lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[crimson cargo]

damn

[wanton pendant]

Demons.

[terse moss]

Wait are demons sentient, but just haters?

[wanton pendant]

They used to have a king.

[terse moss]

Oh I assumed they were just evil gremlins like the goblins

[wanton pendant]

And they have a religion.

[crimson cargo]

also
i'm surprised they didn't rename the borderlands 2 weapons considering i remember their sprites being almost 1:1 with the actual source

[wanton pendant]

Also, goblins are people.

[wanton pendant]

They literally have the Murasama from Metal Gear.

[terse moss]

So both of them are just choosing to be haters. Thats hilarious

[hollow pivot]

I thought invasions weren't canon?

[terse moss]

Same with the lizhards ig

[dusk laurel]

the ilmerans arent just 1 species

[pulsar ocean]

Is tinkerer the richest goblin out of his race

[wanton pendant]

Goblins are canon.

[wanton pendant]

Probably.

[eager bluff]

frost and pumpkin moons arent canon

[wanton pendant]

The Old One's Army isn't.

[split mortar]

The scientific zenith effectively, the strongest robots draedon is capable of making atm and they rival the supreme witch in power

[pulsar ocean]

Like the weapon

[hollow pivot]

Then how do we get Nightmare Fuel and Endothermic Shards?

[wanton pendant]

Not real.

[eager bluff]

they dont exist

[wanton pendant]

And they're called Endothermic Energy.

[terse moss]

Wait then what is ascendant spirit essence made of

[wanton pendant]

Ghosts.

[terse moss]

Just ghosts?

[split mortar]

They will get replaced and we going to distortion for the replacements

[pulsar ocean]

When they get rid of post dog events what’s gonna happen to nightmare fuel n the other shit and to shit made out of it

[wanton pendant]

What else?

[wanton pendant]

Distortion goops and gels.

[dusk laurel]

like many other things in this mod, it isnt real

[split mortar]

Its impossible to really know what the replacement is or what ase is made of cause
Those dont exist yet

[terse moss]

Bruh

We are making weapons and miracle matter and auric bars at if imagination and spite

Why didn’t Draedon do that? Is he stupid?

[pulsar ocean]

Is 1.4.5 canon

[split mortar]

I dont think its a cannon i think its an update

[leaden bridge]

what does it matter if ascendant spirit essence is canon anyways its just a material that exists to have you engage with the modicum of non boss content that exists in post ml it could be removed and every recipe altered and itd have no repercussions becuase nothing dictates it would be necessary to use it, like this really goes for everything that is like, not explicitly tied to the narrative, would you go up to miyazaki and ask if the wooden shield is canon

[hollow pivot]

Science Goop

[pulsar ocean]

Is true copper shortsword gonna be canon when tmod ports to 1.4.5

[wanton pendant]

I tried that once. He defenestrated me. Anyway, that's how I lost my medical license.

[leaden bridge]

yes

[hollow pivot]

Is Shimmer canon?

[wanton pendant]

No, purely to spite you.

[leaden bridge]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Yes, purely to spite us.

[leaden bridge]

canonically shimmer is noxus pee

[terse moss]

No way

[dusk laurel]

afaik theres atleast a concept indev for what it would be

[hollow pivot]

Shimmer is Zeratros' blood trust.

[pulsar ocean]

Why would they do that to me

[wanton pendant]

Because you're a nerd.

[split mortar]

Shimmer is the gender fluid

[terse moss]

They hate you specifically

[pulsar ocean]

And you’re British

Now compare what’s worse

[wanton pendant]

British is worse, but I'm not British.

[young socket]

well uhm

shimmer has a well thing

pump?

idk

[wanton pendant]

Clearly an oil rig of some kind.

Which can only mean one thing.

Shimmer is oil.

[young socket]

its just called the shimmer shrine in the wiki so

[wanton pendant]

🦅 🦅 🦅

[young socket]

i mean...

it is rainbow...

[dusk laurel]

shimmer is the third hormone that turns you WOKE.

[wanton pendant]

Third Orb?
I think I like that idea.

[terse moss]

Indeed

The secret third gender: Communist

[crystal pendant]

it just decrafts your gender

[long bloom]

true

[icy veldt]

What if I decrafted a person

[zenith geode]

doesnt work on sentient beings

[sudden barn]

shimmer is estrogen and yharim is desperately looking for it

[crystal pendant]

remove the sentience first then add it back after duh

[icy veldt]

Gotta figure out some other way to unravel someone's genome, then

Biomancy?

[green prairie]

does this work?

[manic coral]

Why would it not?

[light linden]

uhh

do dragons have genders?

realized I never thought about if they do

[manic coral]

TT: Yes, they do.

Right, no proxy here.

[light linden]

forgot this was the calamity discord?

[manic coral]

TT: Indeed.

Fuck.

[long bloom]

😭

[dusk laurel]

🔥

[manic coral]

I and the others besides Cei herself oft do not talk here. Can you really blame me?

At least we do not have to care about seeming "weird" to the fanbase now, she is no longer a developer.

That, of course, being the main reason none of us cared to talk much anywhere publically.

[hollow pivot]

Why are you talking in the third person?

[spare pier]

Take a WILD guess

Great I have this ass' profile picture now

[young socket]

lol

[hollow pivot]

Alternate Timeline Cei has taken over account?

[spare pier]

You know what?

Close enough

[hollow pivot]

I think that's a wild guess.

[spare pier]

The answer is no

[crystal pendant]

That is pretty wild

[west plume]

yharon's track being about being the last of his kind because he isnt even remotely the last dragon

[light linden]

huh?

[real glen]

What dos this mean

[eager bluff]

there are other dragons but not other auric dragons

[spare pier]

Yeah that

[eager bluff]

in the same way the last human would still be the last human even if other primates still existed

[west plume]

this is a bad comparison because yharon isnt meaningfully different from other dragons with the exception of having the auric soul

this is like if xeroc called himself The Last Person at the end of calamity

[eager bluff]

the last argentinian is still the last argentinian even if there are other south american countries

[robust osprey]

hi I am the last argentinian

[eager bluff]

is that better

[spare pier]

That's like an even worse comparison

[west plume]

yeah

[dusk laurel]

punches you in the face

[robust osprey]

dodges

I can not be killed.

[plucky juniper]

last of the AURIC dragons

[agile matrix]

the last rotating hotdog at the gas station

theres other foods but none are as cool as the rotating hotdog at the gas station

[hollow pivot]

Do you think Amidias going into a clam is like Indiana Jones going into a fridge to avoid a nuke?

[untold forge]

LMAO

it must be

[analog spindle]

Because Yharon Drops Mcnuggets it is in my belief that Yharim is Ronald McDonald, and the gods are just the mascots of other fast food joints

[raven brook]

thanks thats canon now

[split mortar]

YOU ARE CANON

[raven brook]

thanks

[analog spindle]

Maybe, the calamity was the friends we made along the way

[eternal veldt]

Literally

Calamitas just moves in after trying to murk you 🥀

Speed please i need tis. I know i tried to burn you but im kinda homless!

