lore-discussion

[split mortar]

Yeah he made it to contain god essence once he realised he had to contain it and not just let it be

[analog spindle]

Yeah I thought so, wonder why Yharim made it's eyes so far apart

[zenith geode]

changed in 2.1

[wanton pendant]

I doubt he personally designed it. Obviously due to his crippling insecurity of having one really tall eye in the middle of his face.

[wanton pendant]

Nerd.

[simple tangle]

Runaway from Sinister Minds lowk fits DoG

[open iris]

Ok what bosses are actually dead?

[spare pier]

All of the ones you kill

[open iris]

Except theres ones like SCal and Yharon

[spare pier]

8ut since some 8ullshit happens

Any Elemental, Astrum Deus, Yharon and SCal

[open iris]

Astrum deus make sense cause theres only one of them protecting terraria so

Draedons still alive tho right?

[split mortar]

You talk to the guy after the fight with the exos

Guys borderline immortal

[long bloom]

ravager

[split mortar]

Draedon, yharon, scal, deus, anahita, brimmy all survive our fight one way or another
Either fleeing/ending the fight or being basically immortal

[thick slate]

slime god for a little

[open iris]

She went on feminization hormones good for her

[thick slate]

then that bitch got obliterated

[analog spindle]

Though wasn't Anahita killed as well because the lore Item states "Regardless of what you believe, they are inseparable even in death."

[split mortar]

Shes an elemental

She cant die

Atleast not until all liquid on the planet is gone

[soft flame]

lore doc says when you “kill” astrum deus you free him from the astral infection that subsumed him

[analog spindle]

Ah I see

[soft flame]

it just hasn’t been reflected in game

yet™

[cedar path]

Hello lore discussion

[split mortar]

Hey

[cedar path]

Does anyone else think Silva was unable to do harm or damage living things?

I know it's far fetched

But like

PW and Braelor are both blessed by her and extremely strong

Yet we have nothing about herself in actual combat

[split mortar]

I dont think she cant do any damage (whats stopping her from grabbing a rock and hitting someone lol) but i do think her powers are massively support based so her offense is much lower then her support

[cedar path]

Thats probably definitely closer to the truth

I just find it thematically cool for a god(dess) of life to be unable to harm

[simple tangle]

I mean life is nasty

[split mortar]

Nature is quite dangerous and she is the elemental of nature

[cedar path]

Also just wanted to get idea out of head and onto text

[simple tangle]

Go my herd of elephants

[split mortar]

Fair

[simple tangle]

A billion lions or Xeroc

[cedar path]

Also Terragon in not canon and has not been canon for a long time right?

[split mortar]

Yeah its being replaced since why does fossilised tree bark with life powers come from The Kill Everyone Fire Ash Goddess

Also plant gear numero 4748

[cedar path]

Ye okay that is ancient lore

[long bloom]

no just old lore

[analog spindle]

A billion lions if they attacked at night

[long bloom]

[lament axle]

odd question but whos silva?
each time i make a new world in the end it says dispose of silva's remains but never knew who silva is

[cedar path]

Elemntal of nature turned Goddess of life

[long bloom]

also the first dryad

[cedar path]

Blessed a warrior who was able to duel Yharim to a standstill

[long bloom]

(braelor)

[raven brook]

Goddess of life who's currently kinda uhhhh dead but not reallyu

[long bloom]

she gave him his axe also

[raven brook]

Her remains where dumped in the abyss, thats what the game means

She is immortal though so she'll regenerate eventually

but kinda dead right now

[long bloom]

she's a
heh
vegetable

[cedar path]

Is she tho?

What if shes conscious down there

Must be unpleasant

[raven brook]

shhhhh dont ruin the funny

[long bloom]

i highly doubt it

[lament axle]

wait where?

[raven brook]

abyss

[long bloom]

bottom of the abyss

all the way down

[raven brook]

the giant trench biome under the sulphur sea

yeah shes in the bottom

all the planty mush is because of her

[long bloom]

she's just not in the game yet

[lament axle]

oh

thats torture but sad

[wanton pendant]

She gets tossed in there every alternating Thursday.

[raven brook]

And even when she is she'll be like

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

a plant cocoon basically

bc again shes

yknow

kinda.l dead

[long bloom]

soup

[lament axle]

new npc maybe soon?

oh

creepy

poor silva

[wanton pendant]

Nah, she's very comatose.

[raven brook]

Nah again she's. dead

[long bloom]

effectively

[split mortar]

The other post ascension silva art cause they werent posted

[raven brook]

It'll take a pretty long while in-universe for her to properly regenerate herself, it won't happen during the canon playthrough

[cedar path]

Not doing a thing where even dead gods are still vaguely aware/concsious?

[raven brook]

dude

[split mortar]

Wat

[raven brook]

why did you have to post all of the images even the fucking BALD ONE

😭

[split mortar]

Explained it in the message

[raven brook]

yes of course

bald silva

very lore relevant

[split mortar]

Yeah its when she took a haircut clearly

[long bloom]

is this lore relevant

[raven brook]

i like ya cut g

hjelp

[split mortar]

Yeah its gonna be my lunch tomorrow

[raven brook]

Well silva is a unique case

[long bloom]

man british food really is ass

[raven brook]

We do know that you can reconstruct some consciousness of a dead god through their essence as seen with hive mind/perfs

but that one also seems to be a extreme case cuz

the corruptin and crimson probalby just has

so much god essence on it

[cedar path]

From a lot of other dead gods too, right?

[split mortar]

I forgot where you are from so im calling you british

[cedar path]

Not just dogma and war?

[long bloom]

i'm american

[split mortar]

Close enough

[plucky juniper]

feed Silva a whole lot of Yharon Soul Fragments and maybe she might get better sooner

[split mortar]

Rebirth only helps once you are actually dead

[plucky juniper]

clearly that is how you will get to interact with her more

[raven brook]

like i don't think god essence by itself is conscious but i think if you get enough of it together you can probably reconstruct some semblance of a god's consciousness, with whatever gods that have the most of their essence making up that amalgamation being the ones in most of the "control"

[raven brook]

yeah a shit ton of gods

dogma and awar just seem to be the strongest/most influential ones

which is why they have the most control

[cedar path]

So if I put all the planty mush in a big pile

[split mortar]

Crimson and corruption are many fucking gods but perfs and hivemind are mainly war and dogma with some extra sauce but not much

[cedar path]

I can talk to silva right?

