lore-discussion

[glacial wolf]

cus vanila canonically kills Cthulhu (albeit in a crippled stated)

[eager bluff]

ml isnt cthulhu

[long bloom]

honestly fovos might be worse than vanilla cthulhu

[zenith geode]

calamity terrarian replacing their heart with a toxic one to become unkillable

what biological effects does equipping the toxic heart take on the equipee

[glacial wolf]

radiation

you emit it now

good job ur a walking uranium stick

[long bloom]

acute sepsis

[glacial wolf]

super cancer.

[pulsar ocean]

carcinogen

[cosmic zenith]

Better yet

How the fuck do you equip a new heart

[glacial wolf]

plot armor

[pulsar ocean]

Eat it

[glacial wolf]

the cal terrarian is literally just "i have plot armor" incarnate

[eager bluff]

on the fly open heart surgery

[long bloom]

this is true

[zenith geode]

i think the terrarian is strong enough to rip open their chest

[long bloom]

you canonically first try everything

[glacial wolf]

he's literally only as strong as he is because there isnt much else on terraria for him to fight or gather rnow

[long bloom]

respawning isn't canon

[long bloom]

and killing something as weak as king slime makes you talk of the town

wof level is like
you'd be a myth

[glacial wolf]

also based off of cynosure terrarian may become somewhat of a 3rd wall breaking entity when we kill him and finally get our hands on yharon's actual soul since we're already on par w yharim and stronger than yharon WITHOUT it

[abstract hedge]

What?

[eager bluff]

we will not get our hands on yharons soul

we dont know the ritual

[abstract hedge]

We're not getting an auric soul and becoming a god.

[long bloom]

you won't be able to ascend

[glacial wolf]

brute force it

[zenith geode]

killing a high end god like prov as a normal ass human with no attunement to a dragon puts you in history books across the world

[eager bluff]

that will not work

[glacial wolf]

potentially a good portion of the galaxy if they heard

[glacial wolf]

idk man its been workin so far

[zenith geode]

the only aliens that we know of iirc are ml (dead) and martians (i forget whats up with them)

[long bloom]

i don't think the martians gaf what's happening on terraria

[abstract hedge]

The ritual is long gone and it'd be really really really fucking hard to portray becoming a god in game, let alone when there's no canon protagonist.

[zenith geode]

also yeah martians would not give a shit

[abstract hedge]

Bold to assume there's anyone out in the galaxy.

[long bloom]

it's absolutely never going to happen in game

this has been stated by devs

[glacial wolf]

martians:

[glacial wolf]

true

[eager bluff]

you cannot brute force an ascension ritual and certainly not on yharon of all dragons

[abstract hedge]

Except everyone who became a god did know the ritual, it's just that everyone who knew it is either dead or would absolutely never tell you.

[zenith geode]

i remember hearing something about like dogma corpse trying to give you the ritual but being so rotted away that he cant remember

[glacial wolf]

learn mind reading
steal it

[pulsar ocean]

Why don’t we just google it are we stupid

[zenith geode]

or like chatgpt seahorse emoji kinda thing

[abstract hedge]

Ah yes the ONE planet with a long dead civilization means the universe is teaming with civilizations.

[eager bluff]

especially now that we forced yharon into respawn mode

[long bloom]

triangle?

[zenith geode]

maybe idr

[pulsar ocean]

why doesn’t the terrarian just download hunt of the old god and absorb souls without the ritual

[eager bluff]

...long dead?? my guy we literally see them in game

[glacial wolf]

terraria calamity cosmology makes no sense

[abstract hedge]

Doesn't one of the bestiary entries call them a long ruined society or something

[zenith geode]

dogma's probably the one person who would ever give you the ritual but he's not all there anymore

[long bloom]

note that draedon says the planets surrounding terraria are mostly barren and lifeless

[zenith geode]

xeroc sure as hell wouldnt

[glacial wolf]

are we like
the last living planet in the galaxy or sum shit

[long bloom]

their society is destroyed but the people are mostly still alive

[zenith geode]

actually draedon probably would if he knew

[long bloom]

mars was living clearly

[abstract hedge]

Idk it makes perfect sense to me. Just change stars to mana things, add deus, add martians, add Fovos, make the sun not a star and boom it's done.

[long bloom]

sun orbits the planet, is around the size of the moon and is less hot than brimstone crags lava

[abstract hedge]

Meant dead civilization as in like society is destroyed and civilization is gone, aka dead.

[glacial wolf]

tbf Draedom will probably create life again eventually and terraform the rest of the galaxy eventually to sustain life more reliably or smthn

its Draedon

he sees everything as an experiment

[long bloom]

potentially

[abstract hedge]

How the fuck would he do that

[pulsar ocean]

So you can live on the sun with an obsidian skin potion

[glacial wolf]

this would be the equivalent of getting an aquarium or terrarium irl

[zenith geode]

he's smart

[glacial wolf]

i mean

have you seen what he can do 😭

[zenith geode]

surely he has a dna bank like how we have seed banks

[long bloom]

he still hasn't figured out wireless teleportation though

[eager bluff]

more accurately why would he do that on a mass scale

[cosmic zenith]

Bro forgor

[glacial wolf]

he already made a semi living entity before that can replicate on mass

AHEM

THE PLAGUE

[zenith geode]

key word semi

[glacial wolf]

Yea that means he isnt too far off from fully living entities

also he made the dragon follies right

[zenith geode]

only problem is that requires souls

[eager bluff]

no

he did not make folly

[abstract hedge]

None of it is anywhere on the scale of terraforming like thousands of planets, like he's fit futuristic stuff but not "do literally whatever I want" levels of knowledge.

[zenith geode]

old lore

[eager bluff]

that is old lore

[abstract hedge]

No

[glacial wolf]

make an afk farm in the corruption and hallowed

[zenith geode]

current follies are just normal dragons that arose at some point

[abstract hedge]

Also I wouldn't consider the plague true life cause it's y'know nanobots.

[glacial wolf]

draedon is pretty patient so just give em time

[eager bluff]

he needs an actual reason to do something

[glacial wolf]

its semi life

[long bloom]

it's robots

[glacial wolf]

create life = more experiments = more knowledge

[eager bluff]

why does he need to terraform planets en masse to do that

[pulsar ocean]

Isn’t cal clone literally life or im missing something

[long bloom]

that's different

[glacial wolf]

because he states that the surrounding planets of terraria are dead and barren

lifeless

[zenith geode]

cloned, required pre existing life

actually

[raven brook]

hi lore chat what are we talking about

[zenith geode]

does calclone have a soul

[raven brook]

I mean yeah tahts kind of like

yk

[eager bluff]

yes. why does he need to terraform them en masse just for life to run experiments on

[raven brook]

how it is in real life too

Mars seemingly used to have life in canon

[abstract hedge]

Only way he's terraforming anything is after like ten thousand years if we're being incredibly optimistic and he goes at the exact same rate of progress and lives that long.

