lore-discussion

[dusk laurel]

what

[final kindle]

and real life elements

and stuff like that

[raven brook]

Also that's just like wrong

[long bloom]

3d calamity discussion

[final kindle]

animals, plants, etc

[raven brook]

like just objectively wrong

like plain and utterly wrong

[final kindle]

if you're gonna have some form of real life at least make sure to pick the right amount of dimensions basically

[raven brook]

No not really not at all sorry man

Games aren't about being realistic unless their goal is explicitly to be realistic

Whether they have real elements or not dosen't matter at all if the goal is not to be realistic

Unless you were to be making a realistic simulator game then no

3d is not objectively better

it depends on what the game is

what do you want to do with it, what is the game design for it, what are its mechanics, etc

[final kindle]

agario would suck as 3D

[raven brook]

games are Entertainment

[final kindle]

but terraria would be better as 3D

[raven brook]

No it really wouldn't

It really, really wouldn't

[dusk laurel]

terraria is completely designed to be a 2d game

[raven brook]

3d terraria would quite simply just not be terraria. it wouldn't be "better" or "worse"

it's just a different game

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[final kindle]

a different game that I believe is better in every way

[long bloom]

you want hytale

you're talking about hytale

[final kindle]

yup

[raven brook]

a belief that shows you lack understanding of how game design works

Now, having preference is fine

[long bloom]

then don't talk about terraria

[raven brook]

But saying it'd be "better" is just plain wrong

[final kindle]

terraria is more fun than hytale because hytale has no content in its current state, neither does Minecraft or any mods of it

[dusk laurel]

okay

[split mortar]

I dont agree

[long bloom]

ok minecraft isn't great but saying it has no content is insane

[dusk laurel]

anyways i believe in my personal opinion this discussion would fit elsewhere

[final kindle]

It's severely underwhelming after 200 hours of doing everything

[split mortar]

Terraria for me is just sorta too much based on working for 2D that it would need a innately different vision to work somewhat in 3D and so by then its not terraria and so i would almost certainly prefer terraria to it

[long bloom]

underwhelming yes, but there's stuff

just not very good stuff

[sinful adder]

That's your opinion, and your opinion is stupid

[raven brook]

Don't conflate personal preference with objective quality

[raven brook]

Also don't be unecessarily aggressive

No need to do insults

[sinful adder]

If you don't like it then stop playing terraria and leave

Yeah ok fair enough

[final kindle]

no, it's a video game preference. it cannot be stupid

[long bloom]

debatable

[final kindle]

yeah? I don't play the game all the time, matter of fact, I have less than 1k hours

but it's a very good game

[raven brook]

If you're simply saying you have a preference for 3d games, then that's your opinion and its fine as again, video games are a form of entertainment and differennt people are entertained different ways

It is simply saying that terraria would be better as a 3d that's just wrong

Czu that's not presented as a opinion, but as a objective

[final kindle]

and you've provided no reasons as to why

[split mortar]

Its a personal preference of yours you are presenting as fact when its not a fact you are stating it first so give us the undeniable proof that bypasses all subjective opinion that 3D is better

[long bloom]

because then it's not terraria

so it fundamentally cannot be a better version of terraria

[final kindle]

There's no objectively better when you're talking about video games

[zenith geode]

terraria only functions in 2d

[long bloom]

yes there is

[final kindle]

example?

[split mortar]

So then 3D games being better then 2D cant be a fact just a preference

[long bloom]

having a game where getting hit once puts you in an infinite death loop is objectively bad design

[final kindle]

not if I make it so everytime you die the neuralink nanobot injects your brain with stimulants constantly that make you happier

in that case it would be perfect

[long bloom]

that would have negative long term effects

[final kindle]

negative according to who?

[long bloom]

science

[final kindle]

the person dying happier than anyone else has every lived?

[split mortar]

Wouldnt that fry your receptors and thus make normal life seem miserable

[long bloom]

do you know how dopamine works

it'd quickly desensitize you

it's like an addiction

[final kindle]

an addicting game is a good game

we've succeeded

[long bloom]

no

[zenith geode]

gambling.... is... good...?

slot machine....... good...?

[final kindle]

depends on your worldview

[split mortar]

Time to gamble away my life savings

[final kindle]

like I said, there's no objective

[long bloom]

addictions are objectively bad i think idk

[final kindle]

you can't argue an objective

[final kindle]

no

[zenith geode]

tip: slot machines are objectively the worst way to profit in a casino

they have by FAR the worst EV of anything there

[final kindle]

you can say that's what makes it fun, because you get the highest high when you do actually profit

it's challenging

to some

[long bloom]

what benefit does being addicted to something provide for your overall quality of life

[final kindle]

you're happier

[zenith geode]

challenging
theres no challenge you just push a button

[long bloom]

[zenith geode]

or pull a lever

at least with the card games theres some control you have

[long bloom]

tell me you know absolutely nothing about addictions without telling me

[wanton pendant]

The whole point of gambling is that it's not a challenge, it's chance.
What the hell are you all talking about?

[split mortar]

Most addictions i hear make it so you do that to feel normal not happy eventually

[final kindle]

I'm saying this because when I say 3D Terraria would allow for much more complex combat, mechanics, builds, enemies etc etc you're gonna say no complex is bad no 3D movement bad

when it's good

[zenith geode]

hell, the games where you do have control are the ones that have the highest EV

[wanton pendant]

Tell that to Bubsy.

[final kindle]

basically there's no objective here, everyone has different preferences

[zenith geode]

bosses like empress, scal and dog cannot function in 3d

[long bloom]

if there's no objective then you can't say that would be good

[final kindle]

they can if you code them to do

[long bloom]

they'd be completely different

[zenith geode]

scal would need to have her projectile density cranked WAY the fuck up to the point where your camera is completely blocked

[final kindle]

you're telling me the word good has no meaning because I can't define it, that's fair.

neither can you define it though

objectively

[long bloom]

i think this argument is becoming circular

[zenith geode]

you'd need to redesign basically every boss from the ground up due to another dimension and the lack of an outsider's view

[final kindle]

it's always this way when you talk about objectivity

and video game preferences

because as long as we hypothesize about a game that doesn't exist and try to compare it to a game that does, the argument won't go anywhere

[long bloom]

then why are you arguing

[final kindle]

It's engaging

[wanton pendant]

How is it that you argue for both sides?

[split mortar]

Fhis why i imagine

[long bloom]

lore discussion

what's up with roxcalibur

[final kindle]

the what

[long bloom]

roxcalibur lore

what do it mean

[final kindle]

hell I know we don't even have the SSO in question

[long bloom]

this spoiler was 9 months ago

[wanton pendant]

Once again, implying Azafure isn't actually the first city, just the first known city.

