lore-discussion

[limpid saddle]

real world population

[split mortar]

I imagine terraria is the size of earth

[pulsar ocean]

i guess you could say that was some kind of
reign of yharim

[pliant ruin]

You

[split mortar]

Hdudbdjd

Fucking immediately

[wheat ibex]

do the characters have any sort of definable abilities

[split mortar]

Didnt even get time to ping her

[limpid saddle]

cheese jumpscare

[wheat ibex]

by this i mean more than just 'brimstone magic'

[split mortar]

May i ask for clarification

Ah

[wheat ibex]

say telekenesis

or terraforming

[limpid saddle]

that kind of specific?

[split mortar]

Yharon has telepathy to yharim

[limpid saddle]

well silva does that

[wheat ibex]

not anymore

[split mortar]

And yharim can telepathically speak to anyone… somehow… despite not being a mage

[limpid saddle]

no she still does

[pliant ruin]

No she's still doing it

[wheat ibex]

did that

[pliant ruin]

What

[limpid saddle]

she isnt dead shes an elemental

[split mortar]

Lore items

[limpid saddle]

she just grows back

[pliant ruin]

The stone

melon the current implementation of lore items is dying u know this

[split mortar]

Not in game not canon and afaik not guaranteed so best to not use that specifically

[limpid saddle]

How do you think the Brimstone Elemental came back after getting her ass obliterated by a 14 year old?

[pliant ruin]

Fair point but something's happening to them either way

[wheat ibex]

imagine yharim's face finding out he didnt kill her after dumping her body into the sea

[pliant ruin]

I don't think yharim . having telepathy .is a intended lore feature

its like

a lore bug

yk

[limpid saddle]

You can't kill the physical embodiment of a concept

[split mortar]

Oh he knows she is immortal

Thats why he put her down there

[pliant ruin]

it's exactly why

yeah

[limpid saddle]

It didnt kill her but it sure as hell stopped her doing anything for a LONG time

[wheat ibex]

i thought that was like all the gods

[split mortar]

Nah

[pliant ruin]

Yeah he sure awnts to

[limpid saddle]

no shes an elemental & a god

[split mortar]

Gods are people who ate a auric dragons soul

[pliant ruin]

But you literally can't kill silva unless you kill every living being ever

Alsoi

[split mortar]

Elementals are manifestations of the world

[pliant ruin]

i misunderstood

my bad gang

Anyways yeah gods r people that ascended

none of them are like

[split mortar]

Vaporising reze from the timeline for this

[pliant ruin]

creator entities that were born with the universe or smth

[wheat ibex]

wait so gods dont have domains then or smth?

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/reze-chainsaw-man-csm-stare-anime-rain-gif-17751007222649062258

[split mortar]

They do

[pliant ruin]

they do

[wheat ibex]

im confiused

[pliant ruin]

Domains r just powers over a specific thing

nothing more to it

[split mortar]

Thats the main reason people ascend

[pliant ruin]

You ascend, you become a god, you get funky domain powers

[split mortar]

You can have dominion on something without being a manifestation of something

[pliant ruin]

Sometimes your body changes in the proccess which leads to things like Slime God or Providence

[wheat ibex]

what is primordial light? i know xeroc got dominion over it or smth

[pliant ruin]

Sun

The Sun

[wheat ibex]

wait

[split mortar]

Sunlight

[wheat ibex]

so if you have powers over the sun?

[pliant ruin]

Primordial Light is literally just the light of the sun

[wheat ibex]

ok so the light

[pliant ruin]

And it's like really powerful in calamity

[limpid saddle]

There is the domain of an Auric Soul which grants them powers of that domain, not everything represented by it, someone eats an Auric Soul, becomes a God Soul, domain changes, they still have the powers of that domain

[wheat ibex]

not the actual sun

[limpid saddle]

The sun IS light

[strong notch]

what if i became a god of cheese. do i only get powers over cheese or also over milk? or is there a certain stage while doing cheese that grants me power over it

[limpid saddle]

he can just get rid of the sun if he wanted to

[pliant ruin]

i'm the goddess of cheese already

you cant be that

[split mortar]

PL control also entails sun control for some reason
Calamity cosmology is fucked

[pliant ruin]

sorry

[wheat ibex]

Then why is he only planetary??????

[split mortar]

Suns smaller then the planet

[limpid saddle]

he's contineantal & he cant just ram it into someone

[strong notch]

do you have power over milk then?

[pliant ruin]

i can go as far as cream cheese

[wheat ibex]

is he has the domain over the sun does he contain all the energy of the sun

or does he just

look at it

[pliant ruin]

he has sun powers

he can throw light beams of death at people

[wheat ibex]

is the sun a living thing in calamitt

[split mortar]

The world could have been alive ages ago and died
The moon is just actually evil
Sun orbits the planet

[pliant ruin]

he can also use light to make perfect replicas of living beings as seen in the boss rush

[pliant ruin]

Not that we know of

It's just a giant ball of magic light

[split mortar]

Not that we know of

[dusk laurel]

melon gun

you said the exact same thing gulp

[split mortar]

What

Yes thay was intentional

[limpid saddle]

i mean xeroc lives in the sun & all he does is train & aurafarm

[dusk laurel]

blows you up

[strong notch]

can you technically create a sun with infinite amount of mages pouring their mana then?

[wheat ibex]

wait so what is providence's domain?

[limpid saddle]

no

[dusk laurel]

ash

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/in-stars-and-time-isat-siffrin-explosion-frits-gif-4893061213494253101

[pliant ruin]

Not how it works

[limpid saddle]

Because the sun is primordial light

No mage can wield primordial light

[pulsar ocean]

are all elementals women

[pliant ruin]

Ash, which was derived from the Auric Soul of Flame

so to dumb it down she's just the goddess of fire basically

[wheat ibex]

ok

[split mortar]

No

[limpid saddle]

You cant just make more primordial light

[strong notch]

what if those hypothetical mages got the power of Xeroc and were able to wield primordial light

[limpid saddle]

its primordial

[pliant ruin]

Still not how it works i dont think

[limpid saddle]

literally could not happen

[pliant ruin]

there's the ominous obelisk

[pulsar ocean]

why are ours

[limpid saddle]

& they still cannot make more of it

[pliant ruin]

and the ice/granite elementals

[wheat ibex]

i would make a joke about this but idk if it'd slide

[split mortar]

Fabsol

[pliant ruin]

and whatever new cloudy is shes like a eldritch horror

well no

shes not a e ldritch horror

[limpid saddle]

what??

