lore-discussion

[split mortar]

No im not, i was not made with a specific purpose that my mind was built around i exist because of pure chance of evolution

[long bloom]

sentient ≠ sapient

[final kindle]

you're downplaying the differences in complexity and behavior that comes from complexity, and you're arguing draedon is simple under no basis

[final kindle]

sapience is irrelevant

[simple tangle]

can i make out with draedon

[final kindle]

gods aren't sapient

[split mortar]

And evolution had reason to evolve a moral compass of sorts for previous humans
Draedon has not had such thing

[final kindle]

dragons aren't sapient

[long bloom]

???????? 😭

[long bloom]

ok now you're literally just wrong

[woeful karma]

keep sucking his flat faceplate

[split mortar]

Gods are sapient some dragons are sapient whag

[long bloom]

also wrong

if xeroc wasn't sapient he couldn't fucking talk to you

same with yharon

[simple tangle]

most successful ragebait of all time?

[final kindle]

if by sapient you mean human-like then no

if by sapient you mean ability to apply knowledge or experience or understanding or common sense and insight, draedon has demonstrated this ability better than anyone else

[simple tangle]

you're stupid. this is stupid. fuck this

i know its ragebait so, why am i so angry?????

[final kindle]

draedon is actually the perfect example of sapience in this case in-universe

[split mortar]

So draedon thus logically should not see actions via morality and at best only see morality as a way others see things in some ways
Even if we are both sapient draedons own mind is built under different reasons (science at all costs to survival of the fitest) so theres no reason for draedon to be exactly like us

[final kindle]

if you argue draedon has no free will, neither does anyone else in universe

[long bloom]

yes he's sapient (or at least appears so) but that doesn't mean he can defy his code

[split mortar]

Thanks for not reading what i said

[long bloom]

nobody else is literally a robot

[final kindle]

how does being a robot affect free will?

[long bloom]

computer code

[woeful karma]

roxcalibur shrine

[long bloom]

[final kindle]

dna code

[long bloom]

yes thank you

[final kindle]

biological code

[long bloom]

how did it get out of the underworld

[simple tangle]

roxcalibur

[long bloom]

might be true

[final kindle]

blame roxy saying I'm stupid over and over, I'll read gimme a moment, was distracted

[final kindle]

draedon is also a product of natural evolution

[split mortar]

Even if thats true dna has no evolutionary reason to be as hard ruled as draedons code so still fundamentally different

[split mortar]

No the guy was built do you know how robots are made

[simple tangle]

when a man robot and a lady robot love each other very much

[final kindle]

millions of years of evolution with the purpose of passing down genes. every single gene in your DNA is hardwired with the need to replicate. That's what you are, that's your code, yet you argue that somehow that's enough to warranty freewill any more than a different type of machine, that was made by another that had the same purpose as you, and so is the product of the evolved gene pool, and is hardwired to that in the same way you are via causality, and it demonstrates the same common behaviors seen by objects of free will, yet you argue it doesn't have free will?

[long bloom]

yes.
it's different.

[simple tangle]

pin this

[final kindle]

it quacks like a duck, it was made by a duck, it walks like a duck, everything about it is mainly duck, but it's different from duck so much that it's less?

[pulsar ocean]

if you think about it
xeroc being the strongest being in verse and not doing shi about the mass murderer genocidal golden hitler kinda indirectly makes him responsible for millions of deaths

[split mortar]

Yes it can be different
Like an ai generated video

[fierce pagoda]

Brothas arguing about freewill in calamity lore chat

[final kindle]

you were also built

[simple tangle]

he very much had the power to stop it
just sayin!

[woeful karma]

HWAT

does patreon give you react perms??

[final kindle]

how is that relevant? we're talking about a perfectly sentient being, not a naive transformer algorithm

[long bloom]

cooldude

[woeful karma]

oh weird

[long bloom]

i'm abusing it rn to troll this guy

[woeful karma]

i did not expect it to be below patreon roles fsr

[split mortar]

Procreation and building a clanker is different

[pulsar ocean]

would still be different if a robot made a robot

[final kindle]

draedon is no simple clanker that's an insult. you're objectively wrong if you compare it to a naive LLM algorithm or such

[simple tangle]

whats with people saying clanker all of a sudden

[final kindle]

I can call you an animal

[long bloom]

slur for droids from star wars

it's now popular to use on generative ai and llms

[split mortar]

The code that makes up draedon is much more specifically made
I do believe draedon has free will, i do not believe free will means understanding morality
I do not believe draedon has an internal moral compass to understand morality

[proud fable]

hey guys, i wondered what you were discussing about 🙂

[pulsar ocean]

holy shit murasama calamity mod

[split mortar]

That would be correct i am one
Humans are animals afterall

[final kindle]

so draedon can make the choice of being evil, and has done so. naivity isn't an excuse. end of story

[split mortar]

No

[simple tangle]

sisyphean

[proud fable]

thats me

[woeful karma]

hell

[simple tangle]

actually sisyphean

[final kindle]

not understanding morality ≠ incapable of evil

are psychopaths capable of evil?

[pulsar ocean]

if you zinc about it flowey undertale and draedon calamity mod are basically the same

[long bloom]

wait what are you even arguing now

[sacred pilot]

We're trying to teach someone about Draedon's amorality.

[proud fable]

in a way? i think psychopath evil its a kind of evil, one of worse

[final kindle]

so draedon again, is concluded to be evil

[simple tangle]

psycopathy is just a mental illness, theres no such thing as "psychopath evil"

[fierce pagoda]

is being evil decided by intention, actions, or both

oohhh

didnt think about that did ya?

[proud fable]

cool, well, i think draedon itself is a mad man, drove insane and ambitious by its creations

[simple tangle]

?

? no

[long bloom]

incorrect

[sacred pilot]

No?

[split mortar]

I believe being evil requires a moral compass and so draedon lacks the ability to be evil

[sacred pilot]

Draedon is amoral. He has no concept of morality.

[split mortar]

Idk not a psychologist

[sacred pilot]

The progression of science is as natural to him as a heartbeat.

