lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

It really isn't.

[reef wigeon]

Pins.

[split mortar]

Does not mean its true

[gentle osprey]

different mod btw

[wanton pendant]

What wiki!?

[reef wigeon]

They was

[split mortar]

This is xeroc

[wanton pendant]

No they weren't.

[midnight citrus]

Wasn't this his human form?

[wanton pendant]

Sí.

[reef wigeon]

However, WoTG took a different path and Nameless Deity is no more Xeroc

[split mortar]

Its before he ascended yeah but we dont have post ascension

[wanton pendant]

But we don't have their ascended form.

[gentle osprey]

I prefer his old look

(my opinion)

[split mortar]

This?

[reef wigeon]

I know... But i don't mean that

[gentle osprey]

I hate when people misunderstand me

[gentle osprey]

yeah

that one

[split mortar]

I moss the hair

Miss

[wanton pendant]

We've been telling you your translator is broken!

[midnight citrus]

His human form is always cool

[reef wigeon]

I like both, but the new one is more polished. He has references I really like

[gentle osprey]

nah, it just me that suck on the grammar

[midnight citrus]

I suck on grammar too

[gentle osprey]

they kinda make him look like the actual monk now

[gentle osprey]

well there is no shame on that

[spring helm]

if i could make one change, i'd give xeroc's new look the old version's hair

[reef wigeon]

Yes, the artist explicitly stated that he reworked him to make him look more like a monk than before

[spring helm]

not a fan of bald xeroc

[split mortar]

YES

[gentle osprey]

some time I thanks to those peoples who actually just try to understanding what we are saying

[tough sentinel]

will we ever fight xeroc at any point of calamity in like a future update

[wanton pendant]

Potentially.

[split mortar]

Potentially if the devs dont get burnt out before thrn

[gentle osprey]

a bald dude being the strongest in the story, what a surprise

[split mortar]

We wont kill em

[reef wigeon]

I think the same. However, his hair would be much more styled or beautiful. The previous style... wasn't the best hair

[tough sentinel]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Every cal god we know of iirc

Why

Why do i

Have

A screenshot

What

And not the saved image

What

[spring helm]

i forgot bro actually got named gloomborf

[wanton pendant]

Curse of Xzier.

[tough sentinel]

maybe you forgor

[spring helm]

cheese and her disastrous impact

[midnight citrus]

Hope nothing happens...

[reef wigeon]

I just want it to be like that guy who cosplayed him. His hair combined with the mask was perfect

[eager bluff]

isnt dragon of frost an rp only thing wasnt that not for basecal

[split mortar]

@long bloom get off my phone

[split mortar]

It real

[spring helm]

mega mammoth dragon

[gentle osprey]

isn't ravager is a mixing god?

[untold parrot]

what is astrum deus and what it it’s lore

[wanton pendant]

Star eating space worm.

[split mortar]

Ravager is agnus brought back to life and fucked up by necromancy

[gentle osprey]

Ravager is a incomplete fusion god?

[long bloom]

bwuh

[split mortar]

^

get out my phone

[gentle osprey]

hmmmmm

[tough sentinel]

oh hello green gaster

[untold parrot]

oh hello nameless deity

[wanton pendant]

That's Xeroc.

Not Nameless Deity.

[untold parrot]

my bad

[split mortar]

Not even either its the primordial light sigil

[midnight citrus]

I'm suggesting my friend to play calamity mod but he's at the latest version and he's waiting for Tmodloader to update to 1.4.5

[tough sentinel]

Erm actually I am the symbol that Xeroc seems to have created

[midnight citrus]

He's also trying to beat terraria on master mode first before trying out calamity mod

[split mortar]

It predates xeroc

[wanton pendant]

It's older.

[split mortar]

Prob made by the dragon king zeratros

[tough sentinel]

wait really?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[split mortar]

Yeah

[tough sentinel]

damn I actually didn't know that
That's cool actually

[reef wigeon]

There are no incomplete ascensions, there are perfect ones and imperfect ones. Ravager simply changed his domain when he was revived. He was Agnus, god of sacrifices, but became the god of blood

[midnight citrus]

I don't know what the meaning of that symbol...

Is it like a religious thing

On calamity mod

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Light.

[split mortar]

Its the sigil that symbolises primordial light

[tough sentinel]

It represents light

[wanton pendant]

Sunlight.

[midnight citrus]

Thanks

[gentle osprey]

not just that, I'm sure there are more than that right

[split mortar]

Primordial light being sunlight so the symbol could be argued to represent the sun??

[reef wigeon]

Primordial/sunlight sigil

[wanton pendant]

No.

[split mortar]

No proof of anything else

[gentle osprey]

ohhh

[reef wigeon]

Well, no, but there are similar things...

[gentle osprey]

so here the fun fact in game

[reef wigeon]

Like souls affected by god essence

[gentle osprey]

I'm hope everyone here is already know about this one

[split mortar]

Souls of light and souls of night as examples

[reef wigeon]

Yeah

[gentle osprey]

do you guys know that Ravager have two stages?

[reef wigeon]

Or beings like the provi's guardians

[split mortar]

Yes and ravager will be turned into this thing eventually

[reef wigeon]

Yeah at least ik

[gentle osprey]

one is post goldem, and the other is post polter

[reef wigeon]

I have a headcanon that Agnus became the god of blood because some kind of second ascension occurred due to necromancy

[split mortar]

Ravager is gonne be put to post providence or same tier as polterghast idr which when reworked

[gentle osprey]

I believe a lot of player ignore this and don't know about it

[reef wigeon]

I have no proof

It's simply a personal belief

[split mortar]

You need to kill ravager post provi for bloodstone

[spring helm]

wait so is the idea still that xeroc invented the ascension ritual

or has that been changed

[split mortar]

Yea

[wanton pendant]

He did.

[spring helm]

ok

[reef wigeon]

Yeah he did

[gentle osprey]

yeah because the drop is also changed after post polter

[reef wigeon]

And thanks to that they became they/them

[split mortar]

Popcorn active in calmain lore chat in the big 26 wow

[split mortar]

Its post providence

Not polter

[spring helm]

i do not envy whoever has to sprite that

[split mortar]

Dia is making this so hell has already started

[gentle osprey]

yeah maybe I was wrong, because I notice the loots changed after post polter that is why

[spring helm]

the theoretical yharim resprite

it's totally coming guys

just 10 more years

wait he got auric claws?

