lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

That's Britain's national anthem.
Also that message crashed Discord.

[dim swan]

Ok no I meant it's almost always good

Butttt it's great while playing

[split mortar]

LMAO

[agile matrix]

i really hope when they rework the bosses they either remix or change some of the themes

[long bloom]

same

[agile matrix]

the bosses being like. Any Of Them Really

[graceful warren]

Didn't they change brain of culthu theme

[long bloom]

no

[graceful warren]

Oh

[long bloom]

well

not in 2.1

but vcmm changes almost every vanilla theme

[mighty zenith]

true!

i love open frenzy

[dim swan]

There's... no theme for him

[long bloom]

the boss themes i want changed the most are ravager and the distortion trio

[mighty zenith]

dokuro saw that piece of dogshit boss fight and thought "i can save this" and he DID

[long bloom]

wrong

vcmm

[agile matrix]

whoms is that

[mighty zenith]

ravager

[dim swan]

Isn't it just

The basic ambience theme of underground crimson

[agile matrix]

oh yes .

[long bloom]

???????????????????????

[agile matrix]

i forgot abt his theme .

the guitar in the far back acting like breathing

thats. ough. my Jorts

[long bloom]

https://youtu.be/-vIeuHGXDjI?si=6ssw4bYzNXr6Xsn0

[mighty zenith]

ghhh

[long bloom]

fuck

[mighty zenith]

fine ill delet emine

[agile matrix]

Ouuuuuuughhhhh.

[dim swan]

Huh????

It never played for me

[mighty zenith]

you need VCMM

[long bloom]

do you have vcmm

[dim swan]

It was just base underground crimson theme

The fucks vcmm

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

vanilla calamity mod music

[mighty zenith]

vanilla calamity mod music

[dim swan]

It's not a dependency right

[split mortar]

That explains why

[mighty zenith]

its an officially endorsed addon that changes vanilla music to fit calamity better

[long bloom]

no

[mighty zenith]

yea its optional

[split mortar]

If it was you would have had the music

[long bloom]

but you should still have it

[dim swan]

Ok do that explains it

[long bloom]

it's very good

[dim swan]

What does vcmm also add

[split mortar]

Music

[mighty zenith]

its just music

[dim swan]

No like other themes

[long bloom]

changes almost every vanilla theme

[split mortar]

It stands for
Vanilla calamity music mod

[agile matrix]

at like 0:30, yhear that baseline

why is it Sonic.Exe

[long bloom]

way too many to list

[dim swan]

Can you name one theme from base terraria

That's memorable

I can't remember even one

[long bloom]

boss 2

[balmy glacier]

the only bosses I’d like to have some changes to their themes are sentinels, ravager and cal
main reason being da lore
though it’s super extra unlikely that anyone would ever touch sbc, which is sad

the rest work fine for me

[dim swan]

Oh yeah boss 2 Is good

[split mortar]

The boss themes:
the normal day theme:

[agile matrix]

whats sbc

[split mortar]

Stained brutal calamity

[long bloom]

stained brutal calamity

[agile matrix]

oh right

praying to god they never touch it

[dim swan]

Do day/cavern and etc themes get replaced

[mighty zenith]

i mean

the overworld day theme is iconic

[long bloom]

yeah

[agile matrix]

its on its pedestal, its gonna STAY there.

[long bloom]

one second

[graceful warren]

Honestly I wish golem get a calamity redesign and rework. It's lore in calmility is kinda unique

[long bloom]

vcmm status doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O5b7sgRHXbkH27FVnLcS7L_VSqDz9g663CATw19gltU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[mighty zenith]

maybe eventually

BoC got one, nothing stopping golem from getting one too

[graceful warren]

I belive golem is pretty much a false god

[long bloom]

not really

[split mortar]

I doubt a redesign will happen

[mighty zenith]

yeah redesign is unlikely but rework is reasonable

[split mortar]

Its a robot made to be an idol when a god left the civilisation worshipping it iirc

[long bloom]

yeag

[graceful warren]

So basically a false god

[long bloom]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[graceful warren]

They still treat it as something holy even tho its just a robot

[long bloom]

yeah sure

[split mortar]

If by false god you just mean idol that is worshipped then yeah

[graceful warren]

I mean aye there god leaving the was probably a good thing

It stopped them from being killed by Yharim. Until we just do it anyways

[split mortar]

Though that would put brimmy in as a false god though i think

[split mortar]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Golem is skippable so up to you

[graceful warren]

I mean he is needed to make a really stong turn mele sword

[split mortar]

Thats not required for progression

[graceful warren]

Yeah fair. But screw the lizard people.

[split mortar]

Yharim speech bubble

Wait so do we know what meld is if we know the other fragments

[long bloom]

it's ????????

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[agile matrix]

i think meld is space creature matter that cant handle our awesome swag

alternatively, its what all the celestial creatures are made of and the pillars just enhance specific parts

[graceful warren]

What do the Wulfrum have to do with the lore

[wanton pendant]

Anti-Yharim rebels.

[graceful warren]

Well they must have done a terrible job.

[raven brook]

The wulfrum machines were less meant to be an actual military force and more meant to just be nuisances afaik

[graceful warren]

Who made the wulfrum anyways

[split mortar]

^

[graceful warren]

Also I find it kinda werid we never got a wulfrum themed boss

[raven brook]

Eh

You don't need a boss version of everything

[split mortar]

calamity has too many bosses already

[graceful warren]

I guess i kinda makes sense because there supposed to be a joke

[raven brook]

N that yeah they're not adding anymore bosses beyond the big three

[split mortar]

I can see an event or miniboss but a full blown boss eh no

[raven brook]

Not really a "joke" per say but they're not meant to be

particularly powerful

[eager bluff]

its the shitmetal it having a boss is just painfully unnecessary

[raven brook]

This is a REALLY good opportunity for me to do something

[graceful warren]

Yeah at least a mini boss

[raven brook]

but should i

Should i do it

[eager bluff]

reign of yharim

go play it

[split mortar]

Yes

[raven brook]

yep go play reign of yharim

[split mortar]

Not even out lmao

[raven brook]

(its not even out yet 😭 )

theres a wulfrum boss there!

[wanton pendant]

Reign of Yharim Super Wulfrum boss confirmed, obviously.

WHAT!?

[split mortar]

Play the not very finished calamity fangame metroidvania

[raven brook]

this motivated me imma code for roy after eating

[graceful warren]

Also question one the hell is the point in that mechanical worm that shows up in caves shows you some ores and than leaves

[raven brook]

you kil it

it drops ores

Idk how that is a lore question byeah

[eager bluff]

go play it

[zenith geode]

draedon mining shit prolly

[graceful warren]

Well lore question because what even is it and why is it there

[eager bluff]

NOW!!!

[raven brook]

It also drops a light pet that shows ores for you so its kind of like a spelunker potion pet

[raven brook]

its a draedon mining tool

[wanton pendant]

It's a mining robot that mines ores.

[raven brook]

It says so in the bestiary

[wanton pendant]

It is there to mine ores.

[raven brook]

Yeah basically lol

mining robot
looks inside
it mines

[graceful warren]

Oh gotcha my bad I never checked the bestiary for it

[scenic olive]

looks inside

circuits

[light linden]

I uh

I thought they were talking about making the sand shark into one?

[long bloom]

it's still gonna be a miniboss

[dusk laurel]

who told you this

[light linden]

...I can't remember

lemme look through messages

crap I remember now

I mixed up stuff with infernum

sorry

[sinful adder]

How do you even kill that thing anyways

[wanton pendant]

I don't know.

[sinful adder]

Does anyone know?

[cedar path]

electric debuffs stun it

locks it in place so you cankill it

[sinful adder]

Do people even use debuffs?

Are they good?

[cedar path]

yes

[raven brook]

Even if they weren't it does have a entirely unique interaction with burrower so

[light linden]

y'know I just had a thought

y'all think draedon ever made any tech similar to the clentaminator?

[agile matrix]

i believe he attempted to use a system similar in terms of the Astral Infection

[wanton pendant]

He mentions them, and is familiar with their operation.
He probably has his own version.

[graceful warren]

Yeah the astral infection was pretty bad

[thick slate]

do you speak in only questions

curious george

[sinful adder]

There are lots of things I want to know and sometimes not a lot I have to say after I get the info

[thick slate]

meow

[brazen coral]

answer my riddles three, and time wasted, it will be

[terse moss]

This is fire actually

[raw nest]

Does Providence have any connection with the underworld or is that only added by infernum?