[pliant ruin]

shes just a biblically accurate angel

[split mortar]

Biblical angel

[pliant ruin]

yeah thats a better description

[wheat ibex]

biblical horror

[split mortar]

Anahita cthulhu avatar when

[pliant ruin]

brimmy, anahita and silva are still women though

the rest are'nt

the rest are othet things

[split mortar]

Ice and granite

[limpid saddle]

Generally a God's Domain can be considered the 'aftermath' of the previous Dragon's domain

(Also is it emptiness > night or night > emptiness on shakidou i forgot)

[wheat ibex]

so was zeratos the strongest being in calamity we know so far?

[pliant ruin]

Nah

Xeroc

[limpid saddle]

no thats Xeroc

[pliant ruin]

Zeratros ain't even in the top 3

[limpid saddle]

& then Moon Lord

[split mortar]

Zeratros sorta ties with yharim iirc

[pliant ruin]

Probably not even top 5

[limpid saddle]

Pre getting his legs ripped off & lobotomized

[wheat ibex]

ok so was xeroc one of the only gods to amplify the dragons domain

[limpid saddle]

No he just got the dragons domain

[pliant ruin]

Power isn't derived purely from a domain

[pulsar ocean]

how much noxuses to beat a xeroc

[limpid saddle]

It was a perfect ascension

[wheat ibex]

does the moonlord have a different name in calamity?

[limpid saddle]

He's been actively training for 800 years

[pliant ruin]

yes and no

He's still called the moon lord

but in-lore the people of the sky also gave him the name Fovos

[split mortar]

Moonlord AND fovos are both correct ways to refer to the being in lore

[pliant ruin]

so he jsut has multiple names

[wheat ibex]

i gues you could say he did.... STAR JUMPS

[pliant ruin]

neither of which are really it's "real" name its just the way different people named it

[wheat ibex]

ba dum tsh

[strong notch]

What domain would a dragon take if none were available (let's assume they are all taken by other dragons)

[limpid saddle]

they eouldnt

because there wouldnt be any world soul shards left

[pliant ruin]

Fovos is how the people of the sky reffered to him, and it's derived from the greek word for Dread (As Chrysadia, the sky civilization, has a notable greek inspiration in its culture and such)

[wheat ibex]

are there other worlds in calamity

[limpid saddle]

which is what happenef

& why regular dragons exist

[pliant ruin]

Moon Lord is how i believe just more modern people refer to him after he got sealed in the Moon

[split mortar]

Mars had the martians so yeah

[pliant ruin]

wdym by worlds

planets?

[wheat ibex]

yuh

[pliant ruin]

if so yeah

[wheat ibex]

i know theres the distortion

[split mortar]

Their world got fucked somehow and now seek for a new world

[pliant ruin]

There's mars which is the only other planet with any sort of lore relevance

[split mortar]

Different dimension(?) not planet

[strong notch]

planets exist which is confirmed by codebreaker conversation

[wheat ibex]

ik i was js saying

[pliant ruin]

Other than that other planets exist and that's about it

[wheat ibex]

so did draedon escape to another planet after his confrontation with yharim

[pliant ruin]

no

he's still on earth

hasn't ever gotten out of it

he has no reason to escape the planet because yharim is not a threat to him in the slightest

and he still has stuff to do here

[wheat ibex]

is astrageldon been completely wiped from the lore

[pliant ruin]

yes

[wheat ibex]

NOOOOOOOO

[split mortar]

Happened before the new lore

[pliant ruin]

its been removed like 5 years ago

[split mortar]

Yeah

Been gone for ages

[wheat ibex]

[split mortar]

What went first
Goozma or astrageldon

[limpid saddle]

i think goozma

[wheat ibex]

wait goozma was canon?

[split mortar]

Dam

[pliant ruin]

Was

[split mortar]

Used to be
Got turned into noxus and then the lore rewrite happened

[wheat ibex]

i c

[split mortar]

So goozma is ancient lore

Prehistoric

[wheat ibex]

this is really important question....

[pliant ruin]

goozma this

astralgeldon that

[wheat ibex]

is yharim bald?

[split mortar]

We dunno

[pliant ruin]

people be sleeping on my goat Mirage Mallah

my goaat Antenizer

[split mortar]

If yharims bald then its a choice

[pliant ruin]

Antenizer is the funniest one actually nobody knows where it came from

[strong notch]

what's even that?

[pliant ruin]

Not even any developers, past or new

A scrapped boss

thats all we know

its sprite was a edited EoC

[split mortar]

Oh right that

[wheat ibex]

i miss that one concept art of dog

[pliant ruin]

We know literally nothing else about it

[split mortar]

😭 super evil fucking cryptid boss

[split mortar]

Retinazer similar name

[pliant ruin]

my goat

[dusk laurel]

where is my goat the sun god or whatever its name was

[wheat ibex]

infernum giant clam soloes devourer of gods trust

[dusk laurel]

infernum giant clam was sent to hell sorry

[split mortar]

Infernum giant clam when i eat it

[dusk laurel]

(what does it even do)

[wheat ibex]

if infernum giant clam goes to hell its by choice

[dusk laurel]

no no it doesnt get a choice

[wheat ibex]

is draedon actually like 13ft in the new lore btw

[dusk laurel]

cursed to pre update calamity hell

[dusk laurel]

i think so yeah

[strong notch]

ye

[wheat ibex]

lmao

[split mortar]

P sure 14ft
Why wouldnt the ingame height be canon

[strong notch]

we are so tiny in comparison to him

[split mortar]

Or well height of that one drone we see

[pliant ruin]

Having a big drone b ody probably helps in making the giant fucking mechs

[wheat ibex]

was draedon always designed how he is now

[strong notch]

he probably switched design multiple times

especially when you look at his hologram and recon body look

[split mortar]

Draedon has almost certainly changed how he makes his drones and robots since
Learning for 660ish years

[strong notch]

they look different

[wheat ibex]

i worded that horribly wrong

[pliant ruin]

I imagine he's had a few iterations of his drone's design

[wheat ibex]

i meant

in old lore was draedon designed differently by the devs

hopefully that makes sense

[eager bluff]

no

he wasnt

you can go look at the concept art for him

[split mortar]

They have not changed draedons design

[eager bluff]

draedons design was finalized before the rewrite happened

[split mortar]

Same pixelart used since the exos release

[wheat ibex]

was it just his color pallete

[pliant ruin]

his design received some minor changes from the first draft we know of but yeah hes been the same ever since his implementation

[split mortar]

Im p sure

[pliant ruin]

there's no reason to change his design

can't fix what's not broken

[split mortar]

Big fucking robot - ✅

[pliant ruin]

he's already ✨ perfect

[strong notch]

agreed

[eager bluff]

there is a wheel. the door is open. all you have to do is not reinvent it.

