lore-discussion

[eternal veldt]

So technically you can fight the sun. But empress is probobly not even using 1% of xeroc's powers. But hey there is hope

[hollow pivot]

Bestiary for EoL btw.

[eternal veldt]

Yes

[long bloom]

address me

[calm patio]

perhaps

[hollow pivot]

EoL only uses Primordial Light properly in Daylight, otherwise it's Primordial Moonlight.

[scenic olive]

[eternal veldt]

Draedon is the god of aurafarming. He did the ascension ritual claiming batman and piccolo's soul to ascend

[eternal veldt]

Beatable. Im not a meelee main LMAO i know how to dodge

Yes im gonna slander meelees even in here

[scenic olive]

so empress is an offspring?

[eternal veldt]

True meelee mains realizing DoG is a worm boss

[eternal veldt]

Don't say it like that. Gooning to her sounds illegal if you put it like that

[scenic olive]

what

[dapper crypt]

Hi everyone, I'm new here

[eternal veldt]

Hi new im yui

[pulsar ocean]

How much miracle mechs to take down xeroc

[dapper crypt]

What's good?

[eternal veldt]

A lot

[pulsar ocean]

Surely draedon won’t stop at exo

[scenic olive]

miracle mechs

[long bloom]

tf is a miracle mech

[pulsar ocean]

Miracle matter mech bro

[scenic olive]

do we have a lore about miracle matter btw

[eternal veldt]

Draedon is a mad scientist pretty sure he can come up with 40 yharims

[eager bluff]

yeah

basically we stabilized radioactive material

[long bloom]

it's random bullshit the terrarian mashed together and is somehow the most powerful material to exist

[pulsar ocean]

Why don’t we clone yharim 39 times and give each one of them a mock auric set

[eternal veldt]

Btw why did draedon leave yharim's side again?

[eager bluff]

yharim fired him

[scenic olive]

like do we know how it actually works?

[long bloom]

yharim got mad that he was making the plague

[eager bluff]

no

[long bloom]

read the draetalk entry

[scenic olive]

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t draedon make miracle mechs and how much miracle mechs to take down xeroc

[long bloom]

it's in the lore reference doc

[long bloom]

we can't know how strong a miracle mech would be

[scenic olive]

aw i dont wanna spoil myself now

[eternal veldt]

Miracle matter might only have been discovered by the terrarian

[eager bluff]

we know what we have is stabilized and that miracle matter tends to melt things and reconstruct them

[eager bluff]

nope

[long bloom]

fym no

[eager bluff]

draedon has known about it for a while

[long bloom]

draedon says you're the first to make it

or be able to use it at least

[eager bluff]

we're the first to stabilize it

[scenic olive]

yeah but he predicted its existence

[eternal veldt]

What gave terrarian this damn knowledge wtf

[pulsar ocean]

Can’t wait for draedon update 2

[long bloom]

[eager bluff]

draedon couldnt stabilize it because he follows actual scientific principles and isnt batshit insane enough to try shoving a bunch of metal bars inside of an exo prism

[long bloom]

true...

[eternal veldt]

Fair LMAO

[scenic olive]

or he just didnt have access to auric

soul

fragments

[eager bluff]

he did have access to auric it was just a pain in the ass to work with

[eternal veldt]

Murder hobo founds a way to create scientifically impossible shit

[long bloom]

because no soul fragments

[eternal veldt]

Just farm yharon fr fr 🙏

[scenic olive]

its the same question i asked about Biome Blade

[eternal veldt]

Yharim might have been whispering to the terrarian's ears the whole journey LMAO

[scenic olive]

its either terrarian just have the vast innate knowledge of arsenals or theyre really just that creative

[eager bluff]

ok yeah i checked the mm recipe

draedon just flat isnt insane enough to try this

[eternal veldt]

Murder hobo wins again

[hollow pivot]

Genuinely, how do we know to make this? Guide is dead by now.

[scenic olive]

maybe he just didnt have mock attuned auric bar

[eager bluff]

we didnt

we just fucking shoved shit together and it worked

[eternal veldt]

We jut put random shit together and it works

Seeing terrarian from outside perspective really is hilarious

[scenic olive]

do you think miracle matter have its own conciousness due it having fragments of auric soul within

[sinful adder]

Hmm. Given all those ingredients, you could argue it contains power from enough domains to approximate the world soul

Like it's got 4 different complete families of elements plus auric

[hollow pivot]

We just drunken stumble into a cult temple, kill the guards and the god, come out unscathed with new weaponry made from the god's corpse.

[eternal veldt]

Could be the one that stablized it tbh. Since draedon wouldn't have access to that becaus yharim

[scenic olive]

like i deadass think , the description of miracle matter says its amorphous or some shit

like it could just assimilate a bunch weapons and copy their traits

[hollow pivot]

Actually, he has access to Auric bars in some way.

[long bloom]

he can't use them though

[hollow pivot]

Since when

[eternal veldt]

Yeah i seriously think draedon would be able to make something insanely powerfull enough to be on par with xeroc if the terrarian helps him.

[scenic olive]

since auric rejection is a thing

[sinful adder]

Auric bar: bit of intact auric soul
Exo prism: semi intact vortex domain power
Life alloy: 3(?) different elementals power
Ascendant spirit essence: Mix of lots of gods powers
Galactica singularity: partially intact power from 4 different auric souls
Core of calamity: power from another 3ish elementals

[hollow pivot]

I thought we got rejected by the Auric Bars and just ignored it and got zapped by lightning making our armor.

[sinful adder]

Nah

[scenic olive]

Mock Attuned Auric moment

[sinful adder]

Having bits of yharon's soul lets us prevent that

[hollow pivot]

Since when were the pillars auric? They're simple constructs from Fovos.

[long bloom]

you use auric soul fragments to trick the metal into thinking you're attuned

[long bloom]

they're made of auric souls

read the bestiary

[hollow pivot]

Auric Alloy probably sees the soul and is like: “Oh it's you Yharon you look different mb.”

[sinful adder]

Actually no this is newly confirmed lore: Fovos has the power to steal souls, and made the pillars out of the 4 auric dragons souls that fought back

[scenic olive]

embed fail

[eternal veldt]

Fovos is moonlord right

[sinful adder]

Yes

[long bloom]

✅

[scenic olive]

thats crazy so the minions we fought in pillar events are originally auric souls

[sinful adder]

I mean, spawned from their power yes

[scenic olive]

insane lore drop

[sinful adder]

Solar is Primordial Light
Vortex is Storm
Nebula is Mind
Stardust is Life

[hollow pivot]

He got part of Zeratros' soul?

[long bloom]

yep

that's why he was dying forever

[hollow pivot]

So Xeroc doesn't have a full soul. Interesting.

[long bloom]

neither does silva

[sinful adder]

We don't know how that works but sounds like it yeah

[long bloom]

or otonilou

[scenic olive]

Stardust being life kinda makes sense with stardust cells

[eternal veldt]

Wait if that's the case do we technically have those very souls?

[scenic olive]

[sinful adder]

Two of these were willing ascensions, I wonder if the other two were?

[hollow pivot]

Ascensions are willing, it's just that Xeroc and Silva used the Terminus for a domain retaining/“perfect” Ascension.

