lore-discussion

[dusk laurel]

the accuracy of which can be debated

[hollow pivot]

Did Illmeris get stronger after WoF got defeated because WoF had the corpse/soul of Ontinilu (And maybe that Tyrian guy)?

[dusk laurel]

by the time otonilou was killed wof stopped being used by yharim

[pulsar ocean]

How will this affect calamity mod’s legacy

[dusk laurel]

dog was already there and replaced it

[jaunty wraith]

Actually speaking of WoF? Is there a lore reason the astral infection only appears after it's slain or is that purly a gameplay thing

[hollow pivot]

Then why does the sea get stronger after WoF dies?

[dusk laurel]

coincidence

[hollow pivot]

Is the Astral Infection not always there in-lore?

[dusk laurel]

somewhat inaccurate since old gameplay and also coincidence for some of the enemies

[dusk laurel]

yes and no

[jaunty wraith]

It is in space

[dusk laurel]

it exists in space but was only recebtly thrown onto terraria

[hollow pivot]

So was it being studied by Draedon in space?

[dusk laurel]

uhhh maybe

we dunno

but he definitely took an interest after it landed

especially since he learned that it infects non sapient/living beings like robots

[hollow pivot]

Wait, so Aureus was created in the short amount of time between the asteroid landing and us fighting it?

[dusk laurel]

yeah

well

he alresdy had it

repurposed machine that he made awhile back

used it to survey the land

turns out machines can get infected and then the terrarian has to kill it

[hollow pivot]

Dang Draedon got that thing investigating quickly.

[heavy zenith]

the lore implies that the aureus model was sent during the crusade, but the actual debut appearance of astral infection in the world happening during the playthrough greatly contradicts it.

[hollow pivot]

I assume every Auric Dragon has to have 2 pairs of front and back legs/arms and a pair of wings?

[eager bluff]

not inherently

[heavy zenith]

^

[eager bluff]

they're as varied as dragons are

[heavy zenith]

Not enough information, we only know what a few dragons look like/may look like so we cant say that with confidence

[eager bluff]

might find some with no wings, with more than 2 wings, no limbs, extra limbs, if it can be construed as a dragon it can be an auric dragon

[sinful adder]

We can say that's not true with confidence

I hope Cei is ok. I heard they left

[heavy zenith]

fr?

[feral skiff]

how stronger would yharim have become if he actually took yharon’s soul

cause he’s already stronger than everyone who isn’t noxus or xeroc

[sinful adder]

Lore writer statements confirm that an auric dragon can be anything. Serpent, western dragon, some other thing, ect.

[sinful adder]

He would be almost as strong as Xeroc assuming it was a perfect ascension

[heavy zenith]

I mean, he probably would've become somewhere around Xeroc-level. Maybe they saw that potential in him, and due to Xerocs absence, wanted him to take his place

[feral skiff]

major missed opportunity 🥀

[heavy zenith]

Talking about cei leaving

[eager bluff]

yes cei left

shes fine afaik

[heavy zenith]

Dang, didnt know that, thats good

That shes okay, not that she left

[hollow pivot]

Or Prime Fovos.

[feral skiff]

yeah but he’s weak now

i’m only counting present-day strength levels

[eager bluff]

lower i think

considering the massive gulf in power between xeroc and yharim

[heavy zenith]

Anywhere between Yharim now and Xeroc now lol

[eager bluff]

he would definitely be strong but also his strength does depend on how much training he did after the fact

[heavy zenith]

I wish we knew Xeroc(Pre-Ascension)'s strength to compare it

[rancid orchid]

isn't xeroc pre-ascension about yharim's level or did i make that up

[eager bluff]

i dont forsee him overcoming xeroc either way

[long bloom]

i don't remember an official ranking

but that would be absurd

[rancid orchid]

i might have mixed that up with untrained zeratros being yharim's level

[heavy zenith]

Yeah, the only way I could possibly see that being the case that Yharims power level at the time of ascension would carry him that high. It all depends on Pre Ascension Xerocs level imo

[eager bluff]

xeroc pre-ascension would probably be post moon lord considering the part where they were attuned to i think the most logical choice was zeratros

[long bloom]

do we know they were attuned?

[eager bluff]

i mean

their mask is made of auric

[long bloom]

right

[eager bluff]

kinda hard to wear one of those without being attuned

[heavy zenith]

Could've faked it like John Terrarian

"Mock attunement"

[eager bluff]

considering they were a dragon monk that would be like

the number one way to get kicked out

[heavy zenith]

Lmao yeah

[long bloom]

i'm looking for the dev statement but it seems i can no longer find it

[agile matrix]

i mean what other gold substance could they wear

bc im like 55% sure it wouldnt be Gold

golden*

[pulsar ocean]

Xeroc is around 40x stronger than yharim so god yharim still wouldn’t reach his level since yharon is only the 2nd strongest dragon

[heavy zenith]

What if Yharim (at the time of ascension) was 40x stronger than Xeroc (at time of ascension of course)?

[pulsar ocean]

I don’t think that’d affect anything bro

Most of the power comes from the auric soul you absorb

[heavy zenith]

Eh maybe

[hollow pivot]

What if it's just Gold?

[woeful karma]

just realized

since the ascension ritual was based off moon lord and we fight moon lord

there is a very viable path for the terrarian to independently re-invent the ascension ritual

especially with how much fucking with souls we do already

[hollow pivot]

Since when?

[woeful karma]

#lore-discussion message

[warm gull]

antenizer

[glacial wolf]

is there any official art of dreadon's main body

aka not the ones we see in person

he himself, his main host body

[scenic olive]

guys what if u make a robot out of auric but you put auric soul fragment in that robot

[glacial wolf]

uhm

idk itl never happen

because the auric souls r deadass goin extinct

[split mortar]

It would prob be a server box

[pulsar ocean]

Imagine multiple servers

[glacial wolf]

we kinda like

are killing everyone who knew the ritual or killed someone who had positive connections to someone who knew the ritual

in game

and in the lore there's like

sub 10 people

and none of them r gona risk making another ravager scenario

[split mortar]

Slimegod, providence, profaned guardians, xeroc, yharon and yharim are all the only characters who may know the ritual and can communicate and all have no reason to tell you

[glacial wolf]

all of em lack a reason to waste auric metals and an auric soul for an experiment too

if draedon knew he would

but he doesnt

so

[split mortar]

Only yharon and yharim even have access to that as well

[glacial wolf]

exactly

i mean.. draedon could potentially get some.. its draedon he probably has a way

only reason he doesnt is probably because he's waiting for yharim to die so he can just storm everything and take it all and book it

[split mortar]

I should prob re check the draetalk but im p sure that draedon worked on yharim partly for the opportunity to mess with auric?

[split mortar]

Draedon can already do that tbf

[glacial wolf]

thats a really funny mental image, him just running into a building yharim owns after breaking thru walls with zero remorse and just grabbing it and running like the wind

any guards of any type knowing that they cant stop him either

[glacial wolf]

true he did make most of yharim's tech

he probably has backdoors set

he probably can disable yharim's armor at a will if he wanted to

[split mortar]

Was more so thinking since yharims in the aerie and cant really be contacted to stop draedon

[glacial wolf]

that too

also draedon is probably well versed in yharim's fighting style

and most deffinitely knows his pressure points

also im disapointed we havent seen any functioning arsenal labs in game yet that would be so cool to see

hopefully once we get into subworld content we get stuff like that

in game lore dumps outside of the lore items

[split mortar]

Unlikely we will get a draedon subworld. iirc jade palace, distortion and aerie are the only planned ones with jade palace being quite unlikely

[glacial wolf]

i can think of some ways it could work

[feral skiff]

what’s the jade palace?