[glacial wolf]

yeah fair

[raven brook]

cuz, yk

martians

not anymore though

[glacial wolf]

controlled experiments thats why

[zenith geode]

retrofitting exo mechs for landscaping call them the excamechs

[eager bluff]

and why does he need a massive amount of planets for that

[pulsar ocean]

How does cal clone have consciousness

[glacial wolf]

make new robots

[raven brook]

I can see him doing it with one planet

Dunno why he'd need to do it with several

Like admittedly yeah

[glacial wolf]

i mean slowly over time eventually he'd do more

[raven brook]

Terraforming a barren planet to try simulating evolution of life and creating an ecosystem

sounds like smth he'd do

[glacial wolf]

also does draedon have a starship or smthn

[abstract hedge]

No

[raven brook]

Not that we know of given hes never left earth

He could probably make one

[zenith geode]

terraforming planets is wildly impractical until he gets wireless teleportation

even if there is good reason

[abstract hedge]

He has like a satellite or two iirc but that's kinda it.

[glacial wolf]

surprising considering it would be practical for exploration

[abstract hedge]

No need to make a space ship.

[eager bluff]

he probably COULD terraform planets en masse but there isnt any benefit to expanding to those planets and just having them be mostly useless for resource gathering

[raven brook]

Yeah but he'd probably get there eventually assuming he dosent somehow get shut down first

[raven brook]

He hasn't seen the need ot explore space yet

He's still comfoertable just hanging out on terraria

plenty of stuff that interests him here still

[zenith geode]

i dont doubt that he's got a bunch of satellites of his servers in orbit just in case

[glacial wolf]

key word yet

[abstract hedge]

Probes and such can do that far more efficiently.

[raven brook]

Yeah

Which is why as i said

He'd probably be able to make one

He just hasn't

Because he dosen't want to atm

[glacial wolf]

TBF its draedon

[eager bluff]

like id say its a lot more controllable to have one planet you observe while mining out a bunch of other ones for resources

[glacial wolf]

give em time and he'l explore into space

start makin life

and probably terraform

[pulsar ocean]

did draedon just throw cal clone out since she’s not a walking nuke like he wanted

[raven brook]

He didn't throw her out

[glacial wolf]

yes

[raven brook]

She escaped

[long bloom]

calamitas broke her out

[raven brook]

yeah

[glacial wolf]

also who the hell works for draedon

does he do all of this solo

[raven brook]

Some random scientists

They worked for him while hje was in the yharmy

[glacial wolf]

oh yeah the uh

messages

[raven brook]

Unsure if he still has workers under him but maybe

[abstract hedge]

No way he's terraforming a planet easily though, that's like ridiculously difficult even with like thousands of years and as many resources as exist on earth. Maybe he could eventually if he gets even more practically unlimited resources and even better tech though.

[zenith geode]

imbued a little bit of brimstone magic into her through some method (probably the same way brimmy did with calamitas herself)

[eager bluff]

experiment success? he can glass the planet and start a new experiment from scratch

[glacial wolf]

from the display holograms

[glacial wolf]

would need a space ship or cruiser to bring resources back probably

[abstract hedge]

Or do one of the weird launch station things that are most realistic and efficient or whatever.

Like where you just fling resources back, not sure how good of a idea that is though.

Idk I'm not a rocket engineer.

[glacial wolf]

ok just checked vanila moonlord is infact

the eldritch god

Cthulhu

[raven brook]

Yeah chtulhu is kinda comically overhyped

He gets beaten by a boat in the book

Like regular ass boat

A boat rams into it and he goes ouch owie and goes back to sleep

[glacial wolf]

weakest eldritch god but like

[raven brook]

Fovos is 100%| stronger than him im sorry 😭

[glacial wolf]

fair

[glacial wolf]

i mean

we dunno if its actually him

[raven brook]

If anything terraria ml is probably stronger than canon hp lovecraft chtulhu

[glacial wolf]

from the book

or like

[eager bluff]

ok so

[glacial wolf]

probably

[eager bluff]

your argument is

its cthulhu thats why its stronger

and when we say cthulhu is weaker

you say

[glacial wolf]

no

[eager bluff]

oh but we dont know if its cthulhu

[raven brook]

chtulhu lovecraft is scary not becasue its super strong but because its a herald of a entire group of horrible eldritch space gods or w/e + it can do fucky psychic shit to people

[glacial wolf]

we dunno if its hp lovecraft accurate

[plucky juniper]

You genuinely should be more afraid of Nyarly

[eager bluff]

hp lovecraft accurate is whatever he wants im pretty sure the guy wrote stories about how oranges are satanic

[glacial wolf]

the guy was crazy

[raven brook]

hp lovecraft was a very uh

"funny" man

[long bloom]

hah
drugs

[eager bluff]

"it could scare even hp lovecraft" not a high bar he was scared of air conditioning

[raven brook]

He was like a bigot but in the most insane way possible

[abstract hedge]

Base Terraria ML very much is not accurate to the books considering it's missing its legs and was sealed in the moon by a race of dryads. I haven't read Lovecraft so maybe all that stuff happens in it though.

[raven brook]

He was like. really pathethic

[light moth]

hi lore chat what r we talking bout

[night barn]

he was scared of everyone that wasn't white bro

[glacial wolf]

he got ripped to shreds by a bunch of cosmic dryads

[eager bluff]

he was scared of everyone in general

[raven brook]

He was homophobic but like

[long bloom]

you are describing sigmund freud

[raven brook]

literally

[night barn]

he had a FEAR of black people

[raven brook]

like he was literally SCARED of gay peope

[night barn]

and gay people yeah

[raven brook]

YEAH

[plucky juniper]

he was just phobic of like, everything man

[night barn]

which

[raven brook]

He was also scared of uh

[abstract hedge]

Didn't he write a story where some wizard curses a bloodline for everyone to die before a certain age but it turns out the wizard was just murdering them all or something?

[raven brook]

penguins

[plucky juniper]

its really weird

[night barn]

to be fair

[raven brook]

air conditioning

i dont know what else

[eager bluff]

he was scared of people that werent rich white guys that were exactly the same as his

[plucky juniper]

except for cats apparently

[long bloom]

why. did he name his cat That then

[plucky juniper]

old timey racists were really weird

[night barn]

didn't he name it like blackguy destroyer 9000

[eager bluff]

i think either the color orange or the fruit

[eager bluff]

no he named it a racial slur

[raven brook]

HP Lovecraft is like those memes about victorian children

but like. real.

[night barn]

oh

[raven brook]

if you showed hp lovecraft tetris he'd explode

[night barn]

probably the same reason people nowadays name their cats like

[raven brook]

he'd have a heart attack and die

[glacial wolf]

also i assume that WOTG makes the terrarian like 800x stronger simply because u can survive a LITERAL ACTUAL STAR falling on you

[night barn]

the root of all evil or whatever

[glacial wolf]

its a small one butlike

[night barn]

just an old racist version of that

[abstract hedge]

Yeah also the nameless deity is capital G God or something.

