lore-discussion

[agile matrix]

oh what the hell

[robust osprey]

if theyre not retconned for some reason I dont know they'll most likely be added with the od rework

[hollow pivot]

Chat, if the Wyverns are descendants of Vetrasyl, what if the Pigrons/Fishrons are descendants of Gloomborf? This is because gluttony is often associated with pigs, and we know that Pigrons and Fishrons have draconic heritage. But this could also mean that Gloomborf might look like a Pigron/Fishron.

[fleet wedge]

Gloomborf for the win

Can someone please send this Silva "tupid" meme here?

[split mortar]

Idk if triangles plans are gonna be used but if they are then duke fishron and pigrons are from frost dragon

[limpid saddle]

sorry bro i only got amidias decaying corpse

[split mortar]

Also thatd put gloomborf as weaker then probably most of its offshoots😭

[eternal veldt]

No one can change my mind im going to turn that chicken into KFC

[split mortar]

That was like five days ago

[eternal veldt]

Not in the new update it won't

[long bloom]

guy who replies to a 5 day old message

[sinful adder]

Cute...

[eternal veldt]

Honestly all im seeing is a burnt tree

[long bloom]

whar

[eternal veldt]

Wwait no not what i meant

[split mortar]

Whar

[eternal veldt]

Bruh i meant like calamitas burning her jeez

[long bloom]

calamitas didn't burn her

[sacred pilot]

She is in the Abyss.

[long bloom]

she probably never even saw her

[sacred pilot]

She is non-flammable as non-flammable can go.

[long bloom]

yharim chopped her up and tossed her in the sulphur sea

[eternal veldt]

Crazy imagine we have to find all her peices like a jigsaw puzzle. "Ahhh shit. That doesn't look right"

[long bloom]

nah she goopified

[eternal veldt]

Still alive though?

[long bloom]

comatose but technically yes

not even comatose more like braindead

[wanton pendant]

It's like she lost her frontal lobe... in some kind of bite...

[sacred pilot]

The goop.

[eternal veldt]

That doesn't make sense if choped up. Is she just recovering from the head and doesn't need the rest of her body?

[long bloom]

she can't die at all

as long as nature exists, she does

[wanton pendant]

Elementals are immortal.

Like Yharon.

[eternal veldt]

But does she need the rest of her body or can she recover like deadpool

[long bloom]

deadpool

[wanton pendant]

Probably more like Wolverine but slower.

[long bloom]

she can just grow a new one

the only way to permanently kill an elemental is to completely eradicate all of their element from terraria

which for silva, would mean ending all life

including yourself

kinda counterintuitive

[split mortar]

-# and maybe even the other elementals

[wanton pendant]

Which, granted, is probably the easiest one.

[long bloom]

so tossing her in the abyss is the next best thing to get rid of her for any significant amount of time

which is why it's happened more than once

[eternal veldt]

That bird is gonna die the moment we get access to the aerie

[split mortar]

Doubt it, elementals are alive

[wanton pendant]

How?

[eternal veldt]

Im gonna have KFC

[wanton pendant]

He'll just reincarnate again.

[split mortar]

Cant access the background smh my head

[long bloom]

how will you locate and destroy yharon's soul

[eternal veldt]

Infinite access to food

[split mortar]

Yeah like every decade

[sacred pilot]

500. S&W Bone Collector.

That or we lock him in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

[eternal veldt]

I wonder if you would evolve by just eating yharon LMAO

[long bloom]

no

[split mortar]

Why would you thats not how evolution works

[sacred pilot]

That's not how it works.

[long bloom]

do you mean ascend

if so, still no

[split mortar]

Cause thats also no

[eternal veldt]

Mutate or die due to lacking nutritions

[eternal veldt]

No

[long bloom]

he's just a dragon

not a nuclear terror

[split mortar]

Why would you mutate and dying of nutrition i would think would take a while since the egg has the stuff needed to grow a whole dragon

[sacred pilot]

How would Yharon taste like?

[eternal veldt]

Die if he's the only one you eat cuz that would mean you don't have the other nutritions you would need from other food.

[long bloom]

i think he'd taste like yharon

[split mortar]

About yharon in taste

[sacred pilot]

Fair enough.

[eternal veldt]

As for evolution if he is the only one you eat if you keep hunting him enough or his your main food source im sure your children would evolve to more efficiently hunt him down.

Would take millions of years though but hey. The mf immortal

[eternal veldt]

Wait would you mutate if all you eat is from the sulphuric sea?

[long bloom]

most likely

plutonium is bad for your health i hear

[sacred pilot]

Nuclear Terror ate too many bananas that's how it became the Nuclear Terror.

[long bloom]

[eternal veldt]

It's better than having the wulfrum as your main food source ig

[wanton pendant]

Someone isn't Dwarfmaxxing.

[long bloom]

that is metal.

[eternal veldt]

Exactly :3

I thought the cyborg would appreciate it but he seems offended when i handed him a wulfrum meal

I even hunted them myself 🥀

[long bloom]

that would be like me giving you a rotting fish

[eternal veldt]

💔

[sacred pilot]

Untrue I have a friend who eats Plutonium.

[eternal veldt]

Microwaved banana

[reef wigeon]

Hello

Good morning

Hola

Saludos

How are you guys?

[kindred mountain]

So sorry for my spelling of names here. So yharim hates the gods because they killed the dragons… makes sense but uhh why is he the narrator and why do we fight him. Seems like a noble cause

[wanton pendant]

He is trying to manipulate you.
Why you fight him is up to you.
Not all gods were evil.

Also, and I cannot stress this enough, he targeted civilians and used child soldiers.

[reef wigeon]

He follows the basic logic of "gods are bad for killing dragons, which were good." But if the dragons weren't entirely good in the first place, the whole argument falls apart

[sacred pilot]

His killcount is in the hundreds of millions.

His Crusade did more bad than good.

[wanton pendant]

He personally killed hundreds of thousands if I remember right.

[kindred mountain]

40 year crusade and creating the wall of flesh

[reef wigeon]

Like brimstone flame bomb

[wanton pendant]

105-6 year crusade.

[kindred mountain]

105?

[wanton pendant]

Yes, Yharim is over 130.

[split mortar]

Not all dragons were good and not all gods were bad
Piss hitler cares not for that and killed almost all gods and their followers anyways

[kindred mountain]

Oh wait was it 30-40 when he first met the devourer?

[wanton pendant]

No, when he met Yharon.

We don't know when he met Devourer.

Crusade started same day he met Yharon.

[reef wigeon]

Yharon and Dogma are the true villains of the story

(joke)

[split mortar]

?? He met yharon before the crusade

[kindred mountain]

Right they got thrown into hell or smth then we’re like “hey let’s be roommates and kill dieties”

[wanton pendant]

And they were roommates...

[wanton pendant]

I... said that.

[split mortar]

This says he met yharon 30-40 years ago

[wanton pendant]

Melon Gun please read the next two lines.

[split mortar]

I did
Still first line incorrect

[reef wigeon]

How did Yharim feel after remembering that Xeroc comes after Silva:

[wanton pendant]

I thought they were rerferring to the age of Yharim.

[split mortar]

Ah ok
That’s still wrong tho

[kindred mountain]

Wait does the player fight xerox? I didn’t think so?

