not to be

[dusk laurel]

calamity is being updated to not be just be that

[dusk laurel]

yeah thats what i meant

the mod is changing and combat wont be the only thing of importance

[light linden]

mfw the main gameplay isn't the focus

[dusk laurel]

also like, weapons feel more worthless when the things you fight them with usually just

pose no threat

[dusk laurel]

terraria isnt just fighting bosses ⭐

[light linden]

I never mentioned bosses

[cedar path]

terraria is so, so, so, so, so so so so much more than just combat

[dusk laurel]

and do literally nothing

[split mortar]

Exploring and other things are also focuses i could prob find one of my old cd cases for terraria that say exploring and like 2 other stuff as well

[dusk laurel]

okay thats an exaggeration but like most enemies arent well designed is my point

combat is just spectacle theres no substance if the fight isnt worth it

[terse moss]

Some of them genuinely do nothing tho

Brimstone elemental has like 3 attacks

You can dodge by walking away

CV has 2 attacks

Slime god is 2 biome mimics

[dusk laurel]

whats the point if the weapon is like the most mechanically interesting thing ever and the enemy dies in like 6 hits and sometimes shoots a deadly projectile

is it even engaging?

[terse moss]

Engaging weapons can make the boring bosses more interesting

Gives you something to do while waiting for the boss to die

[dusk laurel]

💔

[terse moss]

It’s nice in the mean time, until all the boss overhauls

I personally play the mod largely for the mechanically interesting weapons and build making

The bosses are build tests

[leaden bridge]

its TRUE

[pulsar ocean]

i thought this was update talk

[leaden bridge]

people always be wanting to use the same weapon forever because its the one thats fun and like man, just, let the developers make other fun weapons instead of giving six billion upgrades to the vork cannon

[terse moss]

I don’t mind cutting some bloat, ranger doesn’t need 14 billion weapons post DoG that are all bad bar like 3

Melee has more swords than other classes have weapons

[dusk laurel]

its also a reason why theres so many weapon lines that last almost the entirety of the game

[terse moss]

That’s the best part tho

I just don’t like that there might be like 8 niche rocket launchers that no one will ever use at the exact same point in progression

[pulsar ocean]

i like having a sense of progression along with the weapon

[terse moss]

There should be only one weapon of each “type” at any progression point

[dusk laurel]

not when it feels like a third of every weapon is part of some greater tree

[leaden bridge]

its okay with a couple but like

[terse moss]

There are like 7 bows at the beginning of hardmode and all of the are unusably bad

[leaden bridge]

the miracle matter weapons absorb a ton of shit into them for no real reason

[terse moss]

That’s stupid

[terse moss]

I like it

Personally

[pulsar ocean]

is that a bad thing
makes you get the other weapons and try them out

[terse moss]

I enjoy the feeling of progression and all your work culminating in one thing

I think that’s one of the best parts

[leaden bridge]

why are you in event horizon

you serve no purpose

[spare pier]

It takes itself way to far, that's the problem

[pulsar ocean]

cuz its a book

[leaden bridge]

it doesnt really

[terse moss]

I would prefer larger crafting trees like in earlier updates, personally

[leaden bridge]

it may for some but a lot of them r just gonna be fodder you get for later and dont really use ever

[terse moss]

I wish the miracle trees were longer but the weapons were stronger

[pulsar ocean]

is that a problem with large crafting trees or weapons themselves

[terse moss]

Like the old exo blade crafting tree

[leaden bridge]

both

the crafting tree doesnt accomplish anything and the weapon could also very well be boring

[terse moss]

or like this. This was peak

[leaden bridge]

but if it was not boring and people used it the crafting tree wouldnt matter anywyas

[wanton pendant]

Can you post a version with pixels?

[terse moss]

Fair lol

[split mortar]

I can tell how many pixels that has via the taste how the fuck are we meant to read that

[terse moss]

let me find a better one

[dusk laurel]

90% of the tomes are part of a weapon line or tree 💔

[terse moss]

Is this one better?

