lore-discussion

[zenith geode]

which immediately skyrockets rare sand up to the strongest elemental there

[sacred pilot]

Remember when Heart of the Elements used to give stat buffs? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[wheat walrus]

Ohio lurks

[eternal veldt]

Is it something like a summon?

[split mortar]

Kills you

[eternal veldt]

Or do i have to actively use it?

[zenith geode]

accessory that summons minions

[wheat walrus]

Ohio revives

[zenith geode]

summons em while its equipped

[eternal veldt]

Nouce

[long bloom]

it's like fungal clump

[split mortar]

Erases fatalis from monsterhunter

[zenith geode]

but you can put it in a vanity slot to have them but cosmetic

[eternal veldt]

THANKS

[long bloom]

anyway crafting requires eye of the storm, elemental in a bottle, rare elemental in a bottle, rose stone and pearl of enthrallment
at ancient manipulator

[eternal veldt]

Im guessing the bosses infinity spawning is only gameplay porpuses

[long bloom]

the only explicitly canon refight is scal but others are definitely plausible

[zenith geode]

yeah

[eternal veldt]

Thank you!!!!

[long bloom]

like queen bee and dragonfolly

[wheat walrus]

Ohio AFKs

[zenith geode]

dragonfolly is just a species of rather strong animal so theres more likely than not just a bunch of those out there

[eternal veldt]

Anyway im not gonna spoil myself any longer ill just play the game and read the thingy that drops

[long bloom]

same with qb

[split mortar]

Unless the boss has the excuse of there being multiple (QB , dragonfolly, eoc as examples) and calamitas who just does a spar with you
Yeah refights not canon, p big part of calamity is death is a bitch to undo

[eternal veldt]

Im still pre hardmode

[jaunty wraith]

I will send DoG to vore ohio

[split mortar]

Do check the bestiary even vanilla entries are different

[long bloom]

just keep in mind those are from yharim's perspective and he's the worst most biased person alive
happy playing 👍

[cloud ibex]

horrible message

[eternal veldt]

Oh crap so he's been whispering to me?

[split mortar]

Yeah

[long bloom]

yuh

[split mortar]

Piss hitler is talking to YOU 🫵

[zenith geode]

"i was the good guy all along please follow my footsteps" - piss hitler

[long bloom]

watching you from the aerie with his comically large telescope

[jaunty wraith]

You should take everything he says at face value and never question anything told

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

[zenith geode]

you really think people would do that? just go on rock phone and tell lies?

[eternal veldt]

Well to be fair i was also planning to kill everything cuz i couldn't become a "god". Might have changed my direction the moment i can get my hands on the elemental baddies though

[split mortar]

Cant wait for some of the elementals to be de womand their designs are so lackluster rn

[long bloom]

the Obelisk

[split mortar]

Ominous obelisk save us

[zenith geode]

i do like the new cloud elemental

[mighty zenith]

calamity players when they see a woman

[eternal veldt]

Theres always texture packs. Honestly i have one that only changes some bosses apearance and it surprises me when the boss im about to fight is an anime girl

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

Dont think i got it sadly

[zenith geode]

fuckkkkk

lemme try and find it

[split mortar]

Got it via looking in media

[long bloom]

snailgun

[split mortar]

Boar yourself

[eternal veldt]

Hey don't judge me. Im still recovering from accedentally starting my first playthrough on infernum mastermode. Got me scarred

[zenith geode]

shouldntve typed first buddy

[eternal veldt]

YOOOO i actually don't mind having a seraphim watch over me LMAO

[green prairie]

infinitely hotter idc what anyone says

[long bloom]

[jaunty wraith]

Have you done a calamity playthrough?

[eternal veldt]

Not yet

I just thought infernum adds new bosses or something i went into it blind

[jaunty wraith]

Yeah just do expert revengence, thats a good starting point

[split mortar]

Rev is only expert now

[jaunty wraith]

No infernum is a very high difficulty

[eternal veldt]

Got stuck at skeletron it was so funny when i challenged him again

In revengeance

[jaunty wraith]

Would NOT recommend for first playthrough

[eternal veldt]

Yeah i figured that out the hard way LMAO it took me 2 weeks to kill scourge and KS. Then another week for Eye

[eternal veldt]

Btw is this the new design?

Already implemented?

[long bloom]

it is upcoming

[eternal veldt]

Ohh nice

[wheat walrus]

Quoted you blud

[eternal veldt]

Sad that i wouldn't have my elemental baddies anymore though but the sprites are heat as hell

[jaunty wraith]

Theyre trying to make the elementals less horny

[green prairie]

GOOD they're hotter when they're not trying to be

[eternal veldt]

Please don't stick your willie in the ball of electric anger

How about the other elementals?

[split mortar]

Also the current designs are uh bad
Brimmy is just a naked red woman with one eye

[jaunty wraith]

I remember seeing somthing with brimstone elemental getting a dress

[long bloom]

sandy will become the Obelisk
brimmy will still be woman but with clothes

[split mortar]

Thats phase 1 iirc

[green prairie]

idk if the iconic spoon sprite is ever gonna get added but it was neat ig

[split mortar]

Phase 2 and the accessory gonna be angry exploding skeleton

[eternal veldt]

You have a pic i wanna get spoiled before i get the thingy

[long bloom]

it's been scrapped for like 4 years

[green prairie]

OH jesus i am very out of the loop on that

[zenith geode]

the dress is gonna stay iirc but brimmy won't breast so boobily

[eternal veldt]

Also if they are changing the sprites might as well rework the dang accessory

[split mortar]

Old as shit and almost certainly outdated to hell and back but heres the newest brim accessory i think?

[long bloom]

no pics of the Obelisk but this is a scrapped iteration of brimmy (she'll get breast reduction surgery)

[green prairie]

im so glad the elementals are all gonna look. not like that. i can actually use the accessory without fear of someone walking in

[zenith geode]

feat. shroomble crucifixion

[green prairie]

oh that slays actually

[eternal veldt]

NOOOO!!!!!!!

[jaunty wraith]

Now that is hot

[split mortar]

💔

[zenith geode]

i originally took the screenshot because i love the dress and how flowy it is

[green prairie]

hey calval team can we have that dress as a vanity i wanna wear that /j

[long bloom]

i'm not attracted to large boobs like at all but i'm kinda sad it's scrapped because there's nothing wrong with it imo and also there's more room for that cool skin detailing

[zenith geode]

i do like the blindfold

[long bloom]

true

[eternal veldt]

Wait no my image just loaded in i really think they need to change that

[green prairie]

oh yeah the blindfold absolutely kills i really hope it stays

[zenith geode]

kinda a sucker for designs with blindfolds

[long bloom]

?

[eternal veldt]

I meant the booba design

[zenith geode]

oh yeah what even is the name of the weapon thing she's got

like is it just a staff

[long bloom]

think so

[green prairie]

idm brimmy having big honkerinos, i just wish she was designed with a little more. covering

[zenith geode]

like its got a barb but its on the inside

[eternal veldt]

No it's a shield attached to a stick to bonk people with it

[green prairie]

the weapon is prettier than she is ngl

[eternal veldt]

Same it's barely covering anything

[zenith geode]

actually i could see a barb being used like that to rip out bones

if that tip is sharp enough that;d be a mean polearm

[eternal veldt]

Blunt weapon too

[green prairie]

thatd be an instakill dash attack if she uses it like that

[agile matrix]

ooh thats a spine
thought that was somethign else and was very worried

[eternal veldt]

But i think this is the best design for me atleast cuz she actually looks like a fire elemental

[long bloom]

?