[plucky juniper]

it was literally the nword, and most hilariously he actually liked that cat

[glacial wolf]

they are

also nameless is like on par with them

but is a rabbid eating machine

[plucky juniper]

like, he loved his cat that he gave a slur as its name so much that it shows up in one of his stories

its

that cat

[raven brook]

Btw unrelated

I keep getting gambling ads

just thought id let you guys know

feel like the universe is trying to trell me something

[glacial wolf]

like

[sturdy sail]

stake ads are the most annoying

but anyway this is the lore discussion

[eager bluff]

ok from a blog post lovecraft was scared of:
invertebrates, marine life in general, temperatures below freezing, fat people, people of other races, race-mixing, slums, percussion instruments, caves, cellars, old age, great expanses of time, monumental architecture, non-Euclidean geometry, deserts, oceans, rats, dogs, the New England countryside, New York City, fungi and molds, viscous substances, medical experiments, dreams, brittle textures, gelatinous textures, the color gray, plant life of diverse sorts, memory lapses, old books, heredity, mists, gases, whistling, and whispering

[glacial wolf]

EVEN THE BLACKHOLE IS SURVIVABLE

[glacial wolf]

w...WHISPERING?!?!?

😭

[night barn]

atp just give up

[glacial wolf]

some of those r valid like oceans

[night barn]

to be real

[glacial rampart]

"Hey Mr. Lovecraft, I think your cat really likes me! What did you say his name was, again?"

[glacial wolf]

deserts r spooky
caves (its a cave)
cellars (its a cellar)

[eager bluff]

i dont think this is a comprehensive list either there are more

[strong quail]

Guys try not to take this too far please

[raven brook]

fucked up

[glacial wolf]

the
BLACK
HOLE
does 500 damage

😭

[glacial rampart]

medical experiments is lowk valid

[glacial wolf]

newly born and has like zero mass but its still a BLACK
HOLE

[zenith geode]

what the fuck was wrong with this guy its like how boomers describe millennials

[glacial wolf]

yeah right

also invertebrates is fair

bugs r gross

[eager bluff]

black holes are not nearly as scary as you think

[zenith geode]

VISCOUS SUBSTANCES???????????

[glacial rampart]

banned !

[glacial wolf]

fungi and molds r usually lethal

[raven brook]

ok the hp lovecraft discussion has been going for a while now

guys listen to the slightly less green people

[night barn]

bros afraid of syrup

[glacial wolf]

yea

[glacial wolf]

as a canadian im offended /j

[long bloom]

what does yharo

[eager bluff]

nothing

[zenith geode]

would lovecraft be scared of yharon

[raven brook]

yeah

i mean

i think most poeople would

is that even a question

[glacial wolf]

yeah
wait isnt yharim like 8 feet tall

and he's all burnt

[pulsar ocean]

hp lovecraft Cthulhu has aura tho

[zenith geode]

thats yharim

[eager bluff]

wrong one

[zenith geode]

yharon is the dragon

[glacial wolf]

sorry

[long bloom]

9

[glacial wolf]

meant yharim

typo

[raven brook]

like yeah he'd be afraid of the giant fire breathing genocidal dragon that can fly

[eager bluff]

but yes lovecraft would be extra scared of yharon

[raven brook]

i think thats pretty valid

[zenith geode]

people would probably be scared of yharim if they knew who he was

[glacial wolf]

Yharim is also like

[long bloom]

andre the giant

[raven brook]

I dont think you even need to know who he is dude

[glacial wolf]

over 7 ft tall

[zenith geode]

normal people would be scared of yharon

[glacial wolf]

so like

[light linden]

yharim is darth vader

[long bloom]

9

[raven brook]

Hes a giant dude with like super electric gold armour and a huge sword

[glacial wolf]

DAMN HE'S TALLER THAN BOTH DOOM SLAYER AND MASTER CHIEF

[raven brook]

i think amost people would be scared

reasonably so

[glacial wolf]

i mean granted doom slayer is short

he's like 6 feet WITH THE ARMOR

[eager bluff]

they would be scared of him if they SAW HIM he is 9 feet tall wearing full plate armor and built like a brick shithouse

[glacial wolf]

also the terrarian somehow carrying the same weight as the earth on his back

[eager bluff]

he is almost the size of a minivan i think if one of those stood up and started walking around it would be unreasonable to not be scared

[long bloom]

you're also as strong as yharim

by the end

[glacial wolf]

yes but faster

and like

[raven brook]

Is this a "well steve can hold 64 gold blocks in his inventory" moment

[long bloom]

who says yharim isn't fast

[glacial wolf]

really angry

[raven brook]

if it is im killing you

[pulsar ocean]

it must be so inconvenient to mine for yharim

[zenith geode]

could yharim beat base terrarian (toxic heart)

[long bloom]

no

[glacial wolf]

maybe

depends on how we scale moonlord

[eager bluff]

no

[long bloom]

why can't we scale yharim

[eager bluff]

actually

[pulsar ocean]

How much primordial wyrms to beat yharim

[eager bluff]

it depends on if he has any debuffs or not

[glacial wolf]

cus moonlord is either a coughing baby or stronger than yharim in vanila

[strong quail]

One

[zenith geode]

prime ml nukes the shit out of yharim

current ml is coughing baby

[glacial wolf]

as we stated earlier

hp lovecraft Cthulhu was a coughing baby

[long bloom]

yharim currently has 2 feats:
-can cause a shockwave strong enough to kill hundreds of people and destroy multiple city blocks with one punch
-can cleave a small mountain in half with his sword

[glacial wolf]

he'd die to a single missile to the head probably

[zenith geode]

tbf prime ml killed most of the dragons and took away their revival

[pulsar ocean]

Why didn’t yharim ask draedon to make auric grenades that implode more stuff upon impact

[zenith geode]

he'd wipe the floor with like 100 yharims

[glacial wolf]

vanila Terrarian has:
solar armor (armor made of a star)

[eager bluff]

prime moon lord halved the population of the dragons and even after all that they couldnt even kill it

[glacial wolf]

VANILA

moonlord

[long bloom]

made of primordial light actually

[glacial wolf]

aka a weakened Cthulhu

[raven brook]

What about vanilla ml makes it stronger

[long bloom]

oh vanilla

[zenith geode]

vanilla ml gets his shit beaten in

[glacial wolf]

VANILA

terrarian

[pulsar ocean]

but like
It takes 40 perfectly coordinated yharims to take down xeroc

[glacial wolf]

so like

an actual star

[raven brook]

No but like still what about vanilla ml makes it stronger

[glacial wolf]

for armor

[eager bluff]

vanilla ml eats shit and dies

[raven brook]