[final kindle]

so your answer to psychopaths capable of evil is no they're not capable of evil. that's valid

[proud fable]

no sorry, i didnt mean that psychopath = evil, i meant that psychopath evil is a real thing, is this worry?

wrong**

[final kindle]

under those circumstances, draedon is not evil, I agree

[proud fable]

sorry, i don’t actually know all the lore in a right way

[long bloom]

under any other circumstances he's also not evil

[simple tangle]

ok i lowkey disgree
like, "evil" is defined by the effect we have on the environment around us
in those terms i think draedon is pretty fucken evil if u account for all the damage he's caused

[fierce pagoda]

He's done some prettty bad stuff though

[proud fable]

at this point, he’s a neutral being?

[long bloom]

he has no concept of right and wrong
he simply does whatever will progress science and gain him knowledge

[final kindle]

I have just argued otherwise, provide sufficient counterargument to disprove mine

[long bloom]

nah

[split mortar]

I consider being destructive different to being evil

[proud fable]

okok cool, well i think he is a bit out of ordinary i mean

[long bloom]

yeah definitely

[proud fable]

do we know how draedon was created?

[fierce pagoda]

Should Dreadon pay for his sins

[simple tangle]

tbf i just dont think "evil" is very useful of a term regardless

[final kindle]

I agree

[split mortar]

A volcano is not evil for exploding a city its a fucking volcano

[proud fable]

well at this point yes but no?

[split mortar]

True

[woeful hatch]

I think incapable of evil is an incorrect wording

But not understanding what you're doing falls under the common definition is indeed a problem people with those kind of disorders can face

Draedon in that sense falls under that: he's genuinely incapable of understanding what he's doing as messed up, beyond maybe just thinking "complaints may be bad"

[long bloom]

he woke up in a lab in some taiga next to a dead guy ~660 years ago

[simple tangle]

and that dead guy....was john wulfrum /j

[proud fable]

he was already a machine? or he was a human?

[fierce pagoda]

you see, there is a difference between Doing evil, and Being evil

[split mortar]

In the end draedon will likely do more help then harm so probably not??? Not like anyone can stop it

[long bloom]

unknown

[fierce pagoda]

how's that sound my fellow lorians

[split mortar]

Left ambiguous

[final kindle]

I believe they're identical provided free will is true

[fierce pagoda]

oh yeah? Noxus, obliterate the earth for me

[simple tangle]

see the mistake here is believing theres such a thing as sin

[icy veldt]

Draedon lacking a moral compass might be the reason why he doesn't view himself as evil, but no one views themselves as evil; people just have varying reasons for that. Whether Draedon's actions are evil is the choice of whoever is evaluating whether he's evil or not

[low lily]

What is dude actually saying

[split mortar]

Draedon just flees ti soace shrimple

[fierce pagoda]

hmmm.... i know, Noxus onbliterate space

[final kindle]

tl;dr draedon is a psychopath

[long bloom]

sociopath

is more accurate

[final kindle]

true

[simple tangle]

lets not be ableist

[final kindle]

better word

[proud fable]

that would be so cool if he had some kind of backstory like revenant (from apex), like once human, now a machine, that does remember his life before, but not always, like some frames

[low lily]

Good thing he doesn't become another version of AM

[long bloom]

???

[fierce pagoda]

sorry, we gotta cancel you now

im sorry

[long bloom]

[proud fable]

i have no mouth and i must scream mentioned, i love that script

[long bloom]

perhaps

[icy veldt]

What if Draedon becomes PM?

[fierce pagoda]

I like to believe Dreadons back story is like Dr Gero from Dragonball

[woeful hatch]

I think he'd work best under a person with capacity to distinguish between good and evil, and shouldn't be allowed to roam entirely free, purely from a future operation standpoint

Of course, that means said person needs to be powerful enough to be a threat, as to make it the logical option for draedon to follow them .

[low lily]

Same, it's a great representation of a hellish consequence of AI really well

[final kindle]

that was enough engagement farm for today, have a good day everyone. I'm dipping

[proud fable]

you know, i like so much writjng, i offered to calamity team to write for them for free, i really love their work, i could send here a docx if you want to read it

[fierce pagoda]

that could be us!

yippie!

[low lily]

Prime Minister

Or what

Ik not prime minister but what are you referring to

[simple tangle]

sociopaths are a real group of people with a disorder, just, im not super comfortable with it used like that yk

[long bloom]

sure why not

[sacred pilot]

Uhhhhhh.

Hm.

[fierce pagoda]

wait why didnt you say anything when psycopatsh were mentioned then

fake woke!?

[sacred pilot]

What are your favorite interpretations of the Terrarian?

[fierce pagoda]

selectively woke!?!?

[proud fable]

you think that draedon does care about himself? i mean, its a strange question but, in the moment we menace his life, he couldnt go further with his research. is this something stupid to think?

[long bloom]

yeah, if he's dead he can't science

[sacred pilot]

I like the idea that the Terrarian is Just a Guy™

[long bloom]

which he must avoid at all costs

[fierce pagoda]

Aura merchant

[simple tangle]

i wasalso but i was gettin somethered by people responding to it with stuff like "psychopath evil"

[woeful hatch]

I will gladly read that document

However, as for the first part, take no offense but: you have much to learn about this lore before you should think about writing for them

It's good that you show enthusiasm in writing, but they already have a lot of writers, and it is very unlikely you will be accepted in the team as of now

[fierce pagoda]

ohh okay

[split mortar]

That can be true

[sacred pilot]

Yes ik.

I mean about what is everyone's favorite interpretation of them.

[simple tangle]

my terrarian's lore is that they're a fellow research robot like draedon :)

[proud fable]

you’re so right, no offense to me, thanks for the response 🙂

[fierce pagoda]

they know, they just love to post that image

cause, its tuff

[robust osprey]

my terraria is kinda just a girl with who like

really likes bnuuys

[fierce pagoda]

omg Maxie

[sacred pilot]

And it creates this symbolism of the Terrarian as a like.

[simple tangle]

real....

[proud fable]

tell me what you think about it (if you want to read) :)))

[sacred pilot]

Monument of all of Yharim's sins.

[robust osprey]

rare colgator in lore discussion

[simple tangle]

my terrarian is also a girl
robots can be girls!

[sacred pilot]

Representing all the ordinary, innocent people Yharim has killed in his crusade.

My Terrarian is a wolfboy.

[low lily]

Good thing my character makes up for that by getting bunny banners

[long bloom]

very cool writing
though a couple lore inaccuracies

[fierce pagoda]

was told to stay away from lore chat, so i just had to see what was going on

saw people discussing free will, and it was wraps

[simple tangle]

my head hurts

[proud fable]

if you want you can correct me, i would love some advices :)))

[robust osprey]

you will suffer 1000 different deaths.

