lore-discussion

[raven brook]

it's the shit ton of microorganisms and organic matter on it

[agile matrix]

ah i see

[light linden]

still think she might be delaying her regrowth a bit tbh

[wanton pendant]

You cannot drink ocean water, from neither the top nor the bottom.

[raven brook]

it odsen't matter if it's deep ocean or suface ocena

[agile matrix]

Right. Forgot those existed

[light linden]

trying to help purify the sea

[spare pier]

Because It's Fucking Dirty

[raven brook]

it's still Ocean

[wanton pendant]

It's also salty.

Which kinda isn't good for you.

[agile matrix]

i woulda thought the plant stuff woulda Stopped it

by making it Cleaner

[light linden]

or perhaps because she doesn't want yharim to shove her back in there if she regrows too soon

[raven brook]

there's algae in oceans in real life they don't make it cleaner

[wanton pendant]

If Silva was removing the salt from all of the ocean water, we have MUCH bigger problems.

[raven brook]

there's still fish poop

and plankton

and bacteria

[spare pier]

Oh yeah also another reason why I think replicating Armstrong in Yharim would be impossible is quite simply because a huge part of his fight is defined by the quick time events

[agile matrix]

since i dont naturally think Abyss as Ocean i think it more Overpurified Water

[spare pier]

Which, btw

I should mention

I think MGRR is probably the game with the best Quicktime Event integration out there

[light linden]

I love qte in a fight as like phase transitions but I can't think of a single way to implement them in terraria

[spare pier]

They actually serve a purpose and aren't just Button Mashing

Quicktime Event to leave your daughter behind

🔥

[agile matrix]

how do they work again

its been a bit since ive watched gameplay

[wanton pendant]

You have to aim slashes.

[spare pier]

Well you have your traditional QTEs in MGR

But yeah most of them are Blade Mode

Which you gotta aim and all that

[raven brook]

blade mode is very satisfying

[spare pier]

And besides that I think the Armstrong traditional QTEs are just fucking phenomenal

They're so fucking cool and feel immensely satisfying to land, on top of being pretty seamless with gameplay

[agile matrix]

instead of keyboard slamming

[raven brook]

usually qtes to me are less of a gameplay element and more of a narrative/gamefeel element to give certain moments impact

[light linden]

I agree on this in all but one case

[raven brook]

which is why overusing them constantly like a few games do is

yeah

but mgr finds a pretty fun way to blend qtes into the actual gameplay with blade mode

[light linden]

you know the phase of sundowner's fight where he has the shields?

[raven brook]

and it does the other qtes that are more about gamefeel/narrative into it really niely too

[spare pier]

And all of it is helped by Armstrong's fight dialogue being, honestly? A huge inspiration to me to this day

I think his dialogue just goes insanely hard and I love it, they're so expressive

[light linden]

I find the qte where you block his charge to be extremely difficult to the point of being painful irl

[spare pier]

Sundowner has bigger problems

But yeah

[agile matrix]

i just know him for his comments in his fight

i dont remember much else from
him

[wanton pendant]

Armstrong's dialogue has him explain his insane, radical and downright genocidal idealogy.
Of course, nobody would EVER believe someone like that was justified or in any way a role model.

[spare pier]

I don't mean just his dialogue tho

Well, ok yeah Armstrong as a whole is amazing

[light linden]

I've literally mashed the buttons over 100 times each in that qte yet had it fail

and that hurt

bad

[agile matrix]

didnt he want like
hyper capitalism and just a billion factories

[wanton pendant]

Not at all.

He wanted anarcho-darwinism.

Basically, strong prey upon the weak.

[spare pier]

They introduced the main villain of the entire game in the final level, gave him like 2 hours of screentime, and he's arguably the single most impactful character in the entire game

[agile matrix]

i haven’t played any mgr games so i am Very unknowing

[spare pier]

And JETSTREAM SAM is in the same game

[wanton pendant]

He wanted Raiden to join him because Raiden, as a former child soldier, has a predisposition to enjoy violence.

Raiden, however, has morals.

[spare pier]

Not exactly

[light linden]

raiden is basically his idealogy's result

[spare pier]

He wanted Raiden to join him because he believed Raiden was a perfect example of his ideology being right

[agile matrix]

this sounds familiar

[light linden]

a child who grew up with nothing who fought like all hell to become one of the best soldiers in history and likely the best swordsman of his lifetime

hell he did the latter with a sword that was mass produced garbage

[agile matrix]

im saying this from a guy who does not know very much, whats the major flaw with this ideology

[wanton pendant]

All the bosses in MGR:R are reflections of Raiden's traits and what he could be had he abandoned his morals.
Jetstream Sam is the most literal version, he's Raiden if he had chosen to join Armstrong.

[light linden]

his ideology would cause mass death

[spare pier]

Raiden is someone who fought for everything in his life and had to be strong to get anywhere he is nowadays. His entire life was defined by suffering and him overcoming it with his own strength, and Armstrong believed that all people should strive to be like this: selfish, and to smash anyone who stands against them.

Raiden, however, disagrees, because he believes that strength shouldn't be used for subjulgation, but to help others. Furthermore, he deeply resents everything he is, and would never wish for anyone to ever be like him: he does not think he's an idol, and he keenly acknowledges that he's a flawed person and his desire to kill is disgusting, but in the end he chooses to accept that as part of himself, because that's the only way he can protect others.

[agile matrix]

like acknowledging that, is there other flaw other than civilicide or whatever the term is for civil attack on self

[agile matrix]

intriguing

[light linden]

still think mgr's gameplay leaves much to be desired

[agile matrix]

a character knowing theyre a bad person for their actions. thats pretty neat

[spare pier]

Ok so do you know capitalism?

[light linden]

namely focused around two enemy types that of course get combined

[wanton pendant]

Raiden wants to make a world where people like him don't exist.
Armstrong wants to make a world where everyone has to be like Raiden.

[spare pier]

You know

The system we live in?

[agile matrix]

ah so i wasnt that far off with hyper capitalism

[leaden bridge]

the major flaw is that it is sickly to believe the weak do not deserve help because they are weak

[spare pier]

It has the same ideals but they manifest in different ways

[agile matrix]

instead of hyper capitalism its hyper darwinism

[wanton pendant]

'America is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it -- we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged and the strongest will thrive -- free to live as they see fit, they'll make America great again!'

[agile matrix]

yeah thatd destroy Everything

[light linden]

the rpg enemies which fire unblockable projectiles that home in slightly if you try to dodge while not moving fast enough

[wanton pendant]

This game was set in 2018.

[light linden]

and the two handed katana enemies that punish you for perfectly parrying (unless you do it consistently)

[agile matrix]

ive played enough io games to know survival of the fittest is not great

[spare pier]

"People should pick themselves up and no one should help anyone, because they should be able to live anyways. If they can't, that's because they weren't fit to exist in society"

[patent sky]

I feel like until the last sentence it was good

[light linden]

that's a problem with sam too and I hate it

minus the part of it being consistently, you get punished for it consistently

[wanton pendant]

The Winds of Destruction follow Armstrong because they love murder to varying degrees.
Like Sundowner.
He hasn't been so happy since the good old days after 9/11!

