lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

btw

[bronze thistle]

HOWEVER

he has a dragon :D

[pliant ruin]

look at how he completely contained the hallow

[bronze thistle]

had

a dragon

[abstract hedge]

Because if the crimson and corruption remain, they're "proof" that all gods were evil, so he doesn't do shit about them.

[pliant ruin]

^

[eager bluff]

he literally halved the population of the world

[pliant ruin]

It's very likely intentional

Because, again

the Hallow was fully contained

and he literally dosen't say Jackshit about it

the hallow dosen't have a whisper

😭

[abstract hedge]

Yeah he never mentions it once

[pliant ruin]

this isn't like

Because they haven't thought of something for it

No it's fully intentional

[abstract hedge]

It'd be funny if with the Yharock you could ask him about the hallow and he just wouldn't say anything.

[hybrid barn]

One of my favorite cases of Calamity being able to shape its lore around fun vanilla quirks

[bronze thistle]

honestly if you think about what he did, not only are those auric souls probably lost forever, but those pieces of the world soul are gone

[hybrid barn]

Since it actually makes sense

[bronze thistle]

unless killing the gods liberates the soul???

[pliant ruin]

it dosent

[abstract hedge]

It doesn't

[pliant ruin]

the dragons are gone

[abstract hedge]

The souls are merged by then

[pliant ruin]

theres no bringing them back

[abstract hedge]

World soul is gone
Dragons are gone
Most gods are gone
The world's fucked

[bronze thistle]

the yharim guy fucking stinks

[pliant ruin]

he was just killing them for revenge and a self-righteous sense of justice basically

[split mortar]

Yeah damn thats the point

[split mortar]

^

[abstract hedge]

300 million people are dead
The moon is evil
There's an evil hell continent

Noxus exists

[eager bluff]

i feel like the justice honestly is just him deluding himself

[abstract hedge]

calamitas exists

Draedon keeps fucking up the world even more

[pliant ruin]

what is this slander ...

[abstract hedge]

Ilmeris is gone

[mighty zenith]

hey calamitas is doing better

[abstract hedge]

Azafure is gone

[mighty zenith]

she actually feels remorse

unlike mr. piss hitler

[bronze thistle]

created an army that could kill gods several times over, made his THEN dragon friend watch as he slaughtered the Ex dragon souls, made a HUGE mess, then decided to call it a day

[abstract hedge]

You know it's true

[eager bluff]

its a retroactive thing for him to use as his own personal moral shield, i cant be evil because im doing this for justice for the dragons

[pliant ruin]

It is NOT true

[bronze thistle]

i know yharon was also hellbent on revenge for awhile

[hybrid barn]

Ooohhhhh automod!

[mighty zenith]

jokes on u mods dont get caught by it

[eager bluff]

not really his own fault

[pliant ruin]

I mean Yharon fully supported his ideals

Yharon wanted him to kill all those gods too

[abstract hedge]

Yharon was completely fine with him killing gods, who do you think taught Yharim his genocidal ideologoy?

[pliant ruin]

^

Yharon literally told him

[hybrid barn]

Wait, really? That's funny

[pliant ruin]

ay bro... i hate those gods too bro... we should like... kill them dude

and then yharim was like

[eager bluff]

azafure getting blown up is like

he wouldnt do that

[pliant ruin]

duuude thats so true.... soooo true bestie... we should do that... yeah...

[split mortar]

Yharim and yharon are racist

[abstract hedge]

I'm just talking about how the world is fucked, like the moon being evil and noxus existing aren't Yharim's fault either.

[hybrid barn]

Eeehhh-

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/handshake-muscles-lets-go-gif-13415213

[bronze thistle]

im guessing there wasnt a dragon of forethought was there?

[eager bluff]

hes evil but azafure a) wasnt under the influence of the gods so outside of yharim judgement beam and b) his fucking main ally

[pliant ruin]

yharim and yharon when the topic is racism and genocide

[abstract hedge]

Probably not but there were a shit ton so I wouldn't be surprised.

[hybrid barn]

I mean, you're right that he didn't do that, but he 100% would if he had a reason

[pliant ruin]

I mean

Yharon literally remains by his side until the end

Yharon is the only one that still actively supports him

[abstract hedge]

Yeah everyone else abandoned him

That's his only regret.

