lore-discussion

[raven brook]

All of his autonomy taken

He's still Statis

but there's also a Signus in there

which removes some of his

Mainly just because

otherwise

It'd mean up until the endgame you'd have 0 interactions with statis himself

which would be uh

weird

[crude musk]

I mean yeah signus probably takes over sometimes

[raven brook]

you'd have a very short time

to actually get invested on the character

[split mortar]

I mean yeah? Did others think it was all?

[raven brook]

if all of the previous interactions wiehre just Signus 😭

[cedar path]

Man this is all gonna be so cool in 2045

[crude musk]

You could get invested in signus' character

[raven brook]

:idk

[cedar path]

Cant wait

[raven brook]

I don't really know nor care what others thought i'm just saying whta i think

[split mortar]

Fair

[raven brook]

statis tommorow

[crude musk]

Playing cal with your kids will be peak

[raven brook]

would be funny if you could actually interact with Signus after his bossfight

Like you go to the distortion and he's just. there

given iirc he won't actually die

[cedar path]

Sso is actually statis super orrival

[crude musk]

He's kinda homeless tho

[raven brook]

me going to signus crib in the distortion to ask him for 50 tons of distortion weed

[crude musk]

No body and lost his bet or whatever reason he had to fight you

[wanton pendant]

'Are you sure you don't want to be my envoy? It's a pretty sweet deal. Statis took it after all.'

[cedar path]

Theres a vague idea for some kind of deal making system with signus right?

[raven brook]

maybe yeah?

vaguely remember smth like it

signus npc would go hard

not like

town npc

just

he's in there. the distortion. hes in his crib

[cedar path]

Too far away to actually say anything so eh

[crude musk]

He'd probably play a role in beating noxus

[raven brook]

the signuscave

[crude musk]

In 2086

[raven brook]

he's gonna r un noxus over

with his signusmobile

[wanton pendant]

Signus is gonna say 'It's distorting time!' and distort all over the place.

[final bison]

ladies and gents

[crude musk]

He's gonna reveal noxus' only weakness: milk

[cedar path]

The real signus was within us all along

[final bison]

gay people

[cedar path]

Never heard of'em

[wanton pendant]

Sounds woke.

[final bison]

bro never heard of gay people

bro is unwoke

#mytummyachescuziatetoomuch

[cedar path]

True I am sleeping

[raven brook]

oh also

lol they finally added this entry

it was supposed to be ingame al ong time ago but fsr never got in ;sob

laserfish being draedon cyborgs

they even changed the loot pool too, cool

[cedar path]

Neat

[wanton pendant]

Early attempt at the plague?

[cedar path]

I like that entry

Lilbit of early plague idea

Elementals all having a feminine body is meaningkess right? Just a remnant of the 🐴?

Will be changed?

[dusk laurel]

the horse...

well cloud elemental looks genderless from the sprite weve seen

just a seraphic angel

[cedar path]

Oh yea it is in that doc I forgot

[dusk laurel]

anahita will probably stay the same

brimmy's getting redesigned but probably will still be a woman

[cedar path]

Brimmy is refered to as a matron

[split mortar]

Is this still accurate or outdated

[dusk laurel]

sandy is like already sortof a woman in vanilla so they cant rlly do much

[cedar path]

Ye just hopefully with proportions that arent awful

[dusk laurel]

unless this gets nuked idts

[split mortar]

Oki

[wanton pendant]

Anahita is meant to be a siren, so unless that direction shifts she will remain womanified.
Silva.
Granite Elementals, however, are untapped potential. We need them in the Heart of the Elements.

[light linden]

I still hope heart of the elements becomes better

[dusk laurel]

theres like no world where it doesnt get reworked sometime in the future

[light linden]

being able to summon 6 summons that all do unique things without any slots is amazing conceptually

[wanton pendant]

And isn't only one of them actually good?

[light linden]

eh

the healing one is the best

the others are ok

[wanton pendant]

Why on Earth did it just have Sand twice?

What was the thought process?

[dusk laurel]

rare sandy must die

[wanton pendant]

Replace her with Granite Elemental, it's what the fans want.

[light linden]

btw are these creatures just supposed to be random critters or do they have some lore implications?

the shroomble for context

[dusk laurel]

critters

[zenith geode]

mushroom big healthy yum yum

[split mortar]

Shrooms be alive sometimes ig

[dusk laurel]

also they have bestiary entries

thats it

[split mortar]

Dont they also kill themselves every frame

[zenith geode]

yeah

[dusk laurel]

not everything has some secret ultra important lore

[zenith geode]

terraria shrimp lord theory

[dusk laurel]

sometimes things just exist

[light linden]

OH

[split mortar]

Yharim actually got his absurd kill count by sleeping in a shroomble cave

[light linden]

that's why the have a gigantic amount of kills in the bestiary

[split mortar]

Yeah 😭

[zenith geode]

this is true i was the lichen on the wall

[raven brook]

Sand elemental in vanilla is also not a horrible boobs demon of a design

unlike

gulp

Her .,...

[dusk laurel]

yeah that too

[wanton pendant]

So many options for who She is.

[dusk laurel]

like shes literally just a vague shape

[split mortar]

Horrible boobs demon

[light linden]

still don't get why brimmy was designed like that

[dusk laurel]

fabsol

[split mortar]

Woman

[light linden]

they serve no practical purpose

[wanton pendant]

Fabsol.

[wanton pendant]

Snake when he sees engravings:

[dusk laurel]

this is old calamity we're talking about

theres no good reason

[light linden]

I highly doubt brimmy can have a child

[dusk laurel]

so theres this concept

its known as weird people

[wanton pendant]

Was not expecting that response.

[dusk laurel]

and they want weird things

[light linden]

ik

although speaking of brimmy thing I've been wondering

y'all think it'd be accurate to describe calamitas as similar to a dnd warlock and braelor as similar to a dnd cleric?

[wanton pendant]

Wouldn't he be a Paladin?

[cedar path]

Braelor seems more like a paladin

[wanton pendant]

And don't Warlocks need a patron?

[cedar path]

Cal more of a sorcerer

[wanton pendant]

At most Calamitas is stealing it, assuming it even comes from the Elemental.

[light linden]

he gets his powers from a goddess, not an oath

[wanton pendant]

I'm sure an oath was made at some point in the process.