[agile matrix]

uuuh Rule 4 Subset 2

[zenith geode]

do you mean her ribs

you can't see a spine there

[split mortar]

The accessory elementals gonna be much more like the element iirc
Anahita made of water, obelisk not just woman and yeah explosion

[agile matrix]

no i mean the bottom part of her spine

near the pelvis

[eternal veldt]

Oh

[zenith geode]

you cant see through her that much

[eternal veldt]

I mean i didn't even notice it

You just pointed it out 😭

[agile matrix]

i thought it was Not her spine thats all ill say

[eternal veldt]

Anyway if it's something like this imma be chugging obsidian skin pots every night

Design is fire.

Pun intended

Lmao imagine if chugging obsidian skin potions or stuff is effective against elementals or something

[split mortar]

Doesnt protect you against azafure magma idk why it would do anything to the elemental

[eternal veldt]

Would have been funny as hell though

[green prairie]

i think that was changed? at least it didn't happen on my end since i went down there in 2.1

[eternal veldt]

Wym by this?

Does obsidian pot do sumthing against bosses?

[green prairie]

OH i thought you were talking about the lava in the crag bypassing obsidian skin

[sacred pilot]

Looking into the Guide's new Beastiary profile now I'm super interested about the Demons 'n such.

[feral skiff]

calamity spriters making the most fire shit ever, only to scrap it because they can do 1% better:

[long bloom]

each sword in the devil's devastation line has a hefty bit of demon lore in the tooltip

[sacred pilot]

I see. Thanks.

[limpid saddle]

hmmmm....

might need to steal that colour palette

[long bloom]

[green prairie]

oh my god yeah the COLORS bro

modern calamity sprites have such pretty colors

[long bloom]

chicke n

dia the absolute goat

[green prairie]

the colors always look so yummy to me

[slate night]

Ayo is this the new resprite

Or is it fanmade

[long bloom]

official

[slate night]

Nice. When is it coming?

[green prairie]

no idea!

[long bloom]

when it's done

[green prairie]

when its ready and likely when Yharon is reworked

[slate night]

Honestly I really like Calamity's take on dragons.

[long bloom]

rework will be in the same update

[slate night]

lowkey most original dragon I've ever seen in any media

[green prairie]

its kinda funny that Auric Dragons being named the way they are (auric meaning "gold/related to gold" in latin) means they are literally Golden Dragons. thats silly

my stupid lego ninjago analogies never die!

[feral skiff]

Gold Electricity armor

[split mortar]

What would shadowspec taste like

[green prairie]

i imagined it'd have a very grape-like flavor? very sweet but with a bit of tang/sourness to it

[long bloom]

calamitous

[wanton pendant]

It tastes like paper.

[limpid saddle]

maybe if i steal enough brimstone flames colour palletes i'll be able to make cc's fire attacks look good

[latent flower]

it's so beautiful tho ignoring the massive badongahongaderos

[long bloom]

why ignoring

there is nothing wrong

[latent flower]

its a little weird to me

[split mortar]

Didnt dia make them so big on accident 😭

[latent flower]

like the colors and overall design is amazing but chill on the honkers

[green prairie]

like i said idm the boobs i just wish she was a little more covered

[latent flower]

well ya that too

overall the chest area is just questionable

here

😭

she's beautiful but got damn her back is ACHING

[latent flower]

this is also so incredibly stunning my mouth is watering

[pulsar ocean]

how would yharon taste

[long bloom]

true!

hey that's my line

[latent flower]

remember when i said i might just disappear for 5 years and do nothing but practice

i WISH i had that kind of motivation but every time i see dia art im like

im a little closer

each time

one day im just gonna disappear off the face of this discord

[green prairie]

very warm, bit of spice but nothing super overwhelming

[latent flower]

and you'll know what im doig

[green prairie]

like it just came out of the oven but its cooled down just enough to be edible

[latent flower]

yharon would definitely be very tough

not juicy at all

that chicken is 95% lean muscle

[green prairie]

i imagine there'd be some juiciness to him

yknow the scene in a minecraft movie where steve rips the leg off the lava chicken? i'd imagine it has a texture/feel to that

[latent flower]

naww

minecraft chickens are fat

[wanton pendant]

Tastes like chicken... Like a lot of things.

[latent flower]

chicken doesn't even taste like allat

only the dark meat has any flavor really

and it's just kinda salty protein

[green prairie]

i dont eat a lot of meat so i wouldn't know

[latent flower]

yas ive been eaten way less meat recently

because it's really not all that 😭

i don't miss it all that much

i honestly think pork is the yummiest meat

which is why it sucks that pigs are the smartest 😭

[wanton pendant]

Cow tools...

[latent flower]

meow meows

[green prairie]

i wonder how Draedon feels about his ultra-powerful, borderline godly technology being used for furniture

like ah yes, this powerful prismatic resource he spent countless years perfecting... turn it into a fucking toilet

[raven brook]

Zenith Toilet

[crystal pendant]

Devastating honestly

[reef wigeon]

So... Golden Sigil of Primordial Light in Bossrush

[long bloom]

you're yellow now.

that's my attack.

[vernal grotto]

I shit on your science Dreadon

[green prairie]

shit in your science

[formal nymph]

I mean he already questions our naming capabilities, but it’s out of his hands I guess.

[reef wigeon]

You are kakyoin now.
That's my Attack.

[vernal grotto]

does anyone else feel like yharim is just a direct analogy to the player

like he just comes in, does a huge crusade against gods, fucks a lot of shit up, disappears and leaves the few followers he had a live stuck with cleaning up the mess

[woeful karma]

[vernal grotto]

like the player does the exact same shit lmao

we just kill everything that is in our way with very little regard for the consequences it brings our world then just dematerialize when we beat the strongest thing

[vernal grotto]

it is up to me and hate for the aquatic scourage is actually my new reason

because indeed fuck that boss

[raven brook]

Most of the bosses you kill kinda deserve it or atleast were trying to kill you

[eager bluff]

aquatic scourge is like the singular boss that you just fucking kill for no reason

[raven brook]

There's like only a few bosses where the player is a bit more questionable but even then they're at worst just nonhostile animals, which is still alot easier to justify than if the player actually was killing any fully sapient individuals that weren't a danger

And as others have said y eah the t errarian's motivations or goals or personality or anything is up to whatever you want it to be

They're a blank slate

To think of all the bosses where you're objectively just doing the world a favour by killing them uhhh

EoC, EoW, BoC, Skeletron, All of the mechs, Analevi, PBG, Profaned Guardians, Evil2, Providence, Polterghast, Ravager, Devourer of Gods, Yharon

So that's like

a pretty big amount of bosses

Providence and her Guardians are porbably the biggest one

cuz theyre just omnicidal maniacs leading a giant omnicidal cult army thing

Like i'd argue with the exception of noxus and his shitlings like devourer and the rest of the hive mind providence is the single biggest threat to the world atm

[split mortar]

-# embers mention

[raven brook]

The crusade is far less active now with Yharim and Yharon not actively leading it anymore

So you get Providence, who wants to Kill Everyone, is pretty powerful by herself and has a huge fucking army

[eager bluff]

and even while it was active the crusade still left some survivors

[raven brook]

It's basifcally like a crusade of it's own

[eager bluff]

as horrible of a person as yharim is and as terrible as the crusade was there would still be something left over afterwards

[raven brook]

only reason id say noxus is potentially a bigger threat is because it probably wants to destroy the entire world or something and unlike providence who is not strong enough to fullfill her dream of Killing Everything yet, noxus uhhh

probably can actually do that

[obsidian plume]

How does the power of a god (who didn't ascend perfectly) equate to the power of the dragon it absorbed?