[leaden bridge]

this is like the major thing wrong with most people's heads tbh, many people aren't angstrom but they do share a crucial part of his thinking: they agree the poor and the unfortunate are there because of being weak, dirty, just ontologically wrong or bad in some way, if they were not they'd be in better conditions, clearly. and why would we help people who can't help themselves because of how evil and dirty and nefarious they are?

[spare pier]

Exactly that

Except replace "poor" for "weak"

[light linden]

why does a mechanic designed around playing well get you punished if you do it?

but uh

[agile matrix]

to prevent you from getting too good

if you just perfect parry perfectly every time you kinda just win

[leaden bridge]

capitalism has made many believe being poor is a moral failing which helps the class divide which helps the rich have you ignore the part where they genuinely fucking eat babies

[light linden]

armstrong's method to get to the point of implementing his ideology ain't good either

[spare pier]

Preventing people from being too good is actually good game design sometimes btw

[agile matrix]

yah

[light linden]

when it's a game like mgr

not really

[agile matrix]

forcing them to linit themselves very slightly is nice

[light linden]

especially on the hardest difficulty

[wanton pendant]

Armstrong was basically saying you should eat babies because the babies are too weak to deserve to live.

[light linden]

where perfect parrying is basically required for most things

[agile matrix]

why not let the babies grow to become worthy

[wanton pendant]

If they wanted to be worthy they should have thought about it before being born weak.

[agile matrix]

but all babies are born weak

thats how babies are born

[leaden bridge]

maybe they should just start being born strong?

[wanton pendant]

Skill issue.

[leaden bridge]

pull themselves up?

[agile matrix]

they cant do that without time

[wanton pendant]

I was born strong enough to benchpress the doctor.

[icy veldt]

I was with it until the part after "BURN IT DOWN!" The whole point of burning everything down is so nothing new gets born, because that would just be repeating the same mistake all over again

[wanton pendant]

I'm suprised you didn't comment about the 'from the ashes' part to make a joke about Providence.

[icy veldt]

That's exactly what I'm commenting about: the part after "BURN IT DOWN!"

...BURN IT DOWN! This part -> And from the ashes a new America will be born...

[wanton pendant]

And yet no Providence joke.

[icy veldt]

It was implied

[feral skiff]

roots? isnt that a reference to that plant girl yharim brutally murdered

[wanton pendant]

No, it's a reference to that one Terraria mod.

[quasi ginkgo]

What's the difference between XM-04 Hades and XM-05 Thanatos?

[random charm]

why do arsenal/codebreaker stuff require ore that isn’t in the world when in generates?

like how did he get that stuff

[dusk laurel]

aerialite can be found immediately (and also since its unenchanted its actually stronger)
mythril/orichalcum likely existed at some point but got mined out completely in the continent
idk he uh used something instead of infected armor plating
uelibloom isnt real and also idk what he used
t5 will use auric in the future and well he didnt have access to it even though it did exist naturally but either was rlly rare or somehow was used up, so idk he used something

[light linden]

also don't we use substitutes for some of what draedon used?

[dusk laurel]

yes

its why the stuff we make looks scrappy and uses materiel that draedon did not have access to

[karmic rain]

So uh…I’ve been thinking about this. The player has no reason to do all of this, do they?

Is it really just fun and games?

[dusk laurel]

[raven brook]

The player's reason is whatever you want it to be

The terrarian has no dialogue, backstory or anything, afte rall

They're a blank slate

[karmic rain]

Fair enough

Just checking

[hollow pivot]

Pretty much the only things about the Terrarian that we know for sure are how you deal with some enemies, and that you don't respawn.

[real glen]

The Terrarian is you

[thick bluff]

Terrarian lore?

[real glen]

Terrarian is you

[thick bluff]

By the way, everyone forgot that the Demolitionist is a dwarf, which means that there is a race of dwarves in Terraria.

And from the goblins there is only one greedy engineer, rare scouts and a worthless army.

Well, at least it's better than the Demolitionist being the only representative of his race.

[silent warren]

something interesting to me is that the bestiary entries appear to not just be from an omniscient narrator but instead seem to be told from someone else's perspective judging by the use of words such as "our" in certain entries

[cosmic minnow]

You telling me everyone who played terraria technically made an oc?

[eager bluff]

yes

[cosmic minnow]

Insane

[languid otter]

I did
my oc hitomi being one of them :)

[raven brook]

Which ones?

Atm the bestiary isn't intended to be seen as a diagetic thing written by any characters

It's meant to be a omniscient yea

But that may change later

[eternal veldt]

Funny enough there are RP servers.

Still won't change the fact that brave warrior goldfish mogs the entire calamity verse

[hollow pivot]

Why don't they match?

Why is the Brimstone Elemental treated as really strong in lore but is weaker than a plant in practice? Is this one of those bosses that are going to get swapped in progression?

[sinful adder]

No

It got weaker

Plantera is also really strong btw

[light linden]

scal got most of her power

unknown why

but she did

[long bloom]

plantera is basically polterghast lite

not just a plant

[hollow pivot]

Is that why they look the same?

[long bloom]

[hollow pivot]

(I know Polterghast is getting resprited)

[sinful adder]

No but it's a neat coincidence

[hollow pivot]

So Elementals are immortal as long as their element exists, but they can still be weakened even if you don't lessen the amount of that element?

[sinful adder]

Yes

Brimmy got beat up and maybe got her power stolen by calamitas

[hollow pivot]

Why didn't Yharim just take away as much of Silva's power as possible, is he stupid? Or does she just stay strong because Auric Soul?

[light linden]

it isn't known how scal got her powers

and silva is weird

like very weird

iirc they're the only god who wasn't an animal originally

[hollow pivot]

Huh

[light linden]

silva is seemingly more plant

[hollow pivot]

I thought the gods were humans and humanoids.

[light linden]

the other elementals who knows

[long bloom]

silva is humanoid but decidedly not a human

[light linden]

her being an animal is very questionable considering the other members of her species

one's an orb with wings, the other is a bunch of water pretending to be a mermaid, and the other is-

[languid badge]

hey the earth elemental could've been some awesome scorpion or something you never know

[light linden]

what is brimmy gonna be in her resprite?

I seem to recall a stone flower but idk if that's accurate

[hollow pivot]

Which one's an orb with wings?

[light linden]

cloud

well they're going to be one

[hollow pivot]

Wait they're changing it from goonerbait to lovecraftian?

[zenith geode]

and a little stick body

[hollow pivot]

This seems like an improvement.

[light linden]

most elementals are being changed

[hollow pivot]

Yeah that is way cooler.

[robust osprey]

biblical angel ahh

[hollow pivot]

What is going on with the Miracle Matter and The Amalgam crafting recipes?

[raven brook]

The only real requirement is that whatever they were originally had to be sapient

[eternal veldt]

Multiple shi put together by a crackhead

[raven brook]

Cuz u can't really perform a elaborate irutal if ur not sapient

[raven brook]

Eleemntals are decidedly not animals i don't think they're even

biological

they're entirely magic beings

[hollow pivot]

Can people do it to you?

[light linden]

hence why I said very questionable

[raven brook]

No examples that we know of so as far as we know no

[light linden]

the only reason why I don't just say no is because silva was the nature elemental

[eternal veldt]

Btw is the accessory that lets you have elemental baddies canon?

