lore-discussion

[nova oar]

To quote this one lawyer talking about his experience working with Trump, "He has an interesting relationship with the truth."

[eager bluff]

the crusade wasnt ever "not that bad" because it was all always yharims glorified revenge quest

[vale osprey]

I hope all this is solved the day Yharim is released

Including Scal vs exo

[simple tangle]

yharim release probably wont give that much info we wont already learn before then

theres not much the man can say that hasnt already been said by the mess he left behind

[eager bluff]

delusion is not an excuse for nearly globe spanning vengeance

[vale osprey]

Speaking of future updates, I heard someone mention sky people once in relation to calamity, what do we know about them??

[simple tangle]

no oness...saying that?

[vale osprey]

To Yharim it is

[nova oar]

Yeah, obviously. I'm just saying it (and he) got worse over time. Yharim makes excuses for some of his increasing violence (saying DoG encouraged him committing more war crimes than usual) and then takes the blame for other things ("I made excuses for why I wasn't dealing with the prisoners. I could have, but I was apathetic at that point.") But through all of that is a man who crossed more and more lines as time went on until he just said "fuck it, we wiping entire countries and species off the map"

All of it could have been avoided if he just asked the gods he was killing how they got their souls, btw.

[vale osprey]

Dog is that one bad animation of chara whispering in frisk’s ear

[nova oar]

Yharon's clearly an unreliable source of information.

[eager bluff]

why communicate with the enemy

[simple tangle]

?

wait i just read the message down there

[nova oar]

getting more than one perspective on events is a generally good thing to do

[simple tangle]

i dont think thatd be such a clear solution, honestly?

[nova oar]

if some gods had a good reason to kill a dragon, then

[simple tangle]

if agnus slaughtered just absolutely butchered a dragon to get an auric soul, would he (and his followers) deserve death? i ddont think so!

[woeful karma]

in his brain theres no good reason to kill a dragon

[eager bluff]

why bother when you have direct experience of them trying to kill you and have just been told by the last member of a nearly extinct species that gods are the reason this happened

[nova oar]

That's what he's thinking, yeah.

[simple tangle]

it doesnt matter their reasoning, in his mind theyre all responsible for the genocide of the dragons

[nova oar]

People never double-check their own biases and information. People would rather believe they're right than make sure they're right because most egos hate being questioned, especially by themselves.

[vale osprey]

Yharim is peta turned up 11 and has a semi good reason

[nova oar]

It's one of humanity's most common and worst flaws.

[simple tangle]

they're complicit in genocide -> therefore they deserve death

[eager bluff]

yharon being an unreliable narrator doesnt matter when you dont know hes an unreliable narrator and dont have anybody else around to give countering information

[simple tangle]

this is true also

like

[nova oar]

tbf the game itself doesn't give much countering information relative to Yharim

I wonder if that's intentional

[eager bluff]

not really

unfinished mod moment

[simple tangle]

i think part of it is just that the whispers are rly easy to get ur hands on

[nova oar]

ik a lot of it is because unfinished mod, but there is poetry in that as well

[nova oar]

exactly

[simple tangle]

so u are all but guaranteed to hear what yharims got to say

[vale osprey]

I wanna pledge to the patron so mod gets deved quicker but I’m brooooooke

[simple tangle]

yharon is the only individual to ever give him the story and for him to believe it
i mean he believed it so hard it became the entire point of his existence
not to say yharon was lying, but its rly easy to assume he omitted more than a few crucial details

[nova oar]

The easiest and most digestible information is what Yharim says, that he was only committing counter-genocide, so it's reasonable. Yharim had a good reason, he just went way too far.

You have to go out of your way to get other information in the game.

There is poetry in that being the case.

[eager bluff]

honestly i dont know if he even omitted anything

[simple tangle]

yharim casually ignoring the existence of the hallow is always funny asf

[simple tangle]

honestly! he may not!

[eternal veldt]

Are all the deities just dead when you kill them? Will there be a way to bring them back if you choose your next boss to fight?

[simple tangle]

refights generally arent canon

[eternal veldt]

I know im asking lore wise

[vale osprey]

Looked up Yharim to make sure I was getting names right and this is on his front page

[eager bluff]

i think yharons perspective being so tainted and warped by his own hatred is a major reason why yharim believed yharon so fervently

[simple tangle]

but yes, the gods you kill die in lore to my knowledge

[eternal veldt]

I wonder if the devs will add different paths to the mod

[simple tangle]

only like, the elementals, the first slime god fight and scal are not kills

[eager bluff]

when someone is as convinced by themselves as yharon was its not easy to deconstruct that and refute it

[eternal veldt]

Slime god runs away from you

[simple tangle]

true!

[nova oar]

I don't think he ignores it, but he definitely hides it from most to make his reasoning easier to explain.

"Good intentions or no, all gods are sinners. Each and every one complicit in genocide."

He acknowledges the existence of benevolent gods, he just does not give a fuck because of how those gods got there in the first place.

[eager bluff]

not in the plans

[nova oar]

Which is just as bad, if not worse.

[eternal veldt]

Sad i wanted different endings

[nova oar]

He hides the Hallow from everyone but us because he thinks he can get us to agree with him, I think.

[eternal veldt]

To be fair we are killing everyone that comes our way LMAO

[nova oar]

Although I do think that moving forwards, information on how and why said gods got their Auric souls is going to be crucial to include in the game. Especially Xeroc.

[simple tangle]

itd be pretty funny if calamity had u kill, most bosses but then let you spare yharim :P

[nova oar]

And then by the time he figures out he's next, he just drops his fucking address.

[vale osprey]

I am not sparing that genocidal maniac

[eternal veldt]

Or vise versa

[nova oar]

Yharim "I don't duck fades" Godseeker.

[simple tangle]

calamity ending

[eternal veldt]

He wanted his fellow h×tler with him XD

[nova oar]

Nah, he just wants to throw hands.

[vale osprey]

Now the 6 auric souls can be used to break the barrier

[simple tangle]

i just saw the fucking earthmover in the background

how did i not notice it

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough too bad for him terrarians are built different

[nova oar]

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 🤝 Ultrakill

Banger music references

[nova oar]

I wonder if we'll get auric exo armor to match his own

No clue how we win without it.

[eternal veldt]

Kill the remaining gods fr fr

[simple tangle]

no matter what happens
i'll always remember
ou're brainstorms

[nova oar]

He has dragon soul metal with the Calamity equivalent of a fucking arc reactor.

He's basically medieval Iron Man.

[vale osprey]

Isn’t Yharim sitting on his ass in the aerie, he might be a lot weaker than peak crusade days

[simple tangle]

the new armor he got he like just got it

[nova oar]

It's only been ~half a year, plus his suit got an upgrade since

[eternal veldt]

Damn i really wanna spare other gods unfortunately i can't progress without killing them. Even though it's not a god i felt bad killing scourge both versions.

[vale osprey]

Imagine we get in the aerie and we just find Yharim sitting on a couch watching trash TV

[simple tangle]

aquatic scourge did nothing wrong

[nova oar]

I like to think that every kill you make is either self defense or "they had it coming" like providence

[simple tangle]

aquatic scourge literally's just chillin

passive until u attack it

[nova oar]

I mean, we always let Calamitas live, so the Terrarian has to have some kind of merciful side.

[nova oar]

same with queen bees tbh

although those are also optional fights

[eternal veldt]

Keyword some

Mercy route harder because you can't get the boss drops LMAO

[nova oar]

What non-optional fight doesn't have a good reason behind it?