[split mortar]

If it werent for xeroc i imagine the world would have died centuries ago to noxus

[raven brook]

It varies

Dragons aren't inherently more powerful than Gods nor vice versa

There are factors to consider

[eager bluff]

generally stronger but that varies depending on how strong the god was before ascending and what domain the god got and how much the god trained afterwards

[raven brook]

The domain differs for one so their powers generally won't be the same, and there's also the factor of which one of them uses their powers better

[split mortar]

Gods more often have reason to want an increase in their power unlike auric dragons is they prob do tend to be stronger even if not innately above the dragon

[raven brook]

Usually gods are stronger but that's less of a inherent thing and morre of a

Dragons didn't really have much if any reason to actually train

because they were already like

undisputed rulers of the world

until ml came around nothing was a danger to them

[split mortar]

Kill a auric dragon and then suddenly you are jumped by 50 of them

[raven brook]

meanwhile gods are have several possible dangers towards them such as with other gods, other powerful beings and even mortals

[eager bluff]

and then the dragon comes back within a year or so

[obsidian plume]

Alright thanks, that's all i really needed to know

[raven brook]

np

[obsidian plume]

so even without training a god can still be more powerful

[eager bluff]

can be but not inherently

[obsidian plume]

yeah

[leaden bridge]

we dontt hink it can in like a destructive way but he can probably slup up all the life and the world soul magic and kill everything that way so itd be pretty bad still

[sacred pilot]

I mean according to the lore doc, Noxus has the most destructive powers.

[leaden bridge]

thats fair thats fair

but we like thinking of it better as like, hes not going and nuking planets you know, he jsut sucks up all the magic juice and it withers and crumbles

because its aura and hype moments

[split mortar]

Yeah but we dont know like anything beyond that sucking world soul essence could be a trillion times faster

[sacred pilot]

I honestly just thought it was just a comically large explosion.

[long scaffold]

What point in progression do the bosses start going from "Any rather strong person could get this far" to "One in a million can kill these things"

[eager bluff]

hardmode

maybe a bit earlier

[long scaffold]

Including WoF?

[eager bluff]

queen bee at the very earliest

yes including wof

[long scaffold]

So a rather strong but still kinda average person could beat Slime God?

or his paladins at least

[split mortar]

Slime god can take on the average army

According to dev statements

[eager bluff]

oh if you mean still kinda average they top out at like evil1 at most

[split mortar]

Killing a king slime/desert scourge/eoc is enough to become a local legend

So probably somewhere around there??

[eager bluff]

most highly equipped warriors are running like gold or platinum gear with maybe a couple life crystals

[long scaffold]

Alright... if EoC is such a feat then how did people hunt dragons?

[eager bluff]

1/1,000,000 also very rarely was it one dude

[split mortar]

Being the one in a million and having multiple people

[eager bluff]

like look at providence she had 3 other very strong people helping her

and iirc flame dragon wasnt even in the top 5 strongest dragons though i could be wrong

[woeful karma]

1 in a million still means theres thousands in the world

[split mortar]

I think all we know is yharon n2 and zeratros n1 ?

[dusk laurel]

being strong is a very vague term 😭

all we know about flame was that he wasnt weak, was an asshole, got exiled, and got killed by the 4 profanities

[long scaffold]

Fair

[limpid saddle]

death by lesbian polycule

not the worst way to go out

[thick slate]

got slimed by a dnd party

pack it up

[eager bluff]

also chances are the people that hunted dragons outsmarted outlasted and outmaneuvered them

think of it like a boar hunt but jack up the power levels by like 10-20x

[thick slate]

but boar cant fly

[dusk laurel]

the divine swine:

[split mortar]

They can if they were 10-20x stronger

[limpid saddle]

i was gonna say 'well we dont know if every auric dragon could actually fly' but i dont know that we dont know that

[thick slate]

im 10-20x stronger than a baby

babies cant fly

[split mortar]

You are not a boar thats why you cant fly

[thick slate]

oh to be a boar

[eager bluff]

you only cant because They have tricked you into believing you cant

one cannot fly if one cannot try

[thick slate]

i should try

[hoary cape]

neither could all of the dragons

[thick slate]

REALLY

dude imagine being a dragon and not being able to fly

[hoary cape]

not all of them had wings or flew

[thick slate]

thats literally the worst

[hoary cape]

there are dragons that are just big chunky ground guys

or small ground guys

[thick slate]

flying guy pick them up and throw them

[split mortar]

Dragon of being a fat fuck probably couldnt fly

[hoary cape]

how you gonna pick up a 30000 ton chunk of bony armoured dragon

[thick slate]

cuz big strong dragon

is fat no wing dragon the strongest

[hoary cape]

maybe i don't even know what they look like i just know it's been mentioned not all of them flew/had wings

[thick slate]

any serpentine dragons

i fw those

[long bloom]

potentially zeratros from something laura was rambling about earlier

[limpid saddle]

well the primordial wyrms technically

[split mortar]

We only got designs fir vetrasyl and yharon so no confirmed ones but i imagine yeah

[long bloom]

also vetrasyl

[split mortar]

Wait vetra counts

[limpid saddle]

they're a dragon offshoot but not auric

[long bloom]

noodle boi

[young socket]

there were definitely serpentine dragons due to wyverns and wyrms being serpentine, so their parents wouldve been too

[split mortar]

Explodes all your bones in your legs

[long bloom]

[thick slate]

the top dawg was a worm boss

[simple tangle]

hi cal lore

[long bloom]

helo

[split mortar]

Kill people

[simple tangle]

KILL EVERYONE

[limpid saddle]

bit of an acceleration

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-everyone-wheel-i-hate-you-gif-7282616540403564084

[hoary cape]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-at-this-user-ryan-gosling-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-fail-meme-gif-22090542

[wanton pendant]

We know one of the Wyvern parents, Vetrasyl.

[split mortar]

Sky civisilation

[limpid saddle]

im frightened by the implications of this given how many wyverns are kicking around

[wanton pendant]

Well, it was over 850 years ago, so I assume they've been busy.

[dusk laurel]

the concept of a family tree is baffling

[wanton pendant]

Defenestrate this user.

[dusk laurel]

im gonna tear out your cells one by one every passing moment

[split mortar]

What implications

[agile matrix]

exponentials

[thick slate]

why is it called a family tree

[wanton pendant]

Branches.

[thick slate]

my family made out of flesh personally

[wanton pendant]

Skill issue.

[dusk laurel]

idk im a plant

[split mortar]

Plantillin???

[thick slate]

yo what kind

[eager bluff]

the industry kind

[thick slate]

i love chrysanthemums

[dusk laurel]

💔

[latent flower]

roots....

at doze zoze

[dusk laurel]

@ do zezoze

[young socket]

@zozedoze

[latent flower]

@prime mauve

summoning

[prime mauve]

ROOTS

[wanton pendant]

We demand Shroomble lore. We cannot allow the tyrannical writers to keep it hidden from the people.

[prime mauve]

how about shroomble gores

[limpid saddle]

oh thats gore... that gore of my gloomborf character...