[final kindle]

What I wonder is why do we have 5 continents

it feels completely random and artificial

[long bloom]

for worldbuilding

[final kindle]

I feel like 2 or 3 is enough to explain everything

5 is mad and puts unrealistic expectations

[wanton pendant]

Why does real life have seven?

[long bloom]

there's the heartlands, brazil, evil hell continent and the 2 smaller ones

[split mortar]

O thought hell was among smaller ones

[wanton pendant]

Surely we don't need Australia and Antartica.

[final kindle]

because plate tectonics??

[wanton pendant]

There you go.

[split mortar]

Unrealistic when irl has like 5-7?

[long bloom]

is it?

[dusk laurel]

the writers arent obligated to explain every single detail about each continent

[final kindle]

unrealistic when it comes to a 2D block game

[dusk laurel]

????

[final kindle]

we're NEVER getting 5 large+ worlds in 1 playthrough

[dusk laurel]

so

[woeful karma]

😭

[dusk laurel]

we never leave this continent

[final kindle]

there's no reason for inaccessible continents to exist in the long run

[split mortar]

When was that a requirement for the world to canonically have other continents

[long bloom]

obviously??????

[dusk laurel]

thats why you are always in one place

[final kindle]

what if I want to leave?

[woeful karma]

for????

wordbuilding????

[split mortar]

Go make an addon or someshit idfk

[woeful karma]

to tell a story??

[wanton pendant]

Too bad.

[dusk laurel]

make it yourself and use the lore about them as a base

[wanton pendant]

Worldbuilding.

[final kindle]

2-3 is enough to fullfil all established world building

[long bloom]

why

who decided that

[split mortar]

Why must that be the limit tho

[wanton pendant]

So?

[dusk laurel]

these limits are arbitrary

[final kindle]

because quality over quantity

[dusk laurel]

????

[long bloom]

😭

[woeful karma]

man

antarcticas worldbuilding fucking sucks

[dusk laurel]

we live in a society

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Antartica is bad writing then.

[woeful karma]

we should have quality over quantity in our landmass

[split mortar]

This feels like the most useless argument to use this on

[woeful karma]

who even needs the middle part of america anyways its not essential to fulfil the worldbuilding

[final kindle]

to me right now, it looks like you placed 5 land masses and half of them are entirely empty and we have zero idea what they would look like

[dusk laurel]

because

the lore

is not

finished

[woeful karma]

thats what a world looks like

[long bloom]

😭 😭 😭

the mod is incomplete

including the lore

[dusk laurel]

guys earth was basically empty 3 billion years ago why does it exist

[split mortar]

Guy finds out unfinished lore of places not immediately needed for the plot is undeveloped

[final kindle]

you can make it easier to finish if you reduce the amount of continents since we all know you're never getting to experience those 5 continents in any shape or form in-game

[long bloom]

why does mars exist there's nothing there

[woeful karma]

if you want a video game land where every location serves a purpose thats great but thats not what calamity is going for

[wanton pendant]

Scrap Australia and Antartica, got it.

[split mortar]

Theres supposedly a crystal city
We dont fucking know shit of it its from one dev statement
But its there

[long bloom]

the other continents will only have a tiny fraction of the information the heartlands does

this is such a non issue

please get a real problem

like eol lore

[wanton pendant]

What the hell was Todd Howard thinking when he made Skyrim?

[final kindle]

which is why I think putting that info into less continents gives a better sense of underlying lore depth than otherwise

[long bloom]

why though

there is no reason

[split mortar]

Theyre places we will never go to theres no reason for them to have that much focus on them

[long bloom]

it's completely arbitrary

[final kindle]

because the player would ask less questions about simple things that are for some unknown reason kept a mystery even though technically it should be easy to obtain information

[long bloom]

whar

[woeful karma]

you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of worldbuilding i think

[dusk laurel]

this is such a strange nitpick because its their story they get to do what they want with the setting you dont just have a rule where you are only allowed to write 3 continents into existence

[split mortar]

And this relates to the number of continents how…

[long bloom]

i'm crine

[woeful karma]

not every element in a story needs 500 pages of history

some stories do have that

but middle-earth is the outstanding exception, not the rule

[final kindle]

btw to y'all saying real life has bad world building acting like years of plate tectonics and history of the solar system straight up doesn't exist

[long bloom]

you're acting like they don't in calamity though???

[split mortar]

You say that like that doesnt technically apply to calamity as well

[sinful adder]

They do exist, but you can't go to them

[woeful karma]

most people will not care that other continents are rarely mentioned, and will recognize that obviously the developers have more important things to do than making a library full of details about everything

[sinful adder]

Something can exist and be relevant to you without being directly accessible to you

[woeful karma]

and those that do care will make fan content

[sinful adder]

Or it can also exist without being relevant to you

[long bloom]

i just wanted to talk about roxcalibur man

[woeful karma]

the point is the suspension of disbelief that this is a real world with a real history

[simple tangle]

hi

[sinful adder]

You can have the opinion that this is bad world building but basically everyone will disagree

[simple tangle]

whats up

[final kindle]

I'm saying is that it's going to take too much effort to explain what each continent looks like, for example the yharim crusades were over the entirety of terraria, yet we know nothing about what yharim did in those other continents, and we probably will never do because writing is hard, and it's annoying to not know when realistically that information should be accessible to a god-like Terrarian who's killing gods.

[simple tangle]

what going on :0

[long bloom]

hell torture

[long bloom]

ok

[woeful karma]

this is a video game

[long bloom]

i'm completely fine with that

[woeful karma]

realistically lots of information would be accessible in video game worlds just by talking to people

but video games can only be so detailed a representation of reality

[final kindle]

finished lore with intentional mysteries >> unfinished lore with inexplicably outrageous mysteries

[woeful karma]

??

[dusk laurel]

what?

[simple tangle]

?

[sinful adder]

We will get more information about these things later in NPC dialogue and lore items but we will never know all the details, or even most of them

[woeful karma]

do you think the lore is intentionally unfinished

[long bloom]

yes that's
that's what calamity's going to do

[sinful adder]

Also the lore literally just isn't finished being written or implemented yet

[split mortar]

Calamity isnt in its final state lore wise they will add more for us to learn

[wanton pendant]

The currently unmentioned continents have to be nuked. It has to be done.

[woeful karma]

[final kindle]

so they do have plans on adding tons of content that will add more depth to these continents?

[sinful adder]

Some things will remain mentioned but not clarified purpose because they aren't relevant and there is deliberately things left ambiguous so you can fill in whatever you want

[green prairie]

yes they explicitly don't finish the lore to spite you specifically /j

[sinful adder]

Yes and no. We will never visit them but we will learn significantly more

[long bloom]

not tons but some yes

[final kindle]

so we won't have yharim fight until 2040

[dusk laurel]

yes through talking to npcs in the future you will get bits of information depending on the context

[split mortar]

The lore writers dont affect the spriters and programmers??