[simple tangle]

in lore did duke fishron jump you

[vale osprey]

Can we French Revolution Yharim pleaseeee

[eternal veldt]

Wall of flesh?

[nova oar]

oh yeah 💀

that one's hard to explain

[nova oar]

my headcanon is that the crusade ended due to rebellion from within

[simple tangle]

you could say it was accidentally summoned

[eternal veldt]

Ter "throw them hands" rarian

[simple tangle]

(wall)

[eternal veldt]

Did a whoopsie on the lava LMAO

[nova oar]

Yharim lost control of his people, lost all his best allies save for Yharon

[vale osprey]

Head-canon but the terrarian was bored one day and threw it in the lava when destroying some trash items

[nova oar]

head-canon, calamity Terrarian didn't need to kill the guide

Cal devs just didn't come up with a better way to summon him yet

[simple tangle]

i like the idea that by the end of the crusade most of yharim's army was either dead or done with the crusade and he was mostly relying on fuckin DoG

[vale osprey]

I’m kinda out the loop with Cal mod but why has it stagnated so much in recency?

[nova oar]

I like the idea that Yharim was just kicked out of his own kingdom.

The Wulfrum Rebellion won.

Everyone heard about what happened to Ilmeris and started rioting like a motherfucker.

[simple tangle]

ownership issues and lots of restructuring

[nova oar]

F*bsol

[eternal veldt]

Idk if it's canon though or it's from calamity overhaul but i read on some kind of blueprint that the wall just attacks anything it sees? Or is this im the mod?

[simple tangle]

cuz fabsol got killed

[vale osprey]

Oh yea

[eternal veldt]

Found it in the labs

[nova oar]

overhaul 😭

[eternal veldt]

Dw i deleted overhaul

[simple tangle]

i think thats just what the underworld schematic thingy says?

[nova oar]

oh ok

[simple tangle]

in underworld lab

[eternal veldt]

Yeah

[woeful karma]

it wasnt fabsol it was the fucking fish mines

[nova oar]

yeah I don't think overhaul changes that

[woeful karma]

the sunken sea update was a disorganized mess

[vale osprey]

Fish memes? 😭

[nova oar]

wait WOF FIGHT BEING SELF DEFENSE IS CANON

[woeful karma]

which was not helped by fabsol's presence (but was helped by his removal)

[nova oar]

MY TERRARIAN CAN ME MORAL AFTER ALL

WOOOOOOOO

[pulsar ocean]

Lead by John wulfrum

[simple tangle]

so what did Yharon do

[nova oar]

Is Yharon canonically weaker than Calamitas?

[eternal veldt]

Still doesn't change the fact that he threw a clearly voodoo doll suspiciously looking like his first friend into the lava

[pulsar ocean]

cuz him and yharim soul bonded yharim can wear auric armor
He was the catalyst for the crusade cuz he set yharim up against the gods

[eager bluff]

yharon is earlier in progression

so yes

[nova oar]

that's kinda weird

[simple tangle]

was yharon like the mascot during the crusade

[woeful karma]

trying to spare yharim would be a good way for him to blow your face off with his super piss punch

[vale osprey]

The tavernkeep mentions how the guide is radiating dark energy, maybe the terrarian picks up on that too

[woeful karma]

yeah

[nova oar]

2000 year old phoenix dragon

20-40yo lady who stole power from brimstone elemental

[simple tangle]

ragebaiting my fat tyrant

[nova oar]

like... really?

shit, while I'm at it, why is Yharim stronger than Yharon? Yharon's the whole reason for his strength

You're telling me the auric dragons never made use of that metal that is NAMED AFTER THEM?

[woeful karma]

im pretty sure dragon attunement doesnt make you stronger

[eternal veldt]

That 20-40yo lady is a baddie so she got plot armor

[pulsar ocean]

Probably uncomfy to fly in armor

[eager bluff]

generally they didnt because Dead Dragon Ore but yharons resprite has him wearing some of it

[eternal veldt]

Didn't save empress of light though LMAO

[nova oar]

oh so he has all the same buffs Yharim had and was still below him

[eternal veldt]

A baddie that still gets killed

[pulsar ocean]

She’s lore irrelevant

[nova oar]

nah Yharon's a fraud wtf

[pulsar ocean]

2nd strongest dragon btw
The dragons were just fodder

[simple tangle]

top 10 being in the universe
fraud

[eager bluff]

not all the same, yharon barely has any auric

[eternal veldt]

Terrarian is top 1?

[pulsar ocean]

Xeroc is top 1

[simple tangle]

can someone pull up the image

[nova oar]

that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes

[eternal veldt]

You can beat his ahh

Maybe

[eager bluff]

reason being its quite hard to make full plate armor that still allows a bird to fly

[simple tangle]

no you cant

you cant beat xeroc

[pulsar ocean]

Nameless diety has separated from xeroc like a bajillion years ago
Now you can’t

[eternal veldt]

Not yet >:D

[simple tangle]

even then you dont beat nd

[eager bluff]

even if xeroc is added you still dont

[nova oar]

Xeroc controls the sun, Noxus has an entire dimension. So without just having dominion over a whole ass celestial body, Terrarian is as strong as someone can get.

[eager bluff]

its a sparring match

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough

[eager bluff]

xeroc is head and shoulders above anybody elses potential

[simple tangle]

xeroc seems chill af

[eternal veldt]

Nameless deity? Isn't that another mod?

[pulsar ocean]

Idk I think we’ll be able to kill noxus
If he ever gets added as a boss

[eager bluff]

we'll also only be able to do it with xeroc helping us

[simple tangle]

honestly? idk if we're gonna be able to kill noxus w/o xeroc support

[nova oar]

in the updated lore doc, they put a powerscale thingy in there.

Noxus was at the top in terms of sheer destructive capability.

[pulsar ocean]

I don’t wanna team up with the guy that killed an innocent dragon

[eager bluff]

we need the top 1 to kill noxus it aint happening otherwise

[nova oar]

Xeroc was at the top in terms of "who's most likely to actually win in a fight"

[simple tangle]

are noxus and xeroc pretty closely matched?

[eternal veldt]

So your telling me the gods are just weak af in calamity or is xeroc and noxus also considered a god?

[pulsar ocean]

Not even close

[eager bluff]

xeroc is John God, noxus is something else

[pulsar ocean]

It takes 40 perfectly coordinated yharims to take down xeroc

[simple tangle]

why hasnt xeroc murked noxus then? is he stupid?

i said noxus

[eternal veldt]

Xeroc is like god - god like the one above all type thing?

[eager bluff]

xeroc is the pinnacle of what a god can be considering he was the first one and has spent like a thousand years training

[pulsar ocean]

The only measurable unit by a dev is in yharims

[eager bluff]

no

[simple tangle]

noxus distortion being
dog's boss

noxus was actually god in old lore right

[eager bluff]

not capital g god hes just head and shoulders above the peak of any other god

[eternal veldt]

Oh so just a really strong guy.

[eager bluff]

one of them

[nova oar]

Xeroc controls the sun, I don't even think 40 Yharims can do that.

Now if you have dominion over something more powerful, can take the sun from Xeroc, or can cut him off from the sun's power supply, then maybe.

But good luck with that.