[gentle osprey]

I hate Infernum Yharon so much

[feral dagger]

10 more years is right now

look at the sprite 😍

[gentle osprey]

he moving like a dark soul's boss

[split mortar]

Didnt notice that

[spring helm]

don't worry, we won't see most of the colours because of the fuckass orange filter anyway

[feral dagger]

i wouldnt even mind replacing the sprite right now and just having him static

[wanton pendant]

Give him an Auric Watch.

[gentle osprey]

I hate the boss that pulled on us with the delay attack

[spring helm]

have you seen the calclone caloro resprite addon

[reef wigeon]

Then start hating Vanilla Calamity because all bossfights will be reworked (maybe)

[split mortar]

Aint that being removed

Or changed

[spring helm]

i hope so

[long bloom]

i pray

[real glen]

That's being removed

No more filter for yharon now

[mighty zenith]

yharon is losing his mexico citizenship

[gentle osprey]

been playing too much hard difficulty, the vanilla is an easy mode for me now

[spring helm]

yharon pissed off the cartel

[wanton pendant]

Ah, he's Brazilian too now.

[wanton pendant]

Peak.

[reef wigeon]

Yea yea whatever

[mighty zenith]

yharim owes money to the russian mob

[gentle osprey]

it would be really great ngl, for the changes of the vanilla bosses

[proper fog]

gloomborf

[gentle osprey]

Don't worry Yharon can cook for the cartel

[zenith geode]

"and has not been finalized"

[long bloom]

borfing my gloom

[zenith geode]

this name is NOT getting changed

[reef wigeon]

Fun fact about Cor Ex (remember, Cor Ex is an OC): He was almost devoured by Jared because he wanted to get the Terminus for his father (Xeroc)

[split mortar]

O damn

[spring helm]

you telling me xeroc got game?

[long bloom]

the divorce

[split mortar]

Xerocs divorced so yeah

[spring helm]

with who

yharon?

[split mortar]

Silva

[gentle osprey]

The artist are so lack of creativity ngl, If I can draw I would draw Yharim using the ark of the element cutting Yharon's hair

[long bloom]

[spring helm]

peak

[split mortar]

Photosynthesis ship canon totally

But inly in the context of they divorced

[reef wigeon]

Xeroc saved him in time and threw him onto the nearest planetoid

[wanton pendant]

Damn, one hell of a divorce.

[reef wigeon]

Oh yeah, Cor Ex wants to kill Yharim because he killed Silva (He doesn't because Xeroc won't let him)

[long bloom]

why

[reef wigeon]

Because Xeroc doesn't want him to get hurt

(Cor Ex could one-shot him tho)

He did this to a dragonfolly (It's incomplete and I haven't drawn the dragonfolly yet, only the attack)

[long bloom]

zamn

[proper fog]

what about flight of the beelzebun

bub*

[long bloom]

i think that counts as vocals

not lyrics

[proper fog]

potato potato

[split mortar]

That things lyrics is like
Just
“I like icecream” no 😭?

[proper fog]

😭

what

its "somebody scream" and "make some noise"

[split mortar]

Ah 😭 misheard that horribly

[wanton pendant]

In that case, I doubt you'll find any abandoned lore details in there.

[proper fog]

shucks

[wanton pendant]

Ok Goofy.

[reef wigeon]

Lainey's slime god

[craggy sparrow]

man fuck yo wife just get in my housing

I need 3 npcs for this snow biome pylon

[sacred pilot]

I have been thinking about the Calamity swap AU too much.

[limpid saddle]

another yomi calclone animation, featuring the left arm of Catastrophe

[pulsar ocean]

is it gonna be lore accurate

[limpid saddle]

how do you mean

[obsidian plume]

what's scals old lore

[sacred loom]

Which one

[wanton pendant]

Witch who joined Yharim after her family got crucified because racism.
She later feels bad, releases clone, runs away, gets captured, cursed, defects again after you beat her.

[long bloom]

her entire family was killed in an ambush from a rival village, so she went super saiyan and teleported all of them directly to hell with brimstone magic (yes this is real)

yharim felt it through the force somehow and remotely cursed her with a brainworm that told her to go to him

she worked for him until she discovered the cloning project and awoke golem in retaliation (yharim lived in the jungle temple) which gave her enough time to escape

yharim re-curses her and she comes back, and nothing happens after that until you show up

somewhere in there she incinerated the sea kingdom because amidias wouldn't help yharim summon the moon lord (?????)

[obsidian plume]

thanks, forgot yharim also had weird magic psycho powers aside from his super strenght

love old lore

[wanton pendant]

No no, don't be silly, he can't use magic.

[sacred loom]

This gives me an idea: What if instead of her pure brimstone magic shield, we break the curse down until she defects out of it, when fighting SCal

[wanton pendant]

Except when he wants to.

[long bloom]

this lore was scrapped years ago

[mighty zenith]

he needs a witch to use magic because he can't use magic

[wanton pendant]

It was scraped years ago.

Because it didn't make sense.

[sacred loom]

I kno

[long bloom]

calamitas no longer works for yharim when you fight her

[mighty zenith]

which is why he uses magic to curse her so he can make her use magic

it all makes sense

[sacred loom]

It sounded cool in the moment

[long bloom]

perhaps

[sacred loom]

He probably had mages under his command

[long bloom]

permafrost

[sacred loom]

He was plan A

[wanton pendant]

Nah, Yharim's Old Lore moveset is simple: Whatever Yharim wants in the moment.

[obsidian plume]

"hey perma, can u brainwash this girl for me real quick"

[long bloom]

[sacred loom]

And he became a [[KEYGEN]]

[pliant island]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/KEYGEN?action=edit&redlink=1

[wanton pendant]

He says no? No problem, just use magic on him.

[long bloom]

i loved when he punched a table so hard it killed everyone in the room and then proceeded to do nothing like that again

[mighty zenith]

he says no? just fucking kill him

[obsidian plume]

didn't it also make a huge crack through the jungle

[sacred loom]

He says no? Put him in an ice cube

[long bloom]

idk

[wanton pendant]

No, no, don't be silly, he needs to learn magic.

So he can't kill him.

Instead, he uses magic to trap him.

Makes sense.

[sacred loom]

Wait, did he in fact punch table so hard he Ice Age Scrat'd the jungle?

[obsidian plume]

probably, dunno for sure

[wanton pendant]

Remember: Skillset is whatever he wants in the moment.