[dusk laurel]

thats how it feels

[dusk laurel]

guh

[wanton pendant]

Can any archeaologist date this?

[terse moss]

Bruh

And yeah based off the sprites it was probably ~2019

[pulsar ocean]

Calamity mod will be sunshine and rainbows whenever they get rid of post dog events

[dusk laurel]

yharon still had the refight when this image was made

[terse moss]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

It has 'Jungle Dragon' on it.

[terse moss]

You see the point tho

big crafting trees are fun, as long as everything in the crafting tree is, itself, unqiue, useful, and interesting

I think the latter part is the issue more than the former

[dusk laurel]

accessory trees in cal used to be so much worse

[terse moss]

Nah they were goated

[dusk laurel]

material gathering monstrosity

[terse moss]

the split the sponge into 3 accessories

its so sad

I want my wall of text back

😔

[split mortar]

The sponge is like still really strong no?

[dusk laurel]

sponge was reworked to be bette

[spare pier]

This just isn't how we work, sorry to disappoint. This just makes impossible to make meaningful upgrades

[terse moss]

Yeah, but it used to be the sponge+the radiance+the absorber

[terse moss]

I understand why, this is entirely my personal bias

I just personally enjoy the big trees ebcause its so satisfying when it all comes together

I don't necessarily think its good design

[spare pier]

If every weapon goes into a tree, then either all of them are pathetically simple or half of them just aren't properly inherited

[terse moss]

Why not just make every mircale/auric tier weapon an ark of the cosmos type thing

decently complex with a long crafting tree to support it, where it is upgrading one "main" weapon throughout

The miracle weapons are kind of similar, but not as mechanically interesting imo

[dusk laurel]

curse of no rework

[spare pier]

The biggest complaint people have about Ark is how it inherits nothing from Galaxia!

[dusk laurel]

yeah lmao

[terse moss]

You could split the galaxia line into a separate tree

just have 2 big weapons

[dusk laurel]

it does but ark is inherited more and galaxia is moreso visuals

[terse moss]

an Aoe one and a boss fight one

[spare pier]

But then it's not a crafting tree anymore

[wanton pendant]

Crafting Forest.

[terse moss]

But like the heavenly gale, for example. The lunerian bow is bad, the vernal bolter is bad, and the heavenly gale is just worse than stuff like the dragon's breath. Also, the photoviscerator being weaker than the dragon's breath makes me sad

[split mortar]

I dont think weapons should mitose like that dont think its healthy for the ecosystem

[terse moss]

Like the tree isn't worth it at any point

[spare pier]

The best we can do is make something like Miracle Matter which is a jumble of a bunch of materials to artificially inflate a recipe's size

[pulsar ocean]

Straight crafting path

[terse moss]

I just like things that force people to engage with non boss gameplay to get the items

[dusk laurel]

none of those bows have been reworked yet
photoviscerator has but i dont play with flamethrowers so i wouldnt know

[spare pier]

Well, big recipes aren't going to help that!

[terse moss]

are the post DoG moons bad? Yeah, of course. But the fundamental idea is good

[dusk laurel]

uh

[split mortar]

What??

[terse moss]

I just mean it could justify a stronger weapon if the recipe is beefier

[dusk laurel]

i wouldnt call a buffed vanilla event good impo

[spare pier]

They only work in Calamity because everything is pathetically easy to get anyways

[wanton pendant]

The issue, of course, is that nothing actually happens.

[dusk laurel]

it doesnt even add unique enemies

[pulsar ocean]

Further upgrades to Galaxia would be actually sick it’s my favorite weapon against goozma

[terse moss]

No, liek the execution is bad. I mean forcing players to get materials from things that arent bosses

[dusk laurel]

oh

[spare pier]

That's just Terraria!