[split mortar]

She would have prob done that already if that were the case

[cedar path]

Yes that was a jape

Oh wait what about Ravager?

Cause its a dead god too right?

[split mortar]

God revived by necromancy so its undead

Or alive idk if undead counts as alive i presume so cause its not dead

[cedar path]

It is mindless though right?

[split mortar]

As sapient as a zombie

[cedar path]

Ye so it isnt like

Exerting any influence other than just killing stuff

[split mortar]

As far as i know no

[long bloom]

the bestiary says it's mindless so yeah canon

[raven brook]

yeah ravager is just a mindless angry behemoth that kills things

[split mortar]

Zombie with the power of the blood god

[pulsar ocean]

does kratos god of war 2005-2022 by santa monica studio beat xeroc

[split mortar]

No cause kratos isnt real

[pulsar ocean]

but like

what if

[simple tangle]

I wonder if any of the others will ever mentioned or if it doesnt matter

[sacred pilot]

Probably the latter. Since it might take a gazillion years to do so.

[final bison]

yk whats funny

we cant really just sya that calamitas was innocent just because she was ordered by yharim

she still massacred the denizens of azafure, destroyed the sea kingdom and turned it into the sunken sea etc

although i might be getting this from the old lore

[mighty zenith]

well tbf azafure was collateral damage

[split mortar]

Yeah she isnt innocent but unlike most other characters who did bad shit she changed and is trying to help others

[pulsar ocean]

we wouldnt have gotten sunken sea overhaul

[mighty zenith]

but illmeris yeah, she still did that

[final bison]

sure yharim was a zealous tyrant who killed anyone in his way

[mighty zenith]

granted yharim should still be at fault mainly for being the one who ordered her to do it but she should be held accountable also

[split mortar]

-# also has the excuse of being a minor who was groomed into doing that stuff unlike everyone else

[final bison]

YHARIM IS A GROOMER CONFIRMED

[mighty zenith]

well yeah

by definition he is

but groomer doesn't only imply sexual relations

[split mortar]

Yeah he groomed calamitas when she was 12-16 into nuking ilmeris

[mighty zenith]

it can be emotional influence too

[final bison]

huh

[mighty zenith]

which is what he did to calamitas

[final bison]

isnt that just manipulation?

no way grooming is like uhh

[mighty zenith]

grooming is specifically influencing children

[spare pier]

Grooming isn't strictly sexual

[split mortar]

Is hagurihat watching i just saw brazil flags

[pulsar ocean]

grooming like the thing people do to their pets

[final bison]

yeah that

[mighty zenith]

manipulation is just, influencing someone else for your benefit

[final bison]

no grooming for pets is just removing the excess fur in their fur

[spare pier]

You guys can read my fucking name

Refer to me 8y that

[final bison]

which is what he did no?

[mighty zenith]

yeah but calamitas was a child

[final bison]

huh

[mighty zenith]

therefore it counts as grooming

[split mortar]

You werent typing in chat at that moment so i didnt know which one it was
Or well you werent popping up

[final bison]

actually was brimstone elemental really that uhh

bad?

[mighty zenith]

uhh

she woke up

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[mighty zenith]

and immediately started killing people

so yeah

i'd say so

[limpid saddle]

she killed millions cause she was bored

[final bison]

then the fucks with the sad ass music

damn it fabsol

[mighty zenith]

old lore

[limpid saddle]

old lore

[final bison]

why did you have to rewrite it

[split mortar]

Its a debate if she is sapient enough to resist it but it is her instinct to spread her elemental domain which is heat and fire

[limpid saddle]

FUCK

[split mortar]

Because the entire lore did

[limpid saddle]

i've been snailed

[spare pier]

8ro it wasn't Fa8 who rewrote it lmao

[dusk laurel]

fab wrote ancient lore

[spare pier]

He would never make something half as good

[final bison]

is your b button broken?

[spare pier]

No

I just talk like this

[pulsar ocean]

shes woke

[mighty zenith]

its a typing quirk

[final bison]

oh fair enough

[limpid saddle]

that's vriska homestuck

[final bison]

damn it even still

[pulsar ocean]

vriska undertale

[final bison]

the old lore was pretty good

[spare pier]

No it wasn't

[limpid saddle]

No

No it wasnt

[final bison]

how

[limpid saddle]

it was so ass

[final bison]

ok

[split mortar]

It had cool ideas but it was like just that

[final bison]

how

[mighty zenith]

it was kind of all over the place

[limpid saddle]

yharim punched a table so hard it killed everyone in the room

[mighty zenith]

set up a lot of things with no payoff

[pulsar ocean]

old lore was good because xeroc could no diff goku

[split mortar]

Random demon angel war not elaborated on anywhere else

[limpid saddle]

it was hype moments and aurs

[final bison]

oh lmfao

[split mortar]

Xeroc and noxus barely existing in the mod

[spare pier]

It was just a 8unch of unrelated concepts that never meshed well together and only existed for hype moments and aura without any concern for an actual narrative

[mighty zenith]

some things were cool like anahita

[pulsar ocean]

only good thing from old lore they shouldve kept that

[mighty zenith]

but the problem was that most of it wasnt even in-game

[split mortar]

Also that yeah

[mighty zenith]

granted current lore has a similar issue

but there isnt as many started plots that arent elaborated on ever

[final bison]

ok even still they couldve added some elements from the old lore and polished it

[spare pier]

Anyways I still have a narrative written to make Left Alone make sense narratively

[mighty zenith]

they did

[final bison]

wait your the writer?

[mighty zenith]

they just didnt do it for everything

[final bison]

HOLY SHIT YOU ARE THE WRITER

[limpid saddle]

oh i thought brimmy was just gonna get a new track

[spare pier]

Yeah I'm the writer

[final bison]

i didnt even fucking know man lmao

[mighty zenith]

there are a few writers

[spare pier]

We'd get hanged

[split mortar]

Yharim still got thrown in lava by people and yharon saved him

[mighty zenith]

sin of idolatry ❤️

[split mortar]

Idr like any other old lore atm

[mighty zenith]

this really sucks tbh

[limpid saddle]

im assuming its gonna be recontextualized as a theme for the ruins of azafure or something then?