[wanton pendant]

Not yet.

[reef wigeon]

We will

[split mortar]

Xeroc is planned to be a post game superboss that we dont kill

[reef wigeon]

We will not kill him tho

[kindred mountain]

I’m not gonna lie I came for the music but calamity is very cool and fun and an actually in depth mod

It has a lot of care behind it

[reef wigeon]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Especially the non fabsolian bosses and newer weapons yeah its cool

[quasi ginkgo]

Just how big are the lore accurate? Cause i cant tell if my models are smaller or not

[reef wigeon]

Just remember
terRarIaN YoU 1

tHaT yU !!!1!1!!

[wanton pendant]

Best to just use in-game size as a best metric.
It's not perfect for everything but it's fine enough for them.

[kindred mountain]

In base game is the moon lord still an otherworldly being that got its head smashed in and then got locked in the moon?

[split mortar]

They would be as big as they are ingame afaik
Each pixel is like 3 inches iirc

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[kindred mountain]

Wth

[split mortar]

Yeah

[kindred mountain]

Kay

[split mortar]

Terrarian has been amidaisd a bit

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian is like, six foot for reference.

[quasi ginkgo]

alright thx

[split mortar]

Aint terrarian smaller then 3 blocks

[wanton pendant]

Rounding.

[kindred mountain]

Wait who trapped moon lord

[wanton pendant]

Dragons.

[split mortar]

Auric dragons

[wanton pendant]

With Auric Souls.

[reef wigeon]

You could also use Solyn, I assume they're the same size lmao

[kindred mountain]

Spicy ore

[reef wigeon]

And Auric Aura.

[quasi ginkgo]

Isnt lore accurate thanatos is around 103 segments long?

[kindred mountain]

Thanos

[wanton pendant]

And that's in-game.

[quasi ginkgo]

oml its gonna take a while to make this guy in 3d

[kindred mountain]

Why do we fight the eye in the first place?

[wanton pendant]

Which?

There's a whole bunch of eyes.

[kindred mountain]

Eye of Cthulhu

[wanton pendant]

It's a big monster trying to murder you.

[kindred mountain]

Fair

I just don’t know when we decide yharim needs to die

[wanton pendant]

Whenever you do.

[kindred mountain]

Fair enough

Woke up and decided to solo the literal strongest beings in the universe I guess

[scenic olive]

im turning yharim into a summon

[kindred mountain]

Legendary

[scenic olive]

gonna send his corpse for draedon to turn him into a robot

[wanton pendant]

No, that's for Melee.

[wanton pendant]

'Thank you Terrarian. This will further my Plague research.'

[scenic olive]

Draedon my goat

[kindred mountain]

Jokes on you why would I make the terrablade if I can make the terratoilet

[scenic olive]

speaking of machinery

can we exhume Draedon arsenals yet?

or it is not gonna be a thing

[wanton pendant]

Was it ever claimed to be?

[kindred mountain]

Oh god I accidentally clicked on the fandom… why is nothing actually canon there?

[mighty zenith]

if wiki.gg is a well-kept and clean bridge then fandom is the foundation people vandalize with graffiti

[kindred mountain]

Who on earth is Steve

Why is he here lol

Oh that’s final calamity

Nvm

[feral skiff]

Human.. I remember you’re.. calamities..

[wanton pendant]

Jack Black I hear.

[reef wigeon]

Master Albert, upon seeing that Xeroc is just mountain tier:

[gentle osprey]

why is no one discussing about the lore?

[wanton pendant]

Ask questions.

[gentle osprey]

no I got an idea instead

I remember heard everyone said they changed the cultist lore

they make him become a good guy isn't it?

or maybe make him look like it

[wanton pendant]

No, he's still a bad guy.

Just a bad guy preventing Armageddon.

[split mortar]

The guy keeps the seal keeping ml away functioning but still sided with piss hitler in using their library dungeon place for hell torture

[gentle osprey]

well never mind forget it

[gentle osprey]

hey hear me out, this is just my thought about his character, instead him keeping the moonlord away, what if he is the one that wanted to consume moonlord is power instead...

[wanton pendant]

No, that's not his goal.

Not since the rewrite.

[gentle osprey]

but later in the story

[wanton pendant]

Goes against his character.

[gentle osprey]

after he know about consuming god is soul make them become a god

[wanton pendant]

No it doesn't.

[mighty zenith]

Moon Lord doesn't have an auric soul

[young socket]

plus lc already knows that

[split mortar]

The guy might see that as heretical since yknow dragon worshiper idk if using the power of The Guy Who Killed The Dragons would be liked

[gentle osprey]

since the mod story is different from the vanilla, I can picture the moonlord we fight in the game was actually the cultist in a incomplete form of moonlord after he took whatever that is...

[wanton pendant]

???

[split mortar]

What

[wanton pendant]

Not at all...

[split mortar]

Thats just not the case

[gentle osprey]

look

[wanton pendant]

That makes no sense.

[gentle osprey]

it just my thought

I wanna share alright

why it is so hard to letting people understanding my point

[wanton pendant]

Because it doesn't really make any sense.

[gentle osprey]

my point right here is just like a side story of his character

[mighty zenith]

i mean, that's basically just your fanfiction

which is fine

[gentle osprey]

yep you can call that

[mighty zenith]

as long as you don't treat it as fact

[gentle osprey]

no, never

why would I go against that?

[mighty zenith]

[gentle osprey]

I really want to hear your thought

what were you think about my comment?

[wanton pendant]

You are proposing that two different opposing characters are actually the same person by a process that would require one character to go against their characterization.

[gentle osprey]

yeah guess you are right, because when I first thought about that the cultist was still a bad guy, I mean he still but not him being the one that prevent the whatever like you said

[woeful karma]

artemis is 24.75 feet high and 18.75 feet wide in phase 1
apollo is 24.75 feet high and 22.5 feet wide in phase 1

[raven brook]

You have a repeated pattern of saying people "don't understand your point" when really

they do they just think it's not a good point man

This is the same thing that happened last time

[woeful karma]

if you need a height reference here, draedon in his chair is 13.25 feet from the top of his hump to the bottom of the chair

[raven brook]

did u actually calculate that .

[woeful karma]

yeah

[raven brook]

scary

[dusk laurel]

😨

[woeful karma]

i had a height for draedon standing up in my docs but not one for him sitting down

smh

[raven brook]

draedon is 5

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's child soldier program is getting out of hand.

[dusk laurel]

i thought you said chud soldier for a sec

[woeful karma]

same thing

[patent sky]

Is draedon a chud?

[wanton pendant]

No...

[woeful karma]

who isnt a chud

[dusk laurel]

(water add me back to the doc gc...)

[wanton pendant]

Noted.

[mighty zenith]

chudlamity

[wanton pendant]

Can we as the people ban mods?

[raven brook]

do you want to be turned into a chud again

[woeful karma]

only if your votes count more if youre a patron

[wanton pendant]

Please have mercy.

[woeful karma]

chud beam RAPIDLY approaching your location

[raven brook]

ha. hahahah

Chudson20

[cedar path]

this is blatant abuse of power

[dusk laurel]

entering chudmart

[wanton pendant]

[raven brook]

I don't think it's as good as ChuddyChudChudding

but nothing can beat that one its too good

[wanton pendant]

I will use you as pigfeed.