[dusk laurel]

word soup

[latent flower]

CRUSH

DIE

DESTROY

[young socket]

shroomble gores btw

[latent flower]

WHO WOULD MAKE THIS

WHYYY

[sacred pilot]

I would.

[raven brook]

soup

[arctic hawk]

is yharim john calamity

[long bloom]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Not since the divorce.

[sinful adder]

Did you know that town NPCs register shroombles as hostile and attack them

Also, lore thought:

Fovos' soul stealing powers are the perfect counter to the dragons, who have soul based powers

[sacred pilot]

Good.

[sinful adder]

The exo mechs and draedon's other creations on the other hand, are a great counter to fovos because they don't have souls

[wanton pendant]

Fovos:

[latent flower]

sippin that dr p soda so so soda

[agile matrix]

i asked this the other day but what is the difference between the five materials used in Draedon Weaponry

like Gauss, Plasma, all those

[long bloom]

laser is lasers
tesla is electricity
plasma is plasma
pulse is ???
gauss is magnetism

[raven brook]

I think it's less materials and more the different energy types they use

They're mostly real life things afaik

The only thing i could find on pulse that may be relevant to this context is this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_power

[agile matrix]

im like 50% sure that pulse is like shockwaves

like a flashbang i think would be a pulse

[raven brook]

kinetic power yea

probably smth like it

[split mortar]

How would each of these taste

[dusk laurel]

blows you up

[long bloom]

i'm killing you

[raven brook]

alrright thats my cue to leave

[agile matrix]

haha my tongues glowing
ghaguhaghuzhzhaa
OWIEOWIEOWIEOWIE
Ow.
Owhc.

[split mortar]

NOOOO

SORRY

[raven brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1456864497661644898/1465039222372040955/attachment.gif

[split mortar]

[long bloom]

peb l

[raven brook]

okay ill stay...

so guys uhh

[young socket]

we should kill siffrin

[raven brook]

distortion ml!

yep

sure is

[long bloom]

such new and groundbreaking information

[pulsar ocean]

damn is

[dusk laurel]

finally dont have to pretend that its fake after 1 and a half years 🥹

[long bloom]

i find it endlessly funny that it was indirectly leaked last year in the vcmm server and nobody noticed

[split mortar]

Siffrin would agree

[young socket]

we should delete siffrin from the universe

[dusk laurel]

true

wait have we even finished updating the doc with the new information yet 😭

[long bloom]

when moonlord theme name was revealed to be "from the crack in the sky" koolaid said noxus's theme would complete the sentence

[dusk laurel]

i got demotivated because of the illness and havent checked

[split mortar]

||a siffrin tried this||

[split mortar]

Ive been playing calamity
Idk the info yet

[limpid saddle]

hypothetical noxus track for the potential noxus fight in the percievable future

[pulsar ocean]

I have not been playing calamity idk what ml’s bestiary says

[limpid saddle]

i have been but i've just been getting obliterated by Death Mode Plaguebringer

& the reintroduction of Malice Mode makes me feel as though I have unintentionally seated myself upon the proverbial cuck chair in attempting to beat Calamity's hardest 'intended' difficulty that isnt a shitpost like GFB

cause like, now it's there, & it's harder, & theres a 70% chance of actual game design being involved & not whatever the fuck fabsol was doing

[wanton pendant]

It revealed that Moon Lord actually helped Noxus get through its drinking problems, and the dragons were trying to get him to relapse.

Why?
Simple, the dragons had a monopoly on the alcohol industry.

[pulsar ocean]

More proof for the anti dragon agenda?

[limpid saddle]

does this mean the oc who shall not be named had affiliations with the dragons

[wanton pendant]

That was their dealer.

[limpid saddle]

Where WAS Zeratros 3 weeks before the assault of Fovos?

The dragon flight logs hold the answer

[raven brook]

Oh no don't worry malice is still basically a shitpost

[dusk laurel]

malice is just legendary stat scaling with death mode attacks and some funny bs put ontop of it

[plucky juniper]

The cosmic behemoth that brought Terraria to its knees 800 years ago, freed from its lunar prison in a weakened state. It had the power to siphon and dominate souls, including those possessed by dragons, permanently wounding them. It hails from an incomprehensible fissure of broken spacetime which leeches energy from our dimension to sustain itself.

[wanton pendant]

Misinformation, it doesn't even mention draconic beer.

It's like normal beer, but like, woke or something.

[pulsar ocean]

what if noxus is eating god essence just to keep his poor little dimension alive

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord was only trying to provide for its 8,000,000 children.

[plucky juniper]

jeez rebecca was fucking pissed yesterday over bestiary release

[long bloom]

@spare pier you forgot to change wandering eye bestiary even though it's the same as demon eye

[limpid saddle]

Pissed seems like an exaggeration

[spare pier]

Oh

[pulsar ocean]

why

[plucky juniper]

h

[wanton pendant]

Man, I wonder where I could find useful links.

[woeful karma]

actually massive vanilla lore revelations going on rn

[plucky juniper]

anyhow i see what she meant by that because this eye of cthluhu bestiary entry feels like they forgot to check if it linguistically made sense

like

It was given the title of "Cthulhu", which means "Great Beast" in the language of dragons.
which is weird given the thing is called "Eye of Cthulhu"

[long bloom]

cthulhu is part of the title

[agile matrix]

i think Eye Cthulhu would make more sense than adding an "of"

Eye Great Beast = Great Eye Beast

[plucky juniper]

Ya

[long bloom]

it can work the other way around

[agile matrix]

i think its romanization since Eye Cthulhu looks weird

Cthulhu Eye = Great Beast Eye

[long bloom]

for example, in maori mata means spirit and nui means great
and in bionicle the great spirit is mata nui

which would technically be spirit great

but it's not

[agile matrix]

i mean the merchant literally calls them Cthulhu's Eye, which would be Great Beast's Eye

[plucky juniper]

it makes more sense if, say, there was a Great Beast in the past that got that dragon language name, and then history turns that name in dragon language, "Cthulhu", into just a name for the Moon Lord

[agile matrix]

(if directly translated)

[plucky juniper]

like its not that hard, just say "The dragons called the Moon Lord Cthulhu, and then as the ages went by people forgot that the word was supposed to just be a general term for 'great beast' and just used it solely for the Moon Lord."

[long bloom]

that would cause unnecessary confusion i think

[plucky juniper]

it works even better knowing what the eyeballs that fly off Moon Lord are called

[wanton pendant]

Maybe Cthulhu could mean 'The Great Beast'.

So it means Eye of The Great Beast.

[plucky juniper]

it makes more sense in my mind

[long bloom]

goog idea

[plucky juniper]

i bet he still had those back in his war to eat the souls of dragons, so maybe those eyeballs got conflated with a later set of floating monster eyes

[wanton pendant]

When your fellow cavemen has an idea:

[plucky juniper]

but yeah ive previously hated how this was phrased before because the writing initially just said that "Cthulhu means great beast" was a general thing, not a term used in the language of the Auric Dragons
which well is just weird because no other "unique phrases to the world of calamity" existed

now, im a lot more fine with it now

[leaden fern]

spoiler alert

yharon dies

but lives

but dies again

[long bloom]

🤯

[plucky juniper]

🤯

[leaden fern]

and yharim kidnaps Scal🚱

so they can use them

[wanton pendant]

Less kidnap and more tactical adoption.

