lore-discussion

[chilly plinth]

why not?

[long bloom]

🔼 🔼 🔼 🔼 🔼

[spare pier]

Because you don't fucking retaliate genocide with genocide

[eager bluff]

thats why

[spare pier]

😭

[leaden bridge]

if i kill your entire family that doesnt really mean itd be morally right for yout o go aand kill mine

[eager bluff]

retaliating genocide with genocide doesnt get you anything but a second genocide

[hollow pivot]

Where is Draedon? Is he a hive-mind across a database of clones of him (Like the one in his fight)? Or is Draedon just hiding in one body, if so, do we know where?

[chilly plinth]

nah guys

[wanton pendant]

By that logic, we should just nuke Germany.

[long bloom]

the world isn't exactly in a good state after the crusade, if you haven't noticed

[wanton pendant]

He's an AI.

[chilly plinth]

yall kinda weird for it

[wanton pendant]

If you break the drone he's fine.

[chilly plinth]

its not the best choice,but a justified one

[wanton pendant]

If you break every drone, backup, and computer running him, he dies.

[leaden bridge]

thats not what the word justified means

[wanton pendant]

Good luck.

[wanton pendant]

Not at all.

[long bloom]

one of the writers is telling you it's not justified 😭 😭 😭

[patent sky]

Im just glad we got Draedon and not AM

[eager bluff]

he justified it to himself
that does not mean it is actually justified

[chilly plinth]

well,in my perspection it is

[wanton pendant]

Never be allowed to own firearms.

[leaden bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-desert-speed-idiot-mario-bros-wii-gif-4579521032062283911

you know which one this is

[chilly plinth]

i am lol?

[wanton pendant]

Immensely concerning.

[chilly plinth]

u do understand that its up to my interpretation what is justified and what is not right?

[long bloom]

your interpretation sucks ass

[wanton pendant]

You're literally defending genocide.

Like, not even a joke that's what you're doing.

[leaden bridge]

we guess in the most literal of senses each person does decide what is good under their own moral compasses but you're just dumb

[eager bluff]

my justification of killing someone for stealing my drink can make perfect sense to me but that doesnt mean its a justified action

[chilly plinth]

and yall are doing the same by defending gods???

[long bloom]

NO WE ARE NOT 😭

[spare pier]

Ok like tone down a little

The point isn't that the gods are right

[wanton pendant]

No.

[spare pier]

It's that Yharon isn't either

[chilly plinth]

okay,i totally agree with bot of ur statements

but wth was he suppposed to do?

[wanton pendant]

NOT DO A GENOCIDE!?

[spare pier]

Not commit a genocide?

[leaden bridge]

we could go down a very long chain of word definitions but the point is that it is neither good or legitimate to perpetrate violence as an answer to violence because that does not solve anything

[patent sky]

Ts lowkey frying me

Bro is not getting the point

[chilly plinth]

like yeah im going to die cuz some dumbahh wants to become a god

[wanton pendant]

For reference, if you were at the negotiation table at the end of World War 2, would you say they should kill everyone in Germany, Italy and Japan?

[spare pier]

Like if I punch you in the face and then you go away, and then we meet again a month later

Is it right to punch me in the face again because I did that to you a month ago?

[eager bluff]

it is understandable why he is pissed at gods it is understandable that he is angry but it is not acceptable that his choice of recourse is a second genocide

[spare pier]

Or should you just... not do that and be the better person?

[leaden bridge]

you die anyways lol

[long bloom]

second astronomically worse genocide

[chilly plinth]

thats...a good question,no obv,some of them were forced to do things,but the only one forced here is yharim,and we see how it ended

[wanton pendant]

So you don't agree with Yharon.

[leaden bridge]

itd have been absurdly easy for yharim to kill like the really bad ones and leave it at that and not you know grand scale ecocide

[chilly plinth]

u havent answered my question

[wanton pendant]

Who, along with Yharim, would have ordered their deaths without so much as a second thought.

[chilly plinth]

not really,but i kinda dont see what he was supposed to do

[leaden bridge]

he could have simply like you know only killed a couple gods

[patent sky]

Supporting a second genocide is spiritually israeli of you

[wanton pendant]

Literally anything else.

[spare pier]

Not That

He can still just live

Yharim saved him

[chilly plinth]

no???

[leaden bridge]

and not 300 million people over the span of a hundred years of systematically targeting every god and person who believed in them

[spare pier]

And the first thing he does is

[wanton pendant]

He's immortal.

[long bloom]

...yes

[spare pier]

"Hey man let's fucking kill all of them!"

[wanton pendant]

He'll live to watch them all crumble to dust, AND BLOW AWAY!

[patent sky]

Dude, lets kill the horse

[leaden bridge]

itd have been very easy for yharon as the last dragon to survive indefinitely under the protection of yharim and the aerie after dogma and his cult died which was probably very soon after the whole cast into lava thing

[chilly plinth]

he almost died cuz people are trying to become gods,his kin is extinct because of them,he should have just be like yeah guys its fine,im gonna sit here and watch?

[leaden bridge]

yeah

[eager bluff]

i mean

[long bloom]

yes.

[spare pier]

Yeah?

[eager bluff]

that is fully what yharim expects people to do

[leaden bridge]

thatd have been more moral of him yes

[wanton pendant]

And so he kills millions of unrelated people?
Is that justice?

[long bloom]

the past is the past

[eager bluff]

thats fully what yharon expects people to do

[long bloom]

killing gods isn't gonna bring the dragons back

[patent sky]

He shouldve lived morally to honor his kin’s legacy

Instead it was tainted

[eager bluff]

they expect people to roll over and watch as they kill everybody that believes in the gods

[chilly plinth]

no? but doing what people here expected hiw to do is weird to?

[leaden bridge]

lot of stories out there about how the pursuit of revenge is pointless and deeply hollow and you are better of moving on

no its not weird at all

[wanton pendant]

If someone tried to kill me, would it be fair if I killed them, their family, every single friend they ever had, and anyone who had a positive opinion of them?

[young socket]

how... wild

[chilly plinth]

like bruh,they sacrificed a lot to protect everyone,and what they got is getting killed for their power

[chilly plinth]

no? kill him?

[long bloom]

this is what yharim did ^

[eager bluff]

was it for everyone? or was it for themselves

[wanton pendant]

Yharim disagrees.

[spare pier]

And so does Yharon

[long scaffold]

Were there more good gods than bad?
I can think of 3 good but only one bad

[patent sky]

Yharon just wants some chicken seed bro

[wanton pendant]

We know barely any of the gods.

[eager bluff]

if yharon ever thought yharim was going too far he never made that known

[chilly plinth]

so like people died in ww2 because they wanted to proptect themselves?

[leaden bridge]

we think itd be fun if the dragons did induce the whole auric soul going into them thing and that that isnt at all the natural way the world soul works but thats not relevant

[wanton pendant]

Probably good: Xeroc.
Bad: Providence, Dogma, War.
Good: Otonilou, Agnus, Tyrian.
Unkown: Shakidou.

[raven brook]

Hi lore discussion is someone saying yharim was the good guy again

[young socket]

yea

[spare pier]

Hi Woman3

[wanton pendant]

Worse, genocide justification.

[spare pier]

Yes Woman3

[manic bluff]

yeah

[raven brook]

Happens

[chilly plinth]

the process of becoming a god is kinda bd from yharons perspective no?