[split mortar]

Well ig a distortion lab would work tho then we would prob get attacked for destroying it if we did

[glacial wolf]

maybe there could be an abandoned lab variant with an arsenal teleporter schematic, using it could take you to a functioning arsenal lab subworld

[split mortar]

Old duke thingy

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesnt yharim just eat yharon to prolong his life

[glacial wolf]

uhm
that would be heresy

[pulsar ocean]

But like

For the sake of good

[glacial wolf]

yharon IS the last auric dragon would also be another genocide

[split mortar]

Yharons not the correct flavour

Far too spicy for yharims preferences

[glacial wolf]

if yharim killed yharon he'd have like FOUR major genocides tied to him at minimum

[pulsar ocean]

But like he’d maybe have a slither of chance at taking down xeroc if he asked noxus for help

[glacial wolf]

noxus would just kill him

[pulsar ocean]

How would we know god yharim wouldn’t body noxus

Yharon is the 2nd strongest dragon

[glacial wolf]

also i think yharim gave up on killing xeroc atp

[split mortar]

I doubt itd be immediate strength

[glacial wolf]

i think he just wants to die in combat against a worthy oponent regardless of who the oponent is atp

[split mortar]

There is a theory they fought really recently and thats why yharims depressed iirc, saw how big a gap between him and The Sun is

[pulsar ocean]

I mean why wouldn’t it be

[glacial wolf]

that or he's watching a random upstart blitz through everything he's made like its an all you can eat buffet and they havent eaten for a week straight

[split mortar]

I think yharim is not suicidal just willing to die for his beliefs including if it means we will continue his crusade atleast thats how i see it

[glacial wolf]

didnt say suicidal

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t yharim just use demonshade instead of auric set

[glacial wolf]

dying in combat isnt suicide thats just dying in combat

[glacial wolf]

non cannon

yet

also auric armor is actually better we just arent worthy

[split mortar]

His depression started before we appeared so i doubt we caused it since terrarian up to you

[glacial wolf]

i think itd be cool if after u kill yharim auric armor gets a buff

[split mortar]

He didnt have access to ashes of calamity

[glacial wolf]

a huge boost

because it would deem us worthy

[pulsar ocean]

Why does it say I make the terrarian lore if I don’t get to choose whether we kill xeroc

[glacial wolf]

pretend you do

[split mortar]

The devs dont want a post game armour that is stronger then all options
They want auric, demonshade and exo armour to all be sorta viable post game iirc

[split mortar]

We mock attuned ours it already thinks we are worthy

[glacial wolf]

i hate choosing

[split mortar]

Hence why it doesnt actually kill us

[glacial wolf]

hence why i always go classless

i use whatever i get

[split mortar]

Well uh womp womp ig idk

[pulsar ocean]

But like what if it’s the exo auric yharim drops

[split mortar]

That would kill us and is also like 50% bigger then us

[glacial wolf]

ill just learn modding and add my own armor set that combines the 3

[pulsar ocean]

Just get a tank build

Auric doesn’t do that much damage

[glacial wolf]

[split mortar]

You will bounce around like a rock in a blender inside the armour

[glacial wolf]

also do yall think xeroc, noxus, and yharim will drop weapons

[pulsar ocean]

Yes???

[split mortar]

I meam yeah why wouldnt they

[pulsar ocean]

Like duh we kill noxus why wouldn’t he drop a treasure bag with goodies

[glacial wolf]

was thinkin to wotg

[split mortar]

We would also get access to shadowspec post yharim since its the post game bar

[glacial wolf]

how nameless n avatar only give cosmetics (And a set of wings/a tool)

[pulsar ocean]

I wonder if they’ll pull a goozma on the shadowspec made stuff

[split mortar]

Doubt it why wouldnt they just change the crafting recipe to include a post yharim material

[pulsar ocean]

Cuz it’s made to be post game?

[split mortar]

Typo

[glacial wolf]

id rather there be exo armor and auric armor as end game and demonshade as post game but lock it behind yharim or noxus

[split mortar]

Demonshade is being the post scal armour and will use ashes of annihilation iirc

Eventually

This also means the armour is like
Canon

Cause anything made of shadowspec is not canon

[glacial wolf]

also does that make the other shadowspec stuff get moved to a higher tier

post yharim or whatever

ie: the pickaxe

[split mortar]

Yeah it stays post game

[pulsar ocean]

Are they gonna add a post scal weapon tier if shadowspec is gonna be post yharim

[split mortar]

That already exists

[pulsar ocean]

Like what

Exhumed doesn’t count

[split mortar]

You can fight scal then use her drops and exhumes before fighting the exos which are the same tier so fighting her first is fully plausible

Same with using miracle matter and exo drops on scal

[pulsar ocean]

Drops and exhumed doesn’t count
Yharon and exos have their own tier while scal has nothing

[split mortar]

Why dont exhumes and drops count?

[pulsar ocean]

Cuz that’s like saying post folly is its own tier cuz it drops weapons

[split mortar]

I mean
It is? Not a very substantial tier but yeah id say it is

Folly also crafts a weapon or two

[cloud ibex]

She has drops and exhumes and whatever bullshit you might end up crafting with ashes of annihilation

I wouldn’t say that’s much different than Draedon with the exos’ drops and miracle matter crafts

[split mortar]

Yeah

Exo drops = scal drops
Miracle matter = exhumed

[meager prism]

What does draedon sound like?

[split mortar]

Anything the guy wants to sound like they are an AI

Tho gianni matriano or whoever voiced gabriel ultrakill does voice draedon in a trailer

[feral skiff]

wheatley from portal

this is true, valid, and factchecked information

[dull belfry]

WHo's tastier, Queen Slime or King slime?

[split mortar]

Probably queen slime due ti hallowed stuff

[dull belfry]

I suppose Unicorn horns are a 'foodstuff'

[bitter cave]

Queen slime tastes like glitter prob

King slime would be just tasteless gelatin

[split mortar]

I think slime is stated to taste nice?

[bitter cave]

I think it was only pink gel with that tooltip

[split mortar]

Oh really?

[bitter cave]

Maybe normal gel too idk

[split mortar]

Lemme check

Gel is also tasty

Gel os tasty, pink gel os sweet

[bitter cave]

Mmm

[slate night]

Does canon Calamitas really take that much damage before going down or is it more for gameplay balance

[bitter cave]

She has a magic shield

Maybe the shield really is that durable

[split mortar]

I think they planning to make it so a shield visual appears when she takes damage, it wouldnt make sense otherwise cause she is physically a normal adult woman

[slate night]

I know it's just that it's weird how the terrarian is forced to evade every attack while every other mf can take godly weapons to the chin with barely a scratch

[mighty zenith]

in exchange you have insane mobility

[split mortar]

Oh wait you not on about the npc

[mighty zenith]

it's like V1 and V2 in ultrakill

[bitter cave]

Permafrost should train us like calamitas

[mighty zenith]

permafrost will get exhuming right

[split mortar]

Idk

[mighty zenith]

something of that sort at least

more interesting than just selling stuff

[slate night]

That's the terrarian's thing? Having the durability of wet paper in exchange for the possibility of not taking damage?

[mighty zenith]

i mean technically you can have better durability than most things if you prepare well enough

[slate night]

Dunno man I think I'd rather have the beefy shield

[mighty zenith]

but also.

like.

its a hideo game

[slate night]

I know that

[bitter cave]

You respawn

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas has been in a war, she's probably pretty strong.

[bitter cave]

Thats what you get

[slate night]

It's just, that, how does that shit work in canon

[split mortar]

Not really explained so its headcanon territory

[wanton pendant]

I do think it'd be really funny if it's just off hand mentioned that Yharim taught her weightlifting techniques and she can just toss cars.

[slate night]

She prolly has the magic powers for that

I cast "catch this, dumbass"

[split mortar]

Insert that one badly worded old cei statement that accidentally meant without mana she was moonlord level

[wanton pendant]

Magic Spell: Lift with your knees, not with your back.