[leaden fern]

ye

draedon makes stuff

draedon also makes cool stuff

draedon also makes warm stuff

[plucky juniper]

yknow anyhow ive always found it odd that DoG has an absurdly huge ego, one so massive that literally everyone (aside from Draedon, a guy who doesnt know what feelings are) dislikes him for this
and then also apparently is loyal to Noxus

notably, the new lore written shows that DoG even targeted the Storm Weaver due to it somehow becoming freed from the Distortion's control

[leaden fern]

its a big gigantic space worm that eats higher beings... and its pretty old and its got nothing to do other than feed up on random silly guys

Pretty boring life tbh

[plucky juniper]

but it is also noted that Yharim believed how odd this was given that Weaver didn't seem like an existential threat to leave alive despite what DoG was saying

[leaden fern]

weaver is just a house cat while DoG is the mf who tought that cat to scratch, demand, yearn and swear.

[plucky juniper]

so heres my headcanon

DoG is so egotistical, he actually envies the Storm Weaver's freedom from the hivemind of Noxus. He actually just hates that he ultimately is just another limb of a different entity, and the fact that the Storm Weaver could break free and not him is a pain point for him.

[pulsar ocean]

just make cthulhu ml's cousin which xeroc slimed out

[leaden fern]

so polterghast is literaly providence's pet

[pulsar ocean]

what

[leaden fern]

what

[plucky juniper]

what

[wanton pendant]

My theory is simple:
DoG isn't loyal to Noxus either, but much like with Yharim he's not (that much of) an idiot to attempt to betray them.

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt dog just let status and broiler kill the golden heretic and then swoop them into the distortion

[wanton pendant]

Because chances are, he was next on their agenda.

And without Yharim occupying them, they'd easily kill him.

[pulsar ocean]

i doubt they'd react fast enough right after killing yharim

[wanton pendant]

Better safe than sorry.

[leaden fern]

I imagine entering a weird rift dimention with some kind of static in the background in which you would find yharim.

I don't know why

It would be a cool place to find them in at least

[wanton pendant]

I recall it being more autumnal.

No, wait, it was twilight.

[plucky juniper]

that makes sense as well

[wanton pendant]

I might have imagined the autumnal part.

[leaden fern]

its like avatar of emptiness or nameless diety

[wanton pendant]

But it feels fitting.

[leaden fern]

it might look cool but

it would be taken way too far

might take a while for the update in which yharim might show up

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, like, I don't know, eight years?

[leaden fern]

maybe less

imagine if they dicide to make a separate game from terraria ;-;

[dusk laurel]

[leaden fern]

like vintage story or smth

it was a minecraft mod that turned into a game

i think

[wanton pendant]

Ah, every so often someone reinvents Hytale.

[woeful karma]

the word was learned by the general populace due to fovos' attack, then eventually genericized as some sort of folklore figure presumably

its like calling something "eye of satan"

the word meant something originally but now its just a name

[plucky juniper]

that makes more sense

but the bestiary entry doesnt really convey that idea

[woeful karma]

like how gabriel is a name that means something but no one questions when the literal translation from ancient hebrew doesnt make grammatical sense when put into a sentence

[pulsar ocean]

i hope world war 3 wont start before that

[plucky juniper]

knowing from rebecca that the bestiary entries kinda just got added despite the writers asking to hold it back for rewriting, it feels more likely that this is just a poorly written entry that should've been rewritten to convey the idea better

[dusk laurel]

(rebecca wasnt the one who said that it was terezi and laura)

[plucky juniper]

fuck i forgot

[scenic olive]

Noxus is actually eldritch being, distortion is his stomach and DoG is his tapeworm

[agile matrix]

im honestly shocked Draedon hasn't made more gear based around the sheer force yharim uses for combat

imagine gauss gauntlets that allow you to hit with the force of a dragon

thatd be Awesome

[dusk laurel]

funny you say that because gauss tech was main mainly used for mining and not warfare

[agile matrix]

thats a missed opportunity

trench shovel of the future: dig a whole trench with one punch, and goopify a legion with another

[dusk laurel]

i mean you can see it in action with the burrower

but its notlike it was ONLY for mining draedon eventually got to developing weapons out of it

[agile matrix]

whats the one magnetize launcher

the railcannon, t3 i think

wait why is Augur a GSS thats a LSR

other than its magnetism ability

[dusk laurel]

it was changed

aerial tracker is the laser of that tier now

[agile matrix]

ooooh. is there only one of each type per tier

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[agile matrix]

wise

also i noticed: did they gore charge???

whats the point of the charging station now

[wanton pendant]

It's for your phone.

[pulsar ocean]

It’s useless and I’m glad

[agile matrix]

i mean me too but like lmao

im used to grabbing two when i raid a lab

[dusk laurel]

but to paraphrase what the 5 energy types were made for
laser is the main energy type in the arsenal weapons that draedon and later his other scientists invented and produced for yharim
plasma is used in highly experimental weaponry
tesla was for any policing forces in areas that yharim controlled
gauss was originally for mining purposes but was adapted to be also used in the army
pulse is shit that specifically only draedon designed (the original pulse rifle design is literally his personal gun 😭)

[agile matrix]

i love how like. precious he considers the A-PLS

that is his gun. if the exos didnt exist that'd be his magnum opus

[latent flower]

the apples

🍎

[leaden fern]

good apple

what if...

the opposite

[feral skiff]

good apples only grow on the good tree

[pulsar ocean]

Neutral apples

[light linden]

iirc goozma can do that

[normal mantle]

I feel like yharim was never locked in

Like his goal was righteous but literally nothing he did was 😭 for majority of the crusades

[split mortar]

I mean his goal wasnt really righteous either genocide isnt good no matter what

Not all gods deserved it

[leaden fern]

bad apple

[wanton pendant]

He was locked in.
Locked in on genocide.

[split mortar]

Agnus, tyrian, otonilou and silva did not deserve becoming goop

[split mortar]

Also that yeah

[normal mantle]

They have names?

Other than Silva I didn’t know

[split mortar]

Yharim was locked in thats how he got so stupidly strong but yeah locked in on being evil

[split mortar]

Agnus is the god that turned into ravager, otonilou and tryian are the two gods who inhabited ilmeris

[normal mantle]

I mean it made a bit of sense given what the gods did to him and the fact literally every god is a murderer in some way but yeah not all of them had to go

[wanton pendant]

He manipulated a 16 year old into commiting war crimes.

[split mortar]

Not all gods were in the cult that did that

[normal mantle]

Lwk what WERE some of the bosses we fight

[split mortar]

Grooming a minor into nuking italy is not a good idea

[normal mantle]

Like what are the crimson and corruption gods

[wanton pendant]

Eye of Cthulhu is like, a big eyeball.

[wanton pendant]

Dogma and War plus friends.

[split mortar]

God of war mainly made up the perfs specifically and god if dogma made up hivemind specificslly

[normal mantle]

I like to think that the corruption is smth like a god of the mind

[split mortar]

And the other gods were generally bad gods™

[normal mantle]

What was the hallow tho

[split mortar]

Crimson and corruption snd hallowed are multiple gods

[split mortar]

Generally good gods

[normal mantle]

Oh so like all of the biomes are multiple gods?

Yikes

[split mortar]

No explocit ones afaik unless one was namedropped in new vanilla bestiary

[split mortar]

Dozens or hundreds

[normal mantle]

You’d think yharim would learn to not stuff a bunch of corpses in the same place

[split mortar]

He did

[wanton pendant]

Dogma and other likeminded beings.