[terse moss]

Right but a lot of weapons don't require that

you could very easily do back to back bosses with nothing but boss drops

[spare pier]

Yeah because our content is subpar

[split mortar]

True but also itd be like 7 weapons in one which sounds hell to make more of snd balance so i doubt it

[plucky juniper]

i could argue thats partly because aotc has like. two weapon materials, not one
if aotc had like five other swords with differing functions than the ark, i dont think people would shit on it for not using the functionality of all of those

[leaden bridge]

jusst put the quality in the bag as they say

[terse moss]

I just like that the more complex crafting trees encourage exploring more of the game to "earn" the powerful weapon

[plucky juniper]

i should clarify that no do not give aotc 5 other swords to justify it only using one

[leaden bridge]

yeah and thats fun for like zenith not every lategame weapon the mod has

[split mortar]

It isnt necessary though for that effect

[plucky juniper]

just that if it did people would not care if it inherited the functions of all of them

[spare pier]

This is just a placebo to the actual issue at hand

[wanton pendant]

I think it would be cool if there was more time to really use weapons before you've already got a considerable upgrade.

[spare pier]

The issue being that we have no content!

[terse moss]

fair, honestly

[spare pier]

And also that we make boss loot to easy to get

[terse moss]

It is a "bandaid fix" but I feel like its at least good as that, if nothing else

[leaden bridge]

i mean aotc does inherit from galaxia it just simplifies everything down a lot because iban was running out of keys and because it makes sense to condense down the weapon into cool extra attacks instead of the gimmicks at the end

[spare pier]

This is something we discussed before but a good part of the team is dissatisfied with boss loot in Calamity because it's so overcentralizing

Everything drops so much, you never need anything else!

[terse moss]

True

[dusk laurel]

every boss has to drop atleast one weapon for each class for some reason

why

[terse moss]

it might be better to just have the boss drop materials

[dusk laurel]

vanilla dowsnt even do this for most bosses

[terse moss]

all the weapons and armor and accessories have to be craftable, or it unlocks and ore or something

anything

Grinding duke fishron for the tsunami is so much less fun than beating him, and then getting a new material that just lets me craft what I want

[dusk laurel]

in calamity its even worse because theres a fifth class so every boss besides the guardians and distortion trio drop 5 weapons

[spare pier]

Most modern bosses do this and that's just one of the reasons why everyone criticizes Hardmode so much!

[terse moss]

and it forces non boss gamepay

Like lunatic cultist is a great example

[leaden bridge]

past hardmode every boss has some loot associated to it, mechs share the hallowed metal pool, and lc has the pillars if you want to be a pedant. but calamity kinda has too many bosses and then theres stuff like cryogen with his full weapon set and a material with its own full weapon se

[terse moss]

no drops at all, but gives access to pillar weapons

[leaden bridge]

AND PERAMFROST THAT FUCKING

SELLS WEAPONS

[terse moss]

True

[spare pier]

Duke and Empress are good implementations of that because they're endgame optional bosses which are hard to farm

[leaden bridge]

BECAUSE GOD FORBID YOU DONT HAVE THREE FUCKING ICE THEMED WEAPON SETS

[dusk laurel]

kill lore npc shops ❤️

[split mortar]

Wait yeah cryogen gives basically 3 sets of ice items 😭

[terse moss]

cryogen having an ore and gear and an NPC at the same time as 6 other bosses and like 8 other ore tiers

[dusk laurel]

yeah...

[spare pier]

People don't understand but they're inconvenient for a reason!

[pulsar ocean]

He’s lore important tho

[terse moss]

Pre plantera hardmode progression is so cooked

[pulsar ocean]

So it’s fine

[split mortar]

Permafrost is, cryogen not really

[spare pier]

Calamity sanitizes the game so much, ugh

[pulsar ocean]

Really almost same thing

[long bloom]

aquatic scourge giving gear and an event with drops and a material

[wanton pendant]

Obviously when Calamitas froze Permafrost she also froze in fifty different weapons for him, because, uh, it was in his will or something.