[sacred loom]

Its his Auric Stand

Plot Xonvenience

[long bloom]

the best characters have no defined powers and can just do anything the plot demands

like turning a castle into a magic ice cube with a pocket dimension inside it

[sacred loom]

Just how strong Permafrost was

[green prairie]

installing subworld library on an ice cube

[pulsar ocean]

why can yharim send his brainwaves to our heads

[wanton pendant]

Because he wants to.

[split mortar]

Why shouldn’t he, he is the godseeker afterall

[green prairie]

i wonder if the Auric Dragons of Flame and Gluttony were ever reprimanded for being kinda awful? or were they just kinda allowed to do their thing until Zeratros ate it

[manic coral]

there was an actual reason i wrote in for why but im not sure if itll still be used to any extent tbh

[wanton pendant]

Check Bone Serpent Bestiary.

[green prairie]

okay let me go kill 50 bone serpents

[wanton pendant]

Tell me if you get Bone Feather.

[green prairie]

im in prehm 💔 ive really been slacking on my brainstorm playthrough

[long bloom]

descriptions unlock after 10

[long bloom]

what was it

[manic coral]

i mean id only say if i wasnt sure if itd still be used

[long bloom]

fair enough

i thought the seeing stone thing is still planned though

[green prairie]

the instant i load into my world for this im greeted with skeleton running green screen

[manic coral]

because unlike some people, if i dont know if something is going to actualyl be used or not, i dont talk about it

[long bloom]

[manic coral]

and if i care enough to want to i will ask first

also unlike some people

but anyways

[sacred pilot]

I'm on like.

Post-mechs.

[manic coral]

yes as for stone stuff plans for that probably aren't still TOTALLY solid

much less, dare i say

rock solid

[green prairie]

so the bone serpents were reltated to the Dragon of Flame?

[pulsar ocean]

Solid like some kind of snake

[long bloom]

i hope the concept of one item with logs is still used though

don't really care what form it takes as long as that stays

[split mortar]

Is this shade thrown at triangle

[long bloom]

and jasper i assume

[wanton pendant]

I have a GREAT idea for Amidias' dialogue portrait.

[manic coral]

no

it has been far many more people

enough so that is was, althought not a main reaosn, a contributing factor to why i left

[long bloom]

do tell

[dusk laurel]

[nimble mist]

Yo question
Is there official dev lore on what Meld is?

Some of the items have been renamed and reworked recently, so I figure the devs must have a bit of an idea of what it is / what it should be

[green prairie]

i always felt it was like, the blood of celestial creatures or something?

[reef wigeon]

Wait, when did you get out of the dev team?

Yeah I just changed my pfp to Cor Ex

[manic coral]

In retrospect

Sorry

I shouldn't have made this comment

Even if I'm still upset about stuff like this, and probably will be for a very long time, I should be being better than this

[reef wigeon]

I think I understand how you feel. In fact, it happened to me many times while I was managing an RP (which the admins eventually gave me). I didn't know what was right or wrong, and in the end, I gave up

[limpid saddle]

5000 more years of kozz not elaborating

[wanton pendant]

Well, is it?

[limpid saddle]

I don't know what that means 💔

like in this context what does it mean to be lore accurate

[long bloom]

you're dodging the question

[limpid saddle]

the answer is 'i sure hope it is' but i still dont know what the question is asking me

[feral skiff]

Terrarian.. I remember you're.. Conflicted

It is time.. for my battle to Win the War in the Dragon's Aerie..

[wanton pendant]

No more games.

[limpid saddle]

am i being challenged right now what is this

[dusk laurel]

games, unlimited games, and no games

[limpid saddle]

or infinite bacon, but no gamee

[feral skiff]

would you have calamity mod, but no games? or no calamity mod, but all games?

[west plume]

i see no reason for you to refer to me by name here

[thick bluff]

I wonder if Frost Moon has anything to do with him?

[split mortar]

Frost moon and pumpkin moon atm are not considered by the lore writers when they make lore and so are effectively non canon

[wanton pendant]

Since, you know, Christianity.

Jesus interferes with the lore.

[pulsar ocean]

maybe dont dodge the question

[eager bluff]

i dont think you understand what dodging the question means

this isnt dodging the question

this is asking for clarification

[wanton pendant]

You're obfuscating.

[wheat walrus]

lour

[untold forge]

O.O

[meager prism]

does calamitas have a temporary invincibility spell for bullet hells or is that just a gameplay thing

[wanton pendant]

Clearly it's a technique she picked up during the Crusade.

[zenith geode]

do gods actually eat babies or is that just yhapaganda striking again

[wanton pendant]

I mean, God of War might. But like, in a metaphorical way because war marches the young to their death. Or maybe he eats babies, I heard he was messed up.

[raven brook]

Where did you

Where did you even hear that

[dusk laurel]

old duke does, or atleast its followers, my source is the scion's curio as it is an artifact of the malicious dragon of the sulphurous sea

[raven brook]

How did you even question if that was a serious fact or not

What led you to asking this question

[zenith geode]

soldiers eat babies tf2 poster

[raven brook]

Oh wait

it was satire wasn't it

😭

fell for it award

[zenith geode]

it does feel like something that yharim's propaganda team would make though

[wanton pendant]

God of War totally eats babies, doesn't he.

[west plume]

Yes. Gods eat babies and it is how they get their magic. You must also kill all god worshippers as they kidnap children from within our ranks in the great Crusade.

[raven brook]

I mean he would

god of dogma would read the entirety of his Evil Bible to 3 month old newborns while god of war would eat the 3 month old newborns

[wanton pendant]

You would think this would cause internal strife.

[raven brook]

personally i think god of war is already better than almost all of calamity's villainous characters

Because like

[west plume]

Have you ever wondered how the God of Life gets her power? It's obvious. It's why I had to throw her in the ocean

[raven brook]

credit where credit is due man

He's honest

I gotta give him that

[wanton pendant]

Yo, Lord Yharim is that you!?

[dusk laurel]

eating babies grants powers

like elixirs

[wanton pendant]

Sign my severed head of a god worshiper!

[raven brook]

no "ohhhh it's a justified heroic cause! i am simply avenging those who had their powers stolen from them!"

no "ohhhh its because i wish to rid the world of suffering! only through complete silence and returning everything to ash can the world be truly peaceful!!"

no man hes just like

"yeah i fucking love killing people"

[latent flower]

where do we see any of this

lore doc?

[wanton pendant]

God of War lore is best left buried...
(Sundowner MGR.)