[split mortar]

She has the magic powers to possibly wipe a country off the map in a few days to weeks iirc

[wanton pendant]

'I may be out of mana, Terrarian, but I'm not out of options.'

[slate night]

Possibly? That's exactly what she does.

[split mortar]

Ilmeris size is uh
Not very consistent between dev statements
To say the least

Italy is likely the most truthful for its size but we dont know for sure
They could go back and make it mediterranean sea sized again randomly 😭

[wanton pendant]

Somewhere between City to Italy.

[mighty zenith]

calamitas the type of person to reload her fists before punching someone in the face

[split mortar]

Ok v2

[slate night]

They should let me write the lore, I'm gonna add a lot more pizzazz, explosions and aurafarming one off characters.

[mighty zenith]

i was thinking more like henry cavill in mission impossible

https://tenor.com/view/henry-cavill-gif-22574298

[bitter cave]

Turn calamity into solo leveling

[split mortar]

Havent watched mission impossible

[mighty zenith]

its fun

fun movie

[slate night]

Ngl tho it may be just me but I prefer calamitas' original concept

[split mortar]

Dont fully remember what she was like in old lore but i do remember it having a few oddities regarding yharim

Could prob be good if those were ironed out

[slate night]

He used to be a lihzahrd

That I remember

[mighty zenith]

i think her backstory is handled way better

in general i think calamitas improved the most out of any character tbh

[split mortar]

He also out magic’d calamitas and permafrost somehow 😭

[mighty zenith]

followed by yharim

[split mortar]

Despite wanting them for their better magic…

[wanton pendant]

Yharim used magic despite not knowing magic because his skillset is hype moments and aura.

[slate night]

I mean when you hear the title "Supreme Witch Calamitas" you kinda expect some world ending primordial asshole but no it's just a traumatized 28 yo former child soldier with depression

[split mortar]

She still has the strength to back it up

[wanton pendant]

They're called Supreme Witch because she is a witch who is going to beat you to death.

[slate night]

Oh she does back it up but the title kinda gives her more "Aura" so to say

[mighty zenith]

i mean yeah you're downplaying her with that description but if you didn't know her story and just knew her as a legend, you'd be shitting bricks meeting her anyway

[wanton pendant]

Intimidation factor.

[mighty zenith]

her name alone bringing fear makes perfect sense

especially once you realize that she's really not so bad if you get to know her better

just a scared girl manipulated into committing atrocities and growing to regret them her whole life

[split mortar]

I think it fits her title and name makes her seem much more evil and destructive then she is

Since peoples views on her is the Reusable Nuclear Bomb Barrage to everyone but those close to her who know her beyond that idk

[reef wigeon]

Good mornah guis

[cedar path]

lore

[reef wigeon]

That can also kill you if you're not prepared

So still big deal

[lime sluice]

Hi I’m new

[split mortar]

Heya

[pulsar ocean]

Hi new

[reef wigeon]

Heya New, im old

I need information about War for his section in my doc

Can u help me @split mortar @wanton pendant (sorry for the ping)

[wanton pendant]

What are the chances?

[reef wigeon]

Wdym with that

Sorry I just

[wanton pendant]

I just happened to check the channel.

[reef wigeon]

Woke up

[reef wigeon]

Oh I see

Lol

Idk, the math nerd has to do it

(I love math, but not enough)

[reef wigeon]

Currently it's just an extension of the Dogma section lol

[split mortar]

iirc
War is the one who killed yharon for the godking plot to be possible
War is basically a hired mercenary or hired muscle for the god cult
Marble biomes might be related to it? Yet to check the bestiary entires of those guys
Is the main controlling essence in the perforator hive which is also becoming like a hydra once reworked
Like DoG level

[reef wigeon]

So, Dogma and War "bodies" are DoG level. Thats interesting

[wanton pendant]

Well, the plan is to have Evil2 at Dragonfolly's current level.

So their bodies are post-Moon Lord.

[split mortar]

I headcanon that ichor reducing defense is from war god cause having blood that weakens your enemies if they cause you to bleed would be useful in battle tho realistically probably just every crimson gods ichor just making that

[wanton pendant]

And also, you have to factor in Evil2 is more than just Dogma and War.

[split mortar]

I doubt evil 2 is equal to how they were in life

Since they are dead :p

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying.

[reef wigeon]

Maybe the ichor is an emerging property of the Crimson

[split mortar]

Yeah probably

[reef wigeon]

Not only a War thing

[wanton pendant]

They would certainly have been stronger in life.

[reef wigeon]

Yeah but are like tons of god Essences

That's still very powerful

Anyway, thanks for the information

Perhaps I'll change War's lore a bit so that it's not so "isolated"

While I was sleeping I had an idea regarding the ascension ritual once you are already a god

Something like "soul purification"

Perhaps I'll have a Dragon Cultist discover it because... Y'know

What do you think?

[normal mantle]

What’s the chance the dragon of gluttony was just a fat chud of a dragon

[wanton pendant]

98.63%

[reef wigeon]

99.98%

The probability increases every second, but it always gets infinitely closer to 99.99% without ever actually reaching it

[normal mantle]

FACT: the dragon of gluttony didn’t get an auric soul he was just such a fat useless chud that the other dragons felt bad and gave it tiny pieces of their souls and his fatness corrupted them turning the soul fragments into one soul of gluttony

[reef wigeon]

WRONG

Actually, the dragon of gluttony was Merlin, the most powerful sorceress in all of Nanatsu no Taizai

[pulsar ocean]

Does dragonfolly beat moonlord

[proper fog]

tyhis doesnt really make them "above intelligence" when it comes to Cnidarians or Echinoderms.

for example sea cucumbers shoot out their own sticky digestive track to clog the gills of fish trying to eat them

box jellyfish have extremely primitive eyes that react to light

some of them like the hydra have cnidocytes which are basically pressure stimuli harpoons lined up on threads.

jellyfish use jet propulsion to move around. similiar to what the belching coral does.

they still dont have a centralized brain btw.

[proper fog]

so these "belching corals" are simply the same as any other coral

and not "above average"

so until they are developped enough to form extremely simple COGNITIVE behaviour, they are not above average. these things react purely to stimuli

like a plant's leaves closing when they are touched

[wanton pendant]

The Coral knows of your statements.
The Coral knows of your judgement.
The Coral knows of your fate.

[woeful karma]

yes

[pulsar ocean]

How did you come up with your name

[woeful karma]

ml gets attacked by a fucking bird and dies

[wanton pendant]

We've been over this.

[pulsar ocean]

Have we

I don’t remember

[wanton pendant]

If you're not reading the WaterWraithGaming manga along with the the anime you won't get all the lore.

[pulsar ocean]

How do I larp as a waterwraithgaming fan

[woeful karma]

theyre actually like dwarf fortress sponges

[wanton pendant]

You gotta begin combating all claims that I'm British.

[woeful karma]

never beating the allegations

[wanton pendant]

The allegations are false.

[split mortar]

waterwraith you have very british vibes

[wanton pendant]

WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN!?

[split mortar]

you are british

[bitter cave]

Top 10 worst accusations

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying!

[split mortar]

the truth hurts

[wanton pendant]

I do not 'have British vibes'!

[eager bluff]

you do

[split mortar]

if you dont why does everyone sya you do

[pulsar ocean]

Let’s be realistic here

[wanton pendant]

What British vibe could I POSSIBLY emanate!?

[split mortar]

syas the person who has used the word chap

[eager bluff]

you have used british landlords as a point of reference

[wanton pendant]

I blame Chippygaming.

[wanton pendant]

Because they're comically evil historically, everyone knows this.

[woeful karma]

thats true

[pulsar ocean]

Ilikecheese is the best terrariatuber

[bitter cave]

[mighty zenith]

who is syas

[dusk laurel]

the person who used the word chap

[woeful karma]

snas

[bitter cave]

Its the person

[wanton pendant]

Like, the word Boycott is literally named after an English Landlord.

