lore-discussion

[split mortar]

In the world of calamity she is just a human yuh

[visual kiln]

im saying that rifht now

[woeful karma]

i dont think its at all fair to argue that just because an average person Could ascend to be god means that the deific era does not also represent a time when the common person was repressed by beings with immense inherent strength

[light linden]

do new zealanders have horns?

[pliant ruin]

The difference is that Terrarian's powers come from gear they're using which are external ways of empowering themselves
Gods and Calamitas are powers that they earned but became internal to their very being

[spare pier]

Sure they kind of cheated their way into being this strong but what are you just going to say that you only count as a normal person if you earn all of your power 100% legit after lifting weights for 100 years?

[visual kiln]

the terrarian doesnt have some fuckass domain or anyrhing theyre just objectively normal

[icy veldt]

Repressed in what way? Paying taxes?

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but lke

Is that any different from if a john "normal" huamn was opressing people

Idk it feels like

[visual kiln]

While gods do and calamitas dod the yknow the thing thst literally no one else will ever be able to do now bc shes the one who did it

[woeful karma]

no?

[visual kiln]

yeah

[woeful karma]

there are tyrants in real life too

[visual kiln]

exactly

[young socket]

you need to do 100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats and a 10km run every day

[pliant ruin]

This ocnversation is confusing

[split mortar]

Yeah

[spare pier]

But there were just as many normal ass people who could stand up to that oppression

The reason the Dragons were different was because that was not possible because they were too organized

[visual kiln]

i need to do a socioeconomic analysis of calamity

[spare pier]

You can't undo the Dragon's oppression because then you were just fighting Every Single Fucking Dragon Ever

Theirs was a systemic kind of oppression towards any other sapient race on the planet

Gods were not the same

[eager bluff]

gods are. i guess.
they're like if the flash became a tyrant
yeah he used to be a normal guy but he isnt a normal guy and is distinctly way fucking stronger than any normal person

[young socket]

batman takes over gotham

🔥

[visual kiln]

gods r like dragons if other things could rival the dragons

[pliant ruin]

but what about the entire idea that calamtiy's definition of god isn't based on strenght

and that there are several gods that are literally weaker than mundane animals and beings

like

slime god

whic heah is one of the weakest ones but point stands

[eager bluff]

you're right it isnt! gods are still unimaginably powerful

[spare pier]

And ok cool I'm 8asically just dumping a 8unch of 8ullshit I shouldn't 8e saying here now

8ut whatever

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but that dosen't mean mundane people can't become that strong

[eager bluff]

remember slime god is still capable of destroying entire armies on its own

[pliant ruin]

Evidently

you can

[cosmic zenith]

There's also the fact that Gods were, for better or worse, a lot more human; their rulership was closer and more socially understood, not to mention that they could be talked to (unlike Dragons, which could only communicate with either attunees or people who knew their language)

[spare pier]

A lot ot fucking people can

May I remind you how strong a random ass Go8lin Warlock is?

[visual kiln]

i agree that the era before gods and the era after are qualitatively different

but also

[spare pier]

Or a random ass Pirate Captain?

[pliant ruin]

Like it feels like it's overglorifying gods as way more inherently powerful and way less Human than they actually are

[eager bluff]

blunder blunder blunder blunder

[spare pier]

Like people are strong bro

[young socket]

the terrarian can be anyone and that means anyone can be the terrarian, and therefore everyone is strong cuz they could be anyone

[visual kiln]

The era pre and post yharim is different too

[split mortar]

Blunderbeard…

[visual kiln]

Like

Wven their lifespans

Even the gods lifespans

[leaden bridge]

Just eat the fruit that gives you health

[visual kiln]

If that were the only difference other than auric soul stuff

U cannot possivly tell me that havinf an immortal ruler wouldnt fundamentally change ur culture and society

and also thst said ruler dying wouldnt have massive effects

[spare pier]

Yeah of course it will 8e different 8ecause Yharim entirely uprooted the foundations of the world as we know it

[visual kiln]

Yes exactly!!!!

[pliant ruin]

I do think a society ruled by a God would be different from ruled by Not a god because of things like immortality yeah

But i also don't thin

[spare pier]

8ut that's not my point

[pliant ruin]

Gods should be treated like they were these inherently powerful beings and extremely different from humans who earned their power through other ways

bgecause i don't think theey are

[spare pier]

My point is that Gods are still humans and that their era is just as much humanity's era

[split mortar]

Its different cause a child nuked italy
Thankfully

[visual kiln]

the era is defined by power stolen from the dragons tho

[pliant ruin]

Yeah so what tho

[icy veldt]

I also don't think that the Gods' realms were any more inherently repressive than non-God-ruled realms

[visual kiln]

while the era after yharim is defined by the power humanity has by themselves

[split mortar]

The people in charge still be like humans

[visual kiln]

thetes no dragon juice to drink anymore

[pliant ruin]

mm

[split mortar]

Yeah theres god essence people can utilise

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but you still had to get that power in some way

Even if it's not Dragon Juice youl ike

If you have to make a big sword

[eager bluff]

the people in charge are similar to humans but its also not fully the era of humans

[pliant ruin]

you need materials

you gotta harvest them

[visual kiln]

ur ifnoring my point

[pliant ruin]

The entire point is that like

[visual kiln]

Ur ignoring it

[pliant ruin]

I'm not

[visual kiln]

Read what i said

[eager bluff]

i see it and yharim as more of a transitionary period

[icy veldt]

There are a ton of sources of power. Auric juice isn't the only one

[pliant ruin]

I did

I'm trying to explain why i still do not agree

[spare pier]

8ut that never defined the structure of the era

[pliant ruin]

Regardless of if a person's power comes from them absorbing an auric soul or them like making a giant sword

[spare pier]

If people got their power from any other means things would 8e 8asically identical

[pliant ruin]

That's still power that they were not born with and had to acquire through resources form the world itself in some way

[visual kiln]

Do people who dont absorb auric souls get domains

[spare pier]

Do you even know what a Domain does?

[pliant ruin]

Do epople who dont have a giant gun get a giant gun

[spare pier]

8ecause the answer is no you don't

[visual kiln]

do u?

[spare pier]

8ecause we still don't have a clear answer

[visual kiln]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

Why is a domain any different from like
Magic, or powerful gear, or anything else

[visual kiln]

except that xeroc controls the sun

[spare pier]

8ut it's nowhere near as 8ig of a deal as you make it 8ecause as you can see

[visual kiln]

Bc of their domain

[pliant ruin]

Why do domains specifically get treated differently

[spare pier]

A random fuckass girl 8ecame stronger than the Goddess of fucking Ash

[split mortar]

Otonilou breaks thermodynamics
Or atleast something related to her

[visual kiln]

and silva has the ability to like control life or change it evidently

[magic epoch]

iwcan Also do that

[spare pier]

That's literally just high degree 8iomancy

[split mortar]

Life magic??

[pliant ruin]

Yeah and Calamitas can fire huge fucking fireballs to incinerate italiy

[spare pier]

Which anyone can learn

[pliant ruin]

People just have Magic Man

[visual kiln]

no one can learn how xeroc controls the sun

[split mortar]

Domains help but they arent insurmountable

[young socket]

rod of discord?

