lore-discussion

[split mortar]

Yharim had her as a child soldier

[soft flame]

yea

[split mortar]

So im uh
Against the idea of her having had children when working with yharim quite a fuck ton

[heavy zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

Damn

[split mortar]

-# and theres nothing indicating she did have children or that inanis exist, yharim is john godkiller racism as well

[fast aspen]

until what age did calamitas work for yahrim?

[raven brook]

what the hell going on over here

[split mortar]

^

[eager bluff]

around 16 at the latest

after which she cut all ties

and has been living in a cave since

[split mortar]

Horrors

[fast aspen]

You dont need to know...

[soft flame]

lore

[raven brook]

Yeah i scrolled up

[wanton pendant]

Relatable.

[split mortar]

Theres a lore document in the pins with all known info

[woeful karma]

boaring myserlf

[zenith geode]

sending the horrible hog

[fast aspen]

Ozzatron need to hear that theory

[split mortar]

True

[icy veldt]

I think you need to hear The Noise That Makes Your Head Explode

[leaden bridge]

i agree with this

[soft flame]

[plucky juniper]

ozzathoth will judge you now.

[soft flame]

it's really tempting

[woeful karma]

how could you

everythings fine and sane here

[soft flame]

some sins can be forgiven

[wanton pendant]

Jesus:

[spring helm]

Hold on this Inanis theory is cooking

[barren mortar]

no

[spring helm]

Why are you p

[barren mortar]

p

[zenith geode]

pushing 🇵

[plucky juniper]

[barren mortar]

i just kinda chose a letter in a server i joined and now all my friends know me as p

later i decided it was short for something

its something silly

[glacial rampart]

hiii

happy new years

@raven brook do u know about siphinophores

i think thats what they are called

[woeful karma]

oh hiiiiii

[glacial rampart]

👋

[raven brook]

Yeah theyre cool

[pulsar ocean]

whyd they remove it

[plucky juniper]

because its lore for... a blatant reference item

and calamity lore writers dont really like having calamity lore for stuff that is clearly not from terraria and is a reference to something else

[green prairie]

i always assumed that, once its rework happens, Murasama will be resprited/renamed to be something else

[eager bluff]

nah

its staying as murasama

[eager bluff]

its quite a complicated situation where you're writing lore to make something natively from another game with its own lore in said game into something thats canon to your own world

trying to bullshit a reason for something very explicitly from another game or media to be 100% canon to your world just causes problems

and is also effort that doesnt need to be spent on it

[manic coral]

@elder widget pinged in the wrong chat so to bring it here

The sitting height of the recon body you see it, not counting any part of the chair, 12 feet and 4 inches

[barren mortar]

the terrarian gotta be like 9 foot 6

[manic coral]

nope

3 blocks tall almost

aka jsut under 6 feet

[green prairie]

is draedon just fucking huge or are his recon bodies really big?

[barren mortar]

am i just misremembering how tall draedon's sprite is

[eager bluff]

his bodies are just fucking huge

[manic coral]

draedon himself has no size

he's code

the bodies are jsut that big yes

[light linden]

hi cei

[barren mortar]

i mean his first body had to have been something right

[manic coral]

actually full on standing would probably add like 3 or 4 feet to that so

[green prairie]

i wonder where he lives? like where he keeps whatever main master computer that keeps all of his code

[manic coral]

somewhere around 16 feet tall?

[light linden]

been curious about a thing, are computer viruses a thing in calamity?

[manic coral]

at least judging by pixel absed measurements like everything else

really funny to imagine draedon having to make one of his bodies like

[light linden]

normal sized?

[manic coral]

sit on the floor to talk to yharim while maintaining eye contact

[light linden]

that too lmao

[manic coral]

Draedon sitting is 53 pixels tall

[elder widget]

My bad

[manic coral]

4 pixels is a foot so

Divid 53 by 4 to get 13.25

correction

13 feet and 3 inches

not 4

[barren mortar]

yeah i guess i was just forgetting

[long bloom]

is this representative of his actual size

idk where the sprite came from

[manic coral]

neither do i but

[green prairie]

i wonder why draedon gave himself a physique like that? or i assume that his recon bodies are meant to look like whatever his original form was

[manic coral]

i fele like the bottom part of his legs can deifntily extend furhter up than that

[light linden]

been wondering

are the multicolor spots on his chest exo prisms?

[long bloom]

they're at that angle in both reference images

[manic coral]

can, not always do

i'd imagine he can use them to like

adjust his height somewhat

[elder widget]

I see

[manic coral]

probably nessesary given how huge they are

[elder widget]

Another question, are cataclysm and catastrophe size accurate or is that stylization

[long bloom]

would make sense

[manic coral]

They were normal sized when alive

[elder widget]

Fair enough

[manic coral]

their properations have size been IMMENSELY exagurrated

[elder widget]

They’re so stuffed with brimstone magic ouuuugh

[manic coral]

but yeah the perspective the game is in really makes it hard to notice just how BIG some things are

[green prairie]

seeing more draedon stuff is leading me to develop so many headcanons about how the world views him and his work (if they are lucky enough to spot it, at least)

[manic coral]

more like

crouch height

but yes

hold on

Mack drew something about this once

or was it tofu

i think it was tofu

lemme try to find it

[green prairie]

yharim his eyes are up there

[elder widget]

I want you to know this is all for the draedonkisser microcelebrity on x the everything app

[long bloom]

what the fuck is x

[manic coral]

i found it

[elder widget]

Thank you tofu

[manic coral]

the funneist part is that yharim is like 8-9 feet tall

"short"

[green prairie]

has he actually ever done that to Yharim just to see what would happen

[long bloom]

iirc he's exactly 9 feet

at least that's what everyone says

[manic coral]

tbf it won't be solid until we get an in-game sprite

in uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

2198

[long bloom]

put him in a flashback trust

[light linden]

I uh

[manic coral]

also tell that at one of the writers said that they're lucky draedon and yharim already divorced or yharim would kill them

[light linden]

question, how strong is one of draedon's shells?