[raven brook]

It could THEORETICALLY be possible depending of how the ritual actually works but we've never seen it so

[hollow pivot]

Do we know how the ritual goes?

[raven brook]

nah

[eternal veldt]

Nope

[raven brook]

But if in theory you could perform the ritual on someone other than yourself

[hollow pivot]

I think that the ascension ritual would be a helpful thing to know in lore.

[robust osprey]

the terrarian is you except you dont know the ritual lol

[light linden]

which means that she has an extremely slight chance of being an animal

[sinful adder]

WRONG! BAD! NEERS TO BE WOMAN

[raven brook]

That'd be basically the only way to get a animal or otherwise nonsapient beast to ascend to godhood

[sinful adder]

GO BACK

[robust osprey]

I mean

[eternal veldt]

WRONG

[robust osprey]

good luck catching yharon soul

lol

[raven brook]

Iirc it's gonna be kept intentionally mysterious forever

Don't quote me on that though

[robust osprey]

even if you know the ritual

[raven brook]

This isn't about

ascending maxie

[eternal veldt]

Nahhh you can be a god from the start of the game since the terrarian is you. Gods vary in strength anyway

[raven brook]

they're just saying knowing the ritual as part of the lore

[sinful adder]

Elementals *must" look like woman

[hollow pivot]

“Iirc it's gonna be kept intentionally mysterious forever” ~ @raven brook

What now?

[raven brook]

fucked up

[sinful adder]

It can be any sort of woman but it's GOTTA be woman

That's like a key part of their identity

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-5876125566236340594

[eternal veldt]

Please i want my cool ass biblical angel

[robust osprey]

but they also said it'd be helpful

helpful how..

[sinful adder]

It can be angel woman. Have girl float curled up inside the wings

[raven brook]

Cuz its cool to know things

[robust osprey]

true actually

[sinful adder]

It can be abstract or weird

[hollow pivot]

Why would an Elemental want to look like a human? Would it not want to scare people to make them easier to kill?

[eternal veldt]

As for yharon's soul you are literally going to fight yharim on the place the mf's egg is in

[robust osprey]

the ritual is actually killing an horrible hog with fire infront of s dragon

[light linden]

also

[raven brook]

i cant believe theyd make elementals that arent women how could they

[hollow pivot]

Maybe that's something we can do if we defeat Yharim 🤷‍♂️

[eternal veldt]

Nope

Never

[light linden]

I still find it crazy that wyverns are sapient

[eternal veldt]

LMAO

[raven brook]

truly this has never been done before ever

[raven brook]

Ingame, no

but if you want to like

headcanon a way your character does it as part of theory or fanfiction or anything sure go for it

Don't say that ever again

[hollow pivot]

Will say, that's Re-Logic.

[robust osprey]

can we execute this user

[light linden]

[robust osprey]

ok thanks

[eternal veldt]

Oop

Mb gng

[light linden]

just realized

are there bears in calamity?

[eternal veldt]

Probobly

[raven brook]

i mean i don't see why not

[eternal veldt]

Not in game

[raven brook]

dont think theres any bears ingame

cant remember any

but i mean

[eternal veldt]

But in the worlds probably

[raven brook]

i dont see why they wouldnt exist

mundane animals exist

horses, orcas, sharks, rabbits, theres alot of just

[eternal veldt]

If you really want bears just add a mod

[raven brook]

normal ass animals

[hollow pivot]

Can't wait for the Bestiary Update to just introduce random ahh animals.

[eternal veldt]

Would be hilarious

[robust osprey]

Bear

Bestiary: it's a fucking bear

[hollow pivot]

Gonna learn Ascension Ritual in the Bestiary Entry for Sea Sponge.

[light linden]

reason I'm asking

would a bear win vs dragonfolly?

[eternal veldt]

I wonder if the dried water throwing things in the dessert would recognise amidias

[robust osprey]

spongebob is tyrian confirmed ?!

[hollow pivot]

Is Tyrian ever stated to have died?

[light linden]

not explicitly iirc

but very likely died

[hollow pivot]

Also does Yharim ever go to a different continent?

[eternal veldt]

Very likely means there is a slim chance

[eternal veldt]

Yes

[sinful adder]

this looks like shit but imagine if the outline of the cloud is also the shape of a person's body laying down

[raven brook]

Uhhhh yeah definitely not

[robust osprey]

the whole city he was in got ultra nuked by a godkiller child that's pretty though to survive imo

[raven brook]

Like absolutely not

Orcas are hardmode enemies

And orcas like

would eat a bear

[hollow pivot]

Is that a cloud or just really large amounts of hair?

[eternal veldt]

How many warrior goldfish would it take to take down yharim

[raven brook]

Dragonfolly is, counting with the retier

a late pre hm boss

[sinful adder]

both

[eternal veldt]

Switched for hive mind

[sinful adder]

the woman is the cloud

[eternal veldt]

Lol

[raven brook]

Bears are getting nuked by a Dragonfolly it's literally a dragon with fantasy powers

[hollow pivot]

Dragonfolly when it gets sent to the sky and becomes Pre-Skeletron:

[raven brook]

Personally i think you don't need to make all elementals women and that it being a "key part of the identity" dosent matter because things identities can change and said identity was built entirely like that because fabsol was a gooner

🙂‍↕️

[hollow pivot]

Wait are Draconic Swarmers also getting nerfed and sent to the sky?

[raven brook]

Yeah bears still getting nuked dawg

dude fucking

king slime

would kill a bear

horribly

[hollow pivot]

Underground bears definitely exist yo.

[eternal veldt]

How many would it take is the question

[raven brook]

True i never thought about that

maybe they're getting redesigned

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sinful adder]

ok fair but I think its actually a kinda neat thing to have the elementals be a vaguely feminine shape as a cohesive theme between them

[hollow pivot]

Draconic Swarmers are getting turned into weak bears that can fly?

[eternal veldt]

Please no

I don't want flying bears

[eternal veldt]

I agree. I just don't want them to be sexualized to the point it's distracting

[hollow pivot]

I don't want anyone to take this image away from me.

[raven brook]

Idrc about making them all vaguely feminine

[cloud ibex]

[raven brook]

i think its alot cooler if theyre more diverse personally

U can do alot with the idea of a "elemental" for a design

And there's other ways to tie them together as designs methinks

Nothing inherently wrong with it but i dont really care for the idea much

[hollow pivot]

Exactly. Turning them into a human but green is boring.

[raven brook]

Anahita is the one that makes the most sense because like

[eternal veldt]

I do like anahita's design already though

[raven brook]

That's her whole thing she's a Siren

Yeah anahita is the best elemental design ingame

shes good as is

[hollow pivot]

Yeah that one makes sense.

[cloud ibex]

Midra Brimmy……..

Midra Brimmy save me…..,,,

[eternal veldt]

Sand elemental is the one that doesn't make any sense

[languid badge]

sand elemental is also the one that cant really change that much because its still inherently based on the vanilla one

[raven brook]

Sand elemental is just like Fine

shes not really like

a amazing design or anything but shes fine

[eternal veldt]

Rip

[raven brook]

shes a vanilla terraria thing

unlike smth like brimmy yeah shes vaguely feminine but

[hollow pivot]

And Chaos Elemental is just a purple bald guy wearing some blue bands.