[eternal veldt]

Btw is silva in the game?

[scenic olive]

hold on since fovos and noxus have some relation

and fovos can consume souls the end goal mightve point to noxus about devouring the world souls

what is this guys motivation

[hollow pivot]

Silva is never seen in-game, although she is mentioned, and is said to be in the abyss rejuvenating, we just can't see it right now.

[eternal veldt]

What truely wanna know is DoG is he actually just a soldier or is yharim just schizo paranoid

[eternal veldt]

Fair

[sinful adder]

No, I mean the dragons gave up their souls willingly

[scenic olive]

hmm i thought the war costed like half of the auric dragons

why did fovos only took 4

[eternal veldt]

4 of the strongest maybe

[sinful adder]

Idk

[scenic olive]

so any lore on luminite and meld blobs

[eternal veldt]

Just took 4 of the strongest and killed off the rest nobody knows

[long bloom]

he only made 4 into pillars

[scenic olive]

rest is consumed cuz he hungre

[hollow pivot]

Where is that stated?

[eternal veldt]

We have iron in our body. Moonlord might have some too LOL

Don't listen to me im making shit up that sounds hilarious

[scenic olive]

i mean when you kill him the luminite asteroid appears? and those are covered with meld blobs

or is it just his corpse solidfying into ore

[long bloom]

they're covered with exodium

not meld

[scenic olive]

oh yeah

i mixed them up

surely draedon has an answer to these mysterious asteroids

[eternal veldt]

Ahh yes bataman

Surely he seen this before

[sinful adder]

We inferred it based on dev statements and lore about them

[eternal veldt]

If the dragons gave up their souls willingly why is yharim mad?

[long bloom]

not all of them did

it was probably a rare occurrence

[eternal veldt]

Ahh

[long bloom]

and even if it wasn't, yharon would've lied about it

[eternal veldt]

And the doofus still killed the ones that did

[hasty geyser]

So... dumb question

For the Wrath of the gods addon

[long bloom]

addons aren't canon to calamity

[hasty geyser]

Is the nameless deity Xeroc or something completely different

Oh-

Dam

[long bloom]

not xeroc

[hasty geyser]

And the avatar of emptiness is not the other guy

[hollow pivot]

WotG isn't canon to Calamity.
I don't know about WotG's lore.

[long bloom]

nope

[hasty geyser]

Aaaahh

[eternal veldt]

Im gonna fry that damn chicken... i swear we should have used the mfs soul to ascend

[long bloom]

in fact, wotg will be updated to not even require calamity in the future

[hasty geyser]

So, Xeroc and yharim are not the same?

[eternal veldt]

No

[long bloom]

not even remotely

[hollow pivot]

Yharon might be worse than Dog.

[long bloom]

xeroc is the first god
yharim is the god killer

[hasty geyser]

IM SO LOST IN THE LORE

[hasty geyser]

I thought the god killer was the worm!!

[long bloom]

he helps

[hasty geyser]

So who was the mf who yaps throughout the boss rush?

[eternal veldt]

Yharim a victim fr. Got manipulated into becoming hitler 😭

[long bloom]

the document in the second pin compiles most of the known lore, in game or not

[long bloom]

xeroc

[hasty geyser]

So then where the hell is Yharim?

[long bloom]

yharim talks to you through the lore items from bosses

[hasty geyser]

Ohhhhhhh

[eternal veldt]

The whispers

[hasty geyser]

Okay, so will both of them be in calamity?? Like, game play wise

[eternal veldt]

Devourer only manipulated yharim to commit atrocities so that he can feast

[long bloom]

yharim will be a boss

[eternal veldt]

Yes

[long bloom]

xeroc might be a boss

[hasty geyser]

Okay

[long bloom]

depends on how the devs are feeling after adding yharim

which isn't for many years

[hasty geyser]

Dam

Im so lost by the lore lmao

[eternal veldt]

Who knows maybe we get draedon NPC and he can give us gear upgrades

[long bloom]

that's not happening

[eternal veldt]

Sad

I want batman in my world

[hasty geyser]

That'd be sick

[eternal veldt]

Magic of addons

[hasty geyser]

I think it'd be cool to go back in time and watch the downfall of everything ^^

I WANNA SEE THAT DRAGON GOD

[long bloom]

what dragon god

[eternal veldt]

You mean... stop right?

[long bloom]

zeratros?

[hasty geyser]

yeh

[eternal veldt]

Bro going back in time just to eat popcorns

[hasty geyser]

look i watched a 60 sec lore vid

[long bloom]

he's the dragon king

dragons can't be gods

[hasty geyser]

im so new to the lore

[hasty geyser]

yeh

[eternal veldt]

Im fairly sure that endgame terrarian could have been really helpful fighting prime moonlord

[long bloom]

pluh
you should read it i hear the writing's good

[hasty geyser]

will do

[eternal veldt]

You think like post yharim terrarian if went back in time would make an impact during the war with prime moonlord?

[long bloom]

mmmmmm

no

iirc yharim gets completely bodied

[eternal veldt]

Really?

[long bloom]

i think it was like
he puts up a little bit of a fight then gets completely shat on

[eternal veldt]

I meant like siding with the dragons coordinating with them

During the war im sure the terrarian would have made an impact

[simple tangle]

p sure even the strongest player build gets cooked by prime fovos or noxus

[long bloom]

with the dragons? no chance

moonlord has a healing factor that scales with the amount of people he's fighting

[pulsar ocean]

how do you become silva’s champion to get the armor set

[eternal veldt]

Damn terrarian is that weak huh

[long bloom]

more like prime fovos is incomprehensibly strong

[eternal veldt]

Wait how did the dragons go extinct if they are that powerful

[long bloom]

like
the only person that can bring it down by themselves is current xeroc

[long bloom]

like gods, they varied in strength

[eternal veldt]

Xeroc?

[long bloom]

yeah sry

[simple tangle]

n it wouldnt be issue for xeroc

easy*

[long bloom]

it took 4 people to kill zaelithar (flame dragon) and they almost died

[eternal veldt]

Ohhh so moonlord is besically almost equal to xeroc

[long bloom]

then there's slime god who killed the dragon of gluttony

[eternal veldt]

How about noxus what is the gap between them currently?

Noxus to moonlord

Prime

[long bloom]

prime moonlord?

he's way stronger

[simple tangle]

why hasnt xeroc taken down noxus, is he stupid? :P

[eternal veldt]

And yharim to noxus

[long bloom]

yes

[eternal veldt]

Probobly couldn't

[long bloom]

uhhh

[simple tangle]

yharim gets cooked by noxus

[long bloom]

yeah

but i'm trying to find the thing

[spare pier]

The power level list is wacko

Don't use it as reference

[simple tangle]

could the yharmy in its prime take down noxus

[eternal veldt]

Hmm so there is a stepping stone to atleast maybe reach to the point that terrarian would be able to spar with xeroc

[long bloom]

noted

[simple tangle]

in a purely hypothetical scenario where they have access to dog despite attacking noxus

[pulsar ocean]

Made by the goat noxus btw

[long bloom]

melon didn't cite enough sources anyway (not in introductory doc)

[simple tangle]

me when i lie

[long bloom]

kozzposting

[agile matrix]

would DoG win against Yharim

i am curious

[eternal veldt]

If ever xeroc becomes a boss is he gonna be severely nerfed?