[terse moss]

To be fair, you summoned her

I think the funnier part is that she just does not care if she kills other NPC’s in your guys’ duels

[analog spindle]

"Don't worry Terrarian, a doppelganger will take their place. Just like usual."

[fierce oracle]

Are Aureus and Ravager mechanical

Idk the lore beyond some guy who fought god and won then lost and some god who really likes goo

[wanton pendant]

First is yes, second is no.

[wanton pendant]

Not in lore.

[terse moss]

Oh really?

She just shows up?

[wanton pendant]

Also no clue what this means.

[split mortar]

She jumps you

[terse moss]

That’s really funny

[wanton pendant]

She's ambushing you.

But you can't really make the final boss randomly spawn.

That would be terrible game design.

[terse moss]

1 in a million random chance each day she just shows up

[split mortar]

Theres multiple gods wdym fought god and won then lost
Second one you on about slime god??

[wanton pendant]

Lore Accurate Calamitas Mod that makes it so after killing Yharon she can randomly spawn.

[terse moss]

So she hears that you killed Yharon, is upset, and then just jumps you?

Or are those unrelated

[split mortar]

She thinks you are becoming yharim 2 and that you are too strong to really risk it

[terse moss]

Why not jump you earlier (like post Providence or something) to not risk it

Easy win

[wanton pendant]

You need to be really strong to be Yharim 2.

She mentions that she planned on killing DoG, but I guess she never got around to it.

[terse moss]

Fair, she is only like 28 or whatever

Theoretically she had time

Until the player showed up and started just killing people

We went from random civilian to Yharim 2 in like 3 months flat

Did Draedon and SCal ever canonically interact, or was Draedon kicked off the team before SCal joined?

[wanton pendant]

Draedon left after.

Or well, was kicked out, not left.

[terse moss]

I want a conversation between those two lol

[wanton pendant]

Remember, Yharim asked Draedon to recreate Calamitas' power.

[terse moss]

That would be hilarious

[terse moss]

Oh that’s true

[wanton pendant]

Regardless, Calamitas probably resents Draedon due to the whole cloning thing.

[terse moss]

Makes sense

[split mortar]

Super arson

[terse moss]

How did he go from that botched of a cloning job to something as powerful as the exo mechs in like, a few years

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas Clone was not botched.

She's a perfect clone.

[terse moss]

Why is it so weak then?

[wanton pendant]

Of course, as Calamitas' power isn't genetic, she was a normal human.

[split mortar]

Her power is not genetic

[wanton pendant]

Then she got the power after coming in contact with Calamitas.

[split mortar]

Its likely from brimmy

[terse moss]

Then what is the point of a clone

[wanton pendant]

He didn't know it wasn't genetic.

[split mortar]

Draedon didnt know this

[terse moss]

Oh I see

I think Yharim, Yharon, Draedon, and SCal would make for a phenomenal sitcom cast

[wanton pendant]

Castle Gaslight.

[terse moss]

It would be so peak

You have the racist uncle, that one guy who really assures you said racist uncle is a nice guy, mad scientist standin, and very angsty teen

[wanton pendant]

Every group has the:
Yharim: Racist.
Yharon: Racist.
DoG: Racist.
Calamitas thinks she has joined a hate group.

[terse moss]

Calamitas realizing there are levels to being a hater

[west plume]

yharon is like, a competitive racist. DoG is just a casual who only got in because cool people are doing it

[wanton pendant]

DoG is ruining the racism meta.

[sudden barn]

sorry if i sound stupid but can someone explain to me how they r racist

really want to get to it but you guys sound like experts

[terse moss]

Yharim wants to kill all the gods, Yharon also wants to kill all the gods, Old Duke wants to steal power from more auric dragons, DoG is just a generational hater in all regards

[wanton pendant]

Yharim kills people due to their religious beliefs.

[split mortar]

Yharim gets called piss hitler for a reason

[sudden barn]

oh i get it now thx guys

[sudden barn]

well ig i didnt get that deep into the fandom yet😭

[mighty zenith]

thats mostly here tbf

people outside the discord still call him jungle tyrant

[analog spindle]

Dreadon doesn't care that his friends are racist, Calamitas got taken in by racists

[wheat walrus]

🦁

the timer reaction,,,

[eternal veldt]

Summoned my ass. She jumped us lorewise just Legit pulled up tried to throw hands with our backs

Sis popped a domain when we weren't paying attention 🥀

[analog spindle]

I see it more as "here's my location, pull up witch we're gonna throw hands"

[eternal veldt]

Would have been funnier tbh

Well from what i heard from people here they were saying they are gonna make summoning bosses more immersive

Idk how they gonna do that though

Since yk... them randomly jumping us sounds terrible

[agile matrix]

does the aerie move around or does it float in one specific spot (or does it float at all)

[split mortar]

Its a floating island iirc but we dunno if it moves or not

[light linden]

still think the aerie is the inverse of the distortion

[analog spindle]

To find Dragon Aerie you must travel in the direction of the Z axis

[wanton pendant]

The Dragon Aerie is always just right behind you, and it flips when you turn around so it's still behind you.

Yharim mastered the art of walking backwards without swinging a weapon to enter.

[scenic olive]

i hate everyone equally ahh worm

[analog spindle]

This gave me the thought that Yharim is the clearly the most powerful mortal because he follows Baki Logic in his fights.

[wanton pendant]

Assuming I'm remembering what that is correctly, then that is how old lore Yharim worked.

[split mortar]

😭

[eternal veldt]

He can twist his spine to deliver a powerful force to the enemies nostril hitting a single strand of hair connected to their nervous system that would remove all their auric powers. This was thought to him by those tibetan auric dragons 4000 years ago.

[wanton pendant]

That's more Batman.

[agile matrix]

air soup...

[eternal veldt]

Nah that's yujiro

[agile matrix]

is that not baki who makes air food on an air table

and catches the scent of a delectable apple fritter

[wanton pendant]

I think it is, I don't really know I never watched Dragon Ball.

[analog spindle]

I'm pretty sure It was Yujiro who made the air soup during his fight with Baki, I've only ever watched the show as short form brainrot.

[terse moss]

True lol

[agile matrix]

yeah same

[terse moss]

Baki is such a fever dream and it’s so peak

[terse moss]

Yes he did

It’s weaponized schizophrenia

Like Todo vs Mahito kinda

The idol was just fully not real

Yharim after permafrost betrays him or whatever

[raw nest]

Why is amidias trapped and betrayed in the giant clam for 1000 years

[wanton pendant]

Because the Supreme Clam comes for us all.