How do you know that solar in vanilla is an actual star

[long bloom]

why are we talking about vanilla terrarian

[raven brook]

You make it out of Solar Pillar

[zenith geode]

attunementless yharim could probably mog vanilla ml

[glacial wolf]

no where else states otherwise

[raven brook]

So like

[long bloom]

absolutely

[raven brook]

There's nothing confirming its not = thus it is

???

by that logic i can just sayt like

[long bloom]

you can't prove a negative

[raven brook]

yeah man vanilla moon lord is actually god

from the bible

nothing says he isnt

also he's german

ntohing says he isnt

hes god from the bible and hes german

[eager bluff]

nowhere else states that sand isnt made of the sun so clearly that means its made of the sun

[long bloom]

the planet is actually a giant onion

prove me wrong

[zenith geode]

it does have layers

[pulsar ocean]

where do status and broiler scale if they beat yharim

[zenith geode]

thats good enough for me

[long bloom]

high

[zenith geode]

terraria is an onion theory - CONFIRMED ✅

[raven brook]

Braelor is probably like calamitas/exos level in my eyes, maybe a little weaker

like yharon level

he'd be strong enough to fight yharim to standstill before he got his exos upgrades so

Statis i think is weaker though

Like early post ml level

[long bloom]

i agrees

[eager bluff]

i think he beats yharon in a fight but i dont think he beats scal and exos
statis is probably like beats polter but loses to dog (canonical)

[raven brook]

I think a bit lower than that

[long bloom]

dog jumped him that's not fair

[raven brook]

Beating polter implies he could win against provi

Which idt is the case tbh

I think Statis is more like

Evil2/Deus/Guardians tier

He dosen't seem like as much of a direct fighter

More of a stealthy guy that provides support and whatnot

[long bloom]

braelor is the beat the shit out of you guy yeah

[pulsar ocean]

how did braelor tank auric rejection with plant armor

[long bloom]

statis is more of an assassin

[long bloom]

silva blessing

[eager bluff]

he is just that good

[plucky juniper]

honestly

im gonna go with both

[long bloom]

technically the terrarian can also tank auric rejection with plant armor

[plucky juniper]

i doubt silva's blessing would make him immune, but i feel like it'd give him some amount of endurance over the rejection

[raven brook]

I mean i'm sure the auric rejection would hurt him if yharim punched his ass but his armor and divine blessing would give him resilience to it

[plucky juniper]

but also braelor is that kind of guy to push through insane stuff

[raven brook]

Yeah this

The same way you can wear armor to protect yourself from attacks

Same principle generally

He isn't immune to it but he can resist it

[plucky juniper]

like it kinda hurts but uh

[raven brook]

Plus i imagine he has more than enough willpower to endure through the pain of being baja blasted by electricity

[plucky juniper]

look at him

[raven brook]

yeah .

[plucky juniper]

ya thats what im saying

[pulsar ocean]

terrarian doesn’t even get exploded

[eager bluff]

as i said he is just that good

[raven brook]

braelor goat

[eager bluff]

he is just built different

[raven brook]

if only he was actually ingame ...

one day

[long bloom]

potenti-

[raven brook]

Give me a cutscene of braelor in the distortion beating dogs ass or something

[plucky juniper]

fuck it

let us get braelor and statis as allies during the dog fight

[long bloom]

i wish when you find braelor he's just going doomguy on all the random distortion fucks

[plucky juniper]

that would be fucking awesome unironically

[raven brook]

You enter the distortion's inner rim and get a cutscene of dog trying to ambush you but then braelor swoops in and hits his bitchass with his axe, making him run away for the time being and thats the intro to the braelor npc

🔥

[eager bluff]

i have a mental image of braelor in the distortion doing the hulk thing to dog

[plucky juniper]

imagine braelor saving you from a dog lunge by blocking him with his bare hands

[raven brook]

How long has plant boy been in the distortion again

Like a year right?

Poor guy

[long bloom]

just
punches him in the face and redirects him

[zenith geode]

what has he been eating

[raven brook]

I think 1 year is still not THAT long so hes probably still fairly sane but damn bro must be lonely

[eager bluff]

alternatively he just starts boxing dog with like saxton hale energy

[long bloom]

cosmic brownies

[raven brook]

I mean the distortion is a whole realm wtih diff biomes and all that

I'm usre there's stuff u can eat there

[zenith geode]

alright but is it consumable by humans

[long bloom]

he can drink cosmilite :)

[eager bluff]

braelor can probably make it edible for humans

[zenith geode]

like im assuming that the cosmilite is the basis of at least some life there

[raven brook]

Distortion trees that you can chop to get 2 random fruits that give you the tier 1 food buff

[raven brook]

I mean idk if thatd necessarily be the case

[eager bluff]

disciple of the life goddess and whatnot

[raven brook]

Cosmilite is just a Thing that exist sin the distortion

We don't really know enough to go as far as to say its the base of life there, there could still be water

[long bloom]

i imagine it's like oil on earth or something

not water

[zenith geode]

i think its like a metal required for life kinda like iron or sodium

[long bloom]

possibly

wait dog bleeding cosmilite could be sick

[zenith geode]

idea: cosmilite bars in your inventory melt when you go to the desert or hell

[eager bluff]

this is how we obtain cosmilite currently

[raven brook]

I generally like to think the distortion is still a living, breathing enviroment with more than just evil glorpshits on it

there sstill "animals" and that sort of thing

Its just that a large part of it is overtaken by noxus and his hive mind

[pulsar ocean]

he’s in noxuses evil lair

[zenith geode]

i doubt that the distortion is like 200 degrees at all time

[eager bluff]

i like to think of the distortion as

its a fully functional ecosystem in its own right

when you arent there it keeps going without being too different from terraria

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t the astral biome shrink overtime

[eager bluff]

it just so happens that everything there hates your guts and wants you dead

[agile matrix]

isnt Braelor the Champion of Silva or am i misremembering

or is this Not Braelor and instead Stasis

[eager bluff]

yes

he would be the champion of silva

[pulsar ocean]

more like CHUMP of silva

[agile matrix]

is That the guy in the Evil Zone or is that Statis

[pulsar ocean]

🤣 🤣 🤣 ✌️ ✌️

[zenith geode]

i forget how much of statis has been revealed

yeah braelor is still trapped in the evil zone

[agile matrix]

didnt Statis Die

[eager bluff]

no

[zenith geode]

no

[pulsar ocean]

No

[zenith geode]

he made a deal

[eager bluff]

with the devil

from the bible

[pulsar ocean]

did shadow limbs come with the deal package

[agile matrix]

A Devilish Deal

[pulsar ocean]

or he got them somewhere else

[eager bluff]

no

he made prosthetics

[agile matrix]

anyways yea Braelor i think is Mostly Okay? Like Halfways Okay

[pulsar ocean]

shadow prosthetics

[long bloom]

whuh

[eager bluff]

he is alive he is surviving he is not dead

[agile matrix]

Champion of Life = Probably able to Use Some of That Life

[eager bluff]

that is his status

[agile matrix]

no i mean like

Sanity Wise

[zenith geode]

yeah braelor's prolly not doing so hot mental wise considering the lack of people

[pulsar ocean]

unless noxus comes on a stroll around the distortion and sees him

[agile matrix]

like Halfways Okay; Not Thriving but He's At Least Sound

since. Life. Probably able to Make Little Guys to Keep Him Company

[long bloom]

what does noxus even do all day

[eager bluff]

im gonna be real i think being the champion of the goddess of life is actually a bad thing for him mentally in this situation

[pulsar ocean]

Sit in his lair?