[long bloom]

not even close

[agile matrix]

presuming DoG doesn't ambush

[long bloom]

yharim could kill him in seconds probably

[spare pier]

As we've said a few times, Xeroc/Noxus if anything is comparable to Gojo/Sukuna

[agile matrix]

i dont know what they do

are they comparable to Ash Ketchum

[simple tangle]

is yharim rly that overwhelmingly more powerful compared to like, demonshade / auric etc player

[eternal veldt]

That doesn't really change anything considering yuji reached sukuna level

[simple tangle]

i heard JJK is good should i watch

[spare pier]

Sukuna needs external means and an extensive plan to be able to defeat Gojo due to something that makes the fight extremely one sided

[agile matrix]

he can punch a hole in a laboratory and sneak away quickly after we kill golem

[spare pier]

In Calamity's case, it's just that Xeroc is much more powerful

[long bloom]

say it with me
the unmatched power of the sun

[simple tangle]

no fucking way that happens during

the playthrough

[long bloom]

it does not

[simple tangle]

i thought that happened like waay b4

[long bloom]

that was ~15 years ago

[pulsar ocean]

Me when I spread information on the internet

[simple tangle]

the most recent yharim draedon encounter was wehn yharim barged in and demanded a new suit right

[long bloom]

yeah

less than a year before game happens

[simple tangle]

mhm

[agile matrix]

no no when you kill golem he blows another, much smaller hole in the side of the Jungle Draedon Lab and

A plague has befallen the Jungle.

[eternal veldt]

Wait so noxus could theoretically defeat xeroc LMAO

[long bloom]

i do not believe so

[simple tangle]

noxus on his own? prolly not

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t noxus make more dogs

[eternal veldt]

With prep time like batman

[agile matrix]

(how does that even happen. how is the plague not everywhere. its been 15 years)

[long bloom]

archaic gameplay mechanic

[simple tangle]

if he jumped xeroc with a bunch of distortion goons i think yeh

[agile matrix]

give me pre-hardmode plague ........

[eternal veldt]

I mean does xeroc even have an army of his own?

[spare pier]

They don't add up to like, anything is the problem

That'd be just

[long bloom]

that'd be bad i think

[spare pier]

Noxus and a bunch of flies vs Xeroc

[agile matrix]

no itd be cool

[simple tangle]

cmon a couple dogs should help out right
ssurelyyy

[pulsar ocean]

Like in jjk

Worked for toji

[long bloom]

problem: we killed dog

[spare pier]

If Noxus could make more than one DoG he would have

[agile matrix]

why didnt he

[simple tangle]

dog-like beings

[sinful adder]

I have a suspicion I'd like to run by you

[agile matrix]

just take the dust he turned into and like

Make A New One

Obviously !

[sinful adder]

Noxus needs to spend energy to make his minions, and he spend most of what he had on fovos

[long bloom]

omg is this confirmation noxus made dog

[eternal veldt]

Terrarian would just kill the new ones for for crafting materials

[long bloom]

what did he do with fovos

[simple tangle]

considering he might have failed the first time with storm weaver, noxus might actually have struggled making like dog or whatever

[pulsar ocean]

He made him

[long bloom]

source: the voices

[simple tangle]

if storm weaver is a noxus creation that is

[sinful adder]

DoG was made with enough power to be a threat but was nonetheless made with scraps left over. He had the primary purpose of gathering more power

[simple tangle]

dog and weaver could just be native to the distortion that became part of the hive mind at some point right

[agile matrix]

"fuckin. piece of fuckin shit. son of a bitch. god damned."
"hi dad i made more contract :)"
"go away im making Worms"

[sinful adder]

So yeah that's my theory

[simple tangle]

noxus probably didnt make fovos

[tropic oak]

LORE

[sinful adder]

Noxus blew his load on fovos and ran out of stuff to make anything else

[tropic oak]

LORE

[eternal veldt]

Im more interested in where the terrarian gonna be placed among these

[light linden]

uh oh.

[simple tangle]

the terrarian is you!

[light linden]

no.

stop.

[tropic oak]

YOU

[long bloom]

might be true

[tropic oak]

you don't have to be the bad guy.

[eternal veldt]

Yeah but where is his power going to stop i know it's me.

[simple tangle]

holy shit its

some sonic exe

[simple tangle]

whos he

[tropic oak]

its just sonic.exe

[light linden]

WHY

[long bloom]

:melongun:

[tropic oak]

hi xzier

[long bloom]

why did siffrin appear

hi

[eternal veldt]

Is there just gonna be a power ceiling where terrarian can't get stronger

[tropic oak]

oh, xzier, when will you give me more than 2 minutes of screen time?

[agile matrix]

TERRARIAN

THAT

YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[long bloom]

whar

[tropic oak]

answer

[eternal veldt]

I decide to be stornger than xeroc if it's me then

[tropic oak]

xeroc is ME

i am XEROC

i love XEROC

[eternal veldt]

I AM STRONGER THAN YOU

[tropic oak]

LIVE LAUGH LOVE THE ROCK

[eternal veldt]

Kneel

[long bloom]

OH ur tyrant
didn't recognize pfp

[tropic oak]

You will die not knowing what this power is

[long bloom]

yes hello

[eternal veldt]

Im batman!!!

[sinful adder]

I'm gonna fuck it up more

[eternal veldt]

Clearly batman mogs xeroc with preptime

[random mulch]

batman fans when batman doesn't get preptime:

[agile matrix]

i mean he kinda just

makes prep time

[simple tangle]

1 billion peak yharims vs 1 giant clam

[agile matrix]

its like if your car just made gas when it was outta it

[light linden]

iirc

[agile matrix]

he makes time when he needs it

[long bloom]

how clamitous

[eternal veldt]

Terrarian is batman confirmed

[sinful adder]

More

[tropic oak]

least obvious ragebait try again little chud

[light linden]

the only way he won't is if batman is either completely unaware of them OR they appeared out of nowhere and immediately jumps him

[eternal veldt]

The asspull the terrarian does in game is hilarious

[simple tangle]

the terrarian

[agile matrix]

pull the omegadias

[simple tangle]

well my terrarian doesnt do that

[sinful adder]

I can't, this is near the limits of my powers

[eternal veldt]

Your terrarian has the knowledge to craft godkilling weapons. Stop

[simple tangle]

no

[tropic oak]

the terrarian's respawning is canon its an innate technique passed down from generation of generation in the terrarian clan

they dont want you to know this

[long bloom]

the terraria clan consists of the calamity ninjas

[simple tangle]

terrarian scalers when i simply dont progress

[long bloom]

who are at war with the onyx kinsmen

[agile matrix]

close! the one that looks like a primordial wyrm

[sinful adder]

Why can't I do reactions

[tropic oak]

correct. this is why Statis

[eternal veldt]

That's your problem

[long bloom]

you're not blue enough

[tropic oak]

whats wrong with you?

why are you blue?