[spare pier]

Yeah 8ecause Xeroc is 300 times more powerful than fucking everyone in the entire universe

Of course only he can control the sun

[visual kiln]

i didnt know rod of discoed gave u conteol of the sun

[young socket]

also the sun summoner weapons

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but he's Xeroc
He has the strongest domain and has trained for thousands of years nad he was already one of the strongest huamns when he was a mortal

Using Xeroc as an example is like

extremely unfair imo

Not at all representative

[split mortar]

Sunlight can be manipulated look at eol
And thats prob cause xeroc is 7384648374 times stronger then everyone

[pliant ruin]

Specially because

Xeroc won't die anyways

He'll still be around

Also yeah other beings can wield primordial light

Empress does, even you can with weapons ingame

Daybreak, Solar Eruption

[young socket]

honestly a better comparison for domains being more useful than standard magic would be like slime god who can control slimes

[spare pier]

Why don't you use the Woman Who Has The Domain Of Flame and The Girl Who Burned A Fucking Sea as a comparison?

[pliant ruin]

just not as good as xeroc

[young socket]

like no one else does that

[eager bluff]

they're still in the process of removing the massive influence the dragons had on the world
obviously the influence the dragons have had wont be completely excised because of people like xeroc existing and yharon existing
its more of an era of the common person than it was during the draconic age, but its not fully there yet

[young socket]

no one else can just control slimes

[visual kiln]

Rhat too

That too

[spare pier]

The nefarious Slime Staff:

[pliant ruin]

I'm ngl you probably can control slimes

yeah

lmao

[split mortar]

Lmao

[visual kiln]

all slimes ever?

[young socket]

i forgot about that

[spare pier]

Of course you can control Slimes

[eager bluff]

the nefarious royal gel:

[pliant ruin]

No

[spare pier]

Azzy

[split mortar]

Yes cause slime god does that
Looking at queen slime breaking free

[spare pier]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

but i dont think slime go dcan either

[spare pier]

Anyone

And I fucking mean

ANYONE

Could do that

[leaden bridge]

The source of Calamitas' power is also kind of unnatural though isn't it, we wouldn't call it a normally attainable state by any singular guy, outside ofc the terrarian's methods

[spare pier]

Assuming enough control over a field of magic

[pliant ruin]

Can anyone ever control all slimes ever simultanenously or are we more so saying controlling any random ass slime they see

[visual kiln]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

because the latter i mean yeah

[spare pier]

What makes Auric Souls so powerful isn't that you get a unique brand of magic

[visual kiln]

no one can get cal’s power anymore

[young socket]

i said the latter

[spare pier]

It's that you get a cheat code that gives you insane mastery over it

[pliant ruin]

And even then you still have to like

risk your life to get it

Usually

[spare pier]

You don't have to spend decades mastering a brand of magic to get that powerful

[young socket]

former would be wild and would probably kill anyone whod attempt that under the premise of there probably being a fuck ton of slimes to control and no one has enough brain power for that aside from like draedon

[spare pier]

You just have to kill a Dragon

[pliant ruin]

Either that or just have a dragon homie that decides nah ur goated and gives you their soul i guess

[visual kiln]

it feels like the diff between the post and pre god eras is more economic than anything rlse maybe

[pliant ruin]

pre god as in

draconic?

because uh

[visual kiln]

wait

[pliant ruin]

no there'd be alot of differences a ctually

[visual kiln]

pre and post yharim

[pliant ruin]

oh

well other than the horrors yeah

you know

the thousands dead and civilizations destoryed and that sort of thing

[visual kiln]

industrial revolution in azafure and seemingly nowhere else

[pliant ruin]

like other than that

[pliant ruin]

Does it

have to be nowhere else

[visual kiln]

I havent seen it mentioned and that seems to be a big trait of azafure specifically

[spare pier]

Ok but my point is that if you're going to claim every person who has a unique source of power to not be a "normal person" and therefore not count as part of humanity that just means even nowadays this is just the era of specific individuals and not humanity's

[pliant ruin]

It feels like you're like

Being a bit too restrictive with only the stuff the game tells you

or the lore

wtv

Like

[young socket]

is it like that or are just not being told other places like that

like

[spare pier]

Even Yharim isn't a "normal person" by these standards bro

[pliant ruin]

nobody has been seen controlling slimes so slime god is the only one with slime power

[visual kiln]

Slime staff exists

[pliant ruin]

no other society has be seen with industrial revolution ongoing so only azafure has it

[eager bluff]

except they can
permafrost, while really fucking old, still rivals scal in terms of power. in his own brand of magic (ice magic) im pretty sure hes comparable to scal with her fire magic

[young socket]

if someone said "yea london had a great industrial revolution" would your assumption be that paris and therefore france didnt have an industrial revolution either

[spare pier]

What

Jacob what

[pliant ruin]

permafrost does not rival scal in power but you can in fact rival scal in power

[eager bluff]

oh does he not

[spare pier]

Where the fuck did you get that Permafrost rivals SCal in power?

[pliant ruin]

You can't obtain power in the really specific way she did surre

But you can still become strong through other ways

[young socket]

permafrost doesnt rival scal,,,

[eager bluff]

the part where hes the archmage and scal isnt

[young socket]

hed prob know of more strategies than her tho

[icy veldt]

Because of knowledge, not raw strength

[spare pier]

You don't get titles by being the strongest bro

[leaden bridge]

You do famously

But whatever

[spare pier]

No

That's not how titles work

[visual kiln]

u do

[spare pier]

Sure some titles are about strength

[visual kiln]

irl

[pliant ruin]

You can get titles through alot of ways

[young socket]

me getting a doctorate in maths because im buff as hell

[pliant ruin]

Some of them are about strenght but not all

[spare pier]

But Archmage is not a title about strength it's about being the best mage and being a mage is not about being strong

[young socket]

you get a title for doing something impressive and whats impressive changes for people

[spare pier]

That's like saying the best engineer on the planet can beat every other engineer in a fist fight

[visual kiln]

yeah

[young socket]

and for the archmage its evidently not strength

[pliant ruin]

Permafrost never was much of a fighter so it makes sense

[eager bluff]

but yeah somebody can absolutely rival scal in terms of her direct power

[young socket]

its probably knowledge considering

[pliant ruin]

He's just like really knowledgeable and shit

[split mortar]

Einstein did not invent e=minecraft square by punching physics with buff as fuck arms

[young socket]

well hes a wizard what do u think wizards do

[pliant ruin]

he did wdym

[young socket]

[spare pier]

Permafrost isn't going to beat everyone in a fistfight

[pliant ruin]

he fistfought phyiscs

[spare pier]

But he's going to create a spell that revolutionizes refrigeration

[noble falcon]

I mean idk about you but that’s what I was taught he did in school

[visual kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-spin-cute-rabbit-gif-17536368388839637050

[young socket]

i fistfight my code (bruteforce it)

[spare pier]

And that's 300 times more important to society than being able to freeze an ocean

[eager bluff]

epic embed fail! mods kill aza

[pliant ruin]

same

[pliant ruin]

pesnive

[young socket]

why are YOU bruteforcing ur code

[spare pier]

Anyways

Going 8ack

[pliant ruin]

sometimes its evil

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/loop-loop-isat-loop-in-stars-and-time-in-stars-and-time-loop-isat-loop-gif-8072051359183583060

[noble falcon]

All knowledge is based on wanting to punch something, be it an object or an idea, the punching may also be literal or metaphorical

[young socket]

siffrin gun

[eager bluff]

epic embed fail! mods kill melon

[spare pier]

.

