lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

They're never mentioned in-game.

[split mortar]

We dunno much of shakidou thats prob why

[terse moss]

But different than Noxus

He’s the distortion guy

[wanton pendant]

Unrelated entirely.

[split mortar]

Yeah

[terse moss]

Ok sick

[zenith geode]

noxus is just some kind of entity from the distortion whos completely unrelated to shakidou yeah

[terse moss]

And Braelor was Silva’s champion, but got killed (allegedly) by DoG

[split mortar]

Yea

[zenith geode]

allegedly

[wanton pendant]

Not dead.

Right?

[terse moss]

Along with statis

[split mortar]

Hence the allegedly

[wanton pendant]

Statis is just plain alive and out of there.

[split mortar]

Yeah
Statis escaped by a deal with sognus

[terse moss]

What’s Statis’ deal? Is he related to signus or something

Yeah ok

[wanton pendant]

Signus ripped Statis off.

Cost an arm and a leg.

[split mortar]

Statis is a onyx kinsman member, the last one. Onyx kinsman worship slimegod and signus.

[zenith geode]

well signus had what statis wanted and statis was willing to pay the price, so can you really call it a rip off?

[terse moss]

Those seem like very different groups. Also wasn’t Statis WAY stronger than slime god?

[split mortar]

Ripped off an arm and leg

[wanton pendant]

I'd assume those limbs were ripped off.

[split mortar]

Yes
Slime god is not worshipped out of power but due to being a paragon of balance iirc

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[zenith geode]

or severed we dont know

[terse moss]

Also I assume slime god has very high potential

[zenith geode]

signus' new design has it making a blade with its arm

[wanton pendant]

Perfect Slime God believer over here.

[split mortar]

Eh, slime is rather weak of a domain i dont see sg going beyond deus in power atleast by satiating its hunger

But we dont know for sure since it actively weakens itself so :p theory stuff

[terse moss]

So signus and statis were both assassins. Statis made a deal with signus to escape DoG, and braelor was Silva’s guy who (allegedly) got slimed by DoG. I think he was also related to Uelebloom somehow.

[terse moss]

I just meant if it collected every single slime into a ball. But sheer size alone it could probably crush most things

[dusk laurel]

braelor is 100% alive, and also uelibloom isnt real

[split mortar]

Uelibloom is getting shot dead (removed) eventually

[terse moss]

Oh

Is it getting replaced with whatever Silva armor is made of instead of just silver

[wanton pendant]

Providence themed gear.

[terse moss]

Oh sick

[wanton pendant]

Because why does Providence make plant themed ore?

[terse moss]

I also wondered that

[split mortar]

I remember seeing some thing of symbolising the world she wants to make or smth from i think rebecca
But
That makes literally no sense she wants the world to stay dead forever

[terse moss]

So is it like Providence<DoG<Yharon<SCal<Yharim<Silva<Emptiness Jim<Noxus<Xeroc?

And old ML is also in there somewhere

[wanton pendant]

No.

Calamitas is stronger than all Gods not named Xeroc.

[terse moss]

So Silva and the emptiness guy are between SCal and Yharon?

[wanton pendant]

Probably.

But Silva probably wasn't a fighter.

[terse moss]

Makes sense

[pulsar ocean]

Would silva get out if you threw her corpse in the brimstone crags lava

[wanton pendant]

So on her own, probably not too difficult to defeat, compared to say Shakidou.

[terse moss]

So she just buffed other people like Braelor and the Wyrm

[wanton pendant]

Eventually.

[split mortar]

Providence < DoG < Yharon < emptiness < Scal < Yharim < noxus < prime moonlord < xeroc

I think this the list
Id bet silva is between either dog and yharon or yharon and scal, id say dog and yharon due to the silva armour

[terse moss]

Oh is she like immortal immortal

[split mortar]

Yeah

Unless literally every bit of life is no longer present on the planet she staying

[terse moss]

Well I imagine Silva armor < Silva

[eager bluff]

as long as life exists silva cannot die

[pulsar ocean]

How much yharims to beat noxus

[terse moss]

At least 7

[split mortar]

Including yourself

[split mortar]

The gay amount

[pulsar ocean]

Is that more than 2

[wanton pendant]

Kill all nature to kill Silva.

[terse moss]

So not feasible

Better to put her in a box or something

[split mortar]

Its the gay amount
Yknow

[split mortar]

Or the abyss

[wanton pendant]

Or a giant trench.

[terse moss]

But didn’t that famously not work

[split mortar]

It keeps her down for longer then normal

[eager bluff]

it famously is working currently

[split mortar]

Doobie when will you exist

[pulsar ocean]

Why didn’t yharim try throwing her in shimmer

[wanton pendant]

That just makes her purple.

[terse moss]

They should just put her corpse somewhere and station like one guy with a flamethrower. If she regrows a little, he just blasts her

[split mortar]

She would just fall through the floor

[pulsar ocean]

Is that a bad thing she has no pickaxe

[wanton pendant]

Well, back in the day there was a constant stream of pollutants into the Abyss...

[terse moss]

That’s so funny actually

[eager bluff]

any box will decay given enough time and silva has nothing but time

[wanton pendant]

Everyone starts with a Copper Pickaxe.

[terse moss]

They kept her down by just dumping sewage onto her

Silva after the 1800th sewage container gets dumped directly onto her corpse (it’s been 70 years)

[wanton pendant]

Technically, it's coming from below.

[terse moss]

?

[wanton pendant]

Since Azafure is directly beneath the Abyss.

[terse moss]

Oh right

[wanton pendant]

And the smog filters through the rocks into the Abyss.

That's what made the Sulphurous Sea so sulphurous.

[terse moss]

I thought that was SCal

Or was that different

[pulsar ocean]

How did silva pass all the rocks and mini islands in the abyss and go straight to rock bottom

[wanton pendant]

Of course, with Azafure gone, that will probably clear up... eventually... still a lot of smog I reckon.

[wanton pendant]

Ever hear about pachinko?

[wanton pendant]

Different sea.

[terse moss]

Oh dang

They hate water

[split mortar]

Scal nuked the sunken sea not sulphuric sea

[wanton pendant]

She thought the Electricity Goddess killed her country.

[terse moss]

Oh and made it into the desert?

[wanton pendant]

So she killed her country.

[split mortar]

The surface was always a desert but she made it go from like 90% underground water and 10% underground desert to like 50/50

[terse moss]

I don’t mean to get too into the weeds, I am just genuinely curious, but is there a generally agreed upon like “AP” for some of the heavy hitters (Yharim and below). Like could this guy takeout a country by himself or is he just really good at throwing hands

What’s like the scales we are working at here

[wanton pendant]

AP?

[split mortar]

Attack potency
Powerscale thing

[wanton pendant]

Uh, Yharim is like, can punch holes in mountains kinda strong.

[terse moss]

Fair enough

[wanton pendant]

Slime God could tackle a small army or something.

Xeroc can control the sun.

[split mortar]

Uhh
Not really the dev statements vary a lot from yharim destroying a skyscraper in one hit to a punch atomically vaporising things to him oneshotting small cities to him being able to cleave mountains im half

[terse moss]

I didn’t know if this was a “punch a city” guy or a “wipe a continent” guy

[wanton pendant]

Noxus.

Exists.

Nothing in Calamity could just do away with a continent, not without a long time invested.

[terse moss]

Ok fair

[wanton pendant]

A super buffed Providence in the timeline she wins took like, centuries to destroy the planet.