[sinful adder]

fuck

[agile matrix]

why are you warned

warned AND blue

[long bloom]

forgor

[eternal veldt]

Got infected with the plague

[agile matrix]

confounding

[sinful adder]

Can I be a cool dude

[long bloom]

the council will decide

[sinful adder]

I insulted fabsol before it was cool and got warned like 12 times for that

I've been around long enough to have 12 warnings

[random mulch]

make me a cool dude i totally deserve it

[simple tangle]

what even is cool dude lol a buncha people have it im guessing its some old role that stuck around? idk

[sinful adder]

I've been around long enough to have made legitimate specific item suggestions

[long bloom]

it was originally just for fab's friends, then morphed into being for cool server members

[sinful adder]

I've been around before the first dokuro track

[long bloom]

damn

[sinful adder]

Now it's for fab's enemies

[long bloom]

[sinful adder]

Like me

[simple tangle]

yaawwwn my extremely niche suggestion for the wulfrum rod loot pool got implemented

[long bloom]

i have an implemented suggestion
-# (it was technically a bug)

[simple tangle]

see that chance for abandoned wulfrum helmet

[woeful karma]

i forgot i was antenizer

[simple tangle]

what is that

[long bloom]

antenizer

[simple tangle]

is antenizer the forgotten 3rd twin

[agile matrix]

SCal's adopted brother :)

[woeful karma]

i have TWO implemented suggestions

im so goated

[tropic oak]

bro i saw you in lore chat yesterday and i was like how the fuck does this dude know antenizer

[agile matrix]

i think i have like one

[tropic oak]

only i know antenizer

[agile matrix]

WRONG i know of it

[tropic oak]

more antizer knowers

whats up my dudes

[long bloom]

it's in the scrapped content doc

which is still very obscure ig

[pulsar ocean]

It’s ok ben

[simple tangle]

caan u send me scrapped content doc

[woeful karma]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xfuosyOtcaPjtU0Yv3DVtsVQv_EUAjEGamhWwAzW3DA/edit?tab=t.0#

[simple tangle]

im looking at this

this is

can i just say this is a horse moment

[long bloom]

🐴

[simple tangle]

can mega mammoth dragon return

[woeful karma]

i love you unnamed sun themed boss

[zenith geode]

how could anyone fanboy this hard

[woeful karma]

he is maybe

as the dragon of frost (dead

[simple tangle]

whats w the avalon glaze

[pulsar ocean]

Xeroc concept art?

[long bloom]

[woeful karma]

the avalon WHAT

[simple tangle]

???

dude

super corruptor ok man

DUDE

WHT ARE THESE CONCEPTS

ok this is cookery

lol

??????

[vestal karma]

Lmao

[random mulch]

ah yes, having to summon and beat a boss repeatedly

[latent flower]

GLAZE IM CRYING

[random mulch]

so much easier then: the bucket

[latent flower]

aww this is kinda sweet though 😭😭

happydays is peak

[sinful adder]

Listen, do you remember Terraria 1.2 era mods? This was peak mod design back then

[sinful adder]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Star_Shower
Is this technically the oldest weapon in the mod? Since it's from Avalon

[split mortar]

SORRY

[split mortar]

I changed the melongun emotes into siffrin because im mor comfortable with being represented by siffrin

[split mortar]

Do not amidias the terrarian

[split mortar]

I wonder how often the terrarian you image has been sent

[wanton pendant]

Over 9,000.

[reef wigeon]

He can just make one like in bossrush

[eternal veldt]

Does that mean noxus's advantage of creating things is literally pointless

There is absolutely no touching the guy?

[limpid saddle]

kinda yeah

[eternal veldt]

Like he's that powerful unbeatable even

That just makes me wanna fight him even more now

[wanton pendant]

Unless Noxus has the anti-Xeroc rock that's like, from the moon... the Haunted Moon...

[eternal veldt]

Used it for moonlord i think

How the hell did noxus create something more powerful than himself wtf

[limpid saddle]

he's not unkillable though

dev statements have said like 7 yharims if they play it smart could kill Xeroc

[eternal veldt]

I think 40

Since if it's only 7 yharims then terrarian would definitely close the gap insanely fast

Dude eats bosses for breakfast

[limpid saddle]

I think you underestimate 7 yharims

[eternal veldt]

I mean if you backread you would understand why. People here have been glazing xeroc over and over and been slandering yharim a lot

[wanton pendant]

I do remember the claim that 40 Yharims could beat Xeroc.
Also, at no point is it said that Noxus created Fovos.

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough

Question is will we ever see something similar to prime fovos ever again to have a stepping stone to atleast stand a chanc in the presumably sparring with xeroc if the devs decided to add him as a boss

[jaunty wraith]

Noxus has no relation to fovos

[eternal veldt]

After yharim there really is no more bosses to fight and only noxus and xeroc would actually give an interesting boss fight

[reef wigeon]

Noxus is a secondary antagonist, in my opinion. The supreme being (Xeroc) is neutral, which means the power advantage doesn't belong to one "side"

[jaunty wraith]

Is there a lore reason xeroc does basiclly nothing against yharims crusade or noxus' distortion

[reef wigeon]

Not really

I suppose almost everything happens on a single continent

[dusk laurel]

well a dev did say he went in there atleast once and killed everything in sight

[jaunty wraith]

The distortion?

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[reef wigeon]

And he's the guardian of the WHOLE world

He will surely take action with the Noxus thing

But I doubt he'll do it with Yharim

[eternal veldt]

Maybe he'll need terrarian's help

[reef wigeon]

Surely

[eternal veldt]

Would be cool wielding xeroc's powers as support while fighting noxus ngl. Would be peak

[reef wigeon]

Yes, in terms of power the difference between Xeroc and Noxus is enormous, but in real combat the only variable is not pure power

[jaunty wraith]

I think xeroc is capable to taking on noxus

[reef wigeon]

That

[eternal veldt]

But i think there is something preventing xeroc from reaching noxus?

[reef wigeon]

Sounds awful

Lol

[reef wigeon]

Lack of access to distortion, I suppose

[jaunty wraith]

The only known way you can get to the distortion is the ceaseless void and the devourer of gods

[eternal veldt]

Maybe that's where mr murder hobo comes in

[reef wigeon]

As you read above, he apparently began to kill things in the distortion

[reef wigeon]

And well, we killed them

[eternal veldt]

I refuse to believe the terrarian isn't special knowing the shit he can pull off in game

[reef wigeon]

But maybe when we can enter the distortion we can take Xeroc with us

[reef wigeon]

He's special

But not enough

[eternal veldt]

Yeah but that's where the how comes in

[reef wigeon]

He can destroy all bossrush bosses without getting tired

And they are made of Primordial Light

So yes, a lot

[eternal veldt]

No i meant his origin and how he can even craft and use the shit he got cuz ain't no way the mf just knows how to craft things able to cleave gods. Don't even get started on miracle matter

[jaunty wraith]

You know theres another character who knows how to make miracle matter

[reef wigeon]

Terrarian YOU

That you !

[eternal veldt]

Sadly that image cannot save the question.

Or do i make my own backstory

[jaunty wraith]

You make your own backstory

[wanton pendant]

Signus.

[wanton pendant]

It's YOU!

[slate night]

Where can I find an up to date lore doc

[wanton pendant]

Pins.