[split mortar]

Theres not even the gun anymore

[icy veldt]

Everything is about punching, not just knowledge

[split mortar]

Click the gif

[eager bluff]

no

[split mortar]

Coward

[pliant ruin]

Yeah it's really weird to just separate humanity like that

[young socket]

ip grabber

[split mortar]

Let me eat your ip address i want food

[pliant ruin]

In a world where magic and weird shit like that exists people will naturally seek it for ways to become stronger

[visual kiln]

ok fine they’re abnormal but still human

[spare pier]

This isn't a8out how you got strong, it's a8out who gets strong

[cosmic zenith]

*in a mech fight

[pliant ruin]

no yeah this

[visual kiln]

in which case still the era before and after yharim is still different simply bc now there arent super long lived goobers running around with powers stolen from dragons trying to rule everyone

now its just normal lifespanned people ruling everyone

[pliant ruin]

yeah

so

[eager bluff]

i will reiterate
the era of the crusade and the deific era isnt fully an era of average joe
its getting damn close but its not fully there yet
by the time yharim dies im confident in saying it will have shifted the balance enough for the world to be considered a world ruled by essentially just average joe

[pliant ruin]

back to the first thing vriska said

[visual kiln]

which is different

[cosmic zenith]

Now I extend to you this question: what's to say that no unnatural means ever appear again?

[pliant ruin]

the literal only actual difference is the lifespan

[visual kiln]

If i die does my gore salt the earth and spawn horrors beyond imagining

[leaden bridge]

that's fair and in the context of what the terrarian does basically anything is possible but we would say it's a little disingenuous to pretend most people can really do it by mere merit

[icy veldt]

Which is also known as bellum omnium contra omnes "war of all against all"

[split mortar]

Mine do

[visual kiln]

yeah

[young socket]

it will be era of draedon and draedon will make draedoncorp so he can fund any research ever and have scientists working 24/7 and he can work on whatever he wants too and itll just be egghead but for the entire world

[icy veldt]

Depends on how you die

[pliant ruin]

guy whos a cyborg who explodes when they die

[spare pier]

Since when have we said that most people can do it by mere merit?

[pliant ruin]

rules over city

gets killed

blows up

[young socket]

also like yea hold on

[visual kiln]

does the explosion linger and spawn horrors

[pliant ruin]

also evil biomes were like a shit ton of gods and also really fucking evil gods

[eager bluff]

if its radioactive

[spare pier]

I'm saying that just because you got power through unnatural means that doesn't mean you no longer classify as a human and now you are some sort of third thing that is leading the new era

[pliant ruin]

i think if you killed like a single god whos like not evil as shit youd get like

[visual kiln]

if!!!

[pliant ruin]

probably nothing thats actually bad for anyone around tbh

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, I think claiming that anyone can do it is a bit misleading
It's more like the right circumstances and skills could theoretically lead anyone to such power

[jovial ridge]

Depends on your diet

If it’s normal no

[pliant ruin]

^

^^^^^^^^

[jovial ridge]

If you’re doing keto or some shit you’re spawning eldritch horrors

[visual kiln]

i agree now yes

u are human

[leaden bridge]

Holy ahit schlock

[young socket]

with sciences advancing (mechanic, steampunker, cyborg), the average person being able to get stronger becomes easier and cheaper (requires less resources (due to more efficient processing methods) and also other stuff like technology based weaponry being stronger and easier to use for most people and will take less training)

[visual kiln]

but u arent normal by any means

[jovial ridge]

Hello

[visual kiln]

imo

[spare pier]

I mean yeah but that's never been the point

[agile matrix]

from what i skimmed, just bc the game never says it doesnt mean its not true

[spare pier]

Society has never been ruled by normal people

[young socket]

i mean pirates literally have flying airships with strong ass cannonballs

[pliant ruin]

i think nobody is normal after post ml ngl

[icy veldt]

If it was a good God that got assassinated by some wackjob, the remains might even spawn a natural holy site for people to worship at

[agile matrix]

well

no

the npcs

those guys are kinda normal

[visual kiln]

for most of human history irl it was

[pliant ruin]

well yeah but mean like

post ml strenght people yk what i mean

[spare pier]

No

[visual kiln]

yea

[agile matrix]

they gain stat boosts as the game goes on

[eager bluff]

id argue hardmode is where you start being considered exceptional

[agile matrix]

the training manuals

[spare pier]

Or what are you going to say people who inherit billions of dollars and emerald mines are normal people?

[jovial ridge]

I feel like the instant you start flying around is when you start being exceptional

[agile matrix]

they are, legally, stronger than they were at the start of the game

[split mortar]

I mean
Local legend level after basically one boss

[visual kiln]

they arent normal people no

[agile matrix]

organically they're no different than you or me

[jovial ridge]

Or, you know, start spamming magic

[young socket]

a group of pirates has a chance against the mech bosses id say thats pretty good for people who mainly use guns and bows

[visual kiln]

but did they always exist

[agile matrix]

monetarily they're a giraffe on mars

[spare pier]

And guess what demographic has always ruled society?

[visual kiln]

do u know how long human history is

[young socket]

like not even advanced guns

[pliant ruin]

what about caveman grug with big spear

[eager bluff]

do you know how long society has been around for that

[pliant ruin]

leader of cave tribe

[spare pier]

I said society not caveman grug with big spear

[visual kiln]

most of it!!!

[jovial ridge]

Unbeatable superthreat

[icy veldt]

The Illuminati?

[visual kiln]

thats how humans survived !!!

[young socket]

ALIENS?!?!??!

[leaden bridge]

boring lame white men

[visual kiln]

by organizing into societies!!!

[pliant ruin]

Caveman grug with big spear?

[visual kiln]

Also

[spare pier]

But anyways you get my point

[visual kiln]

no

[agile matrix]

didnt this group have a very similar talk a bit back

[visual kiln]

rich people havent always ruled society

[agile matrix]

like we didnt have a definite track on when society began but timewise it was recent

[jovial ridge]

I dunno I’m barely here nowadays

[leaden bridge]

well depending on the geography they don't need to be white but the other two descriptors are generally always accurate except for counted exceptions

[visual kiln]

even in times they existed thereve been times they didnt rule society

[spare pier]

Rich people have ruled society for pretty much all of it

[visual kiln]

nope

learn history

[spare pier]

Azzy

Respectfully

[pliant ruin]

this isnt even lore discussion anymore

[spare pier]

Read what you just fucking told me

[agile matrix]

i think the lorewriter here (i dont remember which one was here at the moment) talked about it

[agile matrix]

its irl lore discussion

its okay

[icy veldt]

Rich in some way, but there is a difference between aristocracy and plutocracy

[pliant ruin]

we should stop this convo probably ⚠️

[agile matrix]

probably

[icy veldt]

TRUE

[agile matrix]

oh i got a good question

uh

[visual kiln]

what

[agile matrix]

yknow how theres like

braelor

and statis

and those guys right

[pliant ruin]

yeah

yeah those guys

my favorite

love htose guys

[young socket]

yeah those gays

[agile matrix]

were there more of those kinda people

like of "could kill yharim tier"

[split mortar]

I stopped paying attention for a min
Why

[agile matrix]

(if powerscale term used)

[agile matrix]

polly ticks

[pliant ruin]

derailed from calamity lore into acutal just political discussion

[agile matrix]

ma parrots getting kinda mogged by em

troll

[split mortar]

Ah

[icy veldt]

Probably, I think

[agile matrix]

actually, more refined question

[pliant ruin]

Probably not many

Getting that strong is really hard and rare for people so

[eager bluff]

a handful but realistically not many

[agile matrix]

presuming all of their power and effort were put into it, who could kill yharim at the peak of his crusade

[spare pier]

Yeah Azzy real fucking awesome of you to throw at me "go learn history"

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[spare pier]

I feel very respected

[split mortar]