[split mortar]

I dont think the ominous hexagon is the same as dripped out old man

[dusk laurel]

calamity shouldnt be afraid to remove alot of weapons

[leaden bridge]

why didnt calamitas just get permafrost out at some point

[dusk laurel]

because no matter what someone will get mad

[long bloom]

we need to do another draedon update purge

like how did flarefrost blade survive

[wanton pendant]

She lost track of where she left him.

[spare pier]

We aren't, but we'd rather only remove things when we get there so we can appropriately replace them

[terse moss]

6 bosses, 3 tiers of 2 ores, 3 essence types, infernal suevite, the cryogen ore, stuff like dark/light shards, crystals, ichor/cursed flame, biome mimics, regular mimics, new enemies everywhere, hallowed and chlorophyte and turtle being the same tier for some reason? all can be done in any order basically

[leaden bridge]

flarefrost blade can survive so we can have flarefrost set

can you guys make equanimity into the flarefrost boomerang its supposed to be

[pulsar ocean]

That sounds like a super awkward moment that I wouldn’t wanna endure as calamitas

[plucky juniper]

i dunno man

[leaden bridge]

i dont give a shit about your ying yangs

[terse moss]

And the ice golem frost cores and a billion other things I can't be bothered to type out

[spare pier]

Sure, Cryogen having 3 weapon sets is very dumb, but removing 2 of them and replacing them with nothing isn't very good either, specially when that would leave Permafrost with literally nothing

[plucky juniper]

ying yang this ying yang that how about i ying yang your mother

[spare pier]

We're just gonna merge everything eventually and keep what we like

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost can get a real job instead.

[terse moss]

Make him not drop anything, and maybe just make permafrost do something else

[split mortar]

The real solution is to delete cryogen and make permafrost a bound npc clearly

[dusk laurel]

also calamity keeps making sets of weapons based on vanilla items 💔

[spare pier]

Yes, it's probably just gonna be the Cryonic set in the future

[leaden bridge]

you know how the ancient saying goes! janded restar

[dusk laurel]

enchanted, night, terra, etc

[terse moss]

Also adamantite and titanuim and cryonic and boss drops all being same tier is crazy considering taht "tier" lasts for 15 whole minutes

[spare pier]

The enchanted knife summon is cute

We don't have anything for that set other than that

[pulsar ocean]

The solution is to add carcinogen and make him independent from permafrost and retheme all of the cryogen weapons into asbestos

[long bloom]

can we remove cryonic ore
0 aura
0 relevance
7 bosses between generation and mining it

[terse moss]

or re-tier cryogen

[long bloom]

true

[terse moss]

make him the same tier as cal clone

problem solved

[long bloom]

no

[terse moss]

why

[spare pier]

It's better to have Cryonic than Permafrost Shop and Dropslop

What a dumb term, ugh

I'm never using that again

[long bloom]

permafrost giving you the items would be better if it was anything other than a shop

[terse moss]

"dropslop" 🔥 ✍️

[wanton pendant]

I figured it out, Permafrost should be the one to mine it in a new Elder Abuse Minigame.

[terse moss]

TRUE

[split mortar]

Dropslop 🔥

[icy veldt]

Permafrost's Feed and Seed?

[leaden bridge]

reminder cryonic ore are daedalus' old abandoned machines! you cant just remove it! for the lore

[plucky juniper]

i dunno cryonic is kinda lame rn

[pulsar ocean]

Please don’t make me do more obnoxious quests

[plucky juniper]

its not crystally enough ngl

[terse moss]

is daedalus still real

[plucky juniper]

too frosty

[spare pier]

Yeah, so we make it crystally!

[long bloom]

what if the quests aren't obnoxious

[icy veldt]

Point a gun at him and intimidate him into giving you more weapons

[light linden]

I'd like that

[leaden bridge]

yeah daedalus is real

[split mortar]

Totally

[dusk laurel]

darklight greatsword is the only good looking one but also its part of the EVERYTHING IS WOODEN pattern

[split mortar]

100% real

[wanton pendant]

No, I killed him with my bare hands.