[split mortar]

Oaths give the power not a deity iirc

[cedar path]

He is also stupidly buff and has no spells above 5th level for sure

Thats a pali

[light linden]

we've never seen him in game

[wanton pendant]

Real.

[raven brook]

i think braelor would be closer to a cleric per dnd standards

cal idk she's weird

sorcerer is probablyt the closest thing but even then its not really accurate

[agile matrix]

braelor is, in my eyes, tanky healer

also how is calamitas not Necromancer or something similar

[raven brook]

per dnd standards

Necromancers are a wizard subclass, and i don't think cal really c ounts as a wizard

Wizards in DnD learn how to cast spells through alot of study, research and that sort of thing

Permafrost would be a wizard per DnD logic

[young socket]

warlock can also kinda work

[raven brook]

Kindaaa but even then its not a fully accure match

Cal just kinda

[young socket]

arguably work more due to the whole clone thing

[raven brook]

dosen't really fit any dnd classes i feel

[raven brook]

I mean in that case wouldn't calclone be the warlock

not really cal herself

calclone would be an artificer/warlock mix

[young socket]

yea and then cal would be a warlock of brimmy...

[raven brook]

I mean

From what we know

She stole her powers from brimmy

Which isn't really what warlocks do

Warlocks obtain their power from a magical being through a pact of sorts

And they can lose that pact

So if Brimmy had directly given the power to calamitas i could see it

but its not really the case idt

Yharim's just 20 levels of fighter fuck you

[young socket]

yea and cal didnt give calclone her powers on purpose

[raven brook]

I mean we dunno she might have

As a way to help her break free

[young socket]

i dont think shed purposefuly give her own clone the magic that melts your brain

[raven brook]

Could've been good intents with a unforseen consequence or even just,

Yeah this will kinda fuck you up Don't use it often but you will need to if oyu want to get out of here

[young socket]

also cal broke her free and calclone could just walk out so thered no point to give her powers afterwards

[raven brook]

Wouldn't throw the possibility out entirely

[raven brook]

Do we know how cal broke her free though

[young socket]

yes draedon says it

[split mortar]

Give clone non brain melting power

[raven brook]

Dosen't all Draedon say is that she sneaked in his lab

But not exactly how she did it

trying to find it

Soon after the project's underwhelming conclusion, security reports indicated that Calamitas herself broke into the laboratory that the clone was stored in and released it. Interestingly, it became capable of wielding a tiny fraction of her very own brimstone magic soon after. To this day, I ponder the implications of these events.

None of this explains how exactly she broke the clone free so

Wouldn't act so confidently that it is 100% impossible

That she willingly gave the clone a part of her powers

Whether as a way to help her break free or even just a way to make sure she can

actually survive

[young socket]

"Calamitas herself broke into the laboratory that the clone was stored in and** released it.**"

[raven brook]

Yeah?

That is not explaining How She Did That

It just says she did

I'm not saying it's impossible that it was accidental

I'm also saying that it's not impossible it was willing either

The entire point of that bit of dialogue is that Draedon himself can't tell what exactly happened beyond the fact Calamitas showed up, broke the clone free somehow, and now the clone has a bit of brimstone magic

[young socket]

he probably recorded the entire interaction cuz

yknow

he has a fuckton of cameras

so i think if cal gave calclone powers on purpose he wouldve seen that

[raven brook]

I mean we don't even know

What that would look like

We have no idea how the power transferring even works

Either from brimmy to cal or from cal to calclone

Idk why you're so deadset on this given the massive lack of info we have surrounding this topic

[split mortar]

Simple, shes tsupid

[young socket]

because calling one a warlock when the other isnt when they gain their powers in similar ways (suddenly after an encounter with stronger source of brimstone magic) is ?????

[raven brook]

Yeah because Calamitas could've willingly given it to her

It's not out of question

Meanwhile Brimstone Elemental giving her power willing to Calamitas is

I have no idea how you could possibly justify that lol

There ARE ways to justify the former but none that i can think of for the latter

[split mortar]

Calclone gay?

[young socket]

no

[raven brook]

I should kill melon gun

[young socket]

shes uhhh

shes calclone

[raven brook]

i should kill them violently

like absolutely destroy them

[split mortar]

Why D:

[raven brook]

kills you

[young socket]

you know why

[split mortar]

Is calclone trans

[dusk laurel]

💣

[young socket]

transitioned into a beard

[wanton pendant]

Transitioned into giant eyeball thing.

[normal mantle]

What do braelor and statis even do

Is it just to be gay and fail to jump yharim or do they do like anything else

[split mortar]

Statis is why polter exists iirc

[wanton pendant]

Braelor used to guard Vernal Pass.

[wanton pendant]

At least contributed to it.

[late veldt]

how so?

[wanton pendant]

Killed people.

In the Dungeon.

Dead people + Dungeon = Polterghast.

So Statis at least contributed to its creation.

[late veldt]

What was bro doing there

[wanton pendant]

Probably trying to save his allies.

[dusk laurel]

idk there were a bunch of onyx kinsmen in the dungeon

[wanton pendant]

Since, we know Onyx Kinsmen were in the Dungeon.

Bone Lee, for instance.

[dusk laurel]

^

[wanton pendant]

I don't think he saved that one.

[dusk laurel]

also its an oppurtunity to weaken one of yharim's strongholds

[wanton pendant]

That too.

[dusk laurel]

as mentioned before to free people but also weaken his presence in the region

and it worked because it eventually led to the dragon cult and yharim splitting

[wanton pendant]

And also the evil murder ghost.

[late veldt]

i see

[dusk laurel]

because he refused to do anything about polter and they got annoyed so they cut ties

[late veldt]

I always imagine the kinsmen as being somewhere completely else for some reason

[raven brook]

I mean that seems like a massive downplaying
Like they basically won against yharim, dude was nearly dead

If it wasn't for DoG ambushing them they would have won

And yeah Statis also killed a bunch of Yharim's soldiers in the dungeon

According to the bestiary dude was so good at the assasination biz that they didn't even

see who killed them in their last seconds

[light linden]

been wondering

what would permafrost think of the goblins?

[wanton pendant]

I remember seeing dialogue where he mentioned them that was planned.