[robust osprey]

I see I see

[long bloom]

• fovos had never been seen prior to the invasion of 1037
• xeroc and zeratros were friends beforehand

[simple tangle]

at some point i got rly tired and just started calling the guy stupid

[fierce pagoda]

Lore chat will do that to you..

[robust osprey]

those types of discussion seem to attract your presence

[icy veldt]

My Terrarian is basically my namesake from Dawn of War II, specifically in his betrayal option in Chaos Rising, except instead of the Kronus campaign that broke him, it's Yharim's crusade

[fierce pagoda]

toxic gas

[long bloom]

byeah writing is cool i like it

[proud fable]

tysm!!

[fierce pagoda]

aww

[simple tangle]

is this what lead poisoning feels like

[proud fable]

got it, so like, when xeroc assumed zeratros soul… was it like, an accident?

[simple tangle]

its not known

[sacred pilot]

For me my lore of the Terrarian is that they only started having serious ambition after Skeletron was defeated.

[simple tangle]

it may have been a willing act by both parties

xeroc may have done it by force
its not known rly

[long bloom]

it was on purpose, the question is whether zeratros consented or not

[fierce pagoda]

is it true that they will never reveal the specifics of the Xeroc and Zeratros soul steal

[proud fable]

maybe gemer him

[long bloom]

which we probably won't ever know

[proud fable]

he let*

[simple tangle]

this too is doomed yaoi

[sacred pilot]

Like every boss fight has been self-defense. But for Skeletron? They started the fight. They weren't just gonna be a more powerful than average bystander, they want to change this world, anyone, for the better.

To not repeat the same tragedies that were inflicted upon them years ago.

[simple tangle]

u have a pretty damn good reason to fight skeletron

[robust osprey]

they'll probably will at some point

[simple tangle]

i think freeing the old man from the terrible curse is a good enough reason

[long bloom]

i seriously doubt it

[fierce pagoda]

if it gets revealed it was non-consensual my heart might break

im headcanoning it being consensual

[proud fable]

i have a question that might che stupid

[split mortar]

My terrarian worked for draedon, got sent with others to explore distortion and got fucked up™ by noxus somehow and then later started the whole getting to yharims strength thing where they endlessly sacrifice their body mind and soul (literally sacrificing their humanity) to get to yharims level and intend to succeed him
Noxus starts happening and i intend on noxus being such a mcfucking bitch that despite the fact they want to kill xeroc they eventually are forced to work together and take down xeroc and eventually are unable to bring themselves to kill xeroc

[sacred pilot]

And the Wall of Flesh solidified this desire. Because killing it was basically the point of no return for them.

[simple tangle]

my terrarian is like if v1 ultrakill had draedons motivations

[sacred pilot]

That is the reason though.

[robust osprey]

breaks your heart

[proud fable]

have the mech boss (skeletron, twins, destroyer) in the calamity been created by draedon

[fierce pagoda]

💔

[sacred pilot]

Just that it grew into a stronger one for a better, kinder world.

[fierce pagoda]

undertale

[long bloom]

yes

[simple tangle]

can we have more calamity yuri

[proud fable]

cool

[split mortar]

Profaned polycule

[fierce pagoda]

ohhh were bringing up the profaned goddess?

[sacred pilot]

Mine is a survivor from a genocide by Yharim's forces.

[robust osprey]

I love proviyuri

[long bloom]

silva x otonilou

[simple tangle]

its so peak....

[fierce pagoda]

fuck that bitch

[robust osprey]

yuridence

[proud fable]

and the moon lord, he is like in terraria, the once killed by the driads chtulhu?

[fierce pagoda]

Ive said it so many times

[sacred pilot]

I prefer Xeroc x Silva but to each their own.

[simple tangle]

moon lord and fovos are the same being

[long bloom]

vanilla lore is irrelevant to calamity
and moon lord isn't cthulhu

[robust osprey]

peak ?!

[fierce pagoda]

thankt thank thank you devs for allowing me to murderize The Profaned Goddess

I HATE HER!!!

[long bloom]

cthulhu as an entity does not exist

[proud fable]

okok got it

[split mortar]

The celestial bitch has multiple names given to it yeah

[fierce pagoda]

DEATH DEATH TO ALL CALAMITY GODS!!!

[robust osprey]

they are divorced actually

trust

[sacred pilot]

I know she's a maniacal omnicidal goddess but damn what did she do to you.

[sacred pilot]

Ah right.

[fierce pagoda]

she hates life

[sacred pilot]

Yharim's Strongest Godseeker Knight™

[fierce pagoda]

and I love life!!!

so its only natrual

she so soo so stupid

and dumb

[simple tangle]

are you braelor

[split mortar]

-# got ignored…

[robust osprey]

hey yharim, we found one of your soldiers

[fierce pagoda]

like ughgh lets kill everyone to end suffering

[proud fable]

i love so much calamity

[fierce pagoda]

stupid bitch

[proud fable]

peak

[fierce pagoda]

I'LL KILL YOU PROFANED FRAUDDESS

[sacred pilot]

He said he hates Gods so no I don't think so.

[proud fable]

so

[simple tangle]

i did read it its cool.....

[proud fable]

tomorrow

big big update

[split mortar]

Oh thanks

[fierce pagoda]

actually that was me losing control

I like Xeroc and uhm...

the plant girl

[sacred pilot]

Very cool!

[sacred pilot]

Silva?

She's cool I agree.

[robust osprey]

do you like slime god

[fierce pagoda]

Silva! yeah!

[fierce pagoda]

eww hes kinda stinky

[simple tangle]

slime god is just hungry right

[robust osprey]

die

[proud fable]

in tomorrow update, will we see like…

[simple tangle]

hungry being

[robust osprey]

it is a twink tho...

[fierce pagoda]

he just pulls up and wants to kill me

[proud fable]

…murasama rework…?

[fierce pagoda]

like okfuck you too i guess

[proud fable]

[simple tangle]

no

sorry

thats coming later

[sacred pilot]

We should've gotten Slime God a KFC family bucket.

That would've stopped the whole fight.

[fierce pagoda]

you know what I really wanna see

[proud fable]

oh

[fierce pagoda]

I wanna see Brealor and Statis reunite

it would be so sweet

[sacred pilot]

I wanna see them kiss.

