lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

Like, you know that they're a term for fictional characters, right?

[raven brook]

this is like saying idk man

dragons are evil

mages ar evil

aliens are evil

[vocal kestrel]

exhume means to bring someone back from the dead

[raven brook]

brother in christ that is a extremely broad archetype

[wanton pendant]

Unicorns are evil! There, I SAID IT!

[split mortar]

Its a fuckin item how is that dead

[wanton pendant]

So is Community dead?

[raven brook]

knights are evil

[wanton pendant]

The item?

[eager bluff]

no it doesnt

[spare pier]

Sorry I didn't know The Community was alive one day

[raven brook]

its called Exhume because it sounds cool

[eager bluff]

exhume is a verb that means to disinter someone

to take them out of a grave for any reason

[vocal kestrel]

sorry i mean bring someone out of their ressting place, im not talking about the mechanic in game shes a necromancer

[feral skiff]

i’m laughing at this discussion bro 😭

[raven brook]

like madoka magica witches are pretty evil, little witch academia wtiches are just kids having fun and being whimsical

[spare pier]

Me when I defile a book's corpse

[raven brook]

the unnatural wtich incident

[wanton pendant]

Behold, a corpse!

[split mortar]

I dont think calamitas would use her brothers corpses to help fight if it put their souls in eternal hell torture

[eager bluff]

it happens like fairly often even in real life

[raven brook]

^

[split mortar]

Ok plato or whoever removed a chickens festhers

[spare pier]

Ok this one you're just ignoring the much more interesting narrative of her actually having done that tho

[wanton pendant]

Diogenes.

[vocal kestrel]

yes, the spelucher looks very happy to be alive, and catashrophe and cataclysm look absolutely joyous in their depictions

[raven brook]

theyre skeletons

[vocal kestrel]

theyre abominations

[spare pier]

Calamitas resurrecting her brothers in a desperate move after they were killed, unknowingly putting them under eternal torture, only for them to still stick by her side and protect her is like, infinitely more powerful narratively

[raven brook]

they dont look anything dude

[wanton pendant]

I imagined it as a way to show she's unable to move on from the past and is literally propping it up.

[raven brook]

they show no Emotion we have no idea how they feel about their existence

[eager bluff]

they dont look anything sepulcher doesnt have a human face and brothers are wearing masks

[wanton pendant]

Catastrophe and Cataclysm explicity WANT to protect Calamitas.

[spare pier]

^

[wanton pendant]

It's the only thing they appear to be able to express.

[split mortar]

Ok true didnt consider that

[spare pier]

And the Sepulcher isn't really alive in any significant way, it's more of a summon than anything

You're not going to say the player is ontologically evil for summoning a bird to fight for them

[vocal kestrel]

idk how yall are defending necromancy like that. imagine I went out and slaughtered half a country, and then denied half of those people their right to eternal peace because I wanted constructs of flesh and death. oh but its ok i had a rough childhood and was groomed into this lifestyle

[raven brook]

eternal peace

dude

[spare pier]

You're assuming that necromancy requires the soul to begin with

[raven brook]

we have no signs of a confirmed afterlife of any sort

[vocal kestrel]

GRAVE ROBBERY IS BAD REGARDLESS

[raven brook]

you're making way too many assumptions y eah

[vocal kestrel]

OH MY GOD YOU CAN NOT BE REAL RIGHT NOW.

[eager bluff]

dude we knows what happens to souls when people die and spoiler alert it doesnt seem to be going to an afterlife

[split mortar]

Grave robbery isnt a “this person is defiling a persons soul forever they should die” thing tho

[raven brook]

ok so

[spare pier]

Anyways this is the part where I come in with Whispering Maelstrom and yeah that shit is fucked up sorry guys

[split mortar]

Do we even know what that is

[cosmic zenith]

I think you guys are way too afraid to make Calamitas seem bad :p

[spare pier]

I do

[wanton pendant]

Would you rather be part of Sepulchre or Polterghast debate locked after 15 straight hours of heated discussion.

[spare pier]

[eager bluff]

whispering maelstrom is fucked up yes

ive seen the scrolling textures on it

[spare pier]

The Whispering Maelstrom is literally a singularity of souls which mana is eternally reused to fuel it

[raven brook]

Nah the problem isn't her doing bad shit cuz she has

But now we're stooping to saying graverobbing is unforgivable and ontologically evil? 😭

[spare pier]

Every person it kills makes it stronger

[wanton pendant]

Recycling, Calamitas clearly is a saint.

I have bad news for you about archeology.

[vocal kestrel]

guys we should just grave rob people for their jewlery irl theres no after life they dont need it anyways also sell their bones regardless of their beliefs when buried or their families whims

[spare pier]

The question now is whether you believe that's denying someone an afterlife (if you even believe that's a thing in Calamity to begin with)

[split mortar]

Ok yeah wtf

[eager bluff]

we do its called archaeology

[vocal kestrel]

we dont have moral compasses in lore discussion

[wanton pendant]

Relevancy?

[raven brook]

the nefarious strawman

[spare pier]

Bro fuck off

If you're not going to engage in this discussion seriously then just leave

[cosmic zenith]

Can you guys please chill

[wanton pendant]

Ignore how like, two days ago we were telling someone genocide is bad.

[spare pier]

Stop throwing around this bullshit

[cosmic zenith]

It's embarassing to see a developer and a mod get this worked up over an argument

[vocal kestrel]

ok ill leave

[raven brook]

I personally think there's understadable reason for people to not want to forgive calamitas although i personally disagree

[spare pier]

I'm not bro

[raven brook]

I'm not really worked up at all

Sorry if it seemed that way

[spare pier]

I literally just explained Whispering Maelstrom to show that yeah Calamitas' magic is still really fucked up

[cosmic zenith]

Your words have really been screaming otherwise

[raven brook]

It's not that i'm worked up

[spare pier]

And then here comes Mister Strawman and "Lore Discussion has no moral compass"

[raven brook]

I'm just don't care much about being super nice to people i don't really know

[cosmic zenith]

Which, please stop too

[raven brook]

I won't like. throw insults at people randomlyt

But i'm not above being a bit sarcastic if people are being inflammatory or obnoxious aswell

Yeah, i'm a moderator, i do need to show a bit of restraint

[spare pier]

Idk I just don't see a reason to be respectful to someone who isn't being respectful to me

[raven brook]

But ultimately this is still a fully volunteer position so i'd rather not force myself to act a certain way becasue of it

[spare pier]

Specially when I don't know them

[cosmic zenith]

Don't compromise yourselves just because someone was disrespectful to you
You'll gain nothing from it, in fact you'll lose :p

[raven brook]

Like i'm not even mad or anything

I'm just Like This

[cosmic zenith]

I can't tell you what to do, of course

This is merely advice

[raven brook]

i'm just kind of a sassy bitch sometimes

[spare pier]

Idk man I'm still A Person and I'd rather not have to worry about "my image" or whatever, specially when someone is being disrespectful to me

Letting my grievances out to me is way more important than keeping up a facade

I'm not like you, I can't process this stuff internally

[cosmic zenith]

Fair enough

I'm just suggesting caution because this is the type of thing that can backfire

[spare pier]

If I'm not blowing up at the person I'm blowing up in someone's DMs

Yeah I know

[feral skiff]

could the entire world military of Earth kill Noxus?????????