[wheat ibex]

ive seen 2 different color palletes people illustrate dreadon in, beige and dark, and then theres yellow and grey

[strong notch]

big science obsessed robot with snarky personality

my favourite kind

[wheat ibex]

what IS draedon's personality

[dusk laurel]

changelogs ptsd

[eager bluff]

so what if you have a standard template guy and remove basically all parts of the personality that arent directly related to learning or making shit

[strong notch]

and make him annoyed with stupid sounding names

[wheat ibex]

indifferent?

[eager bluff]

yes

[strong notch]

pretty much yeah

[split mortar]

Any and all Science at all cost

[eager bluff]

for the most part he just does not care

[wheat ibex]

is that what he says about the miracle matter name?

[eager bluff]

skeletron prime

[wheat ibex]

oh

[split mortar]

Yeah and the normal mechs

[eager bluff]

miracle matter he accepts because "fucking sure why not you made it its not a miracle but its your thing you get to name it"

[wheat ibex]

"The twins? Brother i LITERALLY NAMED THEM, theyre called 'Xy-928738373-BMQ-tesco clubcard' but go off jackass"

[pliant ruin]

the destroyer

[limpid saddle]

they do destroy

you cant say its inaccurate

[pliant ruin]

truly

[split mortar]

The destroyer

[strong notch]

destroy population of my town

[wheat ibex]

destroyer of my goddamn npcs

[pliant ruin]

thanatos ❌
the obliterator ✅

ares ❌
skeletron omega ✅

[split mortar]

Twins 2

[wheat ibex]

cornea and epilepsy

[pliant ruin]

apollo, artemis ❌
sclerozoid 1000 and pupilazer 2.0 ✅

[strong notch]

he would just

[mighty zenith]

draedon ❌
cosmic mechanic ✅

[wheat ibex]

draedon❌ king von✅

[pliant ruin]

[mighty zenith]

D
s...

[eager bluff]

excavator ❌
armored digger ✅

[split mortar]

Mandetory mention of the lore doc

[split mortar]

:aint that just the lowest tier…:

[wheat ibex]

devourer of gods is a goddamn gluttonous beast, he ate my wife and leaked my food pics on twitter -yharim

[eager bluff]

excavator mk1 excavator mk2 excavator mk3

armored digger is not staying as a name

[split mortar]

Does draedon do drugs

[pliant ruin]

its not even called excavatora nymore

its called burrower now

atleast the pre hm version

[wheat ibex]

not drugs he injects scripts into himself

[pliant ruin]

which might be the only one anyways

[dusk laurel]

deconstructer was the old name for all 3

now its just the name for the third tier

which might not even be added

[eager bluff]

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[wheat ibex]

computer, fetch me my list of slurs

[strong notch]

OHH MYYYY PCCCCCC

[wheat ibex]

windows error sfx

[noble falcon]

Got my exo chair, got my ZIP bombs, gonna have me a kickass evening

[cloud ibex]

what planet am i on

[wheat ibex]

can draedon himself infiltrate other tech systems as he is an ai and not a physical being

[noble falcon]

Draedon regularly uploads himself to twitter to fact check everything Yharim posts

[young socket]

snapcube sonic dub planet

[wheat ibex]

Draedon: sigh "No, yharim did not 'absolutely demolish' providence in a fight, he is just high on miracle fruit again"

[split mortar]

Yes but since most others are in the 1800s theres not many people who arent connected to draedons tech for the guy to infiltrate i imagine

[wheat ibex]

i mean like

does draedon have the means to infiltrate other sytems of not his own

like le hacker'

[noble falcon]

Yharim: “hey how do you block community notes they’re super annoying”
Draedon as a community note: “Maybe try posting facts for once.”

[split mortar]

Yeah why wouldnt he

[wheat ibex]

terrarian: "Yo draedon can you help me get to yharim?"

draedon:

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message
just realised i didnt link the document oops

[noble falcon]

Terrarian: “They’ll have information there!”
Draedon: “Well lead with that next time, let’s go broski!”

[split mortar]

-# draedon does not know how to get to the aerie and hasnt figured out despite trying

[wheat ibex]

what even is the aerie, is it a hill, a castle or some other sky island

[noble falcon]

Just bring the codebreaker to the aerie and put it back together there

[split mortar]

Correct its a sky island
Its also not locatable via going there draedon looked over the entire planet
Nothin

[pliant ruin]

The aerie is a Place somewhere and it's not accessible through usual means

it is Hidden ™ somehow

[noble falcon]

Bombable wall like in TBoI

[split mortar]

Someone theorised its in the past

[wheat ibex]

this means yharim has gigaversal outer speed and can speeblitz wally west confirmed

[dusk laurel]

horrible

[pliant ruin]

you should get jumpscared by freddy fazbear

[split mortar]

True

[noble falcon]

Yhary West goes to the history past

[wheat ibex]

jokes on you i AM freddy fazbear

[dusk laurel]

wither foxy jumpscare mod 1/30000 chance

[split mortar]

You will not survive the winter

[mighty zenith]

you look like freddy fazbear

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-freddy-fazbear-fnaf-you-look-like-freddy-fazbear-freddy-gif-14084568151495957089

[noble falcon]

Draedon and his Exo Animatronics
Freddy Fazbeares

[dusk laurel]

fazberries

[wheat ibex]

cinco noches en draedon's

remnant matter

springdon

terrarian smitchdt

[noble falcon]

Auric Tesla Balloon Boy
Equipped with a cruise ship-grade air horn

[eager bluff]

its not TWITTER its called ARSENAL

[woeful karma]

true!!

[leaden bridge]

The aerie is actually the inside of the world soul

You ever think about what the existence of the ascension ritual implies

[limpid saddle]

what?

[leaden bridge]

Wait actually

We were joking with that but what if it's like on the sun

That's why draedon didn't find it

It's magical sun place

[split mortar]

Maybe?