[sleek halo]

about 3 strong

[manic coral]

good lukc dealing with the baggage of dealing with an ex like mr. auric man

[manic coral]

pretty strong

[long bloom]

we decided earlier he was probably made of titanium right

[manic coral]

like not massive impressive by his stndards but

[sleek halo]

Heartbreak so severe with permafrost he sent bro’s kid to kill him

[manic coral]

strong enough to beat any normal person to death

[light linden]

tbf

[green prairie]

actually why are all of Draedon's recon bodies mildly rusty-looking? does he just like the vibe?

[sleek halo]

insane crashout btw

[manic coral]

i mean why bother repairing them

he cna jsut make new ones

[light linden]

getting punched by something made of metal would cause immense damage tbf

[sleek halo]

ally of almost a century

[long bloom]

he probably hasn't used them in many years

[sleek halo]

leaves

[light linden]

that does make me wonder actually

[sleek halo]

“Yeah fucking kill this guy”

[manic coral]

it's les time-consuming to just make new ones rather than constantly maintain a few

[light linden]

y'all think draedon ever had to attend a social event?

[sleek halo]

Probably a few

[manic coral]

it's also jsut more useful to have like

1000 or so no matter how ass condition they're in

[sleek halo]

I imagine draedon was

[manic coral]

than, like

[green prairie]

probably not much of a reason too anyway! why contact little timmy on unnamed continent #3 who spotted one of your drones in the sky?

[manic coral]

a f ew dozen really good ones

[sleek halo]

REALLY bad at them ngl

[light linden]

I wonder if he had/has a body explicitly for them

[sleek halo]

Like. I don’t think Draedon would

act particularly different

[manic coral]

definitly not

[sleek halo]

he seems like a very blunt fellow

Did I just dream up the fact that there were like. people who had issues with draedon’s dumping

like i swear that’s a thing

[elder widget]

“I mean there is room for one more”

[light linden]

unless he had someone doing the nuanced work idk how he just

wouldn't

[sleek halo]

did this happen lore chat.

[light linden]

with how much material he gets I'd imagine he has had to make some diplomatic relations of some type

[manic coral]

Draedon just walks up to the most lonely looking person at a social gathering and says something like

While I am present at this social gathering, I must inquire: would anybody notice that you were missing if you were taken away to be experimented on?

[long bloom]

he mentioned it in draetalk yes

[sleek halo]

LOL

[light linden]

or hell

[sleek halo]

I just imagine they look up

[manic coral]

Early stage crusade draedon, at least

[sleek halo]

and it’s the smiling amidias image

but draedon

[manic coral]

Later draedon wouldn't ask or do something like that

[light linden]

be allowed to make labs in certain places without some type of group being mad at him

[manic coral]

He'd just find some poor pig to experiment on instead and call it good enough

[sleek halo]

Yeah. just draedon

[long bloom]

[sleek halo]

staring at them like that

it’s his social body

permanently smiling

[sterile oyster]

these numbers will be put to good use

[elder widget]

Hot

[manic coral]

draedon social body is just a normal recon body but with a tuxedo on

[sterile oyster]

i cannot explain to you why

just know

[sleek halo]

annihilation

[light linden]

I was thinking it was one with gold accents

[sleek halo]

fire

[sterile oyster]

does the suit have a holographic tie?

[green prairie]

its not even an actual tuxedo, he just had it spraypainted on

[elder widget]

Beautiful thank you Madame lore writer

[manic coral]

TRUE

[sleek halo]

Honestly I think

[sterile oyster]

actually, is draedon a bowtie or tie tie guy

[sleek halo]

he would. at least imo

obv u fucking write the dude

[long bloom]

bowtie

[sleek halo]

but

[manic coral]

definitly bowtie

[sterile oyster]

bet

[sleek halo]

his interest in how humans act nowadays

i feel like he’d be slightly intrigued

to see how it goes

[green prairie]

"oh wow your tuxedo looks wonderful mister! who's your tailor?"

"Paint and ink."

[light linden]

heh

I wonder if draedon has done any work in

what's the term

[eager bluff]

i like to imagine he just has a comically large sharpie

[elder widget]

I can’t believe I’m sparking this whole conversation because of my yume friend

[light linden]

embroidery?

[elder widget]

She’s very happy rn

Minucat

[manic coral]

He'd still ask that question, and the perosn who asked would be scared for their life for several month, but he wouldn't actually do anything

[tulip swan]

who?

[green prairie]

i wish all calamity yumeshippers a very happy life (i am one too but shhhhh i never mention it)

[manic coral]

Seeing their reaction to it and living in paranoia is the ACTUAL test

[sterile oyster]

[sleek halo]

😭

[sterile oyster]

thanks

[tulip swan]

ty, anything for cataclysm

[sleek halo]

We gotta kill this guy! he’s just so terrible!

I find it so fucking funny

“I could clean up the sulphorous sea, it would be trivially easy, but fuck that. have fun chuds.”

[sterile oyster]

also the conversation that this thread sparked in another server is frying me and i do feel responsible

[manic coral]

i'm still commiting to make draedon and yharim an actual divorced couple in GFB

[tulip swan]

yeah, idk what theyre doing, but its for science

[sleek halo]

Just absolutely does not gaf

[manic coral]

who the fuck is going to stop me? we have stupider shit in GFB

[tulip swan]

im in this, but more of an observer

[manic coral]

[barren mortar]

The Ogscule

[sterile oyster]

will there be any in universe items or anything that directly prove this?

[raven brook]

hi lore chat what are we talking about

its me cheese calamity

[green prairie]

PLEASE do its so funny

[sleek halo]

draedon.