[leaden bridge]

didnt you know he climbed the miracle tower and his creativity became andromeda and his curiosity became draedon

[plucky juniper]

wood is good

how bout you read a book

[spare pier]

I don't like these conversations you guys are so narrow minded, every time we say X is better than Y you always say "but it's not better right now!"

[terse moss]

Idk, there is just way too much going on pre plantera

[plucky juniper]

i mean but like yea

[terse moss]

its all confusing and 90% of the weapons are so bad they are useless

[plucky juniper]

alr fine

[dusk laurel]

yeah but this is a metal

[plucky juniper]

i'll try something more interesting

[long bloom]

i think permafrost giving the gear has more potential than cryonic ore

[terse moss]

Make it like an icy crystal ore

like more crystally

[spare pier]

There's no reason to make another questline at that tier

[dusk laurel]

also we already have way too many plant themed materials

[long bloom]

who said anything about a questline

[spare pier]

It's basically a questline

[plucky juniper]

Cryonic Ore is something i feel is less needed than the Permafrost items because at that point, there is a trend of new ores spawning because of bosses that are on tier

[spare pier]

Whatever!

[terse moss]

I still think making cosmilite a plant or for literally no reason would be the funniest thing ever

[split mortar]

This chat is horrible release the hog

[long bloom]

also this yeah

[wanton pendant]

We need to keep Permafrost available so when they totally let us save Calamitas Clone (which will totally happen, trust) we can simply abandon convince him to adopt her.

[long bloom]

there's already 7 early hardmode ores

[plucky juniper]

at that point the magic of new ores kinda just fades away quickly

[light linden]

I like cryonic

[long bloom]

fuck i forgot about infernal suevite

8

[spare pier]

Ok, I think that's a better point

Infernal Suevite is not real!

[wanton pendant]

Put something dangerous in the ice, make you have to work for Cryonic.

[long bloom]

true

[light linden]

gives a character at a single tier more purpose

[plucky juniper]

this is also incidentally why perennial needs to be substantially reworked to be not a straight up ore but rather a combination of two (including living shards)

[dusk laurel]

dont remind me!!!!!!!!

[plucky juniper]

because ya

[dusk laurel]

why does it have to be an ore

[plucky juniper]

perennial is a plant ore that is obtained 1 tier above another plant ore

[spare pier]

The Aquatic Scourge at least works fine in Early HM

[plucky juniper]

its not even like uelibloom ore! which is multiple tiers above

[light linden]

perennial and infernal suevite actually have no point though

[terse moss]

Why are the calamity bosses interspersed between the mechs. Why not do all 3 mechs and then the calamity ones

especially since most people do that anyway

[plucky juniper]

@spare pier wait what do you mean by this, is there already a questline at this tier that ive never noticed? (probs not im gonna assume you're thinking of a planned questline there)

[spare pier]

Because then you just do Plantera and everything is useless!

[split mortar]

Cryonic ore flavoured icecream

[spare pier]

Yes it's a planned questline

[long bloom]

ideally i would want perennial to replace chlorophyte in function but that's removing too much vanilla content

[split mortar]

You can already do plantera to invalidate them

[spare pier]

Even if there are too many events there, ugh

[terse moss]

Its the same problem as late hm. Why enage with plaguebringer, ravager, duke fishron, betsy, or EoL when LC is way easier and has better gear and is already available

[spare pier]

Hardmode is such a mess

[dusk laurel]

chlorophyte pisses me off so much its supposed to be a plant and moss but NO. its a fucking metal thats molded into a bar

[long bloom]

actually
just making chlorophyte obtainable post plant would fix everything

[split mortar]

Genuinely something ive done a bunch when playing cal

[plucky juniper]

also the fact that there doesnt seem to be a written lore explanation as to why golem being beaten allows you to fight LC even in calamity is really telling

[light linden]

it's organic metal

[terse moss]

wait thats true

like straight up

[long bloom]

and there's precedent for retiering ores in cal

(early hardmode rework)

[plucky juniper]

oh my god

[spare pier]

I still want to just rework the entire Hardmode progression!

