lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

Avatar?

[spare pier]

Why wouldn't he?

[light linden]

idk

[sturdy cave]

Reference to another game (joke)

[wanton pendant]

He fought Calamity Carthage and had to speedrun a navy.

[spare pier]

Thunder you ask me some questions that you should by all means be able to answer with common sense

[light linden]

idt there's ever been a normal boat mentioned in calamity

and there's airships so

boats might be a little obsolete

[spare pier]

Are ships obsolete today?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's navy obviously used water walking boots and just walked across the sea.

[spare pier]

Also wait what the fuck do you mean there are airships

[wanton pendant]

In the background.

[craggy sparrow]

They have anti gravity tech

[wanton pendant]

You can see airships.

[craggy sparrow]

A navy would be obsolete

[spare pier]

There is a flying boat and that's like it

[craggy sparrow]

even pirates have flying ships

[light linden]

we see them in the background, during a pirate invasion, and stip mentioned that's what the chrysadians used to move around

[spare pier]

Right

I

Still don't see how that obsoletes navies

[light linden]

so hence my question as to whether or not boats would be obsolete

[craggy sparrow]

Its funny that its still designed like a ship

[wanton pendant]

You need boats to fight fish people, duh.

[spare pier]

Navies are still a thing irl

[light linden]

yes

but our planes are also way more specialized than the airships we see in game

[spare pier]

And the Yharmy didn't have enough resources to make planes en-masse

They wouldn't even really be that useful ngl

[wanton pendant]

I don't think Boat tied to a Blimp is the most efficient military force.

[craggy sparrow]

You can traverse large bodies of water while being stationary in the air

navies are obsolete atp

[spare pier]

You know that like

[light linden]

also allows you to travel over all terrain types

[spare pier]

Making a good boat is 300 times easier than making a good plane

[craggy sparrow]

yeah

[craggy sparrow]

You're missing the point

[spare pier]

If a storm hits an airship they're just Fucked

[light linden]

also it's worth mentioning

[simple tangle]

whos smarter draedon or doctor house

[wanton pendant]

There's a small issue with blimps.
They explode.

[craggy sparrow]

they have tech that can do that easily

[light linden]

I do not know if yharim even went to other continents

I can guess

[wanton pendant]

Draedon, unless there's a rare medical condition.

[simple tangle]

also hi hello lore chaat

[light linden]

but not know for certain

[wanton pendant]

I would be shocked if he didn't.

[spare pier]

Can Draedon make a good plane? Yes!

Can the Yharmy make enough planes to completely replace boats? Fuck no

[simple tangle]

MORE MOUSE BITES

[craggy sparrow]

Somehow i can see house and draedon dating

[light linden]

that depends on what gas they use

[spare pier]

Also like, again

[wanton pendant]

Ah, I see. Power blimps with souls. Get Draedon on that.

[spare pier]

.

[light linden]

no?

[simple tangle]

why doesnt yharim use trains? is he stupid?

[light linden]

same can happen with boats

[craggy sparrow]

Forcefield tech

[wanton pendant]

He didn't hire anyone autistic.

[craggy sparrow]

even wulfrum

has those

an they're junk

[spare pier]

Forcefield tech isn't going to stop harsh wind

😭

[craggy sparrow]

it can

[spare pier]

You need wind to fly an airship

[light linden]

helium is a thing

[spare pier]

If the forcefield blocks that it's also blocking the wind

[wanton pendant]

Finally, Calamitas' weakness.
A hurricane sending her flying at Mach Die.

[light linden]

[sturdy cave]

Maybe we could have some magical plot point from a gained power near the end of the game that could remove instances of Draedon or other types of evil from Terraria like the Triforce wishing away much of the world's evil in the Legend of Zelda.

[craggy sparrow]

Oh i thought we were talking abt airships with anti grav tech

[grizzled pivot]

oh my god but unrelated i think i know this artist

[craggy sparrow]

Yeah normal ones are fucked

[dusk laurel]

yes, he did

[spare pier]

They are ABSOLUTELY NOT capable of producing those en masse

[wanton pendant]

Good luck finding the Triforce.

[craggy sparrow]

In context of yharim army

they can

[spare pier]

No

[simple tangle]

removing all instances of draedon
me watching calclone (she became nice) disintegrate in front of my eyes

[spare pier]

They can't

[craggy sparrow]

Draedon mine the next planet

[wanton pendant]

Me watching my Miracle Matter Weapons vanish:

[spare pier]

Specially when making a sword that can actually kill things is 300 times more important than massively optimizing transport which is already fine

[grizzled pivot]

i was gonna say how they're all butt

then i remembered supernova exists

[sturdy cave]

Maybe killing Xeroc gives the equivalent of a Triforce since he will be a very difficult superboss with immense power and has knowledge of extracting power

[spare pier]

Like, in the context of Calamity, warfare is completely different

Irl warfare can be defined quite simply in two questions

1 - How many people can I kill with this?
2 - From how far away can I do it?

[sturdy cave]

Xeroc isn't particularly interesting right now so that could be an interesting plot point for him in the form of game endings

[spare pier]

Alternatively, add
3 - How quickly can I do this?

[simple tangle]

big words that say COSTS

[wanton pendant]

1. You can't kill Xeroc.
2. Xeroc isn't that strong.

[craggy sparrow]

If you think abt it calamity kinda fixed the logistics problem

with teleporting

[spare pier]

Teleporting in Calamity fucking sucks

[craggy sparrow]

Big ass teleporter

[wanton pendant]

What, can we not construct additional pylons?

[simple tangle]

mechanic no diffs the entire yharmy

[spare pier]

And there is literally no guarantee that it's an actual reconstruction of you, and not just a clone

[sturdy cave]

Why not? He got power from a dragon which was obviously pretty killable since he died even if they were pretty powerful.

[wanton pendant]

Oh, Xeroc is killable.
You just aren't cankillXerocable.

[simple tangle]

lend me money yharim, this is base mechanic we're up against

[spare pier]

Pylons can't teleport things* and I also think that they would be functionally useless in times of war

Because y'know

They need people to be happy to be usable

[craggy sparrow]

actually do you guy's think they used dog for logistics

[light linden]

I do kinda wonder if a god who perfect ascended with yharon's soul could revive humans

[simple tangle]

"just use pylons" mfs when YOU CANT USE THIS DURING AN INVASION DIPSHIT (at least until 1.4.5)

[wanton pendant]

With enought propaganda...

[craggy sparrow]

since they can make portals anywhere

[simple tangle]

dog portals suck

[spare pier]

DoG doesn't really teleport

[simple tangle]

dog basically does nether travel

[spare pier]

He just hides in another dimension

[craggy sparrow]

Yeah he goes through a pocket dimension

[spare pier]

It's Nether Travelling basically yeah

[wanton pendant]

Considering that Yharon's ability only worked on Auric Dragons;
A. You can only revive Auric Dragons (useless).
B. You can revive gods (how?).