[green prairie]

The Divorce

[raven brook]

which one

yharim and draedon or xeroc and silva

[green prairie]

(and also Draedon's potentially strange social habits)

[sleek halo]

Xeroc Silva divorce

[raven brook]

ok it's yharim and draedon

[sleek halo]

Jared is a momma’s boy

fucking hates his dad. stupid chud dad

[green prairie]

i choose to think Xeroc and Silva's divorce was a lot less bitter than Yharim and Draedon's was

[sleek halo]

Xeroc is an abusive parent. bro killed his uncle

[long bloom]

put it in the normal game coward

[manic coral]

i have a good amount of plans for GFB but no time to do them... yet

i think after calamitas and permafrost dialogue stuff

im going to tke a breka and reward myself with

[raven brook]

maybe his uncle shouldn't have been so killable

[manic coral]

making some GFB shit

[raven brook]

🙄

[sleek halo]

true

[raven brook]

i am not aware of the permafrost gfb dialogue but i am aware of the calamitas gfb dialogue

[manic coral]

i have gotten SO many ideas while writing this stuff

[sleek halo]

just don’t fight horrors beyond ur knowledge

[raven brook]

the mammoths

the mammoths, cei

[sleek halo]

it’s literally that easy

[raven brook]

i remember them

[sleek halo]

zeratros on life support

“hellpp. pleaseeee”

the humble xeroc:

[long bloom]

mega mammoth dragon

[sleek halo]

mega HELL dragon. because that design hurts my soul

[raven brook]

i mean the scrapped design was pretty cool

one of them

theres alot of scrapped mmd designsx

[sleek halo]

i’m talking about the sprite

like

[raven brook]

one of those designs was pretty cool

[sleek halo]

the sprite

[raven brook]

the blue one

theres also multiple sprites aster

theres alot . of scrapped things for mmd

[sleek halo]

yeah but

the sprite

the evil one

tbat is just a blob

[raven brook]

thats also multiple that fit that description

[sleek halo]

yeah

[raven brook]

😭

[long bloom]

ziggums..

[manic coral]

i did actually have an idea for GFB

Auric Dragon of Mega Mammoth

yes

[sleek halo]

can u also make xeroc silva divorce real

in gfb

[manic coral]

his domain is Mega Mammoth

[raven brook]

will that be gfb yharon

[sleek halo]

there is only two auric dragons alive

[manic coral]

nobody knows what the fuck that means

[raven brook]

😭

[sleek halo]

yharon. the bum

[manic coral]

or what a mammoth is

[long bloom]

gfb yharon will be green yharon from the fandom wiki

[sleek halo]

and the dragon of Mega Mammoth

[raven brook]

he's the source of the Mammoths

what was it

was it tuesday

[light linden]

looks like astral infection

[raven brook]

or wednseday

i dont remember

the wednesday mammoths

[sleek halo]

i think this should just be a png of a mammoth

[manic coral]

yes you see the vision

[sleek halo]

and all his attacks r mini pngs

of mammoths

[long bloom]

but fake pngs without transparency

[green prairie]

speaking of Draedon, here's a silly headcanon i've been workshopping in my head for the last 5 minutes or so (ik im late typing this out and we're talking about the silly mammoth dragon but shush)

Fantasy literature isn't too popular among Terraria, considering its basically nonfiction in this world. Sci-fi, however, is! A common trend in sci-fi stories among any continent that isn't the Heartlands is that of fantastical, sometimes even divine machines. Many stories contain a character who built these mighty machines, said to be inspired by old whispers of a real engineer who could create such wonders... but that's all just old bedtime stories, right?

[long bloom]

what

[raven brook]

shoutout to the first mmd design

thats like

[sleek halo]

jfc

[raven brook]

ok discord lagged

[long bloom]

i do not understand what ur trying to say

[raven brook]

anyways thats literally just a mammoth

[eager bluff]

draedon is rumplestiltskin

[raven brook]

like its a literal Mammoth Dragon

[manic coral]

Mega Mammoth Dragon is just

[long bloom]

😭

[manic coral]

such a funny name

[long bloom]

who

[sleek halo]

i think this is a good idea

[raven brook]

it is

[sleek halo]

and should be implemented

[raven brook]

its like

Mega Dragon, Mega Mammoth and Mammoth Dragon

are all already wonderful combination of words by themselves

[green prairie]

just a thought i had about completely unrelated stuff to actual Cal story! i like thinking about how other people not from the Heartlands view all of this Draedon stuff so i say they think of him as just a silly myth :3

[long bloom]

oh i see

[raven brook]

but then you make ALL THREE OF THEM into a single combination

[long bloom]

i think

[raven brook]

and its like

its truly fantasti c

[long bloom]

again that say

[manic coral]

see on a first imrpession you mmight think "so it's like a mammoth???" and then you think

"no wait it's comaparing its size to a mammoth or something"

and then you see it and realize

[sleek halo]

me when im a MEGA mammoth

dragon.

[manic coral]

"no wait it's actually a fucking mammoth"

"what the fuck

[raven brook]

and its also mega

don't forget that

[sleek halo]

it’s just so mega

[long bloom]

and dragon

[sleek halo]

it should have 1 draconic feature

two really tiny wings

[long bloom]

fire breath

obviously

[sleek halo]

that absolutely CANNOT carry it whatsoever

[raven brook]

Draedon is a pretty commonly known public figure in-universe afaik, considering that he was part of Yharim's army nad the fact he massively progressed technology worldwide

[sleek halo]

but it flies rebardless

[green prairie]

what was the old mega mammoth dragon lore? wasn't it just a big dragon that ate other dragons?