[terse moss]

Why does the entrance to hardmode make the clam goated

It’s the same clam

[split mortar]

It can absorb souls

[raven brook]

i dont think that is the reason currently but i guess you can explain it like that given the clam rework that will come Eventually yea

[terse moss]

It would be so funny if the prehardmode was just the same

Like stats and all

The clam that kills you (tm)

Or maybe the sunken sea has layers, but that’s probably SSO

[dusk laurel]

what

[terse moss]

||I feel like Yharim is a lot more ideologically principled than Sukuna tho, despite both having ice wizard buddies||

||Kenjaku and Draedon would immediately be friends tho||

[wheat walrus]

plpl

(cheese hasn't watched s2 jjk yet can u spoiler the spoilers pls 🥺)

dies

[wheat walrus]

twinn

[terse moss]

Oh I’m sorry

[wheat walrus]

it's okay

anyways

[terse moss]

I genuinely forgot there were still anime only people, mb

[wanton pendant]

Hey, you gotta remember, not everyone's watched Dragon Ball.

[terse moss]

Isn’t Super being reanimated or something?

Along with the drop of the Moro arc?

[wheat walrus]

||i posted the sukuna sticker without having read the rest of the convo, simply bc i saw "sorcerer" and thought||

||byea yharim does have better principles than sukuna because he does actually value the lives of others, even if it's only those that stand with his ideology on gods||

[terse moss]

I thought I heard something like that

[wheat walrus]

||sukuna, meanwhile, doesn't care about anyone's life other than his own, and the only appreciation he will show to others is that for their strength||

[terse moss]

Fair enough

[wheat walrus]

p

[leaden bridge]

hi guys was yharim attuning with yharon a subconcious choice

[wanton pendant]

Hell if I know.
Maybe they have to get married, maybe it just kinda happens.

[long bloom]

attunement info

[wanton pendant]

I see... racist to racist communication.

[terse moss]

true

[leaden bridge]

i see

[limpid saddle]

I wonder if this implies that an attuned auric dragon & person dont actually have to meet or know each other to allow said person to wield auric

[terse moss]

thats really funny actually

[limpid saddle]

the village idiot one day comes home with a handful of weird rocks that instantly obliterate anyone that touches them

[light linden]

that reminds me of something from star wars

there was a planet with this living mountains

and people could attune themselves to said mountains to be able to telekinetically move those rocks even if they weren't force sensitive

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith got a moment for 2 questions?

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

does telekinetic magic exist in calamity?

and if so is it able to move auric?

[long bloom]

dirt rod

[light linden]

idk if that's canon

[long bloom]

why not

[light linden]

no clue

I don't consider anything canon nor non canon unless a dev specifies

[wanton pendant]

This implies the Dirt Rod is psychic.

[wanton pendant]

Schrödinger's Continuity.

[light linden]

dirt rod could simply be a case of geomancy as well

[light linden]

this is also why I ask so many seemingly obvious questions btw

[dusk laurel]

k

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

[cosmic zenith]

Perhaps
I don't think the challenge was really moving Auric, it was working with it

[light linden]

I can see the challenge with moving it

[wanton pendant]

Wheelbarrow.

[long bloom]

cannon

[pulsar ocean]

are auric landmines non canon if tamed auric shouldnt implode people

[west plume]

metal gloves

[wanton pendant]

Tying it to a bunch of balloons.

[light linden]

imagine attempting to move something that electrifies and blasts away anything that touches it

[wanton pendant]

Wheelbarrows are worthy.

[light linden]

whellbarrows would both get shocked and sent flying and more than likely would get crushed

[split mortar]

It explodes us through armour it doesnt care for things like that

[west plume]

it doesnt seem to obliterate inert things like stone or dirt or wood

[wanton pendant]

Wheelbarrows typically aren't alive.

[light linden]

also how would you move it into the wheelbarrow if you can't touch it?

[long bloom]

golf ball

[wanton pendant]

Unless you Americans have some strange wheelbarrows.

Golf balls have sinned, we all know this.

[light linden]

they shock draedon do they not?

[split mortar]

Its golf thats why

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Isn't Draedon alive in a sense?

[dusk laurel]

i fucking hate golf

[dusk laurel]

not confirmed afaik

just "very hard to work with"

[light linden]

also even if it didn't send a shockwave against inorganic things

something with that much electricity naturally would be a PAIN to move

[west plume]

auric doesnt have an electrical charge

its just a visual effect

[light linden]

it'd turn any metal equipment into a downed power line

[agile matrix]

isnt Rebuke an electric effect

[long bloom]

then what the fuck is it

also
the electric debuff in question

[west plume]

auric ore

[agile matrix]

like last i checked its counted as an Electrical Debuff (despite baaaarely counting as electrical (it bounces your atoms around))

[long bloom]

yeah what's the blue shit

[eager bluff]

it is electric yes

[wanton pendant]

It's magic that conveniently resembles electricity.

[west plume]

lack of resprite

[eager bluff]

auric rebuke is an electricity debuff

[long bloom]

whar

it's not gonna be blue anymore????

[agile matrix]

which part is being blue?

[split mortar]

The bar got reaprited and still has wacky blue iirc
Idk if light ing yet to get there

[long bloom]

the electricity + the ore flashes blue when activated

[eager bluff]

it is blue its just not lightning

[agile matrix]

i thought it was very White

[long bloom]

no

[light linden]

also I remember either stip or cei mentioning it did have an electric charge

[eager bluff]

see you think that but then you look at it and no its blue

[agile matrix]

its blueish white

its both

[long bloom]

blue

[eager bluff]

no that is just blue

[long bloom]

it's extremely bright blue
bright as in light level, not color

[light linden]

also yeah that is electricity

[split mortar]

That has a very electric pulse to it

[west plume]

it shocks you but its like a static charge. it sends concentrated energy into your being and blasts you away. i do not believe you could meaningfully use auric bars as a power source because the thing shocking you is undifferentiated world soul-derived energy

[eager bluff]

which is still electricity

[agile matrix]

okay so cant i just constantly tap rats against it and then use the rats as power

does that not work

[wanton pendant]

Gosh.

[light linden]

I think you misunderstood the prompt

I was talking about how someone would transport it

[eager bluff]

its not a power source but it is still electric

[agile matrix]

tie two rats to the Claws and then tap the rats to it, with wires on the Rats

[pulsar ocean]

wait so yharim cant shoot bolts of electricity?

[long bloom]

what does "lack of resprite" mean though

[agile matrix]

it hasnt been resprited to not be electric

[light linden]

saying that even if it didn't send you or your equipment flying it would still shock the ever loving hell out of it

[west plume]

i.e. it cant be used with traditional electrical applications because it isnt using electrons for the shock

it is just a visual effect because it used to be called Auric Tesla

[long bloom]

the armor is still called auric tesla

[light linden]

where the hell did they say that

I know a dev said this

[agile matrix]

whats it using for the shock then

like the closest real world thing

if not electrons

[west plume]

there is no close real world thing its fucking dragon magic ore

[wanton pendant]

It's magic!

[agile matrix]

its gotta have at least a lil sense ...

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith hey does auric have an electric charge?