[craggy sparrow]

But it can be a wormhole through point a to b

[spare pier]

Except without the 8 block speed up it's functionally the exact same distance

[wanton pendant]

Is 8 blocks in Terraria 1 block in the Distortion?

No, it seems.

[simple tangle]

and his portals notably suck (this is why no one believed ceaseless was his)

[spare pier]

Realistically, DoG would be a worm making a hole through point A to B

And by that I mean it's fucking DoG he doesn't care if there are enemy stations on the way

[wanton pendant]

Like some kind of... wormhole.

[spare pier]

However

How the fuck is DoG gonna carry anything

[wanton pendant]

Just like, weld a chair to his armour.

[simple tangle]

i wonder how a draedon assisted portal looked like since he mentioned

that in draetalk

just slightly more stable lol

[spare pier]

Also not only this but I personally headcanon that they have a distance limit

Said limit is just big enough that it's never a concern ingame

I think that they couldn't be used to travel long distances, but they were pretty common in urban centers

[simple tangle]

so they have the range of at least one end of a continent to the other...

[spare pier]

And also, again

They depend on happiness

[simple tangle]

why didnt the illmerians fuck off using a pylon r they stupid? /j

[wanton pendant]

So, solution:
Give everyone in relevant cities a lot of drugs!

[spare pier]

Do you guys really think that azafurian suburbs had pylons or whatever?

[simple tangle]

XD

[grizzled pivot]

so how does universal one works

(i know how they work ingame, but like obtaining one in lore)

[simple tangle]

pylons were probably a privilege of the upper class true....

[wanton pendant]

Zoologist's father is the CEO of Pylon Incorporated.
They're actually under investigation for ties to Yharim.

Why do you think her brother has such a love for golf?

[grizzled pivot]

[simple tangle]

TRUE

[pulsar ocean]

since when is this lore established

[wanton pendant]

Well, you see, it's a bit of a deep cut, but if you look closely he's called 'The Golfer' because he golfs.

[icy veldt]

Whispering Maelstrom but with the Uno reverse card

[sinful adder]

Nothing we can do in the game can tell the difference so I'm going to say it's actually you

I imagine pylons have some specific requirement besides happiness that makes them impractical in most circumstances

[spare pier]

Ok now convince the entire rest of the world otherwise

[sinful adder]

But this is just headcanon

[icy veldt]

You'd probably also need a seatbelt

[sinful adder]

Oh yeah you're technically a developer right?

[wanton pendant]

There's a simple solution to the conundrum.
Make it so that they teleport you, leaving behind your prior self, who is then incinerated.
Now there's no more confusion!

[wanton pendant]

OSHA doesn't exist in Calamity, no need!

[eager bluff]

fuck you mean technically

[sinful adder]

Lore writer might not write code

[eager bluff]

that

doesnt make her not a developer

[sinful adder]

Can't remember if they a lore writer or a code writer

Developer usually refers to writing code

[eager bluff]

no

[sinful adder]

Sorry, didn't mean to be rude

[eager bluff]

developer means you work on a game officially in some capacity

[sinful adder]

Huh

[eager bluff]

what you are thinking of is "coder"

or "programmer"

[icy veldt]

So programmers who work on things that aren't games are therefore not developers

[sinful adder]

...well anyways there's bugs I tried to report but couldn't get in touch with anyone in the bug reporting channels for like 2 weeks

[eager bluff]

bad faith misinterpretation

dont play these games with me

[icy veldt]

I'm gonna develop a Plague infection into your brain

[sinful adder]

Tbh I think your definition of developer is just plain incorrect but I don't feel like arguing about it

[pulsar ocean]

developers develop the game and writing the lore is developing the game

[eager bluff]

then let me ask you

was heartplusup a developer

[sinful adder]

I don't know because I don't know if she contributed code. She was a great contributor at least

[eager bluff]

actually

[sinful adder]

I know she made sprites and music

[eager bluff]

i know the answer to clear all of this up

look at her roles

look at lauras roles

read the first one

[icy veldt]

Is Draedon a developer, or a developee?

[pulsar ocean]

pee

haha

[eager bluff]

what does it say? thats right, developer

[sinful adder]

Ok

[spare pier]

Damn your definition of developer fucking sucks

[sinful adder]

Sorry, maybe I'm wrong

Idk

But uh either way I think you're pretty cool

[spare pier]

A developer is anyone who contributes to a project meaningfully with their skills

[sinful adder]

And this is really just a technicality

[ashen idol]

To "develop" a project is to move it forward

In any capacity

[wanton pendant]

British jumpscare.

[young socket]

🫵

[ashen idol]

Trust me, I'm not happy about it either

[wanton pendant]

I'm so sorry.

[sinful adder]

Pylon lore idea:

[wanton pendant]

Being British is a truly horrible fate.

[sinful adder]

Pylons suck up biome magic around them in order to function and so you can't have very many of them in an area. This makes it impractical to have more than like one per city, and they can't be used too often either

[pulsar ocean]

did you look in a mirror

[wanton pendant]

Yes, how else could I remind myself that the British had been vanquished so long ago.

[ashen idol]

Don't worry, it gets worse

[west dagger]

jumpscare

[wanton pendant]

Please, we banished that evil long ago, don't release it!

[long scaffold]

Why did Statis hesitate

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's homophobic aura.

It is painful to be around for a gay man like Statis.

But that's just a theory...

A Game Theory!
DoG did the bite of '87!

[hollow pivot]

I think it's because he's known Yharim for a long time.

[leaden bridge]

Maybe statis hadn't actually personally killed anyone in his entire life by that point and found it hard to

[agile matrix]

i like to think that Statis heard something and had paused to look at it, before going back to neaarly killing him
(and that something was DoG's rift)

since iirc statis is part of a group that's kinda meant to be hyperaware of their surroundings, and a crack in reality would definitely neccessitate Looking At™

[eternal swan]

sigh,why should yharim hire draedon,only to kick him out from his tyranny

[eager bluff]

draedon hadnt begun his slavery arc

[ashen idol]

God forbid a girl changes her mind

[eternal swan]

Draedon gonna go villain arc

[eternal swan]

What the heck does this mean

[ashen idol]

Yharim had a bit of a hot girl summer(crusade) and afterwards he realised he made some rash impulse decisions

[eager bluff]

(he fired draedon before the crusade ended btw)

[ashen idol]

eh, close enough

[woeful karma]

hey souljaboy who decides the lore of the terrarian

[gritty summit]

The player.