[split mortar]

Thats what wof is

[split mortar]

We broke that

And then the 99% that was contained got unlesshed

[wanton pendant]

The evil biomes are to some degree tactical.
Makes for some good propaganda.

[split mortar]

Also that yeah

Really fucking convenient the hallowed is fully contained while crimson and corruption arent

[limpid saddle]

admittedly it wasnt really a mass grave scenario so much as 'alot of people died on the same battlefield' scenario

[split mortar]

Kills ggg

[normal mantle]

The most peaceful and magical biome that didn’t really do any harm

😭

The wildlife could probably have even been tamed

[limpid saddle]

at least you can put that to their central components being the LITERAL first Gods he murdered

[normal mantle]

But no 😭

[split mortar]

Well yeah thats bad propaganda right? Gods making fantasy sparkle land is much nicer then gore rot hellscape

[wanton pendant]

If your enemies literally have rainbows for internal organs people are going to wonder why you insist on killing them.

[normal mantle]

Yharim reminds me of a certain guy

[split mortar]

Hitler?

[normal mantle]

Just with a decent magnitude more depth

[normal mantle]

Yeah ✌️

[split mortar]

Daily hitler mention in lore chat done

[wanton pendant]

And it's only been four minutes.

That's gotta be a new record.

[split mortar]

Speedrun

Anyways gtg sleep

[pulsar ocean]

4 hours for me

[normal mantle]

It’s 5 pm over here 😭

[wanton pendant]

Well, you're a nerd.

[leaden fern]

yharim played too much league of legends

[normal mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/associated-benjammins-connected-connection-correlated-gif-4897775070740627888

Fuck

[leaden fern]

no swearing

here, ima do that too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/889679086362976318/907065078115876874/1c708022-7898-4121-9968-0f0d24b8f986.gif

[craggy sparrow]

Yharim mentioned

[icy veldt]

If Calamitas got recruited by Providence (somehow) instead of joining Yharim, she would be Vulgaritas, but only because Profanitas would be too obvious

[feral skiff]

what if calamitas was independent and didnt get recruited by anyone

[split mortar]

She dies to casting her own magic and being in the blast radius idk

[wanton pendant]

She now has to live on the streets.

Which makes her street tier or something.

[icy veldt]

And when I say "somehow", I mean that Harry Turtledove gets isekai'd into Calamity and writes an alternate history series about the theocratic imperium of God-King Yharim, except it's just a one-to-one retelling of the actual Crusade with the sides switched around, and part of it includes a Profaned Calamitas

[long bloom]

how loreful

[feral skiff]

what if Xeroc just killed Yharim and the crusade would have never happened

like there'd be nothing stopping him from doing that

[wanton pendant]

I think you'll find that Americanos prefer the term 'Wizard of Oz'd'.

[wanton pendant]

Murder is illegal.

[icy veldt]

Americānī, you mean, since Americānōs is the accusative plural, not the nominative plural

[wanton pendant]

Tell that to them.

[dusk laurel]

oh right the lihzahrd god being related to the sun theory can be disproven now because golem's bestiary says that it was made like that because the lihzahrds missed being able to see the sun, which probably would explain the other sun-related things in the temple 😭

[light linden]

y'know

considering that there was a dragon of night

there might've been a dragon of day that wasn't zeratros?

[icy veldt]

Dragon of breakfast

[dusk laurel]

and if yharim is correct abt the whole amalgamation of god concepts thing then the "heat of the sun" thing could just be them using what knowledge they have of the first god (which we know is xeroc)

the bestiary also words their god as a goddess and theres really only one candidate that we know of that wouldve had alot of connections with the jungle and that would be silva

[bold aurora]

ok i just beat exo mechs and draedon said something about fighting a tyrant, i assume that will be the boss like after him in an update? who is it?

[dusk laurel]

its also pretty clear that the speaker in blossom flux's tooltip is silva since she talks about the vernal pass making a guardian "in her image" and she mentions that if plantera continues destroying the place her champion (braelor) wont have his home anymore, and we know hes probably from there based on some things like the contest critter which is his pet that would be found there

[dusk laurel]

yharim, who is fought after you beat the exos and scal

he will be added in the far future after everything else in the mod has been updated and reworked/added to bring it up to modern standards

[feral skiff]

yharim was the one speaking to you in those messages

like the "Awakening" one and the messages that drop after killing bosses

of course he's not actually fully in the game yet, but eventually he will

[bold aurora]

like years?

[dusk laurel]

yeah

hes not a priority

[bold aurora]

sad

[dusk laurel]

the devs want to work on things to update the mod's old content and add things to fill in gaps before him

[reef wigeon]

I just thought about a possible Xeroc Attack
In which he shoots a PL beam from the sun

[dusk laurel]

his update doesnt really contribute much in the grand scheme of things since it only would really add his boss fight, the conclusion to the main narrative, and probably the dragon's aerie

so like yeah its important for the story but theres way more things that arent yharim that need attention

in both the gameplay and lore

[feral skiff]

if you wanna fight against "xeroc" play Wrath of the Gods

[dusk laurel]

what

[reef wigeon]

Um yeahhh I already defeated Nameless Deity

I just thought that

[feral skiff]

actually i think i just said the stupidest thing ever

please disregard

[reef wigeon]

Um, I'll do that (?

But well, just one situation like this

[dusk laurel]

oh yeah this means that the vernal pass and the lihzahrds definitely had some ties besides living in the same area and being located pretty close to one another (i mean the connection wasnt that much of a stretch before but nows theres actual proof instead of just "the vernal pass is always above the jungle temple maybe this means something"

[leaden fern]

the nameless diety of light is one of the first primordial strongest higher beings amongst gods that posses supreme auric souls... (Or smth like that :p )

[raven brook]

whar

[dusk laurel]

uhm

[reef wigeon]

Nameless Deity is simply... God in the Calamity Mod WoTG lore

[leaden fern]

yeh

but not xeroc

[reef wigeon]

I know

[raven brook]

yeah and it dosent have anything to do with auric souls or anything

wotg isnt even related to calamity lore

[reef wigeon]

I wasn't the one who assumed that

[leaden fern]

then why teh heck is hunt of the old god doing with the lore?!!?!?

[raven brook]

what

[leaden fern]

agreed, its DLC content

[raven brook]

what

[leaden fern]

what

[reef wigeon]

what

[dusk laurel]

this eludes me

[raven brook]

incomprehensible

[leaden fern]

im refering to how most DLC content is not cannon

[reef wigeon]

This is bizarre

[raven brook]

it's not dlc

it's an fanmade addon

and its like

[reef wigeon]

It's like an Adventure...