[raven brook]

not oversexualized or anything, and her design has some distinct monstruous aspects to it

[cosmic minnow]

I converted one into an rp server

[eternal veldt]

Theres chaos elemental?

[raven brook]

in vanilla she kinda stands out too

like no other elementals are shaped like Women she's the only one

[languid badge]

rod of discord shitters

[eternal veldt]

I never used the teleportation wand

Sooo

[hollow pivot]

Inverse Smurfs.

[eternal veldt]

Lol

[raven brook]

vanilla elementals are just alot more diverse

granite and ice elementals are just like floating rocks

[sinful adder]

none of the other elementals are minibosses though

[raven brook]

sand elemental is a banshee looking thing

chaos elemental is

a bald guy .

[sinful adder]

sand elemental is way stronger than the others

[hollow pivot]

Calamity should get a Marble Elemental to complete the Granite one lowk.

[sinful adder]

I imagine that the sand elemental is like a primary elemental and the other ones are lesser

[raven brook]

eh nah

[eternal veldt]

You should see brimmy's new design. No not the one that is barely covering anything. The one that looks transparent where you can see her skeleton. It looks gnarly as hell.

[raven brook]

marble and granite aesthethics are very different

yeah ive seen it

thats just for the accessory

not the actual boss design

[hollow pivot]

I don't think I've heard of that one.

[eternal veldt]

Damn sad

[raven brook]

marble's all about greek/roman stuff

[languid badge]

design wise I wonder if they went with a more feminine design specifically to contrast ice golem

[raven brook]

could b true

theyre p much counterparts

[hollow pivot]

Are golems just different elementals?

[raven brook]

ice/desert minibosses that spawn in their equivalent rain events

frost core forbidden fragments

etc

[raven brook]

idk this isnt about calamity lore its about vanilla design

[hollow pivot]

Surprised Calamity has no items that mix those afaIk.

[sinful adder]

I am so bad at anatomy

but like imagine the body sort of flows into the cloud

and add some angel wings surrounding it

[raven brook]

i have no idea if theres nay specifics for calamity golems but ia ssume theyre just like ur average fantasy golem

[eternal veldt]

Well maybe i can think of a design but i do like the biblical angel type look

[raven brook]

constructs animated by magic

[raw nest]

in the lore when we fight Calamitas, is it us challenging her? Or is it her challenging us?

[raven brook]

for wild golems they can be naturally formed due to strong concentrations of mana in specific areas or just

[eternal veldt]

She ambush us

[raven brook]

golems people made that have gone feral/wild

[raw nest]

Why she do it when we put the things in the alter

[raven brook]

the latter, she's ambushing us because she wants to stop us before we become just as bad as the main villain of the mod

[raw nest]

Lore reason not game reason

[eternal veldt]

I like the naturally occurring golems more

[eternal veldt]

Gameplay quality of life

[raven brook]

But as the fight progresses she realizes that she's acvting on impulse and stops

[sinful adder]

the summoning methods are mostly not canon

[raven brook]

✨ None✨

[eternal veldt]

Same goes for yharon

[sinful adder]

the rematches are also only canon for a few bosses

[raven brook]

Boss spawns generally aren't diagetic

[raw nest]

Sweet that’s why I still think the lyrics of stained brutal calamity can still be partially canon

[raven brook]

They can be partially interpreted as canon but some parts of them are really hard to do so

[raw nest]

Like yeah there’s some outdated things in the lyrics but the motives are mostly right

[raven brook]

Like some of the lyrics fit

some others really don't

[raw nest]

Ye

[hollow pivot]

Imagine if they make Calamitas like Eye of Cthulhu where she can just spawn randomly.

[raven brook]

In the future more bosses may get more immersive ways to spawn them that reflect the lore a bit better

[eternal veldt]

I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING

[raven brook]

Horrible

[eternal veldt]

This would be amazing as an addon

[long bloom]

no it'd still suck

[hollow pivot]

1/10,000 Chance for Calamitas Jumpscare post Yharon:

[eternal veldt]

Lmao

[raven brook]

Though easily accessible ways to spawn bosses will still be kept of course, they may just be different or otherwise alternatives to the more immersive spawn methods

[raw nest]

Nah obviously you’d get a warning first like

“You feel the air getting warmer around you”

And then she would spawn

[eternal veldt]

How they gonna do that for ambush

[raven brook]

:idk:

dont have specifics nobody does

[eternal veldt]

Just do this ngl

Best way out of all

[raven brook]

Nah it'd suck ass man ngl

[hollow pivot]

Instead of her just spawning on the altar they make it look like she's actually ambushing you.

[raw nest]

Imagine if after Yharon is defeated, Calamitas has a 1/3 chance spawning every night, and after your first encounter with her, then she drops the spawner regardless if you win or die

[raven brook]

Me when i'm trying to build and then a boss jumpscares me

[eternal veldt]

Not really since calamitas is beatable even when im not prepared (i never believed in preparing anyway) it's my geae and accessories and that's it

[raw nest]

Am I cookin or what

[raven brook]

It's just kinda annoying and not even particularly immersive

It's not really very good presentation

There'sw a uh

reason terrarai stopped doing those after the mechs

😭

[raven brook]

Not the point

[languid badge]

the conspicious deer thing

[raven brook]

Only spawns in snow biome during blizzards,

[hollow pivot]

Did the vanilla golems get new lore?

[raven brook]

alot easier to avoid

it dosen't just

airdrop a boss on you

fuck you

fight this worm

[eternal veldt]

Ngl are all calamity bosses just jumping the terrarian

[raven brook]

nah

[languid badge]

also if we wanna be technical the last time they dropped things on you was pirates/eclipse in 1.2

[hollow pivot]

A lot of them we canonically hunt down iIrc.

[eternal veldt]

With small exceptions but mostly no?

[eternal veldt]

Ic ic

[raven brook]

I can't think of many

[hollow pivot]

It really depends on if the Terrarian knows they're there in lore.

[raven brook]

actually yeah

i cant think of any

at all

cuz that fundamentally goes against the whole

yk

[eternal veldt]

Se we just get jumped LMAO

[raw nest]

Nah idc the random boss encounters terraria has is still one of the best features they decided to add to this day

10 yrs ago on the xbox 360 getting the messsage
“You feel vibrations from deep below”

Was one of the highlights of playing terraria for the first time 🙏

[eternal veldt]

Real

[robust osprey]

queen bee? I guess?

[raven brook]

hype moments and aura vs good writing

[eternal veldt]

People have different opinions about that mechanic i for one feel like it's immersive though they could do a lot better by having speciefics

[raw nest]

Yo the idea I proposed is good writing it’s accurate she ambushes you 👍

Fits both of your criteria’s I’m just so smart

[raven brook]

Well you can speak that up with the writers since they don't want that

[eternal veldt]

Addons

[raven brook]

You can do anything u want in addons

If you awnna add a poop golem u can man go for it

[hollow pivot]

I've honestly never minded bosses spawning randomly unless I plan to fight a boss or if I'm far from spawn that night.