[mighty zenith]

people freak out over small changes

they would genuinely lose it if a dokuro track was removed

[spare pier]

You know that one tweet

[final bison]

you could make it so uhh

what tweet

[mighty zenith]

the V in Vriska stands for vague

[woeful karma]

god i wish

[limpid saddle]

I just thought of all things Left Alone seemed like fair game to take out back

[woeful karma]

download sundowner calamity music mod now!!!

[tepid marten]

Seems legit

[final bison]

thats not even a tweet thats a reddit post

[spare pier]

This 8ut replace "riding cows" with "changing a music"

[sacred pilot]

It's funny because during my playthrough so far I had to rely on QoL recipes for loot like only twice.

[young socket]

yes the writer because no one else can right

[mighty zenith]

sin of idolatry ❤️

[spare pier]

Yes I wrote everything

No one else ever contri8uted to anything

[woeful karma]

if there's anything the community feels more strongly about than hating nerfs, it's dokuro worship

[spare pier]

I'm the 8est worship me

[woeful karma]

people would actually get death threats

[tepid marten]

[final bison]

bro you rewrote brimstone elemental , were gonna fucking hang you

[sacred pilot]

The QoL removal aren't really much but people who haven't played the update think they're the end of the world.

[young socket]

typical vriska behaviour

[limpid saddle]

all the other writers failed in the evolutionary race

[spare pier]

Nope

I'd kill you

Instantly

[final bison]

bro you made old duke lame

[mighty zenith]

i'll believe it

[spare pier]

With awesome fucking god powers

[final bison]

were gonna fucking hang you

[sacred pilot]

Vriska has the uhhhh.

[tepid marten]

By punching a table

[split mortar]

Get yharim

[mighty zenith]

he was always lame tfym

[sacred pilot]

Old DoG Butcher reflection.

[mighty zenith]

old duke had NOTHING in old lore

[simple tangle]

i like dokuro but mfs invoke his name like its a fucking spell

[mighty zenith]

absolutely nothing

[sacred pilot]

Remember that?

[mighty zenith]

zero worth

[spare pier]

Redundant statement

[final bison]

fuck you i like him

[limpid saddle]

well i mean thats true

[mighty zenith]

too bad

[final bison]

bro you made calamity mod

[split mortar]

What even was old duke in old lore

[limpid saddle]

he beats kids

[mighty zenith]

uhh he was an old duke

[final bison]

were gonna fucking ha give you presents

[mighty zenith]

that's it.

[spare pier]

I made Old Duke AWESOME (NOT Triangle)

[sacred pilot]

Dokuro made like a good soundtrack and people treat him like he's god.

[limpid saddle]

well he enslaves and melts kids

[sacred pilot]

It's like.

[mighty zenith]

i think people genuinely developed like a messiah complex with dokuro because of the way he was treated

[final bison]

were gonna give you so much presents not even calamitas can handle it

[sacred pilot]

The soundtrack is good but to me the only thing it proved is that game mods can indeed have good soundtracks.

Also the fucking uhhh.

[mighty zenith]

it sounds stupid but its really how it feels like

they legit treat him like jesus 😭

[sacred pilot]

Oversaturation of Calamity Bells™ in the soundtracks that came after it.

[simple tangle]

no i mean people talk about him in such a martyrized way its kinda weird

[final bison]

i feel bad for dokuro honestly

[limpid saddle]

I think his lack of interaction or communication after he cut ties from Calamity accidentally had a martyr affect

he died for our fabsols

[sacred pilot]

It's like Marty in the Halo fandom.

At least like.

Dokuro is a good dude. Marty is a Republican.

[tepid marten]

[final bison]

imagine if he actually comes back and says "hello yes fabsol trapped me in a hyperbolic time chamber for 10000 years"

[simple tangle]

its very parasocial fs

[final bison]

"now im free because fabsol is defeated, thank you terraria community"

[limpid saddle]

well hes been making music he didnt just die

[simple tangle]

yeah

like hes still aaround

[limpid saddle]

hes still out there

[spare pier]

Reddit will worship Dokuro and then treat developers exactly how Dokuro was treated

[split mortar]

Yeah dokuro never stopped making music

[simple tangle]

he JUST dropped an album

[mighty zenith]

he released like an amazing album pretty recently

[spare pier]

ANYWAYS

[sacred pilot]

Parasocial is the best way I can describe the Calamity community sometimes.

[final bison]

he did?

eh not gonna listen to it

[simple tangle]

an album that mogs cal ost but i digress

[limpid saddle]

& all the 'dokuroheads' that just listen to the calamity ost and nothing else basically know nothing

[pulsar ocean]

can you re-canonize yharim table slam

[final bison]

its probably gonna be extremely different

[mighty zenith]

they know who they are dropped like 9 months ago

its so fucking good please check it out

[simple tangle]

thats recent!

[sacred pilot]

I should listen to it some day.

Man if only Ultrasonic works...

[final bison]

isnt that like a message to the terraria community

[spare pier]

I am here to talk a8out Calamity Swap and the peakest fucking shit ever

[simple tangle]

no

[limpid saddle]

yeah i listened to like 4 tracks off of it while it was coming out, very experimental

[spare pier]

Otonilou/Providence swap

[mighty zenith]

no

[final bison]

why the fuck am i saying terraria community like its a hivemind

ok cool

[split mortar]

Why would it be

[simple tangle]

calamity swap?

[limpid saddle]

????????

[mighty zenith]

dokuro is actively distancing himself from it

he's done

[limpid saddle]

like in what way

[mighty zenith]

like underswap

[final bison]

what a shame

[spare pier]

Do you know Underswap?

[young socket]

does calamity swap mean the terrarian is good

[limpid saddle]

are their core values still the same but their domains & roles are swapped or what

[spare pier]

That 8ut Calamity

[split mortar]

Best and worst god

[mighty zenith]

the terrarian is me*

[limpid saddle]

ratatouille gif of the food critic

[simple tangle]

i was there yes
i just assumed it was a boss swap deal

[spare pier]

I was writing this shit and 8efore settling on stuff

[final bison]

what in the fuck is blessing my ears

holy shit

[simple tangle]

calamifell.......