The person who sits at the keyboard.

[thick bluff]

Twins more looking like cyborg things, than robots

[real glen]

The Terrarian's lore is up to you!

-# Whether you want to kill Yharim...
-# You're a blackout drunk who did this 'cause of a bet...
-# You HATE gods and want to replace Yharim...
-# You HATE Aquatic Scourge and devote your entire existence to destroying that DEMON...
-# You're a squid (but like really, really strong)...

That's your choice!

[robust osprey]

this is the damage melon gun caused to the society

[eternal swan]

Who does even need a blacksmith (draedon) anyway

                               -Yharim

                                -Yharim

[eternal veldt]

Can't pylon away when there are bosses nearby

[sinful adder]

You can as of 1.4.5

[eternal veldt]

Have calamitas, permafrost, brimstone and all the other elemental cast magic voodoo boogaloo explosion below the auric frying pan you are standing on and hope draedon doesn't move his ahh out of the way. (make sure to unequip your cobalt shield before proceeding) :3

[eternal veldt]

Lmao imagine if the way to get to aeirie is to beg yharim to place a pylon

[eternal swan]

The average shortest math equation explanation:

Also,Ceaseless void come from where?,From void???

He's pathetically weak but also strong

Despite being a post ml boss

[split mortar]

Noxus

And also isnt even sapient

CV is literally just a portal with effectively a self defence turret on it

Door fight

[eternal swan]

🤨

From noxus?🤨

Why I'm thinking of something

[eternal swan]

BUT YOU SAID WOTG ISNT CANON?!?!?!

[split mortar]

Yeah noxus is originally base cal

[eternal swan]

tf is this shenanigans

[split mortar]

Wotg then just
Took old plans for noxus and added them

And so because those old plans are outdated wotg noxus doesnt resemble cal noxus

And then noxus got replaced with AoE anyways

[eternal swan]

That's why it's replaced?

Oh

[split mortar]

they just wanted to do something better iirc

And to seperate wotg more from cal

[eternal swan]

Are it's friends also from noxus too? (Storm weaver, signus and DoG)

Eh,DoG not

Already know that

[split mortar]

DoG is subservient to noxus and possibly an artificial creation of it?
Weaver might be a prototype of DoG that broke free?
Signus is unrelated to noxus other then from the distortion

[eternal swan]

Isn't DoG force of yharim?

[split mortar]

Its stated multiple times DoG isnt truly loyal to yharim

[eternal swan]

Yharim used it to kill braelor and statis

[split mortar]

Also its mighty convenient that some time in yharims quest The Thing That Eats God Essence appeared

[wanton pendant]

He did not, DoG acted independently, and both are alive.

[eternal swan]

not this guy again

[eternal swan]

DoG have been forces with yharim then Goes independently,he HAVE killed both of them

[split mortar]

Statis is alive and escaped the distortion and braelor is alive in the distoriton

[wanton pendant]

Both Statis and Braelor are alive.
DoG was not ordered to intervene, he did it on his own accord.
He's an opportunist, he clearly wanted Yharim alive.

[split mortar]

Anyways gtg bye chat

[wanton pendant]

Most likely because Yharim is a good source of god essence for him.

[reef wigeon]

Statis and Braelor are alive

[eternal veldt]

Cuz wotg is stepping away from calamity

Also AOE suits the theme better specially with how deity looks

I think if WOTG pursuits horror theme it could succeed.

[long scaffold]

Why do the Guardians talk about Providence like that in their relics?

[split mortar]

Yet to read but prolly gay

[wanton pendant]

If you swear loyalty to someone for nearly 850 years, you are not a loyal follower, you are gay. That's the rule.

[long bloom]

[lavish glade]

Who is noxus?

[long bloom]

super powerful creature from the distortion

[lavish glade]

Also is the distortion just another dimension that DoG happens to be from?

[long bloom]

probably dog's boss

[long bloom]

yeah

[lavish glade]

ohhh

[long bloom]

well
simply yeah

[lavish glade]

I thought he was a god for some reason

[long bloom]

we don't know specifically what the distortion is but it's described as a rift in the fabric of reality or something

[lavish glade]

Copy copy

[long bloom]

that one line of text and its consequences

[split mortar]

Ml entry says its taking energy from our dimension i think??

[split mortar]

Wait what is the line of text

[long bloom]

a god does not fear death

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[lavish glade]

I meant noxus

Just kinda assumed since I didnt recognize the name

[long bloom]

oh
yeah also not a god

[lavish glade]

Thx

[long bloom]

yeag

crazy this is the most we've gotten on the distortion in 3 years

now i'm wondering what the distortion was in old lore bc i forgot

[pulsar ocean]

cant believe noxus made ml

[split mortar]

Werent it just the purple fog dimension for a DoG fight or smth

[long bloom]

no, it was gonna be an actual subworld still
if you remember the iban dog from before 22

oh

pretty sure it was still gonna have actual stuff

ok in ancient lore it was just a pocket dimension but i think there was more stuff added pre 22

when was draetalk added

[split mortar]

Bountiful harvest iirc

[long bloom]

so after the rewrite

hm

[young socket]

its also described as a fissure of broken spacetime in mls entry

[real glen]

Draedon sim

[split mortar]

Bluescreens your arm

[wheat walrus]

Greenscreens a melon

[split mortar]

Id rather that then my pc bluescreening whenever i boot terraria

[wheat walrus]

You do realize the crime of greenscreening something green

[split mortar]

No

[wheat walrus]

A simple individual you are.

In short

The greenscreening of something green is a great, and vile crime, for it kills the purpose of the greenscreen,,,and the green object along with it should you try to use the greenscreen

[reef wigeon]

I can't believe Chara made Frisk make Noxus make Moonlord make Dogma make Yharim make the crusade

Me when Berserk Boy:

[noble falcon]

Dang Gaster and his gasterly tricks again

[simple tangle]

huh

[crystal pendant]

Damn geester

[daring rivet]

have we ever considered that draedon is just GDA mark and yharim is a viltrumite

[wanton pendant]

Let's be real. Yharim doesn't have a mustache.

[raven brook]

hes more of a beard guy imo

[eager bluff]

checks out that you'd be the one to say that

[thick slate]

yharim is israeli

[icy veldt]

Yharim is Swedish, specifically Terraria's version of Charles XII (Source: it came to me in a dream)

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is Brazilian because Z comes after Y and that can't be a coincidence.

[hollow pivot]

Yharim is clearly from Australia because everything on Terraria wants to kill you just like in Australia.

[hollow pivot]

Is that dev statement saying that 3,000 dragons existed, half of which were permanently killed by Fovos still accurate?