[long bloom]

you can extrapolate it easily from in game info

[latent flower]

is there stuff ab it in the bestiary

[long bloom]

wait what are we talking about i'm confused now

[raven brook]

Uhhhh xzier not really

We're talking about god of war

[latent flower]

okay

[long bloom]

oh

[raven brook]

bro has nothing ingame right now 😭 😭

[latent flower]

is it in lore doc

[raven brook]

There should b stuff about him in the lore doc yeah

[long bloom]

i thought we were talking about yharim's motivations

[latent flower]

okieokie

[latent flower]

no yharims motivations are clear

[raven brook]

God of War and God of Dogma were two of Yharim's first major roadblocks

[raven brook]

misunderstanding issue 😔 happens

[latent flower]

ya of course

[raven brook]

Dogma was the leader of the cult who indoctrinated (or tried to indoctrinated, that is) yharim

[long bloom]

yeah god of war functionally doesn't exist atm

[wanton pendant]

We gotta execute Xzier now.

[long bloom]

[latent flower]

peak

[raven brook]

War was a mercenary (?) that was hired by Dogma to go steal Yharon's egg and seemingly fought Yharon too for it

for the ascencion plan

They were killed by yharim as youi. might be able to guess

[long bloom]

the lore doc was changed to state that dogma stole the egg i think

[raven brook]

And went on to be one of the many gods making up the corruption and crimson

[long bloom]

war just killed yharon

[latent flower]

oh peak

that is actually v cool

[raven brook]

SPecifically

You know how evil2 is being moved post ml?

[latent flower]

yas yas ive heard of this

[raven brook]

One of the big reasons for that beyond it kinda Sucking that they're immediately after evil1 in gameplay

Is also lore

[long bloom]

also triangle said it's not a cult

[latent flower]

ya they should be wayy stronger

[raven brook]

because Hive Mind and Perforators, while both made of several gods

[latent flower]

if god of war could kill yharon

[raven brook]

Have Dogma and War as their main guy yeah

And like

[wanton pendant]

Just a religion you can't leave, obviously.

[latent flower]

does god of war have a name

[raven brook]

imagine getting such important characters that basically are the reason Yharim did Everything to begin with

And making them fucking prehardmode 😭

We dunno of either of their names rn

We do know a bit of characterization thoug

[long bloom]

neither do

[raven brook]

Dogma was very much a "The end justifies the means" type of individual

[wanton pendant]

Uh... Bush?

[raven brook]

His ogal was seemingly to make humanity prosperous but

[latent flower]

peak

[raven brook]

Did some very evil shit for it!

If you can't . uhh. tell.

COugh. cough. slavery cough cough wanted to indoctrinate yharim cough cough when he denied tried to kill him

War on the other hand,

I can't lie i really like war just because as ive said just before hes

[latent flower]

very simple villain

[raven brook]

extremely bluntly honest about what he wants

he just fucking want to kills people

[long bloom]

do we actually know this

[raven brook]

he just thinks killing people is Fun

[wanton pendant]

'Like the good old days after the Fovos invasion!'

[raven brook]

Yeah it's been talked abt here

[long bloom]

nice

[raven brook]

We joke about how he's literally sundowner very commonly but like

HE'WS LITERALLY SUNDOWNER

He's the War Guy who just wants to fucking War for Fun

[wanton pendant]

'Dragons are cruel, Yharim. And I'm very in touch with my inner dragon.'

[raven brook]

It's also very likely that

in a twitsed way

[latent flower]

i wonder if he killed other gods

[raven brook]

they molded yharim to be what he is,

Because to kill someone as cunning and manipulative as dogma

[west plume]

this is a gameplay integration goal

although it's out of scope for nearby updates

[raven brook]

yharim had to be more cunning and manipulative

and to kill someone as vicious and savage as war,

yharim had to, yknow. be more vicious and savage

[long bloom]

what specifically

[raven brook]

even if they were the people yharim probably hated the most, they were also his teachers

[latent flower]

not entirely true imo but i see what you mean

[west plume]

representation of information about the God of War and other historically relevant gods ingame

[raven brook]

I r emember triangle's idea of cultists of the dead war and dogma gods

[long bloom]

peam

[raven brook]

showing up in the evil biomes

as wandering npcs that arent like super important, but give you bits of lore and some items

[wanton pendant]

Giving the player stuff.

[latent flower]

god of war probably got a cult just so he could start a war with some other cult

otherwise he would've killed them all!!!

[west plume]

you can't wage a war without soldiers exactly, so i don't think he would kill them even if they were just standing

[wanton pendant]

He needs cannon fodder infantry!

[west plume]

thats just me tho

[latent flower]

that's what im sayin

[jaunty wraith]

What if vanilla terraria just one day decides to add a third evil biome

[wanton pendant]

You think he does some CK3 modifier stacking so he's got a crazy military?

[latent flower]

he kept them around so he could wage wars

[wanton pendant]

The Clutter....

[west plume]

what if the world was made of pudding

[latent flower]

instantly removed

[robust osprey]

fovenator shall raise from the ashes

[latent flower]

who!

[long bloom]

hell

[robust osprey]

fovenator

[latent flower]

who!

[robust osprey]

the evil third twin eye

[latent flower]

what

is this real

[jaunty wraith]

Fabsol wanted the twins to have a third eye

[long bloom]

in master death

[latent flower]

oh goodness

[wanton pendant]

He loved triplets, it seems.

[long bloom]

thankfully he was killed before that was added

[jaunty wraith]

Wasnt there a simular plan for slimegod as well?

[raven brook]

God of War also being how Yharim learned, in part, how to Manage his Army would be interesting

Yharim very much treats his troops well, not because of any personall attachment to them in a general sense, but because it means they're gonna be incentivized to join him and be loyal

The same way i can see War treating his troops to all sort of riches and spoils of war they'd get in their conquests - He himself dosen't have a desire for that anyways, he just wants the thrill of war itself. That way he makes sure they remain loyal

[wanton pendant]

Walked right into that firing squad...

[west plume]

God of War also being how Yharim learned, in part, how to Manage his Army would be interesting
yharim is a history buff, so maybe

[long bloom]

true

[raven brook]

Probably giving the most spoils to the strongest and most efficient soldiers too

[latent flower]

peak

[raven brook]

join my meritocracy says the god of war

let's go eat babies together

[long bloom]

damn now i want a spinoff about war and their conquests

[wanton pendant]

Now I'm reminded of my idea of giving alt universe Providence an Ottoman Empire government.