[manic coral]

what combinations of drugs was fba on when he created the mega mammoth dragon as a concept

[raven brook]

Draedon himself might not be directly well known

But the general idea of Yharim's Engineer is

afaik, anyways

[long bloom]

idk it's part of ancient lore

[eager bluff]

im pretty sure its older than the lore

[manic coral]

he is directly known about even by name just

he doesnt exactly say anything ona public front

he's known as just

[raven brook]

Makes sense yeah
He is generally directly known, but not much about him is known, if that makes sense

[manic coral]

yharim's lead scientist and engineer that's apparently not a human

or

[raven brook]

Like they know he exists they know he makes shit

[green prairie]

i havent re-read the codebreaker stuff in a bit but i vaguely remember Draedon being kinda mythological? ofc he's real but stories of his work have been passed down for years (and sightings of course)

[manic coral]

anything "living"

[raven brook]

He was originally yeah

But this was before he joined the yharmy

At first he was kind of a . cryptid

[manic coral]

yeah BEFORE he joined the Crusade draedon was jsut like

[raven brook]

he was mothman

[long bloom]

yeah like
hundreds of years before the crusade

[manic coral]

a local legend nobody actually believed

[eager bluff]

at first he was a cryptid but then bigfoot got a job at lockheed martin and here we are now

[sleek halo]

true

[manic coral]

and yet tales did persist of the occasional traveller coming acorss or even slaying an odd creature

made of metal rather than flesh

[raven brook]

thats such a funny fucking analogy and its like

also incredibly accurate

[green prairie]

i really wanna take more jabs at writing things that really don't impact anything related to CalLore, its fun i like silly worldbuilding

[raven brook]

thats literally what happened dawg

😭 😭

[long bloom]

prehistoric lore: 2016 - 2017
ancient lore: 2017 - 2018
old lore: 2018 - 2023
new lore: 2023 - present

[manic coral]

this is the funniest way to describe it that's entirely accurate

[green prairie]

if you encountered draedon a la how people claim they found bigfoot you'd shit yourself

[light linden]

which one was astrageldon part of?

[green prairie]

that's like running into general grievous in the woods

[manic coral]

it's like of the US government found bigfoot and recruited him into the military

[long bloom]

was created in the old lore era iirc

[raven brook]

YEAH THATS LITERALLY WHAT IT IS :SOB

[sleek halo]

and it turns out bigfoot has an even bigger gun

[long bloom]

but retconned out

[green prairie]

bigfoot with a wrench

[manic coral]

WAIT

NO

BETTER COMAPRSION

[raven brook]

First there was some random tidbits of lore that fabsol and only fabsol wrote in the forums

[eager bluff]

im so glad my funny card hasnt been revoked yet

[long bloom]

lihzahrd yharim

[sleek halo]

revoking it

[raven brook]

Then i think after that calamity got its first few devs and they tried to add stuff to the lore

[eager bluff]

you have no authority here

[sleek halo]

taking it away

[manic coral]

it's like if Bigfoot realized World War 2 started and walked into Adolf Hitler's office and asked to join

[raven brook]

B ut it wasn't really much of a "rewite" per say i think?Don't quote me on this though

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

[sleek halo]

😭

[green prairie]

LOL?? thats such an insane escalation

[eager bluff]

it wasnt that big of one if it was one

[raven brook]

I believe the first proper major rewrite was when the first actual writing team was formed

And this was, "old lore" as we know it now

[long bloom]

yharim is quite significantly worse than hitler

[raven brook]

and of course then 22 happened and a new dev team eastablished and this current dev team with our current writers made New Lore which is hte Current one

[long bloom]

thank yuo for the history lesson chease

[raven brook]

Ok comparing Yharim to hitler is one thing

[green prairie]

im not sure if thats a comparison i wanna make

[raven brook]

but saying he's worse that's another

[sleek halo]

dude. i thought this emoji just had really big head and then a stick body ngl.

[eager bluff]

i keep thinking that

[raven brook]

Yeah i think that's a bit uhhh not good

[long bloom]

he killed like
a billion people

[raven brook]

It's not good to say a fictional character is worse than hitler 😭

[green prairie]

i'd say Yharim and Darth Vader is a more like, acceptable comparison?

[long bloom]

probably true

[green prairie]

(alderaan barred ofc)

[raven brook]

No like i think comparing him to hitler is pretty accurate actually

just, don't sway he's worse that's kinda insensitive

[manic coral]

i usually dont like comparing fictional characters to hitler but like espeically in this case it's not an unfair comparison

[eager bluff]

if comparing them in the same canon yes yharim would be worse but unlike yharim hitler was a real person which by default makes him worse

[spare pier]

This is fucking crazy

[long bloom]

ok that makes sense

[raven brook]

He commited a mass genocide on a specific group he didn't like and broke the geneva convention a good few times and did alot of war crimes

[sleek halo]

man. real glad yharim doesn’t exist in our world.

[raven brook]

I think it's an apt comparison yeah

[manic coral]

but i'm not WRONG

[sleek halo]

actually

yharim wouldn’t

[manic coral]

this does sum up draedon joining the crusade

[sleek halo]

probably do his horrible things

with a lack of gods

[spare pier]

Yes and I hate that it does

[raven brook]

if yharim existed in real life he'd like be a beekeeper in florida or something

[sleek halo]

with no gods to go crusade against. what’s the POINT of it all.

[green prairie]

i like how he's specifically a beekeeper

[sleek halo]

strongest beekeeper in history

actually. i don’t think he’d keep bees tbh

that kind of goes against his whole thing

[green prairie]

he feels like a big pet guy to me. he likes animals

[sleek halo]

i think bees r different

[spare pier]

No it really doesn't

[sleek halo]

not really pets

[spare pier]

Beekeeping is like

As close as you can get to just employing an animal

It's a symbiotic relationship

[sleek halo]

true

[green prairie]

horse carriages also would fall into that

[spare pier]

No that's more like slavery

The horse gains nothing

[eager bluff]

and also cant leave

[long bloom]

i literally saved a meme explaining beekeeping this morning hold on

[sleek halo]

the bees reallt can’t. either ngl

or wel

[sleek halo]

more accurately

[spare pier]

No they can

[sleek halo]

won’t

[spare pier]

[long bloom]

read

[spare pier]

Yeah because the conditions the beekeeper gives them are very good

[eager bluff]

bees will

bees have are and will continue to leave bad beekeepers

[spare pier]

If the bees wanted they legit can just fuck off

[sleek halo]

i did not know this. how wonderful to be informed

[eager bluff]

there arent like any bad beekeepers because if the beekeepers are bad the bees just leave

[green prairie]

such fascinating little guys. is this why yharim likes bees?