[spare pier]

Yeah

[leaden bridge]

that doesnt mean he gets to kill people

[spare pier]

Again, no one here is arguing that what gods did was right

[raven brook]

Yharon's perspective is not objective and all-knowing

[long bloom]

yes, but that doesn't make every god a bad person

[raven brook]

Some gods absolutely were in the #wrong

but not all of them were

[eager bluff]

his course of action was still to kill everybody within a hundred mile radius

[raven brook]

Not to mention

[chilly plinth]

it kinda does? they literally threaten him

[raven brook]

Yharim didn't just kill gods

[spare pier]

What we're saying is that Yharon choosing to commit fucking genocide was about the worst thing he could've chosen to do

[long bloom]

nuance

[long scaffold]

No one tells the truth in Cal but didn’t one of the Prov lore things say a dragon destroyed their town

[hollow pivot]

Is Dogma really bad for wanting Yharim to absorb the soul of an evil dragon?

[patent sky]

Lunatic cultist should be able to reach through the screen and strangle one player a week

[leaden bridge]

you dont kill three hundred million people in self defense

[hollow pivot]

Or did Yharon only turn evil when he was given a chance to with Yharim?

[raven brook]

He killed however many innocents it needed if it meant he got to kill even just one god

[wanton pendant]

For evil reasons.

[raven brook]

Even if said god was a benevolent one

There is nuance to most situations

Yharim and Yharon are incapable of seeing that

And view everything as black and white

dragons good, gods bad

[patent sky]

Lowkey this Yharon guy is a bad guy

[spare pier]

And again, they'll literally burn an entire country to kill a single god

[long bloom]

again
skeletron prime was explicitly designed to burn civilians alive

[chilly plinth]

okay,i need to make one thing clear,what yharon did is evil,it was evil as an answer for evil,wipeout for wipeout i guess,is it wrong? yes,but i can see why he did what he did

[long bloom]

this is an actual war crime

[leaden bridge]

like it is just hard to conceptualize how many people yharim and yharon ended up killing directly or indirectly during their hundred year long war but you literally do not do that on self defense

[hollow pivot]

Yharim is a hyper-pragmatist and hyper-discriminator.
He's willing to kill half the population simply to kill all the gods he doesn't like.

[patent sky]

But like this Yharim guy seems like an evil version of the terrarian

[spare pier]

Well, yeah

That's a given

Everyone has their reasons for anything

[long bloom]

of course we can see why he did it

that doesn't make it good

[raven brook]

That's kind of the point

What Yharon did is evil

[hollow pivot]

Good reason won't justify evil actions.

[spare pier]

The fact is that, no matter how good the reason is

[raven brook]

ddosen't mean you can't understand it

It dosen't justify it

It explains it

[spare pier]

It doesn't justify what he did

[raven brook]

That goes for, Yharim too

[eager bluff]

yharon and yharim never looked at what the gods did after ascending, or before, or even how they went about ascending
they looked at the fact that they ascended, and used that as justification to judge them and everything surrounding them as morally corrupt and evil and deserving of death

[wanton pendant]

From where we are in the Jungle, he seems like a Tyrant...
Jungle Tyrant? I think I like that name...

[raven brook]

This ^

A god could've been

[long bloom]

read this very good

[spare pier]

Yharon can have as tragic of a sob story as he wants, nothing will justify genocide

[chilly plinth]

yes,but it doesnt make me think that gods are good,cuz almost all of em killed to become what they are

[raven brook]

You cannot define all gods as bad and evil

That is the point of the story

[wanton pendant]

Nobody said 'all gods are good', we've been saying the opposite.

[raven brook]

They were all different people

[eager bluff]

a good person can do bad things

[raven brook]

With different goals, different ideals

[wanton pendant]

Not all gods are good, nor are they all evil.

[raven brook]

With different circumstances to how they ascended

[long bloom]

providence is evil as fuck
this does not mean all gods are evil

[chilly plinth]

oh fck off,its a trolley problem all over again

[patent sky]

Nuance? This is calamity lore discussion

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

Not all dragons were good guys

[leaden bridge]

what the fuck is a metaphor

[eager bluff]

no you are simply refusing to see nuance

[wanton pendant]

Please let us have nuance for once.

[raven brook]

And not all gods murdered dragons to get their souls

Some could've gotten it from dragons who were willing

[patent sky]

Yeah dragons like capture princesses and hold them hostsge

[long bloom]

see: zaelithar
literally banished to the underworld for being a menace to society

[raven brook]

Who saw that they could no longer protect thew orld as they once did,

And saw in them a possible successor

[manic bluff]

the dragon of death(?) willingly gave up their auric soul right

[hollow pivot]

It's suprising how little people in Calamity are deserving of 5-INF years in prison, pretty much all are either death or innocent.

[patent sky]

And like breathe fire on villages

Like that smaug guy

[long bloom]

yeah

[raven brook]

It is not an "evil answer to evil"

because Yharon and Yharim are individuals

they are evil

but that does not mean that Humans or Dragons are evil because Yharim is a human and Yharon is a dragon

[chilly plinth]

bruh what nuance? they killed a dragon,they already are bad,or are you implying that if they do good then thats justified?

[long bloom]

N U A N C E

😭

[wanton pendant]

We don't know?
Probably, since Agnus was a nice chap.

[hollow pivot]

Some of the dragons are just evil.

[chilly plinth]

WHAT NUANCE?

[wanton pendant]

Prove they killed the dragon in every instance.

[eager bluff]

would you consider a person that kills an animal for any reason a bad person

[patent sky]

Do you eat meat?

[raven brook]

There is

s omuch nuance

That we are actively explaining

[chilly plinth]

and some gods are too?

[spare pier]

And some dragons outright just gave their souls to humans

[raven brook]

Yeah that's

The point

[wanton pendant]

YES, THAT IS WHAT NUANCE IS!

[raven brook]

Dude.

[eager bluff]

yes we have actively said that

this is called nuance

[long bloom]

some dragons were evil
some dragons gave up their souls willingly
some gods killed a dragon but were still good people

[light linden]

laura

[chilly plinth]

ofc?

[eager bluff]

not every god is good not every god is evil

[patent sky]

Are you evil?

[wanton pendant]

That kills something.

[chilly plinth]

kinda\

[raven brook]

Not comparable

Dragons are sapient beings

[wanton pendant]

Should we kill you then?

[raven brook]

Cows are not sapient beings

[patent sky]

lmao

[hollow pivot]

Nobody said there are only innocent gods; it is nuanced. Are you ragebaiting or did you not read this message? #lore-discussion message

[chilly plinth]

that what i wanted to say

[raven brook]

Anyways

Some of you guys

are terrible at explaining things

But i've gotten used to that

[spare pier]

^

[raven brook]

This Delirious guy is also actively ignoring explanation so

[light linden]

laura

[patent sky]

Im not being serious lmao

[spare pier]

What's up?

[raven brook]

Not all Gods are evil, neither are all Dragons

The same goes in reverse, not all Gods are good, neither are all Dragons

[light linden]

does this splendid creature have any lore?

[raven brook]

These are groups of individuals each with their own goals and ideals

[spare pier]

Read the Bestiary

[chilly plinth]

yeah,but yall are acting up as yharon just randomly decided to do genocide for funsies

[wanton pendant]

It's obviously Calamity Buddha.

[light linden]

does it have more lore?