[split mortar]

Yeah the story would probably snap in half if strong people could 😭

[terse moss]

Like was SCal burning the sulpherous sea a flash burn thing or like a months long campaign of bombardment

[split mortar]

Days to weeks iirc

[wanton pendant]

Days to months.

No clear timeframe.

[split mortar]

But
We also unsure with the sunken sea size

[terse moss]

But not in one go. Gotcha

[split mortar]

Is it the size of turkey or italy? Maybe but theres also things saying mediterranean sea so size for that is also unreliable

[wanton pendant]

Like, if Yharim decided that he didn't like the look of a continent, he could level it, if he dedicated his whole life to it, just punching.
Not with what he has left, of course.

Also it's spelt Türkiye.

(People kept confusing with the bird.)

[split mortar]

I have never seen it spelt that before

[wanton pendant]

It's the official spelling.

[terse moss]

DANG. I thought it was like, a big lake

[split mortar]

Calamitas was also a teen when she did that

[terse moss]

Calamitas is just goated

[split mortar]

Like between 12 and 18 iirc

[eager bluff]

i mean that functionally is what a sea is

[terse moss]

Fair

[wanton pendant]

She was like, 16.

[terse moss]

I think it’s funny that SCal was born absolutely goated, and then immediately decided it was time to throw hands with god

[wanton pendant]

She was not.

[eager bluff]

she wasnt

[terse moss]

No?

[wanton pendant]

Her abilities aren't natural.

[eager bluff]

from what we know she stole some of brimmys power somehow

[wanton pendant]

She got them when she was like, 12, when Brimstone Elemental decided that Azafure should become Ashafure.

[terse moss]

Then why is she SO MUCH stronger than Brimmy, who both should have more, and has had WAY longer to practice

[split mortar]

She was a orphan in poverty as her big brothers tried to get money on the table completely unremarkable and average iirc

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone Elemental used to be stronger and doesn't know what a gym is.

[eager bluff]

because she stole it

[terse moss]

lol

[split mortar]

Brimmy might not even be sapient and last i checked if you get robbed you tend to lose it

[terse moss]

So she might have been like ~Providence?

Pre getting her power stolen and then jumped

[split mortar]

Probably not much weaker then scal in raw power

[wanton pendant]

She destroyed a city.
To be fair, Calamitas accidentally helped with that.

[terse moss]

Oh she was up there

Why was she so much stronger than like Anahita or the cloud/desert elementals

[split mortar]

She is the primordial manifestation of the entire planets heat tbf

[eager bluff]

those ones are all shattered

[terse moss]

Oh, I see

That makes sense

So elementals were effectively like gods themselves

Just of the elements

[split mortar]

Those are divided into a billion pieces, only silva is also full but silva is not jane explosion

[eager bluff]

anahita is the strongest fragment of the water elemental, but there are others, such as ice elementals

[eager bluff]

not exactly

from a real world perspective yes but they wouldnt be classified as gods

due to them not having consumed auric souls unless they were silva who only did that once humans figured it out

they're embodiments of a concept

brimmy is the embodiment of the concept of fire and/or brimstone
silva is the embodiment of the concept of nature
anahita is an embodiment of the concept of water
etc etc

[wanton pendant]

Fairly certain Brimstone is Heat.

[eager bluff]

you cant kill them without first eliminating the concept and to eliminate the concept you have to make it stop existing on terraria

[split mortar]

Just as silva wont die if theres even a bit of life left the same goes for every elemental
Anahita will stay long as theres even a drop of water on the planet, brimmy will while theres even one atom not at absolute zero in the planet, earth staying while theres a single rock on the planet and air staying if theres a single bit of gas on the planet

So its just sorta
Better to kaboom the planet to kill them

[terse moss]

So effectively unkillable

[split mortar]

Yeah

[eager bluff]

yes

[terse moss]

Which no one has the fire power for

[split mortar]

Brimmy is fire/heat

[terse moss]

Except maybe Xeroc idk

[light linden]

I mean

[terse moss]

Throw the sun like a bowling ball

[light linden]

alone?

no

[eager bluff]

only one individual would be even theoretically able to destroy the planet

[wanton pendant]

Give Providence a few centuries, a whole lot of steroids, and some grief.

[split mortar]

Xeroc only one that has sun domain

[eager bluff]

and thats draedon

[light linden]

I bet scal, xeroc, and draedon could do it together

[terse moss]

Well Draedon is enough of a crackhead

[eager bluff]

and for draedon to do that he would need to make a really goddamn big bomb

[split mortar]

The only thing i can think would work in a reasonable amount of time is if xeroc is able to just drag the sun closer

[wanton pendant]

Gravity kinda means it would pull itself back together.

[eager bluff]

hence the goddamn big bomb

[crystal pendant]

He will do it if i ask really nicely i’m sure

[eager bluff]

the bomb has to be large enough to generate enough force to offset the gravity of all the pieces of terraria so the planet doesnt just fall back together

[wanton pendant]

I think that goes beyond Draedon's capabilities.

[split mortar]

For now

[eager bluff]

hence the theoretically

[split mortar]

Surely a bigger then the moon ball of pl beats a planet of normal rock and matter

[eager bluff]

well that also depends on how physical and inherently destructive primordial light is

[wanton pendant]

What if Xeroc uses Xeroc Punch and Xeroc Kick?

[eager bluff]

their ass is not captain falcon

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc Knee, Xeroc Gun, so many Xeroc moves.

[split mortar]

Xeroc Tax

[crystal pendant]

What types are these

[split mortar]

Why type is arceus judgement with the legendary plate

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc type.

[crystal pendant]

I see

[green prairie]

this just reminds me of that one wario greentext

[leaden bridge]

what if xeroc created bears

[green prairie]

did xeroc create him

[plucky juniper]

i cant stop cracking up everytime i see this guy

man looks like he didnt sign up to be a mass murderer

[green prairie]

bear5 vs exos who is the stronger murder robot

[feral skiff]

Bear5 wins because he was created by the Bear5 Empire and therefore he wins.

[scenic olive]

john calamity

vs

john wulfrum

[agile matrix]

john all the mods 9 or john calamity

[pulsar ocean]

Do you guys think xeroc lives on the dark side of the sun

🤔

[wanton pendant]

No, how would he see if it's dark.

[warm gull]

xeroc has a little shack made of primordial light on the sun and the reason nobody can see it is because its too braight

[reef wigeon]

Normal type, Xeroc can change his type with the Convenient Primordial Light Of The Sun God Plates

[reef wigeon]

He doesn't have to

He can just

Have quantum vision
Or something

[craggy sparrow]

There's atleast 5 billion souls that bear 5 ate

hes xeroc's favorite creation

[west plume]

are dragonfollies edible when cooked?
most dragonfollies are edible raw i would say

i don't think it's ever stated that you can't just eat most dragons and draconids

[west plume]

draedon can do considerable damage to the planet and maybe even make it uninhabitable to life in general given no resistance (fairly common feat - providence can also do this) but can't destroy it in any reasonable amount of time and especially can't do something like boil off all the oceans

i think most of the elementals are kinda fundamentally unkillable but you could change them in a way that makes their presence meaningless or superficial

[tepid marten]

Do they taste good
Is it pretty much magic chicken

[west plume]

i don't think the size of the mediterranean sea was close to the size of ilmeris (the confederation) and it makes no sense for calamitas to be able to boil off that much water in any reasonable amount of time. i think more realistically you could argue that the state as a whole was close to the size of venice at it's smallest and maybe lake erie at the largest

it definitely wasn't a small area though and calamitas' kda is somewhere in the millions to tens of millions

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's kill streak beaten by a teenager. The Fraudseeker.