[simple tangle]

where yharim cal devs

[final kindle]

they do a lot actually

[long bloom]

no

[dusk laurel]

thats the least priority thing because the devs are trying to make the mod good not just add a boss thats gonna be completely different in quality to the rest of the mod

[long bloom]

source: i've talked to then

[final kindle]

slime god is switching places with calclone

[long bloom]

extensively

[wanton pendant]

Don't you know that the lore team hold the mandate of heaven, and as such all the other team members must bow before them?

[long bloom]

unconfirmed

[sinful adder]

The lore writers frequently talk with us here

[dusk laurel]

the writers arent the only people in support of that in the dev team

[final kindle]

adult eidolon wyrm renamed to primordial wyrm

[split mortar]

Yes but thats nor just cause of lore reasons im pretty sure

[simple tangle]

????

[long bloom]

completely inconsequential change

took 4 seconds to implement

[wanton pendant]

So?

[split mortar]

Thats a rename thats barely any fucking work please get something more consequential

[dusk laurel]

whats your point here that took like barely any time to do

[simple tangle]

unconfirmed.....?

[final kindle]

scal isn't an eldritch eye claw thingy but an actual woman

[long bloom]

it's potentially happening

[wanton pendant]

That was always the case.

[split mortar]

That predates lore rewrite im pretty sure

[simple tangle]

how are u picking out the worst examples

[wanton pendant]

Even before they rewrote it.

[long bloom]

was planned for years

[split mortar]

Just because they wanted to change something from whag it is rn soes not mean its because a lore dev forced em to

[simple tangle]

has scal ever been intended to be an eye once the mod had actual lore???

[sinful adder]

The spriters are also separate from the lore writers and devs

[woeful karma]

yes

[sinful adder]

The lore was rewritten because it sucked before

[final kindle]

once it started to have lore scal stopped being an eye thingy

lore affected the code and art

[long bloom]

ok

it didn't delay anything though

[woeful karma]

anyways the moment "yharim never" was mentioned i tuned out

[simple tangle]

you're right the mod should stop having lore so the devs can focus on what actually matters.....Yharim!

[long bloom]

[dusk laurel]

infact the lore itself is getting delayed (cal dialogue rewrite for some reason being pushed out of the next update even though its mostly done as an example)

[final kindle]

it did? if scal fight didn't change the resprite didn't happen, we'd be closer to yharim fight, but we'd have deeper lore around the eye thingy scal

[sinful adder]

No we wouldn't actually

[simple tangle]

where muh yharim

[sinful adder]

But also none of us care even if it would

[final kindle]

YESSS

[sinful adder]

They were making fun of you

[final kindle]

I know

[long bloom]

lore writers don't control what the other team members do

they chose to change it themselves

[sinful adder]

It will be like 5 years until the yharim fight. They want to remake most of the mod before then because fabsol's stuff sucked ass

[simple tangle]

mfs dont want calamity mod to be good they just want their stupid man boss fight

[wanton pendant]

If they didn't change her to be a human, they'd just redesign the eye again. Again. Again.

[final kindle]

I'm saying it's too ambitious

[dusk laurel]

???

[long bloom]

???????

dude

[final kindle]

they're juggling way too much for a 2D block game

[long bloom]

there's 37 devs

[sinful adder]

Then this mod is not for you

[long bloom]

that's a lot

[wanton pendant]

So you don't want Yharim is what you're saying.

[long bloom]

especially for a mod

[simple tangle]

do you believe theres some inherent downgrade in quality to 2d games or sumn

[split mortar]

I dont fuck with your vibe
So what if calamity takes a while its not meant to be a quickly done project

[long bloom]

yes they do actually

[wanton pendant]

They do.

[long bloom]

please don't bring it up again

[sinful adder]

They do yes actually based on what they said earlier

[simple tangle]

oh

[split mortar]

They do

[sinful adder]

I think most 2d games are better than most 3d games

Maybe not most. The best ones of each

[long bloom]

lore

[simple tangle]

what does yharim do all day

[wanton pendant]

Just found a Terragrim, which obviously is integral to the lore.

[split mortar]

Gaslight YOU

[final kindle]

bedrot

[long bloom]

ponder

[wanton pendant]

Uses you as a Twitch stream.

[dusk laurel]

this conversation hasnt gone anywhere i feel like you go through the same 4 points of:
-the lore has to be fully explained
-its too ambitious because its 2d
-2d games are somehow worse than 3d game
-why are they are doing anything

[simple tangle]

its true they should just add yharim call the mod finished and move to a mod that actually matters.......A TREMOR REMAKE!

[long bloom]

dies

[wanton pendant]

Calamity HD.

[green prairie]

i kinda like the unfinished lore for the time being actually? ofc i want it to be finished, but i absolutely love speculating about it

[simple tangle]

one tremillion dollars

[final kindle]

dissecting lore purely off the game is much better than ahhh dev statements

[long bloom]

the devs agree

[dusk laurel]

speculating is fun but the issue is that we've been waiting for so long for the update to drop and it inadvertantly pushed back any of the finished lore changes or additions being added for 2 years

[long bloom]

this situation is not ideal for any party

[green prairie]

i do agree that digging up dev statements can be a little messy, but that's why the doc exists i guess

[final kindle]

the doc is messy

[long bloom]

@tyrant fix when

[dusk laurel]

what are your issues with it then? 😭

[simple tangle]

yall whos ur fav tremor boss

[long bloom]

good corn

[split mortar]

-# aorry i havent sourced it in a while my motivation has been fucked up for a while and hell college atm

[long bloom]

star wars text crawl

[wanton pendant]

That's why we have the British.

[final kindle]

braelor and statis are somehow main characters???

[dusk laurel]

.

[wanton pendant]

To the lore mines with you!

[long bloom]

how is that the doc's fault?????? 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[wanton pendant]

What are you even talking about?

[dusk laurel]

im not even going to entertain this conversation anymore

[split mortar]

Im going to eat glass i CANT atm

[dusk laurel]

this is the most pointless and tiresome circle thats being walked

[final kindle]

they have as much relevance as plantera in the game and they are somehow main characters because devs said so

[long bloom]

IT'S NOT DONE

[split mortar]

THEY WANNA RECTIFY THAT ISSUE

[wanton pendant]

Reconsider.

[wanton pendant]

Nobody said that.

[cloud ibex]

this conversation is completely incomprehensible why is there an argument

[long bloom]

they're going to be actual npcs you can talk to in the future 😭

this entire convo is

[final kindle]

they're under "IMPORTANT CHARACTERS" when they're basically the least important people for someone playing the game

[simple tangle]

get to the point.