[dusk laurel]

lynching

[pulsar ocean]

David lynch

[bitter cave]

Lunch

[pulsar ocean]

How do you know so much about british landlords

[wanton pendant]

Oppression.

[pulsar ocean]

Were you getting oppressed by a British landlord

[wanton pendant]

Twas a century ago...

[pulsar ocean]

I think this implies something

[woeful karma]

bro is irish?

[pulsar ocean]

Antenizer

[woeful karma]

kozz

[split mortar]

WATERWRAITH IRISH?

[pulsar ocean]

Why didn’t you tell us sooner

Irishwraithgaming

[wanton pendant]

Did you spend the last half hour googling things?

[reef wigeon]

Says the person who has misspelled say as sya

Twice

[split mortar]

Nya

[pulsar ocean]

No

[reef wigeon]

Im snas

Sans*

Nice to meat yaya

Nice to meet ya*

[reef wigeon]

Okay, I have this in mind
"God of War was the second monster that indirectly started Yharim's Crusade. This god killed Yharon and carried his egg to Dogma.
He's the essence with the greatest influence in Crimson, manifesting as the Perforator Hive. The survivors after the crusade whisper that ichor is the blood of the gods that make up this horrifying biome."

[split mortar]

👍

[wanton pendant]

Well, I wouldn't say whisper. Ichor literally is god blood.

[reef wigeon]

Yes, but those survivors don't know if that's true or not

[wanton pendant]

An Auric Soul is what grants dragons like Yharon their power.
It is possible to perform a ritual on them to become a god, which converts the Auric Soul into a Godly Soul.

[pulsar ocean]

I don’t think he kept his word

[wanton pendant]

Sending you to Australia.

[pulsar ocean]

I don’t wanna get eaten by a giant man eating spider

[split mortar]

Should have thought about that before being sent to australia

[dusk laurel]

🦒

[split mortar]

Thats not siffrin

[dusk laurel]

just look in a mirror smh my head

[reef wigeon]

Uhhh who are you telling this to

[wanton pendant]

Someone who asked.

[woeful karma]

someone asked in #calamity-update-talk, got told to go here, didn't

[split mortar]

I dont have white hair nor am i 5’1 nor do i have 1 eye missing and irl is not monochrome

[pulsar ocean]

Thank you siffrin

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, you're 5'.

[split mortar]

Thatd be good since siffrin wears high heeled shoes while at that height iirc :p

[wanton pendant]

I'm sending you to Edinburgh.

[woeful karma]

melongun is a goner

[dusk laurel]

a WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!

[reef wigeon]

But like, an hyper one

[woeful karma]

oh

[woeful karma]

copies your monochrome

[pulsar ocean]

Happiest man in Birmingham

[young socket]

antenizer

[reef wigeon]

I added an entry to the BoE Encyclopedia about an anonymous Goddess who transforms into Goddess of Ignition

[limpid saddle]

im that

[wanton pendant]

Real.

[terse moss]

Does anyone know why Xeroc didn't just kill Yharim?

Like before he gained enough power to be a proper threat (which I believe he arguably still isn't)

[wanton pendant]

We don't know.

And Yharim isn't a threat to Xeroc.

The FAQ on the lore doc addresses this question I believe.

[visual kiln]

antenizer

[wanton pendant]

Real.

[split mortar]

Yharim is massively below xeroc enough so xeroc can wipe the floor with him but is still strongest mortal to have touched the planet either ever or in untold millenia (other then YOU)

Xeroc not killing yharim is possibly a character flaw of xeroc possibly that they are too focused on stopping the distortion that people like yharim or providence are left free to destroy as they please

[pulsar ocean]

i solo xeroc tho

[split mortar]

Sadly you are yet to exist within the parameters needed

[woeful karma]

[terse moss]

Correct me if I misunderstand, but I thought Xerox’s goal was to be a god and rule the world. If Yharim destroys it all then he isn’t a king of anything anymore. All that power is useless

[obsidian plume]

we dont really know xerocs mentality towards interfering with mortals

[wanton pendant]

That was never Xeroc's goal.

If it were, Xeroc would have done it centuries ago.

And Yharim doesn't intend to destroy the world.

Providence does.

[terse moss]

Well his crusades led to a lot of destruction and instability I mean

Not exactly a lot of functioning civilizations left

[wanton pendant]

Wasn't the goal, the goal was ridding the world of gods and their followers.

[terse moss]

Right I just mean as collateral damage

[wanton pendant]

There probably are surviving nations outside of the Heartlands.

You know, the ground zero of the Crusade.

[terse moss]

Like Azafure is gone, the ocean people are gone, jungle temple people are mostly gone, etc

[terse moss]

Fair enough

[wanton pendant]

Ocean people?
You mean Ilmeris?

[terse moss]

Like Amidas’ people

[wanton pendant]

Jungle Temple is unscathed. Yharim couldn't be bothered with them, they're just crazy.

[terse moss]

Wait they were always lizards? Thats hilarious

[wanton pendant]

Amidias' kingdom was Ilmeris, the Sea Kingdom.

[terse moss]

Sorry, I’m currently updating myself on the new lore, though I know I’m a couple years late to the party

[wanton pendant]

Lihzahrds are lizhzahrds, not sure what you expected there.

[obsidian plume]

DSs bestiary entry mentions that his only competition went into hiding, do we know who it is?

[wanton pendant]

Bigger boot, clearly.

[split mortar]

Xeroc has done so little on the planet even draedon does not know of them

[terse moss]

Oh he just screwed off into space?

[wanton pendant]

We don't know where they've gone.

[split mortar]

laser focused on dealing with the distortion to the point of neglecting the planets own issues is my guess

[pulsar ocean]

lihzard yharim design goes so fucking hardf

[split mortar]

Yharim designs should have high smount of aura imo

[terse moss]

Weird comparison, but is the distortion similar to the Void in risk of rain?

[terse moss]

Oh absolutely

[pulsar ocean]

idk bro is the void purple

[wanton pendant]

Maybe, but less purple.

[split mortar]

Idk the void in risk of rain

[wanton pendant]

There's a big monster in it controlling everything.
Everything.

[mighty zenith]

probably GSS

[obsidian plume]

well not signus

[terse moss]

It’s like an interdimetional group outside of time that’s trying by to get info on the universe so that the can be prepared when they go for takeover

[wanton pendant]

Signus isn't in Risk of Rain 2.

[mighty zenith]

fuck you voidling i HATE

[obsidian plume]

Is that not his name before the incineration?

[pulsar ocean]

have you checked

[terse moss]

Voidling sucks so much

[mighty zenith]

GSS is great sand shark

[terse moss]

So much wasted potential

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[obsidian plume]

alr ty

[pulsar ocean]

check again.

[obsidian plume]

missread the message, apologies

[wanton pendant]

Check behind you.

[mighty zenith]

the competition could also be the hardmode desert enemies in general

namely dune striders

splicers*

i always fuck that up

[light linden]

@spare pierquestion

does the planet have a magnetosphere?

[green prairie]

so is there a lore reason why the Aqueous Hunter Drone can get distracted? is it sentient? are all of Draedon's creations just casually sentient????

[raven brook]

i mean not necessarily

[agile matrix]

wdym "distracted"

[spare pier]

Idfk

[woeful karma]

the actual structure of terraria seems pretty consistent with real planets
unlike stars
so i'd say yeah
unless planets just dont have a core for no fucking reason in this universe

[light linden]

planets can have a non magnetic core

[woeful karma]

ok thats true

WAIT

im stupid

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Compass

yes. yes it does

[wanton pendant]

Is there anything unusual we should know about the clouds?

[spare pier]

Idk

[wanton pendant]

The clouds thirst for blood...