[leaden bridge]

maybe

Or Maybe it's like on the planets Core or some shit or maybe it's not a physical place in terr but you know

[leaden bridge]

On the other topic,

[long scaffold]

If I had to guess it’d be the latter

Just seems the most right

Though the ability to teleport there, having actual habitable conditions, and vibes are really my only pieces of “evidence”

[leaden bridge]

if it's physically in terr it doesn't really matter where exactly it is , nothing saying it can't be super magical so dragon and highly trained dragon people can be there

It'd be quite awkward if it was like another dimension so we'll pretend that is not the case until proven otherwise

[long scaffold]

We’ll have a better idea next century when Yharim is fightable

[hushed jasper]

Next century? Tad bit early don’t ya think?

[craggy sparrow]

I wonder if yharim played the souls games and elden ring and uses that as propaganda tools to tell why gods are bad

[robust osprey]

nah, he played god of war

[leaden bridge]

So like why the fuck did anyone need to like develop it for

[split mortar]

Maybe xeroc made it for zeratros once they realised zeratros was forever dying?
Feel like theres a dev statement on this topic somewhere but its 1 am i am not looking for it

[leaden bridge]

Is it like, outright pre existing or modified soul absorption magic? If it's a specific ritual, surely, someone had to go and like, make it, make the magic, like, you know, create the ritual, how do you do that if you don't know it's even possible, who even Did It

If you put your thinking cap on the answer is CLEAR, the dragons developed it to absorb the world soul's magic and zeratros just told it to xeroc. This is TRUE and CANON

[split mortar]

Old as shit statement i gonna look for more recent one

Fucking shit oops ping

[split mortar]

Tbh does make sense that the god ascension ritual is derivative of whatever the dragons did

What confuses me is since the terminus is likely aerie rock
How was it made when aerie rock is likely timeless
If its natural how tf is it perfectly suited for god ascension ritual

[leaden bridge]

Someone just carved a piece of rock out and then carved the primordial light sigil into it

The really weird part about it is the fact it allows for a perfect ascension

[final bison]

How's calamity dev team doing lately

[noble falcon]

There should be an umamusume of the cnidrion
It’s a seahorse thing, that’s close enough

[dusk laurel]

much better than before

[final bison]

Why is that

[dusk laurel]

well they splitting off all of the unrelated stuff in sso to be released before so its less bloated and more focused

plus thatll mean they finally have pushed out a major update

in 2 years

[final bison]

Huh

Thx for informing me but I have this one worry

If they are gonna change how vanilla bosses work outside of combat

How will infernum catch up now that its cancelled?

[analog tide]

It won't, it will update to base Terraria 1.5 and any minor updates. But this is the last version of cal they will port to

[dusk laurel]

infernum will not update to the new calamity versions, i think they might be to 2.1 since reworked ds isnt in it but idk

[final bison]

Damn

[dusk laurel]

1.4.5*

[final bison]

So we bassically have limited time before infernum inevitably falls back to either a buggy mess or qualitycrept

[dusk laurel]

although infernum not updating to the new calamity versions is because of changes to calamity bosses themselves

not vanilla bosses as infernum is a separate difficulty and can override it since cal wont be like completely replacing any vanilla bosses

but changes to cal bosses like ds where the sprite is redone and now it has legs will require infernum to make a new infernum version of the fight

which will not happen

[final bison]

Yeah but there's a chance they might add changes to cal bosses like old duke

Well damn

[final bison]

Who's ds?

[dusk laurel]

infernum already has reworked old duke, if you mean the calamity team they will be making big changes to most bosses at the minimum

[dusk laurel]

desert scourge

[final bison]

Is there a reason why they cancelled it?

[languid badge]

spriter left the team

[dusk laurel]

infernum? its because itd be too much work to make new boss reworks, and infernum already finished development years ago and has been in a state of maintenance since

[final bison]

Damn

Who's the new director?

Of base cal I mean

[dusk laurel]

ozzatron is the new owner

[final bison]

I see

I wonder how dm dokuro is doing

He's still making music but I dont think he's feeling well

I wish all of them the best

This is a new era but I can't help but look back at the old

[noble falcon]

I’m hopeful for calamity’s future
Even if most of it seems very far away, it’s never looked better

[long scaffold]

Especially since someone left

[noble falcon]

and now weve got new whips and boss reworks to look forward to

prehardmode dragonfolly is gonna be a weird adjustment

[plucky juniper]

cant wait tho ngl

it'll almost certainly be so much better than current dragonfolly

[craggy sparrow]

Do you guys think cal will die?

in the fight with yharim or leading up to it?

as sort of an act of redemption

[pliant ruin]

she wont

like objectively speaking she just wont

you need the npc brah

[light linden]

I still think that's a bit of a shortcoming storywise

[languid badge]

new calclone npc thats exactly the same except costs 3x more

[light linden]

since like

the terrarian is supposed to be a blank slate

yet we can't kill scal

[pliant ruin]

You will be able to deny her a Home futurely

If you dont want to give her a house yotu wont need to and she'll still exist as a npc so you can still access her enchanting stuff

[languid badge]

link is blank slate why cant we just kill zelda

[light linden]

because zelda is a key story character

scal is not

we'd still be able to kill yharim without scal I'd imagine

I get from a gameplay perspective it'd suck for a new player to lose the enchants but

if the terrarian is a blank slate but we can't kill a character who someone could reasonably have a reason to want to kill them

then what's the point of a blank slate

[languid badge]

ultimately the character being a blank slate that you can apply anything to is less of an actual truth of the story and more of "it can be your super awesome oc if you want but you're still playing calamity"

[feral skiff]

i thought zelda was the protagonist, no?

isn’t that why it’s called the legend of zelda

[languid badge]

why cant metroid crawl

[feral skiff]

I DONT KNOW

[floral echo]

If anyone can help me get to the bottom of the star conundrum, I'd appreciate it.

I'm quite curious about this part of the lore.

[languid badge]

wdym the star conundrum

[floral echo]

What exactly stars are supposed to be in the lore, and how that affects things.

I understand the basics, they're dead and they're made of mana.

Or rather they can die.

[hybrid barn]

That's mostly it

[floral echo]

So I have some questions regarding that.

If these proverbial conglomerates of pire mana are supposed to be stars, then how are they able to provide life to a planet like Terraria?

[hybrid barn]

They mostly don't, the sun itself is different from (as far as we know of) about every star in the universe, being a ball of "primordial light"

[floral echo]

Another question I have is how the elements of the periodic table fit in, since from our current understanding they're the reformed remains of stars that have gone super/hypernova. When these stars die, do they produce these elements?