[wanton pendant]

Do we include nukes?

[feral skiff]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Easily.

[spare pier]

Uuuuh probably

[crystal pendant]

What if we give noxus nukes

[wanton pendant]

Now you're asking the real questions.

[feral skiff]

mutually assured destruction

[spare pier]

Well actually I don't think so, depending on whether or not Noxus could teleport

[wanton pendant]

Not if we nuke EVERYWHERE at once!

[spare pier]

I.e go to the Distortion

If Noxus can then nuking it isn't really reasonable

[split mortar]

Noxus minf controls half the army to kill the other half clearly

[spare pier]

They'll come and Noxus will just

Peace the fuck out

And any singular assault at it wouldn't really work

[wanton pendant]

But what if Genghis Khan comes back from the dead and says he Genghis Khan't teleport?

[spare pier]

Damn

True I didn't consider that

[spare pier]

Like they'd have to wittle down Noxus

One small issue

If Noxus ever got hurt enough it'd just

Hide

Until it is healed

[cosmic zenith]

Anyways
Basically, I agree that graverobbing is inherently fucked up, though not a basis to claim ontological evil; it is not about denying some their afterlife, it's about denying the right to an dignified burial as desired by the person and their family

I disagree entirely with downplaying Calamitas' upbringing. It is not a justification, but it's terribly insensitive to act like it never happened or didn't greatly impact her life choices

I personally hold the opinion that Calamitas can only be forgiven by those she hasn't done anything against; the people she has traumatized can't mentally forgive her, even if they do understand her

Just wanted to give my two cents

[feral skiff]

entire world military vs two calamitas

[spare pier]

Ok now yeah they're winning

[raven brook]

Agree w everythjng here

[wanton pendant]

What if both Calamiti have a gun?

[cosmic zenith]

And yes I do not think the world's army could articulate a lethal attack on Noxus, at least not soon enough to not be destroyed first

[spare pier]

Unless Calamitas' fire shield somehow protects her from the heat of the explosion but that's a massive stretch

[crystal pendant]

Calamiti? Interesting. What’s a group of calamiti called?

[wanton pendant]

Uh, I played Sonic 3 & Knuckles, fire shield makes you imune to fire.

[wanton pendant]

A childhood trauma.

[spare pier]

A Calamity

Duh

[crystal pendant]

Of course

[split mortar]

Calamitous chat this has been

[crystal pendant]

Truly

[split mortar]

What a calamity

[wanton pendant]

How calamitous.

[spare pier]

Yeah tl;dr

If they somehow managed to find a way of exploding a nuke or two on Noxus? Yeah they'd have a chance

Otherwise no

[wanton pendant]

According to YouTube commentators, we should ask Yharim for help. Surely there's no issue with asking such a noble, angelic individual?

[spare pier]

I agree!

[crystal pendant]

Yes he’s flawless

[raven brook]

Unrelated but
Laura and a few others here have seen me when i'm actually mad, when i am i don't throw petty sarcasm at people, i blow up horribly and kill everyone

It's Hell Torture

[wanton pendant]

You were in Minecraft!?

[raven brook]

Bpd my beloved

[spare pier]

Solution:

Stop being mad

Throw Azazel at them

[split mortar]

Do not let azazel have mod powers

[raven brook]

Might be true

[wanton pendant]

Read my documents.

[spare pier]

Every time you're angry?

Azazel

[split mortar]

Wait no do let azazel have mod powers

[crystal pendant]

placingblocksandshit

[spare pier]

Unleash the demon on your enemies

[crystal pendant]

yes just let hatred consume everyone, easy win

[spare pier]

No you don't get what I'm talking about

You don't know the demon

[crystal pendant]

:(

probably right

[stoic gulch]

What would you guys say is the best part about the bestiary rework (as in most interesting lore)

[leaden bridge]

is this the son of the dragon of life?

[wanton pendant]

Isn't it obvious?
The Scraggler's bestiary entry is just... it's perfection.

[stoic gulch]

Not counting the scraggler, otherwise it’s quite obvious

It’s like comparing breaking bad to emoji movie

[split mortar]

😭

[wheat walrus]

i had to

that was a forbidden class schizopost twin

[rigid kettle]

Hi, i was talking with some friend i was got this question, where do the calamity gang scale in term of destruction. Like i remember calamitas burning an ocean but that’s all i think i know. We don’t know long she take and how hard it was so if someone have more information ?

[raven brook]

She burned a sea specifically ,not an ocean, which is wroth noting
And she didn't fully evaporate itas much as she significantly lowered the water level by evaporating alot of the water in the surface

[split mortar]

The only info we got on the scal burning the sunken sea is dev statements which
Range from part of italy to the entirety of the Mediterranean sea and the time ranges from days to weeks or months

[raven brook]

And it took a few days iirc based on some statements done here, nothing 100% confirmed ingame but seems atleast pretty much certain it took some time

[raven brook]

(The sunken sea biome)

Not as impressive as boiling an entire ocean dry since it wasn't a full evaporation and the sunken sea is way smaller than an actual ocean

[rigid kettle]

Okay i see and do we have other destrucion feat we could compare with ?

[raven brook]

Don't think there's many destruction feats in the mod

Overall the mod is alot more

grounded, per say

[split mortar]

Uhh
Deus slams the astral meteor down into the planet is the closes thing i can think of

[raven brook]

in its character's strengts

[split mortar]

Yeah

[raven brook]

It IS still fantasy so wack y shit happens

But it's nothing like

insanely over the top like blowing up a continent or planet or anything

[tepid marten]

Or punching a table to cause an earthquake

[rigid kettle]

Yeah lol and may be better like that

[raven brook]

yeah it makes it so its

alot easier to tell the s tory they wanna tell

ofc

a story on a super high powerscale can work

[split mortar]

Insert dev statement of xeroc making the sun not as harsh

[raven brook]

its not impossible, look at gurren loagan

btu for the story of calamity

a more grounded general power for characters works better

[split mortar]

Providence, moonlord and others wouod have ended the world if they could

[rigid kettle]

But how long could they take

Because it’s kinda like everything it can just be a question of time

[raven brook]

Providence basically has no real chance of ending the world as is, her goal IS to eradicate all life but its basically a pipe dream

Moon lord on his prime i feel actually had a chance of doing it

He was crazy strong

[split mortar]

Yeah prime fovos got scarily close but still not quite there

[split mortar]

🤷

[raven brook]

Don't get me wrong she's not weak

[rigid kettle]

Ain’t moon lord in terraria comic a world destroyer

[tepid marten]

I feel like if prime fovos showed up now he could probably do it

[rigid kettle]

Fovos weaker than moon lord

[raven brook]

She's a powerful goddess with an armada of cultists of her own and mastery over fire

[split mortar]

Terraria lore not canon

[split mortar]

Ah

Idk

[rigid kettle]

Not canon to calamity but is it canon to terraria ?