[fierce pagoda]

unskippable kissing cutscene

[simple tangle]

caldevs the 5 hour kissing cutscene was a bit unnecessary but i guess its fine

[proud fable]

i mean, it will be a big update right?

[sacred pilot]

Yes.

[long bloom]

the biggest in history

[sacred pilot]

Tons of reworks for a bunch of weapons.

[fierce pagoda]

hoho! bigger than you might think laddie!

[sacred pilot]

God I can't choose which Sentinel I want to kill first.

They all got cool weapons.

[fierce pagoda]

sorry i dont know why i said it like that

[proud fable]

i mean, i think yesterday i had an orgasm when i saw the trailer

[simple tangle]

and the best part! a rework for my favorite weirdo creature

brain....

[proud fable]

AND MORE WHEN I SAW THE DAY OF IT COMING OUT

[sacred pilot]

The spirit of Demoman took over for a second.

[fierce pagoda]

mmm kill uhm the sky worm

cause its kinda stupid

[sacred pilot]

But Ceaseless Void got a cool void katana thing.

[fierce pagoda]

storm weaver

[simple tangle]

yall find brain of cthulhu kinda cute?

[proud fable]

you will laugh, but i never faced crimson

[sacred pilot]

Hudahfuahfuahf.

[fierce pagoda]

ohh true true

[long bloom]

170+ weapons and accessories reworked
2 bosses reworked
4 bosses with updated visuals
tons of new blocks and items
revamped and new structures

[fierce pagoda]

ok kill ceasless hole

[sacred pilot]

I need to sleep so bad.

[fierce pagoda]

ok kill sleep first

[proud fable]

like i always picked corruption because i was used to

[sacred pilot]

Gonna command grab the bed.

[proud fable]

omg

[fierce pagoda]

is it true that the sunken sea is renamed to the sunless sea or did i dream that up

[simple tangle]

iirc thats a fables thing

[long bloom]

dream

[fierce pagoda]

oh okay...

[proud fable]

guys gotta go, it has been so good talking with you

[long bloom]

👋

[proud fable]

promise ill make myself alive again

[fierce pagoda]

I could've swordn there was a post about it in announcements.. but when I went to check it wasnt there

[sacred pilot]

Only for Fables.

[simple tangle]

yeah the sunless sea is a fables thing

[fierce pagoda]

ohh that's what it must be!

phew...

[proud fable]

have a good night guys

[long bloom]

interesting

[fierce pagoda]

I liked the sunken sea name more anyways

cause its sunken get it

[sacred pilot]

I'm gonna make your head sunken.

[fierce pagoda]

well met, well met! and goodnight!

[fierce pagoda]

😼

[simple tangle]

this is what engaging in #lore-discussion feels like

[sacred pilot]

Lowkey yeah.

[fierce pagoda]

look at all those awesome sprites, and then theres Yharon

oopsie

[split mortar]

Yeah 😭

[celest rover]

is heart of the elements a polycule: discuss

[sacred pilot]

Yes.

[fierce pagoda]

ummmm no

[long bloom]

maybe

[sacred pilot]

Kill him.

[fierce pagoda]

they hate each other

and dont say toxic yuri

[simple tangle]

toxic yuri

[sacred pilot]

Toxic yuri.

[simple tangle]

silva and anahita had a breakup

[fierce pagoda]

that's it im killing profaned goddess again

to vent

[simple tangle]

luckily leviathan was there

to comfort her

[long bloom]

[fierce pagoda]

uglyyyy

[simple tangle]

silva x anahita is toxic yuri
leviathan x anahita is wholesome yuri

[fierce pagoda]

I killed the leviathan and anahita for loot

but you cant really kill her can you?

cuz unless you kill water she'll always be back

but leviathan... byebye ugly!!

[long bloom]

levi may or may not have been created by her

[fierce pagoda]

hmm.. then I suppose it is in an eternal cycle of being killed by me...

sorry Leviathan, such is the fate of being a boss in a game

[wanton pendant]

Considering how Elementals work, it's not out of the question Leviathan IS Anahita.

[simple tangle]

old levi sprite was cuter

[fierce pagoda]

oh my glob, waterwraithgaming

[simple tangle]

looked gentle like some kind of whale or the like

[long bloom]

it was also nearly incomprehensible

[fierce pagoda]

whale

now it's big and fat

[long bloom]

curse of ziggums

[simple tangle]

was the sprite incomprehensible? very much so
was it cute? imo yes

[long bloom]

apparently in that image old levi is like 2x bigger than in the actual game

[simple tangle]

LOL?

calreddit moment?

[long bloom]

truly

[split mortar]

I think it was a bug that doubled or trippled her size

[wanton pendant]

Of course.
It's not that fortress boss that got scrapped.

[long bloom]

andromeda

[simple tangle]

the BIGGEST boss in TERRARIA mod history!!!!!!!

[long bloom]

how does that even happen 😭

[split mortar]

Accidentally put 3 instead of 1 for pixel soze idk

[dusk laurel]

wasnt there an even older one that was the size of the screen

[split mortar]

Wait she used to be even bigger

[long bloom]

it was around the same size iirc

[dusk laurel]

okay so a yharon 2017 resprite situation

[fierce pagoda]

yharon new sprite leak incident

one of many calamity mod incidents

what an incidentful community we are!

[raven brook]

how incidentful

[long bloom]

hello chees
the horse is gone

[fierce pagoda]

incidentallacious

sorry..

[sacred pilot]

Uhhhh.

Hm.

What anime opening would fit Calamity.

[raven brook]

i cant think of any in particular

[sacred pilot]

What about Mukanjyo by Survive Said the Prophet.

[fierce pagoda]

dragon ball opening chala headchala

[sacred pilot]

It was made for Vinland Saga.

[sacred pilot]

Sure why not.

[fierce pagoda]

not because of anything particular I just like chala headchala

[raven brook]

generally openings try to fit in with the story either through lyrics and/or tone

and i cant think of any animes and by proxy openings that have similar stories to calamity

[fierce pagoda]

dungeon meshi

cuz uhm Dragons

[simple tangle]

tastiest cal boss?