[languid badge]

remember chat calamity is only as realistic as the writers were feeling that day

[light linden]

it does seem to have laws of thermodynamics though

[languid badge]

no it breaks those on several occasions

[hybrid barn]

Though if I'm wrong, it could be because they're made of mana, since that's one of the fundamental building blocks of life in Calamity

Common animals have mana, whether or not they can use it

[floral echo]

I also must bring up the element of radiation. In reality, stars are so intensely radioactive that being nearby even the smallest of them will kill you in practically seconds.

If this is the case, would the Astral Meteor not be irradiating the entire area it landed in, given the fact that it's supposedly the remains of a star?

Barring this, how is the entire planet not being entirely atomized by the sheer heat this "star" would supposedly be outputting?

[hybrid barn]

Honestly, I think we'd have to ask if cosmic radiation even exists in Calamity before getting to that, since we don't...exactly know a lot about its cosmology-

[floral echo]

Assuming they follow the typical laws of thermodynamics as Thunder implied, the core of this dead star should be burning at hundreds of millions of degrees. Even for the Astral Meteor's size, this sheer heat density should be obliterating anything in a radius somewhere on the order of 5 million miles.

Although that distance would heavily depend on the size of the star.

[eager bluff]

simple

its

made of mana

fallen stars? yeah those are actual stars in calamity

[vital geyser]

the star being dead could imply its no longer burning

[eager bluff]

the astral infection is essentially what if we took an unholy amount of those and shoved them together and they started rotting

[floral echo]

Okay, so that leads me to ask. What is mana in this context. If these are the remains of stars, would that make mana some kind of hydrogen bond given its explosively destructive capabilities? A lot of magic weapons in Calamity do violently explode, so it could make sense.

[eager bluff]

mana is

its mana

stereotypical magic goop

[languid badge]

mana is whatever the writers say mana is

[eager bluff]

main difference is that its stored in your bones

[hybrid barn]

Actually come to think of it, this is funny to think about, because it suggests either:

Stars are actually a bit larger and shrink as they fall toward the planet, or they massively grow when they destabilize

[languid badge]

I thought the explanation was that they were just that small and our sun just wasnt a star

[hybrid barn]

That's true, but I'm moreso referring to the mass of astral ore that's presumably the destabilized star itself

[floral echo]

Stars do already sort of do this in reality, our sun will. It happens when a star doesn't have enough raw tunnage to supernova, instead swelling into what's known as a Red Supergiant. This could be a legitimate explanation.

[eager bluff]

usually yes but in the context of the astral that doesnt work

[languid badge]

oh I see

[eager bluff]

because the astral isnt part of our sun

[hybrid barn]

Actually- yeah, come to think of it, that makes sense

[floral echo]

So Primordial Light could be assumed to be closer to the actual superheated plasma and hydrogen / helium that real stars are comprised of.

So then, wouldn't anyone who dares to use it risk instantly being annihilated?

As well as taking out...well, anything and everything around them at an untold distance?

[eager bluff]

no the sun is also magic its just not a star

[hybrid barn]

I imagine the user would have an immunity to its power like how Providence isn't burned by her own fire

[eager bluff]

we dont know why we dont know how but we're pretty sure primordial light is magical in some capacity

[floral echo]

Ignoring the fact that in reality, fire actually can technically burn another fire, it just doesn't happen in the way one would assume. It's more like melding plasma together and causing both sources to burn hotter, rather than one destroying the other.

Like mixing rocket oxydizers together.

[feral skiff]

is there the original terrarian is you stock image

without the text on it

[eager bluff]

its superfancy photons, primordial light is specifically light from the sun

[hybrid barn]

The thing is that Providence isn't fully made of fire, just partially, so I think what I said still applies

[feral skiff]

please… help me find it… it’s vital….

[hybrid barn]

Let me check MelonGun's messages real quick

[feral skiff]

good

[hybrid barn]

Oh! I didn't even consider that there could be a version without the text, for some reason

[livid sandal]

I've never really thought about it before but the stars being made of mana implies that the astral infection is made out of "spoiled" mana, and since it is kind of implied that the astral infection has a kind of sentience that also implies that mana has some kind of will

[eager bluff]

yes it specifically is spoiled mana

the astral is what happens when a star rots

[livid sandal]

Maybe bye "spoiling" the mana is really going insane

[floral echo]

I guess someone less magically persuaded like myself could draw the comparison of hydrogen being burned into helium and etcetera for this.

[vital geyser]

maybe thats why the higher power mages dont fucking explode into astral infection for casting magic

[floral echo]

Also, I've heard this before so I wanted to ask.

I heard somewhere recently, can't remember where, that Exo Steel grows or regenerates in some way? Something about Thanatos' plating being more like an organic chryssilis than a suit of armor?

[livid sandal]

something about the exo crystals (which have unbelievable amounts of energy in them) breaking down during the fight and fusing with some other things to create a rudimentary form of miracle matter

[eager bluff]

yes

exo crystals make unstable miracle matter which can grow and regenerate but more importantly the exo mechs armor is made with a cosmilite alloy and since cosmilite is fucky like that it can probably grow and regenerate to an extent as well

[livid sandal]

kind of like how the lime-filled concrete that the romans used filled in its own gaps as it was damaged

[floral echo]

I was going to draw a theory that Draedon used Uelibloom in the crafting of the steel, but nevermind.

I guess that wouldn't really make sense.

[hybrid barn]

Was it confirmed that cosmilite was used for the armor? I mean, it's not far-fetched in any way, I'm just unsure since the Codebreaker dialogue that talks about it just describes it as a nanocomposite of "many elements"

[eager bluff]

yes

it directly is confirmed

in draetalk when you ask him about cosmilite

[livid sandal]

creating the dog's armour is probably what inspired the creation of thanatos

[vital geyser]

ya

[eager bluff]

oh sorry in the dog draetalk

Despite my issues with the Serpent, his assistance on the battlefield and with resource acquisition was welcome. One of the few unquestionable truths about him was the grandeur of his title. I still make use of smelted Cosmilite to this day in numerous applications, and I utilize the raw material as a metallurgical component of various alloys such as the Exo Mechanical Trio's plating.

[hybrid barn]

Oh yeahhh, I just got to that too

[pliant ruin]

Uelibloom is effectively noncanon

because its scheduled for removal

[hybrid barn]

That's neat! I missed so many small details when reading through that for the first time

[floral echo]

Oh, wow I totally forgot about that.