[raven brook]

But even then,

[rigid kettle]

I don’t remember

[raven brook]

This at most means she can take down some cities and settlement

But she isn't powerful enough to actually like eradicate continents of life or civilization completely

[split mortar]

Ml in vanilla is said to have literal infinite power in the bestiary so there is an interpretation (even if wacky) that ml while weakened is like universal

[raven brook]

her goal is ultimately kind of a pipe dream and she would never realistically be able to achieve it which i think is a intentional part of the characterization

[wanton pendant]

What's that?

[rigid kettle]

I see

[raven brook]

Mqight be something explored more indepth when provi rework happens and stuff

[wanton pendant]

Virtually.

[split mortar]

Its the one with anti spiral and the universe sized drill i think

[wanton pendant]

The what.

[rigid kettle]

Fight the power

[raven brook]

A really well written and beloved anime that has a story that includes extremely over the top power ceilings for its characters

Like universal stuff

[rigid kettle]

Gurren lagann so high in every way

Bullshit never could be that cool

[raven brook]

I still have to finish it

Me and a friend were gonna watch butg my pc has no audio rn. unfrotunate

Once i get my new laptop prob will

[rigid kettle]

I wonder how many rework upd before we can finally meet yharim in person

[raven brook]

Alottt

[split mortar]

Once they effectively rework the entire mod

[rigid kettle]

I think 3

[raven brook]

Yharim is likely to be around one of the last major content updates

[rigid kettle]

As big as this one 3

[raven brook]

Updates from now on will be smaller,

and focused more on specific things of the mod

[rigid kettle]

Aight

[raven brook]

rather than being super generalized things like brainstorm

like

[split mortar]

Rework the sunken sea
Rework crags
Add distortion
A lot of other smaller updates

[raven brook]

sky update, evil biome update, pluage update, etc (just spitballing/giving examples)

[rigid kettle]

Distorsion like the DoG pocket world

[split mortar]

DoG doesnt own it

[raven brook]

Distortion is a full blown subworld with its own biomes, enemies, resources and worldgen worth noting

Youtuve seems to have

intentionally or not

spread the idea its basically a boss arena for DoG

[split mortar]

Moonlord is from the distortion as well

[rigid kettle]

Isn’t there 2 people that tried to kill yharim

[raven brook]

like the great sand shark subworld in infernum

[rigid kettle]

Trapped

[raven brook]

when it really isn't

[rigid kettle]

Oooh

[raven brook]

Braelor & Statis yeah

Braelor is trapped in the distortion

Statis isn't though,

[split mortar]

Statis and braelor yeah
Statis made a deal with signus to escape

[raven brook]

got out thanks to Signus

They'll both be wandering npcs

[rigid kettle]

I see them tuff looking as hell

[raven brook]

one in the overworld, one in the distortion

with their own questline

[split mortar]

Gays

[raven brook]

which will end in getting braelor oujtta the distortion and reuniting him with statis

[rigid kettle]

Aaaah

[raven brook]

Braelor's the big armored guy, Statis is the ninja

and yeah they're gay. only canonical couple in the mod even

literally the Only One

[rigid kettle]

Look like god of life brother lowkey

[raven brook]

He was the goddess of life's champion

[split mortar]

Braelor is the goddess of lifes champion

[raven brook]

Basically her pupil

[rigid kettle]

Mmmh

[raven brook]

His armor and axe were both made by her iirc

[tepid marten]

His armor looks fire

[raven brook]

Statis on the other hand was a ninja from the onyx kinsmen

[rigid kettle]

Yharon and yharim couple will be stated soon so 🤞

[raven brook]

A group of ninja/samurai that worshipped signus and the slime god

He was seemingly the strongest of em

[split mortar]

Yharon is like minimum near 20 times yharims age

[raven brook]

Thanks to recent vanilla bestiary rewrites

We know Statis basically just

[latent bolt]

is the fabled "SSO" canon to calamity lore

[raven brook]

Stealthed his way to the dungeon

And assasinated a bunch of yharim's guards there

which is where alot of the skeleton enemies in the dungeon come from

[rigid kettle]

It’s not like yharim is in his 20

[raven brook]

to try rescuing some of his fellow kinsmen who were emprisoned there

[split mortar]

Fair enough

[raven brook]

The age gap kind of stops mattering after a while i feel mainly when the two individuals have basically the same general level of maturity

Not like it matters anyways lol

[split mortar]

Kill 7 billion yharmy soldiers

[rigid kettle]

I remember trying to explain the original band age to a friend i was so lost

[raven brook]

statis speech bubble

[rigid kettle]

Draedon is like so old

[raven brook]

bobot

[split mortar]

Yeah 660 ish

[raven brook]

its so funny that like

all of the higher ranking members of the yharmy (and ex members) are like super fucking old

[rigid kettle]

Draedon feel like the most inexperimented when he is old as hell

[raven brook]

draedon is like 660
yharim is on his 130s
yharon is god knows how old
permafrost is like,,,, 400 iirc?
devourer is ??????????????????????????????

and then calamitas is just

[split mortar]

And then scal is there as a minor when she was there

[raven brook]

27-28

[split mortar]

Yea

[raven brook]

and yeah when she was there she was straight up a kid

the yharim image

where is it let me find it

[icy veldt]

Well at least Yharim's crusade gives her a bit of a head-start!

[wanton pendant]

Compared to the rest of Team Yharim, Calamitas is an infant.

[raven brook]

found it

yharim

[rigid kettle]

Is this one old lore accurate ?

[rigid kettle]

Gundam cycle🙏

[wanton pendant]

No, she would explode.

[split mortar]

Yharims parents are also dead

[raven brook]

i mean probably still modern lore accurate calamitas's parents are also in fact dead still,

though this time

she has an adoptive father atleast

even if her biological family is still uh

dead

[rigid kettle]

Alpha leader yharim only need a dragon for family

[icy veldt]

Tbh they probably supported Yharim's cause

[raven brook]

yknow kinda funny the iceman has the firegirl as his adopted child

isnt that ironic

[split mortar]

They were in azafure

[icy veldt]

Yes, that's the reason why

[rigid kettle]

Don’t the archimage is master of all element

[raven brook]

Permafrost's specialization is ice magic

It's what he's best at

but hes still just

generally good at magic yea

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but he's not green.

[raven brook]

he can do other things

hes just The Best at ice magic

he even developed a unique ice spell which probably took him a shit ton of research to make

[latent bolt]

is yharim an unc

[raven brook]

which lets him make himself like

[split mortar]

Permafrost vs global warming

[raven brook]

not really immortal but age super slowly

hes half-frozen basically

its why hes like

400 something years odl

[wanton pendant]

Old.