[flint gulch]

brimstone crags i think

[cedar path]

no provi has no underworld connection that is an infernum thing

[barren badger]

just how powerful would the Terrarian become if we could actually get our grubby little hands on Yharon's auric soul? I know we can't, but just what would happen if we could? Would our respawning basically become a lore accurate ability or how would that work? Just very curious

[hollow pivot]

Providence lived and ascended in the Underworld iIrc.

Unless she and her guardians were alive prior to the Dragon of Flame being banished.

[raw nest]

Depends if we incompletely absorb his soul or do it properly with the terminus

[barren badger]

well, given we can acquire terminus from the abyss way before that point let's say we somehow know how to do it properly and use terminus

[plucky juniper]

a common assumption is that ascending with yharon's soul without the terminus would cause us to be the god of eternity

although lets be real the terrarian would've just instead become the god of pregnancy

[barren badger]

what would that entail? What would the power of "eternity" even be

[raw nest]

[hollow pivot]

So we would have a Soul of Eternity?

[barren badger]

would be crazy

[hollow pivot]

👁️👁️

[plucky juniper]

i guess it would involve immortality somewhere

[barren badger]

anyway yeah let's just assume we can perform a perfect ascension

what would that power give us?

[plucky juniper]

yea lets not consider the possibility of what ive suggested

[raw nest]

Probably still weaker than xeroc but stronger than yharim that’s for sure

[plucky juniper]

well, we'd have to look at yharon
we know what yharon was capable with his powers

[barren badger]

God of pregnancy is just called the Human spirit

[barren badger]

plus what we can do

[plucky juniper]

he can resurrect others, although he seemingly only used this on fellow auric dragons

[barren badger]

given he can self-ressurect, I imagine we would be able to as well

[hollow pivot]

Could Yharon revive beings other than Auric Dragons at the Dragon's Aerie and chose not to; or is he simply unable to revive non-Auric Dragons.

I can see both considering what I know of Yharon.

[barren badger]

plus all the fire, unless that's just a dragon thing

[raw nest]

Look idk how strong xeroc or yharim really is but let’s just say

Xeroc>>>>>yharim>>us>scal/exomechs

[plucky juniper]

and additionally on death he is able to tp his soul to the aerie and, after a period of time resurrect as an egg

so yea

[raw nest]

Absorbing yharon soul perfectly would put us somewhere between xeroc and yharim

[hollow pivot]

I don't think Yharim is that much stronger than the Terrarian.

[plucky juniper]

we'd probably be like that

also for some reason yharon has flame powers

[barren badger]

given we'll beat him at some point, we'll eventually be stronger than him

[barren badger]

isn't he auric attuned with Yharon? Might be why

[raw nest]

I know but he’s still stronger than us currently probably so it’s either Yharim>>us or Yharim>us

[plucky juniper]

I MEANT YHARON

[barren badger]

oh

yeah you said yharon my bad

maybe it has something to do with his rebirth powers making him a "pheonix"? idk

either that or it's just a dragon thing to have fire

[hollow pivot]

I think Yharon was always a Pheonix.

[barren badger]

well yeah, he's the dragon of rebirth- the signature ability of a pheonix

[hollow pivot]

Can Yharon Rebirth Yharim?

[barren badger]

I assume so

given he has the power of the very concept of rebirth, I imagine he might be able to ressurect almost anyone, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to say for certain

[gritty summit]

The golden line in the Yharon whisper. Can that be taken as Yharim raising his voice?

[raw nest]

Yes or atleast giving more emphasis

[barren badger]

you know when people "speak in bold" or with a greater emphasice than usual? I always took it as that

[hollow pivot]

Then why does Yharim say that he'll be dead and will never see Yharon again?

[barren badger]

like him saying Destiny is for the weak.

[gritty summit]

"Destiny is for the weak" is a helluva line.

[barren badger]

perhaps because dragon's may lose their memories of before when they come back? Not sure

[gritty summit]

Because it takes ten full years for an Auric Dragon to be reborn upon the Aerie.

[barren badger]

either that or Yharim knows you will win

[raw nest]

Yes and by then yharim most likely will have died

[gritty summit]

And Yharim is not immortal.

[hollow pivot]

Did you read what I was responding to?

[raw nest]

Unless we can spare him like calamitas which would be super cool

[gritty summit]

He is,in fact,very near death by natural causes.

[barren badger]

come to think of it he is getting pretty old. iirc he's already over 100 years old

[hollow pivot]

Yharim canonically halved the population by the way.

[gritty summit]

He'd already be dead by natural causes if it weren't for medical and magical intervention.

[raw nest]

I believe in second chances.

[barren badger]

we'll be fighting a broken old man. even though he still has all his power intact(according to Calamitas anyway), he is still very old, and that has to have an impact on him somehow

[gritty summit]

When his body finally runs out of juice,I suspect it'll be a very sudden thing.

[hollow pivot]

I'm pretty sure Permafrost actually tried persauding him to stop being all genocidal and it didn't work.

[barren badger]

man dies of a heart attack at the end of the fight lol

[gritty summit]

Permafrost did indeed try to counsel Yharim away from mass murder and genocide. Permafrost stuck with the Crusade for quite some time,chiefly as a governor and statesman.

[barren badger]

I do believe in killing in all the gods, but man didn't have to slaughter millions, if not billions of innocents along the way

[raw nest]

Well ofc he wouldn’t be so easy to convince cuz he tried doing so right in the middle of his campaign but now we can clearly see Yharim is more open to how he is wrong as seen in some lore items

[hollow pivot]

Y'know there were evil dragons?

[barren badger]

kill them too

do like the Terrarian

[gritty summit]

Alright there,Providence.

[barren badger]

kill them all until the only ones that remain are pure

[barren badger]

hey now, I don't wanna destroy the world

only the evil ones in it

[raw nest]

Bro is the second coming of Yharim 🙏

[gritty summit]

Providence is basically the Three Fingers before the Three Fingers.

[barren badger]

providence is just crazy

[raw nest]

Bro is what Calamitas feared we would become 🙏

[barren badger]

I mean lets be honest the Terrarian isn't far off

[gritty summit]

Reduce all to sinless ash.
Burn away all that distinguishes and divides.
Return it all the The One Great.
MAY CHAOS! TAKE! THE WORLD!

[barren badger]

if anything the Terrarian is way more methodical and ruthlessly efficient than Yharim ever was

if Yharim just took the route we did he might've succeeded in killing all the gods other than maybe Xeroc

[gritty summit]

Providence,and her followers,are driven not by madness as most would recognize it. They're driven by suicidal despair.

[barren badger]

true

in the lore item Yharim mentions how their lack of value in their own lives makes them easy to manipulate

[gritty summit]

Their entire believe system is based on the belief that pain is not a cost worth paying in order to live.

This is a very real belief,known as antinatalism.

[raw nest]

That’s why we kill that b because you can’t force that belief on others

[gritty summit]

She doesn't.

[barren badger]

to be fair she isn't forcing it on anyone

she is just manipulating those who have that viewpoint

granted

idk how you get manipulated by a giant flaming rock

[hollow pivot]

Apart from burning people to death.

“I'm not forcing you to agree with me, I'm only forcing you to die.”

[raw nest]

she still wants to burn everything so it’s basically forcing it

[gritty summit]

She genuinely rallied all of the suicidal depressives she could into a legion of people who are willing to kill everything to accomplish her goal of a sinless reality.

[barren badger]

then again she probably has a Human form like Silva and I imagine most gods do

[hollow pivot]

No gods lose their human forms as they let power corrupt them.

[barren badger]

either that or her manipulation boils down to "listen or die"

[hollow pivot]

Providence is only that rock ash and fire monstrosity we see.

[barren badger]

isn't Silva's official concept art mostly Human?

[gritty summit]

Providence isn't forcing her beliefs on anybody. She's just enforcing her objectives on the world.
Ultimately,she didn't violate the sanctity of sapience.
Damned by faint praise.

[raw nest]

Do you guy know why most elementals are feminine?

[hollow pivot]

Silva is an elemental and didn't let her powers corrupt her afaIk.

[barren badger]

no idea, because devs want them to be?

