lore-discussion

[spare pier]

One second

[reef wigeon]

They could only do something similar by deleting the space itself

[wanton pendant]

Thermodynamics.

[reef wigeon]

Not specifically, but thanks for reminding me. It does too

[spare pier]

Ok so

There's this character

Whose power is

To control nothingness

[raven brook]

wow gee a god that almost entirely keeps to themselves and despitue having powers they could use to achieve all sort of things they kinda just dont. haha

[spare pier]

The way she uses it is that

Ok a better way of describing it is that she can induce a loss of desire and interest on people

[long bloom]

apathy ray

[spare pier]

I think this is an interesting power to give Shakidou

The ability to make a person's desires feel hollow

[reef wigeon]

Yeaaah, make Shakidou a woman too

[wanton pendant]

'With great power comes great nap time.'
-Xeroc, probably.

[spare pier]

Shakidou is non-binary

[long bloom]

theythem

[reef wigeon]

-(with his PL Traitor Almighty powers)

[split mortar]

-# i feel like this is a god domain in the evil thing

[sacred pilot]

Non-binary people in Calamity are terrifying.

[agile matrix]

hold on is this
a. the person they hit with this loses their will to do anything (apathy)
b. the person they hit loses their public perception altogether (social outcast)

[split mortar]

Im nonbinary

[long bloom]

[sacred pilot]

Putting you in the Calamity world and suddenly you can like.

[wanton pendant]

Hello Nonbinary, I am WaterWraithGaming.

[sacred pilot]

Destroy a city.

[agile matrix]

fly and use splitting projectiles

[sacred pilot]

Nvm we've discovered the one thing stronger than non-binary people.

Dad jokes.

[reef wigeon]

Grammar error, since nonbinary was not capitalized, it could not be their name

[wanton pendant]

Counterpoint:
Nerd.

[split mortar]

You are in the nerd channel so are you

[wanton pendant]

Counterpoint:
Nuh uh.

[split mortar]

You are a lore doc contributor, nerd

[reef wigeon]

Countercounterpoint:
You're a Calamity Mod Lore™ fan so you're also a Nerd

[spare pier]

Former

It's Apathy Beam

[long bloom]

counterpoint:
horrible hog

[wanton pendant]

Shakidou's power is Depression Laser, got it.

[split mortar]

So how much apathy existed in the god era

[reef wigeon]

I will do My High School Homework™ byeeee

[wanton pendant]

That's why the power of friendship is their weakness, obviously.

[split mortar]

So did yharim like just tank the apathy beam

[reef wigeon]

Oh right, that's why almost no one can kill them, because in Calamity Mod that doesn't exist

[spare pier]

Two options

Yes, he just tanked it

Or

Shakidou was put in a bad spot because he had to hit both Yharim and Yharon at the same time

Or else the other would just make the other willing to fight

[long bloom]

deltarune chapter 1 lancer and susie fight

[split mortar]

Shakidou just needed to learn the apathy minigun technique

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's current depression is actually just Depression Laser taking ages to kick in.

[agile matrix]

“gooouuhhh im so depressed”
“but wait! a god to kill!”
“AHA IM CURED LETS KILL THEM”

[split mortar]

Yharim out racisismed the depresion beam

[agile matrix]

little did he know of its long term effects and now he’s depressed again

[late veldt]

maybe like

the effect was sustained and it began to eat at Yharim's core

[agile matrix]

the Ultra Depression Ray

[spare pier]

Nuh come on

It would be so lame if the reason Yharim is like he is today is if he got hit by depression beams 50 years ago

😭

[late veldt]

yeah fair

[agile matrix]

amplified effect moreso

i think its funny that hes mad he cant kill more gods

[late veldt]

also Jesus 50 years

50 years at the height of his power and he couldn't do shit

[agile matrix]

“couldnt do shit”

[sage spoke]

I think maybe somebody or myself already said this but doesn’t calamity mods lore feel souls inspired

[wanton pendant]

What other options is there, it's not like he made more and more depraved choices due to being blinded by rage in an endless crusade, causing him to commit acts even by his own standards were less than honourable.

[spare pier]

Tru......

[sage spoke]

Like Yharim and the Nameless King from ds3 feel very similar both choosing the path of dragons against gods

[agile matrix]

god of pain hits yharim with the period beam

yharim problem solved

[sage spoke]

Both universes have a similar situation with dragon (key word similar)
With the ancient dragon in dark souls almost being extinct by gods while calamity mod having only one true dragon left while the rest where killed by gods before they became gods

[wanton pendant]

Wellllllll.... only one Auric Dragon, there are plenty of normal dragons.

[sage spoke]

Dark souls has a similar thing like that (possibly elden ring as well)

[spare pier]

Elden Ring is vewwy different

[wanton pendant]

Elmer?

[sage spoke]

Along with the primordial serpents from dark souls and the devourer of gods being similar in personality being both serpent tongued and manipulative beings

[sage spoke]

Ok yeah ur right

[agile matrix]

elden ring is like dark souls but more global scale consequences iirc

[sage spoke]

Though the devourer of gods is a-lot more egotistical akin to (regrettably saying this) all of those new sonic.exes n stuff.

[long bloom]

reb do u think permafrost joined before or after yharim killed agnus

[wanton pendant]

Devourer my Gods.

[agile matrix]

i… kill… god…….

[sage spoke]

Also aldrich the devourer of gods being the name inspiration for DoG

[wanton pendant]

I don't see the resemblance.

[sage spoke]

Yeah its mostly in name

Cuz both are named Devourer of gods

[wanton pendant]

It must be subtle, those names are completely different!

[long bloom]

it was a joke i think

[sage spoke]

They both are serpintine but yeah WAY DIFFERENT

[agile matrix]

cant spell aldrichdevourerofgods without devourer of gods!

[sage spoke]

Aldritch is not even a serpent hes a slug dude so yeah it is the name only

[agile matrix]

slugs are like really fat snakes

[fierce pagoda]

gastropods

[spare pier]

DoG isn't really inspired by them tbh

If anything they just both draw from the general thing of snakes lying and shtuff

Wifi exploded aaa

[agile matrix]

wow teah i noticed

[sage spoke]

A more loose connection I could make is the profaned capital from ds3 and the profaned goddess but thats REALLY a stretch atp

[wanton pendant]

DoG is Stan confirmed.

[sage spoke]

Yeah DoG is more of his own thing compared to the two

[fierce pagoda]

DoG has attitude

[sage spoke]

This is a little hard though but I could find maybe a few other series calamity is inspired by I think?

[fierce pagoda]

unrelated but your name is really tuff

[sage spoke]

Can’t really find anything else tho

[fierce pagoda]

Killobyte

[sage spoke]

Thanks twin

[wanton pendant]

Wait until you find out why they call him Yharim.