[raven brook]

No, he had a reason for it

But the reason does not justify it

[spare pier]

No

[raven brook]

This has been said multiple times

[chilly plinth]

true

[light linden]

[wanton pendant]

He had a reason. A terrible, stupid reason. As is all reason for genocide.

[light linden]

jokes aside

[raven brook]

You are actively ignoring everything that has been said, this is why people are saying you're being ignorant

[spare pier]

They're just silly little guys

[patent sky]

Are there any gods who just randomly ascended for being a chill guy?

[wanton pendant]

The God of Relaxation, from the Dragon of Couches.

[patent sky]

Whoa

[spare pier]

Other way around

[chilly plinth]

so...a lot of gods had terrible and stupid reasons?

[light linden]

I do wonder if there's gonna be a glowing mushroom variant and/or terrarium for em

[eager bluff]

its actively one of the first things said in the convo even

[raven brook]

Dude

[hollow pivot]

I mean, I think some Dragons probably donated their souls.

[wanton pendant]

Name a god that isn't Providence who attempts genocide.

[raven brook]

Why do you keep missing the point entirely

Nobody is saying

[light linden]

I especially want the latter

[raven brook]

All of the gods are good guys!

Gods ontop! 100% good all of them!

The point is

[light linden]

I wanna have one in my base without well

[raven brook]

that they are not evil either

[young socket]

in the eyes of an individual god, they committed murder, not genocide, because it wasnt an organised effort

[light linden]

it killing itself every frame

[raven brook]

Because you can't define a entire group of unaffiliated individuals as one or the other

[patent sky]

You think the buddha exists in the lore?

[raven brook]

Judge them individually for their actiosn

Not because they're a God

[dusk laurel]

#suggestions-discussion message

[spare pier]

You're missing the part where gods were all individual people doing this instead of an organized military with the express purpose of killing all gods and their followers

[young socket]

its only called a genocide because that is what it appears like to those who view it in a black and white view

a more apt description would be extinction

[light linden]

ik it has one but I hope it happens

[raven brook]

Gods weren't actively working together with eachother

There was no

God civilization that was unoified by a single cause or leader

They were all independent for the most part

Each with their own morals and goals

[dusk laurel]

they literally put a animated sprite in there like 😭

[raven brook]

Sure, some Gods had alliances with others

[long bloom]

the goal was never to kill all dragons

[light linden]

...wonder if will spawn during the rift eclipse

[spare pier]

The goal was whatever the fuck the god wanted

[hollow pivot]

Well, Dogma and War did to get Yharon so that's an organized hunt for a dragon.
And I think Tyrian sometimes helped Ontinilu with the Sunken Sea.

[eager bluff]

even when gods did work together it was very limited

[raven brook]

Illmeris had two rather benevolent gods working together for the prosperity of the kingdom

Dogma had a god-council that was rather dictatorial and ahd the goal of political control

But these are just

Groups of a few gods

Not a unified empire of Every God

[abstract hedge]

Not really a hunt, moreso they just wanted him in particular to be a god king (they already had the egg). Otonilou and Tyrian were both benevolent though so whatever.

[eager bluff]

and most of them still had their own individual goals

[spare pier]

Providence killed a dragon because she believed that they failed protecting the planet, and wanted to take matters into her own hands

[light linden]

and then went into omnicide

[abstract hedge]

A lot of gods are/were evil, but a lot are/were good as well.

[spare pier]

Now imagine what the other 3000 something gods wanted when they too claimed a soul?

[light linden]

who knows what the last one will be

[long bloom]

and the dragon just so happened to be the probable second most evil one

unrelated but funny

[hollow pivot]

I will say, the dragons who banished the Dragon of Flame did literally let a murderer go free and just said “Ayo we give you this massive part of the world, just don't come back.”

[hollow pivot]

Is Yharon the most evil Dragon?

[long bloom]

if you kill him he'd just revive in the aerie

[long bloom]

undoubtedly

[wanton pendant]

Do you want to try and kill the Dragon of Flame? Clearly the dragons didn't want to go near such a thing.

[eager bluff]

thats partially because the dragons were usually not in it for the good of everything

[spare pier]

Wow, I wonder if that alludes to a disregard for other lifeforms in Terraria

[raven brook]

Some would've ultimately had selfish motives, while others had good, selfless reasons for doing it.

Some may have killed a dragon just for more power, while others may have slain destructive, malicious dragons that wrought havoc

And even in a case where a good dragon was slain, there could be nuance: What if it was out of desperation? What if the mortal saw in ascencion the only way to save their community or to make a impact for the better?

[wanton pendant]

Did nobody brief Yharon on the guy?

[hollow pivot]

So if it's difficult to bring someone to justice you simply shouldn't try?

[raven brook]

Dragon society as a whole to me very much reads like lawful neutral

[wanton pendant]

I'm criticizing the dragons here.

[chilly plinth]

okay,jokes aside,killing can be justified?

[raven brook]

Some of them individually were definitely straight up good

look at Vetrasyl

[abstract hedge]

We don't know the moralities of many other dragons, but the dragon of flame was probably worse. As genocidal and awful Yharon is, their motive is understandable. The dragon of flame we don't really know anything except that they very much were evil.

[raven brook]

Yeah

[eager bluff]

killing can be
genocide cannot be

[raven brook]

If you kill a mass murderer that killed your family and children i think it's pretty justified

[chilly plinth]

os so u are pro death penalty

[wanton pendant]

Compared to Providence, a saint.

[hollow pivot]

I think Yharon was simply more coordinated.

[eager bluff]

thank you mr bad faith misinterpreter

[long bloom]

committing genocide is worse than just being a massive dickhead i think

[spare pier]

Killing being justified doesn't mean it being a good option for anything

[wanton pendant]

You were pro-genocide earlier.

[young socket]

replace twitter with discord

[hollow pivot]

Yharon was Lawful Evil after Fovos, Flame Dragon was Chaotic Evil, always.

[chilly plinth]

well,no? its geniunely what they said,mass murderer whould be killed for the life of others

[abstract hedge]

Depends on what they actually did that makes them evil, we don't really know anything aside from them being evil and a menace.

[raven brook]

Y'know

[normal mantle]

Couldn’t yharon just deny it revival?

[raven brook]

as a moderator, this is bad to say

However

[wanton pendant]

And you were saying their family and friends should go too.

[long bloom]

:idk:

[raven brook]

Damn dude

[patent sky]

I dont like you

[raven brook]

You're kinda pathethic

[normal mantle]

Actually no that wasn’t really an option if a dragon wasn’t revived its domain would kinda disappear

[spare pier]

It's over Cheese got mad

[normal mantle]

No fire for terraria

[spring helm]

yo i actually almost got baited into stating my opinion over the death penalty in a freaking calamity mod channel

[dusk laurel]

oh god

[spring helm]

that's mad

[long bloom]

oh true

[hollow pivot]

Since when?

[raven brook]

Nah i'm not mad right now i'm just in disbelief

[abstract hedge]

Evil gods: Providence, the god of war, and the god of dogma
Neutral: Slime god(?)
Good: Agnus, Silva, Xeroc, Otonilou, Tyrian

[spare pier]

Ok so just to make it clear

[hollow pivot]

Death didn't disappear when the Death Dragon did.

[spare pier]

If a domain is lost that doesn't mean the entire fucking thing is gone

[wanton pendant]

Damn I forgot Slime God when I listed them earlier.