Do yall think it would be theoretically possible for someone to use god essence like people did auric souls and become a new thing repeating that cycle or has that cycle fully ended by now

[visual kiln]

i feel very respected when it feels like u dont read what i say n i have to repeat what im saying constantly

[agile matrix]

hey uh

[eager bluff]

that cycle is over

[pliant ruin]

Can u two stop

[agile matrix]

aza?

take it to dms

[icy veldt]

I could be confusing them with each other, but Braelor was a worshipper of Silva, while Statis was a member of the Onyx Kin (not sure if I got that name right) It's likely that other major gods/faiths also had really strong warriors of their own

[agile matrix]

have your politics here

later

or not here

[spare pier]

Whatever

[eager bluff]

god souls are too unstable iirc

[spare pier]

I'm going to play Rain World now

[agile matrix]

we're here for funny feathered hat guy who really hates people

[pliant ruin]

feathered hat guy who really hates people

whos that one

[agile matrix]

yharim

[visual kiln]

sorry

[pliant ruin]

ohhh well thats not really a hat now thats a helmet come on

[agile matrix]

it goes on the head

[eager bluff]

he doesnt have a feather there

[agile matrix]

its a hat

[pliant ruin]

well maybe heh as feathers

those might be feathers

they could be his hair

but they migt be feathers

[split mortar]

Aight

[icy veldt]

They have three different components: the original World Soul shard, the Auric dragon's soul, and the God's soul. It just explodes when it exits the physical form, but that instability is also related to the reason why trying to ascend with multiple Auric souls is a bad idea

[agile matrix]

dude got scorched by the heat of the earth

its feathers

[pliant ruin]

healing magic does exist !

and hhes had like 100 years to heal himself

[agile matrix]

why would his hair be gigantic and Red

[pliant ruin]

aura

[eager bluff]

ascending with multiple souls isnt exactly a bad idea on its own but its a very slippery slope

[agile matrix]

imagine the aura of a hair of feathers like yharon

[split mortar]

Yeah the essence breaks apart
Im not saying to use the current god ascension ritual it was not made for that

[leaden bridge]

goozma communism is a funny haha joke but it works because calamity is really a story about people gaining power for one reason or the other and then pulling the ladder, it is only when both the ways of the old and new capitalists die that the power of the many can finally rise and benefit everyone, in this essay i will

[eager bluff]

like ascending with 2 auric souls you can handle its once you hit like 4 auric souls eaten that shit goes wrong

[leaden bridge]

they put a new soul on a guy's corpse and it turned into ravager we don't think itd be any more pretty if you did it on a living being

[split mortar]

Fair

[eager bluff]

it went like that because its a corpse

[jovial ridge]

Goozma’s a thing again?

[eager bluff]

o

no

[leaden bridge]

no

[pliant ruin]

I mean it probably woudnt be that much prettier on a Not corpse

[jovial ridge]

bummer

[leaden bridge]

you should read hunt of the old god's goozma lore item though

you'll love it

[icy veldt]

Seems like souls are a bit like atomic nuclei in that way, though not exactly since it's very simplified in comparison. The more "things" (world-soul, dragon, person/god, person who tries to use god-soul to ascend or smth etc.) a soul has mixed together, the less stable it is

[cosmic zenith]

Goozma is unironically a pretty cool development over new lore stuff

[agile matrix]

what is the new lore of goozma

i only know the unofficial one from calvan

[light linden]

they're the result of every slime being forced into one being

[split mortar]

Hunt of the old god?

[agile matrix]

oh i thought this was cal's goozma who i presume exists

[light linden]

all the souls and all the material those slimes absorbed being forced into one point created a new auric soul

[agile matrix]

oh hot damn fr

[cosmic zenith]

The World Soul shard and the Auric Dragon's soul are not distinct substances

[cosmic zenith]

Cal's Goozma does not exist

[light linden]

which I think has 2 possibilities for why it created a new soul

[split mortar]

Cals goozma is noxus

[leaden bridge]

all life on terraria has a little bit of auric juice inside, every slime on the planet fusing concentrated enough auric juice to make a whole new auric soul, functionally making goozma a god (or, well, a dragon, technically)

[agile matrix]

i know noxus as AoE

or as a very very very badly designed boss

[light linden]

either enough souls being forced into one could turn into an auric soul

[split mortar]

AoE is like a whole different character

[agile matrix]

yea but i mentally remember them as that

[split mortar]

Lame

[light linden]

or there's been little bits of auric energy all over the planet that slimes over an extreme amount of time have absorbed

[agile matrix]

(until i see cal's take on noxus in game its gonna stay as that)

[agile matrix]

i mean the theory of "throwing enough hammers will eventually hit a nail" works

they dont have proper souls

but if they all did, and all amalgamated

[leaden bridge]

all life on the planet having auric juice is cool we think

[light linden]

which when gathered in one place was enough to create an auric being that surpasses yharon and comes really close to zeratros

[agile matrix]

eventually one of them could perfectly fuse, then another, then repeat ad infinitum

[split mortar]

We gave no proof slimes lack souls

[leaden bridge]

the world soul is the World SOul after all

[agile matrix]

im pretty sure they're collectives of deletrius

[light linden]

either way

[split mortar]

What?

[cosmic zenith]

Which is why not only do I think it's one of the most creative yet reasonable explanations of another Auric soul being created, it also shows how Slime is an underrated domain

[light linden]

goes to show that auric souls might not be gone if Hotog is lore friendly in any way

[leaden bridge]

and realistically, if dragons could be blessed with souls at any time, that means that all the auric juice in the world soul didn't simply divide itself by all dragons that existed in a singular moment, but rather than the auric juice of the world soul exists elsewhere but the auric dragons

[split mortar]

Also slimes drop souls in the evil or hallowed biome underground

[agile matrix]

last i checked from lore and i think a few lore devs said they arent soulled beings

[light linden]

idt goozma has the domain of slime

[agile matrix]

souls of light and night =/= souls

lorewise

[eager bluff]

no they

[split mortar]

And god essence cant form a soul due to instability

[leaden bridge]

Goozma's domain is Chromatic

[eager bluff]

they are parts of souls

[cosmic zenith]

Not what I said though

[split mortar]

What

[light linden]

I think it has the domain of radiation or some derivative of light

[split mortar]

What the fuck are they then

[eager bluff]

like they're not full souls but they're parts of them

[light linden]

ik but I was clarifying

[agile matrix]

^

[light linden]

it'd be interesting if two beings had the same domain at once though

[eager bluff]

so yes they are osuls

[split mortar]

Oh heres my metal bar metalium no its not a metal its a wood

[agile matrix]

they arent full souls

[cosmic zenith]

Exactly!

[eager bluff]

but they're still souls

[light linden]

from what I understood

[eager bluff]

half a pizza is still a pizza

[light linden]

they're like the amalgam things from steven universe

bits and pieces of other souls that came together to form new ones

[split mortar]

I thought souls of light and night were god essence infected souls
So like
Moldy pizza

[leaden bridge]

we imagine two different beings cannot share domain by mere "rules of the setting" magic, the world soul simply can't divide its power like that

[agile matrix]

mm..

semantics.