[long bloom]

there isn't one or even a few main inspirations
there's a hundred micro inspirations for different aspects of the story

[sage spoke]

Oh wait yeah

[fierce pagoda]

like okay, tuff department? I'd like to file a claim

wait omg

67

[sage spoke]

Yharim is like Yharnam the main city from BLOODBORNE a classic that sony hates

[sage spoke]

Yeah more of that

Dreadon does feel like a destiny character somewhat

[agile matrix]

yharim is inspired by Rimworld in the way he fucking killed everyone

[long bloom]

you'd have to ask the writers

[sage spoke]

But I never played it

[wanton pendant]

Draedon is a Twitter user's worst nightmare.

[noble falcon]

Draedon is the guy behind all those community notes

[wanton pendant]

Now I'm imagining an account defending Draedon for his crimes and he notes it stating that he did in fact do all that.

[long bloom]

draedon is the one that keeps making grok woke

[limpid saddle]

direct comics ass plotline

[wanton pendant]

What on Earth is Direct Comics?

[agile matrix]

see draedon is a twitter user nightmare bc he can dox people

[limpid saddle]

dc comics

batman

[wanton pendant]

That's Detective Comics.

[long bloom]

dc comics = detective comics comics

[noble falcon]

And if he gets doxxed, it doesn’t even matter for him, because he can just pop a drone in that location and go somewhere else

[limpid saddle]

shut up

[sage spoke]

Cryogen is like Cirnos grandpa or smth yeah I got nothing

What is cool is that they put slave knight Gaels sword in the mod aka the final boss of the entire dark souls series

[wanton pendant]

It's a prison cell.
Thus, it's inspired by Holes because, uh, prison.
Everything is a Holes reference.

[noble falcon]

Old Man Cryogen
“Back in my day we had mammoths, and Sid the sloth, that was real ice, not like this modern nonsense.”

[sage spoke]

Yeah I think it goes up to yharim and after that the souls inspirations are alot more loose

[limpid saddle]

you dont need to elaborate, we know

[sage spoke]

Aight I’ll go somewhere else for now I just found a-lot of interesting parallels

[wanton pendant]

Wait, we crave lore discussion!

[noble falcon]

Remember when supreme calamitas put the fish dudes in the air fryer? That desert she made? That’s the holes desert

[limpid saddle]

oh i just meant about the slave knight gael thing

becuase you know

most of the people here know of dark souls

[wanton pendant]

Oh my God, you're right!

[limpid saddle]

its fair to ponder the thematic ties between the two series

though i admittedly cant see much beyond 'fallen kingdoms' and 'sad guy that did a genocide'

[long bloom]

dragons exist

[wanton pendant]

It's dark sometimes.

[fierce pagoda]

dragonfly

[limpid saddle]

well yeah but they didnt eat dragons to get dragon powers in dark souls

[fierce pagoda]

looks nothing like dragons but they still named them dragonflies in-verse

[limpid saddle]

remember fishrons are dragons

so theres like

a fuck-load of dragon sub-types

there could be bug dragons

we dont know

[wanton pendant]

Wait till you learn that dragonflies are real.

[fierce pagoda]

what?

[limpid saddle]

auric dragon of arthropods dropping tomorrow

[fierce pagoda]

don't be silly

next you're gonna tell me that waterstriders exist too

[limpid saddle]

that could be cool to design actually

a beetle dragon

[fierce pagoda]

you know the auric soul of life

[limpid saddle]

spider man 2

[fierce pagoda]

that would cover bugs right

[limpid saddle]

no bugs arent alive

[wanton pendant]

Not zombie bugs.

[fierce pagoda]

aw...

[limpid saddle]

they're some other thing

[wanton pendant]

French.

[limpid saddle]

thats why cockroaches exist

[fierce pagoda]

fuckin roach

you little roach

[limpid saddle]

they arent alive and thats why its so hard to kill them

thats canon to real life

[fierce pagoda]

Im learning so much today

[sage spoke]

Imagine a bug god boss in calamity

Lol

[limpid saddle]

bosses arent real

[wanton pendant]

Remember, Metal Gear is real and the government is trying to cover up Big Boss.

[limpid saddle]

we cant have any more of them

melon gun ate them all

[fierce pagoda]

does that mean the murasama also exists somewhere

[limpid saddle]

anyway im gonna get back to farming that fuckass bug for the infected remote

[wanton pendant]

That one's a mistranslation.

[fierce pagoda]

I thought it was a canon mistranslation

[untold forge]

average calamitas moment

[limpid saddle]

11 wins and she hasnt dropped it once

[zenith geode]

unlucky!

[limpid saddle]

im so tired of being decieved by the idea of a '33% drop chance"

everything is 1% all the time forever and thus i will never win

[wanton pendant]

Laughs in Nazar farming for hours.

[zenith geode]

everything is 95% unless you want it then its 2.5%

[limpid saddle]

REAL....

[zenith geode]

terraria has a state of the art ai that scans your brainwaves and subconscious thoughts to determine which drops you want

[untold forge]

literally spent 3 hours trying to find a staff of regrowth yesterday, and i finally got it. logged in today and got 2 of them within 50 tiles of eachother 🙄

[split mortar]

Just getting random strays thrown at me damn alright

[untold forge]

holy typo

[fierce pagoda]

I just don't think about getting items when looking for them, just dont think, then the rng ai can't read your mind and give you everything but what you need

[wanton pendant]

It's because you're from Britain.

[noble falcon]

Going in boss checklist order, how far could spider man make it in calamity progression just with his base superpowers

[fierce pagoda]

clears

[wanton pendant]

Like, further than you think.

[noble falcon]

I mean I’d imagine pretty far

[fierce pagoda]

first

could he beat moonlord

[split mortar]

I think it depends on which spiderman first

[wanton pendant]

Spider-Man can beat Sentinels of Galactus.

[fierce pagoda]

616 mainline

[fierce pagoda]

isnt that a crazy outlier feat

[limpid saddle]

i died that attempt with her at 4%

[noble falcon]

I’m gonna say if he can, it’ll probably be really close

No way in hell he beats exo mechs

[pulsar ocean]

Rich coming from you

[limpid saddle]

6.2%

[wanton pendant]

THE HELL IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN!?

[limpid saddle]

i love having 5000 explosive destructible projectiles jammed into my ribs while she dashes at me 6 times in a row ocnsectuively from middle height

[cloud ibex]

oh you know

[limpid saddle]

can spider man craft

[wanton pendant]

!?!?!??!???!?!?!?!?!!!??!?!?!