[mighty zenith]

thats what people reduced it to but the original is cool

[thick slate]

underslop

[spare pier]

I actually thought of swapping Yharim with the Terrarian lmao

[final bison]

oh shit thatd be peak

[mighty zenith]

og underswap had like actual thought put into it

before the fandom flanderized everybody

btw you should go play ts!underswap

[simple tangle]

was it? wasnt it just neat art someone made

[spare pier]

8ut then I just went with the o8vious Yharim/Xeroc and Yharon/Zeratros

[young socket]

thats prob everyones first thought but also

[mighty zenith]

it was art + concepts

[young socket]

how would that work

[mighty zenith]

for the characters

[final bison]

probably the same deal

[spare pier]

I had a really cool idea 8ut it was kinda lame

[woeful karma]

oh god i remember this

[simple tangle]

everyone go read Inverted Fate NOW!!!

[woeful karma]

we talked about this extensively back when new lore was

new

[spare pier]

Anyways yeah I have a list

[split mortar]

How homophobic is fovos

[woeful karma]

i think one of the ones i thought of was perma/draedon?

[mighty zenith]

YES

perma draedon swap

i remember that

its so peak

[spare pier]

Yharim/Xeroc
Yharon/Zeratros
Providence/Otonilou
Amidias/Calamitas
Permafrost/Draedon
Tyrian/Shakidou
Dogma/War
Noxus/Signus
Devourer of Gods/Moon Lord
Silva/Agnus
Weaver/Polterghast
Braelor/Statis
Old Duke/Primordial Wyrm
Dragonfolly/Desert Scourge
Anahita/Brimmy
Slime God/Empress of Light
Plaguebringer Goliath/Astrum Deus

[simple tangle]

its peak?

[sacred pilot]

Peak.

[final bison]

who the fuck is braelor

[thick slate]

fire

[split mortar]

Gay

Statis boyfriend

[mighty zenith]

old duke and jared sounds funny

[final bison]

why is amidias replacing calamitas

[mighty zenith]

old fart basement dweller

[thick slate]

silva agnus swap

love that

[final bison]

thats like replacing the zoologist with the witch doctor

[sacred pilot]

The Amidias/Calamitas swap is interesting.

[mighty zenith]

it does actually make sense

[woeful karma]

so like

[sacred pilot]

The Yharim/Xeroc swap is also really cool.

[woeful karma]

reasonable?

[sacred pilot]

All of it is cool.

[pulsar ocean]

calafell

[final bison]

although slime god replacing empress of light sounds interesting

[simple tangle]

what kind of swap au is it?

[limpid saddle]

fish of doom and despair

[split mortar]

Underswap

[woeful karma]

"thats like swapping one of the characters who is an animal with the other character who is an animal"

[mighty zenith]

they're both one of very few if not the only survivors of their civilizations collapsing

[sacred pilot]

I'm really excited for the explanation and such.

Swap AUs are always fun.

[final bison]

ok imagine summoning calamitas but you get a whole ass fish dude instead

[simple tangle]

is it like, theyre now in the position the other was or

[final bison]

it sounds cool in concept

[pulsar ocean]

who's sans in calamity dusttale

[sacred pilot]

I'm reminded of the gas station sushi meme.

[thick slate]

but what if the fish has aura

[spare pier]

More like role reversal

[split mortar]

Fish guy with unrivalled fish power

[final bison]

us

[sacred pilot]

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

FISH.

[mighty zenith]

so its more like ts!underswap right

[spare pier]

While still keeping their identity, character traits and flaws

[final bison]

if you give him a hood and a cool ass outfit

sure

[mighty zenith]

personalities stay the same but their roles in the story change

[simple tangle]

i mean its calamitas

like

it s gotta be her

[pulsar ocean]

worm superboss

[simple tangle]

shes gotta stop the terrarian

[split mortar]

Probably yharim and he would for some reason kill and ascend with yharon due to remembering our genocides™

[simple tangle]

DUST YHARIM KILLS YHARON HAHAHA

[sacred pilot]

Oh and about Yharim and Xeroc.

[simple tangle]

My memories!!!!

[final bison]

she meets the terrarian while theyre still in pre boss and finger flicks them out of existence

[spare pier]

Ahem

[sacred pilot]

I'm thinking of the implications of it.

[pulsar ocean]

i remember you're aurics

[spare pier]

Anyways yeah I really like Providence/Otonilou swap

[final bison]

dog: im not devouring that shit

[sacred pilot]

Providence/Otonilou swap? Okay that's my favorite.

[final bison]

who the hell is otonilou though

[sacred pilot]

It's like.

[simple tangle]

do the roles being reversed also translate to who is dead n who isnt

[sacred pilot]

They're basically complete opposites.

[final bison]

wait whos gonna be silva then

[split mortar]

Electric goddess

[young socket]

says the person who wrote both provi and otonilou

[split mortar]

Age vetrasyl

[mighty zenith]

agnus

[spare pier]

Depends

[mighty zenith]

aka the god that got killed and resurrected into ravager

[spare pier]

Like

I personally think that in this AU

[simple tangle]

or is it more like "if providence was in this situation she wouldnt have fucken died"

shed have locked in

[spare pier]

Providence would be alive despite fighting Amidias because

[split mortar]

DoG and moonlord??? Why

[spare pier]

She would've won

[final bison]

who the fuck is tyrian, shakidou, dogma, war, agnus,statis, braelor,

[sacred pilot]

Wait DoG and Moon Lord?

[simple tangle]

who the fuck is calamitas

[final bison]

how the hell would that work

[sacred pilot]

That's also really cool.

[tepid marten]

#lore-discussion message read this

[final bison]

isnt devourer of gods a worm

[spare pier]

Why not?

[simple tangle]

dog with fovos' power?

[spare pier]

Nah still swap it around

[split mortar]

Beyond both being distortion creatures i dont see much connection

[sacred pilot]

Let her cook.

[simple tangle]

oh god hes got the power to back his gloating up SHIT

[spare pier]

Exactly

[split mortar]

Ah

[spare pier]

Imagine DoG if he REALLY WAS all that?

[sacred pilot]

It's DoG without the insecurity.

Oh fuck.

[simple tangle]

its joever

[woeful karma]

oh fuck wait

[split mortar]

WE ARE FUCKED

[mighty zenith]

so would Moon Lord then be like a pitbull on a leash

[woeful karma]

apophis dog....

[split mortar]

😭

[spare pier]

Kind of but that's also the interesting thing

Signus/Noxus

[mighty zenith]

ooh i missed that one

[split mortar]

Signus made ml theory

[sacred pilot]

Signus/Noxus...