[raven brook]

despite being a normal human

not a god or anyhting

[wanton pendant]

Oldmaxxing.

[split mortar]

How gay is permafrost

[rigid kettle]

Look like regulus ability

[raven brook]

melon gun bingo

[rigid kettle]

How gay is everyone atp

[wanton pendant]

Bingo.

[split mortar]

Already did it a few times earlier today

[wanton pendant]

At least a 3.

[split mortar]

Uh we know calamitas is aro ace and slimegod is genderfluid
The guardians seem pretty gay for providence atleast the healer does

[wanton pendant]

Who isn't a little gay for the murder goddess?

[rigid kettle]

No way we know that much about their sexual attraction

[tepid marten]

Only the most important lore

[raven brook]

Statis and Braelor are canonically in a relationship with eachother so those two gay af
Calamitas is aroace so she is not gay but is queer
Xeroc is he/they so hes also a form of queer

I think those are all the canonically queer characters i can think of

Oh and bandit i guess but like. theyre not really important

[split mortar]

We do
Dev statements and ingame stuff

[rigid kettle]

Aight

[wanton pendant]

Wow, hating my they? Inconceivable.

[split mortar]

Missed slimegod and the profaned healer relic item tooltip

[raven brook]

Slime god also dosent count because slime god is a bum

[split mortar]

Fuck you

[rigid kettle]

I prefer more information on why draedon waited so much to help humanity

[raven brook]

I mean he didn't really help humanity

Atleast not for that explicit goal

I guess he DID help humanity but not out of like

altruism

He just wants to do research

[split mortar]

Draedon is pure science goaled

[rigid kettle]

Yes but even if it wasn’t yharim army having hand is usefull

[raven brook]

Just so happens that research brings benefit sometimes like i don't know inventing fridges or something

[rigid kettle]

And cost less

Child labor

[raven brook]

Draedon joined Yharim's army just for mutual benefit

[split mortar]

Draedon did go to yharim once he heard of the crusade stuff due to the resources

[raven brook]

He gets resources and protection

Yharim gets cool guns to give his soldiers

[rigid kettle]

He could get too on smaller kingdome pretty sure

He didn’t have to wait for yharim that much

[raven brook]

I mean Yharim has

far, far more resources than any small kingdom

And also he wanted a chance to study Yharon up close

[rigid kettle]

Yharim is indeed better but like what draedon was alone for 500 years watching human

[raven brook]

Cuz Yharon is the lkast auric dragon remaining so it was a once-in-a-life(?)time opportunity

[raven brook]

He was doing research and working on his own projects but just kinda by himself

[rigid kettle]

Space exploration dlc with draedon wheeen

[wanton pendant]

Who isn't a little science for the murder dragon?

[raven brook]

He didn't have interest in working with humans at the time

Prob due to a lack of such a big incentive like yharom

and then usually not having enough resources for him to bother

But then Yharim comes with

A very clear way he could help him (military technology), an extremely attractive research potential (yharon, study on auric dragons) and a shit ton of resources and financial support to give him

and he was liek

yknow what sure

worth a try

very funny draedon was genuinely just a fucking cryptid before he was like bigfoot

people would see glimpses of him and tell it like a urban legend

[rigid kettle]

He could make himself stronger tbh

[rigid kettle]

Lmaooo

[raven brook]

The exo mechs already are his strongest creation so far

He dosen't really care about pure strenght

[rigid kettle]

Himself his body don’t look like to have weaponnery

He don’t even walk and stay inna chair

[raven brook]

The exo mechs were more of a passion project ot est the limits of his engineering and military technology skills

[split mortar]

And will be for a while

[raven brook]

That's just a scout body

It's not his actual body

he dosen't really have one

He's code

[tepid marten]

It’s kinda like an ultron thing

I tgink

[raven brook]

The body is just as disposable as any other

[rigid kettle]

Wait we pick yharim heart and brain for him to make a clanker yharim

[rigid kettle]

Ooh i thought he really had the code in only one body

[split mortar]

Why would heart and brain be the parts that make yharim strong

[rigid kettle]

Yeah he can’t die like that

[raven brook]

yeah the code is all throughout his databanks all over the world

[rigid kettle]

Maybe that he still have the auric soul

[wanton pendant]

Because that's where the power of friendship is stored.

[rigid kettle]

Not sure

[raven brook]

To really "destroy" him you'd have to destroy all devices with draedon's code on it

[wanton pendant]

Yharim doesn't have that.

[split mortar]

Only yharon has auric soul

[raven brook]

yharim or yharon?

[split mortar]

Yharim is attuned to it

[raven brook]

yharim's the guy

eh dosen't have an auric soul

yharon does tho

[rigid kettle]

Don’t yharim and yharon share the soul

[split mortar]

No

[wanton pendant]

No, they do something far more gay.

[split mortar]

Yharim and yharon are just so in sync their souls are attuned

[rigid kettle]

I thought he was worthy of auric ore because of that

[raven brook]

They're attuned which means they have a spiritual bond that gives them some connections and abilities

But yharim dosen't literaly get yharon's auric soul

He gets the ability to telepathically communicate with him and insane vitality (he's on his 130s but just as healthy and beefy as he was in his youth)

Which

That might be like,

a portion of the rebirth ability

Given yk

Super good vitality rebirth and all that

[rigid kettle]

Yeah yeah

[split mortar]

Rebirths my vitality

[wanton pendant]

Over my haul.

[rigid kettle]

Can he summon fire

[wanton pendant]

Maybe.

[raven brook]

we dunno but the yomi kyharim mod is apparently lore accurate with his attacks and how he fights

[wanton pendant]

I didn't play YOMIH.

[raven brook]

so thatsa good reference point

[split mortar]

For yharim powers look at the yomi hustle mod spparently its accurate
Can summon lightning

[rigid kettle]

What is that

[tepid marten]

We’ll find out in 400 years when the yharim fight releases

[raven brook]

its a fighting game

[rigid kettle]

The yharim with big eyes ??

Oooh

I know

[split mortar]

Thats the lorde

[rigid kettle]

With the sticks ??

[raven brook]

there's a officially endorsed yharim mod for it

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/yomihustle-gif-9434428002850751280

[tepid marten]

Epic embed fail

[split mortar]

What

[wanton pendant]

Goku?

[rigid kettle]

So yharim can really summon a giant laser beam

[split mortar]

No i have a memory

[raven brook]

with lore-accurate moves that got proofread (?) by ozzatron and other writers iirc..?