[agile matrix]

clouds are really good at shaping themselves

[split mortar]

They can stop kinetic damage from falling and also are solid

[green prairie]

the little guy can kinda wander off and hum to itself if you idle around while its summoned! if you move away, it perks up and follows after you (i love it. its my new best friend)

[agile matrix]

its entirely possible its a one-off

but Draedon has made creatures with sentience before

or mimickries of it

[wanton pendant]

That was due to the souls.

And was an unwanted side effect.

[agile matrix]

(Androomba, Repair Unit)

((Repair Units flee when harmed, and Androomba shows fear then Explodes when you approach))

[raven brook]

i wonder what response i will get when asking extremely specific worldbuilding questions to developers !

the humble response:

[dusk laurel]

everytime

nothing will ever change

[green prairie]

i question the ethics of that but then i remember that A: Draedon wouldn't care. and B: he is one (but be nice to me i just like asking silly questions...)

[woeful karma]

[zenith geode]

counterpoint: my auric puck getting eaten got answered

[pulsar ocean]

Antenizer

[green prairie]

i can only imagine what kind of completely insane lore antenizer would've had should it actually have been added

[manic sierra]

can someone show me where the lore doc is

[split mortar]

Pins

[dusk laurel]

if you click the button for the pins the first two messages are the two lore docs, the first one is a glossary of all the ingame info and the second one is a doc with an overview of the lore and the overall plot

[manic sierra]

im sorry im not very famillar with discord what are the pins

[wanton pendant]

Here.

I didn't turn off the ping thing, sorry.

[manic sierra]

thank you

[modest lance]

on top right of the screen if pc, on phone you click on magnifying glass and then you'll see it

[split mortar]

Fun fact on mobile you can also tap the channel name

[cloud ibex]

you die now

[wanton pendant]

Thanks for giving me a gold pan, I guess.

[plucky juniper]

fuck

between this and AT arkveld

a

[wanton pendant]

Are you... feeling alright?

[wheat walrus]

shoulda fought the other 10s first

[plucky juniper]

i do not care

[wheat walrus]

sad

they're not as hard as arkveld for all ik (i fought the first 3, but not jin or arkveld), but yanno

aaanyways

lore discussion

[wanton pendant]

Why is there... Monster Hunter? In MY lore channel?
Scrub all the floors in Hyrule.

[plucky juniper]

Zelda, in MY LORE CHANNEL?

[dusk laurel]

kill waterwraithgaming

idc how its done just do it

[plucky juniper]

im tossing you into azafure's lava

[wanton pendant]

You don't know my weakness.

[dusk laurel]

british and french

[long bloom]

boiling

[wanton pendant]

Shut.

[slate night]

Y'know, there's this part about Yharon's theme which I don't get.

When he talks about "they've demolished whatever we've made" when referring to the player

Like, how exactly? Up until that point the player is basically a jobber for Yharim.

[raven brook]

We have destroyed a good bit of yharim's stuff,

mechs for one...

arguably devourer and we do probalby bring peace to some of his victims like permafrost and amidias

Though, i will say, that line does feel like one of those that was more so built for old lore and dosen't perfecltyyy fit with current canon despite most of that song being perfectly fitting

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[slate night]

Oh wow 3 mechs which are absolute chaff compared to the exo mechs, what a tragedy

[limpid saddle]

Though it can be more referring to the collapse of the Crusades, pinning the blame on characters like Permafrost or even the Gods themselves

[plucky juniper]

i folded

[limpid saddle]

Because this is from YHARON's perspective, I think that's important to note

[plucky juniper]

once again, i think yharon should've been fought AFTER scal and exos

[limpid saddle]

ok

[slate night]

The player kills:

• A weakened monstrosity which still yearned for world domination
• An undead deity Yharim forgot to get rid of
• Providence, who had been on Yharim's shit list for a long fuckin time
• Devourer of Gods, who Yharim had come to despise

I'd say the player objectively made Yharim a favor even if they destroyed a couple of his machines

[wanton pendant]

DoG is still on his payroll, Mechs are undyingly loyal to Yharim, you may have befriended the likes of Amidias and Permafrost, who are anti-Yharim.

[slate night]

It's not like they fight or anything

They're sitting in a house I built for them like the bums they are

Not doing anything at all

[inner pasture]

Hi... Is there a reason why the Primordial Wyrm spawns when we have the "Chaos State" debuff? Or at least when we use the Rod of Discord? Lore reasons

[gritty kraken]

it’s bright

[slate night]

I dunno but I almost shat my pants the other day when I used the rod of discord to get the old duke's bag before it went too deep in the abyss

[limpid saddle]

he reacts very negatively to primordial light, which is what is used when you wield stuff like the Rod Of Discord or Normality Relocator

[inner pasture]

Is that because the Primordial Wyrm hates the dragon race/Zeratros/Xeroc? Which one?

[dusk laurel]

xeroc

[inner pasture]

why

[tropic oak]

xeroc's a hoe sometimes

[slate night]

Anyway even if the mechs were useful to Yharim they're nothing compared to the exo mechs, those things were long since obsolete.

[split mortar]

Prolly cause ate zeratros the guys king

[split mortar]

Exos were never for yharims use

[slate night]

Ah fr

[young socket]

it believes xeroc killed zeratros to steal his power

[long bloom]

@woeful karma put lihzahrd bestiary in the reference doc

[slate night]

I mean

He ain't wrong

We just don't know why he did it

[split mortar]

Considering terminus and rock tooltips i think
So the world is left without zeratros power protecting it and gets nuked by another random world ending threat like ml was

[slate night]

And considering how he never so much as tried to stop anyone else from killing the dragons to get auric souls, I doubt he was much of a fan of the dragons

[young socket]

something something ptsd i mean why does the future forever haunt us

[inner pasture]

Did Zeratros also reign over the Wyrm/fishron race?

[split mortar]

Guy was monk of zeratros almost certainly was favourable to one of them

[split mortar]

Zeratros effectively ruled the entire planet

[slate night]

Right up until zeratros got the soul sucking treatment

[young socket]

presumably

after all he ruled over their parents

[normal mantle]

The worm would theoretically react to any light if it’s bright enough, Jared hopes to kill xeroc if they ever come down to grab the terminus and kinda mistakes the light from the rod of discord for primordial light, smth like that?

[split mortar]

Tbf zeratros was gonna perma die to ml injuries anyways that could have been a desperation move to keep the power so the planets safe not that xeroc no longer cared for zeratros

[gritty kraken]

the rod use primordial light

[slate night]

Jared? That's the wyrm's name?

[gritty kraken]

I think

[normal mantle]

Not officially it got the name after a streamer bugged it and made him passive, then called him Jared

[slate night]

Yeah but then why didn't xeroc do anything about the genocide which ensued

[eager bluff]

not canonically but its been called jared for many years

[normal mantle]

Wait why does the rod of discord use primordial light

[inner pasture]

I still think what Xeroc does is strange. I mean, you absorb a dragon's soul, become a god, go live in the sun, and do nothing.

[split mortar]

Probably laser focused too much on the distortion and whatever else may be in there to the point of neglecting the world too much believing that since xeroc is the only one with the power to stop whats in the distortion they must go in there and stop whats inside

I sub to cheeses theory on it if you cant tell

[slate night]

I only now actually bothered to give your username and pfp a good look

[split mortar]

EoL is a hallowed boss and can as well so maybe one of the gods there just
Could control it

[gritty kraken]

I think it’s the way it teleport stuffs
Heard it was something like making a copy of yourself
to teleport
Which primordial light can do but I dun remember

[slate night]

This guy can see everything which sunlight touches and more than that, you'd think the guy who was supposedly friends with the dragons would try to do the smallest thing to not have them genocided

[split mortar]

Where was it said xeroc can see anything that sunlight touches

[normal mantle]

I mean I don’t think there’s anything worth xeroc getting involved in. The empress of light BORROWS primordial light during the day and can 1 shot the player, imagine what xeroc can do

[gritty kraken]

Clearly he didn’t know how to get down from the sun back then

[slate night]

He's the literal god of primordial light and he observes the player from the moment they appear

[gritty kraken]

Boss rush

[eager bluff]

probably too paranoid about other moon lord like entities showing up (and also the course of time would take its toll on the dragons regardless, im pretty sure they couldnt revive after moon lord, obviously genocide is bad but the auric dragons were kinda a doomed species)

[split mortar]

Lemme re read the dialogue dont think the guy says he saw out entire jouney

[gritty kraken]

All bosses copies in boss rush are made from primordial light

[slate night]

I thought they only couldn't revive if their soul was taken in a ritual before they died?