[simple tangle]

signus/noxus ship

[woeful karma]

the serpent eating the sun...

[split mortar]

That made sense since arent both sorta similarish accoridng to old dev statements

[spare pier]

Honestly though I particularly like Noxus in this scenario because unlike Signus the guy is very different

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[spare pier]

And I like the idea of

Noxus being a fucking rabid dog the Onyx Kinsmen keep with them and just throw it at shit

[woeful karma]

TRUE??

[split mortar]

[spare pier]

"YHARIM IS APPROACHING. QUICK, DEPLOY THE DOG"

[woeful karma]

whatever go my scarab

[sacred pilot]

They just tell Noxus "Go. Commit a crime."

[mighty zenith]

KURAMA NOXUS??

[simple tangle]

would signus be more of a present "Big Bad" than Noxus is considering hes one of the more active distortion cretures already
its on quotes cuz idk if Noxus rly is a "Big Bad"

[spare pier]

That's also kinda peak I didn't think of that

FUCK BRAELOR WITH NOXUS INSIDE OF HIM

THAT'S PEAK

[simple tangle]

🔥

[mighty zenith]

hire me

[simple tangle]

SHIT ITS PEAK

[sacred pilot]

That'd also give him a cool inversion of his design.

Like.

[split mortar]

I should go bed soon

[sacred pilot]

Blues, blacks and purples.

A very uhhh.

Metallic-organic design.

[spare pier]

This whole scenario also comes with, obviously, an entirely different crusade

[sacred pilot]

You get me?

[spare pier]

But idk if I should really talk about it?

[simple tangle]

fuck braelor with noxus inside of him?

sorry

[young socket]

what.

[sacred pilot]

Like metal taking the shape of organic stuff.

[spare pier]

Actually meh whatever

[mighty zenith]

punctuation is important

[split mortar]

Yeah it is

[sacred pilot]

Damn.

Statis would be jealous.

[pulsar ocean]

noxus is actually the good guy he probably wants to overthrow xeroc's tyranny

[split mortar]

Ok can we stop it with the joke now

[sacred pilot]

I'll stop I'll stop.

[spare pier]

Basically my idea is that Xeroc, instead of trying to kill all gods in retaliation for destroying the draconic era, is actually in some way similar to old lore Yharim

[robust osprey]

eat the sun.

[simple tangle]

xeroc desk slam....

[sacred pilot]

I was gonna say that.

[split mortar]

Xeroc desk slam

[pulsar ocean]

i was gonna say that

[split mortar]

I was gonna say that

[spare pier]

He wants to amass an absurd amount of power to nuke the Distortion, and he just goes around killing whoever doesn't want to side with him

[limpid saddle]

i cant believe he would cheat on his boyfriend like that

[spare pier]

To then take their power and use for himself

[robust osprey]

ggg we stopped this joke a while ago

[simple tangle]

is he still The God or is Yharim now God King or whatever

[pulsar ocean]

dog superboss

[limpid saddle]

you do not dictate my will

[robust osprey]

I do.

[spare pier]

Yharim takes Xeroc's place as the strongest fucker around yeah

[split mortar]

God of rebirth yharim?

[pulsar ocean]

god king lord yharim god of rebirth

[spare pier]

Yeah

[simple tangle]

peak

[sacred pilot]

How would his behavior be like?

[mighty zenith]

would he still call himself yharim then

[split mortar]

Would dog be sealed in the earth instead of the moon

[simple tangle]

dogma (or war?) actually succeeds

[pulsar ocean]

is rebirth buffed or hes still taking 10 years

[limpid saddle]

I refuse

[woeful karma]

ive been thinking abt silva in the abyss
like
silva is kind and nice and loving but life isnt just about abundance
its also about predation and decay and fighting for one more day
i think itd be cool if silva was like a superpredator and decomposer in the abyss
she can't get the energy to regrow from photosynthesis so deep down, so her plants lure animals in to spear them with thorns and outcompete all the bottom feeders

[spare pier]

My idea was actually to have Agnus be the Elemental of Nature in this scenario

[mighty zenith]

no.

sealed in the ocean

[sacred pilot]

I'm guessing in this case Dogma!War is more like.

A general.

Athena instead of Ares.

[woeful karma]

im not talking abt calswap just in general

[spare pier]

Oh ok

[woeful karma]

thatd be cool though.. he could be a more animal nature god

[mighty zenith]

like how jormungandr was supposed to emerge from the ocean

[simple tangle]

obviously since its swap instead of the moon they put dog inside the sun

[mighty zenith]

also a neat callback to cthulhu

[spare pier]

Byeah like

[pulsar ocean]

why would noxus and signus swap if signus doesnt even work for the guy in the normal verse

[spare pier]

That's the point

[woeful karma]

swaps dont have to be between related characters

[robust osprey]

you will go to the guillotine.

[pulsar ocean]

balright

[simple tangle]

horrorcal au...

[spare pier]

I also thought about how in this scenario the general power level of the world would be much higher too

[simple tangle]

i LOVE aus i was around during UT aus peak and it was fun

[limpid saddle]

https://youtu.be/tPwzoZ-e664

[split mortar]

What would pillars be

[mighty zenith]

horrorcal would just be like. idk

the world if yharim actually succeeded

[pulsar ocean]

error xeroc

[split mortar]

Ink yharon

[robust osprey]

thats my theme

real and true

[simple tangle]

ink xeroc actually kinda feels fitting

[woeful karma]

calamityverse....

[spare pier]

I definitely think the most interesting part to tackle with this is that this is basically a world where people actively fought back against Yharim, and how the world would be if that was the case

[pulsar ocean]

who's gaster in calamity

[split mortar]

Noxus

[mighty zenith]

john wulfrum

[robust osprey]

john wulfrum

[woeful karma]

glitchlamity
drunk princess kills everyone for no reason

[spare pier]

Like, how would things be like if the world could actually fight back against late Crusade Yharmy?

[pulsar ocean]

sloooop

[mighty zenith]

WAIT NO

[simple tangle]

i was thinking abt my dumb boss swap for calamity and it came with a similar conclusion haaha

[mighty zenith]

GASTER IS DAEDALUS

[woeful karma]

100% hype moments and aura 0% plot

[mighty zenith]

SHATTERED ACROSS TIME AND SPACE

[pulsar ocean]

Xnoxus

[mighty zenith]

REMOVED FROM REALITY

[spare pier]

Wait

[mighty zenith]

its peak

[spare pier]

Fire?