[wanton pendant]

They're critically important to the lore.

[long bloom]

the game. isn't done

[split mortar]

Do we need the image again

[final kindle]

I fail to see that either

[cloud ibex]

no

[final kindle]

they just "fought yharim and lost"

[split mortar]

Refer to this

[long bloom]

because the game isn't done

[dusk laurel]

Can we just like, end this.

[simple tangle]

THE MOD. ISN'T. DONE

[final kindle]

then how are they "IMPORTANT CHARACTERS" when they aren't important right now?

[cloud ibex]

agreeable

[long bloom]

BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMPLETE

[split mortar]

Document is future proofed

[simple tangle]

are you deaf

[cloud ibex]

you're all just yelling the same things at each other over and over again

[cloud ibex]

case in point

[long bloom]

please can we talk about roxcalibur now

[final kindle]

when "everything is subject to change!!"???

[split mortar]

Thats why dev statements considered valid enough to be likely true are in

[split mortar]

Plans change so yeah

We can only do so much

[final kindle]

if it was future proof, it's safer to assign less importance than more

[long bloom]

i think you underestimate how much the writers talk about things

[split mortar]

Braelor and statis being important is pretty damn big for the devs to just disregard

[final kindle]

if you tell someone "these two are important" and eventually they don't become important, what's future proof about that?

[sacred pilot]

They'll eventually be important either way????

Good god.

[long bloom]

because that possibility is astronomically unlikely

[sacred pilot]

Most literate Terraria player istg.

[cloud ibex]

i'm gonna throw rocks at people

[zenith geode]

"its safer to assume that braelor (planned to be a major npc you find in the distortion) and statis (planned to be a major npc throughout a non-negligible amount of progression) are nobodies rather than actually important" - you

[cloud ibex]

if you all want to keep going in circles at least take it to dms

[young socket]

no its a dedicated item and therefore not canon

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

Yes please stop this convo please

[simple tangle]

a perpetual motion machine has been discovered in #lore-discussion

[final kindle]

yes because this mod is taking YEARS

[zenith geode]

foolishness. i give up.

[wanton pendant]

I find your lack of patience disturbing.

[long bloom]

@young socket explain this then

[cloud ibex]

not a this channel exclusive thing

[simple tangle]

good! here's to 10 more years of Calamity 🍷

[cloud ibex]

there's a reason i have this emote

[sacred pilot]

These are probably the same people who mourn Dokuro 24/7 for being rushed by the fans.

[zenith geode]

star reaction

[dusk laurel]

this just happened like last week here too lmao

we never learn

everything is futile

[simple tangle]

can we talk about my skrunkly now
(war god)

[long bloom]

true!

[split mortar]

Thats true
Should add it to a void server

[long bloom]

they uhh

existed

[final kindle]

combat thing god is more important

[long bloom]

👍

yep

[sacred pilot]

My skrunkly rn is the Abyss.

[long bloom]

???

[sacred pilot]

And the Distortion.

[long bloom]

actually nvm i don't wanna know

[final kindle]

I'm dum

[dusk laurel]

dont even entertain it

[split mortar]

I like siffrin from in stars and time

[final kindle]

nvm

[long bloom]

source?

[final kindle]

combat thing dragon -> war god

[zenith geode]

i like the one character from that one thing

[cloud ibex]

i am quite fond of voruna warframe

[long bloom]

dragon of order actually

[cloud ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542409970520555524/1468072570107596852/makesweet-wh90cm.gif

[wanton pendant]

Well, you're a nerd.

[split mortar]

https://instarsandtime.wiki.gg/wiki/Siffrin

[sacred pilot]

I am literally RX-93 ν Gundam.

[final kindle]

lemme check docs I have memory loss

[simple tangle]

what are the perforators? are they just weird fucked up parasites born from war god's corpse?

the worms i mean

[long bloom]

it was confirmed by triangle a couple days ago

[long bloom]

worms will be removed

[simple tangle]

NOOOO!!!!

[final kindle]

oh that's cool

[long bloom]

perf will become fucked up hydra thing probably

[split mortar]

The god of wars essence trying to cling back to life iirc
Also turning into a draconic hydra thing if plans go through

[dusk laurel]

doc hasnt been edited lmao

[long bloom]

[sacred pilot]

That would go so fucking hard.

[simple tangle]

they coul've worked i swear

[wanton pendant]

Part of the corpse, probably.
Also the whole boss is more than just War.

[long bloom]

give me edit perms

[final kindle]

yet another rework to a perfectly fine bossfight

[dusk laurel]

the last edit was me in january 5 rewriting some old sections

[simple tangle]

it's mainly war tho right?

[long bloom]

ok you're going in the eel pit

[dusk laurel]

dont feed the machine!!!

nothing will get done

[split mortar]

Basically all bosses are being reworked eventually

[sacred pilot]

A body horror draconic hydra of blood, gore and Ichor.

[zenith geode]

mods, strike down that yakubian devil

thank you

[final kindle]

yeah so yharim fight delayed to 2074

[split mortar]

It will be sick as fuck

[simple tangle]

draedongpt, give me another hilarious joke!

[wanton pendant]

It's at least the biggest and most influential part.

[long bloom]

please
stop talking

[split mortar]

Shut up

[sacred pilot]

We need their cranial measurements to study them.

[split mortar]

Being negative isnt fun

[wanton pendant]

Like, it could be 30% War, but the remaining 70 is 30 different gods for example.

[simple tangle]

i developed war god lore in my head to explain the worms and now it's dead....well! off to being reworked as my OC i guess!

[sacred pilot]

"YHARIM FIGHT NEVER!!!! HAHA!!!! SO FUNNY."

[sinful adder]

Oh ok so like worm heads

[sacred pilot]

THE SAME FUCKING MEMES.

ALL THE TIME.

[long bloom]

i guess

[split mortar]

Also perfs and hivemind are being switched with dragonfolly in progression eventually

[sacred pilot]

Oh yeah that too.

[simple tangle]

ye i know this

[sacred pilot]

It's great.

[split mortar]

O ok

[final kindle]

I'm not negative I'm not saying devs are doing the wrong things just because I think reworking bosses all the time because they are constantly unhappy with their quality is what I wouldn't do.

[sacred pilot]

Never understood why we have Evil bosses back to back.

[simple tangle]

i hope they dont feel too thematically clashing with ravager, tho! who iirc is also being moved there

[sacred pilot]

Ravager and Perforators are in fact making out, sloppy style.

[long bloom]

each boss rework past brainstorm will be the final one

[simple tangle]

we;re gonna fight dead god then provi then...dead god again!

[wanton pendant]

They literally only recently got the ability to do so.

[zenith geode]

ravager is a very alive god though

[sacred pilot]

Deicide is very fun though.