[agile matrix]

"hey dad mom said i couldnt do this, can i do this"

[long bloom]

so you're saying the energy's appearance will be changed to no longer be blue or resemble electricity?

[light linden]

I can't remember if it was you or cei that said yes

[agile matrix]

it'll make a skull and crossbones in its thing

like a cartoonish poison

[west plume]

i dont think auric's final thematic inplementation will be necessarily electrically themed, no

[long bloom]

booooooooooooooooooooo

[terse moss]

What if it’s not technically electricity and the magic, since not consciously targeted, takes the path of least resistance like electricity

[agile matrix]

whats yharims armor gonna do then

just be cool looking?

not actually practical?

[west plume]

secret

[dusk laurel]

evil ancient dragon curse!!!

blows you up across the world

[long bloom]

changing half of auric's color scheme is a terrible move ngl

[terse moss]

Fun fact, anyone getting shocked does the animation for every auric ore on the planet

You can see when your friends get shocked

[long bloom]

i noticed that yesterday lmao

[wanton pendant]

I really don't think of blue when I think of Auric.

[long bloom]

it's yellow and blue

[west plume]

i dont think i said blue was getting removed from auric... i just said it wasnt necessarily electrical

its dragon magic ore

[real silo]

Red lightning surel

[wanton pendant]

It's gonna be PURPLE!

[long bloom]

i asked what the blue was and you said "lack of resprite"

dunno how else i was supposed to interpret that

[cosmic zenith]

Possibly? I've never gone this far into the specifics because it's not my lane and also fantasy tends to break down when you look at it through a microscope

The better question would be

[west plume]

yeah, because the Got Damn auric man is not finalized and therefore auric doesnt match what it's final mechanic will be

[cosmic zenith]

Does lightning magic work by creating electric charge, or does it have another method of creating an electric current?

[feral skiff]

hello developers. add the fog man into the game and he attacks you with the fog. thank you

[long bloom]

i was under the impression auric metal was finalized

since all signs pointed to that

[cosmic zenith]

Fogbound is a thing of the past

I'm adding Mistbound rn

[wanton pendant]

Auricbound is the future.

[feral skiff]

Auric man

he attacks you with the auric

[west plume]

what?

[long bloom]

there's no indication it wasn't

[west plume]

because it's not super important?

[wanton pendant]

You assumed something in this mod was finished?
Rookie mistake.

[long bloom]

also just
why fix what ain't broke

[cosmic zenith]

Sprite-wise, you can never know in this mod

[wanton pendant]

It may not be broke, but it ain't woke.

[cosmic zenith]

Not that I think it deserves a resprite

[wanton pendant]

The mod must become woke.

[long bloom]

[cosmic zenith]

But assuming that it'll never change is how you end up making the album art for the Tale of a Cruel World album literally the most resprited Calamity boss ever

[long bloom]

i don't mean the specific sprite
i'm talking about the general theming

[terse moss]

Yharon resprite 2078🙏

[long bloom]

of gold metal with blue lightning energy

[leaden bridge]

I mean these are very different things

Dog's design was famously ass and changeable as it was then as it is now (well, obviously not the thought of the people that made it and wanted it in the mod) auric metal bar isn't quite that

[plucky juniper]

imma be real

there isnt actually any reason to de-electric-fy the auric ore

it makes it really distinctive for the final ore

[cosmic zenith]

Indeed
A more fitting example would be SCal's resprite

But I wanted to be a bit dramatic

[cosmic zenith]

Agreed
I don't think it will ever be

[terse moss]

Is cal clone getting a resprite?

[dusk laurel]

yes

[terse moss]

Sick

[wanton pendant]

Please, she has been cursed with eyeballness for too long.

[cosmic zenith]

Eventually™

[torn condor]

eyeball is too iconic

[wanton pendant]

No it is not.

[torn condor]

it would be like getting rid of darth vader's helmet

[light linden]

I like the design but it doesn't fit imo

[wanton pendant]

No it would not.

[dusk laurel]

everything iconic in this mod being old and horrid

[light linden]

unless the clone is like

has to be stuck in a vat for whatever reason

[wanton pendant]

It would be like if an early version of the film had Darth Vader just be a floating Rubber Duck, and nobody comments on this and refer to him as human.

[dusk laurel]

anyways something thats actually iconic and people seem to care about would be dog getting completely redesigned in the future

[wanton pendant]

And then later they fix it and put an actual actor there.

[light linden]

which does sound interesting now that I say it

[torn condor]

isn't the clone supposed to be a crude clone inside a giant robot though

I thought that's what the lore item was suggesting

[wanton pendant]

But doesn't line up with the lore.

[wanton pendant]

Not at all.

[light linden]

ik it doesn't

[wanton pendant]

She's a perfect clone.

[light linden]

it still sounds interesting as a concept

[wanton pendant]

With no robot.
The lore of her being inside one is just an excuse.

The robot has no origin or reason to exist otherwise.

And if anything contradicts everything else.

[light linden]

a necromancer that has to be stuck in a vat piloting around a giant mech that shoots literal hellfire and brimstone

doesn't fit for calamity but still

[sinful adder]

I talked about this before but I absolutely think calclone should keep an eyeball shape, but it can be an abstract thing

[sinful adder]

Kinda like this. She carries around the machinery that protects her and keeps her alive

I drew something for it once

[light linden]

Also I do think the idea of a mechanical boss being piloted through magic sounds cool

[sinful adder]

This drawing sucks but imagine Calamitas and the clone both have the same silhouette, in something like this, and you see the symbol for them ahead of time somewhere

[plucky juniper]

yknow what

yknow that donor pet that SCal drops that's also referred to as SCaL?

now. it is a donor item. its not canon

BUT

what IF?

what if SCal had this funny metal eyeball that she creates solely for survellience of things from a distance

her little own probe

and you might even interact with it well before your fight with SCal

[analog spindle]

That actually would make alot of sense as in her fight she says "it wasn't too long ago you barely managed to defeat my doppleganger" Which implies that she might have been watching the fight.

[plucky juniper]

i honestly want her to show up right after you defeat the clone, to remind you of how you still have much to do before you can go toe-to-toe with SCal

[long bloom]

wait cook

[plucky juniper]

maybe you could rarely stumble across the tiny brimstone baby yourself

now could you talk to it? i dunno, but maybe it could be an alternative way to get the pet

by capturing it with a bug net

[analog spindle]

I honestly think a great addition to calamity would be maybe at a few points along the progression you could meet a few npc's at some POI's, like encountering dreadon in a lab or something, or like Calamitas in the resurrection cave (if that still is/ever was in the lore). Just to provide some extra lore outside of Yharims perspective, as well as fleshing out the characters and make it more meaningful when you do eventually fight them.