[slate night]

Thx

[jaunty wraith]

Draedon was not able to figure out how to make miracle matter...

But the guide knows

[wanton pendant]

We just need to add the Brainstorm stuff.

[eternal veldt]

Hehe a middle aged office worker, working for fate/destiny.inc itself tasked to clean up the mess xeroc, yharim and the gods created

[wanton pendant]

Guide is technically dead at that point, but he doesn't care, the grind never stops.

[slate night]

Isn't the guide's soul merged with the universe or some shit

[eternal veldt]

Oh yeah all of flesh

[wanton pendant]

What?

[eternal veldt]

That's vanilla terraria lore

[slate night]

In terraria lore the guide's soul is merged with the wof's

In calamity the wof contains a dead god

[wanton pendant]

Well, good thing this ain't Vanilla.

[wanton pendant]

More than 'a'.

Hundreds.

And numerous people.

[slate night]

Still, this would explain why the guy is so knowledgeable

[eternal veldt]

I think the guide was only used to weaken the wall of flesh and both of them are different entities in vanilla terraria

[wanton pendant]

Not really...

[wanton pendant]

I believe it's mentioned he has the ability to direct the wall, and that made the demons worship him.

[reef wigeon]

Yeah

Thats how it works

[eager bluff]

the guide in calamity used to be one of the people that made wof and yes can control it to an extent

[eternal veldt]

So technically you can become a god as a headcanon

[jaunty wraith]

So the guide canonicly dies in calamity

[eternal veldt]

Just a fodder god that yharim mistaken as a mortal

[reef wigeon]

In theory

[eager bluff]

yeah you can do that really easily

[eternal veldt]

Probobly LMAO

[reef wigeon]

Wait, I never thought of that

Good idea

[eager bluff]

the squid (but really really strong) from the terrarian is you image is a god

[reef wigeon]

Yeah he does

[slate night]

How is the player a fodder god if they can (eventually) go toe to toe with Yharim himself

[eternal veldt]

I mean that would explain all the stuff he could pull off.

God of progress.

Where the ascension ritual doesn't outright give terrarian insane powers and dominion but gives them unlimited potential

[reef wigeon]

Yharim only realizes he is a god when they meet

[eternal veldt]

This is all headcanon btw don't take this seriously

[reef wigeon]

That's simple

[reef wigeon]

It's good headcanon for me

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian isn't a god.

[reef wigeon]

That revelation for Yharim would be sad or tragic... Maybe

[slate night]

We are discussing someone's headcanon here

[wanton pendant]

The day people learn what headcanon means will be one where things are easier to understand...

[jaunty wraith]

I guess you could say were ascending beyond yharims control

[eternal veldt]

I mean it would explain the things he pulls off

[reef wigeon]

Headcanon where Terrarian is a god but Yharim doesn't know

[wanton pendant]

That's not a headcanon.

[reef wigeon]

Maybe that was all his intention

[eternal veldt]

Start off as a mortal because the ritual didn't give you anything

[reef wigeon]

And we've managed to demolish whatever he made

[slate night]

???

[eternal veldt]

Let's give it another word. Personal world storyline

Since the devs gave us free reign over terrarian's backstory im sure as hell going to abuse it

[reef wigeon]

Thats not a word-

[eternal veldt]

Lmao

[slate night]

As I was saying

How is the player a "fodder" god if they can theoretically beat Yharim, Xeroc and company

[reef wigeon]

Uh, I'm giving away pocket Cor Ex. Want one?

[wanton pendant]

There's a word for it already, fanfiction.

[eternal veldt]

Yeah this

[reef wigeon]

He can't beat Xeroc

[eternal veldt]

Yeah lmao the game forbids it

[reef wigeon]

Or they

Idk

[slate night]

Xeroc is a maybe on the list is it not

Maybe they'll add him

[eternal veldt]

Maybe but only sparring

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc can't be defeated at your power level.

[reef wigeon]

Maybe not

[eternal veldt]

The mod is still far from finished so maybe

[slate night]

So xeroc > Yharim

[reef wigeon]

Specifically, we cannot

[wanton pendant]

?
No, you literally can't.

[eternal veldt]

By A LOT

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is far too powerful.

This has nothing to do with mod completion.

[reef wigeon]

Xeroc > Fovos > Noxus > Yharim = Zeratros(? >= Jared(?

[slate night]

That's sad, I wanted to kick his teeth in.

[eternal veldt]

If there is a stepping stone for the terrarian to climb then there will be a way since if he's that powerfull adding him as a boss even as a sparring one would feel unrewarding

[reef wigeon]

(Jared = Adult Eidolon Wyrm)

[wanton pendant]

Pefect Slime God > Coco > Fovos > Noxus > Yharim = A really strong fish = Zeratros with a gun > Homeless woman.

[wanton pendant]

What stepping stone?

[eternal veldt]

Well terrarian grows stronger each boss he fights no?

[eager bluff]

you can still make a fulfilling boss you dont actually kill

[eager bluff]

not inherently no

[eternal veldt]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Yes, and if you beat Noxus, you'll still be a million light years away from beating Xeroc.

[eager bluff]

the terrarian gets stronger by making gear out of the bosses

[reef wigeon]

Not really. Having the right to fight him is equally incredible

[eternal veldt]

@limpid saddle see what i mean wih the glaze

[eager bluff]

there arent inherent stat buffs gained by just beating bosses

[eternal veldt]

Yeah exactly

[eternal veldt]

You just get atomized

[eager bluff]

so no the terrarian doesnt get stronger from beating bosses

[jaunty wraith]

Wait so if we cant beat xeroc how is he gonna be a super boss?

[reef wigeon]

Like AoE and Nameless Deity (They're not official but you get the idea)

[eternal veldt]

How do you make a believable defeating a boss.

[wanton pendant]

Sparring.

[split mortar]

Horrible

[wanton pendant]

You know that Calamitas is in the mod, right?

[eternal veldt]

Sooo not sparr with him

[slate night]

Xeroc is an ascended mortal though is he not? Theoretically the terrarian could find a way to ascend some time after defeating Yharim since there's lotsa stuff the lore hints to that isn't in game.

[eternal veldt]

Was she going all out even though he was sparring? Or was she playing with us?

[eternal veldt]

Not possible

[wanton pendant]

With what dragon?
With what ritual?

[eternal veldt]

Yharon

[wanton pendant]

She was TRYING TO KILL YOU!

[reef wigeon]

We don't kill her

[eager bluff]

yharon is dead and takes a decade to respawn

[reef wigeon]

But she tried to kill us

[wanton pendant]

Good luck getting ahold of him.

[eternal veldt]

Yeah so if xeroc go all out on us too we will definitely get atomized

[wanton pendant]

And remember, Xeroc has had an 850 year headstart at being a god.

[eager bluff]

you have one chance every ten years to try ascending and if you fuck it up you have to wait another decade

[wanton pendant]

Well, the egg is there.

[slate night]

What about Yharon's babies

[wanton pendant]

But you need the ritual.

[reef wigeon]

And she fights with the same strength if you repeat the fight

[slate night]

Are the pets not canon?

[wanton pendant]

If Yharon has kids, they'd be regular dragons.

No.