[hollow pivot]

I think it might've been Fabsol.

[barren badger]

wait really? I thought she was a Human who consumed an auric soul via perfect ascension like Xeroc?

[gritty summit]

Nope.

Elemental of Nature.

Which is why she couldn't be killed.

[barren badger]

interesting

[raw nest]

Nah nah I swear it’s both of those

I literally just read the lore document 3 weeks ago

[gritty summit]

Which is why she was yote into the Abyss after Yharim pulped her.

An Elemental cannot be killed unless everything on the planet within their sphere ceases to exist.

[barren badger]

you know the funny part is that wouldn't have happened if he understood he could consume her essence before he did that

he mentions it in a lore item

[gritty summit]

So... good fucking luck killing Silva without annihilating all life and all habitats on the planet.

[hollow pivot]

I thought you can't consume Elementals, only weaken them immensely as shown with Brimstone Elemental?

[barren badger]

iirc as long as it's a god it can be consumed

[raw nest]

Then what happens once we defeat brimstone elemental in game

[gritty summit]

Basically,you'd have to strip the planet down to its mantle,and remove the atmosphere,if you want to kill Silva.

[gritty summit]

I presume only the divine essence can be consumed.

[barren badger]

is that how that works? I thought elementals could be killed because they aren't part of that concept, like Anahita

[hollow pivot]

Brimstone Elemental should be restoring itself but is rather slow at it.

[gritty summit]

So,you'd strip Silva of her God of Life status,but leave her as the Elemental of Nature.

[spare pier]

You can actually theoretically consume anything's soul, it'd just be dogshit lmao

[barren badger]

Anahita would only die if the oceans ceased to exist but it seems to me like we kill her

[spare pier]

Not worth it at all

[hollow pivot]

She can't be Elemental of Nature if you destroy the planet, Vegeta-Style.

[gritty summit]

Elementals can be beaten up and forced into a dormant state.

[barren badger]

true, even though Draedon's soul testing wasn't consumption, it did show any souls are malleable

[hollow pivot]

You can destroy an elemental but it will slowly bring itself back.

[barren badger]

interesting

so what you're saying is

[raw nest]

Chaos elemental canon or nah?

[gritty summit]

Also,technically,Sand Elementals and Cloud Elementals aren't proper elementals. They're pieces of greater wholes,the (True) Earth Elemental and Air Elemental.

[spare pier]

Because like if you consume a strong person's soul all you get is a slight increase in power and like I guess some of their memories? But then congrats you now have acute schizophrenia

[gritty summit]

Explicitly not.

[barren badger]

as long as I'm an immortal elf(which don't exist in Calamity unless they truly believe in the "terrarian lore is your own to make") I can just beat up elementals over and over again

how fun

[spare pier]

Huh wha

[gritty summit]

Fun fact: Silva spent multiple stints in the Abyss.

[raw nest]

Modulo yuji ahh goals

[spare pier]

No Chaos Elementals are canon they're just like different

[gritty summit]

Lore doc mentions that Chaos Elementals aren't real elementals.

[raw nest]

Spawn camping 🙏

[barren badger]

basically

makes you wonder

[spare pier]

Every Elemental you see ingame is technically a real one except Chaos Elementals

[barren badger]

does Calamity believe in the "Terrarian lore is your own to make", to an extent?

[hollow pivot]

I would personally just jettison the corpse of Silva into space.

[spare pier]

Yeah that's what we go with

Do whatever ya want

[hollow pivot]

Then how do we get a Rod of Chaos that uses Primordial Light?

[barren badger]

then you have an astral infection but silva style problem

[gritty summit]

Also: exactly two people carried out Perfect Ascension Rituals. Xeroc and Silva. How Silva done this is unknown.

[raw nest]

Does this mean given enough time my interpretation of the terrarian will out scale xeroc

[spare pier]

@split mortar deploy the image

[barren badger]

must have used Terminus or some other artifact I imagine

[hollow pivot]

She's some other solar system's problem though.

[spare pier]

No bro Chaos Elementals are canon

[gritty summit]

Since you need the Terminus,which is one of a kind,to carry this out. Which is explicitly Xeroc's property,which he yote into the Abyss specifically so it wouldn't be misused.

[spare pier]

They just ain't real elementals

They're something else

[barren badger]

true. I'm sure Draedon will take care of it once he actually gets out of our solar system. He does have the technology to do so, and the resources

[hollow pivot]

Are they like EoL leeching the Primordial Light?

[raw nest]

Holy vaguepost

[spare pier]

They're like

[gritty summit]

So,this raises the question: How did Silva get her mitts on the Terminus,and how did Xeroc get it back without murdering her?

[spare pier]

I mean yeah it's just a misnomer really

[hollow pivot]

Silva Xeroc divorce theory. She got it when the possessions got split.

[gritty summit]

Either Silva stole it,which is... vanishingly likely. Or,Xeroc loaned it to her for some reaosn. Which is also vanishingly likely.

[spare pier]

Elementals are manifestation of the elements, Chaos Elementals are also manifestations of the environment but since the environment they're manifestations of is a bunch of jumbled fucked up god nonsense they're also just jumbled and fucked up

[raw nest]

W answer

[barren badger]

would be peak tho. Hence why I'm annoyed we'll never be allowed to kill Xeroc 💀 That big bum is unfortunately safe due to out-of-verse interference. Lucky bastard

[hollow pivot]

Why do Chaos Elementals look like bald inverted smurfs?

[raw nest]

Ask relogic

[gritty summit]

I think Chaos Elementals were meant to look like humanoid masses of energy.

[spare pier]

Idk

[gritty summit]

Jury's out on if they succeeded.

[raw nest]

Given enough time could azafure be rebuilt?

[barren badger]

I imagine anything can be rebuilt

[spare pier]

I mean if you want to make that your Terrarian's post-game goal sure thing then

[barren badger]

just ask Draedon

[raw nest]

Yesssiirr

[gritty summit]

I mean,it's a city parked right under the God of Life's regeneration pod. You just need people willing to put in the work.

[raw nest]

Well would it be possible to bring back azafurians?

[barren badger]

Draedon can rebuild the sulphur sea, so someone can definitely rbuild azafure

the only problem would be finding new people to inhabit it

[gritty summit]

Azafurians were just people who lived in Azafure.

Rebuild it,move people in,bam. Azafurians.

[spare pier]

What azafurians they fucking dead bro

[barren badger]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-17640294432761192580

[raw nest]

Exactly but they have distinctive traits like grey skin

[hollow pivot]

Does Noxus/The Distortion have anything to do with the moon?

[raw nest]

there’s one exception.

[barren badger]

hey now

[gritty summit]

Which happened over generations of adaptation. Evolution.

[barren badger]

Calamitas is still around

[spare pier]

I mean jokes aside there are a bunch of azafurians still alive around the worls

[gritty summit]

A natural process that can and will happen again if you rebuild Azafure.

[barren badger]

was supposed to be "LETS GOOO"

headcanon Xeroc's death and his yummy auric soul post game

[hollow pivot]

Will we be able to fight them?

[spare pier]

Melon's haunted

I meant to say moon

[raw nest]

Alright but ignoring calamitas my question is if it’s possible to get humans to evolve into azafurians again if they lived there long enough

[spare pier]

But that's funnier

[gritty summit]

The moon was just the prison of Fovos. The Moon Lord is the shattered remains of Fovos.

[raw nest]

In my hypothetical rebuilt azafure

[hollow pivot]

Who is haunting the moon then?

[gritty summit]

The Auric Dragons broke their arm doing that to Fovos and sealing it away.

[barren badger]

I imagine so. They'd be a little different

but we did it once, we can do it again

[spare pier]

That ain't how evolution works man

[raw nest]

Nooooooo

[barren badger]

makes you wonder how many others like Fovos there are out there

[agile matrix]

i am curious

[hollow pivot]

Who gave Terraria a soul?

[gritty summit]

Considering the scale of a universe? Beyond number.

[agile matrix]

just killed ML so i was rereading it

[barren badger]

and given we don't know how high Xeroc scales it could be possible Fovos, or others like it, could invade Terraria without Xeroc being able to stop them

[agile matrix]

"When the Light Dragon was fading [more text]..."