[agile matrix]

being the Champion of like. Evil Shit would be Bad

[zenith geode]

sit on his couch slurping godly essence from his double doggy gulp cup

[eager bluff]

cackle evilly

[agile matrix]

but being the Champion of Life means you're Probably Pretty Happy

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

do we have a Design of Braelor

[pulsar ocean]

noxus tax

[eager bluff]

not only does he not have any connection to the outside world, he also knows that he isnt gonna be dying here so he cant even wish for that if the despair gets to him

[agile matrix]

because i Mentally Envision them as like. Hesphaetus.

[agile matrix]

ACK. THE BLUE.

[long bloom]

???

[eager bluff]

there is no blue in that image

[long bloom]

his eyes are green

[night barn]

bro knows he a baddie 🙂‍↕️

[agile matrix]

that is Not Green

[pulsar ocean]

Ur colorblind

[agile matrix]

what the Fuck that was Blue

[zenith geode]

when someone says something so lifephobic that you gotta hit them with that silva eyed stare

[eager bluff]

this is green

[night barn]

his eyes are definitely green

[agile matrix]

yea That is green

i saw like

yknow seaglass

Seaglass Blue

[pulsar ocean]

Do green eyes come with being the champ

[agile matrix]

anyways yea that is Not the Hunk i Envisioned.

is Statis also Thin and Nimble

[pulsar ocean]

Do we know what color big yhar har’s eyes are

[long bloom]

no

[eager bluff]

nope

[zenith geode]

we know nothing about how he looks beneath that armour iirc

[agile matrix]

Why are all of These Concept Arts so Whimsical and Kind

[eager bluff]

dont even know his skin color but it can be assumed to be pale considering he has been wearing that suit of armor for like almost a hundred years straight

[agile matrix]

i Expected Signus but Humanoid

[fading sun]

fukin hel

[agile matrix]

no see That makes sense

[eager bluff]

statis made a deal with the devil he is not signus 2

[eager bluff]

mods

kill them

[agile matrix]

mentally from what i Remember

[fading sun]

newgens man

[pulsar ocean]

You think yharim ever went to swim around in the ocean and all sealife around him died

[agile matrix]

they, in my head, look like Signus but Less Evil

[light linden]

no

no not again

do not

[eager bluff]

you are the newgen here you dont know the history

[long bloom]

signus

[agile matrix]

yea

[fading sun]

i dont really remember who but there was some guy who posted ts whenever they appeared kana or smth

[agile matrix]

imagine That but Less Floating, Less Whooshy, and more Shurikens

[light linden]

cease

[long bloom]

they were banned for a reason

[pulsar ocean]

Doesn’t have too much limbs for the guy that collects them

[light linden]

do not speak their name

[eager bluff]

we do not speak of kana

[fading sun]

awful

[long bloom]

he eated them

yummy

[pulsar ocean]

does storm weaver weave storms

[fading sun]

humongous fall off

storm weaver coolest boss design ever

[agile matrix]

Coolest in Theory

Worst in Execution

and in Theory but whatever

[eager bluff]

there are far worse

[zenith geode]

cough cough exos current dog

[agile matrix]

of Sentinels

[eager bluff]

cough cough signus cough cough

[zenith geode]

signus does nothing

[agile matrix]

CV doesnt count because they literally do not do anything and Signus is. Middling.

[zenith geode]

ceaseless is banger boss, top 1 in calamity

[agile matrix]

Signus is at least a Running Test. Storm Weaver is just a Flying Worm.

Its A Wyvern.

with Some Wooshy

[eager bluff]

signus is a corite

[agile matrix]

CV is Sucks.

[pulsar ocean]

Cv is peaks

[pulsar ocean]

can springtrap beat yharim

[light linden]

no

yharim will literally rip him apart

[agile matrix]

"Can This Hamster Beat The Lion from The Jungle"

like Springtraps just A Guy.

A Half Immortal Guy but he's Just A Dude

[worldly spindle]

LMAOOO

[agile matrix]

Yharim Presses Fucking 500, Easily

Springtrap Snaps at the Thought of a Weight

[light linden]

alternatively

the zombie robot man will get immediately cooked by the electric armor

[agile matrix]

actually

no

They Wouldn't

Theres No Affect of Auric Armor v. Person Last i Checked

I'm like 30% Sure Auric Tesla in Specifically Armor Form doesnt have Negative Electrical Effect

[raven brook]

there is

yharim can wear it because hes attuned

you can wear it because you do mock attunement with soul shards

if yharim like punched someone with his armor alone theyd get electricity baja blasted

[agile matrix]

Really

why Doesnt it Do That with Us

like

if We hit someone with a Metal Rod, Why doesnt it Gigablast Them

[raven brook]

do what

[agile matrix]

The Baja blast

[raven brook]

because you cant hit people with items that arent weapons in hit game terraria

[agile matrix]

No like

if i Punched a Metal Rod

then hit Someone

with that Rod

[raven brook]

also im pretty usre mock attunement nullifies it as a whole anyways

[agile matrix]

would they be Baja'd

[raven brook]

because the auric soul shards are on the crafting recipe so

so i think the auric stuff you craft just cant auric reject

[pulsar ocean]

is big yhar the only dude to attune

[raven brook]

as a whole

because you cancelled that out with the soul shards]

[raven brook]

Only one left alive anyways sincce all other dragons fucking died

im sure there were more in the past

[agile matrix]

i'd presume he's the only guy ever to Not Kill but Infact Attune With The Soul of a Living Breathing Killing Dragon

given.
Yknow.
The Whole Pit of Fire Thing

[raven brook]

Eh

I highly doubt hes the only one

You're telling me that out of like every single dragon in historyh considering there was a entire sapient population of them none of them ever attuned wtih a mortal

[agile matrix]

i mean like

not to This Extent i wouldnt think

like Maybe Gluttony decided "hey man. i'll like. get you really cool things. all you gotta do is go get me some Aeringles. that sound good.