[eternal veldt]

If he can bleed theres a chance his killable >:D

[nova oar]

Oh

[simple tangle]

what does yharim do after xeroc throws the sun at terraria

[eternal veldt]

Terrarian only grows stronger each content update

[nova oar]

GOD DAMN, YHARIM AND THE TERRARIAN REALLY ARE LIKE THAT, HUH?

[eager bluff]

noxus was what happened when all the Evil™ gods fusion danced after xeroc was created by all the Good™ gods ending up iirc eating each other

[eternal veldt]

Told you LMAO

I mean from what i heard yharim tucked tails and fled when you defeat him? I haven't reached hardmode yet yince i scrapped my world to remove overhaul

[nova oar]

That would be enough to beat an entire planet full of Yharims, but he wouldn't do that because we'd all fucking die.

So it's kinda cheating.

[eager bluff]

im forgetting the specifics i just know xeroc was the strongest being in the universe and tantamount to capital g god and noxus happened in response to that

[eager bluff]

no when you beat yharim he fucking dies

[pulsar ocean]

Yharim is not in the mod bro

But he’ll die yeah

[eager bluff]

he wont allow himself to leave that fight alive if you win

[eternal veldt]

Hmm i wonder who i heard it from

[pulsar ocean]

Idk

[nova oar]

Yharim "I never duck fades" Godseeker

[eternal veldt]

Limmi guess. Big ego?

[pulsar ocean]

Golden heretic

[pulsar ocean]

The whole thing about him hiding in the aerie is that he stalks us so we can be his successor
He wants someone stronger to kill him and continue the crusade

[eager bluff]

no he knows his time is up and he would rather die fighting than go gently into that good night

[simple tangle]

"[playername]?
it's me, Yharim
you're father"

[eternal veldt]

As for nameless deity is he part of the mod lore since you mentioned him?

[eager bluff]

no

[pulsar ocean]

No I meant as in a lot of people for some reason think nd is xeroc and think wotg is canon

[eternal veldt]

No. Ill just refuse LMAO i wouldn't care if it's blood related

[plucky juniper]

Well now im taking this as canon

[simple tangle]

terrarian...i remember you're brain storms

[eternal veldt]

I don't think xeroc would look like a biblically angel though

[pulsar ocean]

Look at providence
God ascension can turn you into literally anything

[nova oar]

I imagine the reason why Xeroc hasn't killed Noxus yet is because he's not 100% sure he can, even if the lore states he'd win.

[plucky juniper]

Cei, you gotta be careful with what ya say, cause now i have do the same thing volcanologists do when they compare a volcanic eruption to Mount St. Helens.

"To picture the sheer power of Xeroc, imagine having to fight 40 Yharims at the same time."

[eternal veldt]

He needs the terrarian's help

[nova oar]

I think you deviate more from what you looked like pre-ascension based on how much you change as a person.

[pulsar ocean]

40 perfectly coordinated yharims

[eternal veldt]

Ngl lorewise im sure the terrarian would beat everyone eventually. It's just not in the mod currently

Bro grows stronger every fight

[nova oar]

I mean, idk how he's gonna beat the mf sun god

[feral skiff]

i do think their power would plateau soon after Yharim

[nova oar]

Shit, give Draedon like six more centuries and he might figure out a way to suck the primordial light out of Xeroc.

Might

[eternal veldt]

Idk if it's canon that the terrarian is beating gods and monsters left and right within the span of a month but i think terrarian has a pretty good chance

[simple tangle]

draedon, trust me, this chaos elemental battery will surely work

[nova oar]

40 terrarians, assuming Xeroc doesn't throw the sun and actually shows up in the flesh, could

[pulsar ocean]

Not much you can grow towards after killing noxus and yielding his drops considering xeroc is leagues above him

[eternal veldt]

Lucky for you multiplayer exists

[eternal veldt]

Noxus in the mod yet?

[pulsar ocean]

No

Being added after yharim (if devs want to)

[nova oar]

nothing past calamitas is in the mod

[eternal veldt]

Damn

Hmmm wait so how many noxus to beat xeroc?

[pulsar ocean]

I mean not really much past calamitas besides yharim and the 2 superbosses

[nova oar]

yea

[nova oar]

idk

[eternal veldt]

What 2 superboss?

[eternal veldt]

How many yharims to defeat noxus?

[nova oar]

idk

ask the devs

[pulsar ocean]

Noxus and xeroc

[eternal veldt]

Damn imagine if the only way to beat xeroc is with the power of friendship... AKA multiplayer

[nova oar]

that's a funny idea

[eternal veldt]

You have to destroy stuff all over the map and have to be done while fighting the boss

[nova oar]

a boss you can't hope to beat unless there's 40 of you

[eternal veldt]

This cuz 1 terrarian can't be all over terraria at once and would justify xeroc's full world reach

[raven brook]

You'll get to "beat" xeroc

Just not kill him

there'll be a boss fight, you can win it, but it won't end in Xeroc dying and realistically if the terrarian and xeroc really were going on a full force fight to the death, xeroc woulda win

the fight will be more of a spar than anything

[pulsar ocean]

Is he gonna drop the treasure bag

[eternal veldt]

I mean just squaring up with him alone is a feat already but i like the idea of needing 40 peopl pr atleast the maximum server limit post yharim or post noxus players to beat him where the whole map is the the battlefield

[raven brook]

Uh

Not to be mean but that's kind of an awful idea

😭

[agile matrix]

Xeroc's Bindlestick

[eternal veldt]

LMAO it's hilarious

[eternal veldt]

I mean theres no point of going against him anyway

[raven brook]

There... is?

[eternal veldt]

Did xeroc even do something awful?

[raven brook]

He's a boss fight in a game

[open iris]

It might seem crazy what I'm bout to say

[raven brook]

Locking a boss behind multiplayer is already pretty bad

Locking a boss behind 40 players is

Well not only is that borderline unplayable for most people but also the mod would probably break honestly

Tmod dosen't do that well in multiplayer

[eternal veldt]

Say it fr i wanna know

[raven brook]

Xeroc absorbed Zeratros's soul for unknown reasons but likely pretty damn reasonable ones

[open iris]

He absorbed the most powerful dragon and became King God, starting the massacre of Dragons

[agile matrix]

Xeroc was a bit hungry

[raven brook]

Xeroc is morally dubious at worst

[agile matrix]

and gods, indirectly

[open iris]

Well thats cause of Yharim

[raven brook]

I mean if we're gonna blame xeroc for the dragon genocide which is only very indirectly and unintentionally his fault

[agile matrix]

technically, the world soul shattering caused the Devourer of Gods to die

[eternal veldt]

Why did he kill the strogest dragon then?

[agile matrix]

technically

[raven brook]

It'd be more reasonable to fault him for not taking action against either the dragons or gods being killed but i have a few theories of my own

Which yeah that i think

[open iris]

If he hadn't done it people wouldn't know that absorbing Auric souls gave you God powers

[raven brook]

is a much bigger moral fallacy

[agile matrix]

didnt kill

[raven brook]

Yeah

[agile matrix]

Zeratros was massively weakened

[raven brook]

Which is indirect and unintentional

[eternal veldt]

Why did he absorb it then?

[open iris]

So moon lord basically weaken Zeratros and he tricked everyone

[agile matrix]

we dont know !!!