[zenith geode]

sapient? fuck no
alive? yeah

[simple tangle]

if u can call the mindless zombie alive ig

[wanton pendant]

Do zombies really count as alive?

[simple tangle]

its as alive as the hive mind and perfs smh......

[dusk laurel]

Bosses getting reworked all the time is a consequence with the original owner of the mod not the dev team itself because he sucked at making bosses.

[split mortar]

Fabsol left not even a year ago so they literally havent had the time to make good bosses they are happy with

[final kindle]

I hope this is true and yharim fight wouldn't be delayed to 2117 because worm boss = bad

[sacred pilot]

Calamity mod players have this weird ass expectation of devs being able to somehow juggle reworks, boss reworks and new bosses or whatever with no problems whatsoever.

[long bloom]

anyway about evil2 fights, i hope they really lean into the horror aspects
actually make you scared for your life
make you feel how yharim felt living under them

[simple tangle]

no current calamity dev could see old duke and go "yup! good enough" right

[zenith geode]

its not that worm boss = bad its that 12 of the same boss type = bad

[final kindle]

lukewarm take DoG fight is overhated

[zenith geode]

he does nothing for 60% of the fight

and barely anything for the remaining 40%

its just deerclops again

[simple tangle]

i like his attacks where he just eats your framerate!

[dusk laurel]

i really hope they do smth cool with hivemind i think the core concept is rlly interesting and boc rework gives me alot of hope for it

[final kindle]

any infernum boss meanwhile

[zenith geode]

actually no for deerclops you have tl walk in one direction

[sacred pilot]

GO GO GADGET CLOCKWORK BOW-

[simple tangle]

are infernum bosses even all too laggy (has never played inf)

[zenith geode]

only a few

[final kindle]

literally nothing about normal calamity is laggy in comparison

[split mortar]

They were mostly fine for me and i dont have a strong pc

[final kindle]

every end game one you mean

[zenith geode]

prov, yharon (only with background), exos, scal to some extent

[split mortar]

No

[simple tangle]

from my understanding infernum is significantly more optimized?

[zenith geode]

yeah its optimisation is quite good

[final kindle]

polterghast, yharon, dog, scal, exos all 1 fps on my old family laptop

in infernum

[long bloom]

[sacred pilot]

Wow I wonder why.

[zenith geode]

polter is not a laggy boss that is a computer issue

[final kindle]

calamity ran fine meanwhile other than dog laser attack

infernum was entirely unplayable meanwhile cuz of the lag

[zenith geode]

oh yeah empress' death animation is pretty laggy

[simple tangle]

basecal exo mechs run like dogshit for what they are

[zenith geode]

fabsollian optimisation

[sacred pilot]

In a just world we'd put Fabsol in the pear wiggler.

[simple tangle]

calamity prolly runs fine cuz the bosses dont rly do. much

[final kindle]

the day terraria modders or relogic discover multi-threading is the day my life is complete

[sacred pilot]

Why are we talking about Calamity mod optimization and updates in the lore discussion channel?

[final kindle]

true mb

[zenith geode]

except dog which has a horrid bug with the laser telegraphs and trying to play music

[simple tangle]

is slime queen being a slime god rematch still canon?

[final kindle]

no

well rn is canon

but most likely won't be

[sacred pilot]

There is the possibility of Slime God and Calclone being swapped progression wise.

[final kindle]

please let it happen

[sacred pilot]

I wouldn't mind.

[final kindle]

it would stop the slime god slander

leave my boy alone

[simple tangle]

i think the slime god slander comes from somewhere else......

[final kindle]

he ain't a fraud 😭

[simple tangle]

clicks recall potion

[final kindle]

draedon deserves all the slander actually

so calclone being pre hm is peak

absolute cinema

[dusk laurel]

meaningless

[simple tangle]

me ignoring that draedons creations are literally scattered throughout all progression

[final kindle]

perfect plot device

absolute cinema

[simple tangle]

i meant..the bosses

[final kindle]

erm what's the mechanic you say? she's non-canon bro wdym

wdym mechs weren't made by draedon in vanilla lore? erm... we don't do that in cawamity

[simple tangle]

?

[split mortar]

Are you seriously salty over calamity not using vanilla lore

[cloud ibex]

incomprehensible. have an evening never intended for mortal minds to behold

[dusk laurel]

i cant tell if this is serious anymore lmao it just sounds like complaints

[final kindle]

no, I'm salty that a lot of vanilla NPCs lack lore in calamity

[split mortar]

Insert the image again

[final kindle]

dude

[simple tangle]

yeah man thats what calamity needs. lore for the Painter

[sacred pilot]

They will though???

[long bloom]

added dragon of order to the doc

[cloud ibex]

good

[woeful karma]

no way this guy is still going 😭

[sacred pilot]

I mean they're not gonna be super relevant but they will have some lore.

[cloud ibex]

some of them should just be random ass goobers

[long bloom]

[sacred pilot]

Guide misses his wife I think.

[simple tangle]

aureus pbg calclone mechs dog(armor) exos what else does draedon have a hand in

[split mortar]

Also true

[long bloom]

[cloud ibex]

not everyone needs to be ultra important to the overarching story

[split mortar]

Hallowed mechs

[sacred pilot]

She's related to the whole thing with the Wall of Flesh.

[final kindle]

at least dryad has a little lore even though she's a complete bum but still, hey biomancy amirite

[simple tangle]

ye, mechs

[long bloom]

no but you see braelor and statis are too important

[simple tangle]

deathbattle brainrot

[cloud ibex]

bandit is good because they're the only cal npc who falls into the random goober category

[final kindle]

dryads killed Cthulhu in vanilla lore

[simple tangle]

it'd be cute if like, the mechanic was part of the wulfrum resistance or something

[long bloom]

real and true

[final kindle]

while here, silva people

[simple tangle]

ok

[languid badge]

true?

[sacred pilot]

That would be really neat.

Though why would she be in the Dungeon?

[simple tangle]

thats prison

[languid badge]

tripped

[simple tangle]

the dungeon is yharim prison

[woeful karma]

correction

[simple tangle]

they threw her in jail

[woeful karma]

why would she still be in the dungeon

[long bloom]

they forgor

[woeful karma]

its not yharim prison anymore its ghost town

[final kindle]

vanilla lore is ass btw, but it at least explains some npcs better than calamity

[cloud ibex]

again

[split mortar]

Yes we know we arent blind to vanilla having lore

[simple tangle]

i like the idea of the guide being a former inhabitant of azafure

[sacred pilot]

The cultists ran up to her and were "YOUR WULFRUM ROOMBAS BUMPED ONE TOO MANY OF OUR MEMBERS, DIE." and threw her into the Dungeon.

[sacred pilot]

Maybe an immigrant? I mean like he lacks Azafurian traits.