[raven brook]

War was probably an absolute fucking menacce

Like,

dude killed Yharon, even if it was a Yharon far weaker than it is now

And he was a major roadblock for Yharim

[long bloom]

imagine saying you solo'd the last auric dragon

[robust osprey]

aura

[raven brook]

And i mean his entire fucking thing is Waging War for Fun you have to be strong, either by yourself or due to your military force (Or in this case, probably both) if your whole deal is that

[latent flower]

i think a story with one of war's soldiers as a protag might be more interesting than a story about war themself

[raven brook]

Dogma on the other hadn i imagine more

Dogma's like the mafia

You wrong them somehow,

[wanton pendant]

War breaks your kneecaps.

[raven brook]

And now you're scared for life because everywhere you go you feel paranoid because they could have their eyes on you at any point

You have no idea what they're planning

[wanton pendant]

Like some kind of... Panopticon.

[raven brook]

You have no idea what they'll do with you

You just know the moment they know what you did you're fucked

[long bloom]

big dogma is watching

[raven brook]

wow its almost like

[jaunty wraith]

Funky town music starts playing

[raven brook]

one would be more fitting for a body horror monster while the other for a psychological horor monster!

oh gee

what an wacky coincidence haha

[latent flower]

i don't follow anymore

im unfollowing

you just lost a follower

[wanton pendant]

Cheese, you're losing subscriber!

[raven brook]

Perforators and Hive Mind ........................

The Plans ........

[latent flower]

oh

[jaunty wraith]

How close was the relationship between the god of dogma and god of war?

[robust osprey]

the agenda

[long bloom]

Dev_Plans.jpg

[latent flower]

yes the plans yess right yes those plans ofcourse

[long bloom]

gay

[raven brook]

P sure the intent for their design was in part explicitly to make Perforators represent body horror

[wanton pendant]

I'm leaning towards not romantic.

[raven brook]

while hive mind i syk

[latent flower]

agreed

[raven brook]

psychological

[robust osprey]

I choose to believe.

[raven brook]

Perfs is all about violence and guts and gore

Hive Mind is more abstract and surrealist

[jaunty wraith]

What if the hivemind spews out fog nonstop

[robust osprey]

fogbou

[latent flower]

foggy

[long bloom]

💥

[dusk laurel]

fogbound

[wanton pendant]

What if the Hive Mind was filled with bees.

[long bloom]

the beehive mind

[raven brook]

Jokes aside i believe they were more like

"Dude i fucking hate you but you're damn efficient so i'm gonna pay you 50 dollars to kill this one guy for me"

Don't quote me on this though

[latent flower]

what if the hive mind was rotated 180 degrees

[young socket]

fogbound calamity addon

[jaunty wraith]

When the moonlords dead, fog takes over the corruption and it looks like a silent hill game

[robust osprey]

what if there was a god of bee

[raven brook]

Which i mean makes alot of sense when you think about it given they're

both evil as fuck,

[latent flower]

yharim would let him live

[raven brook]

but the extreme poloar opposite of evil

[dusk laurel]

[raven brook]

Dogma is "I'm the good guy, actually. The ends justifies the meansw" and carefully plans every single detail of his overarching goals

[robust osprey]

vanillin emoji

[raven brook]

War is "Oh yeah i'm evil as fuck Lol. Lmao. Anyways i'm gonna go burn an orphanage down now" and just does whatever the fuck he wants to do

[long bloom]

war is doomguy

doin it for the love of the game

[raven brook]

evil doomguy

[wanton pendant]

Hey, Doomguy has a motive!

[young socket]

did war have a pet bun

[latent flower]

my headcanon is god of war is actually yaoi with god of weaponry

[wanton pendant]

War would EAT Daisy alive.

What.

[dusk laurel]

yharim inheriting the war crimes and authoritative knowledge from war and dogma

[latent flower]

who i just made up

[dusk laurel]

its like hes some sort of

[latent flower]

to avoid confusion

[dusk laurel]

apprentice

[latent flower]

fire

[young socket]

LINGUAND9XMAONYY

[latent flower]

they should write a mod lore about this

[wanton pendant]

It's like it's some kind of Calamity...

[raven brook]

god of war was actually yaoi with the god of Oppenheimer

that's r ight. the god of Oppenheimer

everyone's favorite

[latent flower]

isn't that just oppemheimer

from oppenheimer

starring oppenheimer

[raven brook]

no it'sw the god of oppenheimer

very different

[dusk laurel]

theres a god of cheeseeater btw it is the beast that instakills you

[raven brook]

he's not oppenheimer his name is dave

[robust osprey]

whos the god of celery

[latent flower]

me

[raven brook]

he just has the domain of oppenheimer

[long bloom]

god of cheese (cst oppenheimer)

[wanton pendant]

Gary.

[latent flower]

that was the dragon of celery

i hated him and destroyed him

[long bloom]

you have the terminus?

waow

[latent flower]

yea

[robust osprey]

wrong

[latent flower]

i just was swimming one time and found it

[robust osprey]

that terminus is fake

[latent flower]

they should really make it harder to find

[robust osprey]

celeri has too much of a skill issue to get terminus

[latent flower]

i call cap

[cosmic zenith]

The God of Oppenheimer should make a movie called Oppenheimer starring Oppenheimer as the God of Oppenheimer and directed by God of Oppenheimer based on the real story of God of Oppenheimer

[latent flower]

my eyes hurt!

but yes

[long bloom]

new vetrasyl art?

[cosmic zenith]

This is old

[long bloom]

ic

[cosmic zenith]

Very old, in fact

[dusk laurel]

i recornize it

[long bloom]

[robust osprey]

vanillin is old too

[cosmic zenith]

It's a drawing of mine from October 10th, 2024

[dusk laurel]

wtf

[raven brook]

That's true.

[robust osprey]

oldillin

[wanton pendant]

That's ten years ago...

[young socket]

hag

[raven brook]

Hey stip how's the economy going now that brainstorm's out

on the lore side of things specifically

[dusk laurel]

says YOU.

[cosmic zenith]

Oh, fantastic

[long bloom]

🎉

[raven brook]

Oh wow that's great

calamity win!

[young socket]

im not a hag

[robust osprey]

hag tells a hag that she is a hag

[cosmic zenith]

I won't comment much because I assume there will be something official talking about it

[dusk laurel]

[raven brook]

ooohh

interesting

Lookin forward to it

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Ozzatron is watching...