[long bloom]

xeroc is firmly neutral imo

[eager bluff]

because agnus ascended

[raven brook]

Really trying to bait people with inflamattory statements over a discussion in regards to Calamity Mod Lore 😭 😭

[long bloom]

good 2 know

[eager bluff]

but yes the domain isnt what creates the thing

[patent sky]

Is there a god thats like how chainsaw man is

[spare pier]

If Light was lost back then when Zeratros got fucked by Moon Lord, the sun wouldn't just fucking didappear

[patent sky]

Or dragon

[normal mantle]

Implied with xeratros almost dying, says his power would’ve been lost forever bc yharon wasn’t available to perform the ritual

[patent sky]

Or anything

[abstract hedge]

Not the actual concept, moresoe the piece of the world soul and the auric soul.

[patent sky]

With like how if he eats them they’re erased

[wanton pendant]

Do you think they knew that at the time?

[eager bluff]

it would be more accurate if something like an elemental died

[spare pier]

But the fact is that losing an auric soul would be losing a whole ass domain to control, and each and every single one of them is absurdly valuable

[hollow pivot]

His power, it didn't say “The sun is leaking”.

[young socket]

considering there was probably other victims

yea

[normal mantle]

I’m pretty sure its power would go? The primordial light fights the darkness that’s clearly evil. So the sun theoretically wouldn’t scare away night monsters

[young socket]

like mind could be fully dead due to ml

[eager bluff]

no

primordial light would still function the same way

just

[long bloom]

eternal night beyond mentioned

[eager bluff]

nothing gets to control it

[long bloom]

killing myself

[chilly plinth]

and that geniunely worked,like yall were trying to prove to me that killing everyone is bad,heck,even kill for kill is bad,eye for eye and everyone is blind

[raven brook]

Me when i lose the single strongest domain and suddenly Fovos 2 happens

[wanton pendant]

Trust in the Matter God, coming 2923.

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[abstract hedge]

From what I've seen about them they seem to be good but too fearful to actually benefit the world much. The whole "making the world not constantly burning from the heat of the sun" seems pretty good to me though.

[eager bluff]

xeroc is true neutral yeah

[young socket]

xeroc is a COWARD

[raven brook]

Xeroc's exact motivations aren't really super clear right now

[abstract hedge]

True...

[raven brook]

I personally like the

Good intentions but just

[spare pier]

How do I tell you this...

[raven brook]

not very good at his job

Interpretation

[eager bluff]

actually probably lawful neutral

[raven brook]

me when #paranoia

[spring helm]

me when metaphor

[chilly plinth]

u called me pathetic,that ill savor it for months

[tropic oak]

hi

[young socket]

"ooh i have to focus on distortion threats i cant get involved with terrarian matters anymore im supposed to be responsible" MF YOU HAVE PTSD GO SEE A THERAPIST

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[abstract hedge]

The eternal night beyond isn't really a force, it's just space.

[wanton pendant]

You're just making a fool of yourself. Just go.

[normal mantle]

Give it to me gay, doc

[long bloom]

thank you for proving her right

[spare pier]

"The Eternal Night Beyond" is just

[abstract hedge]

Something can't be evil if it's literally just a location.

[proven rivet]

Tastes bitter, doesn't it?

[spare pier]

A really fancy way of saying

[normal mantle]

I mean clearly it makes bad things happen

Zombies

Scary

[raven brook]

Distortion Moment

[spare pier]

"The planet isn't always at night"

[tropic oak]

distortion

[patent sky]

Do you think there’s a god of chainsaws?

Like some kind of chainsaw man…

Yeah I think I like that name

[chilly plinth]

hell nah,invigorating

[long bloom]

that's because the moon's haunted

[hollow pivot]

Like, what did you accomplish with this ragebait? You kinda just slowed down conversation.

[raven brook]

I've always seen it as a double meaning

[abstract hedge]

That's more from the lack of sun than the existence of darkness, maybe zombies just burn away from sunlight or something idk.

[spare pier]

You guys are falling for the bait

[patent sky]

Like how a chainsaw has two sides?

[abstract hedge]

The Moon is evil but space isn't.

[raven brook]

Literally just, The Night but also because PL is the only thing that has been strong enough to actually make distortion fuckers like Fovos and Noxus not Kill Everyone

[wanton pendant]

True!

Moon's Haunted.

[chilly plinth]

well,and finally got smth about the lore of the mod i thought was a big mgr reference

[tropic oak]

moon is haunted

[patent sky]

Well there is a man on the moon

[raven brook]

Moon's evil

[long bloom]

[abstract hedge]

Between Solar eclipses, blood moons, and fovos, the moon is very evil.

[eager bluff]

holiday moons

[hollow pivot]

Why did you not just ask that directly?

[eager bluff]

moons haunted

[patent sky]

No one liked my chainsaw man joke

[eager bluff]

they did

[wanton pendant]

Too busy with moon.

[eager bluff]

and then tangents happened

[abstract hedge]

Not canon so they don't count (I also forgot)

[long bloom]

those don't exist sorry

[eager bluff]

and now we're at moons haunted

[hollow pivot]

Then the ragebait has nothing to do with that answer.

[spare pier]

I love how everyone just colectively got together to say

"Yeah the moon is fucked up"

[zenith geode]

i forget is frost leigon canon

[patent sky]

Prolly

[zenith geode]

cuz like

[hollow pivot]

We need Eggmann to get rid of the moon.

[raven brook]

It all started one day in roydev vc when we came to the conclusion that

[zenith geode]

its just snowmen

[raven brook]

yep

moons evil

and then i spread it

[patent sky]

Stabby snowmen are too cool to not be

[raven brook]

like wildfire

now everyone knows that

yep

moons evil

[spare pier]

Tbf the moon is pretty evil

[young socket]

ok but can we talk about how for some reason fallen stars get deleted during the day like why do they do that

[eager bluff]

canon or not the moon is still evil and those arent helping it

[young socket]

is it primordial light doing that

[icy veldt]

Dang, I just skimmed through that shitflinging contest above. That utter nonsense is what people sound like when they say that the dragons didn't deserve it

[young socket]

does it hate mana

[patent sky]

Hard to see

[chilly plinth]

well i did,and then got a lil too deep into justifiyng genocide,and at some point i was too deep and without diving gear

[patent sky]

[wanton pendant]

That's what I've been saying!

[zenith geode]

its not like santa where his existence implies the proliferation of the coca-cola brand across continents

[raven brook]

The moon's literally evil

[patent sky]

But if frost legion is canon then santa is

[spare pier]

Like thinking about it

[raven brook]

It's unironically one of my favorite bits of calamity worldbuilding because of how ridiculous it is,

[abstract hedge]

Terraria gameplay holdover that doesn't matter in lore (or the primordial light has some effect on mana that causes it to disperse or something but that'd definitely be mentioned in lore if that was the case).

[raven brook]

not in a bad way

[spare pier]

Literally every time the moon does anything

[raven brook]

The moon just fucking Makes Things Happen

[wanton pendant]

Moon's Haunted Theory is a peer reviewed, deeply researched theory!

[spare pier]

Shit gets fucked

[patent sky]

Bc you get santa from frost legion

[raven brook]

And there'sw

no real explaantion for it

[zenith geode]

parts of something can be canon, see solar eclipse

[raven brook]

the moon is just evil

fuck you

[zenith geode]

reapers are canon but nailheads arent

[patent sky]

There should be a uh blue moon

[young socket]

moon being evil is normal trope tbf

[wanton pendant]

That moon absolutely is alive and hates us.