[barren badger]

especially given most dragons, and gods, are dead

[agile matrix]

is this a literal or a metaphor

did Zeratros genuinely get dimmer (lightwise) when he died

[barren badger]

so the only ones around to defend Terraria are the Terrarian, Draedon(not like he'd care), Calamitas, Xeroc, and Yharim(until we kill him)

[gritty summit]

Bare minimum,he's equal to the Supreme Dragon (Whose name I forget) at his zenith.
Or,perhaps,his nadir,considering when he stole the soul.

[raw nest]

Draedon would care if it threatens his research

[spare pier]

Honestly I never thought about that but that's funny af

[agile matrix]

it was interesting in passingby

[barren badger]

and that's not even counting how Calamitas will eventually die, Draedon will move on eventually once he's done with terraria, Yharim will be dead, and the Terrarian may or may not be dead depending on your personal lore

[agile matrix]

since the dragon of primordial light was also probably using some of it or just was glowy

[hollow pivot]

Xeroc upscales Noxus who is => Fovos who is > Zeratros (Supreme Dragon)

[gritty summit]

Draedon is wholly incapable of morality and ethics. He's objective driven to the utmost extreme. And his objective is science and engineering. If he believes he can evacuate his work,he probably will.

[agile matrix]

so when he died, its entirely possible his grave was very dark

[barren badger]

does Noxus really scale over Fovos?

[spare pier]

The Moon Lord is generally stronger than Noxus imo

[agile matrix]

isnt fovos like

[spare pier]

Noxus is scary for other reasons

[agile matrix]

noxus's kid

[barren badger]

I'm pretty sure if Fovos is stronger than Zeratros he's far more powerful than Noxus

[spare pier]

Nooooo man

[raw nest]

W fovos upscale

[barren badger]

granted I don't know the new lore on Noxus

[spare pier]

Like ok I don't care but like no they ain't related

Idk if this isn't confirmed but them being related is soooooo lame

[hollow pivot]

There's no lore on Noxus apart from he strong and he exist and prolly controls distortion.

[barren badger]

fair

[spare pier]

Like we never doing that I'd kill someone if that happened

[barren badger]

agreed

[agile matrix]

i mean i mentally envision the distortion existing bc of noxus

[hollow pivot]

I expect to know more about Noxus in the Distortion update.

[agile matrix]

but idk if thats or

[raw nest]

Coming in 2036

[hollow pivot]

Which person?

[gritty summit]

Isn't Noxus the intelligence of the Distortion's gestalt intelligence?

[barren badger]

of course it's good to note we don't know how large the distortion is, so Fovos's Celestial domains, whatever they are(whole planets? idk) could be larger

[spare pier]

Multiple probably

[agile matrix]

i mentally think Fovos doesnt really have like. A Galaxy but instead kinda does the uh

[barren badger]

so whether Noxus made it or not, we don't know how far Fovos's reach extended before we killed it

[eager bluff]

it wasnt like hard confirmed but we could extrapolate

[agile matrix]

whats the thing

[gritty summit]

gives Roxy a butcher's block shaped like a bust of Julius Caesar

[agile matrix]

brood parasite

[hollow pivot]

Solar System?

[agile matrix]

he shows up, does shit, leaves stuff behind, and then Leaves

[barren badger]

I'm assuming Fovos's celestial domains are probably planets with intelligent creatures like terraria that he's taken over

[raw nest]

Roxy since your here can you answer why Calamitas is so powerful? Like all she’s using is brimstone magic. Why does it allow her to be on par with beings like Yharon?

[barren badger]

we don't know

[eager bluff]

her brimstone magic is really fucking good

[barren badger]

in draedon's text he talks about how we know it's not natural

[agile matrix]

midichlorians

[barren badger]

she gets her brimstone magic from some unnatural source, but nobody knows where it comes from other than it being identical to Brimstone E's

[hollow pivot]

Calamitas got most of the Brimstone Elemental's power when I believe the Brimstone Elemental was the strongest Elemental.

[gritty summit]

All we do know is that Calamitas (Not her real name,it's a callsign) is so hideously powerful with Brimstone magic that she has little control over it. So little control that she can't do anything complex or fine with it. Just big fat blasts.

[eager bluff]

its implied she stole at least most of it from brimmy during their fight

[agile matrix]

she got refraction cells that when brimmy attmepted to blast them they absorbed it and said "im now Calamitas and i am Evil"

and then blew up all of spain

[terse moss]

Do we know anything about Xeroc's mental state after ascending? Like do we know what being the guy has done to him or his psyche? Does he still think like a human at all?

[hollow pivot]

Wildmagic Sorcerer Gameplay:

[terse moss]

true

[eager bluff]

we dont know the mechanism for this but thats the implication

[eager bluff]

no

[raw nest]

So is full power brimstone elemental as strong as yharon?

[barren badger]

she literally can't do small spells or complex spells since, according to Draedon, she's not actually smart enough to use complex spells + with her overflowing power she can't control them anyway

[terse moss]

😔

[spare pier]

That's not really a thing btw like idk what ya really talking about tho

[eager bluff]

probably

[eager bluff]

thats clone

[barren badger]

celestial pillars

[eager bluff]

not actual calamitas

[raw nest]

Like why is brimstone so powerful? What makes it more powerful than the other elements?

[spare pier]

The Pillars are something else

[barren badger]

that's draedon's dialogue about actual calamitas

the clone is an experiment that calamitas broke free of the lab and seemingly gave some power to

[gritty summit]

The mod makes a distinction between sulfur and brimstone,for starters.

[barren badger]

I was reading draedon's dialogue earlier XD

[spare pier]

They are shit the Moon Lord made after stealing the auric souls from some dragons

[agile matrix]

the pillars are celestial poop actually i thought this was devised by their bestiary entry

[barren badger]

I see

[raw nest]

I was wondering about that 😭

[barren badger]

very interesting

[spare pier]

Vortex is Storm, Nebula is Mind, Stardust is Life and Solar is Light

[gritty summit]

Hol' up.

[hollow pivot]

So y'know how Calamitas stole Brimstone Elemental's power, Calamitas Clone stole a bit of Calamitas' power.
Could the Terrarian have gotten some of Calamitas' power?

[hollow pivot]

Primordial Light?

[terse moss]

Is solar at all related to the primordial light

[terse moss]

lol

[agile matrix]

mind is 100% dead

[barren badger]

we don't know if it stole or was given

[spare pier]

Ayup

[gritty summit]

If the Stardust Pillar is the Life Auric Soul,how did Silva become the God of Life!?

[agile matrix]

the others got majorly wounded

[spare pier]

They don't get 100% snagged

[barren badger]

in draedon's text he states that Calamitas broke the clone out of the lab, and then it mysteriously got some of her power

so she could've given some to it

[raw nest]

New “help” dialogue from calamitas in an incoming update.

Allows you to shoot brimstone fireballs that fizzle out instantly due to our inexperience in wielding it 🙏

[hollow pivot]

Wait, both Perfect Ascensions were used on dragons that were missing a portion of their soul to Fovos.

[spare pier]

Like the Moon Lord can rip the soul out of a dragon completely and that'd just kill the fucker but he didn't get all of it from Storm, Life and Light

Maybe Mind

[barren badger]

this is also straight from Draedon'sa dialogue

[agile matrix]

itd be like if i cut off your legs

[spare pier]

Leaving that open because maybe we'll want to make a god out of it

[eager bluff]

wasnt the whole soul
storm soul went into otonilou one of the patron deities of ilmeris
mind soul idk
nature soul went into silva
light soul went into xeroc

[gritty summit]

Instantly kills the player,because a well-intentioned attempt at a power infusion just pops the Terrarian like a septic boil.

[agile matrix]

you're still gonna be alive (for a bit) but you are still missing your legs

[spare pier]

But if that never happens consider that Mind got killed for good

[barren badger]

I'm curious at what the power of a "mind dragon" or "mind god" would be like

then again

probably psychic abilities like Nebula

[agile matrix]

would the god of mind be the god of intellect or the god of knowledge

[spare pier]

One idea we had was that the guy could like, make telepathic networks and shi

[hollow pivot]

Can the Terrarian take the Lunar Fragments and create a soul fragment?

[eager bluff]

depends on who ascended

[agile matrix]

or would it be a third more sinister* thing
*minds

[spare pier]

Part of why the Moon Lord killed it

[raw nest]

Wait is goozma canon?