[long bloom]

hive mind

[fierce pagoda]

holy flip

[raven brook]

boss taste discussion

[dusk laurel]

did you know, in the calamity mod, the terrarian is evil because you play as the terrarian and kill anything on sight because you crave enjoyment, thats right, you are evil and theres nothing you can do about it

[long bloom]

yes this already existed
no i don't know why

[fierce pagoda]

probably Yharim or Permafrost or Calamitas

cause they are like made of proper meat

[raven brook]

bros a cannibal

[fierce pagoda]

and we can cook and eat them

[dusk laurel]

Here's how i'll torture you david

[sacred pilot]

Perforators.

That or Leviathan.

[simple tangle]

?? f does that mean

[fierce pagoda]

Im blanking on the other animal bosses so i just defaulted to the first ones i knew

that were made of (probably) safe meat

[raven brook]

Here's how i'll torture you david

[long bloom]

dragonfolly

[raven brook]

bro thats divine Evil Magic Flesh its probably gonna fucking kill you if you eat it

[fierce pagoda]

oh yeah good one!

Dragonfolly...

oh or maybe Yharon

[simple tangle]

what did i do

[fierce pagoda]

fucking Yharon would probably taste amazing

[long bloom]

:walterheisenbergwhite:

[mighty zenith]

time is a circle

[raven brook]

surely we have a more interesting topic to discuss

[mighty zenith]

and it just hit 12 am

[raven brook]

surely we dont need to do Boss Taste Discussion

[fierce pagoda]

Cryogen Icecream

[sacred pilot]

Mama raised no coward.

She raised a dumbass.

[raven brook]

surely

[fierce pagoda]

oh okay I''ll stop

[mighty zenith]

dont call me shirley

[simple tangle]

everyone is meanies to me...

[fierce pagoda]

let me think of something else...

[sacred pilot]

I think you're cool.

[long bloom]

ro
roxcalibu

[raven brook]

here's how i'll torture you, david.

[sacred pilot]

Roxycalibur.

[fierce pagoda]

is roxcalibur canon

[simple tangle]

NO I DONT WANNA TALK ABOUT ROXCALIBUR!

[raven brook]

isnt it donor

[fierce pagoda]

oh right

[raven brook]

then no ig

[sacred pilot]

Roxycalibur.

[raven brook]

not like the canonicty of weapons is often particularly relevant

[fierce pagoda]

okok, tell me how Old Duke built castles

he doesnt even have hands

[mighty zenith]

child labor

[fierce pagoda]

did he get someone to do it for him?

[raven brook]

Probably

[fierce pagoda]

oh...

[raven brook]

Probalby yeah

[long bloom]

riddle me this liberal

[raven brook]

He has like

slaves

[simple tangle]

castles

what castles

[fierce pagoda]

but his kids dont even have hands

mouth hands

[mighty zenith]

they dont need hands when theres enough of them

[long bloom]

jade palace..

[raven brook]

Also old duke is getting redesigned anyways so

maybe he will have hands

who knows

[simple tangle]

does the old duke own a palace?!

[raven brook]

maybe some of his slaves have hands

[mighty zenith]

he will have very buff arms

[long bloom]

reaper shark

[raven brook]

Yeah supposedly

Its in the plans triangle has for him i think

[fierce pagoda]

only supposedly?

hm..

[raven brook]

Cuz its not ingame yet and we only know it bcuz of some vague ideas triangle talked abt before

[simple tangle]

he rly is a bum...

[raven brook]

Si i'm not sure how "agreed upon" it is rn

[long bloom]

anyway if roxcalibur donor then why lore

[raven brook]

It literally is a donor item though ,it's from, uh, forgot his name

I dont think the sturcutrie ls ore

p sure stip said so too

[long bloom]

[fierce pagoda]

roxcalibur from pus in the boots movie

remember it was there

[raven brook]

It's just a cool looking structure for it to spawn on

[dusk laurel]

Old Duke's goal is to create a new Duke to replace him when the Calamity Ninjas come to put him in the rework and redesign soup so that the mod will continue to be cursed.

[raven brook]

tobias nufclear terror ...

[long bloom]

idk that first line of text seems loreful

[raven brook]

I think it's just some flavour text

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

let me try finding stip's message

There we go

[long bloom]

dies

[dusk laurel]

april 2025...

have i really been here since summer 2024

[simple tangle]

can we see some love for nuclear terror

[raven brook]

tobias nuclear terror

[long bloom]

post it

[raven brook]

rest in peace caldev tobias

[split mortar]

Oh fuck ive been here since autumn/winter of 2024

[simple tangle]

so. are the acid rain mini bosses evolutionary byproducts of the acid rain being so fucked up
specifically is nuclear terror draedon's fault

[dusk laurel]

My first message was the 10th of June, 2024 😢

[long bloom]

i've been here since spring 2021 👴

[fierce pagoda]

what no way, my first message in this server was in 2021

[fierce pagoda]

hoho!

[raven brook]

nuclear terror is a mutant

both in the old and new design

just

very different. flavours of mutant

[simple tangle]

it had an old design?

[split mortar]

Eh my first messages were before my activity but i werent really real here till this time

[long bloom]

current

[raven brook]

it Has an old design

yeah

[simple tangle]

oh

is the new design public by chance

[raven brook]

theres a upcoming redesing though im unsure what will become of it now that tobias retired. seems like the art team is generally fine with keeping tobias's designs nor did he pull them so

yeah its public

[long bloom]

a wip is

[raven brook]

ye

[fierce pagoda]

is there even a single boss left that hasnt been redesigned at some point anymore?

[raven brook]

nuclear terror is the body horror ghoul now

[long bloom]

iirc triangle will complete them

[dusk laurel]

btw so that nobody is confused tobias's nuclear terror design likely wont be used (no there wasnt much elaboration past that, and it was before he left)

[raven brook]

i mean

arguably signus

[fierce pagoda]

that's why hes so gugly

[raven brook]

signus's design has basically kinda stayed the same forever

[long bloom]

in terms of resprites there's aqua scourge and polter

[raven brook]

even with then ew sprite

its still like

more or less the same design

just polished up

which honestly makes sense cuz sisgnus's desgin has always been like

good in concept

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

its just the sprite sucking that made them bad in execution

[fierce pagoda]

mouth form

[raven brook]

like if u compare the upcoming signus resprite

ti really isnt that different of a design

[fierce pagoda]

obligatory signus male joke

[dusk laurel]

i like how with every consecutive signus resprite he got more teeth on his face

[raven brook]

i love his freaky t eeth eyes

[pulsar ocean]