[spare pier]

And like

[pulsar ocean]

dustdust yharim

[spare pier]

I can tell you

Not much better

[limpid saddle]

dust-trust yharon

[spare pier]

But I also really like the idea of

The Terrarian showing up halfway through the war

And being who breaks the stalemate

[pulsar ocean]

why would I, ME, MYSELF, show up halfway through the war

[simple tangle]

if someone had killed yharim would the crusade even have ended

[sacred pilot]

That would be awesome.

[robust osprey]

nothing remember its existence...other than items whose creator is unknown..

[split mortar]

It would have lost its best asset so yeah probably
Doubt it would immediately tho

[spare pier]

Nah

[sinful adder]

If it's anything like real life. Not immediately

[spare pier]

Yeah not immediately

But it would eventually collapse without a clear leader

[sinful adder]

It would gradually slow down and weaken

[simple tangle]

disbelief yharon

[pulsar ocean]

i wonder what god would pop up if yharon got imperfectly eaten

[limpid saddle]

rolling on my bit

[split mortar]

Permafrost or cal would prob fit that better since they dont fight you to death

[mighty zenith]

i feel like disbelief would fit more for like

perma yeah

[robust osprey]

you know how team rocket kinda went on without giovanni but they kinda collapsed iirc

[sacred pilot]

I'm curious about the Permafrost/Draedon swap.

[robust osprey]

well

[split mortar]

Dust calamitas

[simple tangle]

no i agree i just think its incredibly funny to position yharim yharon as sans papyrus

[spare pier]

It's Complex

[woeful karma]

the terrarian sacrifices themself to bring jacob bryson back from the void

[pulsar ocean]

permafrost snowgrave route

[spare pier]

Don't really know how to explain honestly

[split mortar]

Old as shit guys who know a lot of shit

[mighty zenith]

watch what happens when i cast a spell I know!

[limpid saddle]

Permafrost: "Say it didn't snow"
It didn't snow ❤️ It snew

[long bloom]

the what

[simple tangle]

whos berdly in this scenario

[spare pier]

In this timeline I also had this insane idea of like

[sacred pilot]

We're talking about AUs.

[limpid saddle]

uhhhhhh

[mighty zenith]

we're discussing a potential calamity swap au

[limpid saddle]

amidias

[pulsar ocean]

draedon

[split mortar]

Amethyst gemcrawler

[pulsar ocean]

is snew even a word

[robust osprey]

DoG

[limpid saddle]

probably not

[long bloom]

do we even know who joined first in canon

[pulsar ocean]

calamitas firegrave route

[robust osprey]

yharim duh

[long bloom]

[woeful karma]

YES!!!! ✅ ✅ ✅ you should use this word in everyday conversation

[simple tangle]

is storm weaver a jevil

[split mortar]

^

[limpid saddle]

supreme archmage permafrost fight with interstellar retribution in the background but hes orange

[split mortar]

@long bloom

[robust osprey]

yes

hes the only free.

[young socket]

kills you

[woeful karma]

storm weaver is a spamton

[spare pier]

In this world, Ilmeris would have allied with Xeroc and worked together with them, but Tyrian basically just left all of it in the hands of Amidias as he was too apathetic to really care about anything

Amidias would eventually grow tired of Tyrian's inaction and kill him, take his power for himself and also absorb Anahita's power because why not

Which would make him comically strong

[limpid saddle]

amidias just eats anahita cause hes bored?

[long bloom]

omega amidias real?

[split mortar]

Absorbing a gods soul i wish amidias good luck with the mental health

[limpid saddle]

wait what does water magic even look like

[simple tangle]

but that would mean........storm weaver isnt truly free....

[spare pier]

Yeah it's stronger so

[robust osprey]

THE AMIDIASPOSTING MADE HIM TOO STRONG

[spare pier]

This is something I had thought

But

In this world

[limpid saddle]

someone post the amidias leviathan

[simple tangle]

the seven gem crawlers

[split mortar]

Its kill or be killed

[spare pier]

I think Xeroc would have developed a way of consuming a soul without any drawback

[woeful karma]

its not that he isnt free its that hes a pathetic wet cat

to me

[limpid saddle]

is astrum deus mad mew mew

[spare pier]

At the same time though

[split mortar]

Deus and pbg swap

[spare pier]

I feel like Amidias just having a comical amount of mental problems from doing this would be cool

[pulsar ocean]

dusttale amidias
hes gonna avenge illmeris

[spare pier]

In all honesty

That one was moreso because of Deus

[woeful karma]

BE NOT AFRAID

[limpid saddle]

he ate otonilou & wears her jellyfish head as a hat

[spare pier]

Since Permafrost and Draedon are swapped

What would be Permafrost's equivalent to PBG?

Well

[limpid saddle]

cryogen goliath

[spare pier]

What if he plucked Deus from the skies, brainwashed it and turned it into an asset?

[woeful karma]

id imagine perma would be a much more general magic user in this au

[spare pier]

Yeah

He already is tbh but in this one

[sacred pilot]

Would that have the same effect as when Yharim saw Draedon's Plague?

Like.

Would Xeroc be angry?

[spare pier]

Yeah he's horrifying

[spare pier]

Nah

As I said Xeroc in this AU is all about mindlessly amassing as much power as possible

Part of why I think it's interesting

Xeroc is not stopping until he's killed

And neither is his army

[sinful adder]

This is a weird AU

All the character personalities have to be very different for it to work

[final bison]

dude holy shit

[sacred pilot]

So in this AU the Army™ would be more of an active force in a hypothetical playthrough.

[final bison]

this lore doc fucking peaks

[plucky juniper]

WAT THE FUCK

[split mortar]

Thanks for the compliment

[final bison]

i didnt know yharim was the one that dumped the plague into the jungle?

[plucky juniper]

OMEGA AMIDIAS... REAL???