[long scaffold]

Is this accurate

[wanton pendant]

I believe the writer who wrote with that in mind is no longer the writer.
And the second half of that statement is not substantiated to my memory.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[spice torrent]

also i recently learned that thanks to ml's new bestiary entry we now know the timeline of the draconic era and the deific era

[wanton pendant]

But Permafrost is an ally, he has an LGBT daughter.

[spice torrent]

i thought it was a lot older

[long scaffold]

Was considering an Ally section

[spice torrent]

but nope

[wanton pendant]

Don't think it really added much to the timeline.

Just where he's from.

[spice torrent]

i thought she was aro though

[wanton pendant]

You're not gonna believe this.

[wanton pendant]

But that's LGBT.

[spice torrent]

wait it is

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[spice torrent]

you learn somethin new every day

[long bloom]

the a in lgbtqia is aro/ace

[spice torrent]

makes sense

[split mortar]

anything that differs from being the gender at birth and romantically snd sexually liking the opposite gender only falls under the lgbt iirc

[wanton pendant]

LGBT basically means not straight and/or cis.

Unless it's fats, in which case it is not LGBT, it is more dangerous to your health and you should switch to leaner alternatives.
Nobody is going to get this damn joke.

[simple tangle]

🤨

[wanton pendant]

See?

[untold forge]

😭

[wanton pendant]

Nobody knows about fat.
Nobody cares about fat beyond the fact that their doctor might tell them to cut back on it.

[split mortar]

Aint it that trans fats are worse or smth i remember hearing of that from dai

[pulsar ocean]

Now where’s signus

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

Cis fats, on the other hand, are healthier.

There's like three types and those are alternate names for two of them.

[pulsar ocean]

What

[split mortar]

Trans fats unhealthier

[pulsar ocean]

Why are there different types of fats

[long scaffold]

Idk where he'd be on the sexuality side but he'd definitely say it

[split mortar]

Signus is on all six

[split mortar]

Biology is fucked up

[raven brook]

this

true gun

[split mortar]

Anyways its monday so mandatory daily hitler mention in lore chat or smth idr

[raven brook]

oh true

[hollow pivot]

Because we can't name things.

[wanton pendant]

(It's actually based on cell structure. It's the reason why they're called cis and trans.)

[pulsar ocean]

How do you know

[wanton pendant]

I was top of my class in the subject.

[hollow pivot]

I knew the most about fats?

[wanton pendant]

The subject involved slightly more than that, but yes.

[pulsar ocean]

I wish I knew so much about fats

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry, with effort you can become just like me.
However, it requires great discipline, lest you use the power for evil and to insult the mothers of others.

[wheat walrus]

[warm gull]

do you think horrible hog had anything to do with the creation of the terminus

[long bloom]

i'm going to boar you

[dusk laurel]

yes

[raven brook]

definitely

[cosmic zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264760793510055957/1429891779137638562/togif-3.gif

[zenith geode]

horrible hog is just a disguise for a creator deity

[dusk laurel]

keep your eyes buttered till the end

[zenith geode]

thats not a banana pun we gotta annihilate you

[dusk laurel]

you will never get rid of me

[wanton pendant]

I see exactly what you're laying down...
Vetrasyl was allergic to pineapple...
I knew it.

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[zenith geode]

noxus unleashed the pineapple lord shortly before ml came so that vetrasyl wouldn't immediately butcher ml

[light linden]

hi stip

[cosmic zenith]

Hello

[light linden]

are chrysadian's using airships still canon?

[hollow pivot]

Who was the Hellkite made for?
Like genuinely, who is able to swing that?

[pearl wasp]

I thought it would be used as a battering ram by like 4 people but I was wrong (this is a joke)

[dusk laurel]

idk

alot of the time theres not really a reason, just

big weapon size correlates with true melee weapons

[heavy zenith]

As a kite to be used in hell, as the name implies

[hollow pivot]

Ngl, I'm surprised Calamity Vanities hasn't made an item called “Hellkite” that's a brimstone enemy on a kite.

[simple tangle]

hellskite

ive been thinking about the distortion a lot

i love the idea of the distortion as an ecosystem

[hollow pivot]

Why does the Dog hate Weaver?

[simple tangle]

i know the distortion already is stablished to not simply be "noxus evil lair" but i hope that also feels reflected in the ingame dimension

[simple tangle]

presumably because the energy weaver consumes goes to itself rather than to noxus

so if weaver ate enough, itd become more powerful unlike dog

[hollow pivot]

Would Noxus not power up Dog as a reward for services or simply to make Dog more capable/

[simple tangle]

the idea of noxus being akin to an invasive or overabundant species (in terms of impact, nox is presumably only one guy) in an ecosystem...

hope we see shit like this in the distortion

[hollow pivot]

Distortion probably is a bit similar to the Faewild.

[hollow pivot]

But more apocolyptic, purple, and non-Euclidian.

[eager bluff]

simple

dog is strong enough already

there are like 3 gods that it would be completely incapable of actually killing (if he came across them until yharim went on his depression arc there was a fallback there unless it was xeroc in which case even noxus couldnt take them on) and there wasnt really any major threats to dog until we showed up

[hollow pivot]

What 3 gods?

[long bloom]

xeroc
silva
shakidou?

yeah shakidou

[hollow pivot]

Didn't know Silva was that strong.

[zenith geode]

the two strongest and unkillable incorporated™

[long bloom]

she's also immortal

[zenith geode]

silva's not too strong compared to the higher end iirc

but she cant be killed

if she could then yharim wouldve done it long ago

so since he couldnt he just chopped her up and threw her into the abyss again

[hollow pivot]

Why did he not have Draedon shoot her corpse(s) into space?

[zenith geode]

iirc he threw her into the abyss before meeting draedon

[long bloom]

that early?

[hollow pivot]

I think it would've been around the time he had his attempted assassination, by which time, he had Draedon.

[long bloom]

you mean braelor and statis?

that was long after draedon left

like 15 years long

[light linden]

silva's strength isn't in her offensive abilities

[hollow pivot]

So Yharim gets an armor upgrade from Draedon, after firing him?

[light linden]

she's unkillable and is probably the best healer in lore

well

2nd to yharon technically

[long bloom]

yes

[eager bluff]

yeah

[hollow pivot]

So Yharim is willing to stick to his guns no matter what goes wrong, unless he wants a new fit?

[long bloom]

yeah

[hollow pivot]

Do we know what weaponry Yharim uses in new lore?

[eager bluff]

hes willing to stick to his guns unless theres someone really really useful that doesnt hate him

[light linden]

sword

nothing specific outside of that

[hollow pivot]

What sword?

[light linden]

unknown

[hollow pivot]

Maybe he uses magical auric sword that changes Gabriel style.