Yharon

[simple tangle]

what is THAT

[simple tangle]

im scared

[raven brook]

thats hte ld signus phase 2 sprite

old

[simple tangle]

he used to look like this? damn

[dusk laurel]

also iirc cit or lilac said on the last calcast video with gp that the sword form for the signus resprite got scrapped but smth else will replace it

[long bloom]

fuuuuuck

[raven brook]

Like yeah he did get redesigned a bit but

Compare to some other bosses

[simple tangle]

is storm weaver gonna receive a sprite change aat some point or is my boy safe ❤️

[fierce pagoda]

like

[raven brook]

And most of the core elements of the design are still the same

[fierce pagoda]

holy shit

[raven brook]

"safe"

[long bloom]

unsafe

[raven brook]

yeah it will

[simple tangle]

good

[raven brook]

look i'm a massive weaver fan and i'm glad he's getting a resprite 😭

I would not want everyhting else to look way better while weaver is old and decrepit

[simple tangle]

hes pretty generic rn true

[dusk laurel]

triangle will save weaver trust

[fierce pagoda]

is he gonna get like, a giant red spot on his tail,

like typical boss weakspot highlight

[simple tangle]

im excited for polterghast redesign

current polt looks like a nothing

[long bloom]

fight will be changed to no longer suck 👍

so no need

[fierce pagoda]

ohh okayy

oo lala

sorry..

[dusk laurel]

k

[raven brook]

my name is signus i made the deals

[long bloom]

if ur gonna be weird at least embrace it and don't apologize

[raven brook]

it was difficult to get statis to agree

but something went so wrong and now i cnat do anything but be a glorified miniboss

[simple tangle]

it was difficult to put the limbs together

[fierce pagoda]

okay

oo lala

[long bloom]

🔥

[fierce pagoda]

lalaland the movie

[long bloom]

cinema

[dusk laurel]

i love this fucker's new design so much

[raven brook]

actually just dont be weird but saying oo lala isnt even weird so

[dusk laurel]

i hope his update comes with some dungeon content

[raven brook]

yweah new polter is fucking awesome

[simple tangle]

i dont quite get what this wip is goin for rn

[dusk laurel]

itd be a good excuse to change some of the generation and add new enemies

[raven brook]

i love the idea of it having variants based of the 3 diff dungeon factions too

[raven brook]

post ml dragon skull enemy trust

[dusk laurel]

🙏

[long bloom]

possessed armor but huge

[simple tangle]

i supposse i kind of expected it to lean on the amalgam part and less on the polter part

[sacred pilot]

The Polterghast resprite is absolutely beautiful.

[long bloom]

it'll crawl on the walls

[raven brook]

it's still an amalgalm

[long bloom]

this is just phase 1

[raven brook]

it's an amalgalm wearing armor[

[raven brook]

phase 1 is armor, phase 2 is flesh, phase 3 is spirit

you tear through the layers

[simple tangle]

wait

cooking

[fierce pagoda]

oh schlimbo... polterboy will turn into another worm boss

[raven brook]

kills you with a hammer

big hammer

[dusk laurel]

what if you die

[simple tangle]

will it work like a jungle creeper

[fierce pagoda]

now this is just unwarranted!

[long bloom]

phase 3 he'll go batshit and just be his spirit/essence

[dusk laurel]

closer to sepulcher

[simple tangle]

i suppose a better comparison is if sepulcher was not a worm yeag

[dusk laurel]

but like, uniquer

[fierce pagoda]

okay im i crazy if i say number 3 looks cute

[raven brook]

And there are gonna b possibly variants

[simple tangle]

i love the sepulcher

i love metaphors

[long bloom]

metaphor staff

[raven brook]

based of the 3 different dungeon factions

hell, rusted and blue

and also uhh

tobias said that itd be cool if its armor could be randomzied basically

like

its made of different parts of the 3 variants

rather than just being 1 whole variant

but idk if thatsa actually happening

[simple tangle]

that sounds like an awesome feature

[long bloom]

i thought the whole armor would change between attempts

[fierce pagoda]

and when you get lucky and all parts match, it gets a set bonus and gets enraged

[raven brook]

it would b p cool though yeah

anbd definitely fit the

amalgalm idea

[simple tangle]

brim elemental will be resprited one day ❤️

[fierce pagoda]

the new polterghast design may be one of the best redesigns I've ever seen in calamity mod

like from plantera clone to an actual proper cool aura boss

[dusk laurel]

also the polterghast redesign gives it a fucking massive greatsword

[long bloom]

🔥

[fierce pagoda]

ooof

[dusk laurel]

why? because its awesome and auraful

[fierce pagoda]

it's just oooozing with aura

[dusk laurel]

she will get a dress and actually look cool instead of

that

[fierce pagoda]

haha! hahaha!

[simple tangle]

i remember seeing a sprite of her with a dress i dont remember if it was official or not tho

like way back

[split mortar]

And then become a sapient explosion

[dusk laurel]

official but scrapped

[fierce pagoda]

people were afraid to critique brimstone elemental under the fabsol dictatorship!!

[long bloom]

i still don't get why dia's was scrapped

[dusk laurel]

the same design will be used but it just wont be fabsolified

[split mortar]

Wai huh

[fierce pagoda]

hehe, so glad we can critique all the fabsol designs without fear now

brimstone elemental SUUUUCCCKSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dusk laurel]

one of the two fights that lag my game

the other is aquatic scourge

[long bloom]

wgat

[robust osprey]

indeed

[fierce pagoda]

oh and remember Fabsols weird banners, they sucked tooo

so freeing

anyways getting off topic sorry

[split mortar]

What

[long bloom]

whats confusing

[split mortar]

I didnt know they were scrapped

[long bloom]

idk that's what vanillin says

[dusk laurel]

the sprite was scrapped not the design

[split mortar]

Ah ok

[long bloom]

still sucks

[fierce pagoda]

but what if the new sprite is incredible

will it still suck then

[long bloom]

probably

[zenith geode]

its not weird ass claw thing so its immediate -a million/10 we need to kill the artist

[long bloom]

whgat claw

[zenith geode]

the thing it is right now

[woeful karma]

qhar

[craggy sparrow]

Do you guys think yharim will still fall for a pressure plate boulder trap

[woeful karma]

yharim would stroll into a cave like he owns the place and get crushed under a comical number of boulders

hed be fine though

[robust osprey]

auric boulder

[dusk laurel]

the landmine...