[light linden]

I mean

the domain of slime wasn't created directly from the world soul

[eager bluff]

you started the semantics do not try to argue semantics when you are the reason we started talking semantics in the first place

[cosmic zenith]

I think people (us included, to some extent) have yet to fully understand the scope of calling the source of Auric souls the "World Soul"

[leaden bridge]

by saying this we technically are implying that if you kill the holder of a domain the slot frees up and you can try and get it

[agile matrix]

half a pizza is objectively not a pizza

its half a pizza

[light linden]

it came from a derivative of the gluttony soul

[icy veldt]

It's not enough pizza 😔

[agile matrix]

truth

[eager bluff]

a person with no legs is still a person

[agile matrix]

indeed

[icy veldt]

Then again neither is a whole pizza

[leaden bridge]

Yes, but Goozma's soul Is a Pure Auric soul, not a merged one

[light linden]

what do y'all think goozma's domain is btw?

[light linden]

ik

[leaden bridge]

its chromatic

[agile matrix]

they have all the neccessary components to make them a person

[eager bluff]

its chromatic it objectively is

[light linden]

what does chromatic mean in practice?

[split mortar]

Light prob

[leaden bridge]

colors

[split mortar]

Budget xeroc

[light linden]

also another thing

hotog has also shown an auric soul being called something that doesn't correlate to the domain

yharon's is called the draconic auric soul not the rebirth auric soul

which means the name might not collerate to their abilities

[eager bluff]

gameplay thing

called that because its a draconic auric soul

and goozmas isnt

[split mortar]

Then what is it
The soul of nuclear fusion??

[leaden bridge]

we'll get them to rename it

[light linden]

I don't know

[young socket]

the horrible hog:

[light linden]

hence my question

[leaden bridge]

because goozma's domain is chromatic so it implies yharon's is draconic which doesnt make sense

[light linden]

also chromatic seems just a pinch too close to light

[split mortar]

Im not on about you

[leaden bridge]

rebirth is pretty close to life

[light linden]

this is prolly a question for the maker of it isn't it

idk who they are but still

[tall delta]

it is not called like that anymore for months

[leaden bridge]

hotog was made by a team

[light linden]

is the wiki outdated?

[tall delta]

probably

[eager bluff]

probably

[light linden]

I haven't fought yharon in months so I just went with the wiki

mb

still wonder what the hell chromatic does as a domain

well

[split mortar]

That one porygon episode

[light linden]

going off of what happens in the fight maybe it allows the wielder of it to create copies of themselves?

[leaden bridge]

it gives gooz the colors

[tall delta]

well you see all the shi goozma does in the boss fight right

[light linden]

yeah but idk how much of that is just from all the slimes or from the domain

he's made from slimes with a buffet of abilities

[split mortar]

Idk how nuclear fusion beams is chromatic or slime

[leaden bridge]

They got a lot of energy in there

Goozma is very dense

[cosmic zenith]

How this system works also makes you wonder what is the ultimate fate of the festering god essence

[light linden]

I literally asked something like that earlier stip

[leaden bridge]

diluted by the human soul, it probably cannot rejoin as efficiently as the slimes

[cosmic zenith]

And what did I say to you :)

[light linden]

you did?

idr you replying sorry

[limpid saddle]

If you think about it The Perforators & Hive Mind are like a really shittily done version of Ravager's ressurection

God Essence & mortal souls congealing itself together into a single entity

[split mortar]

I dont see how mortal souls are in the making of hivemind and perfs in a way thats nit included by god essence

[light linden]

polterghast

wait nvm I misread

[limpid saddle]

i suppose im assuming many of the armies of said gods died with them on the battlefields that bloomed into the crimson & corruption

& it is said the Hive Mind actively calls out to & demands reverence from lesser creatures

[leaden bridge]

just ascending corrupts the auric soul in a way that is not reversible, much harder for that to concentrate back into auric juice

[limpid saddle]

what?

[leaden bridge]

a god's soul is made up of the original auric soul and the soul of the god fusing

[limpid saddle]

yeah i know

[light linden]

I still find that a pinch hard to believe

[limpid saddle]

im positing that the Hive Mind & Perforators creation is a similar but more botched process to the God Of Sacrifice's ressurection as the God Of Blood

[light linden]

I feel like logically there's gotta be some way to seperate them

no clue how

[limpid saddle]

well they become one in the same

[leaden bridge]

probably as a natural process we guess the same way that elements separate over time

[limpid saddle]

the two prior entities are lost & a new force is created

[light linden]

I mean

[split mortar]

Yeah but its probably like super convuluted and not practically feasible
Like trying to make a cow out of the remains of someone who ate a cow

[livid sandal]

its probably similar to irreversable chemical reactions, like its technically possible but might as well not be

[limpid saddle]

Thats a good analogy

[light linden]

wait no that operates under the assumption that god souls are like alloys

[limpid saddle]

good job siffrin gun

[cosmic zenith]

What if the "corruption" of Auric souls is a natural part of the cycle? I'm not saying it is the case, simply entertaining the idea

[leaden bridge]

that'd be wacky and posit a lot of questions about the metaphysical nature of the world soul that are weird as hell

[light linden]

oh hi again stip

[cosmic zenith]

This delves into a much bigger discussion about what can be considered natural and what is the nature of the world like

[limpid saddle]

admittedly i missed a little bit by 'corruption' are we referring to their transformation into God Souls or something like how it turns into auric, the metal?

[light linden]

you get a chance to design vestr-whatever-their-name-is?

[cosmic zenith]

Vetrasyl?

[split mortar]

Stip if i ate hallowed god essence would that be healthy ir just glitter coloured but still like eating corruption/crimson

[light linden]

yeah

[split mortar]

Isnt there one in the lore doc

[livid sandal]

wait fovos devoured the souls of the dragons it killed right

[leaden bridge]

it implies that the destined goal of an auric soul is for its recipient to die and for someone to absorb it through a ritual which implies all of these things are somehow natural parts of the world, which is awkward because to me that means the world soul is some kind of deity instead of just like a collection of energies

[cosmic zenith]

I was technically the lead designer, though I was not the main artist, obviously

[limpid saddle]

no

they just kinda

died

he didnt do anything to their souls

[leaden bridge]

if the ritual to ascend and thus corrupt an auric soul is "natural" that's like, wacky

[limpid saddle]

Well I mean

[split mortar]

We dunno enough to say that for certain

[limpid saddle]

It's what happened to the World Soul Shards

[leaden bridge]

is it

[livid sandal]

so it just attacked for the sake of violence? I always just assumed it was eating the dragons

[split mortar]

We lack info on fovos to know for certain

[limpid saddle]

fovos was ACTUALLY sending auric souls to noxus 2000 years ago

dog is his son

[livid sandal]

the reason I ask...

[leaden bridge]

fovos was definitely eating thos edragons

[cosmic zenith]

And that's exactly the type of reflection I'm seeking to inspire - what is the world even like? How intuitive or weird is its inner workings, and how do we interpret said inner workings?

[split mortar]

Could be a fucked up strong cosmic animal or a member of a species or some celestial world conquerer we do not know

[limpid saddle]

Yeah, the Dragons claimed them as their own & thry became Auric Souls

[limpid saddle]

Humans laid claim to Auric Souls & they became God Souls

next it'll be like

[leaden bridge]

it's heavily implied fovos fucked with zeratros in a way that made reviving him impossible which really just kinda goes down into "zeratros no longer had very a functional auric soul"

[cosmic zenith]

It's a big rabbit hole

[limpid saddle]

beetles & the wyrm souls

[cosmic zenith]

And one where it's find to reach definitive answers without being guided by the narrative in some way

[limpid saddle]

& we'll just keep getting smaller until it's microbes fighting over the domain of dirt

[light linden]

stip can I ask a question about auric souls?