[dusk laurel]

horrible

[split mortar]

Ok chudson20

[dusk laurel]

wait... i like that word

horrible hog

[wanton pendant]

Now I'm angry...
Angry? I think I like that name...
Yes... I am Angry Birds.

[cedar path]

mods, multiply him by 0

[woeful karma]

mods, multiply him by 1

you are the same but a process has occurred 👻

[dusk laurel]

spooky 😨

[wanton pendant]

Mods, execute order 65.

[patent sky]

What about execute order 67…

[dusk laurel]

get outta here

🍅

[hoary cape]

Instruction unclear sending in the flood

[fleet wedge]

Thanks

[pulsar ocean]

Why aren’t you a chud anymore

[light linden]

@spare pier got time for a question?

[wanton pendant]

Never was.

[young socket]

okay chuderchudthchudding

[spare pier]

What's it?

[light linden]

have you thought about where yharim forged his armor and sword?

I had a convo about it last night and

[spare pier]

Yeah but I'm not gonna enter in detail about that

[light linden]

ik he had to do it himself but I feel like-

oh ok

not public info?

[patent sky]

Nidavellir

[wanton pendant]

Don't tell anyone I showed you this.

[light linden]

that is netherite

[wanton pendant]

Imagine it's yellow.

[light linden]

anyways

I do think it'd be interesting if we could find the place he made his sword and armor some day

be it in the aerie or in the world

[pulsar ocean]

wasnt it draedon

[light linden]

draedon can't

[split mortar]

Draedon only added the exo tech

[pulsar ocean]

why dont we nicely ask draedon to add miracle matter to our auric suit

[light linden]

I do want exo auric armor as the end game armor tbh

like post yharim

[pulsar ocean]

why would we want only exo armor when miracle matter is right there

[feral skiff]

we have defeated yharim, and then we BECOME the yharim

[pulsar ocean]

embrace the yhar

[feral skiff]

out with the old, in with the new

[light linden]

miracle matter is like

turbo radioactive

[pulsar ocean]

okay but like

the weapons are good

i dont see why we couldnt make armor

[light linden]

the weapons are just made from shoving weapons in with the turbo radiation

[agile matrix]

post exos transformer upgrade thats made of miracle matter

[raven brook]

post exos poop block upgrade thats made of miracle matter

[dusk laurel]

hello redigit

[raven brook]

haha

poop

[wanton pendant]

Post-Scrumbler Perplor upgrade that's made of Golindium Ingots.

[agile matrix]

bafflingly, combining the confoundingly dangerous molecular anomaly with another ridiculously dangerous atomic anomaly somehow made the former far more effective at not killing you and killing everyone else

source: draedon i guess

[dusk laurel]

using auric bars to stabalize the depleted exo prism goop with various other bs mixed in

[agile matrix]

99 times out of 100 this wouldve never worked

fortunately, it only needed to work once

[dusk laurel]

this is one of the recipes of all time (please kill half of these ingredients they shouldnt exist 😭)

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian fact!
YOU! love to gamble, and thus throw this stuff in a pile and pray.

[cedar path]

Life alloy, ASE and Galacticas all dying eventually

[dusk laurel]

life alloy is just 3 random metals that are combined for some reason, galactica shouldnt have existed and now has even less reason to exist, and ase will face judgement

[agile matrix]

what items will even exist

[patent sky]

Then wtf is happening to the stuff they’re used to craft?

[agile matrix]

theyre gonna need Exodium Clusters atp

[wanton pendant]

You, Calamity player, we'll still have you to craft with.

[cedar path]

ASE will be replaced with Distortion materials eventually

Keep in mind

This is all far in the future

[dusk laurel]

these items all have items that are used to make them

[agile matrix]

ohh right

distortion

[raven brook]

im p sure galactica singularity was decided to be kept..?

atleast for now

[agile matrix]

i gotta write out my vision for distortion

[cedar path]

I did say eventually

[patent sky]

I just know a lot of post dog stuff needs some of those

[raven brook]

purple land

[agile matrix]

on top of all the other stufd i wanna write

[wanton pendant]

Is it purple?

[raven brook]

with rocks on it

WE, yes WE love purple empty void distortion with floating gray rocks

[dusk laurel]

i love my empty and boring space land

this is what calamity needs

[cedar path]

Look jokes aside Distortion will have purple in it

[agile matrix]

purple blue and sometimes orange/black, black/blue, or orange/yellow

[patent sky]

Is that just the pokemon distortion realm?

[cedar path]

Cant escape it

[dusk laurel]

yes but it wont be the only color

[wanton pendant]

Daring today, are we?

[agile matrix]

i mean i work in basises

[cedar path]

Anyway lore

Ravager sad

[agile matrix]

is ravager capable of emotion other than primal fury

[dusk laurel]

well its a zombie, unless you mean the lore is sad

[cedar path]

I meant the lorr

[dusk laurel]

thumby

[long bloom]

killing myself

[scenic olive]

i think distortion is made of cheese

[limpid saddle]

hello cal lore chat

what did i miss

[long bloom]

absolutely nothing it seems

[cedar path]

You did miss three devs vagueposting in update talk tho

It was a good bit

[kindred mountain]

what was the city in the brimstone crag called?

[wanton pendant]

Azafure.

[raven brook]

Azafure

[young socket]

azafure llc

[wanton pendant]

I don't think it was a Limited Liability Corporation.

[young socket]

[split mortar]

Azafure

[raven brook]

Azafure

[wanton pendant]

I think it was Azafure.

[icy veldt]

Assfart

[long bloom]

Avitus

[agile matrix]

Avulture

[patent sky]

Apigeon

[hollow pivot]

Aswallow

[normal mantle]

How crazy do you think the terrarian looks from the perspective of things in our playthroughs? Like yharim HAS to be pissed that we clean up stuff after him and kill things he couldn’t in like a fraction of the time it took

[wanton pendant]

I believe one vision for Yharim is that he was so strong the concept would be terrifying to people in universe, so...

[hollow pivot]

Yharim is pretty much trying to manipulate the Terrarian into becoming Yharim 2.0, but with less warcrimes.

[wanton pendant]

Not less, more efficient war crimes.

[hollow pivot]

I thought he just wanted us to kill gods, but not kill 50% of the population?

[wanton pendant]

If that 50% are filthy god worshippers, then you MUST purge them!

[icy veldt]

Me about to become Inverse Yharim with even more war crimes and kill the remaining non-God population (they failed the Gods and must be punished)

[patent sky]

The events have got to add up to 50% of the population

[normal mantle]

Why the HELL did yharim think it was a good idea to pretty much turn his dead soldiers into dreadnaughts

[wanton pendant]

It looked cool as hell have you seen Skeleton Prime?

[normal mantle]

That’s the problem bro what do you mean he took his dead knights and stuffed their souls into machines modeled after some of the most grotesque horrors in pre hardmode

[wanton pendant]

Because it's awesome, duh.

[normal mantle]

The moral of this story is that souls are critically misused 🫩

[hollow pivot]

Yharim thought “Hmm, it seems my soldiers can't fight for me but they still want to. Draedon, get the soul extractor!”