[light linden]

likely made partially of auric

[long bloom]

we know literally nothing about it

other than It Exists

[hollow pivot]

Where is it stated to be a sword?

[long bloom]

devs

[eager bluff]

devs say its a sword and its not really a hugely lore important thing so its probably a sword

[gritty summit]

I feel like Yharim just called me a moron.

[eternal veldt]

Ok so anyway... torch god

[eternal veldt]

He did it so blatantly. Seeing you barely realize it, makes sense

[long bloom]

2 most popular theories:

• xeroc fucking with you because they're bored
• carbon monoxide induced hallucination

[eternal veldt]

I like the first theory

The torch flame never runs out which makes sense.

[eager bluff]

im a big fan of the second theory because i like making my terrarian look like a fucking moron to an outside observer

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough. Sadly you get a certain gift which makes the existance of something exist

[eager bluff]

its paranoia

[long bloom]

you just hallucinate placing different torches for the rest of the game

[eternal veldt]

LMAO

Ok that's fair

[eager bluff]

my explanation for torch gods favor is that you just become extremely paranoid so you manifest the correct biome torches

[long bloom]

permanent brain damage from too much carbon monoxide clearly

[eager bluff]

this goes back into my personal canonization of pumpkin and frost moon where pumpkin moon is you hallucinating because of food poisoning after you try to eat the pumpkin moon medallion and frost moon is a fever dream after you pass out because you put the naughty present over your head and ran into a wall

[robust osprey]

torch god favor is just carbon monoxide-based drugs

[eager bluff]

all the items you get are either stuff you make in a daze or stuff you make while sleepwalking

[eternal veldt]

I like this idea because then this hobo crackhead managed to kill gods apparently

[robust osprey]

this is so cinema actually

[eager bluff]

it is my goal to bring the most unserious energy possible to any playthrough

[eternal veldt]

Does this hallucinations make him stronger?

[eager bluff]

no the hallucinations are just hallucinations

you dont get stronger from it you just make dumb shit while hallucinating and somehow it works

[eternal veldt]

Nahh im pretty sure schizophrenia can buff someone

[robust osprey]

it does buff me idk abt the rest

[eternal veldt]

It can keep me up at night

[inland vault]

The trrrarian just coincidentally also has more luck with the biome torches

And they think it’s because of the colored torches when in reality they’re js coincidentally luckier

[terse moss]

Is Yharim a Lihzard?

[robust osprey]

no

was

in old ancient lore

[long bloom]

that's prehistoric lore

[terse moss]

so he is human in the new lore?

[long bloom]

older than ancient lore

[robust osprey]

yeah

[long bloom]

which is older than old lore

[long bloom]

yes

[terse moss]

it just occurred to me that he is/was from the jungle temple

[split mortar]

Ship of theseus vs calamity

[terse moss]

I keep forgetting which lore is from which version

[split mortar]

Yeah was back then iirc

[untold forge]

lore older than yharon

[terse moss]

Is he still from the jungle temple?

[robust osprey]

no he infcat hates lihzahrds and the temple

lo

[terse moss]

Where is he from now?

I forget

[robust osprey]

Somewhere™

[untold forge]

from yharimville

[terse moss]

I kinda like that more

He is just kinda some guy

Also, this is obviously just for gameplay reasons, but I do find it hillarious that the exact necessary piwer ladder in terms of cretures and magical items is present within like a few miles of where you live

and random guy could've just ascended to godhood basically

Also, did Yharim rule the world at any point, or did he only ever get to "major regional power"

[robust osprey]

no just

really big military power

I think

[terse moss]

So there were other kings and whatnot that were just like 👀 the whole time

What happened to his whole kingdom? Did it disband? Fall to ruin? Where are all of the soldiers and buildings and towns and whatever? Are we just in a super rural area?

[robust osprey]

oh yharim didnt really have a kingdom

just

a big army

[long bloom]

the crusade (his military) fizzled out after he fucked off to the aerie

[terse moss]

Why did he just dip

[long bloom]

like 6 months before the game starts

[terse moss]

like why not continue?

Oh dang I thought it was like decades before

[long bloom]

got depressed bc he realized he can't kill literally every god

[terse moss]

I mean, how many are even left?

[robust osprey]

beacuse he had to fight The Unmatched Power Of The Sun

and that is, as the name says, unmatched

[long bloom]

a good few probably

[terse moss]

Xeroc or Providence?

[robust osprey]

xeroc

[long bloom]

xeroc

[robust osprey]

providence was just slippery

[long bloom]

providence is the goddess of ash

[terse moss]

Isnt he like WAY weaker than Xeroc?

[tropic oak]

xeroc

[long bloom]

she, and yes

[terse moss]

I meant Yharim

[long bloom]

oh unless you mean yharim

then also yes

[terse moss]

then...

whats his actual gameplan? Assisted suicide?

[long bloom]

a writer once said it would take 40 yharims with perfect coordination to kill xeroc
this is likely outdated though

[robust osprey]

his plan was kinda just throw hands against the sun

[terse moss]

Right but like he knows he is going to get stomped

[long bloom]

throw himself deeper into denial

[terse moss]

does he just not care if he dies at this point?

[long bloom]

not really no

he's gonna die of old age in max 10 years anyway

[terse moss]

Oh wait what. I thought he was immortal

[long bloom]

nope

just really fucking old

[terse moss]

Oh

thats kinda funny

[long bloom]

but still one of the youngest characters in the mod somehow

[terse moss]

you open the mask and he is like 140

[robust osprey]

no he just doesnt really age physically, though he does have a limit

[long bloom]

he's around 130

pretty close

[terse moss]

How old is SCal then? I know she joined near the end of the war as either a teen or young adult

then she got tutored for a while, fought for a while

[long bloom]

28

[terse moss]

Dang, and she is that strong? Why didn't Yharim just let her cook for like a few decades

[long bloom]

and she was probably a preteen when recruited

[terse moss]

Also, why is she so strong?

[long bloom]

he did and it made her leave

[robust osprey]

she cooked some fish

[long bloom]

lots of training from the smartest mage in terraria + brimmy magic

[robust osprey]

and a jellyfish

[terse moss]

Also, why didn't SCal just kill the DoG because he is the way that he is

[robust osprey]

a really big one

[terse moss]

would've saved everyone a lot of trouble

Or why didn't Yharon

either could've

I get why Draedon or Yharim didn't but anyone else really could've

[long bloom]

wasn't quite worth invoking yharim's wrath

but she definitely wanted to

[terse moss]

Didn't Yharim realize DoG was a liar and manipulating him, or was that later

[long bloom]

that was never really true

[terse moss]

Ah

[long bloom]

he's just using dog as a scapegoat

the lying part is real though

[terse moss]

So he was kinda tweaking either way

[long bloom]

and he's the worst liar you've ever seen

[terse moss]

Got more desparate, more depressed, and wanted to blame the stupid snake

[terse moss]

true

"A god does not fear death" as he then proceeds to have an aneurism all over the sceen

[robust osprey]

bro is so strong you can't actually fact-check his statements

[terse moss]

He does the Dr. Manhatten thing where you are just gone

Why is Xeroc so strong. So much stronger than Yharim or SCal or any of the other gods or dragons. Isn't he even quite a bit stronger than the dragon he took the soul of?