[icy veldt]

Given the lasting effects of Yharim's crusade, she's not exactly wrong

[woeful karma]

what

[icy veldt]

What what

[winged ridge]

my nuclear throne reference beast 💔 💔

[steel ginkgo]

😔

[sinful adder]

current brimmy design is pretty good too IMO

the fight is lame tho

hot takes the elementals SHOULD be hot lady

the sand elemental is and she's in vanilla

[woeful karma]

theres

a pretty significant difference between this

and this

and that scrapped sprite had even BIGGER boobs

😭

[green prairie]

can we please get the brimmy resprite or at least downsize them good lord i hate this sprite

[steel ginkgo]

At the very least, it should be an unofficial addon for bigger breasticals

[woeful karma]

it also like

[woeful karma]

has optical illusion nipples?? like theyre objectively not there on the sprite but it looks like they exist when you zoom out

[woeful karma]

brother.

[green prairie]

no it should just not exist

i dont mind brimmy being feminine but the world will function without the giant tits

[light linden]

why does this matter to you?

[green prairie]

gooner /j

[woeful karma]

infected with the fabspores

[green prairie]

i can forgive annoying boss design but i do not forgive abhorrent boss design

[spare pier]

Fabspores is crazy

[raven brook]

Looks at the several other suspiciously not boob woman shaped elementals in vanilla

Brimmy's design is lame as hell also

There is no character, no originality, there's Nothing

it is as abasic as you can get it's a silhouette of a woman. made of fire. and with jiggle physics

because of course

also yeah what octo said sand elemental isn't even designed to be attractive, brimstone elemtnal uh. very much is

a very bad attempt at it since shes not attractive at all in my humble opinion but yk

the intent is there

[late veldt]

which one?

[worldly spindle]

we know what you are

[agile matrix]

who made the sprites for the elementals?

why did they want Bazongas on their elementals

[raven brook]

:idk: im pretty sure they were made by different people

[eager bluff]

anahita was iban i think

[raven brook]

Anahita wasn't made by the same person who made Brimmy

[late veldt]

yeah I'm someone who doesn't keep up with the history of scrapped terraria sprites

[raven brook]

and Anahita is an actually good design so

[agile matrix]

checks out

[late veldt]

and GAY

[worldly spindle]

FUCK

[agile matrix]

i mean as like. a Patron Saint of a place maybe they deserve Gagongas but like

[worldly spindle]

I don't really mind her. With how good the rest of the art in the mod is, I have little reason to complain about the one instance of fan service.

It was earned imo

[eager bluff]

its not even fanservice nobody was asking for it

[agile matrix]

better than putting jajoogles on like. Scal

[simple tangle]

hi cal lore

[raven brook]

yeah its not even fanservice its just fabsol indulging himself 😭

[agile matrix]

(yes i am using the most Obtuse Language to refer to that)

[raven brook]

And frankly i won't lie

[agile matrix]

how do you even ask for this

[raven brook]

People who find Brimstone Elemental to be attractive

Dude your taste sucks

[worldly spindle]

I use that term broadly. Because I know I sure as hell never asked for it when it's used in anime.

[raven brook]

respectfully

Not you as in anyone here

like broadly

[agile matrix]

"hey man they dont got big enough jogoogles. make them melon sized"

[raven brook]

This is a Pixel Art Sprite of a Woman Silhouette that's Red with Big Boobs

[eager bluff]

considering its fabsol very bluntly

[raven brook]

there'sw nothing appealing or interesting about her whatsoever

in any sense

nor in the actual sense of atractiveness nor in the sense of, well

being a Good Design

[agile matrix]

the primal instinct of people

[raven brook]

yuou want a good Woman Elemental design?

[agile matrix]

what the Fuck is this

[raven brook]

anahita is right there

shes cool

[late veldt]

oh wow

[eager bluff]

alternatively even cloudy

[raven brook]

It's actually a much better design but dia went a bit uh. too far with the bazonkers yeah 😭

he said he'd srhink them cuz

he didnt notice

[agile matrix]

if i can call this Oversprited

[raven brook]

how fucking big he made them

until said it and hten he was liek

"oh shit youre right wtf"

[late veldt]

that does not fit at all for a primal being of fire

[raven brook]

How so

[woeful karma]

anahita my belovedd,,

[agile matrix]

this is not Fire this is Plants

does that make snese

[raven brook]

no its literally fire

shes brimstone

shes fire

[agile matrix]

i know it Has fire on it

[eager bluff]

fire can be motherly

[agile matrix]

but its not visually fire

its visually plants

[eager bluff]

see: hestia

[woeful karma]

she does look fl0wery

[raven brook]

what are either of yo utalking about

[late veldt]

that is a cool design but also what the fuck that is not brimmy

[agile matrix]

Yeah Lol

[raven brook]

Cloud elemental currently has valkyrie armor in her design

[woeful karma]

theyre saying she doesnt look firey

which i can agree with

[agile matrix]

she looks kinda like the Ant from Silksong?

[late veldt]

that is an opulent goddess of beauty not. a primal fire being

[agile matrix]

the Big One

[agile matrix]

Yeah

[raven brook]

Valid but that was worded horribly

😭

[woeful karma]

^

[agile matrix]

im running on fmes

fumes*

my phrasing is Obtuse and Strange

[raven brook]

be less obtuse and strange

smh

[eager bluff]

go to sleep or drink some coffee or an energy drink or something

[raven brook]

anyways i can see that yeah

I think her having a dress is a cool concept

[agile matrix]

if i drink energizing drinks im gonna have a Panic Attack

[simple tangle]

i like the dress

[raven brook]

but the design of the dress itself could use work

[agile matrix]

what happened to that other design that was like

very Orange

[simple tangle]

idk if the colors aare rly

that

[agile matrix]

and less Slouchy

[raven brook]

scrapped years ago

it was 22

[late veldt]

me?