Don't remember what he says on the matter.

[light linden]

since they use a unique form of magic and all

[raven brook]

I subscribe to the theory goblins made a pact with signus to be able to wield shadowflame

Iirc some signus-adjacent items have shadowflame ties

And it's Purple

and the Goblins that use it are

well

Goblin warlocks

What they gave him? i dunno!

but i think they got access to shadowflame from a pact with signus

plus it'd just be cool worldbuilding,

[young socket]

kills your theory

[raven brook]

to show more ways signus's pacts have affected people instead of just statis and the distortion escape route

[young socket]

read the new goblin entries and it seems like those that can use magic are essentially given better lives

because they typically struggle at magic

oh and also they put criminals into their army with promises of freedom

only 3 of their entries were changed so ig thats all we get to know for now

which ig if the other entries are unchanged, means theyre probably still true

and therefore they exile pacifists

oh and the shadowflame apparition entry is probably still true too and therefore means shadowflame magic is highly tied to the goblins ancenstry

[eager bluff]

i would think like

some time in the goblins past their ancestors made a pact with signus that idk they give him a chunk of the mana goblins innately have in exchange for their magic being concentrated more in a handful of stronger magic users

am i cooking or is this bullshit

[cedar path]

Youre actually cooking with that theory

[raven brook]

Can you post

Idt they're in the doc rn

[raven brook]

Maybe yeah

[raven brook]

They give their descendants mana in exchange for being able to use the power of shadowflame idk,,

[young socket]

if you need any of the vanilla entries u can see em here

https://github.com/CalamityTeam/CalamityModPublic/blob/12b440785ce2eaad43a59a042c1aab20eaf48f08/Localization/en-US/Mods.CalamityMod.Bestiary.Vanilla.hjson#L69

"MeteorHead: When meteorites strike the surface, their fragments lay scattered for the taking. Some pieces have a higher mana density, coming to life and attacking anything nearby."

mana is alive theory still kicking

[raven brook]

Seems all but confirmed atp

at the very least,

it can come alive

ri mean, thats how golems are born i imagine

world soul prob just a big ass ball of mana

[split mortar]

that would entail auric stuff is just mana which i think ehhhhh seems to be bit more fundamental or whatever the word is

[cedar path]

Astral infection is just mana bloating right? And it is stated to have a will, yeah?

[plucky juniper]

dont... call it mana bloating

😭

i much prefer the term "degenerate matter"

purely because a. that tracks with what it is described as

b. it references dead star matter

[untold forge]

Lmao

[cedar path]

I mean

[untold forge]

It had too much to eat and is bloatong

Bloating

[cedar path]

Stars fester and bloat smth smth

In the lore item

[plucky juniper]

im still confused on why its called degeneracy pressure

it makes sense when you're applying it to dead stars

[split mortar]

Yeah think so

[wanton pendant]

Well, it's like when people try to get you to do drugs...

[plucky juniper]

but wdym pressure that keeps protons from being crushed into paste is called "degeneracy"

[plucky juniper]

why did you share this here

[wanton pendant]

To torture you.

[plucky juniper]

what in tarnation is this

[wheat walrus]

Oreos wrapped in bacon

[hollow pivot]

Is that bacon-wrapped Hydrox?

[wheat walrus]

Oreos

Wrapped in bacon ya

[wanton pendant]

🇺🇸 🦅

[wheat walrus]

I disappear now

My work is doneere

[untold forge]

I really should look into this I used to study it

[untold forge]

No.

[plucky juniper]

what the fuck happened to the bacon

[wanton pendant]

🇺🇸 🦅

[hot fox]

?????????????????????

[dusk laurel]

this place is hell

[plucky lichen]

I love lore

[hollow pivot]

^MatPat

[dusk laurel]

haunts your chum

[wanton pendant]

Let me write for Calamity, I will give Skeletron a second sentence of lore.

[long bloom]

true

[plucky juniper]

hes a skeleton from the distortion

who just showed up in the dungeon one day, and the lunatic cultist decided to bind him to this one old doofus who slighted him

[wanton pendant]

Dude, don't leak my plans!

[hollow pivot]

Is Signus canonically a sort of Ferryman between the Distortion and Terraria?

[plucky juniper]

you cannot leak what is fact

[raven brook]

the distortion is actually the underground

theres skeletons there

when you go to the distortion the first thing you will hear is nyeh heh he a human

[plucky juniper]

only, you discover it and expound upon it sooner

[raven brook]

Wdym by ferryman exactly?

[long bloom]

signus is canonically a ????????????

[raven brook]

Cuz he can freely travel between the distortion and terraria, but he dosen't really actively take people from/to it from what we know

[hollow pivot]

Apparently he's a dealmaker, but the only deals I know of are ones the bring you between Distortion and Terraria.

[long bloom]

we have exactly one (1) example

[raven brook]

I mean we only know of

One deal

yeah 😭

And the bestiary strongly implies

[long bloom]

that is not enough data to make any conclusions

[raven brook]

that he can do Alot more with them

"any wish fullfilled" or whatever

ofc probably euphemism

but saying "any wish fullfilled" for

he can take you to the distortion

would be kinda silly innit

[hollow pivot]

What does Signus get in return? Is it simple loyalty?

[long bloom]

he likes eating human limbs

reportedly

(this is a joke)

but he did steal statis' arm and leg

[raven brook]

Well, it is a deal

He gets something, you get something

in Statis's case it seems like he inhabited his body

And had to take away one of his arms and legs to do that. i guess

Based on that one concept art

That idk if was meant to be public or not

Actually was it

[hollow pivot]

Wait did it literally cost Statis an arm and a leg?

[raven brook]

cxzier do you know

i dont remembe

[raven brook]

yeah

[raven brook]

not that one the like

shadow

the

evi shadow limbs one

[long bloom]

that's patreon only afaik

[raven brook]

i vaguely remember it being public but i might just be brainfarting

i dont even remember if ive seen it i might be mandela effecting and accidetanly just found out there actually was one

thats fucked up

[long bloom]

well i've never seen it outside of development highlights

[raven brook]

no dude genuinely this is fucked up

i think i just accidetanly leaked the existence of concept art through mandela effecting

what do i even do in this situation

[young socket]

no

reb once leaked it

[raven brook]

oh so THATS where

[long bloom]

not triangle??