[pulsar ocean]

before ml came no one besides the dragons really lived on the surface and I doubt the monks ever tried to attune

[raven brook]

There were other people in the surface, Chrysadia

Also isnt the monks entire thing that they were incredibly close to dragons

Would be surprised if it wasnt the oppposite

[pulsar ocean]

The only monk we know slimed out John dragon

[agile matrix]

i mean you can be Close to things while not being Objectively Nearby Them

[raven brook]

Also there's also the possibility of humans attuning to dragons after ml

[agile matrix]

like imagine a group of Wizened Guys who Pray to the Dragons Solely Because the Dragons Bring Them Cool Shit

[raven brook]

I'm a stickler for the theory xeroc was attuned to zeratros so yk

[agile matrix]

"Oh thank you Great Ones, you honor us with your gifts. What is this you bring today?"
"its called a Flower. you grow em in the dirt. add some water and some Lunarock we brought you. looks really nice."

[raven brook]

I don't think human and dragon relationship was limited only to worship

[agile matrix]

well yes but It'd Be Funny.

[raven brook]

The same way the relationship of mortals with gods isn't just of worship either

[agile matrix]

• monks are often more. Religious?? in my head at least.

++ hundreds of dragons, thousands of Guys

statistically you're gonna have one that Does This and Another who Likes to Eat Dirt

[thick slate]

i like dragons

[agile matrix]

do you think the Band Imagine Dragons came Before or After the Auric Age

[thick slate]

after

cuz they are imagining

[agile matrix]

Hmm.

You bring a Fair Point

[thick slate]

not called perceive dragons

[feral skiff]

this reminds me of the really bad angry birds movie scene where they go “I eat dirt”

and then he just spits out dirt for some reason

[stiff berry]

it essentially is

still on dev but inactive

[real silo]

I mean isn't that pretty much confirmed since human xeroc's concept has him wearing auric

[pulsar ocean]

What

Where

[night barn]

yeah it seems pretty darn true

[pulsar ocean]

Where’s the auric

Not a single lightning bolt in sight

[agile matrix]

is that "Auric" or is that just Gold

most Auric in media seems to have like. a Well its gotta put its power into

otherwise it kinda just Courses Around

(and that Well is often Blue)

[pulsar ocean]

so is he bald or long haired

[agile matrix]

Bald

[mighty zenith]

well. he was a dragon monk

and auric is the dragon. thing

[agile matrix]

well yea but theres a noticable lack of Blue

Sin Cloak

which is a Very Pretty Oceanic :) i like It

[mighty zenith]

tbf this is xeroc like hundreds of years ago

[agile matrix]

well Yea

[mighty zenith]

auric weapons dont necessarily shine blue

[real silo]

Auric doesn't glow blue unless it's rejecting something

[agile matrix]

they dont, but they tend to Hold Blue with them

like uhh

Pull Yharim rq

specifically Before Current, the one iwth a lot of Pores

like here

[robust osprey]

thats cuz blue looks cool

[agile matrix]

yes

[robust osprey]

and yharim wanted it on armor

simple

[agile matrix]

but the same applies with Ours

and Most Shown Aurics (last i checked)

[mighty zenith]

keep in mind for xeroc its only a mask seemingly

[agile matrix]

well Yea

[mighty zenith]

yharim and we get full armor suits

[agile matrix]

i just supposed it was Gold

[robust osprey]

xeroc is actually made out of xeroc bars

[agile matrix]

Truth?

[mighty zenith]

true@

[agile matrix]

i keep mentally confusing Xeroc with uhh

big evil construct. whats his fuckin name

AoE WotG

[robust osprey]

noxus?

[agile matrix]

Noxus

yea

[robust osprey]

happens

it used to happen to me too

[agile matrix]

both have really weird names and i just know Xeroc as "The Big Eyeball During Boss Rush"

[pulsar ocean]

Not seeing any blue lightning bolts which indicates it’s just gold and xeroc is a fraud

[agile matrix]

i mean does Auric react to Oxygen

[mighty zenith]

no

[agile matrix]

is it Hydrophobia

or. not. hydrophobia.

[pulsar ocean]

replace ydr with om

[agile matrix]

Hhomophobia?

[pulsar ocean]

Shiit

[agile matrix]

Hhggregg

[reef wigeon]

Yes, and a black hole that is SIMPLY WORSE than that

[reef wigeon]

I was just thinking something like, "you lose but you're not dead", at least for my terrarian

[light linden]

been wondering

how fast does DoG canonically move?

[agile matrix]

im pretty sure we calc'd this

few hundred kilometers per Hour

or

not hour

good lot of kilometers in a second

[light linden]

actually wait stip would probably know

@cosmic zenith hey how fast is DoG in lore?

[cosmic zenith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[light linden]

[cosmic zenith]

This seems so extra....

We haven't gotten to that point yet

[agile matrix]

using Malice stats, its 645 MPH, using Pixels Per Tick

[light linden]

I'm wondering if there's anything that could stop him in flight

[agile matrix]

a Wall. Probably.

[light linden]

eh

[agile matrix]

most Fast Things tend to Stop if you give them a Really Thick Tungsten Carbide Cube to Slam their Face into

[light linden]

he's wearing cosmic super metal and if he's moving 645 mph he'd probably burst through most walls

[agile matrix]

Yes

Tungsten Carbide can stop like. 99% of most Human Creations

it'd probably stop 50%

of Not Human Creations

[light linden]

you gotta remember

tungsten is dramatically weaker than cosmilite

[agile matrix]

Tungsten is

Tungsten Carbide Is Graphite + Very Heavy Metal

Strongest material in the Universe

(Statistically)

[light linden]

worth mentioning

tungsten carbide is weak to sharp impacts iirc

especially from something of a similar density

[agile matrix]

is it ? i thought it was MEANT for sharp objects

i mean alternatively just Graphene

big Net of the Shit

[split mortar]

Ok and we are dealing with fantasy materials your point being

[light linden]

anything weak to an impact from a sharp point will not work very well vs DoG I'd imagine

[agile matrix]

Fantasy Materials often have Rules and Regulation

[light linden]

since he has giant claw mandible things covered in a cosmic super metal

[split mortar]

What even is this point

[dusk laurel]

💔

[agile matrix]

Materials have to have Melting, Breaking, Allat

ergo, there's likely a Material that Stops A 645 MPH Train made of Cosmolite

[split mortar]

That
What
Just because theres a limit on the fantasy metal does not mean irl beats it what

[agile matrix]

wrong point taken; a brick wall stops a car because the car distributes its force into the wall

but it still keeps going, since the force distributed is stronger than the force the wall can take

if you had a hundred brick walls lined up perfectly together, they would stop the car

ergo, if you have a strong enough wall, you stop Anything; its just a Matter of Making The Wall

[split mortar]

So your point is enough quantity beats quality?
Then
It being tungsten carbide does not matter
Coulda used any solid material irl then

[agile matrix]

like Reasonably this'd stop them

[agile matrix]

correct; Tungsten Carbides just the first thing that came to mind when i thought of "Good At Stopping"

[noble falcon]

DoG crumpling up like a piece of tinfoil when I speed build a tungsten brick barrier while he’s in the middle of his aura farming chat lines

[agile matrix]

exactly

[noble falcon]

A god may not fear death, but what it should fear is a giant wall of actuated metal blocks and me right next to a switch

This sounds like a looney toons bit

[distant smelt]

Me when i switch off the actuated luminite bricks right ss DoG flies through them, causing him to violently explode due to speculative physics

[snow smelt]

i arise from a nearly two year lurk with a borderline sadistic thought: since you can play as a dragon through several mods by Turtleren, imagine if you, as a dragon, were able to obtain yharon's full auric soul and perform The Ritual

crucially, however, this does not result in a new auric dragon.