[limpid saddle]

i think that should be the real question

[pulsar ocean]

Which spider man tho

[limpid saddle]

lets say peter parker for conviences sake

[wanton pendant]

Can't believe you're all forgetting the hyphen.

Anyway, Spider-Man can obviously craft.

[limpid saddle]

ignoring any miles morales or gwen staceys in the picture

[pulsar ocean]

Yeah there’s multiple versions of Peter Parker played by multiple different actors

[wanton pendant]

Miles can too, and I feel Gwen probably can.

[limpid saddle]

main comics continuity, earth-616, peter parker

NOT movie peter

[pulsar ocean]

Idk movie Peter can craft

I haven’t read the comics

[limpid saddle]

well i mean are all of them there at once

[wanton pendant]

So no Earth-199999.

[limpid saddle]

is this a 3.8 billion player hardcore legendary/malice calamity server

[wanton pendant]

Every Spider-Man at once crushing Yharim under countless bodies.

[pulsar ocean]

How much yharims in power is one spider man

[wanton pendant]

0.8.

[feral skiff]

a hundred, maybe?

no wait

[wanton pendant]

Wait, no wrong way round.

[feral skiff]

yeah 800

one spider-man is 800 yharim’s

[pulsar ocean]

So like 0.2 peters to beat xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Yeah he's too fast.

[feral skiff]

✅

[limpid saddle]

it happened again

sometimes i think the calamity mod is good but then i play it and all im left with is anguish (i suck ass)

[feral skiff]

remember: you can rebind the dash key

that instantly turns you from a D-tier player to a lower B-tier player

[wanton pendant]

Remember: If you didn't beat the boss with a Copper Shortsword, you didn't really beat the boss.

[limpid saddle]

ive tried that and its never worked for me

i am the kind of person who needs to look down at his keyboard to determine where the b or v keys are before i get hit and lose my adrenaline meter before i can use it

[pulsar ocean]

Have you considered that it may be 6.7%

[limpid saddle]

theres no key i can place the dash rebind to that feels natural

i think another thing iis it feels weightless and messes with my timing

i've got double-tap too engrained into my brain

[feral skiff]

if this ever helps, I rebinded it to the F key

[pulsar ocean]

If you don’t kill yharon in the jungle every run are you really playing calamity mod

[reef wigeon]

I'm back

[feral skiff]

Roar of the Jungle Dragon?

Real?????

[limpid saddle]

im so locked out rn

[pulsar ocean]

Lock the fuck in

Enter flow state

[limpid saddle]

im gonna do a sketch for a later calamitas clone piece and let my neck-pain kill me

[pulsar ocean]

Why calamitas clone

[limpid saddle]

because i like calamitas clone

[wanton pendant]

Draw Calamitas and Clone re-enacting the Faker scene from Sonic Adventure 2.

[limpid saddle]

thats my gimmick

[pulsar ocean]

Why

[limpid saddle]

im the calamitas clone guy

[pulsar ocean]

Yeah but what led to that

[cloud ibex]

clone is ggg's scrimblo i thought this was well known

[reef wigeon]

Sooooo my other OC, not a Calamity OC but I based them a little on specific concepts for their lore

[limpid saddle]

i enjoyed the concept of the fight, a taste-test for the later climax of the mod, and through reading into what available knowledge we have of Calamitas Clone and dev statements about her intended narrative role, brought to a mind a deeply intriguing character idea using the archetype of the doppelganger ala metal sonic or dark link or insert third character here

[reef wigeon]

Or Shadow but intentionally

[wanton pendant]

Technically, Shadow is the older one.

By 35 years about.

[pulsar ocean]

Like fern

[limpid saddle]

then i listened to Our Time by Bo En while playing Yakuza 3 and envisioned a divinely peak amv where Calamitas breaks the Clone out of Draedon's lab and the brimstone magic corrodes her mind in sequence with reliving Calamitas most traumatic experiences and the deal was done

[pulsar ocean]

Thank you now I know the backstory

[limpid saddle]

yeah

anyway im gonna go do that dying thing i said earlier

[pulsar ocean]

Have fun

[limpid saddle]

goodnight until i probably post the sketch 20 minutes later

might digitize it for better lighting/shading though

nevermind this is one of those concepts that are literally too good for me

i cannot draw it for i do not possess the finesse and skill

[pulsar ocean]

You are underestimating yourself

[limpid saddle]

no im just estimating myself

it doesnt help that im really bad at drawing cataclysm & catastrophe

[pulsar ocean]

Draw them as eyes

[limpid saddle]

???

[soft flame]

may be meaning the constructs

[reef wigeon]

I can help you with that, but tomorrow. I have to sleep tonight...

[compact ridge]

I wonder, what’s the canonicity of the weapons Calamitas drops, like did she just make some sickass weapons

[robust osprey]

if its not dev, donor or reference item then its canon

[thick slate]

she a blacksmith

[compact ridge]

Yeah I assumed it was canon I just wonder how they came to be

[leaden bridge]

u guys know how the bossrush and terminus symbols r the primordial light rune, is there one of those for any other dragons

[compact ridge]

I think Agnus had a sigil above them I might be misremembering tho

[leaden bridge]

well yeah but its for his god domain wed assume

[west plume]

yes and i believe its a lore integration goal to show it for other gods

[cosmic zenith]

Correct

Dragons are meant to have symbols but currently only Zeratros has a proposed one

Only really a matter of development

I tried to make a Vetrasyl one long ago but it didn't go too well

[lucid wigeon]

so the current symbol we normally see is just xeroc's, right?

[cosmic zenith]

It's the Primordial Light's, so it was inherited by Xeroc from Zeratros

[lucid wigeon]

oh ok

[leaden bridge]

can you make more

its important

[cosmic zenith]

Me omw to make more sigils (I fail med school but deliver a subpar draconic symbol)

Next week I should be free, though

[glacial wolf]

Is the Demonshade armor cannon or not because its a donor item?

simple yes or no question

dont need to know the specifics just yes or no

[long bloom]

it will be in the future

currently no i think

[glacial wolf]

i just needed a yes or no but thats cloe enough thanks

[left rivet]

DoG backwards is god does that implies he is the goat of gods

[raven brook]

hes the polar opposite of a goat

hes a bum

he sucks ass

[zinc karma]

i absolutely cannot fucking wait for the Filthy Mind and Blood Coagulant to play during reworked evil2 bosses

hello lore discussion chat im a cut dweller seeking refuge :3

[long bloom]

welcome

[compact ridge]

The biggest fraud terraria has ever seen

[jaunty aspen]

Did you just say fraud

Potential man?!