[raven brook]

i remember it from

nvm

[young socket]

because she thought that triangle leaked it

[long bloom]

oh 😭

[raven brook]

Oh my god

full circle

anyways well

[hollow pivot]

full triangle*

[raven brook]

Signus inhabiting Statis's body in some way IS public info

And we DO know Statis lost an arm and a leg

so

i think dude just

[young socket]

no triangle leaked that statis will was partly taken by signus or smthn

[raven brook]

replaced those with his own

[young socket]

dont remember the exact wording

[raven brook]

Yeah he DID say this

but he didnt post the exact concept art

[young socket]

think it was like made him a host

[raven brook]

full triangle

truly

[hollow pivot]

So by killing Signus do we free Statis or just kill the sold limbs?

[raven brook]

Signus probably wanted a terrarian body, maybe to access Terraria directly or be able to do stuff undercover or something

[raven brook]

We probably won't kill Signus

[long bloom]

he wanted to be able to push old ladies down stairs more effectively

[raven brook]

True.

based signus

[plucky juniper]

we turn signus into ramen

[raven brook]

The fight with Sigma will be basically a deal of its own

[plucky juniper]

and then slurp him up

[raven brook]

You win, he completely gives up on his control of statis

You lose... he possesses you instead

[hollow pivot]

I thought we just killed vro like we do with every other creature.

[raven brook]

I mean

Draedon, Calamitas

[long bloom]

deus

[eager bluff]

kinda hard to kill signus

[hollow pivot]

We can kill both.

[raven brook]

also Astrum Deus and Cnidrion both have confirmed spare options in the future

Not really

Draedon is literally impossible to kill

[long bloom]

no

you can't

[eager bluff]

draedon? no
calamitas? also no she shows back up the next day

[raven brook]

And i mean you could say we can kill Calamitas as a town npc i guess but that's not really a Narrative moment it's just

video game

[hollow pivot]

Wait hold on ignore I forgot.

[raven brook]

She comes back the next day yeah 😭

i'm surprised they havn't

changed it to be like the angler

for all 3 named characters

so they just Leave

[long bloom]

oh true

also it'd be really funny if "killing" npc scal triggered her bossfight

[raven brook]

true

[hollow pivot]

And it forces engrage regardless of if you're in the arena.

[long bloom]

no that's for when you put her in the crags

biblical crashout

[hollow pivot]

What does that even mean?

[raven brook]

If you get her npc to 0 hp and make her libve in the crags all of her attacks kill you instantly

they all oneshot you

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

regardless of defense or dr

[eager bluff]

crashout so intense it is of biblical proportions

[hollow pivot]

I see.

[raven brook]

Astrum deus's fight isn't really supposed to end it in dying, you just cleanse it of it infection and it breaks free and returns to space peacefully

[long bloom]

worm shower

[raven brook]

Signus's fight will end in dude just being like. well a deal's a deal

And he just. leaves

[hollow pivot]

Terrarian is way nicer canonically than I thought.

[raven brook]

Congratulations Statis

[raven brook]

You have unlocked: Full autonomy of yourself! Yay!

[eternal veldt]

John terrarian that can kill bosses with the copper shortsword can beat xeroc fr fr

[hollow pivot]

Anti-1984?

[eternal veldt]

Old ahh meme

[eternal veldt]

Depends. Terrarian can be a tyrant or a hero depending on the players.

[hollow pivot]

Are multiple Terrarians specifically stated to be false like respawns are?

[plucky juniper]

i dunno

[eternal veldt]

I think there can be multiple

[long bloom]

no

[eternal veldt]

If they made multiplayer canon

Sad

Is calamity even optimized for multiplayer?

[long bloom]

pretty well

[hollow pivot]

I mean, I've only played multiplayer Calamity with something like 250-400 ping so Idk.

[eternal veldt]

I see. But im guessing singleplay is the main gameplay

[long bloom]

shrug

[eternal veldt]

Please go get better wifi 😭

[eternal veldt]

Well we can't really say that multiple terrarian can't be canon since the devs left out the terrarians lore up to us then

[hollow pivot]

This just happened every time I fought worm bosses.

[long bloom]

💀

[hollow pivot]

Not a Wifi issue my teammate is in a different hemisphere.

[eternal veldt]

😭

[eternal veldt]

Bro all the worm boss will have the eater of worlds perk

Not even true meelee could save bro

[hollow pivot]

Yeah, every hit disconnected a worm segment.

[eternal veldt]

Good news worm bosses will be as easy as eater of worlds. Bad news the head doesn't take more damage than the rest of the body.

[hollow pivot]

I don't know if it displaced hitboxes, I think it just moved the sprite.

[eternal veldt]

Yeah im just making a joke :3

[hollow pivot]

I see.

[pulsar ocean]

If multiplayer was canon I’d be yharim’s favorite terrarian

[hollow pivot]

Does the Defiled Greatsword have any relevancy to Yharim anymore?

[dusk laurel]

nop

[hollow pivot]

What about that old Defiled Greatsword that had an auric handle?

[eternal veldt]

You can still be yharim's favourite terrarian in single player

[long bloom]

whar

[hollow pivot]

I remember seeing concept art a while ago where the difference between our Defiled Greatsword and Yharim's was an auric handle.

[long bloom]

i have absolutely no recollection of such concept art ever existing

and i know for a fact yharim's sword doesn't have concept art after the lore rewrite

[hollow pivot]

Does he have a sword?

[long bloom]

yeah

we just have no idea what it looks like

[hollow pivot]

Yharim still looks like this though, right?

[long bloom]

afaik this is the only official art of his sword, and it's long been scrapped

[long bloom]

no

this was the most recent concept

but i think it's being revised at some point

[hollow pivot]

Why is he built like a hobbit now 😭

[long bloom]

idk

[split mortar]

He still like 9 foot

[long bloom]

yeah but he looks tupid

[split mortar]

Fair

[hollow pivot]

He still looks like a hobbit.

[agile matrix]

it still Floors me that Yharim does not have any form of spring in his heel

[split mortar]

Yharims far enough away that he will almost certainly get another redesign anyway

[agile matrix]

FLOORS me

this dude was infamous for tearing through the armies of many

and yet his armor is built like he's hacking and slashing

and not meant to Chase Down

[hollow pivot]

You mean like Raiden's high heels or like a genuine spring on his ankle?