[sleek halo]

yharim goes and slaughters all the people who trap bees

[manic coral]

bees are cool animals

i like bees

[long bloom]

[spare pier]

On top of this, beekeepers don't take any honey

They take excess honey, because captive bees have such good conditions that they end up making a shitton of it

And that's actually harmful to the hive

[long bloom]

oh neat

[spare pier]

Idr why but I know that it is

[long bloom]

they'd become lost in the sauce

[eager bluff]

i think the closest analogy would be like

[spare pier]

Not only that but the bees are also offered pristine living conditions while under the care of a beekeeper

[eager bluff]

"damn my fridge is so full that my house is starting to be overrun with food"

[sleek halo]

drowning in bags of cheese

just so many bags of cheese

[raven brook]

The only problems that the bees and beekepers bring

is not to either of them

[spare pier]

They not only have an impervious protection to all threats, but they also have essentially a giant hive manager who does a lot of busywork for them, all at the cost of honey they don't even need

[raven brook]

its that honey bees are invasive in a shit ton of places because of it

😭

[spare pier]

So like

If anything

Bees domesticated humans

[raven brook]

Which to be fair is in character for yharim

[eager bluff]

not really

theres a bird that did but not bees

[sleek halo]

yk what i think. i think we should eradicate fire ants from all of northern america

i fucking hate those guys

[raven brook]

Becomes a beekeeper, idolizes the honey bees and has an great relationship with them

fucks over the local nature for it as the honey bees threaten native species

[sleek halo]

AND they’re terrible

[raven brook]

its just like dragons!

[spare pier]

I just mean that relatively bees gain infinitely more than humans do out of their relationship

[sleek halo]

money

[long bloom]

i too watched that youtube short last night

[green prairie]

i dont agree with obliterating an entire species of big since that can have some pretty huge ramifications but yeah they are annoying. i say as someone who was an idiot child once and sat on a fire ant nest

[eager bluff]

i like milo hes cool

[long bloom]

true!

[sleek halo]

well. they’re mega invasive

[raven brook]

theyre invasive

[sleek halo]

and horrible for the environment

[raven brook]

yeah

[eager bluff]

i think we should eliminate all kudzu

[green prairie]

oh they are? i didnt know that at all

[sleek halo]

they wipe out

basically every other

ant population

[raven brook]

It's very unfortunate what Honey Bee propaganda has done to the Native Insect economy

Because

honey bees are mega invasive

but

because of the way people present bees

PEOPLE THINK THEYRE ENDANGERED

AND GOOD FOR THE ENVIROMENT

😭

[long bloom]

save bumblebees

[green prairie]

are stink bugs invasive? i have a lot of them in my house and im worried they're trying to invade

[raven brook]

save native bees!

[spare pier]

I like those fishes who lowkey make sea urchin gardens because then humans roll around and crack them open for them to eat

[raven brook]

i don't think

uh

do you know what invaisve means

😭

[sleek halo]

yep

[raven brook]

those fishes r real ones

sea urchin and lionfish hell invasion

[green prairie]

I DO i wanted to make a stink bug joke. theres one on my wall who's been watching me

[raven brook]

5000 coral reefs dead

oh sob

[sleek halo]

lionfishes r so fucking dumb bro

[spare pier]

On one hand, invasive species are bad

[sleek halo]

u got like 6 spikes and u just get to win

[green prairie]

i have a photo of a stink bug on my monitor watching me play terraria somewhere

[sleek halo]

no brainpower needed

[eager bluff]

on the other hand god i love honey

[raven brook]

theyre used to just. being immortal

cuz nothing fucking eats them

so when a diver comes up with a spear they

dont do anything

dont swim away

they just sit there

[sleek halo]

yeah

just get obliterated

[spare pier]

On the other hand, I think it's very awesome to see how species adapt and employ humans in their ecosystem

[long bloom]

literally
:clueless

[raven brook]

Give me a bit

[sleek halo]

we need to biologically engineer the lionfish killer ™

[spare pier]

I think it's neat to see how we as a species impact the ecosystem in these ways

[sleek halo]

can only digest lionfish specifically

gain little to no nutrients from other things

[eager bluff]

we need to go back in time to the first lionfish and put the fear of god back on the menu

[sleek halo]

true

[manic coral]

i do enjoy species that's solution to predators is just

ENTIRELY not being worth it to eat

[spare pier]

I SUCK

[sleek halo]

how it feels to be horribly toxic

[raven brook]

ok im done

[spare pier]

Do NOT eat me

[manic coral]

hi done

[green prairie]

im always a big fan of how lore discussion starts with the lore, slowly becomes sillier as it goes on, and then just becomes entirely unrelated by the end

[manic coral]

im cei

[spare pier]

Holy shit you are TheDone_22

[spare pier]

I will not lie

I kinda project on Draedon a lot

[sleek halo]

draedon is draedone

[spare pier]

His fascination over sociology is entirely me

[manic coral]

it's ok i do that when i write calamitas

[spare pier]

Because I am fascinated with sociology

[raven brook]

you want to create a living nanomachine plague bee nuclear bomb uhhh i forgot the rest

[manic coral]

i infuse my childhood trauma into her

[long bloom]

insert cheese joke

[raven brook]

me and cei r horrible trauma ptsd twins

[spare pier]

And also Cheese

[raven brook]

calamitas's characterization is just an horrible amalgamation of our trama. but now she can shoot fire from her hands

[sleek halo]

i NEED! permafrost to have

very serious moments

[long bloom]

peak

[sleek halo]

amongst his sillier dialogue stuff

i need my deeply sad old man

[raven brook]

i absolutely adore perma's new characterization

it's such

[spare pier]

This shit is why I suck at writing Calamitas

I'm NORMAL

[manic coral]

it's almost like i have firsthand experience of having to constantly follow the orders of somebody very abusive and manipulative like yharim is or something