[raven brook]

Worth considering, she didn't really fully boil the sea

As much as she just lowered the water level by evaporating a large amount of it

Which does make it a bit less impressive but also still pretty wild

[west plume]

no, yharim has a higher killstreak

[raven brook]

I'm sure you can eat Most animals raw but the real question is how many different diseases would eating raw dragonfolly give you

Is there a draconic equivalent of the chicken flu

[wanton pendant]

All of them.

[raven brook]

Do you get super chicken flu if you eat it

[west plume]

i think you could prepare wild folly to be safe to consume raw

[wanton pendant]

Salmonella^2.

[eager bluff]

super salmonella or something

[raven brook]

yknow its kinda the barebones bitch meat taste but

dragon would. probably taste like chicken

[west plume]

i think salmonella is more of an industrial folly farming risk

[raven brook]

if not just more muscular chicken

[wanton pendant]

Factory Folly Farming.

[eager bluff]

depends on the dragon i think some of em would have red meat and some of the more aquatic ones would taste like crab

[west plume]

^

dragons are incredibly diverse and would definitely have different diets and meat textures depending on the one ur eating

i think follies would have a sort of wild game texture and taste

[raven brook]

Aquatic dragons would taste more like penguin. whatrever penguin tastes like ive never had penguin nor do i think anyone here has had penguin. but like that

In my head their meat would be closer to white meat than read meat cuz they're more bird adjacent than mammal adjacent

[west plume]

note that i am saying this before any lorewriter has elaborated on in-setting parasites

[raven brook]

But then again i have no fucking idea

What any bird tastes like except for chicken

That's my one point of reference

so

😭

the horrible draconic tapeworm

[eager bluff]

in theory they are but also stuff like jared

[west plume]

we need to get cheese a turkey sandwich

[raven brook]

mm turky ...,,

[eager bluff]

even if jared is an offshoot it still has to shoot off from something

[raven brook]

Jared's design ingame dosen't really reflect how its meant to look much so i'm not really taking it into account cuz yeah current jared def dosent look reptilian in the slightest

[wanton pendant]

What if there's a parasitic dragon.

[raven brook]

I've had a headcanon

Of a lust dragon that's a parasite

Given gluttony dragon exist so fair to assume other sin dragons did aswell

[west plume]

there are definitely parasitic dragons but the ones that gatekept auric souls probably just didn't let them have world soul fragments

[wanton pendant]

Dragons chose who got them?

[raven brook]

dragon brood parasites

[west plume]

generally the auric dragon group has a lot of prejudices about other dragons and it lasts into modern day with which dragons are successful

[raven brook]

like cuckoos ...

Dragon society as a whole was kinda just racist and had a big superiority complex
Not that all of em where but it was the average for their culture and society, afaik vetrasyl being one of the more notable exceptions

[west plume]

auric soul possession was an exclusive group. the only dragons who didn't choose to get auric souls or weren't given one through nepotism were ones who found and absorbed shards naturally

[wanton pendant]

Imagine a really small dragon hiding in your blood...

Weird.

[west plume]

i also wouldn't say that auric dragons were the first individuals to possess world soul fragments but they'd probably like you to think of them that way

[wanton pendant]

Damn it we're back to the Azafure First City question again.

[raven brook]

Dragons are effectively no different than gods if you think about it, the only real difference is

Gods have more layers of Soul

Dragons are. two soul. gods are. three soul

thats kinda it

[west plume]

it isn't really important who had them beforehand i think because dragons are the first notable organization characterized by having world soul fragments

[wanton pendant]

The Auric Penguins got wiped out. Tragic.

[west plume]

previous instances of gods existing would probably just become Folklore and no one used rebirth to keep lineages going

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc can't even be the first god anymore. Because of woke.

[west plume]

occasionally tribes would have a fucked up 70 year old village shaman with the power to make constructs of flame and no one taught him how to do it. that's okay

[eager bluff]

i dont think it makes much sense for auric dragons to not be the first unless the soul shards just disappeared

because their souls are just soul plus world soul shard with nothing extra

[west plume]

yeah

the dragon part isn't rlly important to holding a fragment

[wanton pendant]

Maybe dragons are just to figure out how to absorb them.

[west plume]

definitely among the first to communicate it and make an institution

[wanton pendant]

Imagine being a hunter gatherer and getting a notification that Feudalism has just appeared in the Dragon Aerie and going "What the hell is an Aerie?"

[west plume]

there wouldn't be a notification but the sun starts getting hotter day by day and there's no explanation for it

[wanton pendant]

"Grug, why is the sun playing boss music?"

[long bloom]

the heartlands slowly turn into arizona

[rich coral]

"Why did the sun grow wings?"

[raven brook]

Might be the wrong game

Possibly

[robust osprey]

no the calamity sun has hidden wings

trust

[broken pawn]

i was reading some descriptions and for the rancor's one there's this guy named "Otonilou"
is there any appearance outside of this description of him?

[plucky juniper]

She’s a god, apparently one of the absolute nicest and upstanding of the gods

[split mortar]

She is the goddess of electricity and faced calamitas when she was destroying ilmeris iirc
And yeah one of the nicest we know of

[broken pawn]

may i ask where i can find this info

nvm found it apparently its in the bestiary

[split mortar]

Theres also a introductory doc and a reference doc in the pins

[broken pawn]

yea i alr found it in the sea king's beastiary

speaking of which, it also says that there were 2 gods that were around back then

Otonilou and alas

[split mortar]

Yeah tyrian god of the seas

[split mortar]

Alas?

[young socket]

thats a different sentence

sob

[raven brook]

Alas is a word

[limpid saddle]

(I think it's a 'My brother will' situation)

[limpid saddle]

Yup i was right

[limpid saddle]

Tyrian is the god of the seas

He has not been name-dropped intentionally

[split mortar]

Alas is in a different sentence there

[split mortar]

Why…

[broken pawn]

prob got confused with that "and" in "and the elusive god of the sea"

cuz yknow usually u use "and" when theres something else

[raven brook]

The electric goddess, Otonilou
And (As in, another god)
The elusive god of the seas

End sentence

There are two (Well, were) two Illmeran gods

The god of the seas just isn't namedropped ingame atm

We do know his name is Tyrian from the discord though, and both him and Otonilou will get more ingame lore on them infuture updates

[broken pawn]

also

when the beastiary talks abt how "he" was respected by the opposers of yharim's godseekers

[raven brook]

Which bestiary entry specifically?

[broken pawn]

and since we know and otonilou was a goddess

it may be implied that she's maybe still alive?

[broken pawn]

sea king's

[wanton pendant]

Otonilou is very dead.

[raven brook]

Otonilou was killed in the Illmeris incineration

[split mortar]

Otonilou directly faced calamitas iirc i think she got obliterated

[wanton pendant]

I believe the technical term is fried jellyfish.

[raven brook]

I don't understand how anything there implies her being possibly alive

[broken pawn]

damn

sucks to suck ig

[raven brook]

He as in Amidias

He remains respected by those who opposed Yharim, but his kingdom is no more (As it was destroyed)

[broken pawn]

fair

[long bloom]

ilmeris is no more more

[agile matrix]

do they cease to be gods of illmeris once they die

[raven brook]

no but they're dead

[agile matrix]

even if illmeris is rubble i argue they're still like. patron saints.