It's so bad to work with

[long bloom]

true

[terse moss]

That fixes perrenial and the bost mech overlap, where chlorophyte is just better than hallowed flatly

[plucky juniper]

the only issue that might pose is making the planned post-mech band upgrades kinda wonky

ACTUALLY
CRACKPOT IDEA TIME

[dusk laurel]

please give me a better reason to like this thing and not just "because it is"

[agile matrix]

buububububububu what about dodge!!!

[wanton pendant]

There is quite a bit of stuff that probably should be important that has very little incentive to do.

[terse moss]

nah chlorophyte os better

[split mortar]

Makes me unable to eat it

[terse moss]

better stats, more defense, the crystal, better weapons

everything

[dusk laurel]

😭

[long bloom]

overdone typing for 3 years

[split mortar]

What

[spare pier]

They've been typing for less than five minutes!

[plucky juniper]

rename cryonic ore to something like Darklight Crystals or something, make it resemble the darklight greatsword's metal parts
move it to post-mechs as the new alternative to hallowed instead of chlorophyte

[sharp pulsar]

Was DoG like yharim’s dog?

[dusk laurel]

do you need like a snack or something

[long bloom]

ok
but why

[wanton pendant]

No.

[wanton pendant]

DoG was more like a really annoying guy he hired as a janitor.

[terse moss]

Why is there more than one or per tier ever

[plucky juniper]

and thne you move chlorophyte to post-plantera and then combine terra and perennial stuff

[dusk laurel]

i wish to wage war against vanilla hm progression but that requires too much effort

[sharp pulsar]

Ooooo

[split mortar]

Yes im hungry and have been wanting a snack for like 2 hours but cant get anything rn due to no clean dishes and not able to manually clean one

[dusk laurel]

damn...

[terse moss]

orichalchum, mithril, and suevite all overlap, cryonic, adamantite, and titanium overlap, chlorophyte and hallowed overlap, and then perrenial, spectre, and shroomite

I think every tier has at most one ore

[long bloom]

[terse moss]

3+ is too many

[wanton pendant]

Too be fair, Spectre and Shroomite aren't ores.

[split mortar]

Could i use a small bit of chlorophyte like a chewable renewable source of fibre

[spare pier]

The best solution is to just create our own tiers with our own content between Mechs and Plantera, Plantera and Golem and maybe Golem and Cultist

[wanton pendant]

Don't.

[long bloom]

they're metal materials

[spare pier]

And? You can chew on Gallium!

[split mortar]

If you ain’t a coward you can also chew on other metals

[wanton pendant]

Do not chew on lead.

[spare pier]

We have more than enough bosses and dumb things to fit there anyways

[plucky juniper]

also never forget that frigid bars were a thing for some reason

[split mortar]

I was more so thinking iron or like kitchen utensils

[long bloom]

is this satire i can't tell

[spare pier]

No

[wanton pendant]

Do not eat forks.

[plucky juniper]

also lmao this fu cking thing

[split mortar]

I dont wanna eat forks i wanna chew on forks

[spare pier]

Why would it be? It's objectively the best solution

[wanton pendant]

I have been thinking that (especially for anyone who wanted to make a modpack) increasing the gap between bosses could be a strategy.

[long bloom]

i don't think the solution to vanilla hardmode having too much content is
adding more content

[plucky juniper]

literally just as absurd as the solistice claymore in its function btw

[spare pier]

We aren't adding more content, we are just rearranging it!

[split mortar]

The issue is that its all fucking overlapping i think

[plucky juniper]

do ya'll even know what the Temporal Floe Sword did when its ice beam hit something?