[raven brook]

a massive improvement over his frankly boring personality currently

[long bloom]

says the homestuck fan

[sleek halo]

cause imo. there’s no fucking way

he wouldn’t be

[green prairie]

we're calamity fans is anyone here truly normal

[spare pier]

Ok that's not special about me

[raven brook]

we should put my yharim and your yharim in like

[spare pier]

Cei also likes Homestuck

[raven brook]

a big arena

and have them fight to death

[spare pier]

She read it first even

[sleek halo]

how it feels to be a massive part of hitler literally almost succeeding

(not good)

[raven brook]

whoever wins gets eaten by the a giant worm

it's like that one game

[sleek halo]

and then ur child getting fucked up for it

[manic coral]

mine wins he actually had military training

:/

[sleek halo]

and u doing nothing

[manic coral]

trauma pwoerscaling

[sleek halo]

until ur hand is forced

[spare pier]

Cei

[raven brook]

damnnn guess yours will have to get eaten by the worm then

[spare pier]

You're forgetting one small detail

[eager bluff]

mine wins theres no reason for it my yharim doesnt exist but he solos anyways smh

[spare pier]

My Yharim is myself

[manic coral]

that you're a massive fucking bitch?

:/

[sleek halo]

and then u get fucking sealed away by her!!! with a spell u totally taught her!!!

[manic coral]

sorry had to be toxic for a sec

[raven brook]

my relationship with calamitas as a character is so weird

[spare pier]

Whatever I'm not gonna make the joke I still don't feel comfortable joking about your shit

[raven brook]

because at first it was like wow i really like this character and i relate to her alot

[long bloom]

cei xeroc vs reb xeroc

who wins

[sleek halo]

my xeroc

[spare pier]

Mephirah

[raven brook]

then slowly i became close friends with the lore writers and then i became a partial inspiration for her characterization

and then like

[simple tangle]

wut is it

[raven brook]

a while later

i started to realize how i might unironically have calamitas as a kintype

[long bloom]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fxcx1CcR_GZO3rbbiE3aIuI_-M8uhOKcmPdTkJExuiM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[raven brook]

😭

[visual kiln]

Blocked

[spare pier]

You can't out-Mephirah Mephirah

[raven brook]

shoutout to when i dmed cei "cei write my lore"

[long bloom]

[visual kiln]

cei write my lore

[raven brook]

and she has, in fact

been doing that

[visual kiln]

i have lore

[raven brook]

shes writing my lore

[visual kiln]

write it

write mt lore

[spare pier]

Cheese Lore

[sleek halo]

cheese is calamitas

[visual kiln]

take action regarding that individual

[sleek halo]

I need a calamitas line where she just randomly states

“Man, I love cheese.”

[long bloom]

[manic coral]

i will say i do tend to infuse what ive gone through with what i make becuase personal experience and all that and like while it's not very obvious with calmity in ISOLATION

wow abused parential figures sure are an archetype i tend to gravitate towards as antagonists i wonder why

[raven brook]

The stuff we go through just kinda influences our view on things and by nature what we write, i think it goes for all authors, but sometimes it becomes more apparent

[manic coral]

see this is the reaon i write permafrost to be so based

to offset that

[raven brook]

permafrost is genuinely so fucking cool

[sleek halo]

i still want a sad permafrost dialogue

if he talks about the crusade

[raven brook]

i absoltuely love his characterization

like his new one

[sleek halo]

literally worst regret.

is that fuckass crusade

[spare pier]

Most of the villains I write are manipulative assholes and often colonialists

And also women

[long bloom]

i want to know why he let it get that bad

[long bloom]

how fabsolian

[manic coral]

more permafrost stuff eventually

[sleek halo]

i like to just genuinely imagine permafrost

[manic coral]

main priority RIGHT when i get done with calamitas stuff

[sleek halo]

trying to ignore

[spare pier]

Idk if that's a joke

[sleek halo]

the horrors

[spare pier]

If it is

Congrats

I will not hide that, yes

Fabsol is someone I look at when I write characters like those

[long bloom]

lmfao

[simple tangle]

;;,

[sleek halo]

like. a lot.

Until he literally couldn’t

[raven brook]

In my writing i tend to gravitate towards villains with a hint of tragedy to them ive noticed

[manic coral]

meanwhile i just go

[sleek halo]

like scal imo

[raven brook]

Alot of my villain-type figures

[sleek halo]

would force his hand

[raven brook]

Even the ones that are

blatantly evil yeah

[manic coral]

"ok who are the absolute worst people ive ever seen irl"

[raven brook]

Still have a hint of tragedy or nuance to how they got here

[manic coral]

"im going to write antagonists based off of that"

[raven brook]

I really like the idea of someone who's definitely very evil

Their actions aren ot redeemable

But when looking at them from another viewpoint

You almost pity them

[spare pier]

I have three villain archetypes I tend to write

[sleek halo]

i love making horrible peiple

[manic coral]

to me it is very important that you can alwasy understand

[sleek halo]

into good people

into horrible people again

[manic coral]

WHy theya re the way they are

[sleek halo]

falling back into their roots

[manic coral]

even if it's obviously illogical

[long bloom]

saw someone talking in cmt yesterday about how you should be able to forgive yharim

[raven brook]

Oh yeah absolutely

Not all villains need to be sympathethic

[manic coral]

like yharim is objedtively an absolute fucking monster

but

[eager bluff]

humans arent logical creatures

[raven brook]

But i think almost always you want villains who are understandable

[manic coral]

it makes sense why he ended up the way he did

[simple tangle]

mf think he asriel

[sleek halo]

very clear how he got there

[raven brook]

I t hink this is why out of all the limbus main antagonists

[sleek halo]

with his personality as well

[raven brook]

erlking heathcliff and rien are my favorite

[sleek halo]

like

Yharim’s main downfall was being so. headstrong

Never buckling under the pressure

[manic coral]

Rien is fucking amazing and everybdoy who just sees him and goes "poland lol" makes my soul hurt

[green prairie]

i do appreciate that Yharim can be a very tragic character but also an irredeemable monster

[spare pier]