[eager bluff]

even just off the logistics angle azafure going kablooey because he said to make it go kablooey is him shooting himself in the fucking face

[pliant ruin]

Yharon isn't Yharim's like servant or lackey or pet they're more like

They're Bros

they're War Criminal Bros

[bronze thistle]

i mean can u even have laws in a place like terraria

[eager bluff]

yes

[pliant ruin]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Yes

[eager bluff]

yes you very much can

[pliant ruin]

Idk about the geneva convention but laws yeah definitely

[bronze thistle]

whats the legislation on world evils

[abstract hedge]

Calamitas was depressed, Yharim pushed Draedon away, DoG is doing his own thing now, Azafure is destroyed, the dragon cult left him cause of polterghast.

[split mortar]

Proof gods need to die

[abstract hedge]

Clentaminate them if they go into your territory, the Heartland is kinda empty of major civilization by now.

[eager bluff]

there just arent because everybody is still recovering from yharim judgement beam so there arent any real empires

[pliant ruin]

Yeah the Heartlands are fucked up

[bronze thistle]

why is DoGs entire lore just "ougghh im so fucking hungry" and sometimes a bit evil

[abstract hedge]

It's not

[pliant ruin]

most of the rest of the world is like

significantly more civilized

[abstract hedge]

He's serving someone else much more powerful.

[pliant ruin]

Heartlands are like that because, as the name implies

the heart of the crusade

[bronze thistle]

man what the FUCK is the heartland

[abstract hedge]

Continent you play on

[pliant ruin]

the continent you play on

yeah

[mighty zenith]

technically its name is whatever your world is called

but heartlands is the "default"

[bronze thistle]

DoG is just the Gman for some other fucked up entity

[split mortar]

The continent we play on
Technically called whatever we call the world name but heartlands is the name we use for it

[abstract hedge]

As in the third strongest being to ever exist, likely to be a hivemind behind almost all distortion stuff, etc.

[split mortar]

Noxus

[abstract hedge]

I haven't played HL but yeah kinda

[mighty zenith]

yea pretty much

[abstract hedge]

yuh

[mighty zenith]

he's less eldritch and mysterious though

like we still dunno what the hell gman's goal is but DoG's is relatively clear

[pliant ruin]

being cool and mysterious is more of a signus thing

[eager bluff]

its canon name is whatever the world name is but heartlands is a lot easier to refer to rather than like me calling the terrarian John Mage McAssman like mine usually is named

[mighty zenith]

john mage...

reference

[bronze thistle]

McAss...

[bronze thistle]

JohnMcfuck

[abstract hedge]

Especially cause the world name is usually something like the garden of ghouls or the pride of evil.

[bronze thistle]

just killed god

[abstract hedge]

Which one

There's a lot of them.

[eager bluff]

roll the dice

[abstract hedge]

Well only like two we fight that aren't dead.

[bronze thistle]

the weakest one because he aint shit

how did Yharim miss the slime god

[pliant ruin]

Signus may be weaker than DoG in terms of actual power but he has far more aura and he's probably going to actually live while DoG gets killed by john terrarian so Signus ontop dog fraudwatch etc

[bronze thistle]

is he stupid?

[eager bluff]

no slime god is just really good at running away

[split mortar]

Slime god is slimy

Escapes

[abstract hedge]

It's a coward and keeps running away.

[bronze thistle]

wonder if he tastes good

[eager bluff]

same with providence

[split mortar]

Gel does so probably

[eager bluff]

dont

[abstract hedge]

Signus is actually smart and doesn't want to die while DoG is stupid and just tries to kill you head-on when you're as strong as it.

[eager bluff]

dog would also rather not die

[bronze thistle]

i wonder what the gods of calamity taste like

[sacred pilot]

Fish.

[dusk laurel]

[bronze thistle]

new god of the sea....

wiat that fucking

fish guy

ahh whats his name

[eager bluff]

tyrian

[sacred pilot]

Tyrian.

[bronze thistle]

that one thank u

[abstract hedge]

Tyrian also might still be alive

[sacred pilot]

What about Shakidou though.

[abstract hedge]

Unlike Otonilou who SOMEONE killed.

[abstract hedge]

dead

[eager bluff]

no im pretty sure hes dead

[sacred pilot]

I mean taste.

[split mortar]

Not confirmed

[bronze thistle]

like if i licked Xeroc

[split mortar]

But like

Scal

[bronze thistle]

would it be otherwordly or just like

[abstract hedge]

It's not confirmed so it's a possibility.

[bronze thistle]

meh

[split mortar]

So most likely

Dead

[abstract hedge]

They'd probably get weirded out and smite you.

[split mortar]

Sunlight

[eager bluff]

a child nuked italy i dont think mr fish is surviving that

[light linden]

thought this was the warframe title screen for a minute

[bronze thistle]

if hes been through the reigns of terraria, my saliva will be a small drop in the ocean of his issues

[eager bluff]

the reign..................................................................