Where did that extra "juice" come from

[mighty zenith]

he's had several centuries to train and hone his abilities

[terse moss]

And like, where is he? Why doesn't he just come down and smite Yharim instantly and then go back to whatever the hell he is doing

Also, where is ML from

why did he just show up

[long bloom]

shrug

[long bloom]

the distortion

[terse moss]

Lol, fair enough

[long bloom]

shrug

[terse moss]

Oh like the DoG?

What is the distortion

[long bloom]

yuh

[terse moss]

parallel dimension?

[long bloom]

last sentence

[terse moss]

Huh

so like a tumor dimension

kinda

[long bloom]

it seems so

[terse moss]

Xeroc might be busy trying to seal that fissure?

Idk

seems important

Lot of haters coming in from the distortion it seems

[long bloom]

signus, storm weaver, dog, fovos and noxus so far

also noxus created cv

[terse moss]

Oh noxus is canon?

dope

How does Noxus rank in terms of the hierarchy of power

[long bloom]

between yharim and xeroc

[terse moss]

So Xeroc might just have more important guys to go kill

Makes sense

[long bloom]

true but like
it's been 850 years

what is bro doing

[terse moss]

Still throwing hands

[random mulch]

he's been staring at CV waiting for something to happen, he last blinked 500 years ago

[terse moss]

TRUE

[long bloom]

[terse moss]

I feel like Yharim would hate the distortion more, no? They are the ones that wounded the dragons enough for the gods to swoop in, they are the ones who want to destory the world. The gods are bad, sure, but everyone from the distortion is like ontologically evil

Like why on EARTH would he ever trust the DoG

[long bloom]

nobody has any idea what moonlord is or where it came from

[terse moss]

Oh, no one knows its related, other than maybe like the dragon cult or something idk

[long bloom]

also signus and noxus likely aren't ontologically evil

and storm weaver is just like

an animal

[terse moss]

Oh so its just DoG being himself

[long bloom]

yeah

[terse moss]

he specifically is the worst

thats even funnier actually

The worm that hates you tm

[random mulch]

this worm is full of hatred and ego

[long bloom]

i guess moonlord sucks pretty bad too

[terse moss]

True

But we don't know if he has ulterior motives

[random mulch]

at least moon lord knows how to shut up

[terse moss]

DoG is just there for the love of the game

D1 hater

[long bloom]

almost certainly working for noxus

(dog)

[terse moss]

So Noxus is trying to undermine things earthside while presumably still throwing hands with Xeroc or something

[long bloom]

it's very heavily implied that dog feeds the essence of gods he eats to noxus

[terse moss]

He is too chonky to fit through CV

Also, what is signus's deal?

He is an assassin, sure, but what like social structures exist in the distortion that would require someone to learn the trade of assassination

[long bloom]

guy that likes making deals

probably not an assassin anymore

[hard steeple]

Spiritually a CS skin trader

[long bloom]

he's basically satan from the bible

sign my contract

i definitely won't eat your limbs

[terse moss]

Wait is he like evil, or just pragmatic

like what are his goals here

[long bloom]

????????????

[terse moss]

Ok, fair enough

Maybe he just really likes lanterns, and Terraria has a lot of lanters he needs to add to his lantern collection

thats my headcanon now

He just really likes novelty lanterns

[long bloom]

wait peak

[terse moss]

🔥 ✍️

[raw nest]

How did calamitas’s brothers and parents die? I recall a story involving them but I’m pretty sure it was old lore. Nothing mentions on how they died in the current lore document

[long bloom]

her parents presumably died when she was a baby or just very very young
her brothers died when the brimstone elemental attacked azafure

[raw nest]

Did the brothers die as a result of protecting her, or as a result from Calamitas and the brimstone elemental fighting?

[long bloom]

probably the latter

calamitas said she found their bodies at the center of the city

[limpid saddle]

i always assumed they died before her battle

cause y'know, it would explain why a 12 year old would try to square up with a demonic embodiment of nature

[pulsar ocean]

have you asked him personally

[long bloom]

yes

in fact i also work for it as its secretary

[raven brook]

The intent from the writers seems to be that he's not like John Evil who just does evil shit for the sake of it

But he will do morally questionable things if it gets him what he wants/needs (ex: the Statis Situation

ofc take this with a grain of salt though

i forgot i was this

[split mortar]

You was this what

[raven brook]

i had my pfp and nick as Renegade Warlock still

[split mortar]

????? When did you do that

[raven brook]

yesterday

wtf what happened to the doc ,,,

oop wrong chat

[split mortar]

Wat

[wanton pendant]

Are you trying to give us all heart attacks?

[real glen]

Cheese meant future doc

not lore doc lol

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

[late veldt]

What, did they contract Bowser's kingdom for then or something?

[wanton pendant]

Bowser's airships are proprietary. Yharim stole the plans. What a nasty fellow.

[woeful karma]

stealing... proprietary material?

🤯

[willow pilot]

@cloud ibex smite them

[gentle osprey]

anyway, who exactly is the dungeon guardian belong to?

Just wanted to know the changed between vanilla and calmaity

[wanton pendant]

It's part of the Clothier's curse, clearly.

[gentle osprey]

I may be wrong, isn't the dungeon guardian is belong to moonlord isn't it?

[wanton pendant]

No?

There's not a single implication of that.

[gentle osprey]

yeah yeah I am wrong

[green prairie]

considering that the hardmode dungeon enemies mention being enlisted by Yharim in their bestiary entries, maybe he made it as a "stay out of here" measure (ofc i will guarentee thats wrong probably)

[wanton pendant]

Yharim didn't curse the Clothier.

And some of the enemies are Yharim's prisoners who died. (Horribly, most likely.)