[normal mantle]

Almost everything bad that has happened in calamity lore is because ppl did the wrong things with souls

Actually yeah EVERYTHING bad has happened because of that

[hollow pivot]

Fovos kinda just a hater tho

[normal mantle]

Didn’t he also have the power to just take souls I swear that was said somewhere

[hollow pivot]

Pretty sure he actually just wanted to conquer Terraria and the auric souls were just a bonus.

[normal mantle]

I mean yeah that’s a damn good bonus

[hollow pivot]

It's like going to buy a new pair of shoes and finding out there's a 99% clearance sale on a PS5.

[wanton pendant]

He can weaponize them.

[raven brook]

He ate auric souls and shat them out as the pillars

[dusk laurel]

pillars are confirmed to be shit ❤️

its great to know when something horrible is canonized to be horrible

[raven brook]

Yeah that's literally what they are

Well ok minus the shit part nbut basically yes

[normal mantle]

So what the fuck was prime moonlord Dr manhattan ⁉️

[raven brook]

Nebula pillar aws from the Mind dragon

Vortex was Storm, Stardust was Life, Solar was Primordial Light

Seems like the latter three were only fragments of the souls though rather than the full thing

Otherwise uh i imagine the dragons would

yk

be dead

nebula could've also been a fragment but we haven't heard of a mind dragon before so

We do know that solar atleast

[normal mantle]

I didn’t know the pillars actually had bases

[raven brook]

was only a small fragment of zeratros's soul though

that one's confiremd

[raven brook]

Yeah its new info

brainstorm bestiary changes

[normal mantle]

Oh cool

I hardly look at that thing

[agile matrix]

how is there both a goddess of life and a pillar of life

[agile matrix]

oh i see

[dusk laurel]

just a part of it

only the mind dragon got fully eaten

rest in peace mind dragon

[agile matrix]

could potentially be how such powerful dragons got absorbed

[agile matrix]

and prayers for you

my joke was Ruined

** ** and prayers

[long bloom]

you should, it's really important

[wanton pendant]

Mind Dragon clearly ended up in the Matter God.

[sinful adder]

How do we know that

[wanton pendant]

We have a thing for it, it's called guessing.

[sinful adder]

So we don't actually know at all

[dusk laurel]

huh i thought i heard smth abt that

weird

well even if theyre not fully dead we have no idea who used their soul

[wanton pendant]

Is... Your mind playing tricks on you?

[dusk laurel]

[heavy zenith]

Anyone know who designed the new main menu?

[light linden]

so bit of a random question?

do we know how any gods were worshipped?

[hollow pivot]

We know Agnus and Providence were worshipped at least, and god worshippers are referenced quite a bit; so it musn't be too rare.

[light linden]

not that if they were worshipped

HOW they were worshipped

[hollow pivot]

If you absorb a god's soul, do you get a different domain?

[light linden]

you don't get anything

god souls effectively detonate on death

[hollow pivot]

What if you take the soul while they live?

[light linden]

the only time we've seen that happen is fovos

[compact ridge]

The Auric soul is mangled up by the ritual + another soul being added to the equation so unless you’re Mr moon it probably wouldn’t work

[compact ridge]

We know agnus’s followers sacrificed blood to heal him, in return getting his organs

[rancid heart]

Is there a lore document anywhere for the lore when Stained, Brutal Calamity was written?

I think that should be pre lore rewrite in Feb 2023, not sure though

[compact ridge]

I actually have no idea where to read the old lore but I’m curious on why you wanna know

[light linden]

also it's worth mentioning

we only know this about imperfectly ascended gods

[hollow pivot]

#lore-discussion message
Old lore @rancid heart

[rancid heart]

Oh, thank you

[light linden]

but the 2 perfectly ascended gods are immortal so

[hollow pivot]

Technically they're not immortal, just that the devs never plan to give us a way to kill them as of now.

[light linden]

no they are immortal

[compact ridge]

Well Silva is as she’s an elemental

[hollow pivot]

You can hypothetically remove all life to get rid of Silva permanently.

[compact ridge]

Plus her domain lets her not die so like double immortal

[light linden]

silva has two layers of immortality, xeroc has lived for literal centuries so old age clearly can't get rid of him

[compact ridge]

yeah I just kinda assumed gods don’t age

Xeroc is too strong for anyone to kill them, and can’t age to death, so effectively immortal

[warm gull]

do we know that silva's domain grants her a second layer of immortality

I had assumed that she just couldnt die since she was an elemental

given that the life dragon died just fine

[hollow pivot]

Xeroc has type 1 immortality, he's not unkillable.

[compact ridge]

Im pretty sure, bc the domain of death (turned into sacrifice) allowed agnus to just refuse to die

[rancid heart]

Should use unaging rather than immortality, since the gods can very much be killed

[warm gull]

well that seems counterintuitive doesnt it

[hollow pivot]

Agnus didn't have a perfect ascension, he didn't retain the domain of death.

[warm gull]

how does agnus' refusal of death correlate to silva's immortality at all

[normal mantle]

Gods probably don’t age since atleast all the ones we see are centuries old. And I’d assume Silva would kinda just persist as long as there is life on the planet

[hollow pivot]

Is it just life on the planet?

[normal mantle]

Control over their domains kinda goes hand in hand with immortality

[hollow pivot]

I guess that would make sense since Auric Souls come from Terraria, not the whole universe.

[compact ridge]

Power formed from death gives the ability to refuse death, it makes sense that the actual domain of life would also have something similar

[warm gull]

why

[compact ridge]

Death and life go hand in hand

[hollow pivot]

You can't live unless you will yourself to 🧠

[warm gull]

also how do you know that the death domain is what allows agnus to prevent his death

[compact ridge]

Silva is thinking really hard in the egg sac

[warm gull]

how do you know it isnt a sacrifice he's made

[abstract carbon]

Which calamity characters would say 6 7?

[compact ridge]

Good question uhm I might be hallucinating that

[compact ridge]

Calamitas but she would feel so disappointed in herself afterwards

[hollow pivot]

Terrarian.

[warm gull]

silva is literally just an elemental and elementals cannot die

I dont think attributing the life domain to that is founded

[normal mantle]

Wasn’t Silva the god of life

[warm gull]

considering, again, that the life dragon died just fine

[hollow pivot]

Elementals live as long as their element remains on Terraria*

[warm gull]

no shit

[normal mantle]

How did we get to Silva being an elemental

[warm gull]

thats literally what she is in the lore

[hollow pivot]

The devs just said she was the Elemental of life iIrc.

[compact ridge]

I might just be hallucinating this but didn’t the life dragon agree to being absorbed and that’s how it died

[warm gull]

there are five elementals
brimmy (fire)
cloud elemental (air)
sand elementals (earth)
anahita (water)
silva (life)

[compact ridge]

I genuinely might be tweaking so take that with a plate of salt

[normal mantle]

I’ve missed a lot damn, last I checked Silva was the goddess of life and yharim tossed her into the abyss bc he was too lazy to contain the god essence correctly

[compact ridge]

Silva is the elemental of nature

God of life

[warm gull]

that was vetrasyl with otonilou

[hollow pivot]

Vetrasyl died to Fovos I thought.