[gritty summit]

I find it interesting that the guy who stole the Auric Soul of Death became the God of (Self) Sacrifice.

[spare pier]

Disabling the communication of the dragons and all that

[eager bluff]

not really i think

[hollow pivot]

Fovos might lowk be intelligent.

[eager bluff]

no

[barren badger]

now this is an interesting idea. Imagine the Terrarian makes a frankenstein mix-match soul

[zenith geode]

in super ancient lore yeah but it got ship of theseused into noxus

[gritty summit]

No longer.

[spare pier]

Nah

[zenith geode]

they tried that and it turned out real horrible

[barren badger]

given he has a huge brain and staged a deliberate invasion, yeah I imagine so

[hollow pivot]

Then what are the Lunar Fragments?

[agile matrix]

yharim would love this fovos guy

outside of

yknow

[spare pier]

Not how that works + the fragments are all jumbled up and fucked by the Moon Lord's own power

[zenith geode]

turns out having several souls vying for control over one body makes a very unpleasant experience

[hollow pivot]

Sperm Whales have massive brains but humans (On average) are smarter.

[agile matrix]

they put a fly brain in a computer

[hollow pivot]

So they have a bit of Fovos' power?

[spare pier]

Not a bit they're like

[barren badger]

depending on the category of intelligence. as far as I know they are more emotionally intelligent than Humans, but due to their lack of hands they failed to develop intellectual intelligence on par with ours

[spare pier]

Mostly his shit

[hollow pivot]

Why don't we eat the fragments?

[spare pier]

Like the Moon Lord doesn't just snatch the auric souls

[barren badger]

for one they probably taste terrible

imagine eating a "solar" fragment

[spare pier]

He gets them and completely twists them until they can be controlled by him

[barren badger]

burn the hell out of your mouth

[raw nest]

Roxy can you answer why Calamitas is so powerful even though she’s simply just using brimstone magic. Like why does it allow her to be on par with beings like Yharon?

[spare pier]

Hence the "dominate" part

[agile matrix]

Crunch SFX

[spare pier]

The Moon Lord's power is to claim and dominate souls

[hollow pivot]

What does that mean?

[spare pier]

First he snatches it from you and then he makes it completely irrecognizable while still keeping the useful bits

[gritty summit]

The status messages for attempting to use multiple permanent boost items suggests that attempting to consume a Pillar Fragment or a fragment of Yharon's Soul would probably be immediately fatal to the Terrarian.

[barren badger]

imagine your soul get ripped out of your body

then you try to resist but he warps your soul until you can't

[agile matrix]

im not making my comment.
he takes the souls (he needs 6) to become God

[eager bluff]

he can call dibs on your soul and he has the power to make sure you cant get it back

[hollow pivot]

Wait we can eat soul fragments.

[agile matrix]

then you fight him in a multistage bossfight

[agile matrix]

not too many though

[spare pier]

So like the fragments while based on auric souls just ain't the real thing anymore ya get it?

[agile matrix]

(our brain would leave our head/we would be rejected)

[barren badger]

probably so. We may be ungodly strong, strong enough to kill almost the strongest of gods(or maybe even Xeroc the strongest depending on your post game headcanon), but we are still a mortal(or immortal depending on your lore) limited by our body

[gritty summit]

And I'm 99% sure that respawning isn't canon.

[hollow pivot]

More souls.

[gritty summit]

You pop like a spetic boil,you stay popped like a septic boil.

[spare pier]

Also I ain't answering this but "just Brimstone Magic" isn't really a good way of putting this

[barren badger]

that might also depend on your personal headcanon, but I assume not

[gritty summit]

The Souls of Might/Fright/Sight are mortal souls.

[eager bluff]

ethereal core we probably dont eat

[hollow pivot]

So he more takes the domain rather than the Auric itself?

[gritty summit]

Specifically,they're the souls of Yharim's greatest and most loyal soldiers,who volunteered their souls for Draedon's work.

[barren badger]

kinda feel bad for Roxy having to answer like 4 people at the same time XD

[spare pier]

No, he takes the soul and then mangles it to a comical degree to the point where it's not even the same thing even if it keeps the same properties

[hollow pivot]

It's closer to 6-7 people.

[barren badger]

true

[spare pier]

It's fineeeeeeee I'm used to this

[gritty summit]

The Ruinous Souls and Necroplasm are also mortal souls. The souls of the people who died in the Dragon Cult's dungeons in a state of rage,despair,and madness.

[barren badger]

I would love to be in a lead lore writer position- except for this part XD

[eager bluff]

like look at it that thing is a rock unless your terrarian is a complete fucking idiot like mine is they wont eat that

[barren badger]

who says mine isn't an idiot

[spare pier]

I'd gobble the shit out of that rock

[gritty summit]

The Terrarian is many things.
A lithovore is probably not one of them.

[raw nest]

What do you want me to do? Idk what else to call “Brimstone Fireblasts” or “Brimstone Gigablasts” 😭🙏

[barren badger]

says who

[spare pier]

Mmmmmmm yummy rock in my tummy

[hollow pivot]

Which rock?

[spare pier]

No I mean like

Downplaying her shit as too basic to be that strong

[plucky juniper]

roxy before i say something uninformed and stupid regarding this conversation
how do domains work? could normal people channel even a shred of a domain like how the empress of light does it

[agile matrix]

system contines

[hollow pivot]

Does this count as anything Auric or is this just OP rock?

[gritty summit]

A lightning bolt is "just electricity."
It still rends an ancient tree in half on a good day. Drops a human stone dead.

[gritty summit]

Ancient fossilized bark.

[agile matrix]

rock empowered by Providence i guess

[hollow pivot]

The Divine Geode is literally highlighted.

[eager bluff]

look my headcanon to explain frost and pumpkin moon is food poisoning from trying to eat the pumpkin moon medallion and a concussion from putting the naughty present on your head and running into a wall there are no rules

[raw nest]

I’m assuming you’re not gonna clarify this because we’re told by others like Draedon that they also don’t know why she’s so powerful?

[barren badger]

one thing I like about Hunt of the Old God is how we can actually consume Yharon and Goozma's auric soul, but that begs a question for Roxy; if we could actually do that, is consuming and controlling multiple auric souls possible? Like say for example if one day Xeroc was like "you know I wanna be god of everything" then went around and collecting souls, could he actually eat them all and control them?

[spare pier]

Domains are more cheat codes than like restricted powers ngl, even if they have their own quirks and give you some juicy benefits for having them

[plucky juniper]

the sauropod eating stones so he can eat plants better

[hollow pivot]

Also Uelibloom is getting DESTROYed.

[plucky juniper]

also i just learned that gastroliths can be found in seals too

so ya

[eager bluff]

no

[plucky juniper]

we gastrolithing in this economy

ANYHOW

[spare pier]

Like the thing that makes domains so powerful is that like take Providence as an example

A normal person would have to spend years or even decades to have the control over fire that she does

[barren badger]

like could you just gobble them all down?

[hollow pivot]

Roxy what is Divine Geode?

[barren badger]

I think Yharim has consumed a few altered ones based on his lopre item

[gritty summit]

You lose some of yourself with every Auric Soul you assimilate. It takes the place of part of your natural soul. You very rapidly reach a state where you cease being a creature,and start being physics.

[barren badger]

well that's not so bad

if you're physics no one can hurt you

[spare pier]

Meanwhile all she did was get the Auric Soul of Flame and she pretty much knew how to cast pyromancy perfectly and never really had to bother learning it

[gritty summit]

By becoming physics,you die in every way that matters.

[plucky juniper]

~~im only saying this so i can justify an idea for an extra class based around channeling domains to conjure some spells or something ~~

[eager bluff]

consuming an auric soul is right at the limit of stable souls, getting a second will start to fuck with you, a third you will probably start melting, fourth is auric polterghast tier, 5th is when you explode

[plucky juniper]

5th?

[barren badger]

well that depends on your perspective now doesn't it?

[spare pier]

Some Domains are like exclusive tho, like Rebirth

Yharon is the only person in the entire planet who can do that

[plucky juniper]

is this the reason why we only have four pillars?

[hollow pivot]

So it's like Sorcerers in D&D?

[spare pier]

Idk

[long bloom]

also life and death i assume?