[eager bluff]

the moon got part of the world soul when it shattered it got the domain of being fucked up like that

[young socket]

like werewolves existed for a while

[patent sky]

That boosts luck more than lantern nights

[tropic oak]

the moon wants you to die why else woudl it become really red when it gets mad at yuou

[young socket]

thats cuz people thought the moons evil i think idk i dont study werewolfology

[zenith geode]

reapers are just based on the popular image of death as opposed to other solar eclipse enemies which are directly based on movies

[spare pier]

The moon shows up in the sky? 500 monsters

The moon gets red? 500 quadrillion monsters

The moon covers the sun? 500 fuckjillion monsters specifically tailored to be your worst nightmares

[abstract hedge]

Old lore blood moon was the creator of the universe gazing upon the earth and messing everything up but now it's just "Moon's evil".

[hollow pivot]

I swear I saw a D&D campaign about that.

[raven brook]

its so peak

[zenith geode]

oh yeah eyezors are canon too but like who even remembers them

[long bloom]

canon explanation for solar eclipse enemies!!!!!! 🎉

[spare pier]

I've said that like

30 times before

[wanton pendant]

Moon's Haunted is the singlemost important theory in Calamity. It explains everything.

[spare pier]

[wanton pendant]

Can I put it in the document now?

[long bloom]

oh i didn't see any of those times

and never heard anyone else mention it

[spare pier]

I'd say to avoid it but like

[north root]

moon isnt haunted its just. a bad person

[zenith geode]

they should add mutant zombie from minecraft mutant mobs mod to the solar eclipse

[spare pier]

I guess you can

[north root]

moons like racist or something

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying!

[patent sky]

Moon is white

Makes sense

[north root]

i hate the moon im gonna kill it

[wanton pendant]

Well, if you say to avoid it, it can be omitted.

[north root]

brb chat

[long bloom]

[patent sky]

I say palely

[spare pier]

It's moreso because that might be subject to change

It's far from a 100% canon thing

[long bloom]

but it's COOL

[wanton pendant]

Half the document is subject to change.

[spare pier]

But I think it's the best explanation and it's cool so

[eager bluff]

my explanation for pumpkin moon is that you eat the medallion but since its a piece of clothing or whatever you start hallucinating
my explanation for frost moon is that you put the box over your head and hit your head on the wall and run around with a major concussion and think the frost moon is happening but in reality its just you hallucinating

[young socket]

moons big

[wanton pendant]

We're going to disappoint the furries when we make those updates...

[patent sky]

LSD

[eager bluff]

you get the loot because moons haunted

[hollow pivot]

What if the Moon is like a prism for the Primordial Light that turns it into evil rather than good? And the stronger the focus, the stronger the evil, hence the Solar Eclipse is the peak of the moon.
And the event moons change the conversion or the evil making it go from general evil to specific season-themed group of monsters?

[young socket]

the drops are just things you make while in a daze

[zenith geode]

terrarian is a toddler theory

[spare pier]

No it's just fucking evil

[patent sky]

You get loot bc xeroc thought it was funny

[spare pier]

(What I mean by that is there's no real conclusive answer)

[wanton pendant]

No, no, the theory is the opposite actually.
The Primordial Light inhibits the moon. But it's so messed up it does bad things anyway.
An eclipse means the light doesn't hit the moon, so stuff gets worse.

[abstract hedge]

It's just evil.
Primordial light isn't even inherently good either (before Xeroc calmed it down the world was ridiculously hot from the heat of the sun).

[wanton pendant]

When the moon blocks the light from hitting Terraria, you get sent to Translyvania.

[spare pier]

I was just pointing out that like

Yeah

Every time the moon does ANYTHING

Shit gets fucked

[eager bluff]

look

[hollow pivot]

What if we get a good moon once in a blue moon?

[eager bluff]

i will take any excuse to make my terrarians look like as much of a dumbass as i am

[spare pier]

Y'know the moon being viewed as pretty much a demon that only brings ruin also makes the Moon Lord 10 times more fire in Calamity

[patent sky]

I already suggested that poohead

[spare pier]

[zenith geode]

blue moon event where happy zombies spawn

[eager bluff]

thats what lantern nights are you killing bosses makes people happy so they celebrate and also it makes the moon not evil for one night so people are happy

[patent sky]

Whats the consensus on dinosaurs

[spare pier]

The moon, historically, has been the cause of several unexplainable and problematic phenomena in Terraria

They sent a guy there and he was so fucked up that they just said that he tamed the fucking moon

[hollow pivot]

Or you get higher luck, higher critter spawnrates, and lower enemy spawnrates? Kinda like a Lantern Night that naturally happens so you don't have a finite amount.

[icy veldt]

Hmm, now I'm thinking: there was a conversation way earlier about how mana is kinda implied to be alive, and part of it involved the Astral Infection. If enough mana clumps together in the void of space, and then burns out, it starts to bloat and decay, which is why it needs to be consumed by the Astrorum Deus creatures

The Astral Infection also has a mind of its own, so does that imply that, in spite of its deathly and necrotic appearance, it's the result of mana becoming more alive by clumping together and "evolving" (so to speak) in a manner similar to the black goop that started climbing out of my bathroom sink drain when I used a bottle of drain cleaner?

[wanton pendant]

Freaking awesome.

[patent sky]

In the lore lmao

I love dinos so much

[wanton pendant]

Freaking awesome.

[hollow pivot]

Dinosaurs are just animals? What else could they be?

[wanton pendant]

Call a plumber.

[wanton pendant]

Fairy God Parents?

[icy veldt]

No that was a while ago, and it was in my previous apartment

[patent sky]

FAIRY GOD PARENTS

[spare pier]

Like imagine how feared you have to be that the entire world says you claim dominion over the thing that has been fucking them over since the birth of civilization

[icy veldt]

I kinda envy that tbh

[spare pier]

After said place was made your fucking prison

[icy veldt]

Okay that part I don't envy

[wanton pendant]

Why didn't Moon Lord convert the Moon into apartments and rent them out? Is he stupid?

[spare pier]

Like that's basically if you cut someone in half, threw them in the Pit of Despair, and then he didn't die, and infact, he continued to live there perfectly fine with his minions

[patent sky]

Because he’s Moon Lord

Not Land Lord

And not a fat fucking chud

[hollow pivot]

Because he has respect for livable sized housing.

[wanton pendant]

Did the Dragon of Land hike the price of rent?

[spare pier]

I hereby declare that the first dragon Moon Lord killed was the Dragon of the Housing Market

[patent sky]

Pin that

Its confirmed

[wanton pendant]

So no God of Stocks?

[hollow pivot]

The Dragon of Exchange actually got absorbed by Signus after getting beaten up by Moon Lord.

[patent sky]

Probably looks like some kind of wolf… On wall street…

[young socket]

question

[wanton pendant]

Why would the Dragon of Stopping Dragons From Dying let this happen!?

[long bloom]

because he's a chud

[young socket]

so amidias says that mock attunement is the process of putting an auric soul into auric, yes?

[patent sky]

He was eaten by the god of chainsaws

[spare pier]

Idk if that's the intent of the joke

But

That dragon exists

He's called Yharon

[young socket]

which implies that theres a dragon out there whos stuck in like a weapon or armour or whatever

[wanton pendant]

Assumed that the Dragon of Stopping Dragons From Dying was a man? Not very woke of you.