[normal mantle]

I swear I remember smth like that w/ Silva being one of the few gods that was born from “good will” or smth like that instead of people just killing dragons for power

I’m lost on the lore Lwk

[warm gull]

ugh nevermind I'm leaving

[normal mantle]

Tough crowd

[warm gull]

vanillin can handle this

[normal mantle]

I almost missed out on my propaganda post for the day hold on

FACT: the dragon of gluttony was such a fat useless chud that the other auric dragons gave it pieces of their souls bc it didn’t have one, and it’s overwhelming BMI rating transformed the soul fragments into the auric soul of gluttony

[hollow pivot]

Chat would the dragon of Gluttony look more like a fishron or the planned Old Duke resprite?

[compact ridge]

Gloomborf

Wow thanks discord i definitely meant to send that

[thick slate]

yay red halo thing pfp

[warm gull]

taylor ping in calmain

[thick slate]

would you meow for a trillion dollars

[warm gull]

it would be harder to find something i wouldnt do for a trillion dollars

[thick slate]

fucking capitlist

[warm gull]

damn straight

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-thats-friday-feel-that-thats-uncle-bao-bao-feel-that-thats-bao-gif-13796012056181947964

[jaunty wraith]

Out of all the camitiy mods bosses (Minus cryogen and Scal) Which one could you say is "Fixable" and reedemable

[stoic gulch]

Aquatic scourge is literally attacked by us it just wants to chill and eat wastes from the sea

[jaunty wraith]

Wait yeah your right we attack it.

And since terrarian lore is up to us...

That makes anyone who defeats the aquatic scourge a monster

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[jaunty wraith]

Why would chara do this?

[stoic gulch]

Literally an near extinct species

[stoic gulch]

🔥

[jaunty wraith]

I mean also according to calamity lore, we stop the cultists ritual and allow the moonlord and the pillars to be free...

[light linden]

I'd argue it's a bit more morally ambiguous since we finally killed the moon lord

[jaunty wraith]

Honestly since theres nothing in game saying what the culstist was doing, it could be chalked up to "Terrarian misunderstood and thought he was doing somthing evil"

[light linden]

there is

[quasi ginkgo]

what insect or animal does thanatos represent irl? lowkey need to know for 3d modeling purposes.

[light linden]

"The men at the front of the dungeon are performing a ritual to keep the Moon Lord contained in his prison. In order to gain Yharim's attention, however, you may need to defeat them." from Amidias dialogue

[jaunty wraith]

Worm

Unless your looking for somthing more specific then IDK

[quasi ginkgo]

just worm? not like centipede?

[light linden]

this is a question for the sprite designers

not lore chat

[robust osprey]

theyre also like, fucking evil

[jaunty wraith]

I dont really know much about the cultist

[robust osprey]

just look at the dungeon

[compact ridge]

Isn’t like half of the bad stuff in there from Yharim throwing a bunch of randoms in there

I mean lunatic isn’t a good guy really, cursed clothier and stuff

[robust osprey]

Cultist let Yharim do that and helped him

[compact ridge]

anything for the dragons amirite

But yeah fair enough

[robust osprey]

Yeah, Cultist's motivations and Yharim's are kinda similar, that's why they teamed up at some degree for a time

[compact ridge]

Yuppers

[sinful adder]

Why doesn't Draedon use the virtually infinite power source that falls from the sky (fallen stars) as fuel? Is he stupid?

Like sure exo prisms are better but everything that uses power cells could just use fallen stars instead

[long bloom]

he's techbrained
probably doesn't do well with mana stuff

[sinful adder]

Magic should just be another branch of science to him

[kindred mountain]

Are the songs considered canon?

[balmy glacier]

rotjd is canon

s,bc is not

[kindred mountain]

Ah Okie

[worn cedar]

One question, what does the serial numbers for the Exo Mechs mean

[split mortar]

I think it means the number of iterations up to the current one but i might be wrong

[long bloom]

that is correct

[long bloom]

example of thanatos:
X = exo
M = soul of might (the destroyer)
05 = 5th iteration of the design

[sinful adder]

Hey so like

We have souls of sight, might, fright

But there's also Light, Night, and Flight

So shouldn't we have X-L-01, X-N-01, X-Fl-01?

[long bloom]

no

[sinful adder]

Feels like some kind of silly fandom thing they'd make

Mech bosses for the other 3 souls

[long bloom]

the mech's souls are from yharim's soldiers

[sinful adder]

I know

But the exo mechs don't have the souls

So the designations carried over and were reused for the design archetypes

[long bloom]

they keep the letter because they're based on the regular mechs

[sinful adder]

Sure

[long bloom]

yeah how is that related

[sinful adder]

It would be funny to get 3 more mechs for the other 3 soul types

[long bloom]

i still do not see the relation

[sinful adder]

Then we could get exo mechs based on these extra 3

That's the relation

The whole thing is just "what if there were 3 extra mechs and exo mechs wouldn't that be funny"

[thick bluff]

You remember the Cyborg NPC, right? In Calamity, he has some connection to Draedon, right?

[long bloom]

he does not

the bestiary states he was built by the mechanic and steampunker

[split mortar]

Theres dialogue saying whoevere added robot parts to cyborg wants to be better then draedon but cyborg dont care much about that iirc

[thick bluff]

Ok

[thick bluff]

Ok

I think the original NPCs should have had more dialogue. For example, the Guide, who would also offer advice on the characters, biomes, and bosses in this mod. Also, the cyborg could have said something like, "If you're wondering if Draedon created me, the answer is no."

[thick bluff]

The interactions between the original NPCs also need to be expanded. For example, the pirate would enjoy interacting with Amidas, as Amidas is a legend of the seas; the wizard would enjoy interacting with Permafrost, as he is the wizard's idol; the gun dealer would appreciate the way the bandit does business; and the goblin would dislike the bandit, as his earnings somehow vanish in her presence.

[wanton pendant]

He already explicitly states that someone other than Draedon built him.

[wanton pendant]

Pirates and governments usually don't get along, and Bandit is non-binary.

[eternal veldt]

Sure but like there isn't any more government 😭 unless you count the almost dead water throwing bastards in the dessert

[wanton pendant]

You're only seeing one continent.

And even then only a part of it.

[eternal veldt]

Ngl though i would love to see the king ride one of those

[wanton pendant]

There are surviving societies, just none that would be very powerful.

[pulsar ocean]

how big are the actual evil biomes

[wanton pendant]

I mean, you can literally make them.

[wanton pendant]

Incalculable due to game world size not aligning with narrative size.

[eternal veldt]

Screw it im gonna rebuild his city using the bottomless water bucket

Best boy deserves it

[eternal veldt]

So the gods only inhabit like 1 continent?

[wanton pendant]

No, that's ridiculous.

[eternal veldt]

Sooo yharim didn't go after those other gods or...

[wanton pendant]

He did.

He sought to eradicate all of them.

The Crusade spanned the planet.

[eternal veldt]

And those nations outside the continents couldn't fight back or didn't fight back?

[wanton pendant]

They did.

They lost.

Or joined.

[eternal veldt]

I see i see.

[eternal veldt]

But it seems the whole world put up a fight then since it drove yharim to desperation to even hire DoG

[wanton pendant]

It would have been far from effortless. Even for an empire unrivalled a war against the world is far from trivial.

[eternal veldt]

Not to mention the world has gods in their backing. Too bad they lost though

[wanton pendant]

Remember, Ilmeris only fell around 12 years before the game starts, there were nations that could hold defensively for extended periods of time.