[plucky juniper]

wait what does that mean

[spare pier]

That's just necromancy and biomancy

[long bloom]

hm

[gritty summit]

Your ego ceases to exist,for starters. You cease thinking. Cease feeling. You cease acting. Your soul is gone,replaced with a mishmash of aspects.

[spare pier]

I suppose that like

[plucky juniper]

does that mean that, even if i absorbed his soul with a terminus, i couldnt somehow control the domain of rebirth?

[long bloom]

i wouldn't call having control over death necromancy

[barren badger]

speaking of pillars, assuming the Terrarian could get their hands on an ability similar to Fovos's, theoretically we could grab and control every auric soul by not directly consuming it ourselves

[eager bluff]

nobody else can rebirth without that soul

[long bloom]

it's more like reversing death

[gritty summit]

And because of the corruptive nature of this power,and the transformative effects of Auric Souls,your body ceases to be.

[hollow pivot]

Would it be called “Rebiomancy”?

[spare pier]

Ok no I meant "the wielder of rebirth"

[light linden]

Hey you got a moment for a question?

[plucky juniper]

ah i get that

fair

[spare pier]

But like

[terse moss]

Are the gods in calamity sentient?

[long bloom]

eha

[barren badger]

much like Fovos did with 4 auric souls(pieces of them anyway) and maybe even more if they were destroyed

[terse moss]

Or are they basically just killable laws of nature

[eager bluff]

yes

[long bloom]

they're all people

[gritty summit]

By consuming too many Auric Souls,you basically fail the Psijic Endeavour and Zero-Sum out of the Godhead,to borrow an Elder Scrolls analogy.

[hollow pivot]

Wait the only person in the planet? Clearly this means that there rebirthers outside the planet.

[long bloom]

except rav but he's special

[light linden]

are you referring to the elementals?

those are the laws of nature ones

[terse moss]

Either honestly

[eager bluff]

welcome to misinterpretation station

[scenic olive]

whats a domain from auric souls even do

[barren badger]

well you know how it is, becoming a big angry flesh golem

[plucky juniper]

"Hey you got a moment for a question?", the crowd of lorecorders all continously say to Roxy:

[gritty summit]

Each and every one was once a mortal person (With the notable exception of Silva) who stole the magnificently powerful Auric Soul of a dragon.

[scenic olive]

what is a domain

[spare pier]

Some domains can maybe let you do shit that no one else would be able to do but generally they're more like cheat codes that let you have complete mastery over something in a fraction of the time needed

[barren badger]

every day experience

[hollow pivot]

Elementals and gods are completely different.

It's like saying a carrot is a fruit because it's orange like pumpkin.

[long bloom]

what the fuck did xeroc need 800 years of training for then

[gritty summit]

Silva,the God of Life,was the Nature Elemental before she stole the Auric Soul of Life.

[eager bluff]

elementals depend, at least one of them is sapient but the others are a lot more unclear

[spare pier]

And y'know also make you live for much longer

[scenic olive]

[light linden]

from what I understand the elementals are sapient but also have an overwhelming urge to spread their domain

[hollow pivot]

What're we misinterpreting today?

[terse moss]

Wait, so they control the aspect as in have mastery over it, not control it as in control it

[light linden]

which leads to them being violent

[barren badger]

there's plenty of things being the god of light wouldn't make you understand XD

[scenic olive]

so like jjk innate domains?

[spare pier]

[scenic olive]

[light linden]

Roxy

[raw nest]

I’m crine

[spare pier]

Shoot your question Thunder

[hollow pivot]

Because he wants to upscale Goku.

[light linden]

have you put any thought into what the civilizations of the heartlands might've eaten?

[raw nest]

The only answer

[spare pier]

But also this is less black and white than it seems and it's a case by case scenario

[long bloom]

disgusting meat

[spare pier]

It entirely depends on the civilization

[light linden]

ik it does

[spare pier]

Ilmeris ain't gonna eat the same thing as Azafure

[light linden]

but I'm asking if you've thought about it at all for any civilization

[long bloom]

disgusting meat is universal

[spare pier]

But like in a case by case yeah

[barren badger]

also I was just thinking, what if the Terrarian ascended beyond being a "standard" mortal. Theoretically in the real world self-genetic modification is possible, so I wonder if that could influence how your body and soul handles auric souls. Alternatively if you could get your hands on an ability like Fovos's you could theoretically dominate several souls then either consume them directly or control them remotely

[spare pier]

Ilmeris would obviously eat fish

[light linden]

ngl

[spare pier]

And Azafure Potatoes are funny

[hollow pivot]

Who're “Heartlands”?

[barren badger]

area the game takes place in

[light linden]

I expected them to have a thing similar to the wood elves from TES

[gritty summit]

Ash yams.

[long bloom]

the main continent

[light linden]

where they don't want to consume stuff they're related to

[hollow pivot]

Do we have any other names?

[long bloom]

ilmerians eating seafood is like humans eating mammals

[raw nest]

is it explained anywhere why amidias is inside the giant clam?

[barren badger]

well many fish eat other fish so it's not a stretch

[gritty summit]

Nope!

[barren badger]

...good question, why is he in there?

[gritty summit]

The lore document even lists him as a minor character.

[hollow pivot]

It's definitely Indiana Jones Fridge logic.

[long bloom]

the actual name is whatever you name your terraria world but the standardized name is the heartlands

[light linden]

what about ash yams, coffee, taro, and bananas?

[gritty summit]

The man's basically a spook at this point.

[barren badger]

also Roxy is this technically true or am I missing some details

[spare pier]

Like what I mean by this is that like

Some domains might give you unique abilities no one else is capable of using, some domains are just gonna give you mastery over something, etc etc

The only general rule I think all domains have is that using the domain in question is completely free and does not tax the user in any way, so for example Providence could just cast an endless stream of fire forever

[terse moss]

Do the gods simply have expertise in their domains, or do the properly control them on a more generalized, abstract level

[raw nest]

Must’ve been like a steamer in there while Calamitas was smoking the place up 😭

[light linden]

the former fits because funny and the latter 3 fit because those are plants grown in volcanic areas

[terse moss]

Like could xerox stop light from moving to someone and blind them, or turn invisible

[long bloom]

very good question

[gritty summit]

Something like this would need advanced muckery with the soul. I doubt it'd be possible within the timeframe presented by the game. The soul isn't genetics,so CRISPR can't apply. Comsuming souls is basically playing Ship of Theseus with your own soul,with very tangible and immediate results.

[long bloom]

then why doesn't she

[terse moss]

Neat

[hollow pivot]

His domain is Primordial light.
Not light in general afaIk.

[plucky juniper]

well then why didnt provid do that on my sorry ass

[light linden]

primordial light is sunlight

[plucky juniper]

such stupidity clearly deserves death

[long bloom]

not all light is sunlight

[terse moss]

Or like another example is the flame dragon not being able to stop heat in general

[gritty summit]

Fun fact: Terraria is a geocentric system!

[light linden]

correct

[hollow pivot]

Primordial Light is usually sunlight, but in Xeroc and Zeratros' case it's the full, concentrated, power, of the SUN.

[barren badger]

that is true, but given Draedon was able to experiment with souls to a semi-successful degree, I'd like to believe it may be possible to an extent to modify or "strengthen" ones own soul, either that or acquire an ability like Fovos's

[gritty summit]

Well,considering that soul was stolen by Providence,the Profaned Goddess of Ash...

[spare pier]

This goes into how magic works in Calamity but like, basically there are two types of magic in Calamity, either you are creating something or you're controlling it, as per my last post gods can do both of these for free

[terse moss]

Does that mean Xeroc can do at will fusion

[long bloom]

the sun is literally just a giant ball of light

[hollow pivot]

🤷‍♂️

[terse moss]

Infinite nuke beam

[raw nest]

Which magic does Calamitas’s magic fall under?

And permafrost too

[barren badger]

the sun in Calamity is magical, not made by fusion iirc

[terse moss]

He just kills you

[terse moss]

😔

[hollow pivot]

It's a star, mostly plasma afaIk.

[gritty summit]

His experiments were purely to see if souls could be power supplies for machinery. When the machines demonstrtated full free will because of their power supply,he abandoned the field.

[terse moss]

Well at least he still has hyper beam

[long bloom]

not in calamity

[spare pier]

Can be both, they're not exclusive

[barren badger]

even more magical than other mana stars, it's made of primordial light

[spare pier]

They're complementary types of magic

[hollow pivot]

Since when?