[raven brook]

p sure with yharims crystal yeah

[wheat walrus]

You've got to be kittying me

[raven brook]

he probably actually used it as a weapon

[rigid kettle]

We don’t have the same crystal atp

[raven brook]

he was mostly a close range warrior but that dosent mean hesw limited by it

[split mortar]

Is the yomi hustle mod as a source even worse then dev statements to you

[wheat walrus]

Eee, no

bc it is no incoherent mess

[rigid kettle]

I lowkey just want yharim sword

[icy veldt]

Calamitas's face when she gets so excited about finally being reunited with Permafrost that she accidentally incinerates him

[rigid kettle]

The one we have is too small

[raven brook]

yomi yharim mod isn't a 100% perfect replica of how yharim fights but it works well as a baseline ot imagine how he would fight

[split mortar]

We dont have yharims sword

[raven brook]

Because again

it was fact-checked and approved by ozz

[rigid kettle]

We don’t have a look a like one

[wanton pendant]

Erm, Permafrost taught Calamitas so he's stronger, duh.

[raven brook]

One of the Appeals of the mod

is the facti ts lore accurate

Even if yharim won't fight EXACTLY like it for sho

it absolutely works well as a reference point for how he'd generally fight

[split mortar]

Those swords were changed to not be yharims swords or a lookalike

[rigid kettle]

In the last upd ?

[raven brook]

nah really long time ago

like years

[split mortar]

Nah years ago

[raven brook]

theyre caustic edge or wtv now

[rigid kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/yharim-calamity-terraria-gif-20971440

[raven brook]

not related to yharim

[rigid kettle]

There isn’t a long craftinh tree sword that look a bit like this ???

[icy veldt]

Who even made up most of those words 💀

[wanton pendant]

Terraria doesn't have skilltrees.

[raven brook]

that animation is ancient

it's not accurate to modern day

[split mortar]

Thats outdated and ancient and is it even official

[raven brook]

idk it might be fanmade but i thiiink

[rigid kettle]

Im sleepy sorry

[raven brook]

it was ao ffical demonstration (?)

dont quote me on thjat tho

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message

[raven brook]

demonstration/proof of conmcept thigny

[rigid kettle]

I know it’s not official but i thought the sword was

What do the sword look like so ?

[raven brook]

We haven't seen it yet

[split mortar]

We dont know what yharims sword will look like

[rigid kettle]

Aaaaaaaah

[split mortar]

And i doubt it will be made for a while due to not mattering much

[rigid kettle]

Yeaah

[icy veldt]

Yeah I know where it's from, I was merely joking about the sheer verbosity of it

[rigid kettle]

But calamity have so much coold sword will they be able to make a cooler one then the ones alr in

Never played melee i should do it someday

[pulsar ocean]

dude what if they added skilltrees to terraria

[rigid kettle]

For the funsies

[split mortar]

Id boar everyone and then myself

[pulsar ocean]

lowkenuinely what if the copper shortsword scaled throughout the whole game

[wanton pendant]

How horrible.

[rigid kettle]

Did the murasama rework came this upd ??

[pulsar ocean]

no

[wanton pendant]

No.

[split mortar]

No

[pulsar ocean]

not coming for the next like 2 years maybe

[rigid kettle]

Aight

[rigid kettle]

Damn

[pulsar ocean]

idk why they made it this early

[rigid kettle]

All the leaks feel too early

If we get another playable mech im happy

[split mortar]

The devs are generally pretty open with what they are doing afaik

[rigid kettle]

Might donate to get a donator weapon wich is a controlable mech

[wanton pendant]

Bad news.

[split mortar]

Those stopped being done years ago

[tepid marten]

Soon ™
Sometime between now and the heat death of the universe

[split mortar]

They have just had a huge backlog

[rigid kettle]

Understandable

I will never play gundams in terraria

[split mortar]

And so are still catching up with what was requested years ago

[tepid marten]

Make your own mod

[rigid kettle]

Someday

What is the language even

[split mortar]

C# iirc

[rigid kettle]

Will lowkey start learning code soon enough

[tepid marten]

Yeah c#

[rigid kettle]

Idk this one

I know c++ not c#

[tepid marten]

Neither do I, but no time better than now to get learning

[rigid kettle]

Idk how to draw too

[tepid marten]

Eh, pixel art can’t be that hard

[rigid kettle]

Anyway

Thanks everyone for the chat ima go finish baki new season

[pulsar ocean]

did u guys watch the recent jjk episode

[wanton pendant]

No.

[simple tangle]

Just saw the yappin that happened earlier

[split mortar]

The one where someone chatgpt a reason ehy they should kill scal?

Or should be able to

[pulsar ocean]

witches get stitches

[simple tangle]

Yes

[robust osprey]

scal slander will not be tolerated

this happens 1 more time and I'll start killing people

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas stinks!

[robust osprey]

kills melongun

[wanton pendant]

Acceptable, carry on.

[split mortar]

WHAT THE FUCK

[robust osprey]

I said I'd start killing people

I did not specify which people

[icy veldt]

"Calamitas shouldn't be spared after her fight, considering everything that she has done"
<"Build a prison cell in Azafure or the Sunken Sea and make her live in it"
"I don't want a reasonable punishment. I want to murder"

[raven brook]

Wasn't even the problem honestly

The first one was just incomprehensible and the second ne just went way overboard and said some really exaggerated strawman claims simply because people disagreed with their opinion on a fictional character

[manic coral]

It seems like I missed something that happened earlier.

[raven brook]

I do feel like at times people act like calamitas is a saint and that saying anything bad abt her ever is horrible and bad. ik this is in part of exxageration and not everyone does that but it feels like it sometimes - It's not only unreasonably over-defensive but it's also like ...,,,

part of her character

[manic coral]

Unfortunate.

[raven brook]

the fact she isn't innocent and did some really bad shit and by all means, isn't a innocent individual and definitely won't be forgiven by some people

But also is still trying to make up for it despite the tragedies of the past and to do better that makes her a compelling character

To me it always feel like

There's a stark contrast between

[manic coral]

If they think she is simply evil and bad, nobody is making them think otherwise.

[leaden bridge]

People are what?????? She killed people?????????

[manic coral]

They may do what they wish with that fact.

[raven brook]

Calamitas is a evil ghoul fiend from hell

and

Calamitas should be forgiven 100% of the time and is a completely good person

Euphemism. I should note. I don't think i've generally seen anyone express THIS extreme of opinions

But

I think i've noticed

[manic coral]

People just tend to act like having the option to do one or another is representative of being told to do it.

[icy veldt]

The problem is that she served Yharim. Killing people is just a means of accomplishing goals

[raven brook]

alot of people tend ot fall generally in either group

While there's a

lesser amount of people that, i think

Actually address her character in a more reasonable way

[simple tangle]

Mfs when participants in war kill people

[raven brook]

Like i feel like its more of a majority that does one or the either (Again, euphemism)

[manic coral]

Also, hello Cheese.

[robust osprey]

it makes question myself why make a long ass text about why should you kill calamitas when it can be just

[raven brook]

Hello :D ( 🌹 ?)