[eternal veldt]

Game continent extension when 😭

[eternal veldt]

Wait is the continent we are on the heart of the place that happened or are we dropped in on some random continent?

[wanton pendant]

Heartlands is... Well...

I'm sure you can guess.

[eternal veldt]

Ahhh

[eternal veldt]

You think we'll ever get contact outside the continent. If not it would be cool as an addon. Like we take those ship balloons you see in the background sometimes by talking to the pirate captain

[wanton pendant]

I believe at most characters may mention the existence of the other areas. And Goblin Armies are from another continent.

[eternal veldt]

Fair considering the scout can only spawn at each outer ends

[wanton pendant]

Should note extra continental Lore is much less set in stone than other areas.

[eternal veldt]

Im dumb and can't understand riddles. Even god's hints at me have to be blatantly spelt out

[wanton pendant]

Extra continental means outside the continent. Like extra terrestrial means outside the planet.

[eternal veldt]

I meant the set in stone part im not a native english speaker.

[wanton pendant]

Subject to change.

[eternal veldt]

Ohhhh i see

[wanton pendant]

Not final.

[eternal veldt]

So there could be a chance for content

Slim

But a chance nonetheless

[wanton pendant]

No, it's just that their details may be changed in the future. There are no plans for continents outside of the Heartlands to be accessible.

[eternal veldt]

Damn it :<

Welp the power of addons shall be enough ig

[wanton pendant]

Brazil add-on when?

[eternal veldt]

You can always just dig down

[bitter cave]

In 2074

[eternal veldt]

When you find lava welcome to brazil

[wanton pendant]

That sends you to Spain. Which is close...

[eternal veldt]

Ahh my bad they speak the same thing (im not racist please don't exicute me)

[wanton pendant]

No they don't.

[bitter cave]

[eternal veldt]

Exactly

Portuguese and spanish HWUEHEHHEHE

[manic grail]

I wonder who exactly created wulfrum

[wanton pendant]

Various people make the drones.

[manic grail]

It clearly wasnt Draedon as he was with Yharim and wulfrum robots were using against Yharim forces

[wanton pendant]

Yes, of course.

Wulfrum is just a material that's easy to work with.

So it was easy for resistance groups to use.

[manic grail]

What if wulfrum is a commercially wide material used for all kinds of products

[leaden bridge]

thats just copying the fables aura

fables wins!

[green prairie]

it's wide but i don't think it's commercial?

oops wrong reply

[manic grail]

Because if the player can make a screwdriver out of it, why cant the big companies?

[wanton pendant]

It's probably just a Tungsten based alloy.

[green prairie]

but wulfrum is used in underground scavenger rings, not really for the common people

[leaden bridge]

well its clearly not if laymen can just make the robots out of complete nothingness just with the metal

its got to be magical

[manic grail]

There are tiles that look like a kind of a roof material

[wanton pendant]

Explicitly isn't, since only one Wulfrum item is magic and it's explicitly specified to be an instance of magic and science being used together.

[leaden bridge]

thats cool and all but that was iban writing something in that is now explicitly not true of how the lore wants to handle them

the metal has to have some kind of outright magical properties if it is to be believed people can randomly grab it and shit out robots

[wanton pendant]

Not really.

[manic grail]

What if wulfrum is a relatively common construction material in the cities?

[leaden bridge]

yes really

[wanton pendant]

Too weak.

[leaden bridge]

where does all the circuitry come from otherwise

[wanton pendant]

The circuitry probably isn't Wulfrum.

[leaden bridge]

then how the fuck is anyone making these

where are those circuits coming from

who the fuck is wasting insanely complex and hard to make circuits in fucking gyrators

is there a factory mass producing electronics out there?

[manic grail]

All of the structurally important tiles are made with a use of stone in crafting

[wanton pendant]

The Wulfrum is clearly the metal chassis of the drones. It's used because it's easily refurbished.

[leaden bridge]

thats the only way that would make sense

the existence of mass produced wulfrum necessitates the existence of mass produced electronics then

who the hell is making that

why is anyone wasting any electronics on fucking gyrators that does not make sense

specially for a rebel movement that assumedly does or should not really have constant dedicated access to resources like that

[manic grail]

The wulfrum armor mostly represents more so regular clothing

[wanton pendant]

A rebel movement is going to be deprived of resources.

[thick bluff]

Hollow biome lore?

[leaden bridge]

so you go and waste infinitely valuable electronics on gyrators??????

[wanton pendant]

Good gods die and makes that.

[analog robin]

Tungsten is really dense and has a stupidly high melting point so it’d be a terrible fit for the stuff you can put Wulfrum through

[leaden bridge]

that makes no sense you hvae to understand what you are saying doesnt make sense

if they weere being starved of resources that would go for the electronics inside them

meaning wasting them on weak wulfrum crap makes no sense

[manic grail]

Wulfrum is very likely an analog of real world iron

[wanton pendant]

I would not say that.

[manic grail]

A lot cheaper one at that

[leaden bridge]

either their electronics are made out of wulfrum or they somehow have access to a continous uninterruptible stream of absurdly complex electronics that justifies using them for shitty wulfrum crap because they got so many

[wanton pendant]

Almost like the enemy they're fighting has a source of electronics that could be scavenged from broken equipment.

[thick bluff]

Empress of Light lore?

[leaden bridge]

and you waste them on shit fiffty times as weak as the equipment they come from?

[wanton pendant]

Child of a god(s) who obtained power. Children of god's don't naturally have any abilities.

[leaden bridge]

if they can scavenge draedon crap surely they can replicate draedon crap

instead of hi heres my asbolutely fucking terrible piece of shit bot nobody would ever struggle against

the equipment would make sense but the robots not at all

[manic grail]

The wulfrum battery is a relatively common drop that suggests that wulfrum in one or multiple of its form is a material that can be used for electronics

[leaden bridge]

its also a ltitle funny because energy cores are batteries? they have to be

but i guess the wulfrum batteries are more like standard reusable batteries

[manic grail]

Energy cores are capable of creating force fields and energy projectiles

[leaden bridge]

anyways our point is the material economic reality that makes wulfrum bots a good choice to make necessitates that either the rebels have an endless source of mass manufactured electronics (which frankly arsenal scavenging wouldn't even really get to that level) or the electronics are made of wulfrum which justifies anyone being capable of shitting them out anywhere at any point but that needs wulfrum to be basically magical because it wouldn't be able to make circuits all on its own otherwise

[pulsar ocean]

its funny in russian tungsten is called wolfram and i was confusing it and wulfum before i turned off the russian localization mod

[leaden bridge]

i guess there is an alternative and its that these people are really fucking stupid and wasting valuable resources on making gyrators

[normal mantle]

Who wins a supercharged wulfrum rover or a Hungry

[leaden bridge]

hungry

[normal mantle]

This is very important

[leaden bridge]

the hungry is visibly smarter

[pulsar ocean]

would hungry eat a horse

[leaden bridge]

yes

there are no horses in terraria though

[wanton pendant]

Depends. How hungry?

[leaden bridge]

much to think about

[wanton pendant]

There are.

[leaden bridge]

no natural free roaming ones left though

this means the hungries have already eaten them to near extinction

[normal mantle]

Supercharged wulfrum rover is faster and can ram into its opponents

[wanton pendant]

There's one species of wild horse in real life and I don't see any Hungries hunting them down. Hungarians, maybe...