[agile matrix]

specify which raiden

i know of two

Three, actually

[hollow pivot]

I am a Calamity fan I think you can deduce which one I refer to.

[agile matrix]

do you mean MGR or MK

[hollow pivot]

Metal Gear: Rising Raiden.

[hollow pivot]

His post-Prologue variant.

[agile matrix]

somewhat like that heel yeah

more Springs

less flatfoot

Raptorish

[hollow pivot]

Why did the amount of toes Yharim has change?

[agile matrix]

unrelated

yknow how they're basically always on the "ball" of their feet

Yharims fight style (from its minimal description (somehow???)) feels as if he should always be on the front of his foot, rather than all of it on the ground

[split mortar]

Used to be a lihzahrd
Idk why he has 3 in the new art

[hollow pivot]

Why does he have mis-matched shoes in new art?

[agile matrix]

they were mentioning my Raptor comparison

[split mortar]

?

[agile matrix]

diff perspectives i think

[long bloom]

it's just a weird angle

[agile matrix]

the side of his claw is round

imagine a burger's top profile vs its side profile

[split mortar]

Mfw angles exist and things look different at different angles

[agile matrix]

these are the same thing

similar vibes

[pulsar ocean]

Auric grenades?

[agile matrix]

i think those are auric flares/auric microrockets

[hollow pivot]

Power Cells methinks.

[long bloom]

no those are bombs

[pulsar ocean]

So I was right

Why didn’t they add those yet

[agile matrix]

well for one yharim doesnt exist yet

[pulsar ocean]

No

For the player

[split mortar]

Wait old lore yharim just had super bombs on command

[agile matrix]

i mean we have Shrimp on command

yharims allowed micro Supernovae on command

[split mortar]

Kozz ehat the fuck are you saying

[pulsar ocean]

Schizophrenia

[split mortar]

I see

[warm gull]

hots fireguy

[jaunty wraith]

Is yharim actually 9 feet or is his armor making him look way taller then he really is

[hollow pivot]

Hots Fireguy and Heats Flamesman have nothing to do with me.

[stiff berry]

you beat the worm to death for the love of the game

[bitter cave]

[twilit valley]

im new to this mod but i have alot of questions where was xeroc and noxus mentioned in the game items lore officially?

[long bloom]

xeroc is mentioned in prelude and requiem, and directly talks to you during boss rush
currently noxus is only vaguely alluded to like 4 times, never namedropped

[twilit valley]

Oh that makes sense ty

But is noxus canonically accepted by the devs?

[long bloom]

yes

they will be an actual character Eventually™

[twilit valley]

Ahh ok ty

Bec alot of YouTubers make thse lore ppts about xeroc and noxus but is pertained to the lore that is made up in the fandom wiki

and it kinda annoys me

[long bloom]

oh yeah don't trust youtubers for lore ever

[twilit valley]

do the devs msg sometimes here as well?

like i have a lot of questions pertaining lore

[long bloom]

if you want an actual good source, there's a pinned google doc fact checked by the devs that contains all publicly known lore, both in the game and not

[long bloom]

occasionally

[twilit valley]

Oooh suree where is it again?

[long bloom]

second pin

[twilit valley]

Ahh tyy

[sinful adder]

Every lore YouTuber is a liar. The names Xeroc and Noxus are real, but nothing on there about them should be trusted

[twilit valley]

Yup got it

@long bloom sorry to ping you but is this calamity animated lore playlist been fact checked ?

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVHYlvo24rRPe9eKhHUOm6NERdNO573fz&si=dR9bCPIG_iJa5ptb

[split mortar]

Thats years outdated

[long bloom]

all of that lore is true

for the old lore 3 years ago before the rewrite

everything is completely different now

[twilit valley]

ahhhh

[split mortar]

Used to be accurate years ago before the lore got entirely overhauled and new writers happened

[long bloom]

the second i saw "lore playlist" i somehow knew it was gonna be that

[twilit valley]

ahh i see so all the official lore making for calamity happened in this server am i right?

[long bloom]

the dev server probably

[twilit valley]

ahhh okok

[long bloom]

although there is a certain dev here that brainstorms new lore and accidentally leaks private lore way more than should be reasonable

[split mortar]

why these emotes

[long bloom]

2 orang

[split mortar]

Kills you

all four dif owni think

Ye

[long bloom]

in order

[split mortar]

No thanks

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

this but shroomble

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

[long bloom]

ozzabucks are canon. #real

[split mortar]

[twilit valley]

Oh damn

[split mortar]

Why are some emotes here emotes

[twilit valley]

another question is the goozma from hunt of the old gods gonna be canon?

[split mortar]

No

[long bloom]

no

[twilit valley]

im not sure if my question is correct

[split mortar]

No addons are canon

[twilit valley]

ahh

[split mortar]

Or will be canon

[long bloom]

who the fuck uses this bro

[split mortar]

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

[split mortar]

Also only vcmm is even official iirc all other addons fall under fanmade afaik

[long bloom]

this is true

[twilit valley]

ahh ok

[long bloom]

this also means vcmm is canon but the only lore you can derive is from the song titles

so not much

[twilit valley]

Ahh okok

[bleak trench]

How long yall think draedon and his exo mechanical trio would last in Philadelphia if we told told the crackheads that they have copper wires in them

[mighty zenith]

3 seconds

[feral skiff]

less than 5 minutes

[wanton pendant]

How is Mr. Beast surviving in this environment? Is he stupid?

[robust osprey]

where do scam bots scale in the cal verse

[dusk laurel]

what the hell

its still alive

[robust osprey]

10 mins and counting

it might set a new record

[wheat walrus]

@austere egret buddy

[long bloom]

use modmail tupid

[glacial rampart]

Yeah if you dont ping anyone or send a modmail it ends up sticking around big shock

[wheat walrus]

plpl

[wheat walrus]

ok tbf, bots usually get autonuked

so this is kinda weird

ig this one is weird though; posted only in 2 channels

i doubt it got nuked from the others either, else it'd be banned too presumably

[long bloom]

cmon fluffy i know you're here

[stoic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-bast-curse-of-ra-curse-pharaoh's-curse-silly-cat-gif-780702971204810824

[wheat walrus]

why are yall doing nothing 🥹

ok dude's banned now

the msg is in here and #suggestions-discussion

[long bloom]

banning doesn't auto delete?