[robust osprey]

[cosmic zenith]

But let's just say that if my brainrot is an infection, the whole dev team is hospitalized and flatlining

[long bloom]

hell yeah

[wanton pendant]

They're dead Dave.

[cosmic zenith]

Cheese, read my lores.....

[raven brook]

where are thou lores ..

[latent flower]

sorry that was me

but yes im glad the lore is going well!

[cosmic zenith]

DMs silly

[long bloom]

insider trading

[cosmic zenith]

StipulateVenus lore for $50

[long bloom]

bet

[raven brook]

Y'know

Sky Update for $50 will be real eventually

so like,

close enough

[long bloom]

[dusk laurel]

🦒

[long bloom]

incomprehensible

[wanton pendant]

Experience my wondrous worlds.
Yes Ozzatron.
$50.
No Ozzatron.

[raven brook]

[dusk laurel]

[dusk laurel]

that should say "yes ozzatron" at the end

[latent flower]

bear0

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/nifty-nifty-hazbin-hotel-hazbin-hotel-hazbin-hotel-gif-1814997403695577984

[latent flower]

is that you

[wanton pendant]

Alright, give me $50 for Lord Ozzatron.

[cosmic zenith]

Yes I'm a cyclops maid with homicidal tendencies

[latent flower]

i believe you wholeheartedly

[wanton pendant]

I knew it.

[raven brook]

I hope whatever the next major update is has some post ml content

[latent flower]

don't worry stipulatevenus we ACCEPT you for who you are ☺️

[raven brook]

As in like. new stuff

[latent flower]

even if it is a hazbin hotel character

[raven brook]

Ok more specifically

[latent flower]

☺️

[raven brook]

New stuff that's not weapons or post ml boss adjusts

thats what i mean

im good with words

like some sort of

[latent flower]

stuff that adds more post ml progression

[raven brook]

evil biome update

like some sort of snowgrave

[latent flower]

and incestibofes exploration

excuse me

incentivized

inctenxti

incentivizes

[dusk laurel]

i NEED more vanilla post ml enemies

the dungeon economy...

the evil biomes...

[long bloom]

[latent flower]

my hands are cold

😭

[dusk laurel]

this celery is in the fridge

[latent flower]

too true

im just cold all the time

[wanton pendant]

What.

[latent flower]

idk i just have bad temperature regulation i guess

my body thinks we're on everest or something

they should microwave me

it would probably feel nice

[wanton pendant]

You would die.

[latent flower]

i don't think so

my food doesn't die when i microwave it

explain that

[cloud ibex]

put them in the oven

[latent flower]

yes tetanus joe

o7

[untold forge]

Don't start raising any sheep Oki?

[thick bluff]

As for the collaboration bosses, I think Yharim might say these guys are from other worlds.

[latent flower]

collaboration bosses ?

:o

[thick bluff]

Yeah. Deerclops and Betsy

[untold forge]

That reminds me I've never actually seen the Betsy lore item if there is one

[raven brook]

Crossover, no lore

[feral skiff]

if draedon has super advanced technologies from the 25th century, why hasn’t he used them yet to improve the world?

[long bloom]

he has

just indirectly

basically all computers originate from him

pretend i'm listing other stuff

[eager bluff]

giving everybody access to 25th century technology when previously the world was generally probably pre-industrial revolution would also be. bad

not only is there not the infrastructure to support said technology most of these people have no baseline knowledge of how to even remotely use said technology

[strong quail]

do I understand correctly that Chrysadia is the... wait what the hell even IS Chrysadia?

[eager bluff]

sky island civilization

[strong quail]

is it a city? a civilisation? some sort of nigh-deific being that is worshipped?

[strong quail]

so I did get it right

thank you

[long bloom]

sky island civilization that got nuked from orbit (literally) by fovos

the stuff we see in the game is the far outskirts

i guess it was technically a city, just. really spread out

[pulsar ocean]

Does god of dogma eat babies

[strong quail]

as the great swine once said

"Saying that someone 'eats babies' is stereotypically evil, but I'm a good guy and I eat babies! I mean surely it's not THAT bad. People who don't eat babies are just wusses."

[midnight citrus]

Also nice Minos prime pfp

I like ultrakill

[strong quail]

We'd like you not to make such references

[midnight citrus]

I just got back and I apologize

[jaunty wraith]

Wtf happened?

[strong quail]

nothing to worry about

[jaunty wraith]

In the spirit of valentines day? Which calamity would you all describe as romantic?

[latent bolt]

god help us all

[pulsar ocean]

Would it be morally correct to eat a baby if its baby yharim

[latent bolt]

no because he didnt do shit

he cant kill things at all either

[pulsar ocean]

But he’s going to

[latent bolt]

still cant do so because they havent committed a single crime yet

[eager bluff]

potential for evil is not a justification

[latent bolt]

Exactly

[eager bluff]

if it was a justification anybody could kill anybody and be morally correct because they could be evil one day

[untold forge]

yharim?

[pulsar ocean]

The difference is that we know that yharim is gonna be a piece of shit

[untold forge]

[eager bluff]

despite that while yharim is a child he is still innocent

one cannot be punished for a crime that has not been committed

[latent bolt]

by the time yharim starts his crusade i do remember him being in his twenties at least

[woeful karma]

yes but not because its yharim

its always morally correct to eat babies

[pulsar ocean]

Thank you

[jaunty wraith]

I feel like theres a very old tale of this type of thing and it ended badly for the one who ate the babies

[latent bolt]

cronos

[simple tangle]

i feel like permafrost

[raven brook]

i mean

not to be boring but

statis and braelor are right there

[jaunty wraith]

We havent even seen them in the game

[raven brook]

i mean yeah but they gay

whats more romantic than the only canon couple in the mod

[jaunty wraith]

Man calamity is now on romance

We should make an update where you can romance the npcs

[raven brook]

you can only

and i mean only romance Ice Tortoise the hardmode underground ice biome enemy

nothing else

[robust osprey]

nough

ice tortoise is friend

only friend

[latent flower]

is calamity mod woke...

[jaunty wraith]

Always has been

[robust osprey]

yes

yharim, the main villain, almost got killed by Gay Power

[jaunty wraith]

DoG saved yharim and banished statis and braelor to the distortion

Why would DoG do this, is he homophobic?

[robust osprey]

short answer: yes

long answer: yes he is

[warm gull]

hello everyone

[pulsar ocean]

chud

[obsidian plume]

tDateMod

only has zoologist so far i think

[jaunty wraith]

Dryad is likely to be next

[warm gull]

wtf

[pulsar ocean]

chuddy

[robust osprey]

I'm pretty sure guide is the next..