[raw nest]

Yeah nah I’m mostly joking just putting out ideas though

[raven brook]

nobody gaf ur free to do whatever

[eternal veldt]

I like random encounters cuz im lazy with crafting

Lmao

[raven brook]

Having one of the strongest bosses in the entire mod spawn on you randomly like that would not only be i can't lie really underwhelming (calamity can 100% do much better with the presentation) but also just be annoying for anyone who reallyyy dosent want to do that rn

[hollow pivot]

They could make it that the further you are from spawn, the less likely a boss is to randomly spawn, so it doesn't kill explorers.

[raven brook]

We don't have to copy stuff from vanilla 1:1 guys

the shackles are broken we don't have to anymore

[real glen]

Lore accurate yharon:
He attacks you first

[raven brook]

if they add a more diagetic way for calamitas to ambush you they can make it actually cool and cinematic and not red text on your chatbox followed by her spawning after

[eternal veldt]

GIVE US CUTSCENES

LMAO

[raven brook]

Even Devourer's dialogue isn't on the chatbox anymore

[hollow pivot]

Do you go out of your way to get the Ravager? I think so. It pretty much just stays in a temple iIrc.

[eternal veldt]

Give us wrath of the gods type of cutscenes

[raven brook]

Idk we'll probably know when we get the rav rework

Thing dosen't really seem to have anything in mind but

ahem

[hollow pivot]

Do we think Calamity needs temples like that one for Providence in Infernum?

[raven brook]

ravaging, though

[eternal veldt]

Nahh

[raven brook]

I mean rav cathedral will be a thing

idk about providence

but rav will get one

[eternal veldt]

Provi attacks you

[raven brook]

i assume provi might also get some sort of biome or structure in the future but we dont have any confirmation on that

[hollow pivot]

Providence is supposed to have a massive cult following.

[cloud ibex]

Sinless wasteland biome

[raw nest]

Either way it’s still going to be annoying because for it to be immersive and cool, the player shouldn’t have to do anything for it to happen (besides beating Yharon ofc)

But then you run the issues of not wanting to fight a boss randomly, so if you do make the criteria for her to spawn somewhat effected by the player, it makes it less immersive

[raven brook]

Hey

[eternal veldt]

Please no more structures i need my ores and building places

[raven brook]

Martian Madness

you're welcome

[raven brook]

don't worry you have uh

80% of the map for that

[hollow pivot]

What if they make an extra large world size in calamity?

[raw nest]

Your a genius

[eternal veldt]

The heartland fighting hallow, astral, evil bioms and the jungle

[raven brook]

well for one all of those still have ores on them

for ,,, two?

[eternal veldt]

Goodluck finding the temple LMAO

[raven brook]

and for uh second

[cloud ibex]

They tried making the world bigger once

[hollow pivot]

Well most would be on Surface, Sky or Underworld for the most part.

[cloud ibex]

It ended up being Very unstable

[eternal veldt]

Man i wanna ride those ship blimps you see in the backgrounds sometimes to go to other continents

[raven brook]

There are plans for expanding the crags at some point if they can and i frankly have no idea how they'll do that

I suppose it'll just

eat up more of the underworld..?

[eternal veldt]

Probobly

[raven brook]

It's the only option i can think of

[cloud ibex]

90% of the underworld is just dead space anyway

[hollow pivot]

And then some Lesser gods and/or ones killed by Yharim would have small shrines in the underground.

[eternal veldt]

Shrines for the wall of flesh

[cloud ibex]

Like look at the map here and note how much of hell is Just ash and lava

[raven brook]

There are a few shrines in the mod that are probably meant to honor gods already for uh

[hollow pivot]

Maybe the Chi Shrine is actually for some god of Paitence or something like that. (Or the god of Chi)

[raven brook]

Well there's all the little shrine structures

[cloud ibex]

Nothing interesting, just ash and lava and some hellstone dotted around

[eternal veldt]

Ngl whenever i get to the underworld i just bomb 70% of it anyway

[raven brook]

it's slime god

[hollow pivot]

Onyx?

[raven brook]

It's built in the surface, has east-asian aesthethics and the chest has pink gel on it

[hollow pivot]

I forgot the Slime God was asian.

[raven brook]

dont think any of the other shrines have a confirmed god they're meant to honour or if they're even really for gods. its not necessarily true that all of them were built for the same purpose

[raven brook]

not slime god istelf

The Onyx Kinsmen have east-asian aesthethics

[cloud ibex]

Slime god is at a very Chinese point in their life

[raven brook]

Look at all of the statigel gear, the fact Statis is a ninja, bone lee, etc

this is also why they should give signus cool oni aesthethics and motifs

[eternal veldt]

Queen slime drops the shinobi

[hollow pivot]

Is Statigel gear going to be as strong as Statis' actual armor when it becomes Plantera level?

[raven brook]

Maybe

We dunno how strong Statis's gear is

[cloud ibex]

Probably not

[raven brook]

i feel like he'd be stronger though

In my head he's like

early post ml level

specially with the recent statis upscale in the bestiary

I feel like the Statigel gear would probabyl be more like

the average sort of gear that kinsmen ninjas and warriors had

[hollow pivot]

That sounds about right.

[hollow pivot]

Maybe you can fight him post-Signus?

[raven brook]

Won't be anymore bosses besides yharim

and the 2 post yharim glupshittos

[hollow pivot]

What?

[eternal veldt]

I wanna talk but i have no idea what these is

[raven brook]

they're not adding anymore bosses beyond those

[eternal veldt]

Superbosses lol

If. They did add them

Probably not though

[raven brook]

Statis will just be a npc, though

The phase 1 of isgnus may involve a possesed statis

From some stuff triangle said

so maybe that's kinda like a statis fight

[eternal veldt]

I have no clue who those are

[raven brook]

Calamity has too many damn bosses already 😭

[hollow pivot]

Noxus and Xeroc.

[eternal veldt]

We want more

[cloud ibex]

Potential Thing and Strongest Guy Alive, respectively

[hollow pivot]

I guess it's time to make an addon that adds fights with 1,500 gods and 1,500 dragons.

[raven brook]

The mod is trying to have Content insteado f being Bossrush Central

[eternal veldt]

Unironically i would download this

[raven brook]

If you want more bosses, add other mods

Calamity's direction is not going to in clude anymore bosses in the foreseeable future

[hollow pivot]

Maybe it lets you explore the Draconic Era and Mid-Crusade.

[raven brook]

the fabled time travel addon

[hollow pivot]

You play as god of Time or smth.

[raven brook]

at that point htat's not even addon t hats just a game

[eternal veldt]

Lol ngl though i think noxus would be added xeroc slim but a chance nonetheless 99.99% not going to be added but you can knly hope for the .01%

[hollow pivot]

Kinda like calling Calamity a Terraria addon.

[cloud ibex]

What are we, some kinda Re

[raven brook]

no i mean like having you play as the god of time

you dont need that part

thats just a game

[hollow pivot]

I honestly think Xeroc is more likely than Noxus.

[raven brook]

i'm pretty confident both are happening given recent developments from caldev

team is no longer under awful leadership, a bunch of new devs, everyones productive a d motivated it seems

[hollow pivot]

What's “Caldev”?

[hollow pivot]

Productive and demotivated?

[raven brook]

Cal
dev

Calamity
Developers/Development/Whatever

[raven brook]

Motivated

[hollow pivot]

Dev Statements. The Unchanging.

[raven brook]

the what ...