[eager bluff]

they're donor items

which means they're not canon

[split mortar]

They wont have an auric soul

And so ascension would be useless

[reef wigeon]

Siffrin do you want a pocket Cor Ex ?

[split mortar]

Yes

Saved

[eternal veldt]

What's fun about being atomize. Im asking if we will be atleast be on the same level to even stand a chance against xeroc or will it be like a test which isn't sparring then. It's just a test

[eternal veldt]

Im not saying we are going to kill the guy im asking if there will be a way to atleast reach his level.

[wanton pendant]

Not in any practical sense.

[reef wigeon]

Not really

[eager bluff]

i dont think you understand what sparring means

[eternal veldt]

I do since i do hema

[split mortar]

Its debatable if prime moonlord even stands a chance against xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Sure, if you managed to perfect ascend with Yharon's soul, then went to the hyperbolic time chamber and worked out for a thousand years, then maybe.

[eternal veldt]

Some say xeroc has trouble with him some says moonlord gets curbstompped

[reef wigeon]

But Xeroc can simply... train. He has so much experience that he knows how to control his power

-# maybe

[eager bluff]

current moon lord gets curbstomped
prime moon lord puts up quite the fight against xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Also stack cavalry combat ability for good measure.

[slate night]

By all means how do we know there isn't a single elder auric dragon hiding somewhere anyway

[split mortar]

Yeah
The exacts of this isnt something thats been agreed on so theres many contradicting info all we know for sure is xeroc > prime ml > noxus > yharim

[eager bluff]

the elder auric dragon directly says there arent

[wanton pendant]

Because Yharim and Yharon would have found them at some point, or they'd die.

[split mortar]

The last one is yharon itd sorta go against the theming and reasoning for a bunch of stuff if there was a secret one left afaik

[reef wigeon]

Xeroc could be something like a Speedy Attacker. Perhaps the fight will be based on trying to land a certain number of blows

[eager bluff]

i would trust the oldest dragon alive that was one of the strongest dragons even when all of them were still alive on the fact that there arent any other dragons

also narratively it would turbo suck if there were just. more auric dragons

[slate night]

Why can't I grab his soul then

He's old and infirm anyway

[wanton pendant]

Secret dragon called Coldsteel, Auric Dragon of Goths, their catchphrase is 'Nothing personel, kid,' they're stronger than Yharim and Yharon combined, faster than Xeroc and cooler than Draedon.

[eager bluff]

because you dont know how

[wanton pendant]

Teleports.

[reef wigeon]

Wait, I have an idea

[split mortar]

Yharons soul teleports the fuck away instantly to the aerie is why

[reef wigeon]

Perhaps Xeroc is trying to go back in time

I've read some dialogues

[wanton pendant]

To take turkey off the menu?

[eternal veldt]

Sparring usually means both parties having a go at each other's strengths which requires both to atleast fight on the same level. Not going all out but enough to feel like a fight.

Sparring someone below your level is technically considered sparring but it's really just humiliation.

If you agree to spar someone to teach them then it's training.

A fight to test someone's strengths is not sparring either it's a test.

All of these are technically considered "sparring" but im asking about true sparring

[wanton pendant]

So it's a spar.

By your own definition.

[eternal veldt]

Technically yes and also no

[split mortar]

Test would probably be better then??

[reef wigeon]

Well yeah

Wait

[eternal veldt]

Yeah test is a better definition

[reef wigeon]

Maybe

The final stage of Bossrush is Xeroc recreating the dragons!!!1!1!!!!1!1!

(sounds like a bad idea)

[slate night]

What if xeroc told the player how to perform the ritual and ascend as a reward for impressing him with the fight or some shit

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc wouldn't.

[eternal veldt]

He won't do that though

[split mortar]

No reason to

[reef wigeon]

He wouldn't

[slate night]

I know, he's a huge cunt.

[reef wigeon]

Or maybe

He would say it

[slate night]

Just throwing ideas at the wall

[eternal veldt]

Dragon is the last of his kind he won't

[reef wigeon]

But the player wouldn't know how

[eternal veldt]

Draedon could figure it out. He's batman after all

[obsidian plume]

id say the guy probably feels a bit guilty for indirectly causing all the dragons to die

[wanton pendant]

He's Ultron.

[eternal veldt]

This

[slate night]

If a mortal can ascend then it isn't out of the player's reach to figure it out

[wanton pendant]

And may not have a soul so it's not useful, as well as ascending would remove the last Auric Dragon that he wants to study.

[reef wigeon]

Yeah that's why I think maybe he want to go back to the past

[split mortar]

Yharim would have wiped like every record of god ascension off the planet and the people who do know have like no reason to tell you

[eternal veldt]

We killed like half of them already

[split mortar]

Also true we kill half the remaining people who do know it as well

[obsidian plume]

would signus know the ascension ritual? his whole deal is just figuring out a bunch of stuff right

[wanton pendant]

I doubt it.

[reef wigeon]

In a RP, one of my friend's characters has the Empress of Light as a companion

[eternal veldt]

Gods of the ancient vs a random hobo that got attacked by an oversized eyeball on day one

[wanton pendant]

Ah, a bard I see.

[reef wigeon]

Well no. She's like... A stand lmao

[eternal veldt]

Empress uses xerocs light in the daytime. That's one overpowered stand

[reef wigeon]

She trains the character

To use the Primordial Light

Because his main element is Light

[slate night]

Still, I think it would be an unsatisfying ending if you just kill Yharim and all the big cunts of the setting are still sitting there untouched with the only guy who tried getting to them dead

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is THE issuse.

[split mortar]

Yharim is like
The biggest issue

[reef wigeon]

Killing Yharim brings everything that happened to an end. Destroying Noxus will almost certainly be the best thing that could happen to the world

[slate night]

How would killing Yharim fix all the auric dragons being dead

[wanton pendant]

How does not killing him fix it?

[reef wigeon]

Killing Yharim doesn't do that

[slate night]

That's what I'm saying

[gritty kraken]

EoL bestiary jumpscared me

[reef wigeon]

I said it gives all that an end

[wanton pendant]

Like, that's like asking 'How does killing Hitler undo the Mongol conquests?' Those are two unrelated things.

[reef wigeon]

What does it say?

I'm curious

[wanton pendant]

She's a demigod I think.

(As in descended from a god.)

[reef wigeon]

Well, I read it earlier...

[gritty kraken]

“Children of god” on the 2nd sentence

[wanton pendant]

She's not actually a goddess.

[slate night]

I mean there's still some huge pieces of crap just standing there, the very same mfs who set Yharim on the warpath in the first place and kinda committed cardinal sin to become deities

And they get no comeuppance

[gritty kraken]

wack

[wanton pendant]

You mean the corpses?

The corpses that are still attacking?
Those corpses?

[slate night]

We were talking about Xeroc

Is xeroc a corpse?

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc didn't do any of that.

Dogma if anything is the one who put Yharim on the warpath.

[eternal veldt]

Im more interested what happens after yharim though like is he the last thing you will fight

[wanton pendant]

And he's dead.

[slate night]

Didn't Xeroc kill an auric dragon?

[wanton pendant]

Noxus and Xeroc boss fight 2165.

[split mortar]

dogma and war are uh dead

[slate night]

Which lead to a whole ass genocide?