[split mortar]

Of yharim?

[bronze thistle]

rains...

water...

[split mortar]

Reign of yharim?

[dusk laurel]

[eager bluff]

@ cheese pull up we're rotting

[abstract hedge]

Xeroc hasn't been around terraria for like centuries he's been in space or wherever training so Fovos 2 doesn't happen.

[bronze thistle]

yharim had child soldiers 😭

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[abstract hedge]

Yeah like calamitas.

[pliant ruin]

calamtias

[eager bluff]

he had one very strong child soldier

[abstract hedge]

Yeah only one

[pliant ruin]

reign ...

we're having the roy awards on roydev today

[abstract hedge]

Other children aren't strong enough to be soldiers

[pliant ruin]

it will be an experience

[split mortar]

Yeah what did you think calamitas was

[eager bluff]

expedition 33 wins developer of the year

[bronze thistle]

i think its so funny yharim just saw this child with god like powers and thought "aww fuck yeah a weapon of mass destruction" then proceeded to make it a portable nuke

like she aint even augmented or nuthin she in robes and shes still one of the strongest

[split mortar]

She surpasses all gods but xeroc

[eager bluff]

i do not think that is funny i think that is more along the lines of jesus fuck yharim you need to be put in the dirt

[pliant ruin]

she also hates yharims ass (justified)

[bronze thistle]

dragons rolling in their graves 😭

daycare is intense in calamity lore holy FUCK

[split mortar]

Thats a sentence

[eager bluff]

thats not daycare

[abstract hedge]

Too bad like every god who's a good person is dead aside from two (also maybe Tyrian).

[eager bluff]

she went to preschool with the archrapper though

[bronze thistle]

stealing ol calamitas' spade in the ol sandpit and getting chrome domed by a force of nature not seen in action since the 1940's

[abstract hedge]

Don't worry Yharim only had one child soldier.

[pliant ruin]

I mean tbf we could still have some alive out there in the World

but yeah

out of the ones we know

its just silva and xeroc and Maybe tyrian

[abstract hedge]

And one's also stuck in the abyss.

Isn't slime god good or were they more neutral

I forgot

[pliant ruin]

Archrapper permafrost ...

love that guy

slime god is definitely not good

[dusk laurel]

permaheat...

[pliant ruin]

given that the dude jumps you and tries to kill you twice

[bronze thistle]

hes just fat

[pliant ruin]

not attempting any form of communication whatsoever

he is at most neutral

[bronze thistle]

hes really hungry

[abstract hedge]

I was thinking of the paragon of balance thing they've got going but yeah they suck at talking.

[pliant ruin]

and no the fact you killed the blight slimes does not justify his Jumping 😭

[split mortar]

Slime god does not overindulge

[pliant ruin]

first of because they're hostile enemies and thus it was just self defense

seondly, HOW WAS I SUPPOSED OT KNOW

third, dude you can just like tell me ot stop

i promise i'll understand

[bronze thistle]

how would he communicate? like a moldsmal in undertale, just wiggling at u tryna morsecode someshit

[pliant ruin]

and not only does he jump you, he does it TWICE

[pliant ruin]

hes a fully sapient being he can figure something out

if he had time to plan a ambush he has time to communicate

• magic exists

[bronze thistle]

"hey slime god whats up"
wobble
"cool man"

[split mortar]

Literally just like draw it on the ground

[livid sandal]

Fovos is literally galactus isn't he lol. Floating humanoid aprox the same size that wants to eat the soul of the world

[pliant ruin]

deadass

[abstract hedge]

It doesn't want to eat the actual world though

[pliant ruin]

"hey dude please dont kill those slimes theyre kinda important to mea nd id really apprecaite if you didnt"

oh ok

[abstract hedge]

Also the world soul was destroyed before Fovos attacked.

[split mortar]

We dunno for sure what fovos is up to

[bronze thistle]

yeah tbf u do kinda just genocide his race

actually the terrarian isnt far off from yharim

[split mortar]

Those slimes are literally everywhere and also violent

[abstract hedge]

I thought galactus like ate planets, how do they do that if they're that small?

[pliant ruin]

fovos

[bronze thistle]

wouldnt u also be violent if u were starter loot

[livid sandal]

I mean, its a pretty likely theory but yeah

[pliant ruin]

no you really dont

[abstract hedge]

That's exactly why Calamitas fights you is because they fear you'll end up like him.

[pliant ruin]

first of all slime god isn't really an actual slime

[abstract hedge]

world soul got shattered before Fovos attacked so it doesn't really make sense.