[strong quail]

Weaver's lore, line "He has monitored the Weaver since then. Little does he know, he has forever stood in the same position."
What does this mean? I do understand that He is DoG, but like what is implied in this line?

[bronze void]

Weaver it's dog???????

[sinful adder]

It means DoG is watching the weaver in case it is a threat to kill it. Yharim is doing that to DoG

[bronze void]

Ahh I'm stupid widhwjsbkshdisjw

[strong quail]

I feel like a dumbass

Thanks a ton

[west plume]

1. draedon is not a philanthropist and his goal is to not meaningfully improve conditions for everyone

2. draedon probably believes (and has calculated) that giving everyone access to his technology and knowledge base would impede further research

3. certain individuals are given (as in bestowed or allowed to purchase) draetech, but it usually has a specific reason. the most benign is that such a business relationship would improve draedon's ability to manufacture a tool, program, machine or biological agent, the least benign is like with the soul tech where draedon needed consequence free access to an inefficient and morally reprehensible to harvest resource, or the plague where if yharim had no prior history with draedon he would have made it one of his top 3 goals to stop the guy

if draedon is giving something he developed to you no strings attached and it is not severely outdated and does not seem to give a direct material benefit to him, you are already a part of the experiment

[limpid saddle]

5 million more years of spriting...

[reef wigeon]

Can I leave a link to a doc here? I'd like to know your opinions about something I've written

[cloud ibex]

as long as it's cal adjacent

[wheat walrus]

plpl

[wanton pendant]

Time to drop the Thorium Lore doc.

[gleaming swallow]

Bard

[reef wigeon]

Alternate storyline that includes my OC Cor Ex

[cloud ibex]

well is it cal related

[reef wigeon]

Yeah totally

It's just Calamity with that character

[gleaming swallow]

Y'all think Yharim got his own private island? 🤔 That's why he's not showing in person

But ey

That's just a theory

a game theory

[wanton pendant]

I mean... yeah, that's where he is.

[gleaming swallow]

Damn, I just guessed lol

[split mortar]

Its in the sky

[gleaming swallow]

I see

[reef wigeon]

Well, I think I meet the requirement...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xq_qs-GWSI8GAnOhYpm6Ptu9LC9h9iX5_izHAH5-nxA/edit?usp=drivesdk

Okay, embed fail

[west plume]

aerie

[icy veldt]

I love imagining how comical this would look, like the God of Dogma spends several painstaking months to indoctrinate infants, but then the God of War eats them and Dogma is just like "dude I spent so long on those and now I gotta start all over again, thanks asshole"

[latent bolt]

god of war being better than god of dogma because he doesn't feed the infants to the meat grinder that is Yharim's forces

[limpid saddle]

'does he know? he doesnt know!' gif here becausr tenor embeds dont work

[latent bolt]

[vestal karma]

The Gaga magic

[reef wigeon]

So... in case you're curious

Does anyone have the artwork for Ravager's new design?

[golden root]

Wanted to ask what exactly the "Blessed Phoenix Egg" is in lore? It can't be yharon's egg so does it communicate to yharon in the aerie for him to descend onto the terrarian?

[wanton pendant]

Most* boss summons aren't canon and exist as gameplay mechanics.

*For example, Exo Mechs summon is diegetic.

[fleet wedge]

Guys, random question, how close canon look of Yharim (pre deepfrying ) would be to the ToTK Ganon?

[split mortar]

We dunno what pre lava yharim looks like

At all

[wanton pendant]

Imagine Ganondorf but like, he can double jump.

[mighty zenith]

minus the green skin and beard he probably had a pretty chiseled face

[woeful karma]

yharim is green actually

he photosynthesizes

[agile matrix]

he's trans??

[wanton pendant]

No, don't be ridiculous.
Trans people can dash in the air.

People from places starting with 'B' can double jump.

[agile matrix]

he's genderless, but specifically post midgame?

[agile matrix]

he's bolivian??????

(i know the joke)

[wanton pendant]

Who is genderless?

[agile matrix]

the knight

Monarch Wings are generally midgame

[wanton pendant]

PAPYRUS!?

[agile matrix]

WRONG

the knight is Buzz Lightyear

[eager bluff]

no hes lihzahrd

once again..

[agile matrix]

he then woudl be green

[pulsar ocean]

why did they get rid of yharim being a lihzard

[leaden bridge]

frankly they shouldve kept him being a lizard guy cuz its fun

[wanton pendant]

He can't be as racist towards them if he was one of them. He needs to racismmax.

[robust osprey]

"every lizard sucks ass except me"

[scenic olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780489779825082458/1269681636098703431/image0.gif

fail

[fast aspen]

whats name of yahron parents?

[raven brook]

They are never mentioned in the story ever

i dont think they ever will frankly

[leaden bridge]

do the auric dragons Have parents

[split mortar]

Auric dragons used to be normal dragons before the world shards were given out iirc
So id bet yeah some did

[raven brook]

Probably id say

but like,

where Yharon came from is not relevant at all to the story specially considering how Long ago it must've happened give it'd have to be before auric dragons were even a thing

Yharon's childhood or upbringing isn't something that is necessary to know for his character

Yharim though, i can see us getting something yeah

I think Yharim's upbringing is alot more important

I don't think the parents will necessarily be named or even be relevant in that case

ut i think it's plausible for us to get something regarding them and just yharim's upbringing in john dogmal and at some point

[wanton pendant]

John and Jane Von Dragon.

[fast aspen]

what about

yahrim parents?

[long bloom]

phil yhar and mary im

[fast aspen]

thank you

[untold forge]

true

[final bison]

braelor kills yharim
"we did it gang! we saved calamity! i feel a song coming along! hit it dog!"
"i want you, braelor."

"what the fuck statis"

[untold forge]

🔥

[pulsar ocean]

is yharim an orphan

[wanton pendant]

Since the incident...

[agile matrix]

playing a mod where you play as a draedon testing drone approx one year b4 yharim is born, with the meta knowledge that he’s gonna be born soon

[west plume]

dragoness yha and drake ron

yha and ron had a child and decided to name him something genius: yharon

then yharon absorbed the auric soul of rebirth and lived multiple times their lifespans. the end

[limpid saddle]

so i've been looking at the cataclysm & catastrophe sprites alot for my yomi calclone project and do you guys think Cataclysm & Catastrophe ALWAYS had 4 fingers or did the revival process make them lose their pinkies

[wanton pendant]

Well, I assume Cataclysm also used to have legs.