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

what'd happen theoretically if there were two beings that shared the same domain

god or dragon

[leaden bridge]

well it already is fucky as hell we mean, the sun orbits the planet and is controllable by a mortal

terraria is like fucked cosmically

[split mortar]

-# flame dragon and brimmy

[split mortar]

Also the moons evil

[leaden bridge]

like the fact xeroc and zeratros can control the sun means the sun is an inherent part of the planet's magic. clearly, terraria/the world soul is some weird as hell cosmic entity

[split mortar]

I mean it has a soul it was alive possibly

[leaden bridge]

which in part means it makes a lot of sense that the auric juice of the world soul can't meaningfully be lost it just gets distributed in a plethora of ways around the planet

[split mortar]

Also night is a domain
Not darkness
Night
Lack of day not lack of light

[leaden bridge]

then again there's this guy who's teleporting that way

that might be problematic

[limpid saddle]

the devs should add Disco Elysium SHIVERS to Calamity so we can talk to the spirit of the planet & get their take on things

[cosmic zenith]

There could be a handful of different interpretations, and it's not something that would happen often or at all between beings of Auric nature

I'd be leaning towards the fact that they draw upon the same primordial source, that is by nature not theirs, in ways that are, or evolve to be, distinct

[leaden bridge]

personally we'd just say it's impossible per rules of the setting

[cosmic zenith]

I'd say even different incarnations of the same Auric Dragon aren't necessarily the same in how they wield/represent their domain

[split mortar]

Brimmy/zaelithar

[leaden bridge]

isnt brimmy part of heat

[cosmic zenith]

(This is a natural consequence of my view, to an extent)

[leaden bridge]

also shes an elemental

different from world soul domains

[split mortar]

Fair

[livid sandal]

I thought of a little theory as to what the elementals may be. I had earlier suggested that they are simply tiny fragments of the world soul that are too small to have auric properties, especially given that Calamitas shows us that they can be absorbed to some degree. This has some obvious holes in it, but then I had another thought. What if, the elementals are the auric souls that where consumed by Fovos? The reason they act like simple manifestations of the elements they represent is because the "god" part was digested by Fovos. Maybe Fovos was a nightmarish creature that simply was attracted to Terraria for its food source, world souls. An explination for why brimstone elemental was so powerful could be that the dragon of brimstone was eaten only just before Fovos was destroyed, meaning less of the "auric" nature was digested. That would also explain why brimstone's power could still be absorbed like an auric soul to some degree.

wall of text has awoken

[split mortar]

Elementals predate fovos invasion

[livid sandal]

fuck

[limpid saddle]

thats true

[leaden bridge]

that's fun and all but we know very well where fovos put all the juice he ate

[limpid saddle]

Azafure & its culture, which I think we can safely say did include knowledge & perhaps certain rites around the Brimstone Elemental existed in the Draconic age

[leaden bridge]

anyways no one concerend about the fact the amount of auric juice in the planet has been on a decline, like it's not about it getting dilluded, two different fuckers have forcefully extracted it from the planet

[limpid saddle]

in his thighs?

[cosmic zenith]

Ah, Calamity cosmology, my beautiful freak child

[leaden bridge]

clearly this is not a good

[cosmic zenith]

This is, in fact, a huge issue

[livid sandal]

wait really?

[leaden bridge]

if things continue the way they are clearly the natural endstate of terraria is for all its auric juice to be lost to external entities and its magic (and probably all life on the planet) will just vanish

[split mortar]

Fovos doing sometthing to dragons souls
Dog funneling it to distortion

[cosmic zenith]

Which is why Fovos and Noxus are so high up on the level of strength/danger list

And why Xeroc wants to obliterate Noxus so badly

[livid sandal]

I know about dog's antics but I thought fovos' motives where unknown

[leaden bridge]

we guess under this interpretation it makes sense why xeroc gives absolutely zero shit about the genocide crap

[limpid saddle]

good thing this will surely all be solved if we beat noxus over the head with a rock until we see fragments of their skull in our nightmares

[split mortar]

The motives are unknown but that doesn’t affect that ml has fucked with auric souls

To the point they cant rebirth

[leaden bridge]

that doesn't change at all the amount of auric juice on the planet, while noxus does

[light linden]

I still want to fight fovos

[limpid saddle]

wonder how purifying the evil biomes is considered in this equation

[light linden]

ik it wouldn't be lore friendly

[limpid saddle]

you did

hes dead

[livid sandal]

so the idea that he kind of digested them still stands a little?

[limpid saddle]

good job

[light linden]

you know what I mean

[leaden bridge]

it still doesn't really explain why he didn't fucking blast dog from existence the second they got close to terraria but we'll take this explanation for xeroc's absence because it's the best one we have ever seen. Naturally it comes from us because we're a great writer

[split mortar]

Yeah its completely plausible its just not confirmed

[light linden]

I just wanna see what he can do

[cosmic zenith]

Power struggles that have always been present in human history regardless of period or context vs. otherworldly beings literally killing the planet

[limpid saddle]

Noxus's death animation is gonna look like the birth of a rainbow coated star with all the god essence they've suckled up

[cosmic zenith]

Blasting DoG means getting rid of both their primary lead, and Noxus' drinking straw
It'd make their search for Noxus a lot harder

[leaden bridge]

we do take a lot of issue with xeroc's absence because of the dog/cv thing but also because if he does care for life on the planet in any meaningful way (and has time to fucking make bossrush for us) clearly he's had time to prevent some like millions of death, this interpretation gives them the lenience of not having to care at all for the lives themselves, just what's happening with the auric juice

[livid sandal]

I love the idea of a natural alien so powerful that its foodsource is godhood itself which it gets by floating around the universe looking for planets to attack.

[cosmic zenith]

If Xeroc is to eliminate the problem, they have to go for the root of it

[woeful karma]

very providence (ror2) coded

[leaden bridge]

noxus can definitely feed on other things

supposedly the world soul is a terraria exclusive

[livid sandal]

I was talking abt fovos

oh really

[leaden bridge]

oh so can fovos , in that case

[visual kiln]

octolinggrimm

[limpid saddle]

doesnt really work when terraria's sun is seemingly the only celestial body in the universe that sustains life

[leaden bridge]

then again there might be non world soul sources of power

[woeful karma]

oh me

[visual kiln]

normalize calling fovos moon lord imo

[leaden bridge]

maybe other planets do have world souls but they're completely different mechanically

[split mortar]

I do a mix of both because i prefer to

[cosmic zenith]

It's good to finally have speculation around here

[leaden bridge]

you could say terraria's is the Auric Would Soul while Mars' is the Something Else World Soul, basically

[split mortar]

Yeah

[livid sandal]

well, terraria's is shattered so it obv works different because of that

[livid sandal]

cool idea ngl

[limpid saddle]

Didnt something makes mars uninhabitable too?

[leaden bridge]

we have a guess

[limpid saddle]

thus why martian invasion happens

[split mortar]

Didnt wwg theorise that coulda been fovos

[leaden bridge]

it could be fovos or noxus

[split mortar]

@wanton pendant theoriser get here

[real silo]

Fovos ate moob rocks

[limpid saddle]

why would they only come to Terraria now then?

[real silo]

moon

[livid sandal]

they call me mr making shit up

[limpid saddle]

aint there a 2000 year gap

[split mortar]

Like 900 odd year gap

[leaden bridge]

the recency of the invasion does make a good point for noxus rather than fovos , yes

mars bars

[limpid saddle]

thats still a long time

[split mortar]

Fovos tbf does travel
Fast

Maybe they are just ages away and fovos got here first

[wanton pendant]

Who summons me?

[split mortar]

Siffrin did

[leaden bridge]

didn't mars simply orbit around terraria or something

[wanton pendant]

Back to last week.