[raven brook]

not even gonna be an addon anymore

[leaden fern]

DLC to calamity the

🇳

[raven brook]

no it literally isnt

[reef wigeon]

Just an add-on

[leaden fern]

hmmmmmmmmmm are you sure

[icy veldt]

Calamity 2

[raven brook]

its literally just not dlc by definition

its fanmade

[leaden fern]

;-;

[icy veldt]

Calamity 2: Chaos Rising
Calamity 2: Retribution

[raven brook]

and as i was saying it's

not even gonna be a calamity addon anymore, as wotg is going to be reworked into a fully separate mod with no ties to calamity

[leaden fern]

calamity 3 : aftermath

[reef wigeon]

And the supreme Auric soul is not canon even in the WoTG lore, the same goes for the Avatar of Emptiness one

[leaden fern]

hmmmmm right, its something from hunt of the old got then i think

I might Dm you an image related to this matter

[reef wigeon]

Anyway, in Hunt of the Old God, the boss Goozma has an Auric soul because he absorbed a part of the world soul somehow or something like that

[leaden fern]

yeah

say a random slime absorbed an auric soul xd

could have happened

-# probably not tbh

[reef wigeon]

So, he's not really a god. He's just a slime with an Auric soul

[raven brook]

It coudln't because you need to perform a ritual to do it

In order to ascend, i mean

So you need to be sapient

Slimes are notably not sapient

arguably not even sentient

[leaden fern]

that sounds weird

[reef wigeon]

He did not ascend. He has an Auric soul, not a god one

Well, whatever their genre is

[raven brook]

Auric souls also are the product of a soul being merged with a world soul shar dso

Like hotog lore just dosen't really work with calamity canon

Not that i think it was really trying to anyways

[reef wigeon]

From what I know Goozma simply evolved so much that it absorbed a part of the world's soul or something...

[dusk laurel]

that wouldnt make sense

since afawk all of the world soul's fragments were used up

iirc the lore is that it somehow created a new auric soul, not that it absorbed a fragment of the world soul

[raven brook]

Yeah it's

not rly trying to make sense

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[reef wigeon]

My only headcanon right now is that so many slimes together formed a new Auric Soul??? Yeah it's not meant to make sense, but I tend to draw conclusions even when it's unnecessary

[normal mantle]

I’m pretty sure that’s the transformation from the dude consuming the auric soul of gluttony

And slimes pretty much don’t do anything but absorb stuff and burn easily it makes sense

[cosmic zenith]

Wasn't it that the combination of all slimes "forged" a new Auric soul?

Which is a reasonable idea I must add

[normal mantle]

I wasn’t paying attention but this doesn’t sound like it’s abt the slime god

[cosmic zenith]

It's about Goozma

[light linden]

hi stip

[cosmic zenith]

Hi

[normal mantle]

Who the hell is goozma 😭

[cosmic zenith]

My fellow Freak Sigmatra, I could make the funny joke but I'm feeling generous today

It's a boss added by the Hunt of the Old God addon

https://tenor.com/view/goozma-calamity-terraria-modded-hunt-of-the-old-god-gif-2570459722325149355

[zenith geode]

also ancient lore thing thaty got ship of theseused into noxus

[light linden]

they're effectively every slime compressed into one being

also have their own auric soul with powers that are

well the exact specifics are unknown

it's soul is chromatic which doesn't explain a hell of a lot

[latent flower]

wow it's so pretyy :o

[light linden]

my best guess is that it's what lets goozma split so frequently

[latent flower]

chromatic soul 🧐

[light linden]

but outside of that not much is known

[light linden]

well that's if its domain is actually chromatic

personally I think it's fusion

[leaden fern]

https://tenor.com/view/goozma-calamity-terraria-modded-hunt-of-the-old-god-gif-2570459722325149355

hold on...

i have that gif

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/carebear-carebears-cute-care-bare-stare-gif-18074062810507350331

[vale osprey]

How easy is it to learn lore of mod

[light linden]

since it fits its theme of fusing to become one, the radiation it creates, and explains where the hell the lasers come from

[reef wigeon]

Its Auric soul is the chromatic soul, isn't it?

[light linden]

yes

[agile matrix]

if i recall correctly, its powers source from basically every slime having an utterly minute amount of auric energy, but when condensed into a single being it does work

[leaden bridge]

Yeah

We mean it makes sense the world soul works like that

[cosmic zenith]

Like everything, it depends on how deeply you wanna dive into it

At a surface level, it's pretty easy to learn

[leaden bridge]

we mean at a deep level it also is? You read a thing and remember it later

[real silo]

The deep

[cosmic zenith]

Fair enough

I just think the lore is in a state where its depth is hard to approach

[leaden bridge]

It's like you do not have to like precisely use your brain to learn the lore of anything

Well ofc you'd have to spend some time reading this channel

[cosmic zenith]

Ingame :p

As much as we talk forever here, ultimately, what's ingame is what's canon
It's unfortunate it came to this state where there's a lot of stuff that was discussed but isn't ingame yet

[leaden bridge]

🐡

[cosmic zenith]

Wdym?

[leaden bridge]

nothing this was just in our recent emojis for some reason but since it's a blowfish you could extrapolate something about ballooning

[cosmic zenith]

I see

[vale osprey]

I watched a 40 minute video about the basics

I realize how unfinished this mod is

[cosmic zenith]

Yep

Unlike Terraria that is essentially stalling its end, Calamity is very much a work in progress

[agile matrix]

Terraria's Beginning of the End was 1.4 i believe

the End of the End isn't seeming to come around soon

[sinful adder]

The terraria devs should finish terraria and start a new game

Maybe buy the rights to Starbound and make a sequel

Or a reimagining I guess would be better

Then they could rub it in tiy's face

[agile matrix]

Terraria 2: Hytale Edition

[sinful adder]

Starbound and Hytale are pretty similar

[agile matrix]

i mean

hytale is a very well made game

starbound i do not know enough abt it other than "Game Bad"

[sinful adder]

Imagine if Hytale had the worst possible development from this point forward and had the team and plan change like 10 times

[agile matrix]

idk SImon Hypixel managed to keep Hypixel Skyblock at the peak of most minecrafters minds

[nova oar]

Calamitas vs. Exo Mechs, who wins?

[eager bluff]

with arena taken into account calamitas

but if no arena i think exos win

[agile matrix]

does Draedon get prep time

or is it the exos we have currently

[nova oar]

current exos

[agile matrix]

hmm

[nova oar]

I shudder to think what Draedon will make in a few years' time.

[agile matrix]

no i mean like

you go up to draedon and you go up to calamitas and say "hey both of yall are gonna fight in like [x amount of time]. good luck"

[nova oar]

uhh

[agile matrix]

if draedon gets prep time they probably win

if its base exos calamitas probably melts them

[nova oar]

Probably bc Idk what prep Cal would even think to come up with.

[eager bluff]

doubt it

[nova oar]

It's like Batman with prep time; even if he'd normally lose, he's a genius who always manages to think of something.

[agile matrix]

this is a very creative guy; he probably can figure out how to make heat resistant and redirective panelling in 6 months

[eager bluff]

god i hate the batman with prep time argument

[nova oar]

Yeah Draedon with prep time probably wins.

[agile matrix]

dude he'd win though

batman would win against the devil with prep time

[nova oar]

Batman beats Xeroc with prep time

[agile matrix]

batman solos yharim with a strategy he learned from tibetian monks

[eager bluff]

its not prep time that makes him so good its his ability to improvise that makes him so good

[leaden bridge]

Some kind of calamity

[agile matrix]

well yeah but prep time is the great mans improvising

[nova oar]

ok ykw you aren't even wrong

either that or his inventions

bc doesn't he have to create specific weapons and armor to be able to swing with the big boys?

[agile matrix]

or his tibetian monk techniques

[eager bluff]

thats not improvising thats preplanning

[light linden]

what's going on here?