[wanton pendant]

Well, there's no Ilmeris or gods, so change that wikipedia article to past tense.

[agile matrix]

yeah they dead but they're still gods of illmeris

[raven brook]

well probably dead otonilou is dead dead

tyrian is probably dead

semantics brah

[agile matrix]

i lvoe semantics

[reef wigeon]

Hello

I am Nitro

I have Felix Cor Ex

[long bloom]

no they're not
because they don't exist

and neither does ilmeris

[leaden bridge]

Why doesn't amidias just end his life so he can reunite with his loved ones in fish heaven, as he fully knows his kingdom is gone and nothing will ever bring it back? What purpose motivates him to cling to life? Is he stupid?

[wanton pendant]

Amidias is fish atheist and fears the dark void of oblivion.

[leaden bridge]

Ah, i see

[modest elk]

why arent rage and adrenaline the same thing?

[wanton pendant]

Because they are different things in real life.

[modest elk]

but doesnt rage involve adrenaline?

[split mortar]

Mgrr reference

[wanton pendant]

You can be angry without being super pumped up.

[pulsar ocean]

when do you pop adrenaline in mgr

[split mortar]

Idk havent played probably when you are angry and punch the screen tho

[pulsar ocean]

this is not accurate actually

[split mortar]

You dont have adrenaline when doing that?

[mellow junco]

Do yall think the old Duke served in the vietnam war

[green prairie]

no but he totally dodged the Auric Dragons vs Fovos battle

[wanton pendant]

He's old and wealthy, he absolutely didn't.

[hollow pivot]

Old Duke actually wrote fairy tales about himself and sold them, that's how he got the money he drops.

[agile matrix]

he hates the holdiays

that was until the dragon of christmas past, present, and future showedu p

[wanton pendant]

I remember...

[agile matrix]

showed him dying to us at the end and he was like "holy shit i gotta be Jolly"

and thats how we got Santa Claus

[sleek axle]

How do i use draedons remote? Im spamming it at night and it not work

[limpid saddle]

What?

[wanton pendant]

Also this is Lore Discussion.

Not the ideal place for gameplay help.

[zenith geode]

that item also doesnt exist anymore it got removed in cal 2.0 iirc

[sleek axle]

Sorry i thought i was in help and advice

[raw nest]

In universe reason why do we fight the calamitas clone?

[pulsar ocean]

idk she crazy prolly attacked us first

[wanton pendant]

She's insane and lashing out wildly, most likely.

[hollow pivot]

After testing many different variants for decades, both the Plague and its goliath were born
Is PBG so large because Draedon selectively bred the biggest bee possible or did he just get lucky and happen to find the only goliath?

[wanton pendant]

I think it's just a particularly far in infection specimen and has been much more modified than later victims.

Also probably pumped full of steroids and growth hormones and whatever science goop he has lying around.

[hollow pivot]

The only person who just throws science goop at stuff is the Terrarian.

[wanton pendant]

Science goop is a pillar of the scientific method I'll have you know!

[hollow pivot]

No, Science Sludge is a pillar of the scientific method.
Science Goop is a discovery made by the Terrarian.

[scenic olive]

i headcanoned god slayer dash as epic dropkick

[pulsar ocean]

Faz goo

[normal mantle]

Is yharim a reliable source of info? Even if it’s just through the boss items

Also what happened to the yharim drugs that was like my go to buff

[plucky juniper]

not really

[hollow pivot]

Yharim is a really biased source, but he doesn't tell many direct lies, he mainly uses things like hyperbole.

[hollow pivot]

Draedon is a less biased source, but his knowledge is more specialized.

[hollow pivot]

Bestiary is objective and says the most information, but most of the information is small and unrelated.

[hollow pivot]

And Dev Statements exist and can say some very important stuff but they're the most subject to change.

[normal mantle]

How I see it he doesn’t have a reason to withhold or lie about stuff because he literally has nothing left to lose

[hollow pivot]

I think Yharim has one thing left to lose, the Terrarian. Currently, his whole goal is to manipulate the Terrarian into being Yharim 2.0.
So he is willing to deceive if it has to be done to make the Terrarian take over the Crusade.

[normal mantle]

Like as of the time we play through he’s like thanos after infinity war

He didn’t have much other than yharim and probably some empty fortress on the Eyrie

Yharon

[hollow pivot]

And example of this would be calling every god guilty for killing a Dragon.

[normal mantle]

I mean that is correct

But there’s more factors to it

[hollow pivot]

No there are evil Dragons.

[hollow pivot]

Now even though Providence turned out to be worse, the Dragon of Flame an absolute maniac.

[normal mantle]

Some gods had to have been made out of good will and some dragons had to have died for more than just their souls

Like there’s more details but after Xeroc there has to have been the majority who killed the dragons for their souls just because he showed them that they can

[eager bluff]

not particularly

every time he says something its a gamble on if hes telling the truth, not telling the whole truth, or spinning the truth in a way that will benefit him

[ruby heart]

Fishrons yes, they also have a hierarchy as you can see with Duke fishron. Follies not really, they are as smart as like a bee, they have a hierarchy system too, they work together and stuff but they arent sentient

he already has a really good example of a racist evil dragon right by his side though (yharon)

its either that he blinds himself to the truth (ignores it), knows of it and choose to keep going anyway and sides with what Yharon did and see it as righteous, or he plainly dont know of it and is fed misinformation by Yharon which is unlikely since he has access to the aerie, years of knowledge and was under the gods for a while (unless he thinks all of it is also propaganda to make the dragons look bad to "justify" the genocide)

[brazen coral]

friend dragon*

[ruby heart]

not that the dragon genocide was a good thing, but also the dragons werent saint and a lot of them sucked and their entire society was based on opression of other races and power monopoly (a lot of them were good too like vetrasyl but they also were part of the system and were complacent to it)

[hollow pivot]

#lore-discussion message
Some Follies are sapient.

[split mortar]

He does tho, he wants to manipulate you to continue his crusade
Also even if he isnt trying to lie he is still susceptible to being wrong like calling weaver part of dogs species

[woeful hatch]

Did you reply to a dev with their own message

[stoic gulch]

[terse moss]

wait that's not true?

bruh

what is it then

[split mortar]

Draedon calls yharim out for being wrong
We dont know for sure but there is a theory weaver is a prototype version of dog or smth

[terse moss]

Thats really funny actually

Yharim just says stuff and then Draedon comes in with the "Um actually 🤓 ☝️ " but no one listens to him

That probably infuriates him that Yharim just spreads misinfo

[mighty zenith]

tbf only one of them studies the distortion wildlife

yharim just gave a guess based on context clues of what he knows

[terse moss]

True, I just think Draedon is the type of person to get really upset when people are just wrong, but he knows he cannot correct the misinfo fast enough

[red grove]

Guys if people who killed dragon became gods then why when we killed yharon we didn't became God?

[woeful hatch]

Ok so, ascension is not as simple as killing a dragon, there's rituals about it too

Secondly, yharon is a special dragon, the dragon of rebirth, where his soul teleports to the aerie to regenerate when he dies. Other dragons didn't have their soul be teleported to the aerie, as normally, it would be yharon reviving them

[warm gull]

we already are god

the game runs on our computer and thus we control the world machine

[long bloom]

there's a specific ritual to absorb an auric soul that we don't know, and nobody who knows it wants to or can tell us
and yharon's soul specifically teleports to the dragon aerie when he dies, because he's the dragon of rebirth

[raven brook]

I always thought the "duke" wasn't literal and more of just an adjective to indicate like. hey this is a really fucking big fishron

either as its species or just like a title given to this particular individual

[wanton pendant]

Viscount Fishron kinda sucks, in comparison.