[split mortar]

Did you theorise fovos nukes mars

[wanton pendant]

Sí.

[split mortar]

We dunno

Its a planet and not a moon so prob not??

[livid sandal]

I love how the goofy little Martians have to be worked into calamity lore

[leaden bridge]

anyways imagine if you would an hypothethical martian world soul that instead of shattering just bores itself in the planet's core and lets its magic slowly seep into everything, meaning all martians on the planet naturally had some mastery over the wortld soul's magic

[woeful karma]

I FUCKING LOVE MARTIANS

[jovial ridge]

Planets can be moons to be fair

[leaden bridge]

then they lost it and had to develop their technology to compensate

[leaden bridge]

if you were to say that mars itself wasn't fully destroyed but rather just made inhospitable you could even say this is the reason why martians arrived to terraria a long while after fovos

[split mortar]

surprised draedon does not try using what they have to fight astral

[jovial ridge]

Yharim prefers to ignore the martians

[leaden bridge]

they had some buffer time to develop their technology before the planet fully died, but fovos had severed their connection to martian magic

[jovial ridge]

Not due to any ideological reasons

He just thinks they’re scary

[limpid saddle]

i mean yeah they're weird & green

thats like

[noble falcon]

I mean they can whoop you pretty good

[jovial ridge]

Grey actually

[limpid saddle]

the opposite of his primary colour scheme

of course he's scared of them

[woeful karma]

let me into caldev so i can make a martian update

trust me this is a good idea

[split mortar]

Let me into caldev so i can spread the truth of the terrarian

[leaden bridge]

anyways it's uncanny how good we are at writing bullshit man

[livid sandal]

I have to say I don't really see why a world soul would be unique to terraria, especially since beings like Fovos and Astrum Deus demand that there be a full scale universe

[woeful karma]

yeah

itd also be kind of lame

[noble falcon]

Can you also confirm explicitly that the frost legion is indeeed a canon event so we can have Yharim know what Mr stabby is while you’re at it

[woeful karma]

absolutely not

[cosmic zenith]

This would be peak ngl

I'd write a fanfic for a world like that

[leaden bridge]

he doesn't care abotu fighting astral or anything, but you're right in that draedon would be foolish to not look into martian technology whenever he's interested in doing interestellar travel

[woeful karma]

my agenda as a caldev: make martians canon, remove frost legion from the game

vote for me in the 2028 elections

[noble falcon]

Why though

[woeful karma]

im racist against snowmen

[livid sandal]

martians already are cannon arent they

[split mortar]

Isnt astral a hurdle for space travel for draedon

[split mortar]

Yes

[leaden bridge]

regardless of how slow it is he'd rpobably gain some meaningful knowledge, and maybe it's only slow because it doesn't have the auric juice crystals

[woeful karma]

oh im stupid

i didnt mean to write that i was thinking about frost legion

😭

[limpid saddle]

i dont know if i can trust a heartlands president with these policies

[woeful karma]

i meant expand martians!!

[livid sandal]

I have no idea how but I read this as "I am racist against women"

[leaden bridge]

we guess

[woeful karma]

ill lower the price of eggs

[leaden bridge]

surely astral can't be all that meaningfully present

[noble falcon]

“There is absolutely nothing wrong with them but they’re cold
With that being said we have to kill them”

[limpid saddle]

hmmm........

[real silo]

What about snowomen

[livid sandal]

I'm pretty sure that space is just so vast that even with godlike technology it's relatively impossible

which is a realistic and cool concept ngl

[leaden bridge]

it would be interesting to think about what you could do to prevent astral astralling all over your space ship

astral ore plating?

[split mortar]

If a ship gets astral on it then that ship is completely fucked lmao robots cant resist it

[leaden bridge]

we don't know if maybe that could still infect other materials

[noble falcon]

Clentaminator turrets on the outside of the vessel

[woeful karma]

theyre ok

[real silo]

Truthnuke

[leaden bridge]

would get astral'd eventually

[split mortar]

Limited ammo prob not viable for cosmic distances

[livid sandal]

the chance of coming into contact with a single particle of it would be incredibly low tho

[leaden bridge]

clearly the best way is to use teleportation

[livid sandal]

unless astral is the most powerful force in the universe

[leaden bridge]

terrarian teleporters aren't useful for this because they need to be wired, and the magical ones are tied to terraria's geography

[split mortar]

Would it?? Astral is literally formed by any stars that existed for too long without getting eaten

[leaden bridge]

maybe you could set up magical teleporters for other planets?

[split mortar]

True draedon admits this

[leaden bridge]

but that might require going to them, which is half the struggle

[visual kiln]

truke

chat what if the martians had politics

[leaden bridge]

we also don't know if there's a way to make use of the magical teleporters nt he scales draedon would need

[split mortar]

Draedon needs PL teleporters surely

[limpid saddle]

ship two anglers into space with a pylon & lets see what happens

[leaden bridge]

his problem is also that anything that requires traveling to the other planet to set teleportation infraestructure is simply not great

even if it isn't wired you need to make the journey once

[livid sandal]

Have I been running off of the old lore or something? I thought the astral infection was just a bacteriophage like virus that could infect anything and thus spread across the starts by randomly hitching rides on space debris. (theres a decent chance fungus irl did a similar thing actually)

[leaden bridge]

which isn't all that hard but it's still a challenge

[woeful karma]

thats old lore

[leaden bridge]

we guess doing whatvert he fuck noxus does is his best shot, but clearly he's not really able to replicate that

[livid sandal]

honestly a virus infecting and warping metal was kind of stupid now that I think about it

[leaden bridge]

and he can't even make them stable assumming they exist, as he implies when discussing cv's existence

clearly when we go to the distortion he'll take the opportunity to follow and eventually figure it out

[livid sandal]

noxus exists in a seperate plane of reality so it's not ever really teleportation, just walking through a non-euclidian hallway

[split mortar]

Tbf space travel in distortion if possible may not be as possible either

[leaden bridge]

that's teleportation man

doing a wormhole is functionally teleporting

[split mortar]

Cv is a portal to the distortion

[noble falcon]

Imagine the distortion works on nether rules
Use it to get places faster

[livid sandal]

I mean the end result true

[leaden bridge]

even if you need a tunnel between the points of space

[livid sandal]

but its not a wormhole its the nether from minecraft

[leaden bridge]

if we can survive there draedon can make something that definitely can travel through it

what about star wars hyperspace

[split mortar]

I mean no? That logic does not apply soundly to terraria and the cosmos beyond it why would that easily apply to the local bit of distortion we explore and whats beyond

[leaden bridge]

mmmm, you know what kind of thing probably travels like that

Deus surely need some hyperlight travel methods if they are to eat stars?

[split mortar]

Stars are close enough to fall down to the planet so not really

[leaden bridge]

draedon could maybe figure that one out like how in starwars hyperspace travel was developed thanks to the funny whales

[livid sandal]

are those really stars though

[split mortar]

Yes

[leaden bridge]

yeah but those are very small

[noble falcon]

Itty bitty but legitimate

[leaden bridge]

we don't think adult deus feed on that

hell, even our youngling tried to feed on a star big enough to develop the infection.