[compact ridge]

Defeat the Terrarian and prove all of the names you’ve given yourself ❌

Get obliterated and do nothing other than eat plantera level threats ✅

Give me Liberty give me fire give me 30 lies to bolster my kit or I retire

Number one DoG hater is me

[robust osprey]

its not potential man he is doing a good job at being a fraud

[robust osprey]

ok

you can have a refuge

50 dollars

per week

[young socket]

thats enough to have brainstorm beta 1 week late...

[robust osprey]

it's true

[real glen]

first one is Timeless Shores, second one is Gleaming Burrows
The backgrounds in mod files (syrup said its okay to post)

Both does appear ingame but you cant see em normally because its hidden behind underground background

[reef wigeon]

Check out my Provi face sketch

[raven brook]

Have you ever seen those sunskaters that float way above the clouds? Well, I'll let you in on my little secret: They began their lives as little fish! So what are you waiting for, go reach for the stars and pluck one down for me!

wow guys no way

groundbreaking lore discovery

thank you Angler when talking about the newly added Sunbeam Fish quest

now we know that sunskaters start their lives living in water

[wanton pendant]

Like some kind of flying fish.

[soft flame]

i forget flying fishes are real things in the world

[long bloom]

@lucid valley

[lucid valley]

Thanks

[split mortar]

Wuh

[long bloom]

i turned off reply ping

[split mortar]

Did not account for the chronically online

[spare pier]

Hum

[long bloom]

they were asking if the terrarian had lore

[split mortar]

Hey laura

[raven brook]

Ok so the reason i think Xeroc isn't actually helping much

1. Fear of consequences (Look at what happened last time he took direct action in terraria - He absorbed Zeratros's soul, which in many ways seemed like the objectively best thing to do in the situation, yet the unintentional consequences of that single action caused the death of every single auric dragon)
   What if he confronted Yharim/Providence and things got worse somehow?

2. Paranoia and trauma from the past with Moon lord's invasion; He absolutely cannot let that happen again so he completely tunnel visions towards the distortion while things like Proivdence's mission and Yharim's crusade cause just as much destruction in the overworld as fovos did all those years ago

3. Pressure of responsibility; He inherited Zeratros's power, He needs to live up to Zeratros's legacy, He is the only one strong enough to stop the distortion, nobody else can do this in his eyes, so he needs to completely dedicate himself to it

[long bloom]

makes cents

[cedar path]

I do wonder how do you glean all of that from the very little we have in game

[spark shoal]

4. He stole my car and drove away

[cedar path]

unless there's stuff in like

[split mortar]

I wonder how much we will learn of what zeratros did

[lucid valley]

Wait so I’m confused, is xeroc like “evil” or is more of a neutral force.

[cedar path]

the lore doc and this chat

[raven brook]

There's some stuff ingame

[long bloom]

five. hundred. dev statements

[raven brook]

Look at his boss rush dialogue, and the tooltip of the rock

[split mortar]

Bs has the bestiary rewrite and other lore stuff so a bunch has been added recently

[raven brook]

• If you get context clues from bestiary and lore entries

You can actually realize

[long bloom]

xeroc is definitively not evil

[raven brook]

it's very likely Xeroc absorbing Zeratros's soul was for a very good reason

[spark shoal]

Provi has an auric soul right?

[worldly girder]

Xeroc seems mostly dubious but good intentioned

[cedar path]

rock tooltip does have some character to it I do like it

[long bloom]

she absorbed one, yes

[split mortar]

No
God soul

[spark shoal]

What happens to it after her fight?

Just gone?

[long bloom]

dissolves immediately

[raven brook]

(Zeratros was on his deathbed and due to ml's powers likely going to die for good, they barely managed ot wing against ml, which appeared out of nowhere, with his powers. Imagine if this happened again but without the auric soul of primordial light?)

[worldly girder]

No she just didn’t do the transformation properly

No terminus

[raven brook]

Nah she has a god soul

all gods do

auric soul is just a dragon thing

[split mortar]

What?? She a god she has god soul what are you on about

[long bloom]

perfectly ascending still gives you a god soul

[raven brook]

basically

[worldly girder]

You said she doesn’t have a god soul

“No god soul”

[long bloom]

lack of comma

[worldly girder]

Comma failure…

[raven brook]

normal soul that most Things have

auric soul? soul + world soul shard. all of these belong to dragons as far as we know

god soul? auric soul + soul ( so effecitvely 3 souls in one lol)

[split mortar]

I use the New line as a comma sometimes

[raven brook]

Also yes i generally think

Xeroc is not evil, he is someone who is trying his damn best to be good

[spark shoal]

Isn’t an auric soul needed to become a god? That’s why the dragons were hunted

[split mortar]

Yes

[raven brook]

But he has character flaws that keep him from really

being the best he could be at that

[split mortar]

Does not mean you have one after ascending

[raven brook]

Yet, i think they come form a understandable place

In a way i think X eroc is kind of tragic in a sense

[lucid valley]

Atleast he’s trying 💔

[raven brook]

He has

so much damn pressure on him

[cedar path]

he is also one of two gods whose domain is identical to the Auric soul they got whic is interesting

[raven brook]

and keep in mind, despite being a god, the strongest god at that

gods are all just

people

[split mortar]

Perfect ascension due to terminus

[raven brook]

imagine that much pressure being put on what effectively is

a guy

[cedar path]

that and Silva and his BR dialouge makes me think it was

[cedar path]

ye

[raven brook]

Like Xeroc very much is fumbling a bit

[worldly girder]

Do we know exactly what terminus brings to the table that helps here

[raven brook]

But it's. something you can't entirely fault him for

[raven brook]

We know it's what lets one do perfect ascencions, but we odn't know the exact intricacies of it

[split mortar]

Allows perfect ascension somehow thats all

[long bloom]

lets you inherit the exact domain of the dragon

somehow

[cedar path]

we will never know the exact intrecacies I assume

[mighty zenith]

honestly
i imagine being called a god and worshipped must put a lot of pressure on the gods (who care about their followers)

[raven brook]

It's likely we'll discover more in the future yeah

[spark shoal]

So all the gods we’ve faced basically have imperfect auric souls?