[raven brook]

Well, he might have killed him but less in the "fought him" sense but more in the "mercy kill" sense

[open iris]

Felt like it ig

[raven brook]

He probably did it because if he didn't do it Zeratros would've died and his power would've been gone for good

[agile matrix]

i like the idea that Zeratros gave his soul willingly, to have xeroc be a guidelight for a hopefully brighter future

[raven brook]

And with Zeratros's power they were only barely

[agile matrix]

the source for this is Nothing but it'd be cool

[raven brook]

able to beat ml

who came out of nowhere, mind you

0 sign of anything like it existing before

[open iris]

Where did that take us

[agile matrix]

i mean

a technically better future

[raven brook]

I mean i'd say the world was largely better with the gods aroundl, atleast for humans

[agile matrix]

dragon death is Bad but people also improved and grew around the gods

[open iris]

Also is moonlord like dead after the player fights him? He looks pretty damn dead

[raven brook]

Until Yharim started doing his Genodes atleast

[agile matrix]

half dead

[raven brook]

yeah

[raven brook]

after

[agile matrix]

oh yeah when we kill him he's Dead

[eternal veldt]

Mf did jack shit against yharim though

[agile matrix]

when we fight him he's Okay

ish

okayish

half okay

[agile matrix]

i mean what could he do

Yharim was very strong

[raven brook]

Yeah that's probably the biggest moral fallacy on xeroc's hand imo

The fact he didn't do anything about any of the Horrors happening

[open iris]

Lmao this conversation is so funny cause half the story isnt out yet

[raven brook]

Not like that

matters

for Xeroc

[open iris]

I love discussing incomplete stories

[raven brook]

There's alot you can learn by talking here

[agile matrix]

i mean Yeah ......

[raven brook]

Thoguh even then we do lack context

[agile matrix]

we really just need an outside source

Yharim is not a good source we need some fuckin

[raven brook]

I don't think Xeroc not intervening has anything to do with power

[agile matrix]

Omniscient Being

[raven brook]

Cuz he's stronger than Everyone

[eternal veldt]

Imagine if terrarian was granted xeroc's powers after defeating him in a sparring match to kill yharim

And noxus

[raven brook]

Xeroc is gonna be post yharim

bro will already be dead

[agile matrix]

im still waiting on us going to the Hell Area and finding the God of Knowledge hidden in there

[nova oar]

I think Zeratros did that either because he was gonna perma-die anyways or so Xeroc would stand a chance in case another ML-level threat showed up

[agile matrix]

and we can ask them directly factual statements

[eternal veldt]

Are we gonna kill it too.

[eternal veldt]

Oh

[agile matrix]

no i think the God of Knowledge would just. Not Die by your hands

source: it just knows enough

[nova oar]

And Xeroc has been dealing with said ML-level threats the entire time, hence his absence.

[eternal veldt]

Moon lord? Is prime moonlord insanely strong in calamaity?

[agile matrix]

it dropped the strongest dragon with a stealth attack

[raven brook]

Okay so

pinned mesasge

lore doccuments

they'll help you

anyways

[eternal veldt]

Thanks

[nova oar]

Because unless Xeroc had an IMMENSE workload protecting Terraria from existential threats, then there really isn't an excuse for him to not stop the genocide of the rest of the dragons, or whatever Yharim was up to.

[eternal veldt]

Yharim was just goofy like that

[agile matrix]

i mean we could go with a "Hmm. I caused this shit. I'm gonna not try and cause more shit." angle?????????????

[robust osprey]

maybe he protects terraria specifically from outside threats

like fucking

noxus

[raven brook]

I think Xeroc's lack of intervention is due to a mix of

1. Massively tunnel-visioning towards the distortion due to his trauma and feeling of responsibility - He's the only being powerful enough to do this, he needs to make sure something like Moon Lord dosen't happen again, he can let others deal with anything else. I think Xeroc has a extremely bad case of paranoia and ptsd after he had to directly live through Fovos's attacks

2. The possible consequences of doing anything to Yharim, Providence, etc. He already took direct action once, by absorbing Zeratros's soul, an action that by all means, probably seemed like the best move to do at the time, but even then, he faced the consequences of his actions, since even if unintentionally, all of dragonkind died because of it

[nova oar]

We can assume he didn't want the dragons to die because he sank the Terminus into the Abyss to prevent it from being used again, and we know the Terminus is what you need to become a proper god.

[eternal veldt]

Terrarian xeroc successor when?

[raven brook]

I think people often forget that

Xeroc can still be a flawed character

While not being a bad person

[agile matrix]

What?! Flaws in a Character?!?!

[raven brook]

So they find ways to justify how Xeroc not helping could be reasonable or fair

When i nreality

I think it's entirely possible that is a flaw of his character

That he could take time off dealing with noxus bs to actually help out here

But he's too afraid of the consequences to doso

Because he has immense pressure on him

as the closest there is to a sucessor of zeratros's legacy

[agile matrix]

we take over for him temporarily against the distortion and we see that dude has Cosmic levels of Burnout

[raven brook]

as the only one who can acctually yake down noxus

[raven brook]

EXACTLY

you see the vision

[agile matrix]

wave based distortion event where we cover for Xeroc

[eternal veldt]

Real

[agile matrix]

Braelor could even be there! imagine the possibilities!

[eternal veldt]

But we fight moonlords

[agile matrix]

nah we fight like

[raven brook]

"nah i'd fucking die" said the terrarian

[nova oar]

Braelor, Terrarian, and Xeroc jumping Noxus:

[agile matrix]

Mindmelded Warpsons or Noxina Optima

[agile matrix]

you get it

braelor bulwark healer, xeroc offensive, terrarian midground/objective

[eternal veldt]

I mean terrarian strength is insane currently

[robust osprey]

terrarian is the tank

[raven brook]

prime fovos is stronger than that

[eternal veldt]

Also is the dryad taking out ML canon in calamity or retcon?

[raven brook]

no

none of vanilla lore is canon

[agile matrix]

i like to think the terrarian is tasked with sprinting into the Noxus and destroying shields or offensive weapons

[eternal veldt]

I haven't read the document yet but is fovos = ML?

[robust osprey]

yes

[agile matrix]

ML is Zombie Fovos iirc

[robust osprey]

nah

theyre the same

[open iris]

How trying to theorize about ts feels like

[robust osprey]

none of them its actual name, people just named him those

[nova oar]

ML is Fovos on 1% HP

[eternal veldt]

Fovos > xeroc or xeroc > fovos?

[raven brook]

Ml, Fovos, all different names for the same entity

Xeroc is stronger than prime ml yes

[robust osprey]

later

[raven brook]

But prime ml is the 2nd strongest character in the whole mythos

[nova oar]

what if prime ml is one of a species?

[robust osprey]

yeah prime ml is stronger than noxus

[raven brook]

If that was the case uhhhhhh yeah we'd be fucked

[robust osprey]

maybe

[raven brook]

Seems like it's not though

Given

[eternal veldt]

So technically we do have a stepping stool after noxus to reach xeroc's strength

[raven brook]

We got confirmation that ml came from the distortion

so

[robust osprey]

thats probably xeroc's worst nightmare

[raven brook]

Well ml is fucking dead so like

[eternal veldt]

If ML is a species

Like xeroc is constantly fighting them off

[open iris]

Who would win, about a hundred gods and the last dragon, or some dude who just woke up

[raven brook]

Xeroc would not survive figthing a horde of prime moonlords down

[eternal veldt]

I still can't picture him doing jack shit against yharim without reason

[nova oar]

we may get a stepping stool to reach Noxus's strength, but as I said before, Xeroc controls the fucking sun

[raven brook]

As in like strenght

because xeroc is

[open iris]

Just attack at night

[raven brook]

cosmically stronger than yharim

xeroc is way, way stronger than yharim

by a mile

[eternal veldt]

I meant taking action

[nova oar]

we would need the power to move a small star to beat Xeroc

[pulsar ocean]

is xeroc god essence tasty

[nova oar]

and since the cosmolight isn't canon, we don't have that

[raven brook]

i mean yharim kinda commited a massive genocide and is a horrible person so i think thatd be enough reason for most people but again

refer to the stugff is adi

said

[agile matrix]

Yharim v. Xeroc is, using hollow knight, kinda like the Pure Vessel v. Absolute Radiance

two entirely different power scales

[eternal veldt]

Hmm how about empress of light is she under xeroc's command?