[crude musk]

Duke but you fight him in a small stone building in a cave

[pulsar ocean]

duke erisia

[icy veldt]

The first part of this explanation is contradicted by the rest of it. If even the good dragons were still complicit in widespread tyranny, then none of them were good

[long bloom]

one of the main points of calamity is that morality is infinitely nuanced

[eternal veldt]

It is a tale of a cruel world after all

[icy veldt]

To be completely sincere, I don't actually disagree that morality is nuanced, e.g. there were very much some gods that were evil, but I'm just not convinced that the dragons didn't deserve to be wiped out, if even the best of them still contributed to their oppressive rule

[eternal veldt]

Didn't the gods also do tis typa shi?

[pulsar ocean]

okay but they didnt make the surface uninhabitable

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough yharim just played dirty. If he actually had a brain i would have respected his decisions more

[icy veldt]

Even if some of them did, their civilizations were not nearly as monolithic as that of the dragons, and most of them were far less detached from ordinary people than the dragons were, the only real exceptions being the most powerful, like Xeroc or Providence

[icy veldt]

If Yharim had a brain, he would've been even worse, just by being more effective at achieving his goals

[eternal veldt]

Sooo dragons by modern society standards were worst than the gods?

[icy veldt]

By the intersection of each of the sets of standards held by pretty much any reasonable person in any era of known history, I'd say so

[eternal veldt]

No. If he had a brain he would have seen through yharon's words. But hey atleast the KFC is actually loyal.

Died fighting us so he can save his human

[long bloom]

he knows yharon is biased

he just doesn't care

[eternal veldt]

I wonder if dragonfolly would work as a dragonfly instead of birb

Fought in the jungle and stuff. But ig the update that makes them switch with hivemind works

[eternal veldt]

He would if he had a brain ngl.

[stoic lark]

Yea

[eternal veldt]

She's nice. We ain't

[eternal veldt]

We? We? Who tf is we. You speakin french?

[icy veldt]

Intellect doesn't guarantee moral correctness. Yharim "having a brain" wouldn't be some upstanding nuance-pilled reformer, he'd be even worse because the immorality of his goals would not be righted

[eternal veldt]

There are multiple differesnt types of smart ngl.

Yharim is smart

[dusk laurel]

dragonfolly will be a sky boss btw

[eternal veldt]

Yeah the switch with hivemind

[long bloom]

dementia

[icy veldt]

Your earlier claims certainly didn't seem informed by that

[crude musk]

I do wonder what yharon's relationship with yharim really is

How much of it is genuine friendship and how much is yharon using yharim for his goals

[raven brook]

I mean yharon did kill himself for yharim, sure its still not like hell be permanently dead but

I like to think at first Yharon saw Yharim as a martyr, "This human shares my vision, i will lead him to the right path so he can avenge our kind"

Not really a friend as much as it was like, a loyal knight who'd fight for his name

but as the years passed

Yharon is lonely as fuck he has NOBODY

and despite all of that Yharim stuck by his side and is

the only person he has left

the only one who can even understand him (telepathy attunement n all that)

At first i think Yharon didn't see Yharim as a friend necessarily

But by now he

definitely does

[crude musk]

That begs the question, why did yharon spend so much time trying to avenge his race instead of killing the gods that killed his friends and moving on

[long bloom]

because he's also evil

[crude musk]

Ok but that doesn't narrow it down that much

[mighty zenith]

because he also sees all gods as evil

its where yharim got that from

yharon is deeply traumatized due to living (and pressumebly dying) to see all of the auric dragons die

[crude musk]

Ig in his mind he has nothing left except the prospect of revenge

His whole domain only worked on dragons so he's kinda lost his purpose

I kinda want to know if he was always horrible (like flame) or if he became like that due to the dragon genocides

Do we have any such info from a dev statement or something?

[eternal swan]

Hi,who I am

[balmy glacier]

a guy

[green prairie]

little Dragon Cult related question, was the dungeon ever anything before it was turned into basically a stronghold? Or did it always have that gothic kind of feel to it?

[long bloom]

it was a giant library

as stated in the skeletron lore item iirc

[young socket]

librarby from undertale

[long bloom]

true..

[green prairie]

i assume it would be kind of a gothic church mixed with a library? (i'm doing a custom dungeon entrance build if you can't tell)

[raven brook]

i think

[cloud ibex]

I imagine he wasn’t outwardly evil but maybe a bit of a shithead to non dragons

[raven brook]

Yharon always saw Dragons as a superior race from the getgo, we know Dragon society at large was kinda opressive, even if not every dragon was, and he was like, the biggest symbol of that, as he'd makre sure the dragons's reing would last forever

but yeah

i dont think he was Evil at first

just

arrogant

[cloud ibex]

And also probably had at least a little bit of a superiority complex in general cause like. Without him all the other dragons wouldn’t be able to live forever

[raven brook]

But after every single person he has ever known died and he laost his sense of purpose

The only thing he had left was an attempt to make the gods pay for what they did, regardless of the reason or logic behind it

[mighty zenith]

mildly racist dragon

[cloud ibex]

He wasn’t a competitive racist like OD is, just a casual one

[green prairie]

i like to imagine Yharon (and probably some of the other dragons too) had a bit of a savior complex too, considering that his kind were once the unmatched guardians of Terraria

[long bloom]

true

[cloud ibex]

I can see that being real too

Overall I doubt Yharon would go out of his way to be an asshole to non dragons but he probably did look down at them

[green prairie]

i really wanna learn more about Zeratros, should we ever get more information on them. were they a huge asshole like the other dragons we know of? or was he actually chill for once

[long bloom]

dunno

he was the one that kept the sun as a deadly laser so like
inconsiderate to other life at best

but that's literally all information

[green prairie]

well without a deadly laser, what would warm the world?

[surreal cosmos]

have fun with this information despite it not being canon

[long bloom]

just
regular sun

[zenith geode]

damn noncanon

[long bloom]

like xeroc did

[surreal cosmos]

listen doze said it

it's at least PARTIALLY true now

[green prairie]

can't believe zeratros is evil. can anyone not be problematic?

[long bloom]

agnus 😇

[raven brook]

I like to think Zeratros was really pragmatic

Lawful neutral type figure

[green prairie]

at least he isn't like. actively a racist jerk like a lot of the others (or full-on genocidal like Flame was iirc)

[raven brook]

Idk if flame was genocidal

That's more of Yharon's thing

still was evil tho

Like i don't think afaik he had like a long-term goal like yharon of Killing Every (x group)

[green prairie]

i may be getting him mixed up with Provi

[raven brook]

provi is the omnicidal one

Kill EVERYONE

[raven brook]

Zaelithar/Flame Dragon seems more like he'd just kill people if he wanted to

Rather than specifically wanting to erase a group off the map

Which Yharon does

and then Providence is

erase everyone off the map

[dusk laurel]

zaelithar and war couldve been buddies idk

[green prairie]

if Gluttony wasn't considered a menace but Flame was i don't wanna know what he did

[dusk laurel]

flame got exiled

kicked out of dragon heaven

[green prairie]

literally sent to hell for his crimes. Giratina would like a word

[raven brook]

Yeah given that

Gluttony apparently was also kinda evil and wasn't exhiled

btu flame was

it's clear flame did something that REALLY pissed the other auric dragons off

[long bloom]

would be cool if he killed a dragon

[green prairie]

mega mammoth dragon reincarnated

[long bloom]

no that's the one shinryu killed

[green prairie]

whatever we already have a cosmic being that killed a bunch of dragons. that being steve

[terse moss]

Wait was Yharon a hyper racist?