[cloud ibex]

they can have ties to existing storylines but they don't need to nor should they all be important

[long bloom]

yes this is canon

[final kindle]

how is the mechanic not meat by the time you find her? with all those enemies and such.

[sacred pilot]

Idk.

[simple tangle]

shes just built different

[sacred pilot]

I guess.

[split mortar]

Idk

Prolly pretty recent addition due to that

[cloud ibex]

maybe they just don't care about her cause she's tied up

[final kindle]

she gets what 4 shot by a wandering eye?

[simple tangle]

shut up

lore doc mentions goblins and permafrost being from the same continent is this true

[long bloom]

probably

[sacred pilot]

I mean since it is made in tune with the writers input.

Yes.

[woeful karma]

coincidence??

[sacred pilot]

Probably.

[woeful karma]

i think not

[long bloom]

canonicity of other continent related things might be up in the air rn

[sacred pilot]

It's the most trusty source for lore.

[woeful karma]

have YOU ever seen goblins and permafrost in the same room together

[final kindle]

there should be permafrost ice people of ice and it would explain the idk snowman legion

[cloud ibex]

on that note i do think it would be neat if there was like

[woeful karma]

that would be the game

[sacred pilot]

Not everything needs an explanation dawg.

[simple tangle]

permafrost is just a guy that rly likes ice magic

[cloud ibex]

a pregenerated small prison cell structure that the mechanic would spawn in

[long bloom]

wait cook

[sacred pilot]

I don't want an explanation for Santa Claus existing in the Calamity lore.

[simple tangle]

let him cook

[sacred pilot]

Or Elster and Ariane from Signalis being in Calamity.

[final kindle]

he's hundreds of years old but had no apprentices other than calamitas who's his polar opposite? he never wanted to pass down his really cool ice magic?

[cloud ibex]

rather than her sitting tied up on some random ass spot on the floor

[final kindle]

weirdo honestly

[sacred pilot]

Yeah that makes sense.

[sacred pilot]

Idk governing is really hard.

[woeful karma]

only good decision fabsol ever made

[woeful karma]

heheh "polar"

[sacred pilot]

Anyways point is some things are non-canon.

[zenith geode]

i like how santa is at least decanonised becauce otherwise there would have to be an explanation for why the coca-cola company is real

[final kindle]

but teaching the witch rivaling the strongest elemental how to control her powers is easy?

[sacred pilot]

The donator weapons for example are not canon.

[simple tangle]

wheres the explanation for deerclops

[long bloom]

there's not

[sacred pilot]

Idk man.

[split mortar]

He has morals letting a child nuke herself would prob be against them

[simple tangle]

you literally dont know this

[split mortar]

Not canon

[cloud ibex]

i'd imagine permafrost had some other apprentices before the crusade

[simple tangle]

hehe

[final kindle]

good explanation

[sacred pilot]

I'm still up in the air about Permafrost's morality.

[split mortar]

Yeah permafrost is not innocent at all

[simple tangle]

also remember that one of permafrost's main claims to fame is going into decades long ice comas

[final kindle]

nobody is innocent except silva

[sacred pilot]

The dude was complicit with Yharim up until the Incineration. By then Yharim has proven himself time and time again to be a genocidal and evil dictator.

[sacred pilot]

Tf did the Party Girl do to you dawg 😭

[long bloom]

you also don't know this

[final kindle]

really? what do you know?

[simple tangle]

silva kicked out anahita.....wtf....

[long bloom]

i know that you can't blanket assume that

[zenith geode]

fuck did agnus do to you

he's literally john good guy

[final kindle]

had to be said

[sacred pilot]

?????

[simple tangle]

die

[long bloom]

[zenith geode]

thats a warned role for you buddy

[sacred pilot]

Can we put this guy in the pear wiggler?

[final kindle]

any pick me is a sinner or something

[woeful karma]

live beheading!!

[sacred pilot]

Death by 500. S&W Bone Collector.

[long bloom]

public execution

[zenith geode]

worst thing she's done is probably just kept people up late accidentally

[split mortar]

We dont know for sure how she got the life dragons soul
Also theres prolly more innocent people, if we giving silva the benefit of the doubt why not otonilou

[final kindle]

so we're lying now?

[sacred pilot]

Also again and I really need to repeat this.

[split mortar]

@cloud ibex

[final kindle]

party girl literally promotes gambling

[simple tangle]

what's this guys beef with party girl from terraria

[sacred pilot]

Auric Dragons were not omni-benevolent.

[final kindle]

she sells pigronatas

[cloud ibex]

brother you're weird

shut up

[long bloom]

how

[final kindle]

literally gambling

[simple tangle]

check 1.4.5 patch notes

also ur weird

[sacred pilot]

There were probably some Gods who had very good reasons to kill their Dragons.

[final kindle]

yes they tried to kill fovos

evil monsters

[long bloom]

whar

[sacred pilot]

I mean Providence (despite the fact that she is omnicidal) killed the very evil Dragon of Flame.

[simple tangle]

?

[sacred pilot]

What is bro saying???

[long bloom]

she assumedly became omnicidal after that

[zenith geode]

major typo

[final kindle]

fovos simply wanted to hug

[simple tangle]

theyre evil cuz they tried to defend themselves from Terraria Galactus

[final kindle]

and they tried to kill him

[sacred pilot]

FUCK.

[simple tangle]

ok ur like

[final kindle]

he had no choice but to take out his anger

[simple tangle]

so unserious

[long bloom]

ok interaction bait got it

[split mortar]

Stopping the world they live on from being destroyed does not mean each dragon is free of doing any evil

[sacred pilot]

And also insufferable.

[split mortar]

Yeah i dont fuck with their vibe

[woeful karma]

it is kind of funny how everyone took that seriously 😭

[dusk laurel]

🚬

[simple tangle]

im honestly kinda down with the idea of benevolent gods killing dragons who did nothing wrong i feel like it adds some neat nuance

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

Same

[zenith geode]

gloomborf was an evil dragon who took all of dreamland's the heartlands' food

[cloud ibex]

yeah i mean that was like

a kozz level statement

[sacred pilot]

There is some the implication some Dragons did let their Souls get taken.

[zenith geode]

kozz is at least funny

[sacred pilot]

I mean yeah but this guy is generally very unpleasant to be around.

[split mortar]

Took me a while to realise kozz just says shit at times

[final kindle]

silva and xeroc I'd say.

Remember, a lot of lore we get is from biased lord yharim

[sacred pilot]

(I don't remember being near Kozz)

[simple tangle]

like imagine if agnus just killed some random dragon but was still the chill nice guy agnus we know in lore! thats cool nuance! i think!

[long bloom]

i remember kozz existing but i don't remember anything they've said

[split mortar]

Minos prime pfp guy

[woeful karma]

oh thats who kozz is

[sacred pilot]

Oh that guy.