[eager bluff]

the old iban one yeah that was scrapped before 22

[raven brook]

emerald look at the message right above that

[raven brook]

The colours i think dont feel particularly fitting

They don't feel very fiery yeah

[simple tangle]

yeag

[late veldt]

i already made a joke about being a calamity and Undertale fan and a Tumblr user

[raven brook]

It's not like a Fire design has to be completeny and all fire

but i do think that design leans a bit too much on not fire

Fire feels secondary

when it yk should be primary

[woeful karma]

yea

[late veldt]

this wolf is devoid of Brian cells I want to bite into a gusher the size of a pillow

[agile matrix]

you do Not

[simple tangle]

the idea of the dress i think should stay but priorities could be moved somewhere else haha

[late veldt]

BRAIN

FUCK

[raven brook]

I think its definitely better than the current design by a mile still just by virtue of it .being a design

But it could use seome tweaks yeah i think these r valid crituqes

Dress is cool, but the particular way its executed is not the best for brimmy in particular imo

[worldly spindle]

BRAINSTORM FOR $50

[late veldt]

I think it's too. intelligent

[raven brook]

I think you could keep the long flowy flower-esque dress look while still fitting better with the character

[simple tangle]

aalso yeah...downscale the boobs im sorry like
no

[raven brook]

Like

[raven brook]

yeah this is already being done

dia literally didn't notice how big the boobs were until someone pointed it out

and then he was like

fuck youre right

[raven brook]

Like

guys

brimstone crag flowers

theyre right there

wink wink nudge nudge

[late veldt]

also yeah the boobs are...

fabsolian

[woeful karma]

im imagining a cluster of brian griffins like an stom

[woeful karma]

to close to the 22 design prob..

[worldly spindle]

What do y'all think of the other elemental designs at least

[raven brook]

the boobs weren't even made that big for like sex appeal or something dia deadass just did not fucking register how big he made those bazoinkers 😭 😭

it was funny

[raven brook]

Anahita good

I like anahita

[woeful karma]

I FUCKING LOVE ANAHITA

[raven brook]

The rest uhh i dont really carea bout them frankly

[woeful karma]

SHES SO..

[raven brook]

i feel nothing

they exist

[eager bluff]

anahita is good cloudy is passable

[woeful karma]

cloudy is ok

[late veldt]

that's hilarious

[compact ridge]

I like silva she s cool

[woeful karma]

sandy is vanilla but i like her

[simple tangle]

i kinda f/w rare elemental in a vacuum shes cute but she doesnt have much going on

[raven brook]

well true silva too

[woeful karma]

feral evil woman

[worldly spindle]

I see

[raven brook]

silva is like

ok

i have osme critiques towards silva

but less so as a elemental

[late veldt]

like I mean I just imagine brimmy as more. wild. the fabric is too human

[raven brook]

an dmore so as a detiy of life

She's not a bad design

[late veldt]

she has a throne of brimstone not of gold

[raven brook]

but i think shes a bit uninspired

[worldly spindle]

idk, I just don't mind any of them at all

[simple tangle]

i like silva :)

[raven brook]

I mind brimstone elemental Alot and i'm indifferent to positive on the others

Anahita is still the best one imo

[worldly spindle]

kinda figured that out

[raven brook]

I really don't have any crititiques to her design

she's just Good

Silva my issues with

are nowhere near as big as with brimmy

And it's mostly just

[late veldt]

oh shit you're cheese I didn't register that

[woeful karma]

silva has too much human and plant

[raven brook]

i think it's really boring to make a deity of life just Plant Person when there's so much diversity in all sorts of different forms of life

[compact ridge]

Yeah fair

[raven brook]

Idm her being humanoid because of how gods like, Work

but i wish she incorporated far more elements of different forms of life

Rather than just

[woeful karma]

wheres the fungi the animals

[raven brook]

Plant and a bit of Deer

[compact ridge]

I think it leans into the plant aspect bc she’s the elemental of plants I think

[simple tangle]

i kinda wish theyd lean a bit more into the like, satyr angle? give her more goat-like traits!

[raven brook]

That wouldnt really

fix my issues frankly

congrats

[woeful karma]

no i mean

[raven brook]

now you went from Plant and a bit of Deer

to Plant and a bit of Goat

It's still pretty misrepresenting of the diversity of life imo

[woeful karma]

shes not just humanoid but human

[raven brook]

And kinda uninspired, still

She's cute yeah and not really a, bad design per say

But i can't help but feel it's missed potential

[woeful karma]

like she has a human shape yeah but also human meat on that shape

[late veldt]

I like the design but I can see why you'd want more than just plant

[woeful karma]

she should have a leg made of mushrooms

[late veldt]

to me I always think of her domain as plant anyways

[simple tangle]

im honestly not quite sure what u could do without having the design feel a bit cluttered honestly

[raven brook]

Sometimes a design being cluttered isn't necessarily a bad thing

Life is chaotic

[woeful karma]

yea

the stuff doesnt necessarily have to be on her body either

[compact ridge]

I think if it leaned further into the plant features that could also be something cool bc she is the elemental of them and gods seem pretty affected by their previous self

[raven brook]

She's not a plant elemental

She's a nature elemental

[compact ridge]

Fair

[raven brook]

So like. literally the same logic applies really

[woeful karma]

it can be represented on clothes as well

[raven brook]

Why is she so Plant when she's meant to represent so much more

Anahita stays winning cuz i genuinely like

cant think of any critiques for her design

at all

[late veldt]

yeah

I mean has it changed at all lately

[compact ridge]

I mean nature is a very broad element compared to like all the other ones lol

I was saw it basically meaning plant

[raven brook]

FISH CULTURAL VICTORY ☝️ ☝️☝️☝️☝️

[woeful karma]

yes exactly

but her design is so narrow

[simple tangle]

providence keeps winning for being one of the few female designs in calamity that isn't. woman

[late veldt]

shout-out to when we made providence woman anyways

[raven brook]

Cloud elemental is turning into Be Not Afraid soon its okay

[woeful karma]

thats because she was originally a guy

[compact ridge]

Sky Elemental my beloved

[raven brook]

thank you fabsol

[simple tangle]

woaah shes trans
good for her!

[woeful karma]

fab would have certainly gkven her bazonkers otherwise

[compact ridge]

Yeah checks out

[late veldt]

rockzonkers

[compact ridge]

Bazrockers?

[simple tangle]

providence unintentionally most woke design in calamity

[raven brook]

ghoul

[compact ridge]

Beautiful specimen

[simple tangle]

❤️

[late veldt]

is she still a woman and can I have her number

[woeful karma]

bible angels my love

[compact ridge]

Cloud elemental is its baby extension thing

[raven brook]

uhhhhh i dont know but id say yes probably

itd be cool if she still was

becasue yeah having morefemale characters who arent just . women would b neat

[late veldt]

yay

[simple tangle]

tbh if i had a main critique of silva is like.
compare her to agnus