[green prairie]

to be fair if i had to work in the terraria dungeon my whole life that would kill me too

[green prairie]

seeing talk about calamity meatballs makes me think about what kind of weird stuff people treat as delicacies in the Calamity-verse

[hasty valley]

slime god’s jelly

[green prairie]

are dragonfollies edible when cooked? can we just have the official calamity cookbook? /j

[green prairie]

apparently basic slime gel tastes good, so i assume Slime God's would be similarly nice?

i feel like it would have a bit more sourness to it depending on which paladin you ate from

[hasty valley]

Would either be a top tier dessert or something so putrid that it forces your body to collapse into itself out of sheer disgust

[thick slate]

claamity cookbook would go crazy

[green prairie]

according to the bestiary, the Crimulan and Ebonian Paladins are filthy. they probably taste like dirt

[mighty zenith]

all roads lead to boss taste discussion

[green prairie]

LOL exactly

my headcanon is that anything dragon-adjacent (offshoots etc) is considered really rare delicacies and are reserved only for the elite of Terraria

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[long bloom]

cool hc

[green prairie]

Auric Dragon Omelette is the most coveted meal on the planet

[thick slate]

yummy

[green prairie]

the taste probably depends on which Auric Dragon you're pulling from

[green prairie]

speaking of headcanons, i like to think Providence liked donuts before she ascended to godhood, hence why everything imbued with her power drops profaned donuts

[long bloom]

you could theoretically have infinite auric dragon omelettes as long as yharon and at least one other auric dragon are alive

or just yharon

[green prairie]

century egg gets literal

[light linden]

they are sapient

[long bloom]

ok?

[raven brook]

i mean eating sapient individuals is fucked up but people also killed them for their souls so

ppl be fucked up sometimes

[long bloom]

we still regularly boil lobsters alive

[raven brook]

unfortunately

[green prairie]

i moreso meant draconic offshoots, like follies or fishrons. i don't think duke fishron is proper sapient

[thick slate]

lobsters aren't sapient

[light linden]

they are

[raven brook]

well theyre not but point is that people be fucked up sometimes

[long bloom]

i'm giving examples of how people are fucked

[long bloom]

source?

[thick slate]

ive eaten lobster that was still alive

[dusk laurel]

duke fishron is NOT sapient

[raven brook]

i dont think dragonfolly or fishrons are sapient

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith hey are fishrons sapient?

[green prairie]

i dont think so?? i may be misremembering but i always thought Duke Fishron/OD were no smarter than desert scourge or something

[raven brook]

not od

ods a entirely separate thing

[cosmic zenith]

Afaik yes

[plucky juniper]

You guys are conflating sentient and sapient

[long bloom]

whar

[raven brook]

thats fucked up man

[cosmic zenith]

You should ask Triangle he knows better than me

[light linden]

john dragon has spoken

[long bloom]

what about follies

[cosmic zenith]

Also ask Triangle

[long bloom]

buh

[cosmic zenith]

The only offshoot I've worked on extensively are wyverns

[dusk laurel]

we need triangleposting more than ever

[raven brook]

As far as i remember its only the more ancient offshoots that r sapient

[green prairie]

i always assumed they were just like. really strong animals. ig i was wrong

[raven brook]

old duke is fully sapient though hes a whole ass racist

those fucking dragons that i hate

[long bloom]

@ruby heart are fishrons and/or follies sapient

[green prairie]

old ass man

[raven brook]

dude literally has a palace and shit

[long bloom]

the jade palace must rise

[raven brook]

the jade palace,,,

[green prairie]

okay i am not caught up with the old duke lore at all what the HELL is he doing

[plucky juniper]

sentience is the ability to experience feelings and sensations

sapience is the ability to apply knowledge experience and judgment to navigate life

[long bloom]

lots of slavery

[raven brook]

precisely

notably of other dragons

cuz he fucking hates dragons

[green prairie]

thank god i have an actual reason to murder old duke

[long bloom]

yeah he's just fucking evil

[dusk laurel]

old duke is so fucking evil dude

we need to hunt the whale dragon, bandit

[wanton pendant]

If Yharim knew, he might have to revise his 'all dragons are precious angels' policy.

[raven brook]

He was like one of the first/the first dragon to not get an auric soul

cuz they ran out

and he wasnt very happy about it

[split mortar]

Old duke aint auric

[raven brook]

Was an outcast, exhiled from the aerie (?)

[wanton pendant]

Never said he was.

[long bloom]

i wonder if he ever tried to kill faith

[raven brook]

And he has

NOT let go

of his disdain towards dragonkind

He pretty much just

survived through the power of spite 😭

[plucky juniper]

BAYLE

VILE BAYLE

[long bloom]

local dragon literally too angry to die

[green prairie]

damnit i've had a perfect thunderfang joke this whole time

[thick slate]

i see the vision

[raven brook]

"You guys sure do love your auric souls huh would be funny as hell if i, who never got one, who was an outcast and a "inferior" dragon outlived all of you. sure would be funny"

so he did that

and now he outlived every single auric dragon except yharon

[long bloom]

ZERATROS, YOU COSMIC FRAUD

[raven brook]

he also supposedly has a palace he lives in somewhere in the sulphur sea

though not 100% confirmed

that being the jade palace

which youcan see referenced ingame thru the elden diorama

[thick slate]

hes so chinese

[raven brook]

its true

[long bloom]

oh my god old duke really is thunderfang 😭

[wanton pendant]

Is Old Duke the dragon warrior?

[raven brook]

and yeah he has dragon slaves

he enslaves weaker dragons

hes just fucked up like that

[green prairie]

• old ass man
• exiled for crimes against godly dragons
• really pissed off because he didn't get to be one
• huge dick
• i dont think thunderfang was racist but he did enslave dragon-adjacent people

yeah theyre the same character

[patent sky]

I’m at a very chinese point in my life

[raven brook]

oldduke is so funny cuz the plans for him are just

entirely new fucking character/boss/whatever

hes gonna be unrecognizable 😭

[patent sky]

Lmao

[raven brook]

no more old fish

pig

thing

[patent sky]

He’s just gonna be an old man who owns some land

[plucky juniper]

Even funnier because before fabsolution he already was planned to be significantly different

[raven brook]

iirc triangle said he wants to take inspo from eastern dragons

[raven brook]

he was but hes gonna be even MORE different now

[patent sky]

10 million more worm bosses

[raven brook]

the scrapped redesign still was going to be for the same fight more or less cuz they couldnt change it

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

and it was alot more Boar

now its gonna be like

No Boar probably

[green prairie]

proper dragon i assume

[long bloom]

un-boaring myself

[patent sky]

Im boar’d

[wanton pendant]

What if when they redo Old Duke he's just a guy.

[raven brook]

ye

[patent sky]

[wanton pendant]

HE'S GONNA BE BRITISH!?

[patent sky]

Maybe germanic

[green prairie]

wow he's british too? even more reason to hate him /j

wait i was talking about food how did we get to old duke

uhhh do you think exo prisms are edible?

[light linden]

no

they're both giant crystals and would be like eating a live power line

[wanton pendant]

Do you want to explode?