[dusk laurel]

youre a chud

[young socket]

so question, could the soul like

[patent sky]

#notverywokeofyou

[young socket]

feel that it was being forged into something

while it was in the metal

[wanton pendant]

I'm going to discombobulate you.

[young socket]

and if it could, how would that feel

[long bloom]

nope, stip told me his pronouns after i asked. i believe this makes me even more #woke

[wanton pendant]

You may be woke, but are you awake?

[long bloom]

debatable

[patent sky]

What if the entire mod is just an illusion xeroc is putting us through

[wanton pendant]

What if the Yharim Apparition is behind everything?

[hollow pivot]

There's actually a set of armor planned that's going to be called “Auric Einstein Armor”. It's the Dragon of Mind's body stuffed into Auric Bars used to make Auric Armor. The Armor will be Mage-Based and will talk to you giving advice and random lore bits.

[patent sky]

Behind me? What?

[young socket]

fire

i hope mind guy is a very annoying shit that backseats you the entire time

[patent sky]

You cant call anything that close to that guys name

[hollow pivot]

“Dude dodge. DODGE. WHAT ARE YOU DOING! I told you to equip Orderbringer. Auric Slammer isn't meta bro.”

[wanton pendant]

'Please let me out this hurts so much.'
'Press A to move left, and D to move right.'
'I can't see the end of the horizon...'
'I miss my wife.'
'Yharon had no friends.'
'I was like, three, when they stuffed me into this. It's messed up, man.'

[hollow pivot]

Well if there's auric Tesla (Nikola Tesla) then there must be auric Einstein (Albert Einstein)

[patent sky]

Do you mean edison?

Tesla and Einstein aren’t normally related

[hollow pivot]

“And if the Distortion creatures see you out of Cosmilite armor at night, they may think you're a Distortion creature out of Noxus' control (Which isn't allowed here) and may try to, forcibly, shove you into a Cosmilite Suit.”

[normal mantle]

What the hell happens to an auric dragon’s domain if they aren’t reborn

[hollow pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1419478550637183016.webp?size=96
Dang it, they embed failed my emoji.

[long bloom]

shrug

[wanton pendant]

'You know, usually the first night isn't so ba-'

[abstract hedge]

Probably just hangs out with their soul until someone does the ritual or just disappears after a while.

[wanton pendant]

They float in the air until someone moves close enough to add them to their inventory.

[normal mantle]

It said xeratros’s power was going to be lost forever if he died

So idk

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but Moon Lord.

[young socket]

that was cuz of ml

[abstract hedge]

Fovos could do that somehow since if it wasn't ML then Zeratros would just be reborn.

[hollow pivot]

“Hello Terrarian, my name is Μυαλό, and welcome to 5 fights at Yharims. An indie fighting game which you suggested in mass, and I saw that Braelor played it and he said it was really really good. So I'm very eager to see what is up. ”

[hollow pivot]

Zeratros*

[wanton pendant]

'Hello, hello hello? Uh, I wanted to leave you a message, but, uh, the Devourer of Gods is about to charge down that hallway.'

[normal mantle]

Supposedly yharon wasn’t available to revive any dragons cause a lot died, and it was after the war so moonlord wouldn’t have done whatever he does to the soul

[abstract hedge]

I mean like, Yharon would still be able to revive them eventually unless there's some really short time limit.

I'm also guessing it's more of a passive thing ML does to any dragons it kills rather than some active ritual or something it has to do.

[hollow pivot]

So if they only come back if Yharon allows it, then the dragons could have killed the Dragon of Flames permanently.

[normal mantle]

My idea was that it’s different depending on domains, like for primordial light I’m assuming the sun would still like be there but it wouldn’t really do much of wtv it does against the darkness and night monsters. But for a domain like flame it could outright disappear and be impossible to produce

[spare pier]

Refer to his Bestiary entry

[abstract hedge]

Doesn't appear to be on the wiki, what's it say again?

[long bloom]

it's on the lore reference doc

first pin

[abstract hedge]

Yeah I know where the doc is I'm just lazy

[wanton pendant]

Real.

[hollow pivot]

The cosmic behemoth that brought Terraria to its knees 800 years ago, freed from its lunar prison in a weakened state. It had the power to siphon and dominate souls, including those possessed by dragons, permanently wounding them. It hails from an incomprehensible fissure of broken spacetime which leeches energy from our dimension to sustain itself.

[wanton pendant]

It's like some kind of... Thermodynamics...

[abstract hedge]

Wait wtf when did ML get an explained origin

[long bloom]

february 6th

[wanton pendant]

The consequence of which is now people ask if Noxus is Moon Lord's boss.

[abstract hedge]

I'm pretty sure the domain doesn't affect the actual thing, it only controls it. Like death still occurs even though the death domain was changed with the ascension of Agnus. We don't really have a precedent for a domain fully disappearing though afaik so it's kinda unknown.

[wanton pendant]

Which... Uh... Probably not.

[long bloom]

[long bloom]

do we know of a mind god

[hollow pivot]

Do you think there are any gods that killed an evil dragon, ascended, and are now hunting down evil gods?

[hollow pivot]

Not that Yharim would tell us.

[wanton pendant]

I think they were put out of business.

[hollow pivot]

Do we know how many dragons existed?

[abstract hedge]

There might be some sort of "god of conviction" or something out there but I don't think they'd exclusively hunt down other gods but would be more of a vigilante in general.

[long bloom]

high hundreds to low thousands iirc

[hollow pivot]

Is it ever stated that Yharon is the only dragon left?

[abstract hedge]

Yes

[long bloom]

yes

several times

[abstract hedge]

Yharon is the only one left.

[hollow pivot]

Dang, I thought there were only like 20-50 Dragons.

[abstract hedge]

There's only like 10 mentioned in lore (and even fewer ingame) so that's fair, but yeah no there were a ton.

[wanton pendant]

It's kinda critically important there's only one.

[abstract hedge]

There are technically a bunch left but Yharon is the only Auric dragon left and those are the only ones that really matter much.

[wanton pendant]

~3000 has been given the odd time.

[abstract hedge]

Yharon has been the only dragon left for a long time, and assuming that someone extremely powerful doesn't figure out the ritual anytime soon will likely still exist for a while, maybe they'll even try to kill some of the gods that remain once they're reborn.

[wanton pendant]

Or maybe he'll learn to stop while he's ahead.

[long bloom]

[normal mantle]

I don’t think that dragons could be revived with just the original soul

[abstract hedge]

I didn't say that they could return?

[normal mantle]

Unless there’s more spiritual malpractice

[wanton pendant]

They could. Yharon has the power to revive Auric Dragons.

Of course, the original souls have been turned to Godly Souls.

So there's no hope for the dragons.

[abstract hedge]

So they can't return.

Because all of them had the ritual done to them.

[normal mantle]

Misread you talking about how yharon is probably staying the last dragon unless that thing happens

Lwk you lost me

[abstract hedge]

Oh alr

[simple tangle]

yharon is the only auric dragon left

[normal mantle]

Theoretically you could revive an auric dragon if you take a godly soul and then some thousand lesser souls to remake its body

[long bloom]

no

you couldn't

[abstract hedge]

That's more like reviving the god than reviving the dragon.

[hollow pivot]

So that means there's about ~2,999 gods?

[hollow pivot]

I wish we knew these fodder characters.