[edgy frigate]

Mega man syndrome

[leaden bridge]

we dont know how many fingers terrarians have

[edgy frigate]

They’re evil-ish so they have 4 fingers

[leaden bridge]

think about it

[edgy frigate]

i feel like the slap hand is a good guesstimate

[wanton pendant]

Actually, you can see people with five fingers in the concept art.

[leaden bridge]

it does have dfive

[edgy frigate]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

See, five fingers.

[leaden bridge]

well but, thats calamity art not terraria art

[wanton pendant]

But we are discussing Calamity.

[leaden bridge]

maybe it is redigit's vision that terrarians have 2 fingers

[edgy frigate]

no

[wanton pendant]

If you knew the lore, you would know Terraria is a sequel to Super Mario.

And guess how many fingers humans have in Mario, that's right, five.

[edgy frigate]

If you knew the lore you’d know hands johnson created hands

Because he was hungry for hands

[leaden bridge]

hands johnson is ltierally not real man

he was made up by corporate for pr

[edgy frigate]

Dude im literally best friends with hands johnson’s creator

Pen kenders

And he says you’re going to go to hand hell for your hand sins

[leaden bridge]

not a thing dude

im sorry theyre lying to you

some people you cant trust

[edgy frigate]

You’ll see

And you will know the truth

[icy veldt]

Did he have the munchies? That only hands could satisfy?

[wheat walrus]

lih

[north root]

cataclysm used to have five fingers and catastrophe used to have three

[wanton pendant]

Real.

[pulsar ocean]

Dude they always had 4

[reef wigeon]

I think this can be the mask design for the Xeroc Swap. What do you think @spare pier?

(Sorry for the ping)

And he's not bald anymore

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t draedon get cancelled for being ai

And directly polluting the ocean or something

[long scaffold]

Draedon researches cancel culture on himself before getting bored and sending death robots to all the haters

[radiant forge]

so, moon lord is a distortion entity?

[raven brook]

Yeah

Do note that alot of the bestiary entries added this update will be rewritten, most likely. They weren't meant to be added and got in by an accident - Lore writers want to try making bestiary entries less... "forced" when it comes to giving you lore

[zenith geode]

i thought ml was something else completely

[raven brook]

However most of the lore on them is still accurate

[raven brook]

Most people assumed this becasue of lack of info of where it ecame from

There was nothing explicitly saying it's not from the distortion, and, well

[zenith geode]

oh thats fucked up

noxus upscale

[raven brook]

now we have something saying it is

[raven brook]

Not really

[radiant forge]

calamity moon lord's real name is fovos or something, right?

[cloud ibex]

Not real name

[zenith geode]

fovos is as valid a name for it as moon lord

[cloud ibex]

That’s just what people called him back in the day

[zenith geode]

its a nameless evil thing from apparently the distortion

the people of chrysidia named it fovos and the terrarian named it moon lord

[real glen]

Moonlord is from Distortion rumor CONFIRMED ✅

[raven brook]

Not necessarily the terrarian

Moon LOrd seems to be a pretty widespread name

[zenith geode]

ah ok

[raven brook]

It's more os just a more recent name

While yeha,

Fovos is explicitly what the Chrysonai called it

[zenith geode]

only assumed it was the terrarian considering

skeletron prime

[raven brook]

Even down to being inspired by Greek

[long bloom]

both are merely titles, and are interchangeable

[hoary cape]

So does this mean that moon lord doesn't conquer worlds

[leaden bridge]

Doesn't apply to ml's

But it is true

[real glen]

Pretty much 80% confirmed he works for noxus
Do you guys remember that the auric dragons killed by Fovos had no souls left in place when they died

[zenith geode]

yknow that makes a lot more sense in hindsight

[hoary cape]

I thought fovos just ate them

The pillars still being around ML doesn't make sense if he didn't conquer planets

[long bloom]

wasn't there some disaster on mars that destroyed their civilization?

[hoary cape]

Yah, but what's the different planets/moons that appear in the background when you enter the pillar areas

All 4 look different

[long bloom]

hmm

aura?

[real glen]

the planets that moonlord did something to it maybe

[sharp elm]

Hey guys I wrote an adaptation of calamity mod lore, with some originality added from myself. Let me know if you wanna read it, I would appreciate that a lot since this is my first piece of writing.

[raven brook]

Pretty much 80% confirmed he works for noxus

Doubt

Highly doubt

[raven brook]

The pillars are all highly implied to be derived from auric souls that ml consumed

Sure does explain why Solar Pillar is primordial light dosen't it

[shy dune]

so does that mean there were space dragons he was munching on

[raven brook]

No

it was the dragons from terraria

Like, guys

look at how Storm, Mind, Life and Sunlight are all capitalized for some reason

and notice how it specifies ML only needed a minuscule amount of Sunlight's power to make th epillar

And remember how Zeratros was probably going to die for good

guys

guys.

[young socket]

how it species

[raven brook]

Moon Lord didn't owrk for Noxus imo. it wasn't sending the souls to noxus

it was fucking eating them and using them to make pillars

[young socket]

One cannot change the past simply because it can no longer be witnessed.

[raven brook]

It'd also be pretty lame and weird

If a being far stronger than Noxus worked for it

Like, yes

you can have underlings that are physically stronger than their masters in a story

But something like ML which was such a massively bigger threat and the catalyst for Everything happening,

just being a goon for Noxus, who is actually weaker

would be rather anticlimatic imo

Plus we know Noxus dosen't like, control Everything in the distortion

it seems more like its just got alot of power and influence on it

Signus is a prime example of a distortion being seemingly entirely unaffiliated with Noxus

[hoary cape]

Fovos wouldn't bow down to noxus. Fovos would send noxus packing

Well before he got crippled

[raven brook]

Also yeah like

as ive said the other day,

Fovos by itself already almost won

If it was working for Noxus,

[young socket]

people should emphasise this more when explaining the distortion

[raven brook]

i don't see why Noxus wouldn't just come with him and basically guarantee a victory 😭

Sure, you could argue iwas trying to be careful or something

But come on dude

[hoary cape]

Because noxus doesn't seem like the kind to do stuff itself

[raven brook]

You'd have literally like

won

without question

If Noxus and ML had invaded and worked together during the draconic age