[livid sandal]

Chlorothite 2: electric boogaloo

[real glen]

Terrarian after Distortion update: look draedon, how did you made that dog armor, the cosmilite is liquid and it isn't anything like molten metal
Draedon: science magic

[vital geyser]

its chlorophyte 😔

[pliant ruin]

i love plant themed ores! i love plant themed ores!i love plant themed

free me

[eager bluff]

fuck you

[vital geyser]

this is because biometal is too cool

[eager bluff]

jungle themed ore that generates everywhere except for the jungle

[pliant ruin]

perennial

🔥 🔥

[vital geyser]

😭

[livid sandal]

you made my day worse

[pliant ruin]

theres 3 different plant nature themed ores and if we go by general like gear sets theres also like

[woeful karma]

lore

[pliant ruin]

terra (arguably), silva

we should get a cool ranger post ml ranger set made of armored shells because we don't have enough electricity themed stuff

[woeful karma]

TRUE

[vital geyser]

i guess there's prismatic but like

thats magic

from the armored shell stuff

[pliant ruin]

storm weaver

prismatic is donor isnt it

[languid badge]

yes

[vital geyser]

yes

its one of my favorite armors

[visual kiln]

maybe

[fleet wedge]

No lore

[robust osprey]

lore NEVER

[hybrid barn]

Aww, I was gonna flower react that too

[fleet wedge]

[real silo]

Too slow

On your marks

[fleet wedge]

I wanted to ask, who made your icon?

[visual kiln]

@plucky lichen

[stoic gulch]

Lainer

[real silo]

Mainey

[frosty charm]

Just paid for two more chuds to stuff in bins. Is this canon?

[mighty zenith]

what

[frosty charm]

Purple chud and robot chud.

[mighty zenith]

oh the plushies

[agile matrix]

gaah i gotta get em.

i gotta buy em.

[glacial rampart]

first good emote

[long bloom]

YOOOOOO

[agile matrix]

i bought him

the plush ie.

[wheat walrus]

[bitter cave]

🪷

[modest elk]

I don’t think a fire themed dragon is a great idea to have in the jungle

[limpid saddle]

yharon hasnt been the jungle dragon for 3000 years

he's the dragon of rebirth now

[long bloom]

old yharon bestiary said he was extremely careful to not burn anything

[split mortar]

Yharon isnt a jungle boss

[limpid saddle]

kinda always has been now just y'know

more distinctive

[modest elk]

dont you have to summon him in the jungle?

[split mortar]

Nope

[limpid saddle]

nope

[split mortar]

Removed that ages ago

[limpid saddle]

he can be summoned whenever

wherever

whoever

whyever

[long bloom]

was changed almost 3 years ago

[modest elk]

the jungle dragon aint even a jungle dragon anymore

[long bloom]

yes that's
that's the point of making him not the jungle dragon

[limpid saddle]

any other points of contention you would like to ask about?

[long bloom]

he's dragon of rebirth

[split mortar]

Not even the jungle dragon anymore

Hasnt been for ages

[modest elk]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

where embed

[split mortar]

Embed fail mods nuke them

[modest elk]

I have embed perms does it not apply to links?

[cloud ibex]

you don't

you have upload perms

[modest elk]

theres a difference?

[split mortar]

Yes

I can post this

https://tenor.com/view/isat-in-stars-and-time-siffrin-hello-gif-16182958204078689512

But this dont work

[modest elk]

oh its been nigh 3 years

I keep thinking of “from the ashes” as newer content

[limpid saddle]

good god an OLDHEAD

the most frightening thing there is

[modest elk]

I can barely remember anything I’ve done for the past 3 years

heck maybe even the draedon update

I cant remember when I started playing

SCal has been reprited for 4 years…?

[long bloom]

draedon update was 2021

[modest elk]

do I even want to know if I remember the major update before that?

[split mortar]

Is having fought pre resprite scal not common here…

[long bloom]

rust and dust

[modest elk]

I feel like I fought her but I can’t remember and I probably cheated if I did

ok I think I started playing after rust and dust

well my steam account is newer than the draedon update so I definitely started after that

I’m almost positive I played before “from the ashes” though

[fleet wedge]

Cool

[fleet wedge]

My brother wanted to buy one but he decided that, in his own words, "it's too much of a gamble, especially with the time"

[errant swallow]

whats the lore of jared

wait does calamity have bestiery

[broken pawn]

yea

[split mortar]

Only the calamity bestiary entries are canon atm

[dusk laurel]

some vanilla entries are canon

the ones that wont be changed next update

[split mortar]

The first eidolon wyrm and blessed by silva it hates anyone using PL because of xeroc
Also protects the terminus from xeroc even tho xeroc would mollywhop jared

[errant swallow]

did yharim mind control scal\

[errant swallow]

whats PL

[split mortar]

Primordial light

[split mortar]

Yharims not a mage so he groomed her instead

[errant swallow]

whats the lore of signus,ceaseless and storm weaver

[errant swallow]

what class even is yharim

[long bloom]

distortion fucks

[split mortar]

Melee

[long bloom]

cv is a portal to the distortion presumably created by noxus
signus is satan from the bible (makes deals with you to fuck you over)
storm weaver exists

[errant swallow]

it would be fun if there was like a super powerful and important guy in calamity for every class and the class would get gear looking like them as their final upgrade

[long bloom]

it has lore but we don't know

dog really wants to kill it for some reason

[errant swallow]

dog is also distortion right?

[long bloom]

yuh

works for noxus

[mighty zenith]

well there pretty much is for that first part

yharim for melee, i guess draedon for ranger or summoner? calamitas for mage, statis for rogue

[long bloom]

is statis rogue

[errant swallow]

who even was statis again

[long bloom]

braelor's bf

[mighty zenith]

a ninja

[young socket]

calamitas is also very summoner due to sepulchre and brothers and seekers

[errant swallow]

theres like none for ranger or summoner

[mighty zenith]

actually yeah

[long bloom]

last ninja of the onyx kinsmen

[young socket]

and maelstrom too if that counts

[errant swallow]

whos braelor

and who are the onyx kinsmen

[mighty zenith]

well i feel like calamitas is more mage focused and permafrost is more summoner focused

[long bloom]

statis's bf

champion of silva

[errant swallow]

permafrost is NOT summoner

[long bloom]

ninja clan who worship signus and slime god

[errant swallow]

its the reverse imo

[long bloom]

they got yharimed

[mighty zenith]

theyre both mixes but permafrost mostly uses constructs cause he doesnt like fighting

[broken pawn]

since scal burned what is now the underground desert, and the giant clam survived, does it mean that the giant clam is canonically stronger then scal?