[long bloom]

about half the dragons were permanently killed by fovos iirc

so no gods for those

[hollow pivot]

And the ones killed by Fovos got absorbed still though.

[abstract hedge]

A lot of dragons were permakilled by ML so there's still a lot fewer gods than dragons (also most gods are dead now).

[long bloom]

don't think so

[hollow pivot]

Vetrasyl legit got turned into a pillar and still got absorbed later.

[abstract hedge]

No, pretty sure they can't be ascended with if Fovos did its thing to them.

[long bloom]

being pillarfied doesn't mean permadying

zeratros was still alive for a bit after

[abstract hedge]

When tf did Vetrasyl get turned into a literal pillar? Is this new lore from brainstorm

[long bloom]

yeah

the pillars were made with portions of auric souls

[hollow pivot]

So that's closer to 1,500 gods?

[abstract hedge]

Oh the lunar pillars

[long bloom]

storm for vortex
mind for nebula
life for stardust
primordial light for solar

[abstract hedge]

I thought you meant like a literal rock pillar

[long bloom]

oh 😭

[abstract hedge]

Sounds like something Zeus would've done

[wanton pendant]

A claim of 3000 gods was made here earlier. I suppose there's no true conclusion to be made at this time.

[abstract hedge]

Until we get an official estimate we can only guess that's there were around half as many gods as there were dragons.

Even then it could be anywhere from like 35% - 70% as many.

There's only like a few dozen gods left right?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[hollow pivot]

Wait who told us Yharon was the last dragon?

[wanton pendant]

Everything.

If any other dragon existed, they would be mentioned by now.

Since they would have to have hidden from literally everything, including the most pro-dragon world spanning empire ever.

[abstract hedge]

Yharon's lore item + a ton of other places

[hollow pivot]

Okay I thought it might have been Yharon or Yharim who told us that and they are far from a trust worth source.

[hollow pivot]

Dragon of Secrecy 🤷‍♂️

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is known for lying by omission, not explicit lies.

It would also undermine a lot of the plot.

[abstract hedge]

Yharim isn't very trustworthy but he's not just gonna lie about how many dragons are left, why would he do that?

Like seriously what reason would he have to pretend only one dragon is left if there were for example, 3?

[hollow pivot]

My only thought could be that there's a dragon he doesn't know about.

[abstract hedge]

Ah yes an auric dragon that isn't seen once in a modernish world that also has magic and some crazy sci-fi stuff.

[wanton pendant]

It would also have to be one Yharon doesn't know about.

[abstract hedge]

And the dragon doesn't reveal itself to the giant pro-dragon, anti-god world-conquering empire or one of the only other dragons left.

Having more dragons still be alive would just undermine the plot imo.

[hollow pivot]

Now this might sound stupid (It is) what if he's far in outerspace comanding the Astrum Dei or smth like that?

[abstract hedge]

IMO there's no real reason for that to be the case when Yharon being the last one is more compelling and makes more sense.

[wanton pendant]

And also has avoided being killed for the last 850 years... Or got sick, or died of old age, or...

[long bloom]

dragons
in
spaaaaaaaaaace

[wanton pendant]

No space dragons.

[abstract hedge]

1. How would it fly
2. How would it breathe
3. How would it not be noticed by the god of space
4. How/why would it command the dei
5. How would it get food and such in space
6. Why on earth would tihs be the case

Yharon is the last one, full stop.

[wanton pendant]

There's no God of Space.

[long bloom]

shakidou is the god of emptiness now

[abstract hedge]

Right god of emptiness

Close enough

[hollow pivot]

So any vacuum is the god of Emptiness' domain?

[long bloom]

but when they were the god of space, it was referring to dimensional space
not outer space

[long bloom]

not necessarily

[abstract hedge]

It took the domain of night and became the god of emptiness so it might as well be the god of space.

Just the lack of things in general I guess.

Lack of life, lack of light, lack of magic, etc.

Which matches up with them being one of the strongest gods iirc.

[wanton pendant]

Shakidou, God of Depression didn't have the same ring to it.

[long bloom]

[hollow pivot]

:false:

[plucky juniper]

its the earth dragon and they buried themselves so deep into the planet that nobody can actually find them

[hollow pivot]

He's waiting for all the gods and dragons to die so he can absorb the souls and become complete again.

[wanton pendant]

There's already an Earth Elemental though.

[dusk laurel]

storms, tides, flame

[long bloom]

life

[dusk laurel]

this is why flame was evil he didnt want to be called a weather event

[wanton pendant]

Those aren't the same as Air, Water, Heat and Nature.

[dusk laurel]

i dont CARE about the elementals

[long bloom]

dragon of rock and stone

[dusk laurel]

they need to work for relevance

[wanton pendant]

We need a Silva making that Spongebob sad face.

[hollow pivot]

Elementals are just weird.

[dusk laurel]

what does anahita do, be a fish??
hey its me anahita glub gulb glub im so cool please let me flood the world oh and also silva kicked me out of my house please give me pity points

[wanton pendant]

Anahita gets a bigger fish.

Which is freaking awesome.

Because it's like, really big.

[dusk laurel]

theres always a bigger fish

and thats me

[wanton pendant]

YOU'RE A FISH!?

[dusk laurel]

levi will turn back into water or smth idk

[long bloom]

no she's an oyster

[wanton pendant]

Are oysters fish?

[dusk laurel]

still dont know if its real or just anahita's comfort fish

utterly deranged

these elementals need to get their act together and be better

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Earth Elemental's old tweets will resurface in the next update.

[dusk laurel]

earth elemental caught calling a godseeker knight a slur????

10 billion views

[hollow pivot]

We got Goozma.

[warm gull]

hots fireguy

[hollow pivot]

Who?

[long bloom]

you don't remember...

[leaden bridge]

It's hots flamesman dude

[craggy sparrow]

I think the slime paladins the slime god produces can be utilized for a lot of things ngl

its that flexible and strong enough to be made into powerful weapons i think utilizing the slimes for architecture can be good

that or like with resin can be used for protective coating

[worldly spindle]

OUUUUUGH

thank you brainstorm 🙏

[raven brook]

Have you read the uhhhm blossom flux lore tooltip

its pretty cool and ties into that well

[worldly spindle]

She didn't drop it 😔

But I'll get around to it :3

[robust osprey]

wtf

braelore

[sinful adder]

Do you want the scientific answer

It's complicated

[raven brook]

No not really they're just not

They're mollusks

Bivalves, specifically

[sinful adder]

The nuance isn't there. It's in the definition of what a fish is

[raven brook]

Yeah but even given the fact "fish" is a paraphyletic clade they're kinda just nto

[sinful adder]

Are we fish? Are whales fish?

[raven brook]

Yeah

Like i wouldn't call us fish casually but like

When it comes to the actual scientific definition of it

Yeah we're fish

[sinful adder]

That definition isn't used. Instead, fish just aren't a category used for uh. Whatever it's called with the relations between things

Fish is a descriptive term for things that swim

That's the better definition

[raven brook]

It's more complex than that but "fish" as a definition is a bit messy yes

Specifically it's messy when it comes to figuring out when it starts tbh

There's not a general agreement on what clade should be seen as the start of "fish"

[sinful adder]

It's also not a useful category because when used in that way, every vertebrate is a fish

[raven brook]

Not really how philogeny works

It's not about things being useful or not

Atleast not in that sense

[sinful adder]

Which is why "fish" just isn't used as a category in philogeny, right?