[robust osprey]

empress of light is ?????????

[pulsar ocean]

Would you not turn evil if you got bathed in lava and the evil god of cultism wanted you to eat an innocent egg

[raven brook]

nah i'd win

[open iris]

Calamity devs weren't planing for empress of light ig

[nova oar]

We don't know. The only thing we know about her is that she can tap into Xeroc's domain, the primordial light. But it's still Xeroc's domain.

[open iris]

Who would win, Xeroc or Rod of Harmony

[pulsar ocean]

is rod of harmony gonna be post xeroc

[eternal veldt]

Probobly

[nova oar]

prob post Yharim

[neat jetty]

How do you become a lore larp in Calamity?

[robust osprey]

what if you say like

"hey xeroc dude, look at this cool thing I got, it's the rod of discord"

"oh waow that's cool dude, let me do something"

and he upgrades it to rod of harmony

[eternal veldt]

He rewards it to you after you defeat him

[eternal veldt]

Not a horde more like just constantly fighting the species or sum

[pulsar ocean]

Think that nameless diety is xeroc and addons are canon

[neat jetty]

Ah

[eternal veldt]

Lmao

How about stars above mod?

[pulsar ocean]

idk I was too lazy to continue it

[eternal veldt]

Too much content lol

[raven brook]

there being a ml species would be an absolute narrative nightmare

😭

[pulsar ocean]

But I mean it’s got badass reference weapons too so it’s probably canon

[neat jetty]

Also heard calling yharim “fallen hero” or “ruthless cold tyrant” is also being a larper

[eternal veldt]

Would be hilarious if the one that attacked us is the weakest of the bunch

[eternal veldt]

Funny tf2 rocketman

[pulsar ocean]

just make cthulhu ml’s weaker cousin that got killed by xeroc to solve all naming problems

[eternal veldt]

But if it is a species the devs could potentailly expand content LMFAO

[eager bluff]

i dont think larp means what you think it means

[eternal veldt]

Like after beating xeroc you now have his responsibilities

[pulsar ocean]

Xeroc tax

[eternal veldt]

Bro can finally retire

[raven brook]

wdym expand content

the devs have

most of their big plans figured out already

they're not running out of ideas, they just need ot make the content actually real 😭

[eternal veldt]

Good for them

They aren't tryig to milk the mod

[eager bluff]

and also those big plans span literally the entire game they dont need to expand moon lord specifically

[raven brook]

ml being a species would be a complete nightmare narratively

[eternal veldt]

Respect

[latent flower]

• mow

• meow

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough or just cosmic enemies though that kept xeroc busy

[pulsar ocean]

shouldn’t eoc be called eye of a great beast imply a great beast

[eager bluff]

xeroc was kept busy by training for a thousand years

[eternal veldt]

Bro couldn't take a break to stop yharim 🥀

[pulsar ocean]

He was too busy watching every episode of Seinfeld on his sun couch

[eternal veldt]

Completely reasonable

[split mortar]

Scal sponge theory!!!

[glacial wolf]

maybe one of the things xeroc did first after ascending was putting a spell that prevented any entity of the same species from entering our solar system (the Sol system)

i said enter

key world
enter
Not exist, not kick any already in it out

[wheat walrus]

There ya go twin

We can all larp being calamity mod fans together twins

[neat jetty]

Oh I seen this

[pulsar ocean]

Did you actually crop all of the slides from the tiktok

[neat jetty]

Yes the fuck he did

[wheat walrus]

no i found ts on plebbit

since the user who posted it on tiktok also posted it there

[simple tangle]

i rly should play wotg

[warm gull]

let your yharim control your mind

[fast aspen]

whats lore about desert scourge?

[agile matrix]

what the fuck is plebbit

[raven brook]

big predator that lived on the shallow waters of illmeris

it was like a crocodile, it was semiaquatic but spend most of its time on water

illmeris got incinerated

most of its species died, but this individual survived

it lives on the desert now

da end

its just a big animal that filled a niche of apex predator basically

nothing more, nothing less

[agile matrix]

how does that big ass thing fit in "shallow" water

its huge

its the size of like two school buses

[raven brook]

there are several real life animals that are gigantic and also live in freshwater

i mean

shallow water

brain fart

[agile matrix]

not as big as two schoolbuses though

[split mortar]

And this is a fantasy setting

[agile matrix]

shallows are like often what

3 feet? 6 feet?

the terrarian is like 5 foot right

[raven brook]

what defines as shallow is semantics

[agile matrix]

i mean yeahh

[raven brook]

point is it lived near the surface of the sunken sea

it didnt live deep down on the like coral reefs and stuff

it lived near the areas that were still close to land

[eternal veldt]

Big but only eats microbes

[raven brook]

nah that's yharim being a dumbass

it was a predator

[eternal veldt]

Ahh forgot most of my understanding came from yharims fat mouth

[raven brook]

he probably looked at aquatic scourge being a filter feeder and assumed desert scourge was one too cuz theyre related

he unfortunately forgot that sperm whales and blue whales are both whales

[agile matrix]

i mean dont Whale Sharks exists

[eternal veldt]

Didn't desert scourge only became desert scourge after desert became a desert?

[agile matrix]

big ass guys but they eat microplankton

[raven brook]

yeah but idk how that relats to what i said

[agile matrix]

^

[eternal veldt]

Like it used to be also an aquatic scourge and just adapted no?

[raven brook]

again

do not know how that relats to what i said

[split mortar]

No dif species

[eternal veldt]

Ohhhh i see

[raven brook]

i'm a biology nerd i Know big animals that eat plankton exist i am literally acnowledging the existence of Whales in my previous comment

[raven brook]

It adapted, it didn't evolve

it's the same animal it was before biologically and genetically

It was never an Aquatic Scourge, entirely separate animals that r just related in the same way a sperm whale is related to a blue whale

[eternal veldt]

So desert scourge was originally a predator that hunts. Unlike its cousin that's a filter feeder?

[raven brook]

yeah

aquatic scourge is a filter feeder

desert scourge isnt

[feral skiff]

contrary to popular belief, Yharim was never a biologist.

[eternal veldt]

Ok i feel less bad about killing the dude

[feral skiff]

he’s a hermit living in some random island in the sky

[raven brook]

he notably seems to have had a pretty bad lack of biology knowledge

[eternal veldt]

Gets all the infro from his goons runnig the labs

[raven brook]

assumes desert scourge was a filter feeder when it's a predator, says storm weaver and devourer are CLEARLY the same species

[feral skiff]

yeah cause he was too busy killing, he would not study animals for a living

[raven brook]

and then draedon goes and says "ayo no tf theyre not"

[eternal veldt]

Btw does draedon used to work for yharim?