[long bloom]

the hell is a resurrection cave

also draedon has enough buildup please no more

[analog spindle]

I remember watching some lore video on youtube that Calamitas backstory tried to resurrect her brothers in a cave or something. I could totally be wrong though considering the source or shoddy memory on my part

[long bloom]

yeah that lore is at least 3 years outdated

her brothers died in azafure

[plucky juniper]

i assumed you meant the cave that calamitas lived in for some reason

[analog spindle]

If she did live in a cave I would be at least sorta right about the whole cave thing

[long bloom]

she lives in a cave currently, but not when she was a child

[terse moss]

But like why wouldn’t they just kill you

What is hard mode you going to do against SCal

[long bloom]

she doesn't care about you until post moonlord when she's like "oh shit this guy is actually as strong as yharim"

[terse moss]

Then why not do it pre-Providence

Just slime you instantly

[long bloom]

probably still didn't care at that point

[terse moss]

I mean I guess

You did rise from peasant to ML in like a matter of weeks tho

That kind of meteoric rise is inherently dangerous and unpredictable

[long bloom]

source?

[terse moss]

Just counting in game days

Idk if that’s cannon

[long bloom]

tis not

also

[terse moss]

Oh, fair enough then

[terse moss]

How long is it in lore then?

[long bloom]

you decide the length of your journey

as long as it's under 10 years

[terse moss]

Is there a canon “main character”

[tropic oak]

you

[terse moss]

Or just not at all

[hollow pivot]

Is that a random number or dev-derived?

[tropic oak]

[long bloom]

🫵

[tropic oak]

you sir

[terse moss]

Right but like one single version that explicitly did certain things in a certain amount of time

[tropic oak]

are the main character

[long bloom]

yharim's gonna kick the bucket by then

[terse moss]

One in lore terrarian

[long bloom]

no

[tropic oak]

you

[long bloom]

it's just you

[tropic oak]

as in

YOU

like

YOURSELF

YOU

your BEING

YOU

are the mc

[long bloom]

the person we are talking to currently

[tropic oak]

understand?

no TERRARIAN

YOU

[long bloom]

well
it's not like deltarune where irl you is a character in the story

but the terrarian is your oc

and the story abides by that

"every copy of calamity is personalized"

[analog spindle]

I kinda see it as a Skyrim type thing, The character you make is the main character

[tropic oak]

u da real mc music

[terse moss]

But certain decisions don’t make sense if your terrarian is a speedrunner that beats the entire game in 1 day in universe

[long bloom]

oh well

[tropic oak]

my terrarian can be a speedrunner if i want him to be

if he killed all those fuckin guys in a single day? canon

[hollow pivot]

Imagine if there's a mechanic like that one from a ||Metal Gear|| game where the final boss actually dies if you take long enough to beat the game.

[tropic oak]

thats deadass a mechanic in one of those games

???

i dont plan on playing them but like

LOL

[analog spindle]

You just go to dragon aerie to finish of Yharim and it's just a Loot bag, with no way of summoning him or fight him.

Peak Cinema

[hollow pivot]

And all the lore items are just “...”

[terse moss]

That would be so peak actually

If your run is over 100 hours he dies of old age

[analog spindle]

Especially if he dies some point along the progression, "oh you defeated ravager? Well you took too long to get here so no lore item for you"

[terse moss]

Wait that’s peak

He doesn’t whisper from on high. He had a stroke and died actually

[analog spindle]

All you find is a gravestone identical to the players

[terse moss]

That would be so peak actually

Maybe yharon has some dialogue where he is just like “dang, he’s dead now” and Calamitas doesn’t know yet so you tell her and she is super surprised

“Now what”

And you both just like look at each other

[analog spindle]

Calamitas would probably still move in cause she would be homeless

[terse moss]

True lol

And Draedon would act the same

He doesn’t care lol

[robust osprey]

I dont get past pre hardmode under that time smh

[terse moss]

How

What

[robust osprey]

slow play

[terse moss]

There isn’t even that much to do I don’t think

Unless you build a bunch

I don’t build stuff

[analog spindle]

"Well shoot I was supposed to fight you, but now Yharims dead or whatever I don't really have any need to, can I move in and just not pay rent?" -Scal "yharim dies" AU

[terse moss]

The nefarious tax collector:

[analog spindle]

At most I build a prison, storage/crafting area, and then boss rush

[terse moss]

Yeah

Maybe an arena or two

If I am really struggling

But even in death mode I don’t normally need an arena

[robust osprey]

tax collector fucking dies beacuse hes pro yharim

[analog spindle]

I don't even do that I just world edit it in

[terse moss]

Tax collected immediately after asking Calamitas for rent:

Why is the guide cursed in calamity

[robust osprey]

beacuse uuhh uuh uuh uh uuuhhh

[dusk laurel]

grug

thts why

[terse moss]

It rhymes with grug

[robust osprey]

grug cursed him to watch the croods 2 every day of his life

[terse moss]

New calamity boss:

The Croods is like shockingly good for how bad it feels like it should be

[dusk laurel]

[robust osprey]

no yea the croods is so good for no reason even though it should be mid

[terse moss]

JUDGEMENT

Minos Prime would absolutely demolish Calamitas and that’s really funny

[hollow pivot]

Draedon would do mickey mouse sad.gif because now he can't watch epic dbz fight between Yharim and player.

[terse moss]

He just needs to make a better robot

[robust osprey]

it took pretty much the only life advise a cavemen movie could give and did it really good

[terse moss]

Use miracle matter or auric ore or shadowspec or whatever

The exo mechs still have a ton of room to grow

Also, he could just like, make more

10 mechs

45 exo mechs

[hollow pivot]

Pretty sure Shadowspec ain't canon.

[terse moss]

Oh really? Huh

[long bloom]

tis not

[terse moss]

Ok then auric/miracle matter

[long bloom]

draedon also can't use auric

[terse moss]

Oh so no miracle matter either

[long bloom]

which means he can't stabilize miracle matter

[terse moss]

Hm

Welp

4700 exo mechs

[terse moss]

Just keep making them ig

One billion exo mechs

[long bloom]

unless you show up and give him all your yharon soul fragments

[terse moss]

Or, make Thanatos not open his armor

Ez

[hollow pivot]

Terrarian is Jetstream Sam and just wants a good fight?

[terse moss]

Honestly maybe

[terse moss]

But like I think this is easier

[long bloom]

yeah then it'll explode

[terse moss]

?

[long bloom]

they're heat vents

to vent heat

[terse moss]

Oh

[hollow pivot]

Maybe Auric is heat resistant and naturally reduces heat 🤷‍♂️

[terse moss]

Ares but he just beats you to death

[long bloom]

true...

[terse moss]

Like no dodgeable projectiles

He just grabs you and punches you a bunch

[hollow pivot]

What does he make his mechs out of, metal-wise? According to Yharim it's steel but he not the scientist.

[eager bluff]

some alloy using cosmilite

[long bloom]

yeah

[robust osprey]

ah yes, the steel that can tank the Fuck You sword that Kills You In One Hit

[terse moss]

Why is it that the DoG has like impenetrable armor and then the exo mechs just don’t

He’s faster too so it’s not a weight thing

[hollow pivot]

Which Kills You In One Hit sword? The Terrarian has like 50.