• Crazy/Fanatical insane people who just want to fuck shit up
• Egostistical little shits who have no real good reason to do what they're doing except for their own sake

Actually it's just two

And like

[raven brook]

When it's done well a villain who's definitely evil and doing bad shit and you can't really forgive them but when you think about houw they got here and what they've went through to motivate them to do these things

[manic coral]

be when im in an entirely missing the point of rien's character competition and my opponent is a project moon fan on reddit

[eager bluff]

talking about understandable villains means i have to shoutout otto apocalypse

[raven brook]

Is so fucking good

[simple tangle]

which cal character is this

[spare pier]

I think it's really funny that every time I write the second

[sleek halo]

Permafrost

[green prairie]

whoever worked for yharim but not in his armies

[spare pier]

I just let Mephirah front

[sleek halo]

Permafrost

just permafrost

Permafrost is absolutely a bad person imo. even if he didn’t directly commit atrocities

he still holds blame

[manic coral]

I have come so close to going on multiple rants about this before but I have restrained myself

[sleek halo]

for the crusade

[raven brook]

ok is

3 am

[manic coral]

good night cheeso

[raven brook]

i should probably go to becd

[long bloom]

gn

[simple tangle]

byebye

[sleek halo]

goodnight CHEESE

[long bloom]

brainstorm tomorrow

[simple tangle]

goodnight

[raven brook]

good night lore people

[sleek halo]

brainstorm. literally today.

[spare pier]

The perks of having a narcissistic dipshit in your head is that she can act like a villain scarily well

[long bloom]

nuh uh there's still 34 minutes

[sleek halo]

not for me

[simple tangle]

calamity autism sucks ive thought so much about wargod and its all pointless cuz he'll get lore eventually

[eager bluff]

hes horrible irredeemable an asshole even but when it got around to his story chapter in hi3 i actually felt things that werent just hating him

[long bloom]

L

[sleek halo]

who care

enjoy ur headcanon

that’s all that matters

[green prairie]

welcome to the calamity autism club

[sleek halo]

i have written personal stories

[agile matrix]

i know like eight people who have all different kinds of autism for calamity

[sleek halo]

about quite a bit of calamity

despite preexisting lore

[agile matrix]

and four of them fit into the “theres No way this is canon but its also really fun to make”

[long bloom]

fun fact the introductory lore doc is also called the nuclear autism masterdoc

[spare pier]

If it makes you feel any better I'm the same

[agile matrix]

awesome

[green prairie]

i need to channel all of it and write down all of my headcanons onto a doc (ik ive mentioned them in passing but i have a lot of big ones)

[spare pier]

[simple tangle]

its a fucking cognitohazard

cal lore doc is a cognitohazard

[sleek halo]

I love my stupid chud

lizard guy

[long bloom]

might be true

[green prairie]

accurate name. ive never been more fixated on calamity since i started reading it

[sleek halo]

the humble and fucked up god of justice who does not even remotely exist but i love him

[barren mortar]

legend says if you read all of it your face melts off like that scene from indiana jones

[eager bluff]

is it a coghaz or an infohaz

[simple tangle]

huge if true

[long bloom]

clover undertable yellow

[green prairie]

oh thats why my face has been so sore lately!

[simple tangle]

infohazard would be more accurate, yes

[spare pier]

SQUID

‼️

[simple tangle]

?

[sleek halo]

WE’RE SPLITTING THANATOS LONG WAYS WITH THIS ONE!!’

[spare pier]

It's my main Cal OC

[simple tangle]

ohh

[spare pier]

Calamari

She's a squib

[long bloom]

how clamitous

[spare pier]

But like

Really really strong

[sleek halo]

WE’RE KILLING XEROC TODAY WOOOO

FUCKING KILL THAT GUY

I HATE HIM!!

[spare pier]

I actually dropped that

[long bloom]

OH MY GOD

[manic coral]

alright i think

[spare pier]

I think it's lame

[green prairie]

i've considered making a calamity OC

[manic coral]

i am tired

[long bloom]

the melongun image

[spare pier]

The sleeper

[manic coral]

it is bed time for me

[sleek halo]

hello tired.

[simple tangle]

im waiting for brainstorm to set up my cal OC :)
cuz i want her to be focused on the crimson

[long bloom]

that's why that's there

[eager bluff]

yes shes one of the ocs on there

[simple tangle]

goodnigh

[agile matrix]

god of knowledge who lives deep in the hell and fire island and is not dead but also not doing fucking anything

[eager bluff]

one of my horribly awfully underdeveloped ocs is there too

[long bloom]

the drunk?

[eager bluff]

yea

[long bloom]

lol

[simple tangle]

i need to read some old lore

im in the mood for hype momentss

[spare pier]

I think her story concludes better if that's not the case

[simple tangle]

and aura

[long bloom]

old lore is the actual cognitihazard

[spare pier]

Specially since I diverted her character arc a little

[green prairie]

i would not call it hype moments, its just kinda boring

[spare pier]

I like the idea of Calamari being

[eager bluff]

if everything is a hype moment then nothing is a hype moment

[spare pier]

A genuinely amazing person, but who sadly sides with Yharim

[simple tangle]

and when everyone's got aura....

[eager bluff]

when everyones got aura all the time then the story is too edgy to be taken seriously

[simple tangle]

you were supposed to do the syndrome quote

kills u

[spare pier]

Her main thing is basically that I like to use her as a commentary on how humanity is inherently good, and she, as a newborn, is also a good person due to the people who help her grow

[green prairie]

i think you can do a story where a lot of characters have crazy aura, but it needs to be balanced with a good plot and character writing

[sleek halo]

i ONLY make characters with immaculate aura

nevermind the fact that they sometimes do silly things.

aura is all that matters in writing.