[split mortar]

Yharim vs me in biology knowledge

[split mortar]

Yeah draedon used to work for yharim

Got kicked out due to competitive automated slavery disease

[feral skiff]

you have access to the internet which contains the sum of all human knowledge, you win

[eternal veldt]

Ok the labs makes much more sense now only reason im not reading the docs is because i wanna figure out the lore through the game

[split mortar]

Fair thats what im doing with the new lore in bs

[feral skiff]

draedon probably created their own internet, so they also would win against yharim in biology knowledge

[eternal veldt]

Used to be desert scourge fan. Im now an aquatic scourge fan

[raven brook]

i think both are pretty cool

i like lizards

[split mortar]

I like siffrin

[feral skiff]

Wait, the Terrarian is ME????

I never knew that!!

[eternal veldt]

Ok then if that's the case then terrarian is a normie that managed to get a REALLY small dose of dragon goop and turned into a really weak god

[raven brook]

I don't think that's how it works

😭

[split mortar]

Dont you need the whole soul to complete the ascension ritual

[eternal veldt]

It's not but it's hilarious and entertaining

[split mortar]

Truep

[raven brook]

fair enough

[eternal veldt]

Watching terrarian from the bosses perspective is really funny though. What do you mean this random cunt killed well known powerfull beings

[reef wigeon]

Yeah, and Xeroc launches millions of projectiles at Noxus after that

[agile matrix]

exaaaactly

[split mortar]

Tbf by eoc or king slime your already local legend worthy

[agile matrix]

hittem with the Solyn Gigabeam

[eternal veldt]

Exactly just watching the random hobo suddenly inch his power scale slowly reaching to your level is hilariously scary

[reef wigeon]

And Braelor... Heals the Terrarian if they's at low hp?

Idk

[agile matrix]

yknow how Defense Guardian works

like that kinda

cover whoever is under assault, defend the both of them if Noxus does an unblockable, and heal both of them

[reef wigeon]

It would be funny if Xeroc could perfectly no-hit Noxus while the Terrarian breaks through their defenses

[agile matrix]

truth nuke ...

xeroc parries that shit

[reef wigeon]

Difficult to program, but perhaps it could be possible

[reef wigeon]

Or, simply, Xeroc could make an improved version of the Rod of Harmony that's like the Normality Relocator

[agile matrix]

Rod of Discord -> Rod of Purity -> Rod of Harmony -> Pocket Primordial Light

source, trust me

[reef wigeon]

Speaking of shimmer, I thought in vanilla Terraria lore the shimmer was something like Moonlord's blood, idk

[eternal veldt]

Btw this is probobly one of the only times im gonna spoil myself what gods will the terrarian would kill on my playthrough and are they evil. Be obscure as possible

[agile matrix]

at least two or three

[split mortar]

Im of the opinion the terrarian is capable of fighting noxus due to how new of a variable we are, xeroc its close to finding out how to defeat and so is very dangerous for john sun to face solo but the terrarian much less so since YOU are new

[eternal veldt]

They evil?

[agile matrix]

eeeh. i dunno, i'd say they're not the best

[split mortar]

One is arguably the most evil character
One is a prick
One is ?????

[reef wigeon]

Some are bad, and others... exist.

[eternal veldt]

Ok so im passing it off as they attacked me first then

I don't wanna kill innocent in my playthrough

[reef wigeon]

Providence, Evil2, etc. enter the bad ones

[eternal veldt]

The poor bunnies in my kill count*

[reef wigeon]

Slime God... We dunno

[split mortar]

I dint think they wanted that much info

[reef wigeon]

Iirc

[reef wigeon]

Well...

[eternal veldt]

For slime god imma read the beastiary since yharim said it's corrupted or some sort

[robust osprey]

do we even kill a good god

[reef wigeon]

Sorry

[robust osprey]

being a twink is enough crime I think

[reef wigeon]

Uuuuhhh

I dunno

[split mortar]

Uhhhh dont think so unless sg is good

[eternal veldt]

wait do we kill a twink?!?!?! NOOO!!!!

[split mortar]

Slimegod is genderfluid

[reef wigeon]

Yeah, Yhapaganda moment

[eternal veldt]

But hey technically we didn't kill SG since it ran

[split mortar]

@plucky lichen got the slimegod art from stip??

[split mortar]

Oh…

[robust osprey]

no you kill it

[split mortar]

Your hopes will be broken

||queenslime|| 💔

[reef wigeon]

||Don't kill the queenslime, that's it...||

[eternal veldt]

Ohhhh ok ok ngl i would have made that mistake i mean is there even a good QS drop anyway?

Wait oh crap my fav hook

[split mortar]

Slime pillion is a upgrade to slimy saddle

[reef wigeon]

Its hook

[reef wigeon]

Yeah also that

[robust osprey]

blade staff hook of dissonance crystal assadin slime pillion

[reef wigeon]

Oh wow, that's a lot

[robust osprey]

also cool town slime

[eternal veldt]

I don't like the armor also i don't use mounts in fights anyway im fine with my horsey

[reef wigeon]

Sorry for not saying this sooner, but GUD MORNIIII!

[eternal veldt]

What class is the armor in anyway

[robust osprey]

any!

[reef wigeon]

Any

It's something like

[eternal veldt]

Even more reason to not go for it. Since it probobly wont give stealth

[reef wigeon]

The only true multiclass armor in Vanilla Terraria

Iirc

[eternal veldt]

I hate autocorrect

[split mortar]

Old ones army armours are multiclass just not all class

Also the early ore armours just give defence in vanilla which is any class iirc

[reef wigeon]

That's true, but they're not very good if you're really going to play a class, only pre-eye of Cthulhu

My Sylveon is so cruel that he will no-hit Yharim until Yharim dies of natural causes

[reef wigeon]

I just thought the Noxus fight would be about facing warped hallucinations of the gods he killed while we are breaking through their defenses, or something like that

[eternal veldt]

Im gonna fight yharim with no armors and just a copper shortsword to ruin his ego

(All of terrarian's strength comes from his weapons and armors)

[reef wigeon]

There should be a secret dialogue just for that...

[eternal veldt]

FRRR like reward the players that actually goes through hell to do that

[reef wigeon]

In fact, the Terrarian deserves credit beyond his equipment for his experience in real combat

Although many fights are nearly impossible without wings, hooks, and/or boots

[eternal veldt]

I mean if there is someone who can square up with post ML enemies with just copper short swords and platforms i think they could potentially be on equal footing against xeroc if given the equipment LMAO

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/xeroc-nameless-deity-gif-1607475809372859489

[eternal veldt]

Im still waiting for players to do a copper only challenge run

[reef wigeon]

Only one person has the potential to achieve it, and we ALL know who that is

[reef wigeon]

This is really inaccurate :D

[split mortar]

Wdym, clearly xeroc oneshots nameless

[reef wigeon]

Yes, absolutely

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-meursault-gif-7260110742577417273

THAT FUCKING SLIME THAT I HATE.

[reef wigeon]

Uhhhh, didn't he just take care of nature???

[raven brook]

ahem

he jumps us

he tries to kill us for seemingly no valid reason

[split mortar]

Jumps us for no particular reason

[raven brook]

and then runs away

and then jumps us again

and fucking dies

sigma god

• jump the terrarian for no reason
• make no attempt at communication whatsoever
• run away
• jump the terrarian again
• die

[reef wigeon]

Clearly because we are a nature anomaly

[split mortar]

🔥

[reef wigeon]

Tbh this is like a joke headcanon for me

[feral skiff]

would yharim mine diamonds with a stone pickaxe

if he had no prior knowledge of minecraft

[wanton pendant]

He would try to punch them.