[subtle geyser]

Now, now, hear me out guys.

[agile matrix]

wdym Hear Me Out

[subtle geyser]

Maybe I may have not been the best person, but you can't say that the gods are good either and as we all know there is no such thing as nuance so you should pick my side.

[zenith geode]

true true

[subtle geyser]

Exactly! See? Woke lesbian Jesus gets it.

[scenic olive]

do you think yharim ever takes off his armor

[feral skiff]

no

never

that would leave him vulnerable to assassination criminal warrior jump attacks

[warm gull]

yharim has a stillsuit in there

he doesn't need to take it off

it also has a deployable straw

and a circulating integrated shower system

[real silo]

Where does the water go

Does he fart it out as vapor

[warm gull]

it gets cleaned and then reused

[real silo]

Portable water plant

[thick slate]

what if he eats it

[agile matrix]

its Implied that the Layered Panels are Larger than his Mandibles can Open

[thick slate]

what if uses his fucking

purple flames of doom

and melts yo shit

[agile matrix]

hmm.

Carbide isnt very Burnable im like 75% sure

[thick slate]

mfs its purple

[light linden]

it's also not normal fire

[thick slate]

you can use ur nerdy ass science to counter fiction

jet fuel cant melt steel beams but godslayer flames can

[agile matrix]

hmmm.

idk how Hot is Godslayer

also, there is a Lot of metal

it has to Use Heat to Burn the Metal before it can Pass Through

so he'd need to make enough Fireballs that are Large Enough to Fit

[cosmic minnow]

Just develop a 20 meter thick composite armor

Out of ceramic, tungsten and depleted uranium

Like on modern tanks

[light linden]

y'all are forgetting he's a very sharp and very tough giant who is covered in a metal dramatically stronger than tungsten

this is like firing an rpg at a wooden wall

[agile matrix]

Yes

have you Seen some Walls

[cosmic minnow]

I wonder if anyone has ever calculated the kinetic energy DoG would produce

on impact

[agile matrix]

Like someone said Earlier, Feasibly Any Material, when Repeated Enough, Stops Them

[light linden]

also

y'all are forgetting the fact that it'd take a LOT of material to build a wall big enough for him to try and charge through it

you'd prolly need half a moon's worth of metal to make a wall that'd even slow him down

it'd also probably need to be able to bend to absorb the impact

[agile matrix]

You Asked This Man

[zenith geode]

consider: watch him crumple like a tin can

[agile matrix]

we're Not looking for Feasibility, we're looking for "A Thing That Stops Him"

[light linden]

again

[zenith geode]

if its large enough its weight will be enough

[light linden]

there isn't much that could stop him from boring a hole through it

[agile matrix]

theres Two ways i'd think

[long bloom]

he wouldn't do that
cosmilite is elastic

[zenith geode]

fuckkkkkkkkkk

[light linden]

uhh

DoG isn't made of cosmilite

[agile matrix]

1. He just Slams into it and turns into a Galactic Puddle
2. He's Steadily Slwoed Down

[light linden]

....is he?

[long bloom]

armor

[zenith geode]

he is fleshy on the inside

[light linden]

also completely off topic

y'all think braelor could give DoG the SM64 bowser treatment?

[long bloom]

probably

[light linden]

I wonder how physically strong someone has to be to do that

[long bloom]

it's impossible, the amount of leverage you'd need to overcome would tear your arms off before you moved him an inch

but yharim can cleave a small mountain in half so idk

[agile matrix]

i mean, what difficulty are we considering

Each Higher Difficulty has More Segments iirc, so you'd need to me a Steadily Increasing Amount of Weight per Each Segment

[long bloom]

revengeance is the "canon" difficulty

[light linden]

is there a canon reason why DoG's tail is his weakpoint?

I can understand his face

[long bloom]

just gameplay probably

[pulsar ocean]

does dog taste purple

[pulsar ocean]

Revengeance is the intended calamity experience hence its canon

[split mortar]

I mean yeah it results in a god dragon not a auric dragon

[pulsar ocean]

god dragon king lord yharon

[split mortar]

You will not make it out the sun

[snow smelt]

now imagine how yharim would feel about a god dragon rocking up to his doorstep :3

[split mortar]

Unless they were auric beforehand i imagine yharim would care more the god ate yharon
Not to say yharim wouldnt see it as a big afront to the auric dragons and potential insulting mimicry of them
Overall super pissed and probably how you end up with yharim body slamming you through a mountain suddenly

-# and auric springtrapped by his armour and fried to death

[subtle geyser]

No, my shit is melted off, I can't let people see my chopped ass face under the helmet.

[subtle geyser]

I find it hilarious that your argument isn't that it's magic fire and rather that it's purple.

[subtle geyser]

What if he just, you know, opens a portal and goes past it?

[split mortar]

Hotter then the surface of the sun or else the post ml fire debuff is colder then crags lava

[scenic olive]

cosmic freeze debuff

[thick slate]

purpel

[errant swallow]

yall think yharons gonna come back?

[subtle geyser]

He probably will after like another thousand years.

[mighty zenith]

more like ten

[subtle geyser]

Also, Susie Deltarune real!

[errant swallow]

oh

i thought he comes back quicker

so he could reappear for yharim fight or smth

[worldly spindle]

Doubtful

[pulsar ocean]

He comes back like 10 years after dying

[worldly spindle]

Isn’t Yharon’s theme Yharon telling Yharim that fighting the player is a bad idea

[subtle geyser]

Only ten years?

[worldly spindle]

Doubt Yharon would want the smoke again

[subtle geyser]

He would if it meant protecting his friend, that's kind of the point of the song.

[worldly spindle]

True actually

[subtle geyser]

To be fair, even if the player doesn't pull up on Yhari- I mean me, I would probably be dead of old age before my man respawns.

This is a subtle reference to how we'll all be dead of old age before the Yharim fight gets implemented.