[robust osprey]

options are cool to have

[leaden bridge]

Calamitas should talk more about her dead brothers she carries around

[robust osprey]

lol

[icy veldt]

I'm gonna glue those two extremes together: Calamitas should only be forgiven if she kills my enemies!

[raven brook]

I think everything stip said abt calamitas e arlir is like

i 100% perfectly agree with what he said lol

thank u stipulate venus

[manic coral]

This was planned on. And now obviously will take a while to see the light of day for obvious reasons.

[raven brook]

Anyways
Basically, I agree that graverobbing is inherently fucked up, though not a basis to claim ontological evil; it is not about denying some their afterlife, it's about denying the right to an dignified burial as desired by the person and their family

I disagree entirely with downplaying Calamitas' upbringing. It is not a justification, but it's terribly insensitive to act like it never happened or didn't greatly impact her life choices

I personally hold the opinion that Calamitas can only be forgiven by those she hasn't done anything against; the people she has traumatized can't mentally forgive her, even if they do understand her

Just wanted to give my two cents

Like this imo is just genuinely completely correct from my pov

thats why stip is #goat

[simple tangle]

What does "can't mentally forgive her" mean

[wanton pendant]

I do think the whole 'Calamitas keeps her dead brothers around' is an interesting part of her character.

[manic coral]

Along with every other thing relating to her.

[raven brook]

They are far too truamatized by qwhat she did to them and their families/friends/groups to be able to actually forgive her

Even if they understand her circumstances

[robust osprey]

and then calamitas becomes amidias' neighbor

[wanton pendant]

If someone was made to kill your family, even if they were sorry, would you ever want to be anywhere near them?

[split mortar]

I sorta suck putting stuff to words so i think i stuck to being on the overly forgiving of her part due to being simpler
Sorry

[manic coral]

If that's what she ends up as, that would be on you.

[robust osprey]

I want to make amidias suffer!

[raven brook]

Making calamitas amidias's neighbour is the most evil shit ever godamn 😭 😭

[simple tangle]

No thats not what this was referring to

[raven brook]

bad for calamitas, WORSE for amidias.

[manic coral]

Then he shall suffer and writhe in pain.

[simple tangle]

Like, universally? Damn

[raven brook]

dude hasnt amidias suffered enough hes the only character that gets actively tortured by the community

[raven brook]

No just

A general term

There are exceptions to every rule

But generally like

[robust osprey]

he will live with Scal until SSO comes out

eternal torment

[raven brook]

If the person who directly caused you a shit ton of trauma and made your entire life get crumbled to dust overnight

And made your friends, family and etc

Die

I t hink it's realistic to say in like most cases

you would not really be able to forgive that person

It MAY happen for some individuals

[leaden bridge]

There's the new cinders of lament tooltip but (controversial and contrarian and annoying ender opinion incoming) it's a little silly she just goes "yeah they used to be very nice and protective, sweet of them to do so even in death!" As she handles you a replica of them to kill things with, like it's been a long while it's normal if she's moved on but she does carry their corpses around so it strikes me as a little awkward of her to talk about them like that

[raven brook]

But more likely tha nnot the scars run far too deep for it to b epossible

[manic coral]

I still think that Sunken Sea Overhaul, when it comes out, should have the update be called "Sunken Cost Fallacy".

[robust osprey]

LMAO

[split mortar]

Peak

[raven brook]

I think looking at the t ooltip these two lines are what id personally change

The rest is good t hough

2 me anyways

I think it just feels a bit awkward for her to call them obedient

[manic coral]

TT: They would likely be changed if it was known that they were going to be in the update.

Oh, right.

[wanton pendant]

GFB version should just say 'I miss my brothers, <name of Player>, I miss them a lot. I'll be back.'

[manic coral]

Habit.

[manic coral]

I agree.

[raven brook]

As for the last one i think i'd just word it to sound a bit more bittersweet, if that makes sense? Again. not rly sure how i'm describing this but

[leaden bridge]

We mean if anything she's not moved on because she does carry their fucking corpses around when i think about it

Doesn't sound very emotionally healthy

[manic coral]

The implication is that it is the opposite.

[raven brook]

I mean the summons are evidently really helpful and protect her

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas? Not emotionally healthy? Noooo...

[simple tangle]

Imma be so fr

[raven brook]

Using them just as tools would be weird but i think it's a mix of both them being willing protectors of her and also emotional attachment

[simple tangle]

Id do the same thing thats badass

[raven brook]

i think the weapon is just like

[manic coral]

It's not that she actively forces them to be around, it's that they simply are. If anything, having them not be around is what must be maintained.

[raven brook]

It'd be cool to have calamitas's brothers as a summon weapon

[wanton pendant]

It costs money to use them as you have to pay them. She has to pay rent somehow.

[simple tangle]

Id do necromancy #problematic #darkwoke

[leaden bridge]

The weapon exists because it made thematic coolio sense yes

[raven brook]

And yeah it would be weird of her to just give her brothers to you to kill things with but i think it's one of those cases where it's like

[leaden bridge]

Metastasis exists because staff of the mech worm was #iconic

[simple tangle]

Gameplay story dissonance

[leaden bridge]

What a tragedy

[simple tangle]

Sad that Calamitas now spells out what Metastasis is for u

[raven brook]

Pretty hard to find a way to justify it with lore without it being kinda awkward os like most other weapons

[simple tangle]

WHAT THE FUCK IS A METAPHOR

[raven brook]

not much of a point ot think too hard about it cuz they're just weapons that are meant to be fun to use and loo kcool,

[leaden bridge]

We mean it's still kinda awkward

One of those very much retroactive explanations for something existing built on like 4 layers of historical decisions like metastasis itself existing or it reusing sepulcher outright instead of having a new different weird worminion

Sepulcher existing at all

Fabsol really had to add a worm to scal

[young socket]

youre so fun to be around yknow

[wanton pendant]

It should have been Devourer but red because he wants to Jeff the kill you.

[leaden bridge]

This is my necromantic dog

[simple tangle]

Ok? Idc

Calamitas is the modern day Vriska

[leaden bridge]

That's a terrifying thing to say

[manic coral]

So that is why you go by Roxy.

[wanton pendant]

Who?

[simple tangle]

Uhm shes literally #problematic

[raven brook]

Retroactive explanations aren't really inherently bad, i actually thin kthe one for sepulcher is pretty fun

At most

Sepulcher dosen't resemble DoG too much and i feel like the connection wouldn't be easy to make without the lore

which like that is true

But tbf,

maybe the eventual dog redesign will help w/that

[simple tangle]

Surprisingly no,
It was cuz a gal I rly liked suggested Roxanne as a name and I was like

Holy shit

[spare pier]

Yeah she's fucking awesome that's what she is

[manic coral]

Ah, "Laura" is typing.

Yes.

You have summoned the Devil.

[wanton pendant]

From the Bible?

[spare pier]

No

[robust osprey]

evil being

[manic coral]

Worse.