[split mortar]

Yeah he broke it out in anger at its existence

[spare pier]

As I said, I think it's interesting to tackle a scenario where the crusade just didn't die down and the Terrarian shows up halfway through to break the stalemate

[final bison]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE DUMBASS

[spare pier]

Yeah that's kinda the point

To me, this is more about characters in different positions while still keeping their core traits intact

[final bison]

so yharim is trying to make us his successor huh?

well shit cuz my rogue terrarian calls herself "The Consequence"

[split mortar]

Yuh

[split mortar]

Doesnt mean he is successful

[final bison]

shes just the consequence of yharims crusade

[limpid saddle]

why not 'the action'

[plucky juniper]

that is fucking fire

[spare pier]

And again I FUCKING LOVE PROVIDENCE/OTONILOU SWAP GRAAAAAH

[final bison]

shes killing the aftermath of the gods death like hivemind, ravager, and the gods actions too

[split mortar]

Idk what to name my terrarian or if i even should given the vague bit of origin i got for them

[limpid saddle]

you say it like its a ship instead of a swap

although...

hmm....

[final bison]

and shes coming for yharims ass

think of her like the batter from OFF

[spare pier]

Like I had thought that Providence in this world managed to unite several cities of the Underworld

[limpid saddle]

she beats her wife?

[final bison]

what?

[spare pier]

And has the single biggest kingdom in the world

And she's just

Goated as fuck

[split mortar]

What would she think of xeroc

[mighty zenith]

doomed yuri

[final bison]

FUCK

[limpid saddle]

embed failure!!

[sacred pilot]

I'm assuming she is.

[split mortar]

Well
Goodluck to her xeroc has the unmatched power of the sun

[sacred pilot]

Considerably more mentally stable.

[final bison]

all deaths to the terrarian are non canon or else any boss whos sentient enough will get extremely tired of the terrarian

at least to me

[split mortar]

Yes

Xerocs still so strong that we wont kill em

In game

If added

[sacred pilot]

My Terrarian is.

I can summarize him in one quote from Halo.

"I am a monument to all your sins."

[woeful karma]

honestly.

i could kind of see it
in the toxicest of toxic yuri ways

[signal flume]

can anyone tell me rq where i can like read the lore or sum

[split mortar]

Pins

[final bison]

yuhhh

thats kinda like mine

[woeful karma]

if you want to just read all the lore in a complete, presented format go for the introductory master doc
if you want to read all the text that's directly in game go for the reference doc

(both in pins

[spare pier]

Somehow Providence found a more toxic yuri than she's already in

[signal flume]

Thanks

[sacred pilot]

He represents the consequences the Gods and more importantly, Yharim have had on the world. On the regular people.

[limpid saddle]

we can always dig deeper

find yuri more pure, unfettered and dangerous

[split mortar]

My terrarian is a person changed or created by noxus using the corpses of other people sent to explore the distortion decades ago

[limpid saddle]

my terrarian is some dickhead wannabe necromancer who is trying to become a lich & or any form of immortal

he uses summons because he doesnt actually know how to do necromancy

[split mortar]

Also pro yharim and suffers a lot trying to get to yharims strength as fast as possible

[wanton pendant]

It seems that the AU development is a bit more sane when I'm not leading it...

[final bison]

id imagine the whispers of all of the bosses does something to the terrarian

[limpid saddle]

well its just yharim talking to you

[split mortar]

Those whispers is yharim talking to you

[sacred pilot]

I like to imagine.

[split mortar]

And might get replaced with the yhrock

[limpid saddle]

its a bit weird sure but i cant imagine it would have any profound psychological impact unless you're like illiterate or 12

[sacred pilot]

Right before he impales Yharim with the Ark of the Cosmos.

[wanton pendant]

The bosses aren't just doing a MGR:R dying phone call to you.

[final bison]

at first my terrarian was like "woah...whats this world? its so beautiful!" and then at the end of it shes just like

[wanton pendant]

So most of the fanbase.

[sacred pilot]

Yharim has a vision of like all the people he directly and indirectly killed.

All the innocents he slaughtered in his crusade.

And suddenly.

Ark in the chest.

[final bison]

hoyl shit why hasnt he killed himself

[wanton pendant]

'Worth it.'
-Yharim.

[sacred pilot]

It's like that one panel from a Star Wars comic where Moff Tarkin has a vision of all the people who died on Alderaan haunting him right before the Death Star blew up.

[split mortar]

I really should make a document with my terrarian stuff in one place

[sacred pilot]

I should too.

[limpid saddle]

yup

he would say that

[split mortar]

Yharim does not regret his genocides

[sacred pilot]

He remembers his genocides fondly.

Also my Terrarian's designnnn.

I had the idea of like.

His Auric armor having white plating with red stripes.

And the lights 'n such are gold instead of blue.

I like white/gold/red as a color scheme.

[limpid saddle]

he would have an archer season 13 finale style flashback instead of anything sad

[limpid saddle]

you know we like

have yharim concept art right

[limpid saddle]

his colour scheme is kind of set in stone

[split mortar]

Its the terrarians not yhaims i think

[sacred pilot]

Yes well aware.

I meant my Terrarian's design.

[final bison]

hey wait a fucking sec

[sacred pilot]

Not Yharim.

[final bison]

we havent even have a lick of the astral infections lore

[sacred pilot]

Side note I really love the colors in Yharim's design.

Like.

[final bison]

hes sure as hell destined to be the successor then

[split mortar]

Its a star that rotted

[woeful karma]

besides the astral infection lore item and the astrum aureus lore item and the astrum deus lore item and all the astral enemy bestiary entries of course

[final bison]

thats..it?

[sacred pilot]

Primary colors are often associated with heroism.

[final bison]

its litterally just "astral thingy that astral infects stuff and astral shits all over the place"

where did it appear? from space sure but what was its origin?

[sacred pilot]

Yet Yharim's design features a lot of triangles and squares, giving him a very imposing and malicious shape.

[woeful karma]

and the astral draetalk

[mighty zenith]

the yellow is definitely staying

[final bison]

how did it come to be and what is its significance

[mighty zenith]

but i think purple fits him better than blue

it also just... looks better imo

[sacred pilot]

It's like he is trying to make himself look good.

[mighty zenith]

on his cape

[sacred pilot]

Honestly yeah me too.

Purple is such an evil ass color.

Like.

[split mortar]

It comes to be by stars not being eaten by a deus and eventually dying and bloating into the astral infection

[sacred pilot]

Even eviler than red and black.

[final bison]

holy shit brimstone elemental is short as hell

[final bison]

deus?

[sacred pilot]

Roxy has been typing up for a while oh god.

[final bison]

hold on lemme read this shit

[split mortar]

The boss yeah

[simple tangle]

im just rly bad at wording lawl so i been rewriting it over n over

[sacred pilot]

Oh.