[normal mantle]

I’ll do you one better

[leaden bridge]

have you seen it try the hunger can dodge that

[manic grail]

If the argument of wulfrum being magical is that you can craft a magic weapon from it, I will remind that it is called "wulfrum scrap" that suggest the the item isnt just a part of wulfrum machines hulls but their internal parts too

[leaden bridge]

this was true but they renamed it to wulfrum metal scrap in 1.4.5 and its sprite now is genuinely just a metal plate

[normal mantle]

Get fixed boi supercharged wulfrum rover vs enchanted sword

[leaden bridge]

its true in fables though because of the alt sprites

[manic grail]

As I have discussed before, the wulfrum metal likely has multiple states with different physical and magical properties

[leaden bridge]

that doesnt matter im just being pedant

anyways when we say magical we mean like it has properties that couldnt exist irl not literally magical per the settings rules

like were not saying it eats mana to shit out electricity or anything we mean it has fantastic properties

[manic grail]

Almost every material in terraria can interact with magic to a point

[leaden bridge]

anyways the point being that to justify wulfrum bots existing surely the internals are all wulfrum so surely wulfrum can make circuits all on its own so surely its fantastical

wulfrum circuit board with wulfrum cables and wulfrum wafers and wulfrum boards and wulfrum resistors

[manic grail]

Again, multiple wulfrum states, we have already been confirmed of existence of anodized wulfrum

Again, highly comparable to iron and its form in the range of uses

[leaden bridge]

they shouldve made it deep metallic blue thatd been fun

i mean its just kinda funny anodizing it makes it look like iron?

[manic grail]

It can also be red just like iron

More precisely iron oxide

Case solved, wulfrum is an alternative to iron with it being wide spread, easy to work with and the range of uses

[split mortar]

Clearly ralsei is the wulfrum crayon

[crude musk]

Why do burrowers help us? Are they just programmed to help anyone they come across

[wanton pendant]

They're programmed to mine.

[crude musk]

Well then they're terrible at it

[wanton pendant]

It's their first day, be nice! They were born 23 seconds ago!

[crude musk]

True

[normal mantle]

You think yharim is salty about us killing stuff in weeks that he couldn’t catch during his entire crusade?

Like he complains about empress being hard to catch, slime god just running, and smth about providence i think i can’t remember

[wanton pendant]

No, he's delighted.

[cedar path]

I mean

[wanton pendant]

Finally getting rid of those sorry excuses for living things.

[cedar path]

I'd like to imagine he is a little jealous

[wanton pendant]

He wants you to be Yharim Jr., he sees this as proof you're his special little tyrant successor.

[cedar path]

yeah but why's the little tyrant successor reach his level (took 130 years) in like

a few moneths

[normal mantle]

Weren’t the crusades like multiple centuries

[cedar path]

gotta be at least a little annoying

[wanton pendant]

All the better for finally killing Xeroc.

[cedar path]

no

[wanton pendant]

Around 106 years.

[normal mantle]

Huh

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's only 130+.

[split mortar]

Yharims a human he cant like
Survive centuries

[cedar path]

except he has no idea if we want to or even can kill xeroc

and we can't

[wanton pendant]

He wants you to though.

He wants them all dead.

[normal mantle]

Still though like some people do all this in like a week (speedrunners) and you’re telling me this dude isn’t a little salty about it

[wanton pendant]

If he could he'd do it himself.

But, even if he could find Xeroc, he'd lose the fight.

[normal mantle]

The primordial wyrm is probably stronger than yharim if we go by guessing stats, idk about actual lore wise though

[wanton pendant]

No, of course not.

[cedar path]

it will be reworked eventually (tm)

and afaik it is around Yharon's level

[split mortar]

Isnt wyrm getting put pre yharon eventually i dont remember

[normal mantle]

That would make sense

Cause wdym a non auric dragon offshoot is stronger than the 2nd strongest auric dragon

[cedar path]

said non-auric dragon is also buffed up by one of the stronger gods we know

[normal mantle]

Ehh yeah but that still shouldn’t compare to an original auric dragon let alone surpass it

[split mortar]

I mean
Some auric dragons were prehardmode
Surpassing yharon is wack tho yeah

[wanton pendant]

Old Duke is also stronger than what the average Auric Dragon was by a huge amount.

[cedar path]

again I am pretty sure it is intended for PW to be around Yharon's level

once it gets reworked and retiered

[split mortar]

-# average eidolon wyrm is equal to average auric dragon

[normal mantle]

That’s bc of useless chuds like gluttony

[wanton pendant]

Do not besmirch the good name of Goomborf.

[normal mantle]

Chud dragon made a chud god

FACT: the dragon of gluttony was such a fat useless chud that the other auric dragons gave it pieces of their souls bc it didn’t have one, and it’s overwhelming BMI rating transformed the soul fragments into the auric soul of gluttony

[wanton pendant]

Slime God is clearly the greatest character in the whole canon!

[raven brook]

I feel like he would be atleast a LITTLE bummed about it but due to the Circumstances those feelings would probably be shadowed by the feelings of "holy shit this guy is strong surely they cna finish the crusade for me"

[cedar path]

I wonder at what point Yharim realized the crusade can't be finished

[wanton pendant]

Probably in the last year.

[cedar path]

he knew about Xeroc from the start since Yharon told him

[pulsar ocean]

does astrum aureus get infected like the microsecond hardmode starts

[raven brook]

Probably something between getting his ass beat by xeroc, getting his ass beat by braelor & statis and then realizing he only has like <10 years left of life

[cedar path]

wait he fought Xeroc?

[raven brook]

In his mind he probably thinks he could drop dead of old age at any second nowq

[raven brook]

Supposedly,

[cedar path]

when was this revealed, this is def not in game

[raven brook]

Might not be 100% confirmed though

[pulsar ocean]

yharim realized what the word powercreep means

[raven brook]

Yeah it's not

[split mortar]

Why else would he know xerocs strength
Also its a widely accepted theory iirc

[raven brook]

It's not just a widely accepted theory but ozzatron directly said he did a while ago

In another server

however Dev Statement so

[split mortar]

Oh true

[cedar path]

sure it makes sense but I did not know it was confirmed

[raven brook]

take it with a big chunk of salt

[cedar path]

well not confirmed since ye

[raven brook]

Might be changed

[split mortar]

I doubt something like that would just be thrown out without being decently concrete 😭

[raven brook]

Can still be changed

Things get Thrown Out all the time

look at life, death and yharon being the first dragons

got scrapped :p

[split mortar]

True

Ok well that has less implications then xeroc vs yharim 😭

[cedar path]

he did get his armor buffed by Draedon affter his fight with the gays

[split mortar]

Yea

[cedar path]

wonder how much stronger that exo buff made him

[wanton pendant]

My guess is around Yharon tier to post-Calamitas.

[magic epoch]

cryogen is a cube right

[split mortar]

Exos rival his strength right after the upgrades iirc so probably a decent amount now he is the boss tier later

[wanton pendant]

An ice cube.