[split mortar]

No god has a auric soul

[mighty zenith]

it implies responsibility and power, which isnt something a lot of people can handle

[raven brook]

It really goes to show how (arguably over) dedicated Xeroc is to his goal and how much pressure he feels in that he

Does not seek worship in any way o form

In fact

he's like

one of the most secretive gods

[spark shoal]

God soul = lame version of an auric soul

[raven brook]

he actively avoids being perceived

[cedar path]

even Draedon doesn't know about him

[lucid valley]

Xeroc is alot more chill than I thought lmao

[cedar path]

which is kinda crazy

[mighty zenith]

i'd love to see like, slime god for instance

[raven brook]

It's very ironic

[long bloom]

it's just person soul + auric soul

they're mixed together

[mighty zenith]

being really stressed out over being a god

[zenith geode]

a godly soul is a weird ass slurry of an auric soul and a normal person soul

[spark shoal]

Ahh ok

Soulurpee

[long bloom]

it's like baking a cake
you can't unbake it
the auric soul is mixed in, you can't separate it

[raven brook]

Xeroc is someone who admittedly, has flaws, ,but ultimately has a good goal and is trying his best despite his trauma and immense pressure nad who is frankly imo a soemwhat tragic figure based on this interpretation and someone who desperately needs a break

[zenith geode]

tiny itty bit of world soul in there too but its just there for vaguely domain related purposes

[raven brook]

And then there's yharim

[mighty zenith]

not only cause of mr. "kill 7 billion gods" but also maybe the limiting of power is to keep itself stable and not go too far

[raven brook]

Who says Xeroc is the most evil dude ever and basically satan

and then calls himself a hero

while he's actively genociding 80% of the population for no good reason but petty revenge and self-righteous arrogance

[cedar path]

did the crusade not start with good intentions?

[lucid valley]

He wasn’t even alive when the dragon genocide happened right

[raven brook]

he wasn't!

[worldly girder]

And a moderate amount of racism

[long bloom]

no

[split mortar]

Started with genocide

[cedar path]

crimson and corruption gods were actually evil right?

[raven brook]

he's doing all of this

for dragons he never met

[raven brook]

yeah

there are evil gods

[split mortar]

Yes but evil can hurt evil so eh

[raven brook]

that isn't false

[mighty zenith]

he started by killing the fucked up asshole gods

[raven brook]

look at providence

[mighty zenith]

but his plan from the start

[raven brook]

The problem is that yharim sees thing black and white

[mighty zenith]

was to kill all of them

[raven brook]

all gods evil

all dragons good

when it's

alot morre complicated

whether you're a god or dragon dosen't determine your morals

[cedar path]

right

[raven brook]

what does is your actions

[cedar path]

so like

[worldly girder]

Something something he’s literally Gorr

[raven brook]

there's evil gods and good gods, and there's also evil dragons and good dragons

[split mortar]

Piss hitler bad

[lucid valley]

Providence reminds me of Junko

[raven brook]

if you want direct ingame evidence of a evil dragon:

[cedar path]

if he had stopped after the crimson and corruption gods, which he never would have, it'd just be a net good?

[raven brook]

look at the tooltips for providence and the guardian's legendary items

and the bestiary entries for them

[mighty zenith]

hell

look at YHARON

[raven brook]

the falme dargon was

[long bloom]

also

yharon

[raven brook]

very much evil as fuck

[raven brook]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Effectively yeah

[zenith geode]

if piss hitler didnt commit worldwide genocide he probably wouldnt be known as piss hitler yeah

[raven brook]

those guys were actually just straight up evil yeah

[worldly girder]

Who up messaging they master rn

[cedar path]

will there be more evil gods?

[long bloom]

not that we meet ingame

[cedar path]

ye but implied

[long bloom]

something something too many bosses

[long bloom]

probably

[cedar path]

I know Silva is implied to be good and so will the SS gods

[raven brook]

The evil gods we generally know of are

[spark shoal]

But I mean regardless if there are good gods, is genociding the dragons to get their souls not a bad thing?

[worldly girder]

I doubt there will be more like, in the future either

[raven brook]

War God (Becomes Perforators), Dogma God (Becomes Hive Mind), Providence (You Kill Her)

[long bloom]

it's very complicated

[split mortar]

Not all dragons bad and what if the dragon consented or wanted ut

[raven brook]

There's nuance to every situation

As i said befor

[worldly girder]

Critical lack of Auric Dragon Souls does that

[raven brook]

ethere were evil dragons

not all dragons were noble protectors

[split mortar]

Saying it was a genocide and nothing else sorta removes the nuance

[long bloom]

also slime god is just kinda a rat bastard

[raven brook]

Not only that,

[split mortar]

Slimegod retier save us

[raven brook]

there's the possibility of dragons who willingly gave up on their souls

[long bloom]

no

[zenith geode]

yeah there were definitely good dragons that were killed by evil people
but there were also evil dragons killed by good people and good dragons that gave their souls to good people

[raven brook]

Or cases where it might even be more morally complicated -

[spark shoal]

Exactly, but I don’t feel like the fact that there are evil dragons warrants the slaughter of the good ones too

[long bloom]

and evil dragons killed by evil people

[raven brook]

I think you're misunderstanding

[spark shoal]

I think Yharim saw that and now sees that he’s basically the thing he fought against

[raven brook]

thge gods are not a collective group

[long bloom]

nobody is saying that

[raven brook]

The gods did not work together and organize a genocide

[cedar path]

so those three and we won't get any more? would be neat to hear about other evils even if we won't see them

[raven brook]

they're a bunch of entirely unrelated people who by coincidence became gods, each with their own circumstances and goals

[split mortar]

It was not a coordinated effort it was many smaller seperate groups most of the time i think

[raven brook]

Unknown if we'll get more or not

it depends

[raven brook]

Yharim does not judge gods as individuals

he judges them as a collective

even though they're not

[raven brook]

Also no he's still very much in support of the whole genocide thing

[worldly girder]

Again, literally Gorr

[long bloom]

he's only sad he didn't do enough genocide

[zenith geode]

was there just one terminusless ascension method or were there a bunch of independently developed ones

[split mortar]

He is trying to convince you to continue his genocides

[long bloom]

continue my genocides

[split mortar]

We dunno

[raven brook]

Look at the lore whispers:

He praises his creation of civilian-incinerating awr machine Skeletron Prime

He actively uses the evil biomes to talk about how gods are despicable and inherently evil

He calls Xeroc a "traitor almighty" even if he dosen't actually know his intentions when he absorbed Zeratros's goal

He incentivizes you to actively hunt down the gods in the queen slime lore whisper

Yharim's entire goal in the story rn

[worldly girder]

Luckily, most of what the player kills kinda deserved it

[raven brook]

is to manipulate you with propaganda

in a attempt to make you into his successor

because he knows his time is running short

(He's Old! 🐢 )

[cedar path]

it is funny that he's mad at DoG for being a manipulator, and then he just

does the same to us

I love hypocrisy

[raven brook]

🔥

The funny thing is that DoG is notably bad at lying

So the "manipulation" was probably more so

[worldly girder]

That manipulative conniving dictator!!!