[split mortar]

No

[terse moss]

honestly yeah. I think the best option is just to expand everything a bit. The only way to stop people from just jumping tiers anyway is to make the jump in difficulty between each boss larger too, but that leads to calamity not geling well with other mods

[plucky juniper]

i didnt even remember until i checked the wiki

its fucking hilarious

When used, it fired an ice beam that dealt 65% of the blade's damage. Upon contact with an enemy or tile, the beam split into two more beams that dealt 32.5% of the sword's damage. The direction that the beams split into was based on the in-game time and an analog clock, with each minute changing the angle of the first beam by 6 degrees, and each hour changing the angle of the second beam by 15 degrees, clockwise starting at 12:00 PM.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that was what I was saying.

[terse moss]

I think its still worth it

Calamity would be less compatible with other mods but far far stronger as a standalone, which is much more important

[split mortar]

Sounds uterly useless in anything but destroyer

[spare pier]

But thinking about it that makes the stat inflation problem too big

[terse moss]

But thats only a relative issue

[plucky juniper]

this thing was post-plantera (it required ectoplasm)

[terse moss]

within calamity it wouldn't be bad

[split mortar]

😭

[spare pier]

Adding more tiers just means things need to have a bigger gap in stats between them

[spare pier]

It would be bad

[terse moss]

Why? Just scale everything up proportionally

[plucky juniper]

okay at this point im going to run to red and force him to rework golem from the ground to make him good

anyhow

[spare pier]

Stat inflation is one of the biggest problems in Calamity right now because it makes the mod basically impossible to crossmod, and also just adds a load of work for us when we should just go from vanilla values

[split mortar]

Ok horrors goodbye

[plucky juniper]

i remembered that in the weeks following fabsolution, a lot of devs had a bunch of ideas on where to move bosses to to make the game more interesting

[terse moss]

but its the only way to separate tiers the necessary amount

[plucky juniper]

there was a chart delineating the ideas

[spare pier]

Not really

[terse moss]

How else?

[plucky juniper]

now a lot of them were just ideas, nothing more

[spare pier]

I think the only thing that's really necessary is delaying Plantera

[terse moss]

Post golem is also really rough. Like less rough, but definitely not great

There is no reason to do anything between golem and LC ever

[plucky juniper]

and only two of these are still regularly mentioned (evil2 bosses being swapped with dragonfolly is probably gonna be real, and calclone and slime god being swapped)

but like

[long bloom]

post golem is too nonlinear imo

[plucky juniper]

does anyone have that chart

[wanton pendant]

Plaguebringer Goliath.... is there.

[terse moss]

Like make it so that LC doesn't spawn until post ravager if nothing else

[spare pier]

We can fit everything in Early HM if we delineate Post X Mechs better, and Post Golem isn't a problem so long as we make the Cultist actually hard

[wanton pendant]

Ain't Ravager gonna be post-Moon Lord?

[long bloom]

ravager is becoming post prov

[terse moss]

idk

well

then duke fishron or something

idk

[long bloom]

[terse moss]

or make the cultist way harder

like way way harder

[spare pier]

Post Golem isn't meant to have a load of content, it's all optional to give you strong stuff for the endgame

[terse moss]

Right now plaguebringer is harder than moon lord, so there is just no reason to fight him

[spare pier]

We should just follow that but make the endgame harder to justify that content existing besides completionist playthroughs

[terse moss]

If cultist was a genuine roadblock, then it would actually force people to fight at least one optional boss

[spare pier]

Not just Cultist, Pillars too

[dusk laurel]

1.queen slime (ew)
2.cryogen, aquatic scourge, brimmy, the three mech bosses
3.calclone, plantera
4.aureus, leviana
5.golem
6.pbg, empress, duke
7.cultist, deus
8.moon lord

this is basically progression not everyone will agree but this is basically what hm looks like

[long bloom]

society if pillars were good:

[dusk laurel]

🐗

[split mortar]

Make em spawn minibosses

[terse moss]

Or make the pillar itself have a larger effect

[wanton pendant]

Pillars should fight back.

[terse moss]

like it actually changes the environment

[wanton pendant]

Give them dragon ghosts.

[terse moss]

Or imposes restrictions

or that

[wanton pendant]

That you Fargo?