[long bloom]

dog's armor is very penetrable

that's how you kill him

[terse moss]

On the main body?

[hollow pivot]

Phase 2 Dog has like 90% DR on body according to the wiki but I think that's just gameplay not canon.

[terse moss]

Like he has an opening for his mouth and eyes where you hit him

[eager bluff]

well yeah

usually thats how you kill someone in full armor

[long bloom]

thanatos's armor is actually impenetrable sans the vents

[hollow pivot]

No you kill someone in full armor by beating the crap outta 'em.

[terse moss]

But the exo mechs don’t have weak spots in that way

[long bloom]

th
thanatos

[eager bluff]

hate to beak it to you but thats not how that works most of the time

[hollow pivot]

No you get really massive hammer or rock and you throw it really hard.

[terse moss]

Unleashed try single shot and slice is hurting the vents on area and the teins, because theoretically they are made out of the exact same stuff

[long bloom]

whar

[hollow pivot]

Would the Exo Gems they have shown be breakable?

[long bloom]

are you asking if exo prisms are indestructible

[hollow pivot]

Because Exo Armor is really weak.

[long bloom]

?

[hollow pivot]

I'm asking if Exo Prisms are more breakable than the metal shells the Exo Mechs have.

[long bloom]

yeah

they're just sea prisms injected with methamphetamine

[leaden bridge]

Obviously they're crystals

[terse moss]

My main point was that the exo mechs are made out of the same material as Thanatos’s armor. That implies every time we hit them for full damage we are always hitting a weak spot of some kind

[eager bluff]

big rock maybe but without what is essentially siege weaponry you arent getting something big enough moving and why would you use siege weaponry on a singular combatant
big hammer does in fact not beat a knight in full armor to death, the goal of most war hammers blunt sides is to daze the enemy where then you use the other parts of said hammer to try to get at the parts that arent armored

[hollow pivot]

So why does Draedon show the Crystals is he dumb?

[leaden bridge]

No t

[long bloom]

no thanatos's armor is different

did you even read draetalk

[terse moss]

Some of it

It’s been a minute

[long bloom]

he grew it around the frame

[terse moss]

Oh interesting

[long bloom]

like how silva made braelor's axe

apparently

[terse moss]

Neat

[hollow pivot]

How did he make metal grow?

[eager bluff]

it uses cosmilite it can just do that

[long bloom]

shrug

[iron meadow]

hey guys where can i find that google doc with all the lore

thanks love you guys

each and every little one of you

i couldnt emphasize it enough

[pulsar ocean]

Pins duhhhhhh

Where the fuck else do you think the lore docs are

Besides the fucking LORE CHANNEL

[raw nest]

Wait guys I’m actually serious when I defeated the giant clam i didn’t notice him so I didn’t get to read his dialogue.

I was super confused when this fella randomly moved into one of my houses

[warm gull]

old duke is silva's dad

[sinful adder]

I want to know more about other nations/kingdoms that existed in the heartlands

We know there was Chrysidia, Azafure, and Ilmeris

And various small underground villages (that's what the houses are)

Oh, and the jungle village (vernal pass)

[wind kelp]

but nobody replied why do you love us

[wind kelp]

& im not little

[split mortar]

Think they are being overly sarcastic of it

[eternal swan]

Is the eye I always see from terminus is Xeroc's eye?

Guys,explain

[robust osprey]

it's the primordial light sigil

which is also xeroc's!

[eternal swan]

Hmm

Looking sense

Wait,sigil?

[zenith geode]

every god has a sigil

[robust osprey]

yup!

[eternal swan]

It's for ml summon

That means...

[split mortar]

Whar

[gritty kraken]

Sigil is a word

[eternal swan]

Ik

Ml is a god???

[robust osprey]

I don't think theres any other confirmed god sigil other that ravager's on its concept design

[zenith geode]

no

[split mortar]

No

[zenith geode]

ml is not a god

[eternal swan]

Because it use sigil,lmao

[robust osprey]

ML is just a creature

from outside terraria (planet)

[zenith geode]

obscenely strong creature from the distortion but otherwise unrelated to auric souls

well it can destroy auric souls but that's it

[split mortar]

The celestial sigil item is prob not canon since its a boss spawn item tbh

[zenith geode]

^

[eternal swan]

But it has sigil word in it

[split mortar]

Sigil does not always mean god

[eternal swan]

But you said it earlier??

[robust osprey]

melon I think theyre just joking around!

[split mortar]

The primordial light sigil predates xerocs birth
Xeroc is now john primordial light so the guy adopted it prob

[zenith geode]

ml does not have a domain nor an auric or godly soul and so it does not get a sigil

same reason why dog doesn't have a sigil

[robust osprey]

he should have a sigil made by himself that doesnt mean anything at all and is also kinda ugly

[dusk laurel]

most boss summon items arent canon

bevause why would they be

[robust osprey]

summons vanillin with the vanilla summoning item

[dusk laurel]

1. theyre boring and lame
2. itd be really hard to justify how theyd work

[dusk laurel]

[robust osprey]

hi vanillin!

[dusk laurel]

hiii

[robust osprey]

:D

[split mortar]

Also no they said all gods have sigils, not all sigils have a god
-# not like thats correct anyways. providence, slimegod, otonilou and tyrian all dont have any afaik

[robust osprey]

or atleast not that we know of!

[split mortar]

We have seen the concept art of half of them, i dont think thats the case unless theres a dev statement im missing.

[eternal swan]

I really know all of "gods" are powerful,but none of them actually matches a power of a boulder

[dusk laurel]

what?

[eternal swan]

Boulder really manifest power from what I truly call "god"

[split mortar]

Wgat

[eternal swan]

Ok,bad joke

I really forgot rolling cacti,bruh

In case anyone confused what I meant in this jokes is,their damage is absurdly extremely high for a rolling stone and a cactus

Which can kill you in 1 or 2 hits

[real glen]

Boulder rain lore

[raven brook]

Old concept art tho,

I'm pretty sure the goal is for all gods to have sigils at some point

They just weren't made yet

The idea of all gods having sigils just wasn't a thing back when their concept art was made, its a more recent idea from the looks of it

Xeroc had a sigil ever since before lore rewrite, but it was exclusive to him -> They decide to give other gods sigils (Starting with Agnus/Ravager, then Silva) and the Sigils go from being specifically tied to the gods but rather their domains

[real silo]

Nebbie sigil

[cosmic minnow]

Spoilers

[feral skiff]

is there Super Auric Tesla armor?

[split mortar]

Thats what yharim has arguably

[long bloom]

yeah

[real glen]

Besides the Canon, which one will stronger
Yharim's armor or Auric Tesla Armor+ from Catalyst addon

[raven brook]

Idk

[wanton pendant]

Doesn't matter Uncle Ben, Clamitous Armour beats both of them.