[wheat walrus]

if you select it to do that

[stoic lark]

the bot normallly gets these ones beforethey can sit in chat now, this one didn't for whatever reason

[glacial rampart]

Mrbeast BETTER get me the new Dubai 67 labubu Clairo vinyl chocolate sports car!

[wheat walrus]

ya

[reef wigeon]

Primordial light primordial light(?

[wheat walrus]

plpl

[late veldt]

Is there a definite cause of Calamitas's facial scar I don't remember off of the top of my head

[feral skiff]

calamitas has a scar?

where’d you get that information from?

[stiff berry]

there is a scar in the middle of her face yea

[wanton pendant]

Look at her concept art.

[wanton pendant]

None has been given, last I checked.

[feral skiff]

oh

i forgot about the fact that calamitas even HAD concept art 😭

[plucky juniper]

imagine if calamitas's scar could for some reason open up into a scary eye

[wanton pendant]

Strange place for a human to have an eye.

[mighty zenith]

we need more stylized calamitas im tired of everyone drawing her like a generic anime girl

[wanton pendant]

I just want her drawn in a way that at least vaguely resembles her actual design.

[mighty zenith]

true!

[plucky juniper]

i dont think she's a normal human anyhow

[wanton pendant]

What does this mean?
Do you think she's Aquaman?

[plucky juniper]

if she's being sold housing in areas that will be underwater due to climate change, then yes

[wanton pendant]

I'm sure she won't mind Amidias as a roommate then.

[plucky juniper]

if not, i doubt it unless absolute aquaman just has an extra eyeball

[hollow pivot]

First of both, do you count magical powers as “normal”.
Second of both, I think that the Azafurians were regular humans which adapted to their environments iIrc.

[wanton pendant]

I mean, realistically it's the other way around.

[plucky juniper]

do you count insane magical prowess over the brimstone fire that was probably just absorbed from the Brimstone Elemental, who is said to be normally a lot stronger than her sisters by a lot, as normal

i jest about 3rd eye calamitas but itd be funny as an artwork

[wanton pendant]

I don't think it makes you grow extra eyes.

That if anything would be biomancy.

[split mortar]

Brimstone does not grant extra organs it applies mental health issues iirc

[wanton pendant]

Dryad should get extra eyes.
Keep giving her eyes until morale improves.

[plucky juniper]

brimstone, silva called, she wants her biomancy back

[hollow pivot]

Third eye?

[plucky juniper]

you heard me

[hollow pivot]

I thought biomancy was like, plant-bending? How is that sight-based?

[wanton pendant]

Humans are biological.

[split mortar]

Biomancy is controlling biological life
Including flesh
Eye is extra organ

[plucky juniper]

also, btw, your pineal gland was probably originally an atrophied third eye that instead evolved into a new endocrine organ

[wanton pendant]

I cast cheek eye upon ye.

[plucky juniper]

not intending this as a reason for 3eye calamitas, just letting ya know

[wanton pendant]

You're gonna have a fourth when I'm through with you.

[plucky juniper]

a lot of land-dwelling vertebrates still actually have this third (parietal) eye

[alpine cedar]

i was wondering how old is yharim ?

[light linden]

100+

[dusk laurel]

130 ish

[alpine cedar]

hmm thanks

he is human right ?

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[light linden]

yes but he was burned extremely badly

[alpine cedar]

ok thanks

[hollow pivot]

Yharim lives far longer than most because he was attuned and blessed by the Dragon of Rebirth (Yharon)

[dusk laurel]

attunement would help with that yeah

[wanton pendant]

He also hits the gym daily.

And allegedly commits food crimes like potatoes on pizza.

[normal mantle]

He probably stops aging at a certain point

Like after he bonded with yharon he probably stopped aging at all or it slowed like crazy

Do we have any idea how long the dragon era was? I’d assume dragons aged the same way

[dusk laurel]

no clue

it ended 850 years ago and is atleast older than recorded history (1800 years ago

[agile matrix]

yeah we can work backwards

[normal mantle]

I’d say dragons had to age normally-ish cause yharon had to perform rebirth outside of the war with fovos so dragons have to have died to natural causes atleast a few times

[agile matrix]

when did it end, presume all before that was Draconic

[normal mantle]

But at the same time some dragons (like gluttony) are useless chuds

So atleast a few auric dragons could have died to other things in terraria at the time

[wanton pendant]

Fairly certain the whole idea is that the dragons weren't immortal, that's why Yharon was so important.
Of course, we have no idea what their life spans could have been.
It's at least over a century for some, since Yharon has lived that long without dying in recent times.

[long bloom]

wait can you elaborate on this

[plucky juniper]

@long bloom

[long bloom]

yeah i read that but i would like to know more

[plucky juniper]

alr gimme a min

[neon quest]

yeah, it's a relic of when eyes were less advanced so we needed more of them to compensate iirc

[plucky juniper]

actually i dunno

okay the pineal gland still exists in parietal eye organisms

it just happens to be where the parietal eye is connected to

its used largely to help the pineal gland in that respect

[neon quest]

yeah, but modern parietal eyes are largely vestigial

[plucky juniper]

mainly regulating circadian rhythm

the parietal eyes are really simple when it comes to eyes

they probably werent ever really big eyeballs, although im judging this purely from what i remember of fossils of early vertebrates and stuff

[neon quest]

the last lineages to have like, meaningfully functional ones that were used to actually meaningfully see shit are groups like early tetrapods, ostracoderms, placoderms, etc

[wanton pendant]

Really big eyeballs? You could make a boss out of this... and like, four more.

[neon quest]

they weren't huge but they did used to be bigger and more functional

[plucky juniper]

also another fun eye fact

some jellyfish have really developed eyes

despite not really having a brain

i

[neon quest]

they became largely irrelevant and performing mostly small functions as you said as vision advanced over time.. except lampreys, which re-evolved the goddamn things

[plucky juniper]

i am not joking about this

also apparently lampreys and an extinct monitor lizard relative have TWO PARIETAL EYES

[neon quest]

so lampreys literally have eyes in the back of their head

yeah

[wanton pendant]

Just like Daisy from Mario...