[agile matrix]

yharim would punch the rocks and somehow get the rocks

[reef wigeon]

Okay, but the slime god isn't the Terrarian

[eternal veldt]

GUYS GUYS!!!. YHARIM VS ANGLER

[open iris]

If its on boss checklist, it can be killed

[raven brook]

eh

not really

some bosses arent killed in your fight with them

[wanton pendant]

Then who on Earth is this witch who moved in?

[icy veldt]

A second clone or something, I guess

[open iris]

Its still so funny to me that the Roman Empire existed in terraria and might have predates Yharim and Draedon

[plucky lichen]

Yes I got the original from stip and then kinda went off on whatever I felt like

Lainey slime god art isn’t canon but it’s canon in my heart

I love slime god a lot is just a silly guy

[wanton pendant]

Not in Calamity.

[eternal veldt]

What witch?

Wait no nvm i forgot i don't wanna get spoiled

[split mortar]

Imo post both

[wanton pendant]

The spoilers will cause you nothing but strife.

[hushed jasper]

Hi guys

[plucky lichen]

I gotchu

This is stip slime god

This is Lainey slime god

Femboy maxxing

[hushed jasper]

Kinda peak ngl

[mental valley]

How old is calamitias when we fight her?

[mental valley]

Holy unc

[wanton pendant]

You got the 130 year old profile picture.

[mental valley]

He’s just a little guy

[wanton pendant]

He's taller than me and built like a fridge.

Far from a 'little guy'.

[limpid saddle]

he's just a little big guy...

[wanton pendant]

On a little big world... a planet if you will.

[raven brook]

the proper term is hag

[mental valley]

True… he would never hurt a fly….

[reef wigeon]

Yeah, he would never hurt a bee, only a god with pieces of the world's soul in their soul

[split mortar]

Would genocide fish tho

[mental valley]

How strong or what importance does moonlord have in calamity

[split mortar]

The guy nearly ended the world and is arguably the root cause for basically everything since gods would not exist if the guy didnt invert the sun dragons organs

Even after being cut in half and organs ripped out and skull half torn off it still probably in the top 100 strongest things on the planet

[wanton pendant]

Nearly ended the world.

[split mortar]

Snail

[wanton pendant]

Used to be the strongest being.

[reef wigeon]

They came from outside Terraria and annihilated the dragons (according to what I read in the document, most did not revive). The most powerful being before Xeroc ascended (Noxus still has the most destructive powers tho)

[split mortar]

Oh the new bestiary entry states fovos is from the distortion

[reef wigeon]

Oh cool

They's something like Signus, I suppose?

(in the sense that they are not controlled by Noxus)

[split mortar]

🤷 havent gotten that far in the game just saw it be said here when update came out

[split mortar]

Oh almost certainly then i imagine

[wanton pendant]

Now that you mention it...
I feel like they have similar teeth.

[split mortar]

Moonlord was above modern noxus centuries ago

[wanton pendant]

What could this mean?
Teeth Theory.

[reef wigeon]

Wait, you're right

[obsidian plume]

theres official noxus concept art?

[wanton pendant]

None that we know of.

[woeful karma]

similar teeth to signus that is

[obsidian plume]

ah

[zenith geode]

the closest thing we have is the ccr noxus egg being a file that actually does exist in cal

[woeful karma]

theres also some ancient unused fabcode for noxus projectiles rotting in the mod apparently

[reef wigeon]

Nop

[woeful karma]

unless it got removed in brainstorm

[zenith geode]

https://github.com/CalamityTeam/CalamityModPublic/blob/1.4.4/NPCs/Noxus/Noxus.png

[reef wigeon]

Wait that Sprite is official?

[zenith geode]

no its in there as a joke

[reef wigeon]

Oh

[woeful karma]

it was once

youll notice it was last changed 7 years ago

[young socket]

OH RIGHT

[young socket]

this just reminded me to try and restore foveanator

[wanton pendant]

Whom?

[young socket]

tldr fab wanted to add a third eye to the twins fight in master rev

it was scrapped when he died

[mighty zenith]

oh yeah foveanator is kind of in the files

[wanton pendant]

Oh, that one.

[split mortar]

Is there the third exo twin one or did i hallucinate that

[wanton pendant]

What was with that guy and having triplets?

[young socket]

yes that was also a plan

[woeful karma]

FOVEANATOR MENTION

[young socket]

but it was never started i think

hi octo im going to show the world foveanator

u cannot stop me

[woeful karma]

why would i stop you

the people need to see peak

[young socket]

i love how professional the commit history is and then its fucking

fabsol

[woeful karma]

fabsol

[split mortar]

Fabsol

[young socket]

like the dude doesnt even explain what hes doing most the time

[woeful karma]

gods strongest developer

[young socket]

😭

[wanton pendant]

Spot the Fabsol.
Difficulty: Impossible.

[young socket]

LIKE WHAT NERFS

[woeful karma]

OH YM GODVFNJDKNKJVDSF

😭 FOVEANATOR LITERALLY PARASITIZES OFF RETINAZER AND SPAZMATISM

ACTUAL CANCEROUS ADDITION

[young socket]

LMAO????

[woeful karma]

"hmmmmm this addition to the boss requires the rest of the vanilla boss to be nerfed. surely this is a good change"

[agile matrix]

who is this mountain dre- This is Fabsol isn't it

[zenith geode]

yep

[young socket]

yes

[zenith geode]

drew's wings

[agile matrix]

i was like "why are they so inprofessional in the workplace" then realized that if calamity mod was an actual physical workplace enviroment Fabsol would likely be in jail for public intoxication and general nuisanctry

[long bloom]

fabsol is andrew spinx's evil twin brother also named andrew

[wanton pendant]

That's like, the opposite of how twins normally work, which is how you know it's evil.

[woeful karma]

fabsol's calamity mod is like a house where an extremely territorial dragon has nested in the kitchen and torches anyone who tries to make food because it thinks its the best chef in the world (it only makes toast)

[wanton pendant]

You know what they say...

[agile matrix]

"Remade Jimbob fight to keep up with modern standards"
"i think you should die for doing that"

[thick slate]

rome wasnt built

[zenith geode]

andrew (fun) vs andrew (why is this guy still alive)

[thick slate]

which one is andrew tate

[zenith geode]

he falls into fabsol side

[long bloom]

decidedly not fun

[agile matrix]

which one is andy from toy story

[wanton pendant]

Hate to even tangentially defend Fabsol but that Andrew is leagues worse.

[thick slate]

yea he got his ass beat too

[mighty zenith]

asshole vs human trafficker

[sacred pilot]

I mean they're both transphobic.

[agile matrix]

guy who did bad things vs guy who did Bad things

[young socket]

wha

why is foveanator in the "normalnpcs" folder

what

[long bloom]

banished

[woeful karma]

in the WHAT folder

[young socket]

normal monster

[simple tangle]

I am the forgotten eye.

[mighty zenith]

he's an eye because he loves reading books.

especially the books upstairs.