[long bloom]

yes

[errant swallow]

i still dont understand the lore items

like

[young socket]

the bestiary literally talks about how perma didnt like fighting upfront and would use other stuff like cryons to do the fighting instead

[errant swallow]

how is yharim talking to us

[errant swallow]

oh

[young socket]

powerscaling logic

[long bloom]

brainblast

[broken pawn]

exactly

[mighty zenith]

there will be an explanation but rn its just kinda telepathy or something

because of the way lore items are implemented

[errant swallow]

also yharim has like no feats

and also no powers im pretty sure

[long bloom]

(you literally just hear whispering)
((it says in the tooltip))

[long bloom]

??????????

[errant swallow]

bro just fought by throwing hands

[mighty zenith]

yharim's feats is the entire crusade

[errant swallow]

shit i worded that wrong

like

we dont know how he fought ecxactly

i mean

[mighty zenith]

his influence over the world is his main trait

[errant swallow]

he had an army im pretty sure?

[errant swallow]

by that logic trump is stronger than scal

idk

i just feel like

im just imagining his bossfight

[mighty zenith]

thats not what im saying

[errant swallow]

but we literally dont know how he fights

[long bloom]

it seems you don't know very much about the lore
it may be more efficient to read the cool epic google doc rather than asking 500 questions here (not that we won't answer)

[mighty zenith]

its not just about feats

[errant swallow]

i read it

[mighty zenith]

yharim was a leader and warlord first, fighter second

[errant swallow]

im talking like
what would he do in the bossfight?

[long bloom]

the new one?

[errant swallow]

only part i didnt understand was statis

but it was like 3 am

[long bloom]

well the stuff i told you is everything we know about him

oh yea
after getting banished to the distortion, he made a deal with signus and got possessed or something?

also signus ate his limbs

he was hungry

[errant swallow]

i remember the doc was like

statis sacrificed an arm and a leg

and something much worse

smth like that

[long bloom]

yeag

the much worse part was being possessed or something

[noble falcon]

And now we get to work with him to kick signus’ ass in the future

[errant swallow]

oh really?

[long bloom]

questline baybee

[noble falcon]

Yeah, he’s gonna be an npc
Not a town npc, but you can find him and work with him

[errant swallow]

wait statis is still alive

[long bloom]

yeah?

[noble falcon]

His quest line ends with the signus fight

[long bloom]

he just got out of the distortion like a couple months ago

he made the deal with signus to escape

and abandoned braelor smh

[errant swallow]

but we already fought him

[long bloom]

no??

whar

[noble falcon]

In the current version of the mod maybe but in the future you’ll have to help him out to fight signus

[errant swallow]

oh

what other questlines are coming?

[long bloom]

one to fight the old duke

amidias for various things

one will be giant clam

[errant swallow]

old duke?

i forgor his lore

it didnt have lore right

[long bloom]

he did

but it sucked so it's being rewritten

not much is established atm

[errant swallow]

what lore could old duke POSSIBLY have

[long bloom]

slave owner

[errant swallow]

WHAT?

HE IS LITERALLY A FISH DRAGON

[long bloom]

evil fucked up dragon that enslaves other weaker dragons

[long bloom]

not fish anymore

[errant swallow]

what?

isnt he just duke fishron

but old

and sulphurous

[long bloom]

not anymore

[errant swallow]

oh

so

is he getting resprite?

draedon over yharim frfr

[long bloom]

every boss will be resprited Eventually™ except leviana, providence, exos and scal

[errant swallow]

leviana?

OHHH

[glacial rampart]

who would win tapeworm or pinworm

[errant swallow]

its like leviathan

and anahita

[long bloom]

ringworm

[errant swallow]

cosmic worm

[long bloom]

yuh

[glacial rampart]

ringworm isnt a real worm

[errant swallow]

is there any other confirmed encounter with draedon later on?

[long bloom]

no

he has Way Too Fuckign Much content already

[errant swallow]

i want MOOOOOOOOOOOOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

im not saing bossfight or anything

but just encounter

[long bloom]

nothing confirmed

or even speculated

might be a new draetalk entry after yharim but that'd be it i think

[strong notch]

i feel the same

[glacial rampart]

draedon has like the most shit out of everyone in the mod right now

[long bloom]

by several dozen orders of magnitude

[errant swallow]

then give yharim some shit

i mean

draedon gets so much

[long bloom]

they're WORKING ON IT

RAHHHHHHHH

[errant swallow]

and only thing yharim gets IS WHISPERING IN MY EAR

[errant swallow]

WORKING ON IT?

LIKE WHAT?

[long bloom]

SSO WILL HAVE ACTUAL LORE PRESENTATION

[errant swallow]

WHAT THE HELL IS SSO

[long bloom]

SUNKEN SEA OVERHAUL

[strong notch]

Sunken Sea Update

[errant swallow]

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

when is it coming out

i want more content

[long bloom]

late this year probably

but brainstorm is coming Soon

(the actual next update)

adds the 648 morbillion shits from sso that aren't actually sunken sea related

[errant swallow]

so brainstorm has all non sso things?

[long bloom]

behold
reworks

[long bloom]

the vast majority

for example, slime god rework isn't making the cut

[errant swallow]

slime god rework?

[long bloom]

more minor tweaks than rework

bc of the heart sprites

they don't work with current ai

[robust osprey]

rip slime god

[errant swallow]

why are all souls depicted circling a core(like soul of light fright sight auric soul etc.) but te polterchan ones are different

also is the player technically a god

cuz it consumed an auric soul

[robust osprey]

it

didnt

[split mortar]

We dont consume yahrons soul

Yharim would be dead if we did

[robust osprey]

yharon's soul is teleported away

beacuse yharon's smart

how do you think he's not dead by now

[errant swallow]

whats the thing we consume then

[split mortar]

We get like a couple shavings off a mountain worth of soul
Not much in the grand scheme of things but enough to mock attune auric

[robust osprey]

uuh nothing

[long bloom]

nothing???

[robust osprey]

if you play Hunt Of The Old God, you do consume his soul

[split mortar]

Might be on about dragonfruit max hp item?