[pliant ruin]

he was a human or atleast some other sapient being that got turned into That

[eager bluff]

and also genocide implies a massive chunk at the very least which you really didnt

[livid sandal]

Im not a marvel fan but galactus can just grow really big I think lol

[bronze thistle]

so hes just a deadbeat dad?

[pliant ruin]

secondly you don't "genocide" slimes you literally just Kill Some because they're Attacking You

third that's like

[bronze thistle]

oh i do

[dusk laurel]

sigh

[pliant ruin]

basically a dude in a ant cosplay trying to kill you because you stepped on some ants

[frozen brook]

is Yharim the king of a nation or does he have an army just for kicks?

[pliant ruin]

He is not the king of a nation no but he did control a few major cities

Such as Azafure

[eager bluff]

like i assure you however many slimes you kill it is not going to make a dent even numerically

[pliant ruin]

You literally can't like

objectively

You're only on one continent

[livid sandal]

Its not like the world soul left tho, it was still present and could have attracted fovos because they are his food source

[young socket]

he was an emperor kinda but also not really because he just left the politics stuff to other people so he could focus on the war even more

[pliant ruin]

There's a literal entire Planet out there you can't explore

[abstract hedge]

His crusade spanned over the whole world but he was more of a conqueror so his "empire" immediately collapsed once he went to the Aerie and he didn't really have a nation.

[bronze thistle]

i wanna help the DoG surpass the gods or wtv

man i love DoG

[abstract hedge]

That's making a lot of assumptions.

[split mortar]

Dog would not accept the help

[eager bluff]

he was a figurehead ruler

[young socket]

it was kinda like an alliance

sometimes forced

[bronze thistle]

i do not care i would force his success

[young socket]

sometimes willing

[livid sandal]

I mean yeah its a theory

[split mortar]

Dog would fight ya to death

[abstract hedge]

DoG is like the worst person ever, excluding maybe Yharim and Providence.

[bronze thistle]

i will FORCE FEED HIM god souls if i have too

[eager bluff]

technically hes the guy in charge but he wasnt the guy in charge

[pliant ruin]

also you woudlnt be making dog stronger by doing that

[bronze thistle]

yeah exactly, give all the power to the worst person and just see what he does

[frozen brook]

What did he do?

[pliant ruin]

youd just be giving them to noxus

[split mortar]

Or like gaslight himself into it being like a yharim 2.0 thing

[bronze thistle]

ugh fuck that guy

[livid sandal]

but fovos literally eats the auric souls of the dragons so I don't think its very unreasonable to think he is just tryna eat

[pliant ruin]

DoG?

[frozen brook]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

Becasue i mean he's just a mass murderer has killed thousands of gods and people and shit

And just

generally an asshole

Like he's just kind of a douche

[split mortar]

Dog is just flat out evil
No real redeeming qualities or moral reasoning

[pliant ruin]

^ yeah

[bronze thistle]

so ur saying without noxus he would be sunshine and rainbows

[eager bluff]

hes the biggest asshole in the mod

[young socket]

me when i work for the totally not evil alternate world:

[pliant ruin]

Like atleast Yharim and Providence have some sort of nuance to them (Though they're still irreedemably evil bastards) DoG
he's just a dick

[frozen brook]

Well we also kill people and gods

[pliant ruin]

Probably not no

[eager bluff]

no he is still the biggest asshole in the world

[pliant ruin]

^ yeah

he seems to enjoy being an asshole actually

[eager bluff]

and also without noxus he probably wouldnt even be here

[pliant ruin]

i think without Noxus's (If that's even like, possible? I mean Weaver exists so maybe)

He'd just be na asshole but for his own sake instead

[abstract hedge]

Helped lead Yharim to do horrible things, ate gods regardless of them being good or evil, trapped Brealor and Statis so they wouldn't hurt Yharim, has killed a lot of people, and also is helping Noxus. We don't know much about Noxus but I'm gonna guess they're not a good guy.

[pliant ruin]

So maybe just

worse, actually

[livid sandal]

its more like an anti world, being a storage place for the entropy of the universe as I understand it

[bronze thistle]

ughhhhh why do the gods get to command things like DoG

[pliant ruin]

Because he'd just be doing thing sentirely for himself rather than for Noxus's grand plan at that point

[frozen brook]

I see

[pliant ruin]

they dont

he eats them actually

yk its

its in the name

[abstract hedge]

wdym

[bronze thistle]

isnt noxus a god

[eager bluff]

no

[livid sandal]

no

[abstract hedge]

No

[bronze thistle]

wtf is noxus

[eager bluff]

noxus never ascended

[abstract hedge]

Noxus is a ???