[long bloom]

make me feel like i'm fighting a horrific conglomerate that killed auric dragons

[terse moss]

Does fargo do that?

[split mortar]

Forces you to use their class iirc

[terse moss]

Ok not that

[plucky juniper]

ive tried looking for this but i stil havent found it

[long bloom]

also imo the pillars should be way WAY bigger

like
sticking out of the ground half as wide as your screen

[wanton pendant]

Reminds me of that thing I wrote.

[terse moss]

Well they are almost as tall as ML

[plucky juniper]

but anyhow i want to show them here purely cause i think theres a much better idea to deal with HM bosses having wonky progression

and thats just

[long bloom]

reaching into the sky

[plucky juniper]

to move a lot of them into post-ML

[long bloom]

how many is a lot

[dusk laurel]

ravager (and also hopefully deus):

[plucky juniper]

i think like

oh fuck i forgot ravager is guaranteed to be post-moon lord

[wanton pendant]

That's it. Make every boss Post-Moon Lord.
Moon Lord is now the first boss.

[long bloom]

[dusk laurel]

plantera has eoc syndrome (breaking open into a maw in phase 2)

[terse moss]

She should have more tentacle whip attacks

[long bloom]

real

[dusk laurel]

i would sacrifice plantera to the gods to make golem a good boss

but thats just me

[long bloom]

also real

[eager bluff]

WHAT THE FUCK XICHUN???

[terse moss]

I think golem would have to be fundamentally restructured from the ground up

He is just too wonky

[dusk laurel]

i couldnt tell if shes headmaye or if one of the archons just took a new name

[long bloom]

new

bio said 8 yesterday

now it's 9

[dusk laurel]

huh

i see

[dusk laurel]

two birds with one stone (now there wont be two jungle bosses in hm right beside each other, also golem will not be so 🐗)

[cloud ibex]

the council expands

[long bloom]

hogalicious

[wanton pendant]

I feel like things are accelerating.

[split mortar]

The last like 2-3 times i have checked the bio its had a new headmate hope theyre doing alright

[wanton pendant]

There would still be two in Calamity.

[long bloom]

yeah pretty sure it was 7 like 2 days ago

[dusk laurel]

i would immediately click the erase the plague button if it existed, specifically to spite you

[wanton pendant]

Jokes on you, I never remember to kill Plaguebringer Goliath.

[long scaffold]

Max power Fovos is just Void Termina

[split mortar]

Except not on a universal scale

[long scaffold]

I mean

They have eye targets to hit and an insane cultist associated with them

you haven't seen them in the same room so there

[wanton pendant]

But one is very much anti-Fovos.

[long scaffold]

Hyness was once upon a time iirc

Before going insane for being punished for saving the world

Idk Kirby lore is like trying to understand the inner workings of Draedon's machines

[terse moss]

Isn’t void termina somehow related to the first eyeball guy

[split mortar]

Theyre all descendents of what is effectively God afaik

[terse moss]

https://preview.redd.it/kirby-lore-true-kirby-master-edition-v0-pwnon03ik7db1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=25d58c49568a9d65a586c52639699e3ad300acce

I found a chart

[split mortar]

Im not going into kirby chart lore at 1am goodbye mortal

[terse moss]

Idk why it didn’t jut put the picture

[dusk laurel]

the embed fail

[split mortar]

What flavour of icecream exists

[plucky juniper]

embed save

OR NOT

jesus

the quality of this image sucks but you get the point

[split mortar]

I love how many pixels this tastes

[plucky juniper]

its. absurd.

they do not compare kirby lore complexity to kingdom hearts lore complexity for no reason

[split mortar]

It it looks like a big ang is happening from irby

[terse moss]

Basically

[split mortar]

Gay people

[terse moss]

Kirby games are goated

If I were to ever by a switch 2 it would be to play more Kirby

Forgotten lands was peak

[open iris]

Yall think we're gonna strong enough to actually kill Yharim