[raven brook]

dog being a yesman if anything

[split mortar]

Yharim likely saw through all of dogs lies lmao

Of they were lies

[raven brook]

Yharim's manipulation is genuinely really fucking well written

[zenith geode]

know the workplace rules
purple dog (manipulator (bad))
golden yharim (manipulator (good))

[raven brook]

Because he manages to manipulate people, in real life, constantly, itno thinking he's a good guy or at minimum morally gray

[cedar path]

yeah to the point that for a while people in this chat saw him as good

kudos to the writers

[zenith geode]

shoutout to the one reddit post that was so close to getting that yharim is in fact mr evil

[split mortar]

When no he is piss hitler

[split mortar]

Ph that 😭

[mighty zenith]

another one to the counter

[long bloom]

hi automod

[simple tangle]

?

[simple tangle]

?

[raven brook]

everytime someone says xeroc is the true villain and worse than yharim

which, ok

its fair to not udnerstand what xeroc's whole deal is

there is not much ingame content

[cedar path]

that is just ridiculous

[worldly girder]

Noxus could be worse than Yharim for sure but that's the best I can come up with

[long bloom]

automod gets triggered when someone says hitler (which is surprisingly often in this chat)

[raven brook]

however i think saying xeroc is worse than yharim and the true villain is just kinda inasne the moment you think about it in the slightest

[cedar path]

even from the little we have in game that is obviously not the case

[raven brook]

XEROC CRIMES

• Killed 1 guy for morally dubious reasons

YHARIM CRIMES

[worldly girder]

kill 7 billion gods

[raven brook]

wikipedia page for the geneva convention

[cedar path]

[split mortar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions

[mighty zenith]

geneva checklist

[cedar path]

show me Terraria's Geneva Convention

can't do war crimes if they haven't been invented yet

[cedar path]

that's hilarious

[mighty zenith]

honestly quite incredible

[split mortar]

And then argued against many people going “bro you fell for the yhapaganda”

[agile matrix]

the geneva convention, for yharim, is the geneva suggestions

[raven brook]

i made a gigantic response

explaining, while using as little non-ingame sources as possible

[split mortar]

Did they ever respond

[raven brook]

why yharim sucks actually

and theyt never responded yeah

[split mortar]

😭

[long bloom]

classic

[mighty zenith]

it mightve legit been a bait post

but its also calsub sooo

could go either way

[cedar path]

who knows maybe you got to them

[raven brook]

Like

I made sure to really avoid using dev statements and stuff cuz like

thats just unfair

how would they know

but evne wth stuff ingame uh

yeah you can tell it's just wrong

if you think abt it for a bit

😭

[cedar path]

are dev statement things like Dogma god and War god?

which I have heard about for the first time

like

today

[raven brook]

Yeah, stuff that is planned to be about in the mod

but isnt yet

but has been talked about here

Dogma god actually got some

indirect mentions, muhc like noxus

with the bestiary rework

[cedar path]

Dogma god sounds 🔥

[raven brook]

noticeably, hive mind's summons

[agile matrix]

i feel like panning the camera over to the wall of flesh and showing the good gods in it

is uh

[raven brook]

War God and Dogma God were two gods involved with the god-cult yharim was indoctrinated in

[agile matrix]

Is A Good Sign

[mighty zenith]

i can never read dogma god without thinking of dogma from isaac

[raven brook]

Dogma God being the leader of it

And War God being more like a hired mercenary for it

They're both really fucking evil but also, albeit in different ways, really powerful

[long bloom]

i hope we get to hear about the war vs yharon fight

[raven brook]

they were some of yharim's first big roadblocks iirc

[long bloom]

sounds hype as shit

[raven brook]

And after their death

[simple tangle]

Mf who do they think won????

[raven brook]

they became one of the many gods that makes up the corruption (dogma) and crimson (war)

though noticeably

due to their strenhgt and influence

they became essentially the most influentail god in those biomes

[agile matrix]

same here

[simple tangle]

Yharim basically won right

[agile matrix]

i think of Kratos and i think of Dogma

[zenith geode]

he almost did it

[raven brook]

dogma controls most of hive mind, and war control most of perfs

[agile matrix]

pyrrhic victory i thibk

[raven brook]

(Which, the fact that fighting these guys so early on is kinda extremely anticlimatic narratively is one of the two main reasons they're being moved to post ml)

[split mortar]

Probably over 90% of gods are dead due to him and yeah the only one out if his reach is xeroc

[raven brook]

The other being that its also ass inthe game design sense

[agile matrix]

not total and not a good victory but he did kill most gods

[agile matrix]

they replace dragonfoll right

[raven brook]

ye

tier swap

dragonfolly goes to pre hm post evil 1

[agile matrix]

makes sense

[raven brook]

evil 2 goes to immediately post ml, like folly is rn

[agile matrix]

is Aerialite gonna be more Electricity

[raven brook]

same tier as guardians and likely deus in the future

[raven brook]

I mean,

aerialite is related ot vetrasyl

[long bloom]

we already have electric dragon metal

[raven brook]

so

[agile matrix]

i wanna make a mockup of future boss progression and ask people for help against it

[raven brook]

Pretty sure Dragonfolly lore is being rewritten a bit too, in the sense they're like

dragon vultures

[split mortar]

Aerialite has storm weather powers and is originated from the storm weather powers dragon iirc

[mighty zenith]

i just hope the swarm idea sticks

[agile matrix]

“struggling against perforators, any suggestions” and its post ml stuff

[raven brook]

they scavenge the essence of fallen auric dragons

[mighty zenith]

its like, the best way to make folly interesting

[simple tangle]

What does Old Duke do

[raven brook]

and absorb part of their powers onto themselves

[split mortar]

Racist grandpa

[agile matrix]

be very racist

[raven brook]

the dragonfollies electric powers would then

make alot of sense with them being moved to be a sky boss

cuz yk

vetrasyl essence is probably all over the place t here

and hes the st orm dragon

[raven brook]

Long s tory

[zenith geode]

be the uncle in his late 50s you're very fearful of showing up for thanksgiving dinner

[raven brook]

But basically

[agile matrix]

call the dragons “birdbrains” and “fl*****s”

[raven brook]

He has a very bad case of inferiority complex due to the fact he was probably one of the first if not the first dragon ever to be born aft er they ran out of the auric souls

Which leads to him

[simple tangle]

Will Old Duke still be part of the dragon offshoot that would eventually become the pigron fishron etc family

[zenith geode]

nobody's invited him for the past 20 years so you'd think he'd hate the hint

[raven brook]

fucking hating dragons

[zenith geode]

old duke will just be normal ass dragon

no fishron

[raven brook]

His entire goal in life is basically to compensate for his lack of auric soul by having as much control and power over others as he can all the while also being spiteful towards every other dragon ever cuz he hates htem

he will like

literally have dragon slave servants or sm

[agile matrix]

duke fishron should infact be the genetic key to the fishron and i think pigs

[raven brook]

(offshoots ofc, not auric dragons they're Dead)

it's probaby like

[agile matrix]

im half sure the horrible hog stems from Pigrons

[raven brook]

EXTREMELY cdatharthic to him

[zenith geode]

piggy is a descendent of old duke

[raven brook]

that he literally outlived

[agile matrix]

yeah

[zenith geode]

where does divine swine fall into the evolutionary tree

[raven brook]

every single godamn auric dragon but the one that is literally immortal

do you guys know the eternal emilitia npc from hollow knight?