[normal mantle]

Mb his creation the terminus is the only thing worth his time mostly because he put it down there for the sake of nobody fucking with it 😭

[eager bluff]

no their reviving was kinda fucked after moon lord

see: zeratros being unable to revive

[wanton pendant]

I would assume that was due to Zeratros being injured by Moon Lord's power.

[gritty kraken]

Ml bestiary said it can just steal souls

[wanton pendant]

And not just a blanket 'every dragon can't revive now'.

[eager bluff]

which applies to most dragons

[wanton pendant]

We have no way to know if 'most' dragons were that critically injured.

[slate night]

But still if xeroc gave half a shit about the auric dragons he could have kept an eye on them and aetherically bitchslap to dust anyone who tried performing the ritual

[zenith geode]

it can just what.....

[eager bluff]

zeratros still had his soul thats how xeroc ascended

[split mortar]

Counterpoint
Moonlord ptsd i doubt the guy was able to see it all that logically
Stop the world doing world things which doesnt threaten the entire planet
Try to stop the next end of the world

[eager bluff]

so souls being stolen werent the only reason dragons were unable to be revived

[inner pasture]

When the game writers fully write Silva's lore, do you think they'll change the part about her being thrown into the abyss twice?

[eager bluff]

nah

[gritty kraken]

Is that roz

from wild robot

[slate night]

Providence did in fact threaten the entire planet

His inaction did in fact turn upside down the entire foundation of the world as it was known

[split mortar]

Either she went in there three times or the first was over a thousand years long cause how else would she get terminus without being down there between the two confirmed times
Atleast i think this is solid logic its midnight maybe not idr

[split mortar]

In embers yeah but thats not the most realistic scenario
Theres many people in cal above her who would just kick her teeth in if she tried fighting them even before yharims forces became cracked
She a big danger but not realistically ends the world dangerous like the distortion has shown

[eager bluff]

i think theres another aspect to xeroc not saving auric dragons
why do only auric dragons get this treatment

[slate night]

Noxus has to do with the distortion right?

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry, I put in a good word. She will be tossed in no less than twenty times.

[wanton pendant]

Sí.

[split mortar]

Yeah noxus is distortion related

[slate night]

As in the guy behind it or merely one of its agents

[wanton pendant]

Distortion isn't alive. Probably.

But it's the strongest thing in it that we know of that didn't get its teeth kicked in.

[split mortar]

We dunno enough of the distortion to really tell but other then moonlord, noxus is the strongest thing from there and seems to be the source of a hivemind and the creator of ceaseless void

Also seems to be the thing DoG is actually loyal to

[slate night]

The thing which bothers me is, considering that Noxus is a proposed superboss which would actually die when defeated by the player, and noxus is behind the distortion, how come Xeroc doesn't kill noxus if he really is fighting against the distortion

Also killing noxus would outright make the player the second strongest being to ever live, the first being the literal god of primordial light. Which is kinda crazy to thing about, the player is obscenely busted.

[split mortar]

I theorise noxus just knows how to avoid xeroc after so long of having them on them while the terrarian is new data its unfamiliar with and so cant predict well enough

Ultimately we dont know since noxus is probably the most mysterious major character in the story and stuff regarding them has yet to be the focus and wont be for ages

[wanton pendant]

What if Noxus is a Dark Type?

[slate night]

Anyways I have the distinct suspicion that if the player were to ascend using Yharon's soul and the terminus, and the only thing holding them back is not knowing how to perform the ritual, they would fold xeroc effortlessly.

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc has an 850 year head start on the gym membership.

[split mortar]

^
Dont think it would be effortlessly or quick but yeah we would be capable of it

[slate night]

And the player has beaten the everliving shit out of literal deities as a mere mortal

[wanton pendant]

Fodder compared to Xeroc.

[slate night]

Who started fighting like not even a year earlier

[wanton pendant]

That's up to you.

[split mortar]

Yeah but gameplay supports it so point still stands sorta idk :p

[slate night]

Still, the player goes from fighting slimes to slaying godlike beings in an obscenely quick fraction of time.

[split mortar]

Yeah even braelor who is also an anomaly of quick growth pales in speed to us

[slate night]

The player would have 100% folded mortal xeroc

[wanton pendant]

850 years is still quite a long time. Better remember leg day.

[split mortar]

Oh yeah def, mortal xeroc is i imagine below the dragon he was a monk to and zeratros rivals yharim

[slate night]

And if the player as a non deity is the 2nd strongest creature to ever live, ascending could easily make them much stronger than god xeroc.

[tropic oak]

dependant on our level in the world

[slate night]

Oh moderators

[split mortar]

I doubt it would be much stronger i imagine the power ceiling for calamity generally stops a bit above xerocs god state since the only lacking parts is ml took a nibble from the soul and xeroc was not yharim zeratros tier which seems the limit for mortals generally

And zeratros is a stronger dragon then yharon so we would be lacking in that regard while xeroc lacks in the human side slightly

[slate night]

Ok but consider this, in canon the player is doing all of this in one shot with no respawn. Consuming Yharon's soul would give them the power of rebirth, hence giving them canon respawn. Hence, xeroc would not be able to kill god terrarian in a way which matters and the terrarian could just keep retrying the fight

[eager bluff]

not inherently

[tropic oak]

Consuming Yharon's soul would give them the power of rebirth,
it would not

[wanton pendant]

What if Xeroc just absorbs your soul.

[slate night]

Why not

[eager bluff]

it would only give us rebirth if we perfectly ascended

[tropic oak]

its actually impossible that it gives us anything near the exact rebirth cause the ascension ritual is lost to time

[slate night]

Yeah I'm going off the assumption the player can do a perfect ascension

[split mortar]

Being a god could counter the rebirth domain since the god soul kabooms on death
We dunno for sure but that is a possibility just as is likely as actual rebirth afaik

Also you return to baby after rebirth so xeroc could easily nuke us anyways even with that

[tropic oak]

ah, didnt know

[slate night]

It could be weird hijinks. Yharon could resurrect other auric dragons.

[split mortar]

Those also became babies afaik so the issue of our power getting reset on a fail is still an issue

[eager bluff]

and also they lose their memories iirc

[split mortar]

Dev statement that is dubious at best iirc

[slate night]

It might be just me but I have the distinct impression the auric souls are stronger when given to humans

[split mortar]

Like i remember that being old and not talked about before

[eager bluff]

ascension is generally stronger than an auric soul but thats because you're adding a third soul into the mix

[slate night]

Yeah. So theorically speaking a perfectly ascended terrarian god of rebirth could regenerate at peak strength on the spot. Nothing says it would not be possible.

[split mortar]

God essence is broken god soul iirc
And anyways the soul would help with strength yeah but its not gonna carry us to xeroc tier else i imagine silva who has the perfect life domain would be stronger then shakidou

[split mortar]

Rebirth generally entails the uh
Experiencing birth again i think
Hence yharon egg, it wouldnt be rebirth if we just not die and be full power later

[eager bluff]

a stronger soul doesnt increase the strength of the domain it just means the individual can be stronger

[split mortar]

A human with rebirth sounds fucking horrible experience to have of it doesnt have a dragon egg type thing like yharon 💀

[slate night]

Yeah but if the power of perfectly ascended gods is purer than that of the auric dragons they took the soul from, it could be a stronger version of the power.