[split mortar]

Hexagonal shape iirc

[raven brook]

cryogen is a ice Shape

It's hard to tell what the shape even is but i thiiink its meant to be a hexagon

[cedar path]

I thought exos rival him since the plague incedent

[raven brook]

Up to whoever sprited it lol

[magic epoch]

i thought there was an actual answer

[raven brook]

Hopefully the redesign will actually be readable

[raven brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

this isn't e ven a lore thing it's

Whatever the Spriter wanted it to Be thing

[dusk laurel]

ice

[split mortar]

Exos were made after yharim got the upgrades

[cedar path]

I know that

[raven brook]

and i'm pretty sure whoever was the spriter isnt even on the team anymore so

[raven brook]

The exos rival him before exo upgrades yeah

which does imply he was as strong as calamitas bakc then which is kinda funny

[cedar path]

but how would draedon knew Yharim's strength from then? the plague incedent he actually showed off

[split mortar]

Thought it was right after since draedon must have well seen yharim right after the exo boost

[cedar path]

blew a hole in the lab and all

[split mortar]

Probably did tests on yharim idk

[cedar path]

was this not just what you assumed to be the case?

[dusk laurel]

he could always just monitor yharim anyways

[cedar path]

Yharim is in the aerie so he def cant

[dusk laurel]

back then

he only recently went into the aerie

[normal mantle]

Draedon made yharims current armor, its not like yharim would always have it on but you can’t tell me Draedon didn’t put something in the suit to monitor yharim

[pulsar ocean]

would he beat status and broiler with the exo suit

[wanton pendant]

Probably?

[normal mantle]

Broiler 😭

[robust osprey]

no his attacks are not very effective against Gay type

[normal mantle]

WHO are statis and braelor

[robust osprey]

and Gay type attacks are very effective against Yhar type

[wanton pendant]

Gay.

[normal mantle]

I can make this joke I swear

[crude musk]

This confirms beyond a shadow of a doubt yharon loses to daytime eol

[raven brook]

I love how good this chat is at explaining things

anyways

[split mortar]

Statis is the last onyx kinsman
Braelor is silvas champion
Very gay

[raven brook]

They're two important characters ot the mod's story, not ingame right now but will be added as NPCs with their own questline eventually

[raven brook]

Two heroes who managed to almost kill yharim

But got ambushed by DoG last moment and sent to the distortion

very tragic

and yes theyre gay

Only canonical couple in the entire mod

Statis managed to get out of the distortion thanks to a deal he made with Signus

Braelor's still in there though

[cedar path]

I wonder if Statis really hesitated or if thats a Yharlie

[raven brook]

Statis is just going to be a wandering NPC in the world, with his own questline and stuff

Braelor will also be a npc but in the distortion instead

And iirc their questline will end with rescuing Braelor and reuniting the two

[crude musk]

Why would yharim make himself look weaker

[raven brook]

Seems like kind of a random thing to lie about yeah

I imagine he did hesitate, though we don't know for what reason

[cedar path]

I guess so

[normal mantle]

You mean braelor held yharim still while statis bush camped and tried to sneak yharim

[raven brook]

Braelor himself clashed with Yharim and was nearly on par with him

While Statis provided support yeah

Braelor's like, probably

3rd strongest mortal behind Yharim and Calamitas

atleast until

yk

I imagine him to be somewhere around DoG in strenght, if not a little stronger

Statis also did a wipeout of Yharim's soldiers in the dungeon

Killed a bunch of them using his stealth and assasionatic tactics and stuff

This is some new info we found out through the bestiary rewrite

He infiltrated the dungeon to rescue some of his fellow kinsmen that were emprisoned there

[cedar path]

Well Braelor did get pulled by dog

[raven brook]

And in the proccess assasinated a bunch of yharim's guards

[cedar path]

I get it was by surprise

[raven brook]

That's not really a feat of strenght though

It's just. a portal opened and they got dragged in

I like to think that the giant ass scar that the Devourer had in the old resprite was by Braelor.,

specially when you consider that Braelor's still alive

[cedar path]

Oh is that the written description?

[raven brook]

after all this time

if he was weaker than the Devourer

why would he still be alive

Dude would've just killed him

[cedar path]

I thought dog physically dragged them

Always imagined it as him coiling and pulling the duo in

[raven brook]

Could've been that ig, idrm the exact wording

But regardless of that i highly doubt Devourer is much stronger if stronger at all than Braelor

[crude musk]

He eated them

[raven brook]

Nah

he didn't

they're alive

[cedar path]

Braelor gotta be mad he was left behind

[raven brook]

We don't know the exact context of Statis leaving

It might've not necessarily been a "betrayal", i personally find it unlikely because

[crude musk]

What stops dog from just teleporting all his targets in noxus' lap

[raven brook]

again we will probably reunite them

[crude musk]

Wouldn't that make him much stronger

[raven brook]

WQe haven't seen

[cedar path]

I doesnt have to be a betreyal for Braelor to be upset

[crude musk]

Isn't it stated signus tricked him or something

[raven brook]

Don't think it is, idrm

[split mortar]

Yharim wasnt there so why would he know the details

[young socket]

a gateway, a promise, a betrayal

[crude musk]

Maybe he's just writing fanfic

[raven brook]

From what we know about Signus it seems less like he's the type to actively lie as much as he will give you a deal that very much can fuck you up in certain ways but also that the thing you get in exchange is too much to not want it

Less of a trickster more of a opportunist

Could be wrong though

Mostly just from talks here after all

[crude musk]

I can certainly imagine him going "technically the deal was to open a path from the distortion, I didn't have to make sure braelor goes in"

[mighty zenith]

Signus feels more like a monkey's paw than a deal with the devil

[dusk laurel]

signus would smoke a cigar

[cedar path]

When Distortion is added, Signus will def he fought there right?

What do yall think?

[dusk laurel]

either anywhere in the overworld or the distortion is my opinion

[raven brook]

Coulld be either tbh

[crude musk]

I also like how his motives are incomprehensible

I get that it's because we don't have a lot of info

But I hope they keep it that way

[raven brook]

Signus is everything the devourer wants to be

thats why hes goated

[young socket]

he appeared during the deific era so uhhhhh

[crude musk]

Cause it's cool to have distortion characters not make sense

[crude musk]

Can you elaborate

The devourer wants to be well known and respected I would say

[young socket]

hes his own boss

[cedar path]

Real aura vs fake aura

[raven brook]

• Powerful
• Has aura
• NOT a goon to a higher force ro being
• Eldritch incomprehensible being

[crude musk]

True

[dusk laurel]

dog doesnt have that dawg in him im sorry

[raven brook]

Personally when it comes to mysterious motivations,

like in Signus

imo the best way to handle it

[cedar path]

Tbf it's not like dog isnt powerful

[raven brook]

Is to give context clues that one can piece together to figure out a possible goal

But not explicitly 100% confirm anything

[crude musk]

Also he has some aura

[cedar path]

Hes just somevody elses lil b

[raven brook]

He is, he's even stronger than Signus in terms of raw strenght

however

hes a fraud and a bum

so it evens out

[crude musk]

Yeah that's awesome

Like maybe taking someone's free will/body fulfils a biological function who knows

[cedar path]

Maybe it gives him a high

[raven brook]

I personally like to think it's something to do with finding a way to do things in the overworld unnoticed

[crude musk]

Would certain distortion plants fuck you up nilk style

[raven brook]

I'm also personally on the boat that Statis dosen't have