It's okay dw.

[sacred pilot]

He's not lmfao.

He's like.

An opposite to Yharim.

[simple tangle]

my terrarian is a draedon-made android (with sentience and feelings and identity and all) with a similar primary directive to draedon himself..albeit a more murderous approach because he wanted to artificially introduce a Yharim level threat (much like the regular terrarian player character) and observe the results of it
it wouldnt..make it to yharim

[woeful karma]

"we havent even gotten a lick of the astral infections lore"
> look inside
> i literally cant post all of the relevant astral infection lore its too long

[pulsar ocean]

how do his fingers fit in the claw shape

[sacred pilot]

I'm imagining a Yakuza style dynamic intro.

[split mortar]

Guy has long nails

[sacred pilot]

Terrarian and Yharim punch eachother, making the most badass unintentional fistbump.

[sacred pilot]

What if.

All of our Terrarian OCs met eachother.

[simple tangle]

yharim paints his fingernails canon

[split mortar]

Mine would try to kill the anti yharim guys 😭

[pulsar ocean]

yharim type of guy to paint his nails black

[simple tangle]

oh my

[sacred pilot]

Mine would do the opposite lmfao.

[split mortar]

And if that didnt happen i imagine the others would prob uh
Be horrified at what they are depending on how late into the run mine is

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is relatable because he has big hands, clearly.

Obviously his defining character trait.

[sacred pilot]

Hm.

What bosses would be killed by which Terrarian.

[wanton pendant]

John Terraria shall devastate the lands.

[thick slate]

who doesn't

[mighty zenith]

mine would just try to study every aspect of the robot terrarians

[woeful karma]

one of mine is similar
another attempt of draedon's to create a calamitas rival and a side project while he was working on exos, called pandora
her power source is way too powerful and actively melts her

[agile matrix]

CRACK

AND WEED

[mighty zenith]

to try and reach draedon

[woeful karma]

she ends up "inventing" miracle matter by literally turning into it

[pulsar ocean]

me

[split mortar]

Is it natasha you on about

[mighty zenith]

yes

[thick slate]

yea same im getting red

[mighty zenith]

ive decided shes just my terrarian now

[sacred pilot]

I would've listed it out bit would take too long.

[split mortar]

Cant do this with ebonia 💔

[mighty zenith]

not with that attitude

[sacred pilot]

Mine (Ignacy, yes I named him) would probably kill most of Yharim's fuck ups/anything related to Yharim like Yharon.

[thick slate]

mine (taylor) hi

[sacred pilot]

I'd imagine Roxy's Terrarian would be mainly the faster paced bosses and mechanical ones like EoL and PBG.

[simple tangle]

holy shit its taylor

famous calcord user

[mighty zenith]

polish name jumpscare

[thick slate]

id kill like eye o cthul and deerclops and lunaric cultist

[sacred pilot]

Yes he's Polish.

[woeful karma]

FOUND IT

[mighty zenith]

hell yea

[simple tangle]

i appreciate the deerclops mention

[sacred pilot]

A Pole. Who's also a wolfboy.

[thick slate]

i hate deerclops

i hate don't starve

[final bison]

dude you know what would be a good lore thing?

[thick slate]

thats gay

[sacred pilot]

I kinda forget about Deerclops whenever I play Terraria.

[split mortar]

Off the top of my head i can remember my terrarian getting long term really fucked up by; wof, ml, polter, scal, exos and noxus
Should prob rework that list but eh

[raven brook]

lmao??

[sacred pilot]

He's not but sure.

[final bison]

if a bunch of terrarians showed up one day and decided to go on an equally damnding crusade on yharims aftermath

going as far as invading draedons lab

[raven brook]

ok

im deadass

that image

has just given me motivation to keep reading one piece and stop my hiatus

thanks octo???????????????

[simple tangle]

ive been working (""""working""""") on a terraria au without the terrarian and its just the npcs tryin to deal with the shitshow that is. everything

[thick slate]

one peak

[thick slate]

arms dealer carry

[limpid saddle]

what if the guide became the terrarian

[woeful karma]

my work here is done *covers myself in my cloak and teleports away but i trip halfway through*

[simple tangle]

the guide would 100% die like

[split mortar]

The guide has wof as a stand

[wanton pendant]

Arms Dealer and Nurse begin doing a TF2 impression.

[spare pier]

YEAAAAAAAAH

[final bison]

dude im fucking dying bro im actually dying i might just die holy shit dude

[simple tangle]

the guide is like

the most doomed character

of all time

[wanton pendant]

You're welcome.

I remember making that edit.

[sacred pilot]

The Calamity!Guide needs a hug.

[final bison]

i actually died i lost 7 silver and 97 copper dude fuck you

[split mortar]

Deserved

[sacred pilot]

Dude probably became a figure to the Demons involuntarily.

And he wakes up.

Everyday.

[simple tangle]

so what do cal demons even do

are they just like regular ppl

[sacred pilot]

Wondering if it will be his last day on the planet.

[simple tangle]

with cool ass wings

[sacred pilot]

Good question.

[thick slate]

be evil

[wanton pendant]

They're racist I hear.

[split mortar]

They like
A sapient species thats in the stone age or smth iirc

[sacred pilot]

Have you read the Devil's Devastation lineup weapons flavor text.

[split mortar]

No

Im prehardmode

[wanton pendant]

And I think it's mentioned they used to have a king.

[woeful karma]

theyve had several kings

[thick slate]

demon king

[woeful karma]

no one's stepped up to claim the title after the most recent one died

[woeful karma]

secret stone?

[final bison]

holy fucking shit how much pages does this lore doc have

[split mortar]

Ok lowk the idea of making a terrarian doc sounds quite appealing as practice for character documents

[sacred pilot]

Insert generic Isekai or whatever.

[wanton pendant]

It's less than a hundred.

[split mortar]

Like 80+

[sacred pilot]

Many.

[thick slate]

sure

[final bison]

you say that like its not even that much

[split mortar]

should be much longer but i have not sourced it that well

Sorry

[sacred pilot]

I'm probably dumping in random lore for my character's document.

Like.

Unorganized.

[final bison]

hold on how come you two talk like you also wrote this shit

[sacred pilot]

Just random ideas I had.

[wanton pendant]

It's the beginner doc for a reason.