[agile matrix]

man discussing descendants in lore is so iffy because like

[split mortar]

God

[simple tangle]

Yharon and Ol' Duke have so much beef its insane

[split mortar]

Creator of the universe

[simple tangle]

Ohhh yes I love that

[agile matrix]

that characters gotta Do Stuff with Other Characters

[simple tangle]

I love her

[agile matrix]

the insane one

[raven brook]

She's a npc in a house in the city of tears that can't stop laughing because the other nobles from hallownest mocked her and made fun of her for not being as wealthy as them

Yet

she literally outlived all of them

She laughs at the fact they all became husks

While she, the outcast who was mocked, survived

Yeah thatas old duke

[agile matrix]

isnt she mildly infected or is she covered in enough flowers to not get that

like colloseum infected not cot infected

[raven brook]

she dosentg show any signs of infection at all

no orange eyes, no orange smoke or anything

much like many other characters in hk she probably just resisted it through willpower

in her case that willpower probably singlehandedly came from spite

[split mortar]

[mighty zenith]

there was a theory about her that the flowers/incense in her room is causing her to laugh

but her living through spite is much funnier

[simple tangle]

Shes just a hater

[raven brook]

ehhh frankly i think it's way fucking cooler if it's just spite

it makes for am uch more interesting characterization than a plot mcguffin

[mighty zenith]

it mostly comes from salubra being very similar to her

[agile matrix]

“I NEED THESE GUYS FUCKING DEAD KNIGHT I WANT THEM GONE”

[split mortar]

Does eternal emilitia even do anything i forgot

[mighty zenith]

except salubra is unaware that everyone is dead

[raven brook]

specially cuz there's no indication flowers resist the infection

[agile matrix]

you can deliver a flower to her iirc

[raven brook]

nah shes just a minor worldbuilding npc

[split mortar]

Presumed so

[raven brook]

the only flower - divine power interaction we know is delicate flowers and void

or well

everblooms, as we discover in silksogn

is their actual name seemingly

[agile matrix]

that one also is implied to be pure enough to be unaffected by Most Things

like most infections

its just not good when at all harmed

[raven brook]

well we're yet to see any indication of that in any hk media so far

[mighty zenith]

why are we discussing hollow knight now

[raven brook]

its been only directly connected to the void

which also contrasts it being pale white

vs the void being pitch black

[split mortar]

Old duke -> emilitia -> hk lore

[agile matrix]

old duke -> eternal emilita -> hk

[raven brook]

yeah tis

[split mortar]

Snail

[mighty zenith]

fair enough

[agile matrix]

fuck you im on phone

[split mortar]

So am i

[agile matrix]

tortoise and the hare

[raven brook]

anyways old duke is uhhh racist and hates those damn drak*ns

technically

we got the first

proper od new lore implementation in this update

elden diorama

😭

[agile matrix]

hates those damn fl*****s

[raven brook]

it depicts the jade palace

[split mortar]

Ph right 😭

[raven brook]

also there's uhh

scion's curio

which is also connected to OD

and it has dialogue? but i haven't seen it yet so i cant tell if the dialogue is actually meaningful in any way

or if its just

schizoposting brainrot

😭

[agile matrix]

?

show

[raven brook]

haven't seen it, couldn't even if i wanted :p

unless you just mean the acessory itself

its the reworkd version of uhhhh

[split mortar]

If the curio says sigma im uninstalling calamity

[raven brook]

rusty medallion

its hte r eworked version of that

its a jade dragon

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Scions_Curio

which, Jade and Dragon and found in hte Sulphur Sea

pretty. self explanatory why its connecte to OD

the naem too

[long bloom]

mostly this

[raven brook]

If you guy sdont know what a scion is uhh

[long bloom]

but there's a couple tidbits of potential lore amongst the incomprehensible yapping

[raven brook]

yeah

like its very much a old duke thing

[long bloom]

also it mentions ozzabucks

[raven brook]

so yeah these 2 random items are

[agile matrix]

oh i thought it was a dude

[agile matrix]

what

[raven brook]

the only pieces of actual "od lore"

in the game rn

like the acutal new lore

[agile matrix]

the wiki hasn’t updated what does it say

[long bloom]

scion's curio mentions ozzabucks

[simple tangle]

Why

[raven brook]

This is the other one

cuz it depicts the jade palace

which is the palace old duke lives in alongside all of his dragon servant shitlings, atleast thats the general idea

whether it'll be an area you can access ingame or not is unknown atm

cuz i have no idea where it's fit in the map unless if not a subworld

which i cant lie would be cool but 3 subworld might be a little

[simple tangle]

3? What else is there other than Distortion

[split mortar]

Aerie

[long bloom]

aerie

[raven brook]

aerie

[simple tangle]

Ahhh

Right

Aerie

[long bloom]

also abyss subworld when

[raven brook]

we know its a big eastern-styled palace with alot of Jade (jade is generally going to be associated with old duke with his redesign and lore expansion/rewrite) somewhere in the sulphur sea and its where od lives

whether we'll actually be able to go there or it will remain as just

a lore area

is unknown

[simple tangle]

Current Old Duke being post everything is rly funny

[worldly girder]

Sorry huh what

[raven brook]

also worth noting these ideas are very much not 100% aset in stone

you missed alot lol

we were talking about the old duke unreleased lore and st uff

and how technically brainstorm added

[worldly girder]

I did lo

[raven brook]

the first 2 elements of it

[split mortar]

Missed hk lore talk

[raven brook]

those being just 2 items that have some general connection to it

😭

[worldly girder]

So wait what game stage will old duke be in??