[cloud ibex]

Come on cheese I gave you a free opportunity to shill here and you didn’t take it

[real glen]

Fly broken wings

[shell sail]

quite ideal

anyway

[raven brook]

FUCK

[shell sail]

do you guys think supreme calamitias ever use brimstone fire to cook and end up burning the entire kitchen

[raven brook]

i didnt even register it man i was too zoned out. this is fucked up

[shell sail]

or the food

[raven brook]

probalby not

sorry to ruin the whimsy 😔

Brimstone magic kinda fucks up ur mental state

[cloud ibex]

You’ve gotten weak

[raven brook]

I doubt she'd wanna use that willy nilly

she knows other magic types after all im sure if she needed she could just like

use normal fire magic

[shell sail]

cook faster

[real glen]

Got damn you just melt the frying pan

[raven brook]

i like to think when she started living as a hermit she mightve needed to like light a campfire or something but she wasnt used to using fire magic in such a precise, delicate way

so she just like

burnt the entire wood down immediately

but over time she got better at it

[cloud ibex]

Still like the theory of her going around earning favors by making a tiny fire and watching random townspeople who have never seen magic before go “ ”

[raven brook]

its true

I also like to think she might just sell random shit she finds

Like she dosen't even know if it has any actual real value she just looks at something and feels "yeah this is probably worth money" and tries selling it on a nearby town with a trading center or something

sometimes she gets turned down when she finds out that was actually a completely worthless rock

I also think she prob alternates between resting at inns and just

setting up camp in the Wilds

depending on the circumstances

[cloud ibex]

Every time she wanders into town the people there go “how much do you wanna bet it’s some random fuckass piece of scrap metal again”

[raven brook]

I like to think she regularly travels between towns she can find and stays over on them for a little bit

To make sure everything's okay, help however she can

And then after a while

back to the Wilds, wandering around till she gets to the next one

the way i write her is like.

[cloud ibex]

The townspeople tried scamming her once by saying something she found was worthless when it wasn’t, but when she found out she went back to beat the shit out of the guy until he paid her and now they don’t try that anymore

[raven brook]

shes competent and capable and not really like a stinky girlfailure loser or anything. shes had to live all by herself and take care of her own shit aswell as helping others, after all

However she's also like really socially awkward and dosen't know how to flow conversations well. it's not really like anxiety or shyness as much as it's just being fucking Bad at it

what not actually interacting with people super regularly and not exactly having a good childhood for developing that sort of skill does to a mf

Like she can hold a conversation with someone and she can communicate well when she needs to

but sometimes she also

ideal calamitas to me is not girlfailure or manic girlboss but rather girltrying calamitas

[eternal veldt]

Like the terrarian LMAO

My inventory is lacking space you will take this rock whether you like it or not

[eternal veldt]

Ahh yes the almighty powerful being having more chances of being added than an edgy teen locked in his room

Adding xeroc is a terrible idea considering there is no way to properly incorporate his power scale unless we went the nameless deity route and do an "it was only a test random murder hobo, heres rewards to do even more murder"

[raven brook]

i mean yeah thats

literally the point

ur not gonna kill xeroc

havent u been told this b4

its not a fight ot deat

also the diff in strenght isnt as big as nameless deity

cuz hes nowehre near as strong as ND

and if,

nd works

as a boss fight

i dont see whjy xeroc can't

[eternal veldt]

As a test ND is probable im still thinking how we are going to actually put up a fight if it WAS a sparring like everyone said

It could very well just be a test though

[eternal veldt]

It's just that yk. Actually putting up a fight and giving xeroc a run for his money feels more satisfying than it was all a test. Even though it's not a fight to the death. Having that guy acknowledge your strengths feels way better.

[sinful adder]

Yeah that's how it's going to be

[wind kelp]

idk whats the point of a fight if you cant really win it

just dangling a cherry infront of the player

[sinful adder]

Well

You can win

You don't kill him, but you can defeat him

Sort of

[wind kelp]

the whole beating calamitas thing but not getting to kill her is dorky too

[sinful adder]

Nah I think it's good

[wind kelp]

well i dont think so but ur entitled to ur opinion

for now

[scenic olive]

defeating xeroc with the power of friendship

[wanton pendant]

You want to kill the homeless woman?

[split mortar]

You can kill her grab a flymeal you coward

[raven brook]

Not really several games have you fight a boss and not kill it

In fact the game your profile picture is from has fights like t hat

I really do not understand this idea in the slightest you still Won

you Won the Fight

[dusk laurel]

yeah thats getting taken away sorry i dont make the rules

[shell sail]

what is the astral virus?

[wanton pendant]

The Astral Infection forms in rotten stars.

It infects non-sapient life to facilitate its spread.

The one in-game infected Astrum Deus, causing it to hurl a rotten star at the planet.

[pulsar ocean]

does xeroc get wifi on the sun or wherever he lives

[wind kelp]

i suppose i dont want to kill the characters in silksong but i would like to kill calamitas im not fond of witches theyre unnatural. itd be neat to have the option, i dont think its a bad thing that she lives though im sure theres a plenty good reason for it 🤷‍♂️

[raven brook]

you can hit her with the flymeal alot

[wind kelp]

shes a witch

[raven brook]

though saying shes "unnatural" is kind of crazy

[cloud ibex]

It would be funny if dealing enough damage to her npc form makes the boss fight start

[pulsar ocean]

witches get burned at the stake

[wanton pendant]

Classist.

[wind kelp]

just respawns

[pulsar ocean]

well bosses respawn too if you resummon them

no one is really dead dead

[wind kelp]

well the satisfaction of killing her during the boss fight is still taken away if you just have to kill her as an npc

[cloud ibex]

Why is it such a need to kill her in the first place

[pulsar ocean]

witches get stitches

[wanton pendant]

You really want to murder a homeless woman, huh?

[raven brook]

shut up chuddychudchudding

[wanton pendant]

Perish.

[raven brook]

While i don't really agree with any reasons for killing calamitas i can understand where some people are ocming from with some reasonings but damn

unnatural definitely is

one of the reasons

of all time

[split mortar]

How did you come to the conclusion witches are unnatural in calamity and what does that even mean

[raven brook]

yeah i'm not like . upset or anything i'm just confused 😭

[wanton pendant]

You're aware that Calamity is a work of fiction, so the fact that witches aren't real isn't really applicable.

[raven brook]

u can want to kill the fictional cahracter if u want but like

unnatural???

[sinful adder]

Sounds like a brainwashed religious person

Doesn't care about details, just sees a title they've been taught to hate and wants to kill it

[raven brook]

no dude dont say that?

wtf

dont be randomly inflammatory for no reason

[wind kelp]

It appears to me that in this late hour of civilization, when the air itself is heavy with tolerance and the temples of morality have been converted into marketplaces of pity, there arises a curious spectacle: the rehabilitation of the witch. Once the figure upon whom society projected its fear of the untamed, its terror of the unassimilable, its trembling before the uncharted will.

Now she is garlanded. Now she is enthroned as symbol, as victim, as misunderstood oracle of some inverted virtue. And with her ascent there creeps in a subtler decadence; the softening of judgment, the suspicion toward strength, the slow corrosion of distinctions. For every age has its heresies, but only declining ages canonize them.