[worldly spindle]

[glacial wolf]

just wait for dominic to get impatient

😭

[split mortar]

Lucille

[glacial wolf]

i forgor they changed it

[mighty zenith]

i don't think lucille wants to deal with cal's community anymore

which is very fair

[scenic olive]

2 vs 1 jumping

still didnt beat 3 vs 1 calamitas

[errant swallow]

excactl

cuz yharim is kinda weak

i mean

if my homie started talking about how this guy is gonna cook me in a fight before he died it would prolly be true

[worldly spindle]

I think it’s more of a testament to how strong we’ve become

[pulsar ocean]

can’t wait for wrath of the godseeker

[buoyant inlet]

Throudon mentioned

[icy veldt]

The Gods are all good, though, and the dragons completely deserved it

[reef wigeon]

Shinryu

(I mean, LITERALLY, Shinryu means Dragon God)

[fair pelican]

Doesn’t Yharim get longevity due to being connected to the dragon of rebirth ?

[random mulch]

he does get to live longer thanks to being attuned to yharon, but he's still 130 and is gonna drop dead in the next decade

[bold aurora]

idk lore. but do you play as a good guy or bad guy

like i assume Devourerer of Gods is bad and we kill him

but like yharon and stuff are they evil or good

[zenith geode]

yharon was the one who convinced yharim to genocide all the gods

[raven brook]

Okay. Okay. You 🧑‍🦱 🫵

The Terrarian is not a character with set personality traits or motivation, they are a blank slate that you can come up with any backstory or personality or character traits for, much like how you can come up with any design or name and wear whatever equipment you wnat - The game is a sandbox, after all

As for the morality of bosses - None of the bosses you can kill ingame are explicitly God Guys. They often fall under either

1. Bad Evil No Good Individual (Such as Evil2, Providence, Old Duke, Devourer, Yharon, etc.)
2. Hostile creatures that are not necessarily evil but are still attacking you regardless and thus at worst would be an act of self defense (Desert Scourge, Dragonfolly, Plantera, etc.)

Some bosses you could argue are just animals that you disturbed but otherwise would be docile, such as Queen Bee and Aquatic Scourge, making those probably some of the most morally questionable ones, burt you can still find ways to justify it much more easily tahn you would if any of the bosses were like benevolent sapient individuals you went out of your way to kill

[bold aurora]

but like are the gods good?

[raven brook]

Yes and No

[dusk laurel]

[zenith geode]

some gods are good

some gods are evil

[raven brook]

Gods are a entire group of individuals that are each kind of doing their own thing

[zenith geode]

some gods are morally graey like the berserk manga

[raven brook]

You can't define them universally as good or bad much like you can't define the entirety of humanity as good or bad

[worldly spindle]

So Yharim was being salty when he said all gods are sinners

[bold aurora]

well yeah ik alot of the animals are just like monsters

but yharon and the exomechs and DOG like talk to you right? so i was wondering if they are objectively good or bad

[raven brook]

DoG is evil, Yharon is evil

[icy veldt]

Well I can define the entirety of humanity as good or bad

[raven brook]

Exomechs... well, they're machines

[bold aurora]

the guy who made them though

[zenith geode]

providence is an evil god, she wants to burn the whole world to ash
agnus is a good god, he gave his flesh to heal his followers
slime god is a morally graey god, he just kinda does whatever

[raven brook]

Draedon's complicated

detable

[bold aurora]

well i guess we dont kill him we just break his shit

[raven brook]

He has done some pretty evil stuff but whether he is evil or not is debatable and goes more into philosophy and personal morals than anything

[bold aurora]

ok so the answer to my question is ehhh but leaning towards good since we kill some objectively evil people

[raven brook]

Yharim as a villain is defined by his immense tunnel vision and the fact he fully deludes himself into believing a ideology while refusing to see any other possibilities

[icy veldt]

Draedon is also potentially-useful from a lore standpoint

[raven brook]

He is not only built like a brick wall but he is also as dense as a brick wall

[bold aurora]

whos yharim i forgor

[raven brook]

Main villain of the mod

Not in the game yet

Will be eventually, final boss

Guy who genocided like a ton of people because he had a self-righteous desire to kill every god

He's the one that talks to you in the whisper items dropped by bosses

[worldly spindle]

It’s interesting when you think about it tho

From what I’ve gathered, he hates gods because they had to harm dragons to become a god

[raven brook]

That's what he wants you to think - Or, well, what he believes in, to be more specific

Gods didn't necessarily have to kill dragons to ascend, as we know that it's possible some dragons willingly let themselves have their souls absorbed

And additionally

Not all dragons were good guys

Yharim sees stuff in black and white

[worldly spindle]

I see

[raven brook]

Dragons Good, Gods Bad, refuse to think about any deeper nuance than that

[zenith geode]

dragon of fire was evil, there was a good reason why they were getting hunted

[raven brook]

There absolutely were some horrible gods

i mean

look at providence or dogma

providence wnats to Kill Everyone, Literally

and Dogma is the guy who manipulated and possibly enslaved Yharim, leading a fascist god cult

[young socket]

it turns out being sapient comes with the caveat that you could be either good or evil and that your species doesnt define your morality

[zenith geode]

war just loved killing shit iirc

[raven brook]

But there were also some gods who were some of the kindest individuals one could meet

Like my goat Agnus

Genuinely probably one of the most objectively benevolent people in the entire mythos of the mod

To the point that he literally let yharim kill him as long as he promised that he wouldn't harm his followers

And then later, when he's brought back as Ravager, a horrible necromantic abomination, Yharim taints his legacy by using Ravager as "proof" of how gods are evil and bad, ignoring how incredibly altruistic agnus was in life

Even though him being turned into Ravager was indirectly Yharim's fault

rahhh i love agnus i love how he looks monstruous but is actually one of the nicest damn people in this story i love how despite having absorbed the auric soul of death he subverts expectations by actually being a good guy i love how tragic his story is

[worldly spindle]

Earlier you mentioned that some dragons were just evil and had to be slain

That’s something I didn’t even consider, but I can’t help but feel like claiming an auric soul in such a case would be… corrupting

[raven brook]

we know of atleast 1 (possibly 2)
Zaelithar, the dragon of flame, is directly implied ingame to be a bastard and that has just been further confirming by devs here, ofc will beexplained further in the future as the mod adds more lore content
and Gloomborf, the dragon of gluttony, who we really dont have much info on beyond being who slime god absorbed to turn into... slime god, but he is likely also a evil guy from what stip said

[raven brook]

I mean ,ironically

Dragon of Flame got his soul absorbed by Providence who is literally the like unarguably evil-est god so :p

Literally that one megamind gif

https://tenor.com/view/under-new-management-more-like-under-new-management-megamind-megamind-meme-jokez-da-joke-gif-19867663

[worldly spindle]

What a slippery slope…

[zenith geode]

i like to think gloomborf was like dedede and just kept stealing food from everyone

[raven brook]

Like of course

You coudln't have a GOOD GUY kill the dragon of flame nooo