[raven brook]

Giving devourer big freaky arms like sepulcher

[cloud ibex]

biased

[manic coral]

From the Troll Bible.

[cloud ibex]

you're infested now

[wanton pendant]

Reddit?!

[manic coral]

Homestuck.

[cloud ibex]

i don't know why my new thing is casting black mold infestations on people

don't ask

[wanton pendant]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[simple tangle]

I wonder what "Tetanus Joe" inflicts u with

[cloud ibex]

Tetanus Joe

[manic coral]

This implies the existence of Tetanus John.

[robust osprey]

give him hands that are permanently quiet doing 🖕

[simple tangle]

Holy shiiiit

[wanton pendant]

If it hasn't been for Tetanus Joe...

[icy veldt]

Devourer needs legs to serve as a neat contrast

[simple tangle]

Okay okay
Which Cal character would get Megalovania and why is it Calamitas

[cloud ibex]

no cause the joe stands for joanna

[raven brook]

skeleton merchant

[robust osprey]

the guide

[raven brook]

hes sans undertal

eits one of his names

[cloud ibex]

no, i will not elaborate

[manic coral]

Cheese is correct.

[wanton pendant]

Didn't think Tetanus Joe was a woman? Not very woke of you.

[simple tangle]

Amidias is like Gaster

[robust osprey]

gaster is

[leaden bridge]

Because fabsol copied sans dialogue and gave it to her when she was added

[robust osprey]

fogbound

[wanton pendant]

Tastes like fish?

[simple tangle]

Wait fr

[leaden bridge]

Demonic

[raven brook]

yeah

[cloud ibex]

yes

[simple tangle]

Thats so funny

[manic coral]

Indubitably.

[leaden bridge]

Yeah early scal dialogue was very sans copying

[cloud ibex]

she used to have near 1:1 sans dialogue

[raven brook]

she had meta awareness to

[simple tangle]

LOL

[raven brook]

4th wall breaking shit

[simple tangle]

HAHA

[robust osprey]

oh LMAO

[simple tangle]

terrarian...i remember youre calamities

[robust osprey]

terrarian...I remember you're QoL mods...

[raven brook]

the good ol days of eyeball

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas comments on herself dying in old versions.

[simple tangle]

same brain

[manic coral]

People attribute having this to Sans often, be he makes it very clear that he does not.

[simple tangle]

MY MEMORIES!

[raven brook]

He's aware of the existence of timelines and shit but he dose4n't actually remember stuff between them

[manic coral]

It is truely like "The Red soul represents Determination".

[raven brook]

He just deduces things bcuz hes good at reading you

[manic coral]

All souls have determination.

[simple tangle]

What did you do to my memories!

[manic coral]

I dare say it came free with your soul.

[raven brook]

anyways what was i saiyng

[robust osprey]

me when theres 2 different soul colors for the same thing (perseverance)

[wanton pendant]

Your SOUL is red because it's BALL GAME.

[simple tangle]

I wouldnt doubt the horse attributed meta awareness to Sans Undertale

[manic coral]

There is absolutely 0 evidence whatever that "Determination" is even a soul trait. Rather, there is far more actually pointing towards it being Love.

[simple tangle]

God now im just imagining Deltarot images but its Cal characters

[raven brook]

The visual design for sepuclcehr and dog is nothing alike so while the lore itself is fun and the little bit of dog slander on it is #wholesome itd be even cool if you could see sepulcher and go "hmm that kinda looks like dog..." and then myouread the lore and go "OHHHH"

[manic coral]

But that is a discussion wholly irrelevant to this chat.

[raven brook]

unsure if that'll be in the visual direction for dog's redesign

Would be a shaem if it wasn't beucaseit'd be really cool

Ofc not to like

[simple tangle]

Okay Terrarian...lets start killing some Illmerians

[raven brook]

Look Like Sepulcher

[wanton pendant]

I haven't seen such a thesis before.

[raven brook]

But to look similar enough with key design traits like the long arms mayhaps that ulook at them and go

[robust osprey]

"watch what happens when I cast a spell I know!"

-Permafrost 2025

[raven brook]

"oh theyre kinda similar wonder whats upw ith that"

[languid badge]

there is also very little evidence that soul traits are even a real thing so

[raven brook]

It does already have the big mandibles but unsure if the rdesign is going to keep that and thats also something you can associate with worms in general atp

[manic coral]

This is also correct.

[simple tangle]

My full name? It's Bandit Noxus

[manic coral]

But try telling that to Undertale fans.

[spare pier]

I mean yeah it represents Determination duh

[manic coral]

So, I simply roll with it.

[spare pier]

That doesn't mean nothing else has it

[raven brook]

i think it's less about soul traits and more about just

the humans

who had those souls

[wanton pendant]

It's red because it remembers your genocides.

[raven brook]

I like that interpretation beter anyawys cuz it dosen't add a whole other layer of worldbuilding that is barely explained and has alot of implications

[robust osprey]

whta if red is just individuality

[raven brook]

what if red is Nothing

[robust osprey]

and thats why Frisk as a name means a lot actually

[raven brook]

cuz soul traits arent real

😌

[mighty zenith]

what if red is red

[raven brook]

thats true thank u garbo

[robust osprey]

what if red is the kill color

[manic coral]

Red? Nothing?

[spare pier]

Go on

Make the joke

[manic coral]

Perhaps one may even say there is Nothing There.

[raven brook]

There.

[young socket]

what if red is redigit from terraria

[mighty zenith]

There's Nothing There.

[raven brook]

sa\y that ag

[young socket]

but what if

there was everything there

[split mortar]

DoG vs nothing there

[raven brook]

bingo

[robust osprey]

what is the red soul is the tsuki trait

[young socket]

what the fuck

[manic coral]

Hydrogen serpent versus coughing abnormality.

[robust osprey]

it turns you into a tupid catgirl

[mighty zenith]

wait is Nothing There a project moon thing

[wanton pendant]

Doesn't matter Uncle Ben, Torch God solos.

[young socket]

yes

[manic coral]

Yes.

[raven brook]

yes

[mighty zenith]

of course

idk what i was expecting

[leaden bridge]

Toby fox literally confirmed in the 20th anniversary stream glitchtale was canon and he was sending temmy to huntdown anyone who made fanfiction that didn't respect it so I'm not sure what u guys r yapping about

[wanton pendant]

Probably.

[simple tangle]

Wtf is Project Moon

[mighty zenith]

shhhh

[split mortar]

[manic coral]

Peak.

[mighty zenith]

dont wake the demons

[young socket]

an amazing thing

[wanton pendant]

Uh, no, he said Sans was a hallucination Frisk has from breathing in toxic pollen from the start of the game, duh.

[simple tangle]

Is that some gay shit I don't like any of that gay shit frfr

[robust osprey]

its too late

[raven brook]

undyne canonically became straight for a random white guy of no relevance or memorable personality or cahracter traits after seeing alphys die and being immediately fine with it the next day

wholesome

[robust osprey]

the demons have awoken

[manic coral]

It seems like you miss Ms. Serket's appearence.