[plucky juniper]

most vertebrates form their parietal eyes from the pineal gland, but lepidosaurs (thats lizards and tuataras) form theirs from the parapineal organ, which

im not actually sure what that is

so yeah anyways

yharon having four eyes is not actually far off from reality

[wanton pendant]

Heartwarming: Immortal dragon is realistic.

[heavy zenith]

Torch Dragon or what

[wanton pendant]

That would require Torch God to have obtained the Terminus.

[heavy zenith]

wait what

[wanton pendant]

What?

[plucky juniper]

well, i reckon he'd be one to obtain the terminus

[wanton pendant]

We all know that Torch God is really Xeroc, obviously.

What is the sun, but a giant torch?

[heavy zenith]

Torch God implies Torch Dragon no?

[wanton pendant]

No.

[heavy zenith]

O

[wanton pendant]

Unless Torch God got the Terminus.

It implies that there wasn't a Torch Dragon.

[heavy zenith]

The Terminus is needed to Ascend? Didn't know that

[wanton pendant]

No, only to perfect ascend.

Read my documents.

[heavy zenith]

oh. nvm

[chilly plinth]

okay calamity has lore?

[long bloom]

soul stone theory shot dead in sscls

[long bloom]

quite a lot

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[chilly plinth]

yeah i can see that

[long bloom]

have you never read the lore items dropped by bosses

or the bestiary

[wanton pendant]

I worked hard on that. We spent most of the budget on the name.

[chilly plinth]

some of those yeah,but as it turns out theyve been changed

[chilly plinth]

replies to that.

[wanton pendant]

Wrong reply I think.

[chilly plinth]

yeah mb

[wanton pendant]

Anyway, ask lore questions.

[chilly plinth]

never opened ctually

[wanton pendant]

One of us tells the truth, the other probably also tells the truth.

[long bloom]

💔 💔 💔

[chilly plinth]

since when calamitas are not eyeballs,and who the f is draedon

[long bloom]

oh

oh dear

[wanton pendant]

When they resprited her, Draedon was Yharim's engineer.

He built the mech bosses, Exo Mechs, the Plague and Calamitas Clone.

[long bloom]

calamitas hasn't been an eyeball since like
2018

and draedon has been a character since 1.0

probably

[chilly plinth]

can i ask him for yharims stimulant,that thing was cool

[long bloom]

sadly they got divorced

[chilly plinth]

well yeah,but ive never like...thought who the f is he

[wanton pendant]

Gun Bees were the last straw.

[long bloom]

creator of the exo mechs
and regular mechs
and astrum aureus
and calclone

[umbral shuttle]

im allowed to talk about headcanons in here am i? just wanna make sure before someone gets pissy at me

[long bloom]

and the plague

[agile matrix]

and a lot of weaponry

and Yharims armor

[wanton pendant]

Is it an actual headcanon or fanfiction. Either way it's technically fine.

But like, if it's something traumatic...

[umbral shuttle]

oh no nothin that low

[wanton pendant]

(People have posted some... horrific fanfiction.)

[chilly plinth]

okay i got it,he created a lot,but how,why,and is he a human or what

[wanton pendant]

Robot.

He really loves science.

[chilly plinth]

who created him

[wanton pendant]

He will do anything for science.

[wanton pendant]

Unknown.

[long bloom]

john science

[wanton pendant]

Whoever it is is long dead.

See what I said by probably the truth.

[chilly plinth]

no way,a brother of john dead cells

[umbral shuttle]

and its not fanfic but i just came up with just the scenario when the player beats yharim they have a "i can fix her" moment

but seeing how far gone yharim is i wonder how that would play out lmfao

[wanton pendant]

That's, like, the opposite of how names work.

[wanton pendant]

He'd rather kill himself.

[long bloom]

wrong. brother of john wulfrum

[young socket]

it wouldnt

[chilly plinth]

huh

[young socket]

yharim cant be fixed because hes genuinely delusional

[umbral shuttle]

😭 insane

[chilly plinth]

yharim is just a funny bird with a cool theme where a man sings and weird looking hurricanes

[wanton pendant]

Where's the 'I think we gotta kill this guy Steven,' comic?

[wanton pendant]

That's Yharon.

[chilly plinth]

oh,bruh

[umbral shuttle]

that one smiling friends scene "this guys too far and we can fix him" (forgot how the line went)

[long bloom]

helpful chart

[chilly plinth]

then who the f is yharim,i know that his steroids were good

[young socket]

yhar him yhar dragon

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is basically golden Hitler, and Yharon is furry Himmler.

[young socket]

very easy way to remember it

[chilly plinth]

thats...a joke boss from gfb no?

[long bloom]

no???

what

[wanton pendant]

The joke is that it's Yharim with googly eyes.

[chilly plinth]

i love him already

[long bloom]

oh

the lorde

[agile matrix]

still cannot get over his no.1 side hand is named Himmler

[wanton pendant]

Calamity clearly took notes.

Some real Mario and Wario shenanigans going on.

[chilly plinth]

okay,who is luxor and why his gift is so weird looking now

[umbral shuttle]

i dunno i just thought of that hc cuz i really like happy endings and wanted to share 🥀

[wanton pendant]

Luxor is the name of a video game.

Which is named after a real city.

[long bloom]

yharim's literally killed billions

[wanton pendant]

It is not a figure in the lore.

Yharim had a civilian murder division.

[chilly plinth]

okay,is mgr canon in calamity universe?

[chilly plinth]

why

[long bloom]

because he's absurdly racist

[wanton pendant]

Of course not.

[long bloom]

no 😭

[wanton pendant]

Racism.

[chilly plinth]

so why a dude named sam can use a weapon from hell?

[wanton pendant]

That Easter Egg was removed years ago.

[long bloom]

that was removed years ago

yeah

[wanton pendant]

And that sword canonically doesn't exist.

[long bloom]

blatant references are non canon

[chilly plinth]

yeah no

okay

what race yharim targeted

[long bloom]

gods

[chilly plinth]

there were billions of gods?

[wanton pendant]

And the religious.

[wanton pendant]

No, probably close to a couple thousand.