[long bloom]

yharim's

you can't beat auric rejection

it's basically killaura

[spare pier]

Kill what?

[long bloom]

videogame cheat where you damage things near you automatically
obviously it's not exactly the same but yeah

[spare pier]

My God you're dense

Killaura, Xzier

What does that sound like?

[feral skiff]

is Draedon John Technology

[young socket]

kill laura...

[feral skiff]

think about it.. he makes the technologically advanced machines

and the exo forge

[spare pier]

Thank you Tsuki you managed to 8e Smart for once

[young socket]

what the FUCK

[dusk laurel]

stupi

[untold forge]

from when i was super active the understanding was that we used the tiny fraction of yharons soul to trick the ore into thinking we were attuned, while yharim was fully attuned to yharon, unsure if that is still the case after yharon left yharim to go confront the player character and especially now that he is "dead"

granted this was 2023/2024 ^^

[terse moss]

Imagine Yharim just gets instantly tased to death when we kill Yharon

[untold forge]

i remember discussing if auric bullets would reject inside of your body after being shot

[terse moss]

Omg that would be crazy

Can’t take them out either

[split mortar]

Yeah thats the case
Yharons soul still exists for yharim to be attuned to so yeah yharim still attuned

[untold forge]

OH YEAH

I made a point to say he wasnt actually dead cause his soul was around and forgot that his soul is still around

[split mortar]

Dont think there would be a body part for you to take it out of

[terse moss]

Fair

New ranger ammo? (Please it would be so funny)

[untold forge]

uhh try ranger calamity addon im pretty sure they add one

[terse moss]

Yo really?

[untold forge]

or well, a lot of bullets n stuff

[terse moss]

Is it called “ranger calamity addon?”

[untold forge]

auric bullets home in iirc my gf was messing with it

[terse moss]

Like just that

[untold forge]

lemme load up the ol mod loader and check for ya

[long bloom]

if yharon's soul ceased to exist, yharim would get auric springlocked in his own armor

very funny

[untold forge]

😭

would be the case if you ascended as well 😭

[long bloom]

mhm

[terse moss]

Why didn’t Draedon ever do that

Kill a dragon and ascend using its auric soul. What’s Yharim going to do about it? Auric exo mechs

[untold forge]

to my knowledge only yharon and yharim know about the ritual atm (?)

[terse moss]

Huh

[long bloom]

i don't think draedon has a soul

also he doesn't know the ritual yeah

[terse moss]

Were you able to find it?

[untold forge]

ive been hanging out with minu too much 😭

yeah sent it in dms ^^

[long bloom]

and there probably weren't many dragons left by the time he was created

if any at all

[untold forge]

^

[long bloom]

it was like 200 years after xeroc ascended

that's a long time

[untold forge]

depending on the timeline he may have awoken well after most of the gods had been well established

[light linden]

draedon having a soul is questionable, yharon's the only option, and he likely doesn't know the ritual

[long bloom]

and he can't access the aerie

that's a huge thing

[untold forge]

^

[long bloom]

can't even find the damn place

[terse moss]

Where is the aerie? Is it a separate dinension or just like a place

Is it like a Mt. Olympus situation?

[untold forge]

yk honestly dont think its public lore atm

[terse moss]

Fair

[split mortar]

Its theorised to either be a different dimension or in the past

[untold forge]

oh thats really cool actually

ive come to learn that the dragon aerie is the friends we made along the way 😄

[barren badger]

Lore question- I believe the Terrarian is technically the "God of Rebirth" after consuming Yharon's "Rebirth Auric Soul" item he drops after you beat him the first time, yes?

[hollow pivot]

Does the auric furniture set canonically kill any NPCs that walk on it?

[hollow pivot]

You don't consume Yharon's soul.

[split mortar]

You dont consume yharons soul

[barren badger]

I do believe he drops it and you gain buffs from it once you kill him

[split mortar]

From an addon

[hollow pivot]

That Soul is from Goozma's mod.

[split mortar]

Hunt of the old god

[barren badger]

strange

"what mod is this item from" says it's from Cal mod, is it an unused item that Old God puts to use?

[untold forge]

Goozma has blessed us again!!

Soul fragments?

[split mortar]

Dont think so

[barren badger]

just confused

[wanton pendant]

Not from Calamity.

Canonically his soul escapes.

[split mortar]

Its from hunt of the old god why does it say that????

[barren badger]

not sure, but I stand corrected

[wanton pendant]

It's now in the same place as the as of yet unimplemented final boss.

[barren badger]

also that's so lame

[hollow pivot]

The only way I can imagine you absorbing Yharon's Soul is if you manage to find out how the ascension ritual works, it's been done like 1,400+ times in lore so it musn't be very difficult to find out, and you'd also have to get his egg. A.K.A, you need to defeat Yharim.

[wanton pendant]

Also, even if you did, without the Terminus you wouldn't be the God of Rebirth anyway.

[barren badger]

to be fair

[robust osprey]

why do you think thatt??

[barren badger]

most gods didn't use the proper ascension ritual

[wanton pendant]

Which is why they all have a different power to the dragon.

[plucky juniper]

theres clearly a lot that was written about Yharon and the ascension process that was designed solely so you dont consume Yharon's Soul and instantly kill Yharim due to him losing attunement

[zenith geode]

its got some weird ass override

[young socket]

it can be spoofed

[zenith geode]

on all its items

[hollow pivot]

I believe only like 1/750 gods use the Terminus.

[wanton pendant]

Two gods.

[robust osprey]

Xeroc and Silva did!

[barren badger]

I believe those are the only two gods that properly ascended yes?

[split mortar]

Perfect ascended yeah

[wanton pendant]

All of them 'properly' ascended.

[robust osprey]

also, teleporting souls to the aerie is something Yharon always did, for himself and other dragons

[wanton pendant]

Only two perfectly ascended.

[barren badger]

maybe it's just me, I just find it silly that we aren't allowed to consume Yharon's Auric Soul, even if in an imperfect manner

[robust osprey]

so they could properly rebirth

[split mortar]

Waterwraith you have bad vibes rn idk why

[wanton pendant]

What the hell!?

[wanton pendant]

Even if it didn't teleport you don't know how.

[robust osprey]

don't you think it'd be a bit overpowered to have basically eternity (or similar) powers?

[split mortar]

It would kill the final boss and make us far too strong for like anything but xeroc to beat us and also requires characterising the terrarian which is a big nono for gameplay

[hollow pivot]

Maybe the devs will allow you to absorb the soul post-Yharim.

[barren badger]

same reason I am kinda disappointed we can't actually kill the Nameless Deity in WOTG. I know it's Capital G God and all, but it just annoys me for some reason

[wanton pendant]

No, it'd be a nightmare to implement.

[split mortar]

Noxus getting fucking folded compilation

[hollow pivot]

But I see no reason for them to do that so it's unlikely.