We are told that witch-hunting belongs among the barbarisms, the comic cruelties of a superstitious past. We are instructed to blush for our ancestors, to congratulate ourselves upon our enlightened mercy. But what if this reflexive shame is itself the newest superstition? What if the eagerness to absolve reveals not moral progress, but exhaustion, the fatigue of a culture no longer capable of drawing hard lines?

And yet, a paradox persists. The one hunted, the witch-huntee, as it were, may not be diseased at all. She may possess a keener mind, a sharper instinct, a constitution less compliant than the herd that condemns or, in our age, sentimentalizes her. The mob persecutes what it does not understand; the decadent society embraces what it does not dare to confront. Both are evasions. Both are symptoms.

You should be able to kill her forthright because the inability to do so is precisely the symptom of a society in decline.

[raven brook]

jesse what the fuck are you talking about

is this chatgpt

[wanton pendant]

What.

[sinful adder]

See? This is exactly what I mean

[raven brook]

maybe ben was right

[sinful adder]

A monster in human skin

[raven brook]

ok don't go that far

[split mortar]

What the fuck are you on about

[raven brook]

don't start dehumanizing people you just met even if they said some weird shit

[sinful adder]

No. I will. No tolerance for the intolerant

Or. Eugh. Fine

[wind kelp]

witches arent real ben

[raven brook]

Dude u dont even know this mf

theyre probably ragebaiting you

[sinful adder]

I know enough

[raven brook]

i think they generated this shit on chatgpt

[sinful adder]

Maybe. They're still a monster

[raven brook]

Stop saying that

[sinful adder]

:(

[raven brook]

U literally do not know this person and are making insane assumptions based on like 2 seconds of knowing them

Stop being so eager to find justification to b shitty to people

Anyways with that said

[raven brook]

What does any of this means

[wanton pendant]

They're English?

[raven brook]

Might be true

Dude if u write another gigantic chatgpt looking paragraph to explain what you meant im just gonna start ignoring every message you send and fish react you

[wind kelp]

i think the fact that we see witches more favorably than we used to in the past is in poor taste, and that the negative connotations of being a witch have basis behind them, to the degree that witch-hunting being looked on distastefully is without strong reasoning, and because of that you should be able to kill the witch

[split mortar]

Calamitas likely absorbed most of the brimstone elementals power
Which
Brimmy is basically the primordial representation of the worlds heat and fire
Very natural entity and scal didnt even intentionally absorb her

[raven brook]

do u know that ppl where burned for being "witches" for like

singing

for looking ugly

r u just ragebaiting rn i cant tell is this guy ragebaiting

[split mortar]

She is called a witch because its a cool title for a magic user 😭

[raven brook]

r u ragebaiting

[wind kelp]

well if we confuse witchhunting with every instance that was referred to as such we could be equally pedantic about anything i mean strictly in regards to actual witches

[raven brook]

dont ragebait thats mean

[wind kelp]

which is only fictional

[wanton pendant]

Those were murders to seize land and kill prisoners of war, John.

[sinful adder]

all witch hunting was evil

[split mortar]

And the supreme part is because she is really fuckin strong

[sinful adder]

There were no evil witches

[raven brook]

Dude Witch has no signel definition in fiction

[wanton pendant]

Witches aren't real, John.

[raven brook]

Fantasy Witches are Made Up Things

[wind kelp]

im not saying theyre real

[raven brook]

Every diff media that has witches will have different versions of it

[sinful adder]

The christians came to invade and decided to kill anyone they didn't like for any reason they wanted

[wanton pendant]

So you have no argument.

[wind kelp]

im aware im just saying id like the option to kill witches

[wind kelp]

im not arguing im just saying id like to kill the witch

[wanton pendant]

Classist.

[sinful adder]

This makes no sense

[raven brook]

I genuinely can't tell if you're insane or if this is the most insane ragebait ever

which are both some form of insane

[wheat walrus]

noooo dont kill the witch

[raven brook]

This is one of the most bizzare interactions i've had on this chat ever

[wind kelp]

it cant be insane to want to kill calamitas or witches in general thats all im trying to say

[split mortar]

I dont see how its bad taste to not be able to kill a witch when witches was lile just a thing used to legally kill people n stuff
And witch again is just used here cause cool magic user title

[wanton pendant]

It's classist.

[raven brook]

In real life Witchhunting was just straight up Evil
In media Witch can mean Anything

So like

[wheat walrus]

this one makes a stuffed bird laugh

[raven brook]

What the Fuck Are you Saying

[wanton pendant]

They hate seeing an entrepreneur.

[wheat walrus]

also cheese y are you cal overhaul 2

[raven brook]

i'm overhauling it

[wheat walrus]

punches you

[raven brook]

cant

overhauls you

[wheat walrus]

na

lands a black flash on you

overhauls my cursed energy

[wind kelp]

witches arent a social class

[wheat walrus]

✌️

[wheat walrus]

they are now

i said so

[wind kelp]

bleh

[wanton pendant]

Are they not?

[wind kelp]

ah yes the middle class, upper class, and the witches

[raven brook]

They can be depending on the media

Cuz witches can be anything

Cuz theyre made up

[wheat walrus]

well

[raven brook]

If ur not talking about witches in real life and thus fantasy witches they can be anything

[wanton pendant]

Are you one of those weirdos who assume anything called a demon MUST be biblical demons?

[wheat walrus]

witches irl were usually poor women

[raven brook]

And u specified ur not talking about real life "witches"

[raven brook]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

Or a woman in the military!

[wheat walrus]

ya

[raven brook]

They specified they weren't talking abt this

[split mortar]

Bruh can my pc stop bluescreening when i enter my cal world

[wheat walrus]

oki

[wheat walrus]

greenscreens you

[wind kelp]

redscreens

[wanton pendant]

Or poor landholders (often women).

[raven brook]

Like look man if u just like killing witches the same way i like punting goblins thats fine u dont need a super complex reason for it

[split mortar]

I had a orange screen once i think?? Or was that my brother idr

[raven brook]

its just funny

and thats ok

its funny to punt goblins

[raven brook]

in ur attempt to give it some sort of complex moral reasoning ur just making absolutely no sense

its ok to just want to punt fictional things for fun

[wheat walrus]

punts cheese

[wanton pendant]

Punts Cheese.

[split mortar]

Punts cheese

[wheat walrus]

we ALL punting cheese 🤟

[sinful adder]

If it's that simple then yeah you're really making yourself look evil by trying to justify it morally

If that's all it was then sorry for overreacting

[raven brook]

yay

[split mortar]

Punts Calamity Overhaul 2

[wanton pendant]

Goku!