[mighty zenith]

excuse you, that was john glitchtale

[young socket]

glitchtale is uh

[manic coral]

The demons already came and left.

[young socket]

its

certainly

[manic coral]

Or at least, the devil herself did.

[mighty zenith]

put some respect on his lack of name

[woeful hatch]

Is this an actual thing that happens in glitchtale

[robust osprey]

wait that happened???

[young socket]

its certainly a series that was made by. someone.

[leaden bridge]

We completely forgot this was a thing that happened

[raven brook]

yes

[robust osprey]

I dont remember that shit

[split mortar]

Neither do i huh

[mighty zenith]

i dont remember most of glitchtale

[woeful hatch]

[split mortar]

Same

[robust osprey]

I only remember alphys Fucking Dying

[leaden bridge]

Fiction so bad it "glitched" out of my head

[raven brook]

glithctale is like a bad tumblr power fantasy fanfiction that turned popular bcuz cool fight animations

[young socket]

shock value !!!

[mighty zenith]

i remember monster racism and the first episode being all over the place

[young socket]

turns out

stolen!

[simple tangle]

Glitchlamity...

[raven brook]

alphys died cuz someone needed to die for shock value and they didnt care abt alphys so they went with her cuz who cares shes not relevant anyways amiright

only uhh

[wanton pendant]

Isn't that the premise of power fantasies?

[spare pier]

I'm still here dipshit

[raven brook]

sans and wing gaster and hcara matter or whatever

[manic coral]

You clearly were not when I said that.

[raven brook]

also treat asgore as the rightful benevolent king that did nothing wrong

and toriel as objectively wrong

in everything shes done

ever

[spare pier]

We woke up 10 minutes ago give me a 8rk

[young socket]

brk

[robust osprey]

bark

[manic coral]

Toriel and Asgore both suck.

[wanton pendant]

What is Asgore's crime? Having a beer? A succulent car beer?

[spare pier]

I don't remem8er how to spell that ugh

[mighty zenith]

2016 undertale fandom attributed everything alphys did to gaster or sans

[young socket]

break

[spare pier]

Whatever

[manic coral]

8r8.

[mighty zenith]

for some reason

[wanton pendant]

I bet sexism.

[raven brook]

Asgore and Toriel don't both suck i'd say but they both Fucked Up in certain ways

[spare pier]

That makes no sense where's the k

[simple tangle]

2016 undertale fandom was insanely misogynistic

[raven brook]

Neither of them are perfectly good people

though i would say that asgore is

worse

just cuz

[manic coral]

You are correct, it is 8r8k.

[young socket]

glitchtale was hype moments and aura except that the hype moments and aura were just traced anime shots

[manic coral]

I just double checked.

[robust osprey]

thats literally the scientific community in general irl in the past holy shit

[raven brook]

even if toriel was kinda negligent and escapist

asgore kinda uh

yk

killed children

[spare pier]

Killed children

[wanton pendant]

Toriel should have locked in and defeated Asgore.

[raven brook]

Neither of them are objectively good people who did nothing wrong

[mighty zenith]

asgore definitely fucked up harder and deserved to get chewed out for it but yeah no toriel just leaving did not help the situation at all

[raven brook]

but neither are evil horrible nogoders either

[young socket]

anyways im gonna go watch jjk

bye idiots

[raven brook]

They're just people who are trying to be good but are also

responsible for some Fuckups (a bigger one for asgore .)

[spare pier]

8ye dum8ass

[manic coral]

Farewell.

[mighty zenith]

its just kind of annoying how ONLY asgore gets chewed out for his fuckups

[robust osprey]

toriel when she has a whole kingdom to rule: nah I'd leave

[young socket]

youre the dumbass

[mighty zenith]

thats probably my only gripe with undertale's ending

[spare pier]

That's projection

[young socket]

and how is yours not projection

exactly

[robust osprey]

toriel doesnt get chewed out beacuse

[manic coral]

Vriska isn't stupid. Just self-centered, which leads to her stupid actions.

[spare pier]

8ecause I'm not a dum8ass

Simple as

[robust osprey]

who tf is this woman???

and why does she look like asgore???

[wanton pendant]

ASGORE SHAVED!?

[mighty zenith]

i mean yeah toriel gets away because asgore is a pushover

[spare pier]

None of my actions are stupid

[young socket]

a smart self centered person wouldnt do stupid actions. like me

[mighty zenith]

its just kind of annoying

[woeful hatch]

I hope we get some more asgore respect in deltarune chapter 5 at least

He didn't get much in Undertale

[mighty zenith]

asgore gets with maddie in chapter 5 trust

[raven brook]

asgore dark world bossfight asgore upscale

asgore roaring knight 2

[robust osprey]

ASGORE UPSCALE

YEAAAAAAHHHH

[spare pier]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good joke Tsuki

[manic coral]

I mean, his portait in Chapter 4 is quite literally labeled "boss3".

[mighty zenith]

there's no better regain of aura than an actual catgirl gf

[wanton pendant]

Asgore will get divorced again in DELTARUNE chapter 5.

[raven brook]

poland reaction this woman

[mighty zenith]

anyway i think an asgore boss fight can actually fit perfectly into the fanservice aspect of deltarune

[split mortar]

Why are we poland reacting tsuki

[woeful hatch]

What did Poland do to deserve this

[robust osprey]

asgore needs to solo the knight to regain aura

[wanton pendant]

I don't think there is any aura in that.

[mighty zenith]

let him go all out

[raven brook]

this means azzy has aura

[mighty zenith]

wrong

[raven brook]

fascinatin

[icy veldt]

Hard disagree

[cloud ibex]

funny

[wanton pendant]

Lose to Russia?

[mighty zenith]

[robust osprey]

Asgore six human souls suspiciously colored flowers fight

[split mortar]

Photoshop asgore fight

[woeful hatch]

If I this, Garbo will surely ban me

Therefore I shall not

[wanton pendant]

Perfect Asgore.

[robust osprey]

he's so perfect...

[mighty zenith]

tread lightly

[cloud ibex]

garbo isn't powerful enough to ban me if i this

therefore i shall

[mighty zenith]

grumble mumble

[wanton pendant]

Real.

[icy veldt]

Well they didn't lose to the Bubonic Plague

[split mortar]

Im just gonna true out of pissing off garbo idk ehy garbo is angy at it

[woeful hatch]

ASGORE IS CELL?

[robust osprey]

asgore fight, flowey comeback and friend inside me ALL in chapter 5

[light linden]

hey garbo

[robust osprey]

brainrot chapter

[light linden]

want a fomx?

[mighty zenith]

a hwhat

[light linden]

fomx

[woeful hatch]

He's polish I believe

[manic coral]

Right, anyways, there's writing to get back to.

Bye.

[split mortar]

Oh