[green prairie]

it'd be like licking a salt lamp

i mean there's gotta be some way to turn it into something edible

[light linden]

no

[light linden]

it'd be like licking a nuclear reactor

[green prairie]

hey if i can turn exo prisms into a chair then i'll be damned if i can't find a way to make a miracle bagel

[light linden]

there's a difference between sitting on something and eating it

[green prairie]

you can also condense divine geodes into something edible, so why can't i do it with exo prisms? you're not zeratros you can't stop me

[pulsar ocean]

We already have tax collector

[cosmic zenith]

Did the old lore doc get unpinned?

[long bloom]

like
the reference doc or the doc for the old lore

[cosmic zenith]

Reference doc

[long bloom]

it's the first pin now

[cosmic zenith]

I mean the original new lore doc

The one that had everything ingame word-by-word

[long bloom]

yeah it was ship of theseused into the reference doc

[cosmic zenith]

I do not think it should be unpinned, especially since the introductory master doc has information from outside the game (which is something I disagree with being in an introductory doc)

Also Gloomborf was never an official name

Adding it there is misinformation

[long bloom]

it's what everyone calls as of now it so it being there may help to reduce confusion

anyway the reference doc is the first pin

the introductory doc is second

[cosmic zenith]

I see

[raven brook]

I believe the reference doc is basically the same thing, just more updated

[raven brook]

ill be real im pretty sure its actually just there as misinformation because its funny

😭

[split mortar]

The agenda

[long bloom]

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rw-slugcat-slug-cat-shit-gif-16903621402388550943

[green prairie]

as dumb as it would be for Gluttony's name to actually be Gloomborf it wouldn't be out of place. Slime God's name was Goozma for ages

(unless im misremembering the old lore)

[long bloom]

goozma was a hypothetical future slime god

and then it was an amalgamation of dark god corpses

[agile matrix]

yes! yes! more worm bosses!

[long bloom]

and then it was named noxus

and then the rewrite happened

i find it endlessly funny how goozma v1 just
didn't exist

LITERALLY potential man

[light linden]

stip can I ask a question about auric?

[agile matrix]

he'll exist.

eventually.

said the former lore team/The Horse In Question(?)

[green prairie]

goozma exists to me just because i like narrative of it. slime god only lets itself use its full power on a someone who can actually handle it

but i live in "addons are canon to me" hell so take everything ive ever said with a grain of salt thats really big

[raven brook]

and then it never does that and fucking dies

🔥 ✍️

[agile matrix]

the concept of addon goozma is really neat but the calamity former concept of goozma is uh

Not There

[green prairie]

i just treat HotOG Goozma as the true one since the original is old as hell

[agile matrix]

really just bc i like bosses that use often common enemies to make one gigantic, endtier enemy

like if the pawns in chess could turn into an amalgam of all the pieces

[raven brook]

i have a image for this

[split mortar]

I think its called a rock

[agile matrix]

but you need every pawn

[green prairie]

i'm a big fan of encountering bosses repeatedly as kind of a joke only for them to be really really powerful by the end

[agile matrix]

(this is also known as the Omega Flowey effect)

[green prairie]

i also just like goozma/slime god as a character. they're so fascinating to me i wanna stick them under a microscope

[raven brook]

slime god is my enemy

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

was forging it during the draconic era viewed as a semi-religious affair?

[cosmic zenith]

In general, no; but Auric Ore specifically would be

[light linden]

I still wonder if my theory about the place where yharim forged it is true

that being he forged it in the aerie

[agile matrix]

what Is auric

cause the stuff only spawns once we gib yharon but it cannot just be dead dragon

[long bloom]

it's a metal

👍

[agile matrix]

of what source

[long bloom]

shrug

[agile matrix]

Awesome!

[raven brook]

its a funny metal that is connected to dragons

[split mortar]

It does appear after we kill yharon canonically iirc

[raven brook]

and explodes you

🔥

[long bloom]

we know it's at least slightly sentient, like as much as a plant i think
since it can detect if someone is attuned or not
and mock attunement is tricking it into thinking you are

[agile matrix]

thats sapient isnt it

[long bloom]

no

[agile matrix]

also isnt that chemical reaction more than “NO.”

[raven brook]

sapient is like a person

sentient is like

[long bloom]

sapience is like
human awareness

[raven brook]

idk man a bug

a fish

a frog

yea

[manic coral]

sapient and sentient are different things yeah

[agile matrix]

i ge tthem confused

[pulsar ocean]

The future where slime god wouldn’t have been lame

[manic coral]

sapience is like humans where we can process and question and build upon our own existence

fundementally realzing the self i guess is a way to put it

[long bloom]

we're aware of our own existence yeah

[manic coral]

to not just do things, but question them and everything else about our existence

[agile matrix]

knowing the self vs reacting

[manic coral]

exactly

[pulsar ocean]

did the dragons get stupider overtime or peeps like wyverns are still sapient

[manic coral]

sentience is having concious thoughts, sapience is having concious questions

[young socket]

like some sort of

ego...

[hollow pivot]

Maybe the reason the dragons were intelligent were their Auric Souls.
Because creatures like the Primordial Wyrm and the Old Duke are incredibly ancient afaIk, but they seem to only be as smart as any animal.

[light linden]

a lore dev said they're sapient

found it @long bloom

[wanton pendant]

Old Duke is indicated to be pretty smart.

[split mortar]

Jared is sapient enough to hate xeroc for probably killing zeratros

[terse moss]

Wait the Wyrm?

What is his deal

Why does he hate teleporting, and how is he so strong?

[wanton pendant]

RoD uses Primordial Light.

[zenith geode]

first generation offshoot iirc

[wanton pendant]

And Wyrm hates Primordial Light.

[split mortar]

The teleporting methods that anger it use primordial light as the method (so yes a random hallowed enemy uses The Power Of The Sun)
And it hates any use of pl due to xeroc iirc

Its strong due to being the strongest and oldest of the strongest draconic offshoot and is also blessed by silva who braelor was also blessed so yeah her blessings have a good track record of being Strong

[wanton pendant]

Also it's really old, from a species that's really strong and it's blessed by a powerful goddess.

[terse moss]

So it’s pro Silva but anti Xeroc? Weren’t they effectively in the same “team”

[split mortar]

They are both perfect ascended gods but thats about it afaik

[terse moss]

Oh so Silva is another heavy hitter

[split mortar]

Yeah she is like
Third strongest god we know of iirc

[terse moss]

Third?

[split mortar]

Shakidou god of emptiness and The Sun is above her

[terse moss]

Shakidou ?

[zenith geode]

shakidou being second and xeroc first

[terse moss]

I haven’t heard that name before

[wanton pendant]

Shakidou, wielder of Shak Fu God of Emptiness.