[reef wigeon]

She's the children of a god who gradually took power over the world until she reached the hallow or smt

[wanton pendant]

We don't know the specifics.

[gritty kraken]

Can’t wait to beat and read ml bestiary

[split mortar]

Could have been zeratros bringing the idea up first

[wanton pendant]

'Moon Lord really loves cheese. They say that they have it shipped to the moon, and it's now mostly cheddar.'

[slate night]

Xeroc then made Yharim's brother insane, he pissed off some powerful geriatrics who decided to punish him by throwing his family including Yharim in the lava and the rest is history

Unless that is old lore

[split mortar]

We dont know what happened between the two just the outcome

[split mortar]

It is

[wanton pendant]

???

[slate night]

Oh that lore is outdated, cool

[gritty kraken]

Yharim secret brother tharim

[wanton pendant]

Don't be silly, it's Xharim.

[split mortar]

Xeroc has done literally nothing to the planet beyond eating zeratros since the ml incident iirc
Seems much more likely xeroc has tunnel visioned on noxus and the distortion leaving the planet to its own devices since he is the only one with the power to fight noxus

Without xeroc its likely the planet would have ended centuries ago to noxus

Also zeratros was a dead person walking even the worst interpretation means ascending is like net neutral morally since ml hurt zeratros that bad no rebirth was possible

[reef wigeon]

Yeah she did

(not my screenshot)

I had a random idea

[reef wigeon]

Master Albert from Megaman ZX Advent

In Calamity Mod

This guy

Is broken

Too many hax's

For example, creating white and black holes

[wanton pendant]

Proceeds to get killed by a 14/15 year old. Is he stupid?

[reef wigeon]

Yes he is

He was very conceited

Under no circumstances could Ashe and Grey beat him, except... THAT ONE

[split mortar]

Fun fact
I forgot i had this texture pack and so for a brief few seconds when eol spawned out of nowhere it was like one of those roaring knight invading a different game memes

[reef wigeon]

Lmao

[wanton pendant]

You've reminded me I have 'that' Calamitas Clone mod.

[split mortar]

Oh amazing

The caloro one?

[wanton pendant]

What other Calamitas Clone mods do you know of!?

[reef wigeon]

Maybe I'll make a mod that adds Cor Ex as a recurring enemy/boss

(when I learn how to program mods)

[reef wigeon]

(His second fight would happen right after you defeat WoF and is as difficult as EoL)

(and he would kill Moonlord for you if you die at least once against them)

[reef wigeon]

Wait, listen

Maybe, this is the ascension ritual:
roll up the Auric Soul and smoke it

[slate night]

Ok so I just catched up with the modern lore

assuming the player recovers the terminus from the abyss, what stops them from trying to discover the way to perform the ascension ritual after they defeat Yharim since they'll have access to Yharon's auric soul and the tool required to perform the perfect ritual

[obsidian plume]

the ritual is probably pretty specific

[wanton pendant]

The fact that the information is extremely difficult to find.

Beyond that, nothing.

[slate night]

I think it would be a fitting end to the lore if you had to choose one of several endings, one of them being performing the ritual and ascending.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but then what, make you do a personality quiz if you didn't perfect ascend?

[obsidian plume]

terminus is the way to perfect ascension?

[wanton pendant]

It is.

[slate night]

the lore says so

and the terminus is in a location the player can access, it being the abyss.

[obsidian plume]

yes, so terminus invalidates the need for picking a specific domain

[wanton pendant]

Unless you choose not to use it, or never obtain it but still beat Yharim.

[obsidian plume]

fair enough

but multiple endings works here anyway

[split mortar]

Yeah but then also thats too much effort

[slate night]

I fail to see how Yharim is any more of an asshole than most of the ascended gods, yeah he killed like 300 million people over a century but the gods seem self absorbed cowards who wanna be worshiped above everything else at best if not downright genocidal too at worst.

[wanton pendant]

You're falling for the propaganda.

[gritty kraken]

Is this Angler

[split mortar]

You have fallen for gold hitlers propaganda

[slate night]

No no he's undoubtably a piece of shit

[split mortar]

The entire hallowed is definitively good gods

[mighty zenith]

idk man i think killing 300 million people is a little worse than vague mentions of gods being evil by the guy who hates gods above anything else

[slate night]

But somehow even with such a kill count there are worse fuckers than him

[split mortar]

Yeah some gods are (providence) but not all gods were

[slate night]

Providence is like 100% worse

[gritty kraken]

god of dogma did nothing wrong

[mighty zenith]

yeah no providence IS worse

but the problem is assuming ALL gods are like providence

they're not a coordinated group

they're still people

with their own ideals

yharim decided they all had to die based on his own judgement

[split mortar]

Otonilou has been described as a saint and with the help of tyrian helped unite ilmeris which they tried their best to rule iirc

[wanton pendant]

Providence is a particularly bad individual. Saying she reflects the gods is like saying Yharim reflects all of humanity.

Clearly, Angler is a Yharim waiting to happen, better kill the child.

[split mortar]

Also not all dragons were good

[mighty zenith]

i mean thats just true

[split mortar]

Flame dragon being the main example iirc

[mighty zenith]

and yharon

[pulsar ocean]

what if distortion is like a dark world from the hit indie game deltarune

[wanton pendant]

What if the Distortion was purple.

[slate night]

The thing is though all the gods willingly partecipated in a genocide on an entire species for nothing but pure unfiltered lust for power. As "benevolent" as the best of them may be deep down they're still massive assholes.

[split mortar]

Then xeroc is YOU

[mighty zenith]

it wasnt a coordinated genocide

[wanton pendant]

You're acting as if the dragon hunts were a coordinated effort.

[gritty kraken]

Y harim secret son

[zenith geode]

some dragon hunts were probably coordinated

[slate night]

They still killed dragons over lust for power

[split mortar]

It was not coordinated and the circumstances between each ascension would differ

[mighty zenith]

the circumstances that caused the ascensions were all different

[zenith geode]

but there were absolutely some dragons that let themselves be killed/willingly gave their souls

[gritty kraken]

Old Duke killed everyone I think

[split mortar]

What if the dragon told them to ascend for it was better the person then anyone who may hunt them

[slate night]

They all knew how to perform a ritual didn't they

[worldly spindle]

I still don’t get the Hitler comparison cuz the only thing they had in common was the genocide.
One believed in race superiority, the other believed in atonement.

[slate night]

that's clear intent

[split mortar]

Yharim believes lihzahrds are below humans iirc
Just a casual thing he drops in golem whisper

[worldly spindle]

The fuck

[mighty zenith]

what if the dragon was terrorizing their home and the only way to keep it from coming back was to absorb its soul?

[slate night]

bruh

[worldly spindle]

Lemme fact check that hang on

[mighty zenith]

does that make the god who killed it evil and deserving of death?

[wanton pendant]

If you know how to use a gun does that mean you intend to murder?

[slate night]

Weren't they protectors of the world?

[mighty zenith]

thats what yharim claims

[wanton pendant]

Literally calls them below his people.