[terse moss]

When he does come out I want the most glorious beam attack ever put to screen

[long bloom]

2023

[spare pier]

Skilled mages should be able to use both at the same time

[plucky juniper]

xeroc looks at nameless deity doing the awesome quasar attack, and then thinks, "hmm, surely i can do that too"

[barren badger]

true, but if he kept going there may have been different results. It's also good to consider Calamitas being able to ressurect her brothers via their "spirits" which I assume are there souls

[spare pier]

Because they have their upsides and downsides

[terse moss]

🤔 xeroc considering the untapped potential of a neutron star

[barren badger]

they must be some manner of soul manipulation when we consider this, perhaps even of ones own soul

[plucky juniper]

actually knowing how stars are different in calamity

[spare pier]

Creating something is obviously much more taxing on the user, but controlling it is far less versatile

[gritty summit]

She directly says they're cruel and pale imitations of the genuine articles.

[terse moss]

Yharon should be able to stop other people from reincarnating out of spite

Like if he personally dislikes them

[gritty summit]

Necromancy is a very imperfect art. Just ask the God of Sacrifices.

[barren badger]

true, but that doesn't mean that's the limit

[barren badger]

that's much like saying carving with a single tool is the best you can do when you could invent many other tools to help with the task

[long bloom]

yeah how does rebirthing work
is it like a conscious decision or automatic

[terse moss]

I assume he never “dies” and just kinda regenerates

[spare pier]

As a general rule of thumb Necromancy can never be perfect in Calamity

[terse moss]

Like your body healing from a cut

[spare pier]

You can never actually revive someone

[long bloom]

i meant for the other dragons

[terse moss]

Oh idk

[barren badger]

unless you're Yharon of course

[terse moss]

Can they do that

[spare pier]

In most part because otherwise that just makes Yharon's domain obsolete lmao

[hollow pivot]

Because the wielder is imperfect or just because it sucks?

[terse moss]

Why doesn’t yharon revive the dragons of the gods they killed

[spare pier]

Because Necromancy simply doesn't work like that

[long bloom]

it just sucks

[barren badger]

probably because their souls have been devoured like cereal.

[hollow pivot]

They have no souls that he can revive properly.

[spare pier]

Necromancy can't bring back the dead

[terse moss]

lol

[barren badger]

kinda hard to bring someone who's soul doesn't exist back

[terse moss]

🤨

[barren badger]

it's like bringing back a fart- it's already faded and gone so that's not gonna happen

[hollow pivot]

Nercomany is more like corpse-control in Calamity.

[spare pier]

All it lets you do is control the body and certain branches allow you to put a soul into a vessel

[raw nest]

Well it partly can right? Because of catastrophe and cataclysm?

[long bloom]

😭

[gritty summit]

Necromancy was developed by mortals in an attempt to mimic the power of Yharon. It's mortals,without the benefit of tremendous primordial power,attempting to recreate said tremendous primordial power.
Ever watch Wakfu? It's like Nox trying to turn back time.

[barren badger]

is modification of one's own soul theoretically possible?

[gritty summit]

The power simply doesn't exist without Yharon's soul backing it up.

[spare pier]

Yeah, I mean technically that's basically what ascension is

[long bloom]

yeah

[spare pier]

But also generally that's like

[hollow pivot]

So can we put Yharim's soul in a random body?

[terse moss]

But fire didn’t cease to exist once flame became ash

[spare pier]

Not a very useful thing to do

[barren badger]

I mean without consuming an auric soul. I'm pondering the idea of if it would somehow be possible to consume multiple, or maybe even every auric soul while still retaining your identity, even if you have to modify yourself to do so

[spare pier]

Nah that ain't how they work

Souls in general, not just auric souls

[gritty summit]

Perhaps I wasn't specific enough.
There isn't enough potential energy in the universe to perform a true resurrection without Yharon's soul to back it up.

[terse moss]

I think someone who could do that would be the closest thing to a capital G God. Like someone who has the full soul of the world

[hollow pivot]

Do you have to change body during ascension?

[long bloom]

after about 3 auric souls you turn into polterghast

[terse moss]

So he is a cheat code

Like quantum tunneling kinda

[gritty summit]

Which is why I used Nox as a specific similar example.

[terse moss]

A really really beefy polterghast lol

Imagine that monstrosity running around

[barren badger]

would it be possible to consume multiple, or maybe even every one of them? What would happen? I keep seeing people tell me you'd basically become polterghast but I'm getting mixed messages. If not naturally, would it possible to do so in an unnatural manner like Fovos's ability?

[spare pier]

The ways souls work they're like, neatly organized mana inside your body that contains all the information about your life, from your memories, personality and whatnot

[gritty summit]

In Wakfu,Nox wants to turn back time by 200 years. Literally everybody tells him he's insane for trying,that it isn't possible.
He tries anyways.
200 years of near-constant energy harvesting gets him...
Twenty minutes.
A necromancer attempting a true resurrection would be in the exact same boat.

[hollow pivot]

So you can recreate souls with Mana?

[spare pier]

If you put another soul there, you're adding the memories, personality, and everything else of a person to your own

[terse moss]

Wait, if auric ascension changed the domains into different ones, and those domains were fractured bits of the soul of the world, doesn’t that mean a lot of like fundamentally important aspects have been permanently lost

[raw nest]

Is Draedon smart enough to make time travel?

[terse moss]

I guess it would depend on if time travel is even possible

[hollow pivot]

I hope time travel is never introduced.

[terse moss]

Are time and space valid domains? Or are those more the stage that everyone is playing on

[barren badger]

would there be a way to modify your own soul after consuming another to, let's say.. maybe "delete" certain details like their personality and such?

[gritty summit]

Depends wholly on the nature of time itself in Calamity.

[spare pier]

Theoretically yeah but that'd be practically impossible

[barren badger]

I tend to go way too deep into the theoreticals of game lore so pardon me

[barren badger]

interesting

[graceful warren]

I feel like the domain of the dragon and the personality of the human kinda fuse together

[spare pier]

You'd need to spend years combing out every detail about the person and removing all of it

[hollow pivot]

Would someone who absorbs the Mind Dragon's soul potentially become the god of Mana or is mana unrelated to the mind?

[long bloom]

also keep in mind auric souls are already 2 souls

[barren badger]

well given you might be immortal, being a god and all, that doesn't sound too bad

[long bloom]

so a god has 3 souls in one

[spare pier]

To in the end be left with nothing really useful besides some technical knowledge you could've obtained by just... Reading a book

[barren badger]

and the auric power I assume

surely that has to count for something

[spare pier]

Yeah it's kinda worth it for Auric Souls due to the aforementioned reasons

But also that kind of magic just ain't really a thing in Calamity, is the problem

[barren badger]

so if you were willing to dedicate tremendous time and effort, you could theoretically consume every auric soul

[barren badger]

fair

[terse moss]

If xeroc wanted to, could he just blow up the sun

Like just full on kill everyone

[long bloom]

well
if any still existed

[barren badger]

but the Terrarian could find a way given their whole power is basically "BS"

[gritty summit]

God,imagine someone actually going through the effort to scrub an Auric Soul before consuming it,just to get only a tiny boost.
As it turns out,experience is real damn powerful!

[raw nest]

Whats the timeframe of the terrarian’s journey?

So from just spawning in the world, to defeating exo mechs and calamitas, how long did that all take

[barren badger]

also true lol

[barren badger]

probably depends on your headcanon

[long bloom]

that's up to YOU!!!!!!!

[spare pier]

No, not really

[gritty summit]

How many in-game days passed?

[terse moss]

< a decade

[hollow pivot]

Terrarian's whole thing is luck, do you know what Miracle Matter is?

[spare pier]

Souls ain't like that

Souls are like

[barren badger]

my case in point

[spare pier]

I actually have the definition but like basically

[terse moss]

It is funny how the terrarian can just kinda put things into “the machine” (tm) and get out scientific wonders

[gritty summit]

Isn't Draedon's exact thoughts on Miracle Matter basically, "This shouldn't work,but it does. Congratulations,you invented a new thing!"