[raven brook]

no that's old duke

old duke survived all the way from the draconic era to now with the unbridled power of being too racist to die

[long bloom]

yharon is a regular racist

old duke is a ranked competitive racist

[terse moss]

Wait who was Yharon racist against

[green prairie]

all Gods and their followers (though in his defense, i'd say he had a noble reason)

[terse moss]

Fair enough

[green prairie]

Old Duke was just greedy and was mad he didn't have more power

[terse moss]

That’s not really racist tho. Racism is largely bad because it’s based on characteristics that are not controlled and don’t matter. The gods and their followers could’ve jus chosen to not do that

He just dislikes people due to their actions and beliefs

[long bloom]

no he was explicitly racist against all dragonkind

[green prairie]

yeah i should've mentioned that part oops

OD was pissed he never got an Auric Soul and a domain, so he enslaved other dragons to make his own domain!

[terse moss]

Wait how. Isn’t he weaker than the “true dragons”

[green prairie]

current Old Duke isn't what the new one is gonna be, he's an actual dragon

[long bloom]

he's almost as strong as yharon, the second strongest auric dragon ever

[green prairie]

(just not an Auric one. i think his new design is more like eastern dragons?)

[terse moss]

Dang, fair enough

John Le Racist

[green prairie]

he's a strong old-ass man, but that wasn't strong enough for him

[raven brook]

Having a domain isn't necessarily a surefire way to make yourself powerful

it just gives you a specific set of powers, not a general power boost or anything

A dragon without a domain can be far stronger than one with an auric domain under the right circumstances which yeah

old duke

literally outlived every single auric dragon but yharon and is stronger than like

probably 90% of the auric dragons 😭

almost as strong as the 2nd strongest one ever

[terse moss]

His domain is racism

If he is fighting someone he dislikes unjustly he gets stronger

[raven brook]

local dragon too angry to die, make it everyone else's problem

fucked up too how

the last auric soul ever

was that of the dragon of faith

just to rub salt in the wound, the last auric soul before old duke and his inabiltiy to get one was fucking

the one that symbolizes the faith in the auric dragons

bro wouldve been pissed off

i mean not wouldve

he evidently. is

[terse moss]

Isn’t Yharon rebirth?

[long bloom]

yeah

[zenith geode]

yeah

[terse moss]

Wait who is faith then

[long bloom]

???

[raven brook]

the last auric dragon to ever exist

as in

[zenith geode]

last one to get an auric soul

[raven brook]

after him, they ran out of world soul shards

[long bloom]

the last one to obtain an auric soul

[raven brook]

and thus no more auric souls could be made again

yeah

[terse moss]

OH

[raven brook]

not as in the last one to survive

thats yharon yeah

and it wouldve pissed tf out of old duke because

if itw asnt for faith

hed probably have gotten that world soul shard

and out of all of them it HAD to be faith 😭

[long bloom]

faith was killed and absorbed by their own monk (dogma)

[terse moss]

That’s fire actually

[raven brook]

Tbf i would say its not just greed and powerlust to thats def a part of it

Like, i do think

part of it was

a inferiority complex/being an outcast and looked down upon

Again we know auric dragon society at large was

one that definitely looked down on other species

and had a superiority complex

oh my god

[long bloom]

wat

ch
cheese?

[raven brook]

i had a horrible fucking realization im dming laura

[long bloom]

scary

[raven brook]

old duke

is literally

donquixote doflamingo from one piece

[pulsar ocean]

were there gods previously

[raven brook]

im dying

[long bloom]

previously to what

[pulsar ocean]

like before auric dragons

like a shit ton of time ago

[long bloom]

extremely unlikely

[ruby heart]

Because he also can't let other races have auric souls/ world soul shards. Its a thing he believes only the dragons are righteous to have

[long bloom]

oh that makes sense

[ruby heart]

Yharon whole power is that

Keeping the dragon monopoly and control going on forever

[ruby heart]

I mean yes, if you go by a human perspective

The auric dragons sucked and were worse than the gods

You were forced underground, didnt had any right

[wanton pendant]

Reverse Undertale.

[ruby heart]

But from a neutral perspective, the gods by the end kinda ended up doing the same thing as the auric dragons

[ruby heart]

His purpouse was keeping the dragon monopoly and hold over the world, and he is still doing that

And he always was like that yes, i mean he didnt had a reason to do a genocide back then but he always saw other species as nothing

[raven brook]

The main diff betweren dragons and gods imo in that sense is that

While dragons weren't necessarily all bad (Look at vetrasyl), dragons were unified under a singular civilization. This made dragon society at large lean into being opressive in a way that gods would never be able to be due to them being much more independent in their ways, there can be evil asf gods like providence, but its not like every single god is unified under a single civilization that intentionally or not, opresses non-gods

[ruby heart]

Yea

The closest to a god society would be the council thing, but it is still not comparable to

The auric dragons

[pulsar ocean]

wow yharon is more racist than i thought

[ruby heart]

Zeratros did

John raising the sun and sending everyone underground because he is "saving" them

Wouldnt say zeratros is evil, or well he thought he was doing good but he was still complacent to yharon doings

[ruby heart]

There is a reason the aerie also bans offshoots

( their own descendants )

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt all plant life burn if sun was so hot it made surface uninhabitable for everyone but dragons

[long bloom]

saving from what

the eternal night beyond

[ruby heart]

So far what dragon of flame did was

Stabilish control over a part of hell and adopt the obsidian serpent species as his sons ( a non dragon species )

Considering the other auric dragons like yharon, he isnt doing that bad 🥹

[ruby heart]

"Future threats" ™

Which indeed were real

But the dragons epic failed at that

And almost got wiped

[cloud ibex]

Cowabummer!

[pulsar ocean]

do you guys think yharim would be stronger than noxus if he perfectly ate yharon

[ruby heart]

If he ascended from yharon soul and did the bare minimum

Yea he would be close to xeroc level

Power scaling..

[long bloom]

did the god society have access to the terminus

[pulsar ocean]

does jared even realize whats the rock he's guarding

[pulsar ocean]

i feel like xeroc would gatekeep it

[long bloom]

whatever they were doing clearly didn't stop silva

[pulsar ocean]

would yharon give up his soul if it meant they had a chance at taking down xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Silva has a tendency to enter deep trenches which is also a great hiding place for ancient artifacts.

[long bloom]

[pulsar ocean]

do we even have any info on how xeroc conjured up the terminus

[long bloom]

it's not even explicitly confirmed that they created it iirc

[pulsar ocean]

why is it glowing red

[long bloom]

it's not

[pulsar ocean]

rahhh the wiki isnt updated

[pulsar ocean]

why is it glowing gold

[long bloom]

primordial light probably

[zenith geode]

considering its the primordial light sigil very likely

[pulsar ocean]

did the monks get to use primordial light in some way

[long bloom]

:idk:

[wanton pendant]

At least one did.