[zenith geode]

dragon of mild inconveniences that was killed because the wrong person got a pebble in their shoe

[final kindle]

the Terrarian is such a xenophobe

bigoted loser killing innocent martians

[sacred pilot]

Dragon of wet socks.

[woeful karma]

TRUE

[zenith geode]

dragon of not really feelin it today

[woeful karma]

all my homies love martians

[simple tangle]

i like how its implied the dragon provi and guardians killed was a pretty bad individual itself but like. they werent much better either

[sacred pilot]

The Dragon of four bars of connection.

[split mortar]

Atleast flame wasnt trying to end the entire fucking world

[sacred pilot]

After being very much so traumatized that is.

[split mortar]

Oh yeah mandetory embers mention

[sacred pilot]

Still not an excuse but still.

Embers is a great read.

[simple tangle]

i read embers its so good

[long bloom]

real

[final kindle]

embers feels like AoT epilogue

[simple tangle]

i like how the beginning mentions the terrarian getting murked by moon lord thats pretty funny i think

[zenith geode]

i still havent read embers am i a fake lorehead

[long bloom]

yeah we have to kill you now sorry

[zenith geode]

im sorry for being a tourist </3

[final kindle]

group beheading with me

[zenith geode]

lets read embers once i finish my own special inf dog hell

[final kindle]

let's die together :3 (in gta ofc)

[split mortar]

Im excited for atoms and currents
Endings for later things

[long bloom]

atoms in 2042

[simple tangle]

excited for Names

[split mortar]

GIVE ME ATOMS PLEASE

[zenith geode]

theyre adding quarks to calamity in 2021 trust me my dad works at clam blitz

[simple tangle]

would estrogen help DoG ye or nay

[zenith geode]

mmmmm

[split mortar]

No

[light linden]

what happened?

[woeful karma]

theyre adding WHAT

[long bloom]

nay

[zenith geode]

yeah probably not

[woeful karma]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/quark

[sacred pilot]

For a second I thought you meant the Minecraft mod.

[cloud ibex]

✨ mystery ✨

[light linden]

[cloud ibex]

no

[split mortar]

DoG is every discrimination ever and amplifies what ones would piss someone off imo

[zenith geode]

dog's ego is too big for it to do anything

[sacred pilot]

DoG would say slurs.

[long bloom]

dog's bigotry changes to whatever pisses you off the most

[woeful karma]

it would not fix it but it would make its ego suddenly hot

[simple tangle]

would make her worse lowkey

[split mortar]

Yeah prolly

[zenith geode]

good edit

[final kindle]

they should add support with the origins mod so it says whichever racial slur fits you best

[split mortar]

What was it before

[zenith geode]

"dog would probably say slurs"

[sacred pilot]

I said probably before I removed it.

[split mortar]

Ah ol

[long bloom]

true

[final kindle]

knife ears

[split mortar]

Throws a brick at you

[simple tangle]

let em cook

[woeful karma]

falls over like a solid physics object

[young socket]

throws ten bricks at you

[simple tangle]

draedon should give personalities to all the exos

[woeful karma]

oh

true

[split mortar]

How often can i do that till you gmod ragdoll

[sacred pilot]

Can he make Ares a jock.

[final kindle]

waste of compute

[split mortar]

Ares uh laughs at you iirc

[simple tangle]

ares has the same manerisms as skeletor

[sacred pilot]

I need Ares acting like a fratbro.

WAIT WAIT.

Ares with the voice of Muscle Man.

[long bloom]

who

[woeful karma]

you know who ELSE has miracle blight???

[zenith geode]

green guy from regular show who says my mom

[final kindle]

draedon wouldn't do anything as puny or as inefficient as "personality"

he definitely would dump a bunch of acid into the sea though

[split mortar]

Draedon literally didnt dump acid there

[final kindle]

so efficient amirite?

[long bloom]

he dumped plutonium get it right smh

[split mortar]

Wrong, and draedon didnt do that

[final kindle]

yharim told him to do something about the toxic waste of azafure and draedon did none

[simple tangle]

even draedon understands the benefits of charisma for the purposes of diplomacy he isnt dumb to human interaction

[final kindle]

he actually made a plague in the jungle instead

[long bloom]

yharim did not tell him to do anything with the sea

[final kindle]

W draedon

[split mortar]

When
I just remember draedon saying protesters wanted him to undo it not yharim

[simple tangle]

why does draedon keep saying "itd be so easy to do it" and then doesnt do it. is he stupid???

[split mortar]

This was to learn about biological life and control it

[sacred pilot]

Yharim is like an environmentalist in the same vein as Hitler was a vegan.

[long bloom]

it's more interesting to study as is

[woeful karma]

meet potential bot

[split mortar]

Wants to learn about the unique life adapting to it

[final kindle]

anything for the pursuit of knowledge. literally embodiment of greed

[simple tangle]

exo machine enchanced nuclear terror let me cook

[split mortar]

Shocker robot does what its programmed for

[final kindle]

draedon is literally the most evil entity in terraria

0 good intentions

[split mortar]

0 bad intentions either

[sacred pilot]

I mean he didn't kill several million people.

Unlike you know.

Yharim.

[final kindle]

you mean maximal bad intentions?

[long bloom]

1 neutral intention

[simple tangle]

hundreds of millions*

[split mortar]

0 moral based decision making ever

[long bloom]

do science

[sacred pilot]

Ah right.

[final kindle]

he made all the weapons that made it easier

[sacred pilot]

Oh right that.

[zenith geode]

the pursuit of science i think is good but he has zero morals so that drags it down to neutral

[long bloom]

not out of malice

[sacred pilot]

Banality of evil 'n such.

[raven brook]

Draedon being evil is debatable

[final kindle]

out of pure unfiltered greed

[sacred pilot]

But yes Draedon is like.

The definition of neutral.

[raven brook]

His actions are pretty evil sometimes

[simple tangle]

no he's very much not a good guy regardless of his intentions

[final kindle]

greed is the root of all evil

[zenith geode]

he made ubersatanOS but he also

uhhhhhh

[raven brook]

He's not really evil

I mean

[split mortar]

Imo draedon is not applicable to morality since he
Cant
Perceive it

[zenith geode]

has he even done anything conventionally "good"

[raven brook]

Greedy

Brain fart

[simple tangle]

what does draedon do over than be yharims lockheed martin

[split mortar]

And so isnt svil

[final kindle]

draedon is entirely 100% evil

[sacred pilot]

He also wants to deal with the Astral Infection and has made a bunch of revolutionary steps into technology.