[wind kelp]

given that her right eye is in freefall and weighs about 0.5kg, and is connected via perfectly horizontal string to her other eye which is also in freefall, calculate the amount which tension is acting against gravity in the system

[wheat walrus]

cat teto powerscaling here we are ✌️

[wind kelp]

well u have 3 minutes hurry

[sinful adder]

Hey lorers did you know tmod is hella broken on Linux or maybe AMD graphics. I looked everywhere to try and fix it but couldn't

[wheat walrus]

thou shan't have thy answers

[wind kelp]

dinasors soo cool u get full points

[wheat walrus]

that's a dragon

[wind kelp]

no i know i just

mistyped

[sinful adder]

0 because both eyes are in freefall

[wheat walrus]

since when do dinasors have 6 limbs

[wind kelp]

do the wings count as limbs because i only see 4 legs arms thingies

[wheat walrus]

yes

[cloud ibex]

Yes

[wheat walrus]

wings are limbs

[wind kelp]

what aobut

in insects

[wheat walrus]

insect limbs are weird

[cloud ibex]

Not too sure on that one actually

[wind kelp]

bees are cute but i dont like being near them theyre kind of scary

[wind kelp]

insects are weird in GENERAL

[sinful adder]

Insects wings are also limbs

If I remember correctly

Ok so insects are indeed weird

Insects have up to 6 legs and 4 wings.

Beetles evolved their upper wings into an extra shell layer to cover the wings

Other insects just lost some of their wings

[pulsar ocean]

Yap yap yap

[icy veldt]

Even for the one particular witch that's relevant here, complex moral reasoning could still work if it's something like "She tried to kill me before, and while she might've failed the first time, the only way to guarantee she won't succeed the next time is if she's dead" or "All of Yharim's former servants must be held accountable, no matter what excuses they might dredge up" (though the latter would also target Permafrost as well)

[spare pier]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WITCH HUNTING IS LOOKED ON DISTASTEFULLY WITHOUT STRONG REASONING

WOMEN WERE BURNT ALIVE BECAUSE THEY KNEW HOW TO DO MATH

OF COURSE IT'S LOOKED DOWN UPON, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A BUNCH OF ZEALOTS TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN GOING AGAINST THE ESTABLISHED ORDER

[wanton pendant]

Or because they were good at leading, or they held land that was coveted, or someone didn't like them...

[raven brook]

Apparently they specified they meant not Real witches

which like

Just makes it more confuisng 😭

[wanton pendant]

Don't exist.

[raven brook]

genuinely incomprehensible scenario

[eager bluff]

witch is a title not a predefined category

[raven brook]

I'm convinced this is just some insane bait

that mayt or may not have been assisted by chatgpt

[spare pier]

THAT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE

[raven brook]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

I said before this is the most bizzare thing ive experienced in this chat in a long time

Atleast if they were just being shitty and saying irl witchhunts had no strong support against them then like. well ok ur just a awful person then

but no its not even that

its just . what. this is confusing

i'm perplexed

this vexes me

https://tenor.com/view/koffa-house-md-gregory-house-house-eric-foreman-gif-3254275732664605731

[spare pier]

But ok, even disregarding the fact that witches are just a title for specific mages in Calamity

[raven brook]

I should move on from this at this point but it's so fucking perplexing that i can't

[spare pier]

And considering that all of them practice and have committed ontologically evil things

I think the idea that you can't forgive someone or allow them a new start when they very clearly want to is just really shitty

Which is what this person is actually saying

[raven brook]

I have no idea what the intent behind these messages are because that wall of text feels so deeply ai generated

I don't even know if they actually mean anything they're saying because any attempts they've done at explaining their point just sounded equally as fake

[spare pier]

Their point is "Calamitas is evil and the story is showcasing something which I do not agree with because I think that there's a hard line that she crossed"

[raven brook]

I'm gonna be honest from what i remember this person knows nothing about calamity lore

Like i remember them being in chat a while ago and they said they literally know nothing about it

Laura i'm telling you this is so deeply confusing laura i Don't Get It

This sin't even about calamitas specifically as a character it's about just

witches

in general

not real "witches"

like

fictional witches

which

every single different media has a different definition of

help

[spare pier]

Which like, sure I guess that's fair, but when this person was a child who was manipulated into doing what she did, it's just absurdly unfair to not even allow her a chance at being a better person

[raven brook]

I disagree with basically every reasoning for why Calamitas deserves to be killed

But i can atleast

understand

where they're coming from

I can't. understand this

[raven brook]

Like even these

do i agree with these? no, i don't

but i can atleast Understand where they're Coming from

[raven brook]

WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM. I DONT UNDERSTAND.L WHAT DO THESE WORDS MEAN.

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

Look i'm not even trying to be like

mad at this person. or rahhh i hate you

i am genuinely just fucking flabbergasted

this isn't even ragebaiting at this point this is ?????????????baiting

[spare pier]

.

It's this

[raven brook]

Laura as i said before i don't think this person knows actually fucking anything about calamity lore

I don't think that's it

[feral skiff]

what the fuck is this??? i’m crying 😭

[spare pier]

No, that's it

Like

Their point is

[raven brook]

And also because they were reffering to Witches as a whole

Not Calamitas

just

the concept of Witches

is

"unnatural"

They wanted to kill Calamitas not because she's Calamitas

but because she's a witch and witches are unnatural

and when i asked for wtf that meant they said allat

[spare pier]

"Calamitas is ontologically evil and mindless forgiveness is just as bad as mindless prosecution"

[vocal kestrel]

I mean I kinda understand their point

[raven brook]

what do you mean. why are witches unnatural. what about the overarching concept of a Witch is unnatural. what are you talking about. you're not even specifically reffering to calamitas you are specifically describing a disdain for Witches as a whole (specifically Fantasy witches ???? )

[wanton pendant]

What point?

[spare pier]

I mean I guess but this is about the worst example they could ever possibly use for this

[raven brook]

I feel like i'm a egyptologist dsicovering ancient hieroglyphs and being utterly obsessed with them as i try to decipher their meaning

[split mortar]

😭

[spare pier]

Yes, mindless forgiveness is bad, but they aren't saying this on a case-by-case scenario

[wanton pendant]

This is also how it feels to look at the Reddit. Such fascinating creatures.

[spare pier]

If you're using witches as an example, you're saying that there are things which are 100% unforgivable and you can never recover from and your only option is death

Which like, I guess you can put some things there

[vocal kestrel]

lol you cannot forgive calamitas in lore Idc if she was manipulated as a child she is a harbinger of genocide and a necromancer

[raven brook]

I get what they're saying but i also don't get why they're saying it and how this is relevant to anything and What

[spare pier]

Ok cool that's not the fucking topic

[wanton pendant]

That was not one of the points made.

[raven brook]

you cannot forgive calamitas in lore

yeah you can

your choice if you dont wanna tho

[eager bluff]

necromancy is not a measure of good and evil

[wanton pendant]

The point was that she should die for being a witch.

[raven brook]

Anyways

[vocal kestrel]

defiling of souls is pretty evil lol

[split mortar]

But you can tho

[wanton pendant]

That was the only leveraged argument.

[vocal kestrel]

and exhument

[spare pier]

But also why witches.

[raven brook]

WHY WITCHES

laural ook into my eyes laura why are they unnatural

[vocal kestrel]

anyways, witches are also pretty evil

[raven brook]

why are witches unnatural

why WITCHES. specifically

not like

mages

[wanton pendant]

Are you the guy's alt?

[raven brook]

wizards

[split mortar]

How is that evil we dont even know what exhuming items do

[spare pier]

OH MY FUCKING GOD

HOW

HOW ARE WITCHES ONTOLOGICALLY EVIL???????

[raven brook]

Every single different media with a Witch on it

[split mortar]

Is dylanguy johngames alt or smth 😭

[raven brook]

HAs a different definition for what a Witch is