[eager bluff]

you cant have a story made up entirely of gojo hype moments and aura

[simple tangle]

ive been thinking about benevolent gods who were objectively nice but complicit in the genocide of the dragons
i like that nuance i feel
someone who has done so much good like agnus who still went out to slaughter the dragons

[spare pier]

And then I like the idea that her fight with Xeroc is specially painful because it's them looking at a genuinely great and amazing person, who did so much good to the world, but who sadly sides with Yharim and wants to kill them

[sleek halo]

“man these fucking gods suck”

the young and impressional squid:

[simple tangle]

never ask a god where they got that auric soul from :^)

[sleek halo]

i’m sure some were

given willingly

[simple tangle]

oh for sure

[sleek halo]

i do like when cal ocs actually fall in line with yharim

it fits the idea of him being

extremely charismatic and manipulative

he understands people. too well.

[spare pier]

I definitely also think that a good reason Calamari thinks that is due to a perceived moral high ground

She got her auric powers through completely peaceful means, no one had to die for that. Why couldn't the Gods have done the same?

On top of her feeling that Silva was neglectful of her

[sleek halo]

I feel like a lot of the people who followed him in the start

were probably good people

who thought they were fighting for a good cause

and obviously, some gods caused unrest amongst people if he really was able to rally that many

[simple tangle]

ahhh another day of being a morally neutral and innocent civilian

[sleek halo]

yep

[spare pier]

She's in the neutral ground of

Agreeing with Yharim's idea but not methods

[sleek halo]

how it feels to be mentally a vegetable

[spare pier]

She thinks that taking the followers alongside them is really dumb and it's why she's buddies with Braelor and Statis for example

[simple tangle]

thinking about if the fright souls got put into skelly prime while it was under construction and it telling the most fucked up shit to the workers

[sleek halo]

Yeah, I think

most people who aren’t

[light linden]

laura is this a bad time?

[eager bluff]

i dont know if it has the mental capacity for that but fucked up if true

[sleek halo]

indoctrinated into the yharmy

would be able to tell pretty quickly

[simple tangle]

i just thought it would be funny if it could speak

[sleek halo]

“yeah this is fucked up”

[spare pier]

For what?

[light linden]

question

[spare pier]

Shoot

[sleek halo]

no questions allowed in lore discussion

[eager bluff]

i mean it probably can but also probably not comprehensibly

[sleek halo]

u must only speak in statements

u create the lore

[light linden]

have you ever seen vulcanusmon from digimon?

[spare pier]

No

[light linden]

idk why but he's what I'd imagine draedon would be like if he was human

[eager bluff]

new lore noxus has a pretty pink bow

[simple tangle]

yay ❤️

[sleek halo]

dog has no bow because that’s a thing for WOMAN and he’s a misogynist.

and other personist.

basically anyone not him

[spare pier]

Generally though, and this is very funny to say

[sleek halo]

just hates eevryone

[spare pier]

Calamari is basically a moderate Yharim

[simple tangle]

🥚
but i digress

[spare pier]

[green prairie]

hey he can experiment if he wants! the worm can dress femme as a treat

[simple tangle]

NOOOOO,,,, the enlightened centrist......

[eager bluff]

it has nowhere to put the bow and thus is caused immense stress because what if the bow gets damaged and braelor (the one who gave the bow to it) gets sad

[light linden]

dude's an engineer who became a living forge and goes nuts with whatever he makes

[spare pier]

But yeah this is why like

I think her not killing Xeroc works better

It's her chance to understand why that worldview is flawed

[simple tangle]

i want my cal oc to die at like, exos

[spare pier]

And to understand that it's impossible for anything to get done if you always try to take the objectively best approach

Sometimes you're gonna have to settle for good enough

That will hurt people

[sleek halo]

calamari falls for the trap of an eye for an eye

[spare pier]

But that's how things get done in the world

[eager bluff]

glassius cannonius beats yharim because he made a promise when he was drunk and he keeps his fucking promises

[sleek halo]

sometimes. u got no choice but to kill a mfer

like

Providenc

or Yharim

or DoG

they won’t change

no matter waht

they never ever will

you could argue with them for a thousand years

[spare pier]

Yeah no she agrees with that

[sleek halo]

and they would not give

[feral skiff]

Draedon then goes: “Aww man, I wanted to get more data out of them” and flies off

[spare pier]

I mean, she kills them lol

It's more about the god stuff

She thinks it would've been reasonable for the gods to just

Ask for the auric souls or something

[simple tangle]

😭

[spare pier]

Her view of the world is incredibly naive

[eager bluff]

shitface shitballs 3 on the other hand dies of a heart attack immediately after killing ml

[spare pier]

Because, y'know

She's 1 year old

[sleek halo]

yea

me when i fail to realize people can change

ur as bad as ur crimes 800 years ago

murder sucks. shit is terrible. but i think 800 years is a pretty decent amount of time

[eager bluff]

yknow whatd be fucked up

life in prison for a god

[sleek halo]

but if u keep committing murder. over 800 years

yeah maybe

maybe you gotta go

[sleek halo]

stupid chud child with the power of rapid adaptation

this surely cannot end poorly

[green prairie]

can i do that to the gods?

[sleek halo]

i honestly don’t see

ascension on a god

working out too well

for the ascender

also probably end up weaker than the god regardless

you’re 2/3rd normal person now

at least ur soul is

if u do get a domain

that shit gonna be so fucked up

[long bloom]

no

god souls dissolve almost immediately upon death

[agile matrix]

"almost" put that shit in cryostasis and prevent it from changing whatsoever

[sinful adder]

Hey so. Do people actually change? Because everyone I've ever encountered doesn't actually change and grow as a person past childhood

So like I'm not too sure

[feral skiff]

no i don’t think so

once you turn 18, your personality and traits are completely locked

a wise man called Yharim told me this and he looked really cool so it’s definitely facts

[sinful adder]

I don't believe it's literally that, but I think people gradually lose their ability to change as they age

This is based on my real world experience as I said. They also sometimes even lose their ability to learn new information that contradicts any old information, they just deny reality

[glacial wolf]

would it be possible to ascend your own soul through becoming good enough of a mage to literally command a specific element better than a god could or would that make you a demi god
like what creates an actual god im still confused abt that