[pulsar ocean]

empress of light used to be a monk 🤔

[wanton pendant]

No...

[pulsar ocean]

yes!

[wanton pendant]

Probably not...

[pulsar ocean]

thats it!

the only logical explanation

[icy veldt]

Wouldn't she have been a nun in that case, not a monk?

[cloud ibex]

I don’t think those are the same

[wheat walrus]

nabbing this

oh wait i alr had it elsewhere

hmm

i have 3 now,,,

aaanyways lore

[raven brook]

I'm prettyyy sure he burned people down

[spare pier]

He did, infact, burn people down

Refer to Relic of Deliverance's tooltip

[wanton pendant]

Have you considered that the people deserved it?

[light linden]

hi laura

[ruby heart]

Zeratros is also cooking people on the surface and everyone is calling him righteous and benign

Just by adopting serpents he is doing better than 50% of the auric dragons smh

Mostly joking but on the scale of things and other dragon actions, flame dragon isnt really that bad to be taken as the example of evil dragon

Principally if you compare him to yharon

[raven brook]

i mean yharon's kinda hard to beat

[ruby heart]

I wonder if most users rn dont see yharon as bad as he actually is due to him having zero dialogue and personality ingame

[raven brook]

dudes genocidal 😭 😭

[ruby heart]

Not only genocidal

But he was the main one propagating the dragon supremacy thing and maintaining the monopoly and hold

[raven brook]

I think it's pretty commonly agreed that Yharon is really godamn evil

Like i don't think he was AS evil at first but yeah he feels like

[ruby heart]

To the point i feel like yharon sees

Flame dragon adopting the serpents as a worse crime than him burning people

[raven brook]

He'd have been really arrogant from the getgo, he cared about other auric dragons but looked down on everything else

[ruby heart]

I do wonder what his crime was specifically to be exiled though.. i think venus user is working on that

[ruby heart]

He was always mostly like that

He just didnt had a reason to do a genocide

[raven brook]

Tbh i kinda feel like just making Yharon completely evil and horrid from the getgo is less interesting than him always having been kind of an ass but just uncaring towards anything that wasn't an auric dragon, seeing them as inferior, and that eventually boiled down and led to him actually hating them when the dragon genocide happened

Like draconic era Yharon wouldn't hate humans or other living beings, he just didn't care about them and thought they were inherently inferior to auric dragonkind

[ruby heart]

As i said he didnt explicitely hate them, neither had a reason to do a genocide at the time

But he wasnt good at all

He wasnt just an " ass"

If you see how dragon society works and how yharon was at the center of it

Yharon is p much the synthesis of all that was wrong during the draconic era

[plucky juniper]

this is another reason why yharon should be fought and defeated AFTER scal and exos

[ruby heart]

There will be yharim for that

In 2030

Do think yharon is a interesting character though, im not really talking fully about it here

[raven brook]

We actually have more known evil ass dragons than good ones lol

[ruby heart]

The only trully good one so far that is known

Is vetrasyl

[raven brook]

There's Vetrasyl and maybe Death (?)

And then for evil ones theres. Zaelithar. Gluttony. Yharon

[ruby heart]

Who tried making a human aerie and offered his soul

[raven brook]

Everything else

we dont really know

[ruby heart]

Gluttony is neutral sort of i think

Death was good too

Life and tides have zero character so far so idk how they were

Zeratros is technically good but he was also complacent to yharon actions, letting him do his stuff and also the entire dragon monopoly

[raven brook]

Tides feels neutral to me but yeah we know fucking nothing lol

[ruby heart]

He also banished humanity to the underground

Thinking he was doing a good thing

[raven brook]

Zeratros and Xeroc both being different versions of

Person who's trying to do good things and has good intentions but also kinda fumbles at it due to mistakes they make

trust

[ruby heart]

Zeratros and xeroc are pretty similar in actions

Too focused on one thing

[raven brook]

yeah

xeroc distortion paranoia!!!

[ruby heart]

Like how xeroc let yharim does his stuff

[raven brook]

xeroc fovos ptsd!!1

[ruby heart]

Like

I think a lot of people still see yharon as a good guy or yharim pet

Hopefully the redesign + fight rework and presentation helps to showcase him better

Ngl if yharon had voice acting, i see him sounding like v2 snail from ac6

[raven brook]

Atleast in the lore circle i don't think anyone sees him as that, but outside of that

Yeah

ALOT

of people

still see Yharon as Yharim's pet

cute floofy wholesome chungus dragon

look inside

[plucky juniper]

its because ROTJD and also

he's literally the last of his kind

that fucking sucks no matter what you are

it sucks to be the last of your kind

[raven brook]

old ass man who supported a opressive government and is a genocidal maniac

[raven brook]

Not really

Most people who think

yharon is yharims pet

dont fucking know any of this lol

That's not making Yharon innocent, it just adds nuance to his character, and i think ppl here are well aware of that

the point is sthat people who aren't as knowledgeable abt the lore think hes innocent cuz theres not much yharon characterization ingame rn

[ruby heart]

Think of yharon as a living corruption/ crimson

Rot from a bygone era

Still haunting the world and not letting it progress

[light linden]

hey triangle

have this

[ruby heart]

Umbreon

[long bloom]

i had to explain how he was evil to a reddit user today

[wanton pendant]

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

[plucky juniper]

im not even trying to deny that he's not innocent

also do not forget the whole implementation issue

[raven brook]

I mean yeah that was brought up just now

[plucky juniper]

like, literally nowhere does the game even suggest that zeratros actually made the surface uninhabitable for humans in the first place

[raven brook]

As triangle said, it comes from the fact there isn't enough stuff ingame

[plucky juniper]

there is so much context missing its insane

[wanton pendant]

Global Warming Update when?

[plucky juniper]

i am also of the mind that yharon feels more like he should be written as a sympathetic villain rather than a monstrous villain that he apparently is

you do not have a awesome theme that makes you sound like a poor loyal dragon and then have the lore state you propagated a supremacist government

[wanton pendant]

Don't be so remorseful for furry Himmler.

[ruby heart]

He is loyal to yharim and to the dragon cause

But that dont make him innocent or good

[wanton pendant]

Even a devil may cry...

[plucky juniper]

even then, there is still missing context...

[ruby heart]

Yea ingame the proper implementation isnt real

[plucky juniper]

without the context, you'd assume the majority of the atrocities commited in yharim's cause were not because of yharon

also anyhow

[ruby heart]

Principally considering rn the main source of info is

Yharim

Lore items are biased

And are yharim view of it

[wanton pendant]

If anything, many assume the opposite and that Yharon is the true mastermind.

[plucky juniper]

implementation issue aside i think this should be the case because yharon is such a pivotal character to the story

[ruby heart]

He kinda is..

Sorta

Both are

[plucky juniper]

he is WHY yharim went on this whole genocide thing

[vital geyser]

It’s being complicit with genocide at best even if the intentions are noble

[long bloom]

they enable each other

[ruby heart]

Yea

[plucky juniper]

well that and also the horrible god cult

[ruby heart]

Yharim already disliked the gods before, he didnt decide to go on it exclusively due to yharon

Being fed dragon propaganda daily and enabled

Didnt help much

[long bloom]

not a cult apparently

[ruby heart]

Not a cult yea

And neither fully horrible or well yes.. it was a god aerie

As bad as the dragons yharim defend

[wanton pendant]

A union of divine guys who convene every second month.