[simple tangle]

Old Duke is DoG but with actual aura

[raven brook]

same as current

[worldly girder]

Ok

[raven brook]

pre-dog, same tier as signus is planned to be

[long bloom]

what does this mean

[worldly girder]

Ooooh that's fun for Signus my GOAT

[simple tangle]

Nothing

[split mortar]

Jared is post everything

[agile matrix]

HOW MANY SUBWORLDS CAN CALAMITY REASONABLY HAVE

1. Aerie
2. Distortion
3. Jade Palace
4. Abyss but deeper and darker this time (somehow)
5. SPAAAAACE YAAAAAY
6. idk!

[worldly girder]

"Haha Signus you are banging my boyfriend" -Braelor idk

[simple tangle]

Its just a statement that its rly funny for this random ass fish to be the last boss before Dog Yharon Scal Exos

[raven brook]

old duke is weaker than yharon but not by much and realistically i think if the two ever met old duke would jump him

that is

[agile matrix]

OD is post polterghast?

[raven brook]

if yharon also dosen't jump him first

[long bloom]

whar

[raven brook]

i think they'd Jump Eachother

[raven brook]

I mean it's true

[agile matrix]

polterghast is post providence?

[raven brook]

ingame rn

[long bloom]

wrong fish though

[raven brook]

without the od lore being ingame

[agile matrix]

its pre dog post polter

[raven brook]

yeah noe he's just a random ass fish that's post everything except yharon, scal anmd exos

and dog

[simple tangle]

"post everything" is me being hyperbolic

[long bloom]

oh
so not actually post everything

[raven brook]

yes

current progression is like

[agile matrix]

oh okay

[raven brook]

providence > polterghast > distortion guys > old duke > devourer

Planned progression is more like

[agile matrix]

also is this right

[split mortar]

Polter is post distortion guys iirc

[worldly girder]

I swear current is distortion guys before polter?

[raven brook]

might be right idrm

providence > storm weaver > polterhast/ravager > old duke/signus > devourer

that's what it's probably gonna be

in the ufture

not guaranteed ofc

but generally seems to be it

[simple tangle]

Oh yeah ceaseless void is gonna get bum mini boss status right

[worldly girder]

Signus my goat my glorious king please don't die

[raven brook]

maybe, not confirmed

ceaseless is in a iffy spot rn

seems like devs are not sure what to do with it

[raven brook]

Iiirc

He probably wo'nt

Triangle talked about some plans where the fight is a "deal" in of itself basically

[agile matrix]

Evil2 > Profaned Stuff > Storm Weaver > Polter > Ceaseless? > Ravager > Signus > OD > DoG

[raven brook]

win, and signus switches statis's body for yours

[worldly girder]

THATS MY GOAT 🗣️

[raven brook]

i mean

lose

brain fart

if you win, however

signus just leaves statis's body

[worldly girder]

So is there a reason Signus is doing this

[agile matrix]

oh awesome

[worldly girder]

Is it cause he's homophonic

[green prairie]

to be fair would anyone really like. miss ceaseless if it gets cut

[agile matrix]

if we lose is there actual gameplay content or

[simple tangle]

Am I tripping or did DoG used to summon the guardians after phase one

Or some shit

[raven brook]

Everything Signus does is generally for a reaosn

I imagine

[worldly girder]

It's kinda super important for Distortion

[agile matrix]

very long ago used to

[raven brook]

the reason that singus wants a "human" body

is bc it lets him move in the overworld more freely

[split mortar]

Yes its the calamity fandom cosmolight being nerfed is pissing a lot of people off

[raven brook]

maybe he can't do as much with his main body outside of the distortion

After you beat Signus he'd become a more, non-hostile background cahracter

[green prairie]

well i expect that part to stay but the boss itself i mean

[raven brook]

Cuz Signus ultimately isn't evil, as mcuh as he's also not good

he's a very Neutral figure

[worldly girder]

Ohhh so it's not so he can pretend to be statis so Braelor can give him kisses

[green prairie]

neutral evil i'd say

[raven brook]

unfortauntely signus already is yaoi towards draedon

[worldly girder]

😳

[raven brook]

shoutout to cogcloak s tier ship

[mighty zenith]

nop

[split mortar]

COGCLOAK IS THE NAME?

[raven brook]

stip gave me that name and its peak

[worldly girder]

Wait so what is Draedon again

He doesn't appear human

[mighty zenith]

self-aware AI

[worldly girder]

He has them fuckass digitigrade legs

Ahhhh

[mighty zenith]

with robot bodies

[split mortar]

Robot

[mighty zenith]

but he's not confined to one body

[split mortar]

Robo ai thingy

[green prairie]

originally a robot made by a guy who's long dead, but he's uploaded himself into a computer to become a sentient AI basically

[mighty zenith]

he's like ultron basically

[agile matrix]

oh thats an excellent shipname

no Sigdon or whatever the fuck

10/10

[split mortar]

Its left ambiguous intentionally if thats the case

[mighty zenith]

name-combined ship names suck ngl

[agile matrix]

i could go on and on abt my hatred for name combinations

Asriel Fucking Dreemurr

[worldly girder]

They can be fun

[mighty zenith]

that one's funny tbf

because asgore sucks at naming things

[agile matrix]

that ones really funny but its the only like

two good ones

if i hear one more mashup of names after that i sometimes explode

bc theres So many good ones

[worldly girder]

Especially since ship names like cogcloak can lowkey be corny asf most of the time

[split mortar]

Subject x draedon

[mighty zenith]

i'd rather take corny than lazy

shipping is pretty inherently corny anyway

might as well have fun with it

[green prairie]

shipping is cringe but its really fun so i dont care!

everyone must ship

[worldly girder]

Yeah but like c'mon name combos are good enough unless they really just do not go together

[agile matrix]

IMMA SAIL THE HIGH SEASON NYARHAHARRRR TREASURE AND RUM RAAAAAH

[green prairie]

now i wanna know where yar har har ass pirates fit into the calamity-verse

are they just goofy pirates?

[long bloom]

they're exactly the same yeah

[simple tangle]

Xeroc selfshipping or Draedon selfshipping
Choose.

[worldly girder]

Yeah sometimes cal lore for smth is just vanilla lore for it ngl

[raven brook]

Counterargument:

cogcloak cooler

[green prairie]

i like how because of that Mars just casually exists

[raven brook]

I mean really

what lore

terarria pirate lore:

theyre pirates yharhar

me plunder booty

[worldly girder]

😳

[mighty zenith]

pirates lore is that uhh

tehy're pirates

thats it

[raven brook]

yarr where be my rum

[green prairie]

go farm spider fangs asshole go make your own rum

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

STEALING SHIT GETTING THAT FUCKING DOSH AND DRINKING ENOUGH blinkroots! TO KILLA MAN

[green prairie]

ohhhhh i get it he drinks blinkroots because its used in spelunker potions. which highlight treasure

wow im a fucking idiot actually

[raven brook]

man its still so fucking funny to me that one of the only bits of content that referneces old duke's new lore in the game right now in any way

is this

1 furniture item

and it dsoent even have any like actual written lore on it or anything