[split mortar]

Well uh bad news we wont kill xeroc either

[barren badger]

yeah I know

[plucky juniper]

fawe

[split mortar]

Unmatched power of the sun and also like no reason to fight to the death

[barren badger]

which, of course, annoys me

[wanton pendant]

A bit bloodthirsty, are we?

[hollow pivot]

Invent a reason to fight.

[barren badger]

I mean they could do it similarly to Old God, where it gives you 3% buffs to everything

[robust osprey]

now THAT'S lame

[barren badger]

sure it's small but it's still there

[split mortar]

Xeroc dropping the sun on you instead of playing fair

[wanton pendant]

That would be incredibly underwhelming.

[split mortar]

Thats not even noticeable

[wanton pendant]

'Congratulations, you're a god now, have +15 health.'

[hollow pivot]

What if killing Yharon gives you the ability to respawn.

[hollow pivot]

And you can't absorb it on Hardcore.

[wanton pendant]

Respawn timer is now nine months long.

[barren badger]

I agree, but admittedly I don't see any other way about it

[wanton pendant]

And that's why you won't be able to.

[barren badger]

I just find unecessary lore limitations in games like Terraria incredibly annoying

[split mortar]

I think thats the sign its bad to do in the game

[barren badger]

but that's just me

[robust osprey]

what limitation is there even

what does it change that you cant kill nameless deity or whatever

[barren badger]

I do understand my opinion is the uncommon one,

[wanton pendant]

There's no way you could implement it anyway.

[barren badger]

just lore implications

I'm a big lore geek

[robust osprey]

if its lore side it's worse beacuse how would terrarian know abt the ritual

[untold forge]

removes the mask and its just v1

[barren badger]

you don't need the ritual to ascend

only to perfectly ascend

[robust osprey]

you...do

[wanton pendant]

That's wrong.

[robust osprey]

you need the ritual to ascend, if you have Terminus, it's perfect

[hollow pivot]

Dude there are over a thousand gods in-lore, it musn't be too difficult to find out how.

[untold forge]

you need the ritual and we only have theories on what causes a perfect ascension

[wanton pendant]

A vast majority are dead.

[barren badger]

also this

[robust osprey]

all the gods are DEAD!!!!

[untold forge]

yharim made sure they were dead

[robust osprey]

and their followers ALSO DEAD!!!

[barren badger]

we also have Yharim(whispers, not that he'd tell us anyway), Amidas, and at that point Permafrost and Calamitas who might know a thing or two

[untold forge]

however the torch god is still out there somewhere...

[wanton pendant]

There was a whole crusade to kill them all.

[hollow pivot]

Yharim only killed half the population.

[robust osprey]

theres like 5 peopke that could tell you or smth

2 of which you Kill

[hollow pivot]

Yharim didn't finish his crusade.

[west plume]

the gods became gods a long time ago and very few of them are immortal and mr. yellow has been killing them for 100 years

[robust osprey]

other 2 being yharim and yharon

[wanton pendant]

Yharim would never tell you, Amidias probably doesn't know, Calamitas probably doesn't know, Permafrost probably doesn't know and probably wouldn't tell you if he did.

[robust osprey]

and the other being xeroc

[barren badger]

but we don't know if they know or not

anyway

[wanton pendant]

The chances of all but Permafrost knowing are nearly 0%.
Permafrost knowing is like, 2% at best.

[barren badger]

I just came here to ask, and my question was answered, thanks

[west plume]

the remaining gods are too elusive for yharim. if you can get an audience with them you probably dont need to ask how to ascend

[robust osprey]

even draedon doesnt know that xeroc even exists, it's not too far-fetched to think yharmy ppl other than the yhars dont know the ritual

[untold forge]

and silva is a bit too dead in the abyss trying to put herself back together to tell you

[split mortar]

Why would amidias or calamitas know
Calamitas has negative reasons to know infact

[plucky juniper]

the real issue is how was the ritual even learned in the first place
because from what i recall, xeroc just noped out of terraria RIGHT after his acension

so how did knowledge of the ritual even get leaked

[split mortar]

Cause for a good lot of her life she lived within heavy yharim controlled areas

[barren badger]

just a side note though, there's things the Terrarian does that they really shouldn't know about anyway, so them somehow knowing the ritual isn't unreasonable

[wanton pendant]

He had his phone on him and it spied on him.

[hollow pivot]

I thought Amidias was friends with Tyrian and Ontinilu?

[robust osprey]

doesnt mean he knows the ritual

[wanton pendant]

Canonically, one of the few things you can't have the Terrarian do is know the ritual.

[wanton pendant]

They were his boss, techincally?
Why would they tell him?

What use would the information be?

[split mortar]

Yeah but no reason to teach a possibly long and hard to learn ritual that has no use

[barren badger]

I beg to differ. Nowhere ever does it state the ritual wasn't written about

[split mortar]

Yharims forces have reason to burn them

[wanton pendant]

It probably was.
And it probably had all copies destroyed.

[hollow pivot]

To be fair, Yharim definitely did some book burning.

[barren badger]

after all, many other gods, long, long ago had to learn about it. Nothing says no scholars wrote about it

not to mention, Yharim's crusade couldn't get everything

[wanton pendant]

Are you familiar with what a book burning is?

[barren badger]

are you famililar with the fact that Yharim missed tons of things in his crusade?

[hollow pivot]

But to be fair, these books would be all over the world like the gods.

[wanton pendant]

It encompassed the world.

[barren badger]

..so?

I too could travel across the world and miss tons of things

[split mortar]

Not everything true
But
We play in the ground zero and core of the crusade i doubt theres much chance we get anything

[wanton pendant]

Good luck finding a book detailing it all.

[barren badger]

you can't cover every inch

[west plume]

even if you do find a book you have to kill yharon

which is a different ask

[split mortar]

And get past yharim

[robust osprey]

also that

[wanton pendant]

And you would have to find a book that somehow the entirety of Yharim's forces couldn't.

[hollow pivot]

So the only way you can ascend is post-Yharim as I said earlier.

[barren badger]

this is true, but of course there's many things Yharim missed even in the Heartlands

[robust osprey]

Yharon is very hard to kill given he is the dragon of rebirth

[barren badger]

admittedly that would be quite satisfying

[hollow pivot]

Or find a person that is willing to tell you how to ascend.

[split mortar]

Tbf we do that in the game

[wanton pendant]

Good luck.

[robust osprey]

I mean Actually Kill and retrieve his soul

[barren badger]

well we find plenty of things that his forces either couldn't find or couldn't deal with

[split mortar]

Fair enough
I think its more satisfying to let the guy suffer the eternity of consequence after burning every bridge possible

[wanton pendant]

Like the two gods famed for running away?
Out of potentially thousands?

[hollow pivot]

I mean, Terrarian was able to kill the Slime god when Yharim couldn't so the Terrarian is capable of finding some people Yharim can't.

[wanton pendant]

Killing Slime God is not a case of finding, it's catching.
And it seems slime is slippery.