[long bloom]

do you think hunt of the old god is canon

[robust osprey]

but only in hotog

[errant swallow]

ohhhhhhhh

its the hotg

no

[robust osprey]

and hotog is not canon

[errant swallow]

i didnt know it added that

i thought it was basecal

[split mortar]

No

[long bloom]

[robust osprey]

yeah you can consume his soul for whatever reason in hotog

[errant swallow]

anyway answer this question except the yharon soul part

[mighty zenith]

i love how its handled

[split mortar]

Not like it meaningfully buffs the player

[mighty zenith]

absorb soul of the last dragon alive for minor stat buffs

incredible

[long bloom]

3% damage WOOOOOOOO

🔥 🔥 🔥

[split mortar]

Dont think we know enough of how souls work atm to tell

[errant swallow]

still kinda bugs me out

[young socket]

profaned rage ass buff

also like its not only the polter ones

ectoplasm, the vanilla item, also contradicts the early hm soul designs

[robust osprey]

the only explanation I can come up with is calamity keeping with vanilla "consistency", and polter souls are based on ectoplasm

[split mortar]

Explodes tsuki with mind

[robust osprey]

is this lore related? no

but still

[errant swallow]

but ectoplasm is souls?

[soft flame]

i think ectoplasm is what souls are made of

idk for sure

[errant swallow]

silva is dead?

[young socket]

no shes immortal

[long bloom]

she got diced like an onion but is technically aliveish

[young socket]

what the FUCK

[long bloom]

(comatose and braindead)

[young socket]

why did YOU get cool dudes

[long bloom]

but she'll walk it off

[broken pawn]

kinda

[long bloom]

idk????

[young socket]

youre telling me I DIDNT GET IT

BUT YOU DID

💥

[errant swallow]

I would love calamity even more if they unwormed the bosses

[split mortar]

Why do you want it

[split mortar]

DS in sso is become lizard thing
Still segmented
But like actually unique and has legs

[dusk laurel]

cool dude gives embed perms idk thats like the only reason id see someone wanting it

[errant swallow]

what about dog

[dusk laurel]

we dunno

there are no plans

its still gonna be segmented

thats basically all we know

[split mortar]

The big sprite hpu made is unlikely to be used so it in the air

[errant swallow]

god i hope they unworm all the bosses

like why did they make all the bosses worms

[dusk laurel]

worm bosses are fine but they are so poorly made and designed

[errant swallow]

makes no sense from a design perspective

[errant swallow]

they are not

[split mortar]

Calamity has an abundent amount of worms but not all of em are

[dusk laurel]

worm bosses in the mod are as poorly designed as everything else

[long bloom]

worms aren't inherently bad

[dusk laurel]

^

[split mortar]

Worms are not inherently bad as a concept

[long bloom]

they just suck individually

[errant swallow]

"alr so we are gonna add this new boss he is gonna gods and shit so any ideas for how he might loo-"
"worm"

[wheat ibex]

id like to keep dog as a worm as i cant really see what else they'd be

[split mortar]

That one cactus worm boss in 1.3 tmod thats better coded then like every fabsol boss ever

[dusk laurel]

okay im ngl people thinking every boss in this mod is a worm is like how the community thinks dog gets resprited and/or every month

[split mortar]

^

[errant swallow]

i just think dog,storm weaver,desert scourge and aquatic scourge were missed potential

[split mortar]

Dog is the one boss in calamity i think could pull being a worm off the best out of the lot they have

[errant swallow]

thats aquatic scourge

it makes sense

[split mortar]

With ds become lizard its likely that aquatic scourge will also become changed

[dusk laurel]

every boss is

[errant swallow]

for it to be a worm

FOR DOG THOUGH

[split mortar]

How so

Its also some lizard thing like ds even if not same species

[errant swallow]

i mean sea serpeants

i mean

they could explain it like

ds evolved to grow legs cuz desert

[dusk laurel]

ds is becoming a lizard and as will be based off of a salamander

[errant swallow]

and aquatic scourge ran to sulphurous sea so he doesnt need it

[dusk laurel]

thats not true

[errant swallow]

is there any concept art of it?

[split mortar]

We have some scraps of art yeah

[errant swallow]

show

[split mortar]

Aqua was always in seas And never had to flee from scal

iirc

[errant swallow]

i thought it was related to ds?

so it isnt right

no reason to turn into lizard

[split mortar]

They arent the same species

[dusk laurel]

they are related like how humans and monkeys are related

they might be part of the same group of animals but they arent closely related

[split mortar]

Ds iirc

[dusk laurel]

desert scourge is an amphibious omnivore and aquatic scourge is a giant marine filter feeder

[split mortar]

Also may you elaborate

[errant swallow]

IT HAS SO MUCH FAILED POTENTIAL

alr so

[dusk laurel]

and if the writers had kept the old lore it wouldnt make any sense as the shores region that ds inhabited was only nuked like a decade ago and thats not enough time for it to run away to the sulphurous sea and evolve into a nearly completely different animal, or vice versa where ds supposedly "dries up"

[errant swallow]

imagine

there is a cosmic creature that eats gods

theres no reason for it to be a worm

[dusk laurel]

what would worm mean in this case

the biological term, a long creature, or the terraria definition of a worm

[errant swallow]

whats the terraria definition

[split mortar]

Basically just segmented enemy im pretty sure

[errant swallow]

isnt skeletron a worm then?

[dusk laurel]

every segmented enemy in terraria and modded basically besides things like wyverns

[errant swallow]

im talking biological

[dusk laurel]

dog isnt biologically a worm already

its not possible its an alien

[split mortar]

DoG is not anything comparable to anything then

[dusk laurel]

it just looks like one

[split mortar]

Yeah biologically weaver, deus and dog cant be worms due to alien

[wheat ibex]

ive said this like 20 times, but that one concept art did it really well

[split mortar]

The iban one?

[dusk laurel]

i like iban's dog design but it kinda is just, an eel but with a different head thats based off of the current dog head

[split mortar]

Iban dog does not fit the new lore version of dog
Far to elegant for a gluttonous egotistical bitch

[wheat ibex]

ik but its so soooooooo good

are we still getting that one ravager redesign?

[dusk laurel]

which one

[split mortar]

Its a good design yeah but something else would do dog better
Also dog would die in phase 2 due to auric anyways lol

[split mortar]

This?

[wheat ibex]

yu

yuh

[split mortar]

yea

[wheat ibex]

i can sort of see a resemblance ngl

might be delusional tho

[split mortar]

I sorta see it??

[faint totem]

Hmmmm

[dusk laurel]

the concept of knuckle walking

[wheat ibex]

what i find funny is that the ink demon would lowkey slam ravager

[faint totem]

You have to admit, the general body shape is close

[mighty zenith]

slim gorilla

they got nothing on 096

[wheat ibex]

atp any ravager redesign is better

[mighty zenith]

tru