[slate night]

That's like a completely different thing

[mighty zenith]

and yet, here's yharon supporting a man who plunged the world to hell

[split mortar]

They live on the world of course they would wanna stop moonlord from ending them

[zenith geode]

the dragon of fire was busy torching people because they were bored

[wanton pendant]

'What a sad, piteous thing. Truly, a mockery in every sense of the word.
The Lihzahrds were abandoned by their deity long ago. They set upon creating the idol as a pathetic replacement.
The result is an amalgamation of the concepts and themes of many gods, prominently the heat of the sun.
It is a far cry from a mechanical god… for the better. The alternative is too chilling to consider.
While I believe this insignificant construct deserves no mention, the Lihzahrds revere it unflinchingly.
I see no need to intervene in affairs beneath me and my people.'

[zenith geode]

the hunt for that one was perfectly justified

well not fire

flame

or was it flames

[mighty zenith]

flame

[slate night]

oh this does not outright say "they're inferior to me"

[worldly spindle]

I see no need to intervene in affairs beneath me and my people.
That’s not a diss on their race. He was saying that Golem doesn’t concern his crusade since it’s a far cry from a god.

[wanton pendant]

He quite literally refers to them as affairs beneath me and my people.

He literally talks about actual gods with less insults.

[slate night]

I interpreted it as "Pathetic fools worship a stupid ass statue are not worthy of my attention"

[worldly spindle]

Yes

[mighty zenith]

Yeah thats moreso what he means

[worldly spindle]

Yharim is terrible but he’s not racist LMAO

[wanton pendant]

His whole thing is racism.

He had an entire civilian murder division.

[mighty zenith]

gods are pretty much a race

[wanton pendant]

For people who were religious.

[mighty zenith]

tbf those things are unrelated

[young socket]

he killed all everyone in a country because they simply lived there

[mighty zenith]

killing people for religious reasons isnt inherent racism

[wanton pendant]

The burn down churches squad?

[wanton pendant]

Because of their religion, that is by definition racist.

Racism included religion.

[worldly spindle]

He killed with prejudice yes, people part of a religion were as guilty as the gods they worshipped

I’m just saying that it’s a little different from the Big H cuz that guy was just a nut about race superiority

[wanton pendant]

Big H also hated religion.

[worldly spindle]

This is probably something I should research in my own time LOL

[young socket]

he hated fucking everything bro

he hated lgbtq+, he hated religion, he hated disabilities

he hated everything

😭

[zenith geode]

nuclear physics too

[wanton pendant]

He was more than willing to use it to further his agenda, however.
That's why he allowed the cults to exist in his higher ups, because it kept them loyal and dedicated, even if he knew it was insane.

He'd invoke God as justification to the German people, but he wasn't Christian, he was atheist.

[worldly spindle]

Good lord 😭

[wanton pendant]

They all loved pseudoscience, they'd basically make claims and insist that they'd prove them eventually.
This was part of the whole racial supremacy thing, they insisted they would eventually 'prove' it scientifically.
As you can guess, all efforts turned up nothing.

[slate night]

But like Imma be real if it wasn't for Yharim being a massive genocidal cunt I think the crusade against the gods could have been justified

Not against all of them, but a good chunk.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim killed most of the evil gods pretty fast from the sounds of it.

[split mortar]

Well yeah, you just removed the extremely bad parts

[slate night]

though I don't see how the "benevolent" gods are benevolent

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc literally makes the surface inhabitable.

[split mortar]

By being good
A decision done centuries ago does not define how people may be today especially one with the possible nuance as god ascension

[split mortar]

You mean hospitable

Xeroc does the opposite of that

[wanton pendant]

Nerd.

[slate night]

I think it's a classic case of "I wanna be worshiped so I play nice"

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc does not make the surface uninhabitable.

[split mortar]

Except not even draedon can find out of xeroc

Xeroc is not known

[wanton pendant]

People like you if you're nice? Shocker.

[slate night]

As in doing it for the sake of being worshiped and not out of one's own goodness

[gritty kraken]

Agnus reviving himself rn

[split mortar]

Except thats not the case

For xeroc

[young socket]

we literally have no proof that its like that

😭

[wanton pendant]

That at the very least doesn't make you evil.

[split mortar]

We have proof it cant be that

[slate night]

No but that still makes you a bitch

[slate night]

Cause it's a theory

[wanton pendant]

Egotistical at most.

[slate night]

a Game theory

[split mortar]

A impossible theory

[slate night]

nothing proves against it either

[young socket]

then stop stating it like fact and provide some damn evidence

[split mortar]

^

cant be worshipped if people dont know you

[reef wigeon]

I don't blame you for believing Yhapaganda. I also did. But Yharim is completely guilty and does not deserve forgiveness

[slate night]

You don't need evidence for a theory, you find evidence after formulating the theory.

Probably.

[wanton pendant]

That's literally what the Nazis did.

[split mortar]

Still this applies

[slate night]

Never said he wasn't guilty

[slate night]

Bro why the fuck are you comparing me to the nazis

[reef wigeon]

Like Providence yeah

[wanton pendant]

To point out the flaws in the logic.

[worldly spindle]

Not ever auric soul was taken by force

Even Zeratros may have given his up willingly

[gritty kraken]

And the Silva one probably

[reef wigeon]

Oh guys, diary's second day
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xq_qs-GWSI8GAnOhYpm6Ptu9LC9h9iX5_izHAH5-nxA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[slate night]

Problem: Are some of the gods good or bad?
Data: They all partecipated in hunting down a species which literally saved the world not much earlier and intentionally performed rituals to ascend, meaning it can't have been on purpose.
Hypothesis: The gods are selfish cunts, even the benevolent ones.

This is where I am rn

[wanton pendant]

Data is incorrect.

[icy veldt]

The dragons "saved" the world because it was their property. That doesn't mean they were good rulers

[gritty kraken]

Agnus did nothing wrong

[split mortar]

What if the dragon asked for ascension believing the person better then a possible evil bitch

[slate night]

that's also just a theory

[reef wigeon]

Yeah some of them probably did it just to not lose their "god"like powers

[split mortar]

Also this
Even an evil dragon has reason to save the world

[wanton pendant]

One with evidence.

[slate night]

Where is it?

[split mortar]

With thousands of theoretical gods its very likely to happen atleast once

[icy veldt]

Find it yourself

[slate night]

That's not evidence that's statistics

[reef wigeon]

("god" in quotation marks to refer to classical gods, not Calamity gods)

[wanton pendant]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2824688072&searchtext=calamity

[slate night]

har har very funny

[split mortar]

chat i dont think these joke answers are gonna be all that convincing

[slate night]

I'm trying to discuss with people normally here why do you have to be so antagonistic uh

[reef wigeon]

Uh Cor Ex Diary guys

[split mortar]

Idk 😭

[icy veldt]

I don't think anything is going to be convincing to someone whose singular goal is pretending to be smarter than they are

[slate night]

bro what did I do

[reef wigeon]

Well

[worldly spindle]

Please don’t mistake the uneducated for the unwilling

[reef wigeon]

• Dragons weren't particularly good or bad
• Gods neither
• Yharim was bad

[slate night]

Ok that's a perfectly reasonable take

[reef wigeon]

Although to be honest

Yharim is not entirely to blame

[slate night]

My argument is that all gods no matter how benevolent, are some degree of selfish for the very fact that they desired godhood so much and achieved it.