[long bloom]

no he just also killed every god worshipper

[wanton pendant]

Like, 2 thousand.

Give or take.

[chilly plinth]

i mean,in any way,gods are never good

so kinda based no?

[long bloom]

incorrect

[wanton pendant]

Racist.

[long bloom]

see: otonilou

she was basically a saint

[chilly plinth]

yeah but still

and where do i see it

[long bloom]

she's mentioned once in the bestiary and once in draetalk(?)

[wanton pendant]

You can't just label everyone in a group as evil due to what they physically are.

[chilly plinth]

okay from what i found on wiki

[long bloom]

oh no

[chilly plinth]

okay chill

its rancor description

[wanton pendant]

Is it the actual wiki?

[long bloom]

oh

[wanton pendant]

And not the fanfic wiki, or the vandalized wiki?

[long bloom]

yeah it's extremely obvious yharim lied about that

[chilly plinth]

i believe so?

[long bloom]

he just made shit up

[hollow pivot]

Unfortunately, this is what Yharim looks like now.

[long bloom]

yes i know

[chilly plinth]

BRO i dont know who the f azurfire is,or otonisomething,i just know that supreme witch is a witch and she is supreme,and yharim looks dope as f and has nice steroids

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is explicitly saying he lied there.

[chilly plinth]

oh and he killed gods

[chilly plinth]

well,for the greater good no

[long bloom]

i implore you to read the document in the second pin if you would like to learn about the lore

[eager bluff]

no

[wanton pendant]

Azafure was a city state, Otonilou was a god he made Calamitas murder at 16 years old.

[wanton pendant]

HE MADE A CHILD MURDER EVERYONE IN AN ENTIRE COUNTRY!

[long bloom]

[eager bluff]

he almost flat says hes in it because of the dragons not because of any greater purpose

[chilly plinth]

i mean,he had his reasons

[wanton pendant]

His reasons were a dragon told him to.

[eager bluff]

yes his reasons being he is racist

[wanton pendant]

And the dragon didn't even tell him to, he did that on his own.

[chilly plinth]

well,who are dragons

[wanton pendant]

Yharon.

[hollow pivot]

She wasn't really forced to, more manipulated into destroying Ilimeris. Unless I misinterpreted it.

[chilly plinth]

i get it

but

like

[long bloom]

yharon is also absurdly racist

[chilly plinth]

are they like enemies with gods or no?

[wanton pendant]

There is one dragon.

The rest are dead.

[long bloom]

^^^^^

[eager bluff]

the only one left is

[wanton pendant]

A dragon dies to create a god.

Of course, there are evil dragons.

Like Yharon.

[eager bluff]

dragons are not a monolithic entity in the same way gods and humans are not monolithic entities

no 2 can be said to be identical in all ways

[long bloom]

and there are evil gods, like providence
also good gods like silva and tyrian

nuance

[young socket]

no actually theyre a very organised group so we should kill all gods actually :/

[long scaffold]

“I’m not gonna force you but like they’re the reason for everything bad in this world like yeah I’m not forcing you but the world’s gonna be destroyed and you’re gonna die if you don’t just saying but again entirely your choice just know they killed your family and friends and home and will kill you”

[chilly plinth]

true

[hollow pivot]

Where does it say she was threatened in lore?

[wanton pendant]

It's more so a 'See that goddess? She killed your family, destroyed your home, and took everything you ever loved away from you. Aren't you going to put down such an evil goddess and her followers?'

[eager bluff]

nowhere but we can infer she was (however unlikely that is)

[long scaffold]

Idk, I was just making a joke
I meant killed as in Illemeris would kill her btw

Probably should’ve clarified, heh

[chilly plinth]

okay guys

ive read start of lore

i mean

yharon is not that bad

[wanton pendant]

Yharon incited a genocide.

[chilly plinth]

like yeah he is kinda bad,but he geniunely had reasons

[chilly plinth]

the same did gods

[eager bluff]

having reasons doesnt make an abhorrent action less abhorrent

[long bloom]

not really no

[spare pier]

Shocker: Retaliating genocide with genocide is bad, actually

[wanton pendant]

If the solution to genocide was more genocide... the global population would be quite a bit lower.

[long bloom]

also that

[eager bluff]

once again gods arent a monolithic entity

[chilly plinth]

kinda yeah?

[eager bluff]

they arent all grouped together

[chilly plinth]

dragons got kinda wiped

[long bloom]

gods were not an organized group
they were individual people doing shit

[chilly plinth]

cuz of power hungry not-really-gods mfers

[eager bluff]

in the same way when hunting dodos to extinction it wouldnt be considered a genocide

[long bloom]

whar

[wanton pendant]

They're gods now.

[long scaffold]

At least he didn’t tell Yharim to kill civilians
he did it anyway but still

[chilly plinth]

well,there is something about perfect and not perfect ascension

[wanton pendant]

He stayed on Yharim's side though, and they're super best friends™.

[eager bluff]

it wasnt an organized thing, it was a bunch of individuals

[wanton pendant]

Yes, and they become gods in both cases.

[eager bluff]

that only refers to how the domain is transferred

[long bloom]

imperfectly ascending still makes you a full god

[eager bluff]

not with how much of a "real" god you are

[patent sky]

Who in the current mod would be the most likely to break the fourth wall

[spare pier]

I mean even semantics aside, again

[patent sky]

Food for thought

[wanton pendant]

Lunatic Cultist.

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.

[patent sky]

That makes so much sense

[chilly plinth]

but whats the difference between perfect and not perfect

[wanton pendant]

Whether you get the power of the dragon or not.

[long bloom]

imperfectly ascending changes the domain you get

[eager bluff]

if you inherited the same domain the dragon you killed had or not

[chilly plinth]

oh

got it

but still

u kill a dragon for it

[wanton pendant]

So Providence killed Dragon of Flame.
And became Goddess of Ash.

[chilly plinth]

so kinda yharon is justified lol

[long bloom]

nuance

[spare pier]

Perfect ascension transfer the domain of the dragon intact

Imperfect ascension makes so the domain is changed according to your character

[wanton pendant]

But Silva got the Dragon of Life.
And became Goddess of Life.

[eager bluff]

no

he isnt

[patent sky]

Domain…

[chilly plinth]

yeah lol?