[eager bluff]

its inherently not actually

even with a perfect ascension you're still diluting the domain

[split mortar]

Dont see why a better rebirth would entail being older
I think itd just mean less chance of birth deformities when you rebirth

I think this is difference in viewing rebirth so prob not gonna go anywhere

[slate night]

I dunno, isn't xeroc way stronger than zeratros ever was?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[slate night]

Okay so why wouldn't that affect the power of rebirth as well.

[split mortar]

Yes but thats after centuries of training while zeratros didnt for all we know zeratros could have had similar potential to xeroc if not better due to not having a fucked soul like what xeroc ascended with

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc had gym.

[slate night]

For all we know auric dragons couldn't harness the full power of the domains

[split mortar]

I dont think stronger rebirth would result in being older when born i just dont see it working like that

[split mortar]

Hence i said this

[slate night]

Eh, maybe.

I just think the domain or rebirth could entail regenerating on the spot like respawn works ingame when used at full strength.

[split mortar]

Yharons gonna sorta do that the full heal is gonna be re added
And
Yharon still has to wait the decade and be a baby after properly dying

[slate night]

And that perhaps Yharon doesn't actually have the domain at full power so he's forced to actually be reborn every time he dies

[split mortar]

Yharon unlike the other dragons in the past has seemingly been working on being stronger during the crusade so i think yharon would be using the domain closer to its full potential

[slate night]

Xeroc was a bumfuck compared to zeratros yet ascending made him orders of magnitude stronger

[split mortar]

-# we dunno how strong compared to zeratros xeroc was right after ascending tbf

[slate night]

I just suspect the dragons innately cannot use the domain at full power or the full power can only be attained once a third soul is involved

[dusk laurel]

this is a funny comparison because, we dont know what zeratros really did

like he was the dragon king sure but

the sun

we dont know what the sun was like before but considering the fact that it was mostly unlivable on the surface for humans except for some cases like the dragon monks and chrysadia

not to mention all of the other things that just couldnt live in the same conditions

[eager bluff]

a lot of the reason most gods are stronger than dragons they ascended from is because they actually have reasons to train and make themselves stronger

[slate night]

This very much supports my theory tho

[dusk laurel]

in what way exactly

[slate night]

Zeratros has domain of primordial light = unlivable surface

Xeroc gets it = livable surface

Zeratros either did not have the domain at full power or xeroc attained a greater control over it through ascension

[split mortar]

Or zeratros willingly let the sun boil the sirface

[eager bluff]

yeah you're forgetting that outside of a couple dragons most didnt actually give a shit about people

[dusk laurel]

yeah like, he had full control of prim light i dont see a reason why his power would be weaker

[split mortar]

A dev agreed with this lemme grab the statement
It was stip

[eager bluff]

not active malice towards them but certainly not benevolent either

[wanton pendant]

I remember. Zeratros at least allowed the surface to be like that.

[eager bluff]

it makes sense that the king of the dragons, when given control of the fucking sun, wouldnt tailor the place most dragons live to another species

[split mortar]

Yharon seems to yeah have gotten stronger due to working for it during crusade

[dusk laurel]

this also may have been a factor for xeroc ignoring the auric dragons in the grey period aswell

because like, some dragons kinda... dont deserve being kept alive

[split mortar]

So a god with just yharons power and not being much before ascending would probably not be allat different power wise to yharon

[dusk laurel]

for example flame, he got jumped like immediately

and was such an ass the other auric dragons didnt want him around

[wanton pendant]

Flame got done in like, four years after Moon Lord.

Which to me sounds quite quick.

[slate night]

Anyway my original argument was that the terrarian would fold xeroc if they perfectly ascended with Yharon's soul

But I concede that maybe they wouldn't respawn immediately like ingame if they died

[eager bluff]

my other reasons are like

why only auric dragons

[slate night]

Hold on a second this lore implies terraria humans evolved as cave dwelling creatures doesn't it

[eager bluff]

why are they the only ones people ask "why didnt xeroc save these" when there are almost certainly other genocides that happened elsewhere and other species that went extinct after he ascended

[eager bluff]

i mean

yeah

why do you think humans lived in azafure

[slate night]

I just find it amusing

It also explains the existence of nymphs. They must have been the humans' natural predators long ago.

[split mortar]

I did not consider that but yeah true

[young socket]

nymphs are just demons from frieren

[split mortar]

You are a demon from frieren

[young socket]

nuh uh

[tropic oak]

the great perfect ascension conspiracy shall be unwound

[young socket]

im kind and nice and am a human

[dusk laurel]

wait cook

[slate night]

What else is there to explain

Nymphs specifically target humans

Unless there was a considerable human presence underground it would make no sense for a creature to hyperspecialize to hunt them to such a degree

[split mortar]

Frieren demon speech bubble

[young socket]

NO

[split mortar]

Another thing to the list on your note

[young socket]

im not

a frieren demon

[slate night]

I think there's some image in your pixels

[split mortar]

Why is it written down that you are then

[young socket]

oh yea? then why is it written ur a dumbass

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, my theory is that Azafurians are Calamity white people in lore.

[dusk laurel]

you definitely sound like one tbh tbh

[tropic oak]

hang this man

[young socket]

HOW

[split mortar]

Because i am a dumbass

[tropic oak]

you cant handle my swag

my bitch too bad my information too plentiful

you cant handle the TRUTH

[slate night]

Azafure appared after silva was chucked in the abyss tho

[wanton pendant]

Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged:
(I can't read this.)

[slate night]

And humans already existed then

[tropic oak]

i would be in the utterly deranged

actually you would be too we both made this theory

[split mortar]

Idk why her organs got inverted

[dusk laurel]

oh right yeah i turned her into a horse

silly me how could i forget

[young socket]

YOU NEVER DID

[eager bluff]

ok

[split mortar]

So you are a natural horse?

[eager bluff]

then i did

horse beam

[young socket]

IM NOT A HORSE

[split mortar]

Its written down i dont make the rules

[young socket]

WHY AM I A BITCH

[split mortar]

Cause you are one

[young socket]

IM NOT A HORSE

SEE NOT A HORSE

[split mortar]

Didnt you play deltarune you cant pick who you are

[dusk laurel]

idk tsuki its 3 to 1 on this one

[slate night]

Why thank you

[dusk laurel]

the court rules that you are legally a horse

[eager bluff]

sorry thats not how that works

but if you really want to lose 300 dollars sure go a head

[split mortar]

You have 300 dollars of debt?

[split mortar]

Hello we are not loring

[wanton pendant]

Cat.

[split mortar]

We are shouting horse and demon at tsuki

[slate night]

Nah this is Sunken scourge lore

[tropic oak]

do you like my visual explanation between the differences of perfect and imperfect ascension

[split mortar]

You come into existence 3 nights in the future

[eager bluff]

oops! (leftover from buying a car

[split mortar]

O damn

[slate night]

Sorry you are over 20 years late on that prediction

[split mortar]

No thats your birth not your entering of existence

[raven brook]

What the hells is happening here

I don't know what it is but stop that

i can feel the presence of lore chat brainrot without even knowing the context

[wanton pendant]

Things are set in motion that cannot be undone. We must endure.

[split mortar]

First we were shouting horse and demon at tsuki
Ensue shenanigans
Melon incomprehensibleness i think

[eager bluff]

we're just shouting horse and demon at tsuki

[dusk laurel]

melon gun caused this

[slate night]

The conversation has been derailed for like 5 mins at worst

[raven brook]

yeah checks out

[wanton pendant]

Good old Melon Gun, you can blame them and be right!

[split mortar]

Used to be talk about
HEY WHY ME
About rebirth god terrarian vs xeroc

[dusk laurel]

you like

[wanton pendant]

Because you're British.