They have t-shirts.

[ruby heart]

True

[plucky juniper]

but compared to that, yharon sounds far more important compared to the
-supersoldier with trauma
-yharim's robot engineer's strongest creations

like, those are cool, yea

but i reckon yharon would be much better suited as a penultimate boss than either of those 2

[wanton pendant]

Yharon made Yharim that extreme, Yharim made Draedon and Calamitas that extreme.

[ruby heart]

Draedon was always like that

Although yharim gave him materials

[wanton pendant]

Better shows the consequences of Yharim.
I mean in the superweapon market.

[plucky juniper]

still...

[ruby heart]

I think yharon being before yharim would be a bit boring

[plucky juniper]

yharon's song isnt even about his last of his kind thing

[ruby heart]

You go from auric guy to auric guy

[vital geyser]

Yo guys donate to the mega murder machine crusade fundraiser also sponsored by Red Bull

[plucky juniper]

its about him realizing you probably are going to murder yharim

ya also gotta remember

yharim is FINAL BOSS

of a future calamity

[wanton pendant]

Draedon was probably researching stupid nerd stuff like 'cure for cancer' and 'new elements' before Yharim shows him the light of killer robots.

[plucky juniper]

calamity rn just has 2 final bosses for some reason

[wanton pendant]

Those two final bosses were Yharim's greatest assets.

[plucky juniper]

okay but

yharon was the guy who basically stood at yharim's side

and encouraged him on the whole killallgods thing

[vital geyser]

It’s kind of funny that draedon researched the effects of pollution even though he thought it was unnecessary

He would cure cancer because of wanting to have the knowledge

[sinful adder]

Yeah

Draedon does not care about anything except survival and research

[analog spindle]

Correct me if I'm wrong but somewhere in the lore doesn't it say that Draedon could fix the sulphorus sea if he wanted to?

[vital geyser]

It does

[wanton pendant]

According to himself.

[vital geyser]

He says it would be trivial

[analog spindle]

"i could easily fix the sulphorus sea, but I would rather build a sick robot" -Dreadon probably

[vital geyser]

Duh

Also you could argue he’s leaving it as is to research the effects of high radiation on terraria’s life

[wanton pendant]

Fairly certain he says that.

[green prairie]

he doesn't say that exactly but he does express that he can just rebuild it

(he did still study it though)

[pulsar ocean]

Why aren’t auric landmines just normal landmines if they’re made out of tamed auric

[wanton pendant]

Auric completes the mission no matter what.

[limpid saddle]

auric guy to autistic guy

[crystal pendant]

Autism ore

[terse moss]

“I don’t want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs”

[wanton pendant]

"I don't want to solve pollution, I want to strap guns to bees!"

[terse moss]

Isn’t that why Yharim kicked him out? The plague bees?

[long bloom]

yeah

well
mostly the plague in general

[terse moss]

Why did he just make a plague and drop it somewhere

Like that doesn’t feel very strategically viable

[long bloom]

draedon didn't release it
yharim punched the lab so hard it exploded

[terse moss]

Wait that’s hilarious

Why

[long bloom]

he was angy

and greatly underestimated his strength

[terse moss]

So he got mad at Draedon because he himself released a plague

[raven brook]

He got mad at draedon for making the plague to begin with

[long bloom]

yeah

[raven brook]

In an outburst of rage he released pbg

[terse moss]

Why not just kill it

He could in like a few seconds, tops

[raven brook]

because he wanted it to be free

[long bloom]

good question

[raven brook]

The reason he was angry was bcuz the plague is effectively slavery

He was furious towards Draedon's actions going directly against his morals and in a action motivated not by rational thought or logic but emotion he relesaed it

[terse moss]

Didn’t he literally have a dungeon where prisoners worked until they died

[long bloom]

prisoners were imprisoned until they died

[icy veldt]

He also wasn't looking at it at the moment. Out of sight, out of mind

[cosmic zenith]

Peak sentence

[raven brook]

He didn't make them work, they were just prisoners of war

Yharim is vehemently against slavery

[terse moss]

I guess that’s a little better?

[icy veldt]

Physical enslavement, to be specific

[raven brook]

Enslavemenet in general

[feral dagger]

W Yharim

[terse moss]

It’s still just “the torture pit” (tm)

[raven brook]

Yeah it's still morally despicable

[spare pier]

It's not slavery if you're not convinced it is.

[raven brook]

It's just not slavery

[spare pier]

According to Yharim, that is.

[raven brook]

Yharim isn't devoid of a moral compass his moral compass just fucking sucks

[icy veldt]

So he was against grooming Calamitas into being his living weapon?

[terse moss]

lol

[terse moss]

No but that’s “””convincing”””

[wanton pendant]

Put people in chains? Bad.
Manipulate them until they serve you? Good!

[icy veldt]

Just because it relies on manipulation and not physically-visible chains doesn't mean it's not enslavement

[terse moss]

Very different you see

[wanton pendant]

It's called advanced hiring tactics.

[spare pier]

I feel like I shouldn't talk about this because it's hard to identify when I'm being ironic.

[raven brook]

Well he groomed her and manipulated her and convinced her she was doing the right thing when she was extremely vunerable due to a series of tragedies and being incredibly young

But he did not FORCE her to do anything, on technicality

[terse moss]

I think part of the gimmick is also that he is a self deluding hypocrite

People are really good at justifying the things they already want to do

[spare pier]

Yes.

[long bloom]

goog explanation

[spare pier]

Yharim has broad morals which he doesn't fully follow, but he always has excuses as to why certain acts aren't actually breaking that.

He's not an amoral monster, but he's really good at justifying when he is.

[icy veldt]

Not being a heartless monster only means that he's even more evil. Those tiny cracks of light only accentuate the darkness that engulfs them

[terse moss]

He seems very much like a “the ends justify the means” guy

[dusk laurel]

Kill 7 billion people.

[icy veldt]

Yharim is a "the dragons didn't deserve to be wiped out" guy

[terse moss]

He is too full of hatred and malice to die and it is his life’s goal to make it everyone else’s problem

[crimson cargo]

i KNEW it
i haven't played this mod in a very very long time but i remembered a bow with a peculiar tooltip

i probably skipped like a big lore update cuz the tooltip isn't there anymore

[wanton pendant]

Did it involve Yharim's mother?

Because she got axed.

[split mortar]

Yeah like 2-3 years ago the lore got entirely rewrote apart from some odd text now and then

Think 3 by now

[terse moss]

Oh the astreal defeat?

[young socket]

3

[terse moss]

That bow was kinda mid ngl

Too much spread

[young socket]

it was in february of 23

[split mortar]

Thanks

[pulsar ocean]

Happy birthday

[crimson cargo]

yes

[crimson cargo]

mhm

[eager bluff]

yeah she doesnt exist anymore

[crimson cargo]

damn

no sad lore

[wanton pendant]

Yeah the tooltip is gone, just like Yharim's mother, brother, father, and any his species.

Don't worry, now he's a former slave or something!

[terse moss]

What species is he

[wanton pendant]

Human.

[terse moss]

Fair

[crimson cargo]

also

wtf are the exo mechs

[wanton pendant]

Robots made by Draedon for war.

Meant to surpass the gods.

And rival Yharim and Calamitas.

[crimson cargo]

so like endgame mech mayhem?

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t draedon make miracle mechs in draedon update 2

[terse moss]

Are the only 3 humanoid species humans, fish guys, and arguably the lizhards