[gritty kraken]

Draedon when he realize he could send out a spaceship with 2 npc and a pylon

[split mortar]

The astral star we see yeeted down is bloated and bigger then normal iirc

[split mortar]

Joke made already

[split mortar]

So we have some kind of upper limit

[gritty kraken]

Late

[leaden bridge]

if that's a bloated star then stars are definitely absurdly fucking small because the astral meteorite is like 3 persons wide

thats actually kind of stupid

[noble falcon]

So the terrarian sun is just like uber close to the planet

[leaden bridge]

it'd still be bigger than the astral meteorite

physically impossible for something of that size to function like our sun

[cosmic zenith]

The Terrarian Sun is not a star

[limpid saddle]

mocking stars for not being 'the right size'...what has the world come to

[split mortar]

Its behind our moon and can do eclipse so its bigger then the moon by some amount but smaller then terraria

[livid sandal]

I mean its also physically impossible for stars to be so small and not destroy the fucking planet when they land

[noble falcon]

Dang
That’s weird to wrap my head around

[leaden bridge]

do other planets just get literal star light or do other primordial light suns exist

[split mortar]

We have no proof hydrogen stars from real life exist in calamity

[split mortar]

We dunno

Tho solar pillar controls primordial light so

[leaden bridge]

the "no other planet has world souls" thing makes it feel like they're not supposed to have suns like terraria's either, which makes it really weird again

[split mortar]

🤷

[leaden bridge]

did mars not have a sun

[livid sandal]

I suppose night time shows what the lighting would look like without the primordial light, since even though the stars obviously reflect some of the sun's light like the moon irl, the stars definitely produce their own light too.

[leaden bridge]

yeah and it is about as much as we get irl

which is very bad

for other planets if they don't have one we mean

[real silo]

More like 3 houses wide

Assuming shoebox houses

[leaden bridge]

sure

[limpid saddle]

How many houses?

[leaden bridge]

thats still like small

the sphere is bigger than that we think

[real silo]

doctor houese

[leaden bridge]

like literally, the sphere, the vegas sphere

[noble falcon]

Our house
In the middle of our house
Our house

[leaden bridge]

we have made our own star

it is a monument to our hubris

[livid sandal]

the vegus sphere of babel

[limpid saddle]

yeah weird rich people do that every 3 weeks & they keep getting more esoteric & destructive get with the program

[icy veldt]

Or a dragon... a meat dragon!

[leaden bridge]

anywyas point being it is hella awkward the biggest stars in calamity are like the size of a big building

as a concept

cow auric soul will be real in remix

exclusive teaser

[split mortar]

Lmao

[noble falcon]

So what is the terrarian sun exactly
Is it a guy
Let’s name him big Tony

[split mortar]

Its the sun

[leaden bridge]

its a sun

[noble falcon]

Ok

Can he still be big Tony

[leaden bridge]

which is a different thing from a star

[split mortar]

The only celestial object of its kind we know of

[leaden bridge]

we do not know if other suns eixst

that's scary

[livid sandal]

iron lung

[split mortar]

We know theres possibly at least one other

Cause

Solar pillar

[livid sandal]

Is anything known about why the primordial light exists?

[real silo]

plant hungy

[split mortar]

Why do protons exist

[leaden bridge]

the solar piller is a solar pillar

[limpid saddle]

Xeroc lives in the sun, i guess

[split mortar]

Why do gluons exist

[limpid saddle]

Thats something it does

[livid sandal]

no I mean the fucking sun

[leaden bridge]

there's also a very easy explanation for why there's primordial light in there

[limpid saddle]

contains old people

[split mortar]

Oh idk gravity maybe

[noble falcon]

Daytime empress saw people having fun and thought “well I just can’t stand for that no way” then made it

[leaden bridge]

this is true

empress outscales xeroc

[split mortar]

Tends to be the case for celestial objects

[livid sandal]

Maybe its something to do with the world soul

my favourite topic to make shit up about

[leaden bridge]

it definitely has to do with the world soul

[limpid saddle]

calamity empress is just some hallowed parasite that doesnt actually serve Xeroc but leeches on his power at day

[leaden bridge]

we don't see why it'd be tied to terraria's magic if not

[split mortar]

World soul seems to have domains over things that are relevant to the planet instead of the creation of what those are the domains of
Atleast in my opinion

[noble falcon]

I know she’s different functionally, I’m just being stupid here

[limpid saddle]

its a pretty weird direction for her i'll admit

[leaden bridge]

the fact a mortal can go and control the sun simply because of a fragment of the world soul makes the sun feel like it's a product of the planet's existence, the fact the sun orbits the planet is also a pretty good clue since, as you may know,

[limpid saddle]

calamity disproves heliocentrism?

[leaden bridge]

calamity's world is indeed geocentric

[noble falcon]

I think it’s interesting how Yharim hates the empress and really likes the bees
Just neat imo

[split mortar]

Makes me wonder why night is a domain then

[limpid saddle]

the 700ad monk from poland proven right once more

[leaden bridge]

we don't know why, this is really weird, please don't ask we're not a writer

it means day and night is a natural part of the planet

which means the sun exists to provide day and night

[livid sandal]

he hates leeches and controllers and feels bad for the bees I guess

[leaden bridge]

or maybe it kinda just is

[split mortar]

World soul is the calamity creator deity figure theory

[leaden bridge]

we mean there is a dragon of religion, explicitly not a very natural domain

[split mortar]

True

[noble falcon]

Bro saw honey for the first time during the crusade and thought “these guys… these guys are alright.”

[cosmic zenith]

Dragon of Faith, more accurately, but yeah, it's not exactly a natural domain

[limpid saddle]

real 'god is dead & a bunch of big lizards killed them' hours ig

[livid sandal]

isn't that kind of implied, like, instead of there being a "true" god the world soul steps in as a natural cause for existance

[leaden bridge]

actually the impression we get is that religion dragon got blessed with the religion powers specifically because people in the planet really liked doing religion

so clearly the world soul is sentient and capable of just doing that kind of thing

clearly (clearly)

[noble falcon]

Prepare to receive some auric spirit

[cosmic zenith]

With you here, Ender, I wonder if Fables is gonna tackle any kind of cosmology, or if it's gonna steer clear of that, which seems most likely

[leaden bridge]

oh we are definitely tackling cosmology of some sort later on

[livid sandal]

wait you're a fucking fabels dev???

[split mortar]

Oh wait neko is a fables writer?

Neat

[leaden bridge]

tester

[split mortar]

I see

[leaden bridge]

we're a little chud tester in a world of developer

s

[livid sandal]

cool beans

[cosmic zenith]

Sounds cool, looking forward to it

[leaden bridge]

we also localize the mod to spanish so technically we ARE a writer because our job inherently requires doing some amount of writing to adapt dialogue to spanish

[split mortar]

Yea

[noble falcon]

Yharim after watching killer bean forever

[split mortar]

Lol

[leaden bridge]

but yes there are plans related to people and bosses that will definitely touch on cosmology, there's also dog and that counts because he's from space obviously, and cosmology is all about the cosmos its int he name

hes also called devourer of gods

which you know

implies the existence of the lgods in question

[cosmic zenith]

Yep, even the more artistic side of writing, since translating meaning can sometimes be quite distinct from translating words
I spent a whole fucking weekend trying to translate my planned dev weapon because it was really hard to convey the exact meaning without butchering structure and vice versa

[cosmic zenith]

I see

[leaden bridge]

we mean they don't have to be like actually gods we guess, it's a moniker but like you get the point we'll definitely go high with the scopes eventually for sure

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, of course

[long scaffold]

We need to count how many times the TERRARIAN IS YOU image has been posted here because I feel like it’s daily

[noble falcon]

It’s a good reminder

[leaden bridge]

We hate that image man

[split mortar]

I mean is it wrong

[leaden bridge]

Genuine like seething hatred for that image

[split mortar]

Theres a whole server dedicated to emotes of it