[barren badger]

Terrarian spends [undisclosed amount of time] tediously grinding auric souls and combing out the other person from them to become the God of everything on Terraria XD

[terse moss]

You hit an anvil until you made a new element

[spare pier]

A soul is a mana-based organ that can be defined as mana aspected with a great deal of information and organized by a creature's will

[graceful warren]

I mean i don't think he is that strong. At best you can scale him at full power moon lord

[barren badger]

yeah basically. He also finds your dub of it as "Miracle Matter" stupid

[gritty summit]

Yeah,that tracks.

[hollow pivot]

So if you have will and a large brain you can make a soul?

[spare pier]

By that point that's just a person

[hollow pivot]

Or is this like trying to make a stick of ram without any tools?

[graceful warren]

Because I belive that the gods are only as strong as the dragon souls they consumed

[hollow pivot]

“Hey I got copper that's something”

[gritty summit]

Somewhere,an eight year old boy's body gets destroyed,and a ten year old boy loses his arm and leg.

[spare pier]

If you can create life then yes you can create a soul

[long bloom]

most gods were a lot stronger

[spare pier]

But you can't create a soul without a life

[graceful warren]

Oh they were

[spare pier]

That's like making a heart without the person

[barren badger]

his thoughts on you calling the mechs things like "The Destroyer", and "Retinazer and Spazmatism" and especially "Skeletron Prime" as especially dubious

[terse moss]

Who is stronger, prime fovos or Noxus?

[spare pier]

Except even harder because a soul isn't a physical thing

[long bloom]

prime fovos

[graceful warren]

You would think that there powers would scale to the soul the consumed

[barren badger]

Fovos hands down

[terse moss]

Oh so was he like the king of the distortion or just a buff guy

[hollow pivot]

Pretty sure the Mechanical Quartet was named by civillians not the Terrarian.

[gritty summit]

I imagine that particular conversation is just a long-winded and barely-polite way of saying, "You are stupid and an awful namer of things?"

[long bloom]

there's no king of the distortion

[spare pier]

Actually better comparison, it's like trying to make consciousness without a person

[long bloom]

draedon says you named them

[barren badger]

Noxus is powerful based on the little we know, but Fovos was unreal. Came outta nowhere, kicked dragon ass including the king of the dragons then couldn't even be killed

[terse moss]

That’s so funny

[spare pier]

You can't have consciousness without a living thing

[gritty summit]

The Distortion doesn't have a king. The Distortion is an incomprehensibly gargantuan superorganism... and a gestalt intelligence.

[barren badger]

Draedon specifically states that he questions your naming capabilities because of that

[gritty summit]

With Noxus being the prime intelligence of the Distortion.

[spare pier]

You also can't have a soul without a living creature

[terse moss]

That implies civilians know about skeleton, saw this thing, and was like “yeah, that’s skeleton prime”

[spare pier]

A soul without a living creature is just a clump of mana

[hollow pivot]

Is a consciusness infused with a soul?

[terse moss]

Oh so it’s all little fingers of some eldritch cancer

[raw nest]

Lowkey what’s wrong with spazmatism and retinazer? Lowkey they’re pretty fire names why is Draedon so pressed

[graceful warren]

What does that make ravanger than

[gritty summit]

Think something along the lines of the Tyranids,and you're in the right ballpark.

[terse moss]

Kinda like hell in ULTRAKILL?

[hollow pivot]

Draedon is legit a robot.

[terse moss]

Ah

[long bloom]

ravager has many souls

[spare pier]

Now those are questions I haven't answered and probably won't because they just ain't necessary

[barren badger]

well they aren't the designations and he's a very technical guy so he's pretty preturbed that you call them these random ass names lol

granted he doesn't blame you since.. well how would you know

[gritty summit]

Hell is not a gestalt intelligence. Hell is a brutal overlord,and the souls within Hell retain their own sapience. They're merely subjugated by Hell.

[graceful warren]

But those many souls are kinda blended together and with only one purpose to destroy

[terse moss]

“I call this one the destroyer because it destroys things”

[long bloom]

probably yeah

[terse moss]

“I call these the twins because there are two of them”

[spare pier]

They are different things that are just loosely connected by the fact that you need a living creature for them to exist

[raw nest]

An IQ too smart?

[barren badger]

I can see why he questions your naming capabilities. I mean you're right but at the same time it's kind of silly. especially Skeletron Prime

[terse moss]

The terrarian after coming up with “skeleton prime” and “wall of flesh”

[graceful warren]

Also we know human souls can be transferred into non living thing

[spare pier]

But also a soul is more tangible than consciousness

[graceful warren]

Aka the mech bosses

[barren badger]

literally a "Wall of Flesh"

[terse moss]

“Golem”

[barren badger]

why does the Terrarian call the curse "Skeletron" anyway lol

[barren badger]

"Moon Lord" "Lunatic Cultist"

[thick slate]

cuz its a cool name

[long bloom]

are stars literally just super concentrated balls of mana or is there another component

[terse moss]

Lunatic cultist is so funny

[thick slate]

like a skeleton but big

[barren badger]

pretty sure that's basically it

[terse moss]

Bro is jus throwing in personal beef

[spare pier]

A soul is an actual organ, it just works in a very specific way and needs a will to exist because that's the definition

[terse moss]

“Yeah this guy is delusional”

[raw nest]

Fr

[thick slate]

lunatic

LUNAtic

are we fr

[barren badger]

I mean is the Terrarian wrong? He is a lunatic and he is a cultist

[gritty summit]

To be fair,I think the Terrarian naming the Wall of Flesh and Mechanical Quintet the way they do is largely a result of not having the time to think of something better. They just got ambushed by something big and threatening,so any time spent trying to cook up a decent name for the thing is time wasted.

[thick slate]

he worship da moon

or smth

[long bloom]

that would mean anyone with enough mana could create stars

[spare pier]

A soul without will is just a clump of mana because it's the will that organizes the information contained within a soul

[raw nest]

For trying to revive dragons? Nah my boy did nothing

[barren badger]

well that's not the case in the base game XD

[graceful warren]

Also did Draedon just look at the eater of worlds, eye of culthu and skeletron and just this yes these are peak creatures

[barren badger]

also this is probably true

[hollow pivot]

Draedon and the Terrarian are both funny because Terrarian can't name things and Draedon can't come up with unique designs yet somehow make crazy scientific materials..

[gritty summit]

Lunatic can also mean, "Of the moon."

[terse moss]

Wait, does destroying the restless spirits in the dungeon just obliterate someone’s immortal soul

[thick slate]

yea buddy is not from the moon

[terse moss]

Is this the Einstein and Tesla meme

[gritty summit]

And the Lunatic Cultist's role is keeping Fovos' shattered remains sealed on the moon.

[barren badger]

maybe but he is lunar themed

in the base game anyway

[thick slate]

how even

[hollow pivot]

I think so.

[terse moss]

lol

[raw nest]

Ts too funny im crine

[spare pier]

Aaaaaaanways

[barren badger]

so it's likely he is supposed to be the head "Moon cultist" or "Lunar Cultist" trying to bring back Moonlord in the base game

[spare pier]

I'm tiredddddd

[barren badger]

but Calamity changes cultist lore

[gritty summit]

yeets a pillow at Roxy

[barren badger]

sleep well Auric God of Lore

[gritty summit]

Sleep!

[spare pier]

So Imma head to sleep

[terse moss]

That’s not very nice

[long bloom]

gn

[raw nest]

Thank you for your time 🙏

[thick slate]

larper

[barren badger]

I'll be doing the same

[thick slate]

im crine

[graceful warren]

I mean Draedon did have since of humor. He literally name the eater of worlds it's name out of sarcasm.

[barren badger]

so I'm off to hit the hay

[gritty summit]

Live with it.

[hollow pivot]

Thanks Roxy.

[graceful warren]

Like he knew it could not actually eat a world

[barren badger]

wishing yall a goodnight, have terrible dreams

[hollow pivot]

I thought it was civillians that named the Eater of Worlds.

[gritty summit]

The Eater of Worlds is a long standing name from primitive locals.

[terse moss]

Draedon watching the Terrarian somehow banging rocks together until he makes miracle matter (it’s been 30 days)

[gritty summit]

The Eye of Cthulhu is also a long standing name from primitive locals.

[hollow pivot]

“Primitive Locals” is a crazy description.

[graceful warren]

Oh my bad I do remember tho Draedon making fun of the name in the lore

[hollow pivot]

It was Yharim who made fun of the Eater of Worlds' name.