[raven brook]

All organisms trace their evolutionary history back to several different traits that evolved over gorillion years, and thus every organism can be grouped into a long lineage of clades

[raven brook]

yeah there isn't really a single clade that is

Generally agreed on to be "fish"

Fish is more of a coloquial term

But it is a bit more complex than just thinggs that swim

Like let's say you consider Chordata as a whole to be the start of "fish"

Well uh fuck you

this guy is a fish now

Chordate btw

closer to humans than any invertebrate

Fucked up innit

[warm gull]

the meal

[dusk laurel]

tunicates 🔥

[pulsar ocean]

type shi

[balmy glacier]

and calamity overhaul

[flint gulch]

gorillion

https://klipy.com/gifs/gorilla-spin-4

no embed

[rain scroll]

why did it change from amidias' spark

[wanton pendant]

Ilmeris is the name of the country Amidias ruled.

And you don't get it from Amidias.

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t amidias build another ilmeris

[wanton pendant]

He lost all his wealth when the economy collapsed so he can't hire builders.

[cedar path]

the builders are all dead

[late sparrow]

why doesn't calamity mod expand the size of the world to 1667 times the length so it can fit multiple country 👆

[split mortar]

Because fuck you

[late sparrow]

that's so mean

calamity mod kill your hard drive update button --> ⏺️

[wanton pendant]

Add Calamity to mod.

[late sparrow]

oh, thats

[agile matrix]

just make like

eighty more subworld

shrimple

[strong notch]

as dart

[frozen canopy]

Fill me in on the lore. Didn't Draedon hate Yharim because of the plague he unleashed on the jungle? Or is it Yharim who hates Draedon now?

[raven brook]

It's Yharim who hates Draedon

[frozen canopy]

Oh, so it was Draedon who screwed up?

[raven brook]

Draedon is the one who invented the plague, and Yharim saw it as a massive betrayal given it was a form of removing a being's autonomy (Much like slavery) and Yharim absolutely despises Slavery

[frozen canopy]

Because I was sure it was Yharim who requested the plague, and Draedon reprimanded him for it.

OHHH, wow

[raven brook]

Draedon has no sort of moral compass

Dude would rescue a puppy from a tree one day and then kick the puppy into oblivion the next day as part of a scientific experiment

[cloud ibex]

even when yharim released pbg by punching a hole in the wall draedon wasn't even mad, he essentially just went "huh. wonder what that was about"

[raven brook]

Yeah in Draedon's eyes it was probably like

"Hey wait why did he get mad at me for that when he has actively done way worse"

[frozen canopy]

Wow, I was sure the plague had been caused by Yharim and that Draedon had separated from him for that reason, even for someone like him, "that was a lot."

[strong notch]

"But what is wrong with modifying bees"

[raven brook]

Draedon's all about research

He's a AI after all,

His primary directive will always be his priority

[robust osprey]

studies you

🔬

[raven brook]

It comes to him as naturally as it does for humans being hungry or thirsty

So while he isn't actively doing evil shit for the sake of it

[flat berry]

Lore question, i dont know if anything changed, statis was one of the many allies yharim lost or was he part of the rebels?

[robust osprey]

Statis almost killed Yharim

lo

[flat berry]

So, a rebel, got it

[robust osprey]

and was on the god side kinda

[raven brook]

He will absolutely do immoral actions if the scientific benefit of it is interesting enough to him

[robust osprey]

(presumably) slime god champion

so yeah

[flat berry]

I dont get it, if statis almost killed yharim how did he almost lost to signus?

[raven brook]

He dosen't really have the same moral compass of good vs evil a human does

[raven brook]

Old lore probably

[robust osprey]

well he was trapped in distortion and Signus helped him

they never fought

it was a deal

like a demonic deal type of shit

[raven brook]

Statis was one of two heroes that managed to almost kill Yharim in a confrontation

Statis was a legendary assasin/ninja and part of the onyx kinsmen, a group of ninjas that worshipped the Slime God and Signus

[strong notch]

His moral compass is more about not sabotaging his own research in the process of doing things

[raven brook]

Alongside Braelor, the champion of Silva and one of the strongest humans in the entire story behind only Calamitas and Yharim

[robust osprey]

where did this come fromm

I did not know this

[raven brook]

what

this is like

basic information

[robust osprey]

whatt

[raven brook]

anyways

[flat berry]

And the terrarian

[raven brook]

I don't get it what r you confused about

[strong notch]

lore document

[raven brook]

Not counting the Terrarian but yeah

If we were then 4th

Braelor and Statis clashed against Yharim and basically won

But right as they were about to deal the killing blow

Devourer ambushed them nad sent them to the distortion

[flat berry]

Im surprised i havent seen any "the Strongest metal in history vs the strongest mortal of today" With yharim and the terrarian

[raven brook]

Statis managed to leave and return ot hte overworld thanks to a deal with Signus, but Braelor had to be left behind

Both will be wandering Npcs in the future, with their own questlines

Statis in the overworld, Btraelor in the distortion

[flat berry]

Nice

[raven brook]

The questline will end with you rescuing Braelor and reuniting him with Statis

also they're gay

actual only canonical couple in the mod deadass

[flat berry]

"Oh god, this bitches gay, good for them, good for them"

[flat berry]

Im still waiting for them to make calamitas and amidias canon

[raven brook]

Huh.

Dude that's

No

That's

[split mortar]

Calamitas is aro ace and also killed his country

[raven brook]

That'sw horrible in so many ways

[split mortar]

Also yeah

[raven brook]

I cannot begin to describe how horrible that is

Uhh

Well first off Calamitas is aroace yeah
Second she Killed Everyone in his Country
And uhhhh he probably was an adult while she was a child back then

😭 I'm sure you were just clueless but damn man you unleashed the horrors

[flat berry]

I know, it was a joke, is basically a crack ship

It was a joke based on that calamitas doesnt hate amidias and her dialogue about him not hating her

[raven brook]

Hey

It could always be worse

It could also be Permafrost x Calamitas or Yharim x Calamitas

Which are like

the two worst things ever conceived

Ever

[split mortar]

:(

[flat berry]

No thanks, i like permafrost as a mentor or even father figure after calamitas lost everyone

[raven brook]

I have thankfuly never seen anyone actually ship them together

Permafrost is literally her adoptive father yea

[flat berry]

And yarim can go fuck himself :v

[split mortar]

Yeah she will call him dad he is her adoptive dad

[raven brook]

Amidias x Calamitas is a ship i can only see being surpassed by those two in how horrible it is

almost like a hog of sorts

[tropic oak]

LOL

[split mortar]

Yeah he did groom her into destroying ilmeris when she was a minor

[raven brook]

the real best crackship

is everyones

favorite

and real

and true ship

signus x draedon

don't @ me

im right

[tropic oak]

stinky cheese

[split mortar]

Noxus signus moonlord

[raven brook]

how creativre

[raven brook]

its even worse for dai bro

im fucking

green

on their screen

straight up

just pure green

[split mortar]

HUH

[tropic oak]

LOL

[split mortar]

😭

[raven brook]

its called green humour buddy

[split mortar]

We need omni to post the green mh gifs idk how to find them

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/rathalos-green-rathalos-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-crocker-gif-12605959072827325321

i wonder which character concept art cosmaticmango will make next

[split mortar]

Thank you greese

[raven brook]

greese ...

[split mortar]

Uh who needs it

Vetersal