[reef wigeon]

Fabsol is Yharim Theory

[scenic olive]

mirahY theory

[open iris]

Wasn't there a specific date meantion by draedon

Like mdy

[robust osprey]

no yharim has some standars

[fast aspen]

Yahrim was terraria most skilled defender he save millions of lives throughout his career

[manic coral]

draedon mentions a few specific dates, so that doesn't really narrow it down

[robust osprey]

wow

blue cei

[manic coral]

yeah hi

i quit

am still here to chat though

[fast aspen]

do you tinnk that Yahrim was terraria most skilled defender he save millions of lives throughout his career ?

[robust osprey]

yharim is the good guy

[manic coral]

even assuming he saved lives for even 1 he did 10 more were killed because of him

[robust osprey]

no no this is fake propaganda yharim only kills evil gods and evil god followers

[fast aspen]

he is king of lives

[robust osprey]

spread the yhapaganda

[open iris]

YEAH DRAEDON MEANTIONS 11/19/1227 SO A 12 MONTH CALANDER

ROME IS REAL

[fast aspen]

okay i will spead like the Devourer and Calamitas had doughter Inanis

[wanton pendant]

Please do not.

[split mortar]

Please do not

[stoic gulch]

Please do no

[simple tangle]

Familia Calamity

[simple tangle]

??????

Yap

[leaden bridge]

The calamity mod community when it's time to erase Calamitas' asexuality
https://tenor.com/view/lebron-dunk-lebron-james-levronjame-gif-1038771198631298897

[split mortar]

She was also a minor when she worked for yharim

[simple tangle]

Genuinely

[rose star]

Roman empire Canon in calamity?! That means Jesus is yet in another universe, time to scale the whole Bible in terraria fellas

[limpid saddle]

I was gonna post the 'why are you blue' gif but damn wow alright fair enough

[limpid saddle]

well yeah where'd you think the marble mini-biomes came from

[split mortar]

Oh didnt notice that

Damn

[limpid saddle]

I wonder what lead her to the decision ultimately

or did you just think you had given all you feasibly could to the mod

[open iris]

Who would win Xeroc or the Roman Empire

[split mortar]

Xeroc

[robust osprey]

or maybe cei likes blue

[modest elk]

are the storm weaver and devourer related?

[split mortar]

They arent the same species but there is a theory that weaver is a prototype of DoG that escaped iirc

[modest elk]

prototype?

[split mortar]

Idk what bs says on this since weaver whisper did get rewritten iirc

[tropic oak]

xeroc……

[split mortar]

DoG is probably a artificial creation from noxus or some other thing thats not fully natural

[robust osprey]

would yharim and kratos get along

[wanton pendant]

No.

[robust osprey]

unfortunate

[wanton pendant]

Potential.

[robust osprey]

who would win then

[limpid saddle]

it all depends on if kratos can get past the auric

if he cant he's getting fried

[modest elk]

I thought the Devourer was just an armored… for lack of a good word, “snake”

[limpid saddle]

well biologically it is a serpeant

just because it's artificial doesnt mean its a robot

[split mortar]

If dog was just that then like nothing of the guy would be notable

[split mortar]

I mean
Dog is from a dif dimension
Not really able to properly be defined by biological terms that refer to stuff on the planet

[robust osprey]

I feel like he would tank it until it's broken

he is just that good

[limpid saddle]

well it doesnt just stop working after rejecting something enough

he would need to hit it with his axe or blades dozens of times while they bounce off of it & become themselves damaged to break through while ALSO being attacked by Yharim

[modest elk]

that he probably absorbed a bunch of auric soul havers?

[limpid saddle]

not auric, god souls

[robust osprey]

mmh it could go both sides I think

though yharim has some advantage

[split mortar]

Dog prob doesnt absorb it
Likely sends it to the distortion or to noxus

Which would be impossible if the guy was just a strong natural creature i think

[tropic oak]

ill kill you

[modest elk]

who is Noxus?

[wanton pendant]

A thing in the Distortion.

[robust osprey]

the big bad

[limpid saddle]

not really

[split mortar]

The Boss of DoG, creator of ceaseless void and the source of the distortion hivemind

[limpid saddle]

yharim's the 'big bad'

noxus is a secret boss with denotable plot relevance

[robust osprey]

fhraudim smh

[limpid saddle]

i mean his existence in universe is LITERALLY a secret

[robust osprey]

bro got that shadow crystal

[open iris]

Wait the cross necklace

Jesus existed in terraria

[split mortar]

Aint the cross an actual murder method from way back and not just a christianity symbol
Also could be hit with blatant reference which would mean not canon

[wanton pendant]

Crucifixion, yes, it was a Roman execution method.

[limpid saddle]

lotta roman symbolism in terraria

[manic coral]

there's a lot of it in real life, too!

[open iris]

Except the cross symbolize changed after the crucifixion

[mighty zenith]

almost like rome was kind of a big deal or smth idk

[open iris]

You wouldn't wear a cross just cause of crucifixion

[modest elk]

im gonna have to wait 20 years for this to be stated anywhere in game arent I

[manic coral]

i mean you could if you're just really into crucifying people

who knows

could be somebody's hobby

[wanton pendant]

That is quite literally why people wear them.

[open iris]

Fucking Ceaser Leigon over here

[split mortar]

There was a big piss man running around with a explicit want to make a statement out of worshipped figures

[manic coral]

"big piss man" remains a top 5 way to refer to yharim

[split mortar]

Damn

[open iris]

What are you on

[mighty zenith]

piss hitler is my personal favorite

[limpid saddle]

well thats kind of the POINT with Noxus

They arent SUPPOSED to be directly mentioned & name-dropped

[manic coral]

the only reason noxus is a known thing to exist is becuase it was already a thing in old lore

and both have the same characters

except one

but he isn't missed

[split mortar]

For all we know noxus could have been renamed

[wanton pendant]

Christianity.

[split mortar]

Daedalus? Yharims brother?

[limpid saddle]

yeah Noxus's existence is an implication, a disturbing idea that you would only really get to see if reach the very, very end

[mighty zenith]

ignalius got killed ages ago

daedalus only got killed with the 2023 rewrite

[split mortar]

You got killed stfu

[mighty zenith]

no

https://tenor.com/view/simpleflips-simpleflips-spray-windex-clean-simpleflips-discord-gif-26585974

[dusk laurel]

old astreal defeat talking about yharim's mom

[manic coral]

wdym yharims brother works at the azafure walmart

[mighty zenith]

worked*

[manic coral]

he's in new lore clearly duh

[mighty zenith]

brimmy hates walmart

[split mortar]

It was the only building left

[manic coral]

hey now that i quit i can say stupid stuff like this without having to clarify afterwards to be 100% clear that i'm joking

[manic coral]

nah he still works there

poor wage slave

[mighty zenith]

damn

relatable

[modest elk]

I forgot the lore, didnt Daedalus have something to do with Draedon?

[manic coral]

nope

[split mortar]

No

Daedalus isnt a character

In new lore

[manic coral]

and in old lore he was entirely unrelated

[thorn path]

whats gonna happen with the unreleased dialogue now that you quit

[simple tangle]

Writer quit....clear indication of Calamity recession

[dusk laurel]

she already passed off her work to the other writers

[proud fable]

now i wanna know

[dusk laurel]

about what

[proud fable]

tf is this

[dusk laurel]

uhm

wtf is that 😭

[proud fable]

cant find this mf anywhere

and i swear i just have calamity installed

me rn

i wanted to meet spike so bad

[frail copper]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[wanton pendant]

That is... a vanilla NPC.

[frail copper]

bro who's spike

[proud fable]

i dont know