[agile matrix]

who'd win: draedon or calamitas

i argue that draedon wins with prep time, and batman got brought up

[nova oar]

I asked if Calamitas or Exos would win

[leaden bridge]

draedon could make a calamitas killed if u give him time

[nova oar]

yeah exactly

[simple tangle]

i think exos get nuked

[eager bluff]

batman is really good at making up a new strategy on the fly if his plans dont work (which fairly often they dont)

[nova oar]

But ok, the exact Exos we fight vs. Calamitas

[agile matrix]

the exact exos i dont think have exceptional heal resistance

[leaden bridge]

Calamitas

[agile matrix]

heat*

[light linden]

not quite

[leaden bridge]

She's just more versatile by nature of person

[agile matrix]

plus they primarily work on short bursts rather than focus fire

[eager bluff]

the exos we fight get rolled

[simple tangle]

i think any robots draedon sends against cal get nuked out of orbit

[light linden]

they're literally burning alive mid fight

[nova oar]

Gotcha

[agile matrix]

man i cant wait for exos rework to make them like

[nova oar]

makes me wonder how we survive fighting her

[simple tangle]

but couldnt draedon try nuking her?

[agile matrix]

spaz out and go Nuts

[nova oar]

auric tesla armor must be no joke

[leaden bridge]

With how capable exos are he definitely could make a calamitaskiller machine

[agile matrix]

she has very good magical shielding

[agile matrix]

aka a Very strong pointed LSR tool

[leaden bridge]

we don't think a fucking nuke loses against that

[agile matrix]

A-LSR when that gets added

[nova oar]

Apollo's flames are stated to burn as hot as Calamitas's

But her's are also magic

[agile matrix]

i dont think fire is a good counter to the Fire Lady

[nova oar]

And connected to the Brimstone Elemental

[agile matrix]

throwing water at Anahita and winning

[nova oar]

true

[leaden bridge]

You can do this

[agile matrix]

throwing boulders at earth ele- no that works bc earth elemental is a joke

[vale osprey]

You can also drink water underwater to prevent dying from water

[nova oar]

Speaking of Calamitas and Draedon, there's an ominous line in one of his logs about how he would like to see the Brimstone Elemental wake up because the results would be interesting. Doesn't prove anything, but it makes you wonder...

[agile matrix]

cant we like

do that

summon exos in azafure, then use the Charred Idol

voila

[nova oar]

I wasn't talking about Brimmy vs Exos

[agile matrix]

no i know

we show Draedon the Brismtone Elemental

[nova oar]

Oh

[agile matrix]

bc he's watching us directly during the fight

[nova oar]

I'm sure he already had a lot of data on when she first woke up

+isn't she hella weakened?

[agile matrix]

probably

[nova oar]

I wonder if we'll ever get an explanation behind how Calamitas got her power.

[agile matrix]

mitichlorians

[vale osprey]

Oh yea there’s no explanation for that

[nova oar]

she was just a random girl in azafure when brimmy woke up and BAM! had all of brimmy's power for some fucking reason

[vale osprey]

• some

[agile matrix]

personal headcanon: before The Azafure Thing, calamitas was taught how to fire light weaponry like crossbows by her brothers, since they thought it a bad idea to have her in the frontline

"light" weaponry. like not Swords

[cosmic zenith]

Me omw to make a calamitas killed

[light linden]

stip

[cosmic zenith]

?

[nova oar]

oh yeah, how bad of a place to live was Azafure that both of her brothers had to take up violent work just to keep the lights on?

[light linden]

pick a number 1-5

[cosmic zenith]

4

[cosmic zenith]

Capitalism

[agile matrix]

i mean was this directly implied or

[vale osprey]

I imagine it like the undercity in arcane

[agile matrix]

i always thought they just did that because there were some people who needed people dead

[nova oar]

ome of 'em's a confirmed mercenary

[agile matrix]

i mean yeah but like

[nova oar]

other's a boxer iirc

[agile matrix]

you don't exactly need crime to have mercs: mercs can be paid to introduce crime

also i thought they were both mercs in some way

[nova oar]

CIA ass activities

[agile matrix]

yeah basically

[nova oar]

my headcanon is that Cal or someone else happened to know some goofy power siphoning spell and used it on Brimmy and the fight ended by her literally stealing Brimmy's power

[nova oar]

cuz nothing else makes sense to me

[sinful adder]

No like imagine if Simon was fabsol

Starbound is like that

[agile matrix]

lmao??

[agile matrix]

this does kinda provide help to my headcanon of "Calamitas is trained lightly in ranged weaponry"

[nova oar]

I mean, she had to have been trained in SOMETHING

[agile matrix]

someones breaking in! the little girl with a glock-19:

[nova oar]

you don't have brothers like that and not know how to throw hands or use some kind of weapon

[vale osprey]

So does calamitas resurrect her brothers or are they like puppets

[nova oar]

also, Azafure was under Yharim's rule

[nova oar]

Necromancy, but botched necromancy, as all necromancy is.

[nova oar]

so if Yharim's regime was so ass for some of its citizens that a mf had to be a killer for hire to feed his family, then... fuck Yharim

[eager bluff]

i dont think thats what you needed to learn about to say fuck yharim

[vale osprey]

Yharim is a asshole

[eager bluff]

i believe learning scals age when yharim made her nuke italy would be enough

[nova oar]

yeah, but he couldn't even be good to his own people at the very least

[agile matrix]

wasnt she like 12

[eager bluff]

she was like 16

[simple tangle]

yeah

[eager bluff]

scal was his own people

one of the few people that could directly be called yharims people

[nova oar]

"I hate slavery"

"now let me tell you about my personal teenage nuclear bomb"

[simple tangle]

was yharim even the ruler of azafure? i thought it was just an alliance

[vale osprey]

Yharim try not to put a child to war against gods challenge

[agile matrix]

"i HATE slavery. bees are AWESOME. instead, i will just KILL people"

[eager bluff]

ruler in all but name basically

[simple tangle]

ah ok
military moment

[nova oar]

"WHAAAAT? That's not slavery, she had a choice! I always give people a choice!"

[long bloom]

source??

[eager bluff]

i made it up

[long bloom]

[simple tangle]

real as fuck

[nova oar]

"WHAAAAAAT??? Children you manipulate don't count as being given a choice?????"

[agile matrix]

i love lying

[eager bluff]

the fact that all the people surrounding him that werent cartoonishly evil left him should tell you enough about how he treated them

[nova oar]

ik people make jokes about yharim and draedon being a divorced couple, but Yharim and Permafrost DEFINITELY had child custody arguments

[simple tangle]

permafrost can excuse genocide but he draws the line at nukes

[vale osprey]

Permafrost not leaving Yharim earlier confuses me

“I don’t like violence but this guy I’m allied with can do tons of violence till he brings out nukes”

[simple tangle]

you would think the infinite torture prison would be too far

[nova oar]

My headcanon is that Yharim's crusade started out as not that bad. Yeah, there's the flaws in the "fighting genocide with genocide" thing, but it seems like many of those gods had it coming. Plus, at the very least, Yharim was enough of a human to personally help with cleanup and recovery efforts after battles at some point.

As for why Permafrost stayed, Yharim put a hit out on him the moment he left. So even seeing the mask slip, Permafrost probably feared the man.

[vale osprey]

I wonder why some gods needed to be killed

Why did Silva die????

[nova oar]

I said "many," not "all."

[eager bluff]

the crusade began at a stage where it could be defended by "well this god was horrible and had to go"

[simple tangle]

maybe he was just glad someone was doing something about the dozens of warlords in the heartlands that he overlooked the other shit he was doing

[nova oar]

Exactly.

Seems like gods like the God of Sacrifices weren't hurting nobody.

[nova oar]

Or was kept in the dark about a lot of stuff.

[simple tangle]

both can be true