[dusk laurel]

literally caused the dominos to fall

anyways i dont feel like getting smited for the first time so im gonna flee

[split mortar]

I am too much for the chat to handle is all im hearing my mere presence causes this place to degrade

[normal mantle]

Not abt base calamity lore but what the HELL is the avatar of emptiness

[tropic oak]

a thing

[split mortar]

God of a dead universe i think?

[normal mantle]

Is it just space Satan

[wanton pendant]

God but dead and something killed him.

[normal mantle]

I’m calling it space Satan

[split mortar]

While nameless is god of a living universe?

[slate night]

God of rebirth terrarian low difs xeroc btw because he's goated by virtue of being an extention of my person

[eager bluff]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Why did I get a notification there's nothing anywhere?

[slate night]

Anyway buh bye fine fellas I gotta sleep

[split mortar]

Same its 1 am here

[wanton pendant]

British.

[split mortar]

Says you

[wanton pendant]

Yes, says me, for I'm not British, but thou are.

[split mortar]

Ok britain

[split mortar]

Not a question to ask in a 13+ server i think

[final bison]

oh shit i forgot

FUCK

[raven brook]

Hello.

[final bison]

[split mortar]

@woeful karma fovos ascension message plz

Nvm

[hollow pivot]

What does this mean?

[split mortar]

This

[hollow pivot]

Why can you summon Providence in the Hallow? Is that a leftover mechanic from old lore or does she have some connection there?

[raven brook]

the former yea

[wanton pendant]

Old lore leftover. She has literally nothing to do with it.

[untold forge]

I miss my ability to react to things lmao

Oh my!!

[latent bolt]

why are people talking about god of rebirth terrarian

i dont believe the terrarian even knows the ritual for absorbing an Auric Soul

[languid badge]

only because plot says we arnt allowed to know it smh

[robust osprey]

reads yharim mind and learns the ritual

[languid badge]

see you get it

[light linden]

I do find it surprising that mind reading magic isn't a thing

[latent bolt]

what kind of power could Yharim in a theoretical scenario attain if he did absorb Yharon's auric soul?

[robust osprey]

god of eternity

he just gets the soul of eternity

[plucky juniper]

that

that actually sounds fucking terrifying

if he's eternal

then yea

[languid badge]

yharim aint doing shit with that guy arround

[latent bolt]

uhhhhh
would Xeroc still be stronger because he is one of the two that had the perfect form of the ritual

plus Silva cant be reasonably killed permanently because she is one of the five Elementals

[robust osprey]

probably

pl is

Very Strong™

[light linden]

it's literally defense vs offense

Silva can not die by any reasonable metric

and Xeroc commands the sun

[hollow pivot]

Reference?

[sleek halo]

it’s just dev opinions, any domain that could be tied back to rebirth would be viable

it’s just what also makes sense in terms of cals story

[untold forge]

Sneaky fargos reference

[sleek halo]

ic what he meant now. executes myself

[hollow pivot]

So is the Tesla Amulet (In-lore) a mix of Aerialite, Stormlion Mandibles and Sea Prisms because
Aerialight makes it lite, Sea Prisms make it permanently exude energy and the Stormlion Mandibles give the Sea Prisms an initial shock to increase the output?

(Ignore the rope keeping it in place)

[long bloom]

sure i guess ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

what the hell did discord do to that emoticon

[untold forge]

its starting to take control watch out

[pulsar ocean]

That’s a sick emoticon

[hollow pivot]

Emoticons>Emojis 👀

[long bloom]

if ur on mobile, put japanese on ur gboard

there's hundreds of them

[weary fractal]

What was the old Providence lore anyways?

[long bloom]

the light and dark gods fought so hard it created a new god

[analog tide]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow pivot]

Is that not just Primordials in D&D?

[long bloom]

idfk

[hollow pivot]

Is there a lore reason for why some ores just spawn in rock after a random boss dies? Like how does Skeletron Prime dying just create a new ore 5km down from where he died?

[weary fractal]

I don't think there's anything mentioned for the mecha bosses specifically, no. Later Calamity-exclusive ores have clearer reasoning.

[long bloom]

^

[untold forge]

gameplay over lore most likely

but you could hc it as souls enriching the ores

[robust osprey]

thats a decent enough headcanon me thinks

[hollow pivot]

Why is Aerialite connected to the Hive Mind? And was it released by the Vretrasyl on death, or was it released by the death of a potential absorber of Vretrasyl?

[hollow pivot]

The reason why Vretrasyl could've been absorbed despite being killed by Fovos and then used for the Vortex Pillar, is because the Dragon of Life did the same for the Stardust Pillar, yet was still later absorbed by Silva.

[light linden]

ok to give an answer

at least to the former

that's gonna change

dragonfolly and the evil two bosses are swappin in progression

with dragonfolly becoming a sky boss

[robust osprey]

confirmed??

[light linden]

iirc the new lore for dragonfolly will have them being a sort of vulture of draconic essence

[hollow pivot]

Is this guaranteed?

[light linden]

to my knowledge yes

or at least very very very likely

[hollow pivot]

Sounds like Grand Thunder Bird since he already uses electricity.

[light linden]

oh also fun fact about vetrasyl

[robust osprey]

ok it would make sense I have seen about everyone talk about that change

[light linden]

the wyverns are his descendants

[hollow pivot]

Is this really a fun fact?

[robust osprey]

good thing he's dead I don't think I could stand more wyverns around

yharim speechbubble

[hollow pivot]

Yharim loves dragons though.

[robust osprey]

right. I confused it with something else

nevermind me

[hollow pivot]

Are Wyverns sentient?

[light linden]

that's a question for stip

[hollow pivot]

Is that the new lore writer?

[robust osprey]

I don't think he's new

I'm pretty sure he has been around for atleast a year and a half or so

[hollow pivot]

Is that the new Head Lore Writer*

[robust osprey]

but yes he's a lore writer

[scenic olive]

lorer

[sinful adder]

Adorable pfp btw

Ralsei ❤️

[wind kelp]

xeroc is the first god but why is he so much stronger than all the others, why is yharim not trying to go after him when its stated that he wouldve tried to kill calamitas no matter the cost if she was a god implying even if she was stronger he wouldve gone for it, and how do people know xeroc is fighting the distortion/noxus whatever

[robust osprey]

yayyy

tyy

[scenic olive]

potential and training

is Zeratros still the king of the Auric dragons

[long bloom]

he was
before he fucking died

[long bloom]

1. zeratros was extremely powerful, and xeroc performed a perfect ascension. they've also been training constantly for at least 850 years
2. it's nigh impossible to reach xeroc, let alone defeat them, so yharim is kinda sorta giving up
3. the distortion thing was a leak but isn't much of a stretch to assume

[robust osprey]

also worth mentioning primordial light which is both zeratros' and xeroc's domain is like

giga op

[long bloom]

yeah

unmatched power of the sun

[robust osprey]

xeroc says "fuck you" and just throws the sun at you

[long bloom]

[cosmic minnow]

I forgot, is xeroc just the sun or uses the sun for power?

or how did that whole thing work again

[long bloom]

controls the sun

[cosmic minnow]

Controlling a whole star

Mad

[long bloom]

it's moon sized in calamity

still insane tho

[tropic oak]

the sun is a deadly laserrrrrrr

not anymore theres a blanketttttttt

[wind kelp]

zeratros was almost killed by moon lord despite fighting him alongside several other dragons, does that suggest that xeroc and moon lord would be fairly close together, if not one slightly edging the other out? why wouldnt draedon find the terminus if he 'surveyed this world's surface and skies many times over', and the abyss would be involved in this surface since it is a sort of chasm/valley, and if he had found it would it not make sense that he take action on it or if he found it during his tenure under yharim have him take action and thusly or otherwise learn of xeroc?

[long bloom]

draedon can't find the dragon aerie

not the terminus

[wind kelp]

so then the calamity sun has existed since the beginning of the universe?

[long bloom]

idk