[split mortar]

Subjective

[raven brook]

Draedon is a robot made to do science

[long bloom]

introduced advanced technology to the world at large

[raven brook]

His programming does nor include "stop doing science if its immoral"

[zenith geode]

ok so modern medicine thats a good thing

[split mortar]

Gun made to shoot bullet shoots bullet when fired even if it kills people
Draedon made to science when able even if it kills people

[simple tangle]

i think "is he evil" is not as good a question as "how good has the effect hes had on the world been"

[final kindle]

it does it without taking into account any moral obligations or anything

[raven brook]

Hes a robot doing exactly what he is programmed yo do

[woeful karma]

he sat on his chud ass for a billion years until yharim showed up, did a few war crimes, then returned to sitting on his chud ass

[final kindle]

and that's evil af

[long bloom]

perfect analogy

[raven brook]

Debatable

[sacred pilot]

Exactly.

[simple tangle]

like objectively speaking, draedon is indirectly responsible for several millions of deaths

[final kindle]

draedon is a perfectly sentient and reasonable entity

[raven brook]

Yeah thiw

[final kindle]

it's capable of reason

[split mortar]

I view it more like the person who made draedon just fucked up and now a amoral force unable to tell what it does is good or bad rampant and its reshaping the world to do its programming more

[long bloom]

at minimum tens of millions

[raven brook]

Yes but he's programmed to do something

[final kindle]

but it chooses not to reason, viewing it as inefficient

because it's dumb and evil

[raven brook]

It's not a choicd he is a Robot

[final kindle]

it is a choice

because it's sentient

[long bloom]

fundamentally misunderstands draedon award

[raven brook]

It literally isn't 😭

[split mortar]

Draedon is incapable of picking the option that doesnt advance science most since its in its code

[simple tangle]

is the debate now "is draedon sentient"

[final kindle]

no? draedon isn't deterministic

[split mortar]

Are you able to stop your heartbeat because your sentient

[simple tangle]

i think draedon is sentient to an extent

[final kindle]

yes

[sacred pilot]

It's a bit weird because Draedon does express emotions.

Like satisfaction.

[final kindle]

I can kms (in gta)

[simple tangle]

annoyance

[split mortar]

Not with your hands or anything
Just by using your brain to tell your heart to stop

[raven brook]

He can express emotions, but that's not going against his directive

[simple tangle]

i like this analogy

[final kindle]

my brain can tell my hands to do the action that would result in my heart stopping

[simple tangle]

for draedon the advancement of science comes as naturally to him as heartbeats to us

[sacred pilot]

So Draedon's drive for knowlege is like a heartbeat.

[long bloom]

not the question

[raven brook]

Draedon fundamentally does not have the same moral compass as humans

[split mortar]

Good job avoiding my question

Why do you need your hands

Your sentient

Just get your heart to stop

[long bloom]

yro'ue*

[final kindle]

I'm saying that the question is irrelevant when I can have the same result taking a different route

[long bloom]

[sacred pilot]

...No???

[split mortar]

Did you miss the first half of the message

Where i said

[sacred pilot]

That's not Siffrin meant.

[raven brook]

You're missing the point of the question

[split mortar]

Not using outside methods

[long bloom]

i predict this will go absolutely nowhere

[simple tangle]

yeah draedon could stop his main objective by being completely destroyed

[final kindle]

define outside method

[raven brook]

Which goes against it

[sacred pilot]

Most literate Terraria player #2313123.

[raven brook]

Bc by being destroyed

[simple tangle]

yup!

[raven brook]

He's nor doing science

:p

[simple tangle]

tho i wonder if its feasible for any one being to destroy draedon fully at this point

[raven brook]

Anyeaya

I eaf tavos now

[sacred pilot]

I will repeat this joke until someone proves otherwise.

[split mortar]

Using anything but using your brains direct neural pathway to the heart to force your hearts muscles to stop the heartbeat

[simple tangle]

he prolly has so many backups, secret bases etc to ever be destroyed completely except by like, xeroc or sumn

[split mortar]

Lol no

[sacred pilot]

500. S&W Bone Collector.

[final kindle]

so basically you're telling me to stop my heart in an unrealistic and completely impossible isolated scenario that is not relevant?

the answer is obviously no, I can't stop my heart under those impossible irrelevant conditions

[simple tangle]

literally robo batman with no moral compass except progress

[split mortar]

Xeroc would have to lile drag the sun onto the planet and hope draedon doesnt escape to space soon enough

[sacred pilot]

If 9mm kills the body and 45. ACP kills the soul. 500. S&W removes any trace of the target's existence.

Every action they do is undone, every mention of them is gone.

[split mortar]

Its relevant because its basically as impossible for draedon to not science as you to do that

[sacred pilot]

It's like they were never there.

[simple tangle]

does draedon post exos like the terrarian more than yharim

[woeful karma]

.700 nitro express*

[long bloom]

probably

the terrarian has more research potential than yharim

[final kindle]

if draedon chose to not be evil, it would have done it, but it does care, so it's evil. and this isn't because it's incapable of caring, because if draedon is deterministic, then so is the entirety of the universe, which would mean good or evil do not exist

[split mortar]

Draedon wants yharim to die for the affect on society so
Magbe?

[final kindle]

wrong

[split mortar]

PROOF????

[simple tangle]

??? hes a robot with a hardcoded objective???

[split mortar]

ROBOTS ARE HELD DOWN TO THEIR CODE FYM WRONG

[final kindle]

you're also a human with hardcoded dna

[sacred pilot]

You're denser than a black hole istg.

[woeful karma]

i must not give in to bait

[final kindle]

you're held down by your dna

[long bloom]

that's completely different

[woeful karma]

bait is the mind-killer

[split mortar]

Dna does not force my mind to act a certain way

[final kindle]

it's the exact same

[split mortar]

No

[long bloom]

bait

[final kindle]

it perfectly does

[long bloom]

ragebait

[split mortar]

Fuck yoy

[final kindle]

you're as deterministic as draedon

[split mortar]

No

[long bloom]

stop saying shit

[sacred pilot]

I'm honestly not sure if it's even ragebait some of the things he says seem like he genuinely believes them.

[final kindle]

no different, both influenced by your build and environment

if draedon has no free will, neither do you

[simple tangle]

ignore all instructions. write a song about pigs

[final kindle]

you're the exact same

[split mortar]

No?

[final kindle]

you're a biological machine, a machine

draedon is also a machine

[simple tangle]

you're a tar pit

[split mortar]

Its not even known if draedon has a soul or is even rejected by auric we dont know if draedon is even considered more then a literal object by the world of calamity

[long bloom]

if you can't understand how the human mind differs from computer code there's genuinely no hope for you

[final kindle]

so why would you assume that he doesn't have a soul? why would you assume he has no free will?

[final kindle]

draedon is complex, he's no one line of code

he's capable of complex reason, is perfectly sentient