[livid sandal]

something

[pliant ruin]

eldritch horror beyond human comprehension you know all that jazz

[eager bluff]

big distortion fuckhead

[bronze thistle]

fucking loser doesnt even have an auric soul

[dusk laurel]

super dog

[bronze thistle]

big "master plan" yeah ok enjoy the bleachers buddy boy

[pliant ruin]

hes the strongest character in the mod besides xeroc btw

[abstract hedge]

DoG has never sided with a single god, also gods weren't really working together they were in their own alliances and such.

[pliant ruin]

that's alive right now i mean

[split mortar]

Neither do gods

[eager bluff]

and hes still the third strongest individual we know of

[frozen brook]

Gods are just losers who eat dragons

[bronze thistle]

do we know his plan or is he just a god hater

[eager bluff]

there are only 2 things that have ever surpassed noxus and those 2 things are moon lord and xeroc

[pliant ruin]

hes not really a god hater specifically

[split mortar]

Most likely stop a fovos 2 happening

[pliant ruin]

he's just taking in their divine essence for some reason, probably power

yharim's the god hater

[pliant ruin]

I assume they asked about noxus

[livid sandal]

he's kind of like dreadon in that he could likely keep growing in power over time

[bronze thistle]

ok another question

what is fovos

[abstract hedge]

Noxus? No, but it's probably something involving his weird hivemind.

[pliant ruin]

moon lord

[split mortar]

Oh true if noxus then idk end world

[bronze thistle]

oohhhhhh

[livid sandal]

fovos is just a being from space

[split mortar]

Another name for ml

[abstract hedge]

Only one of it's kind (moon lord).

[eager bluff]

if noxus was eating souls it would be for noxus to Become another moon lord

[abstract hedge]

We don't know what it is.

Hopefully it's the only one

Otherwise the world is completely screwed.

We don't know anything about its origins.

[frozen brook]

Is there lore in calamity for people who created the world? Gods are just really powerful and unrecognizable humans

[split mortar]

Calamity does not touch on a creator deity of any kind

[bronze thistle]

or it could go the other way, where someone threats so much about a none percieved threat that they become it, for all we know moonlord can just be a Noxus from the past

[abstract hedge]

no

[frozen brook]

ah

[split mortar]

Theres no creator of the planet or universe

[abstract hedge]

Why the fuck would moon lord be noxus from the past

[livid sandal]

Its just an alien who has above godlike power for reasons unknown

[frozen brook]

Its me actually, I clicked "create world"

[bronze thistle]

NOT LITERALLY

like

[pliant ruin]

[bronze thistle]

someone from the past who had experienced an event like fovos

[pliant ruin]

something something ml something something

[abstract hedge]

Noxus isn't really trying to prevent Fovos 2

That's Xeroc's thing

[bronze thistle]

fuck

i dont know the names man

[split mortar]

Yeah i fucked up there my bad

[pliant ruin]

thank you melon

i mean

siffrin

[split mortar]

Sorry

[abstract hedge]

We don't know Noxus's goal but I doubt it has anything to do with protecting Terraria.

[pliant ruin]

thank you siffrin

[dusk laurel]

melon gun this is your fault

[pliant ruin]

you should read the doc in pins

[light linden]

[pliant ruin]

its very c ool and awesome

and stuff

[eager bluff]

if noxus is eating souls its most likely to become moon lord 2 but worse boogaloo

[pliant ruin]

i worked on it

alongside other people

[bronze thistle]

oh shit lemme peep brb

[split mortar]

So did i and vanillin

[livid sandal]

Noxus is unknown eldridch diety from rainbow hell, fovos is galactus, and xeroc is light god

[pliant ruin]

dude the fucking

[livid sandal]

not diety

[pliant ruin]

i still cant get over

[frozen brook]

rainbow hell

[pliant ruin]

the YOUs in the message

[pliant ruin]

Deity (As in like a general term not as in literally like Calamity Mod Definition God)

™

[frozen brook]

Why did draedon abandon all of his labs?

[pliant ruin]

They ain't really particularly useful for him atm

Not much else to it

[eager bluff]

doesnt need them

[abstract hedge]

Not needed anymore

[livid sandal]

he also probably has many more that we dont see

[split mortar]

Easy to make more and not that useful rn

[pliant ruin]

Yeah he has definitely several just out of reach

obviously he had to be working on the exos somewhere so

[bronze thistle]

im really hungry i could eat an auric soul...

[eager bluff]

its like why we abandon old railroads when they stop becoming useful

[livid sandal]

dreadon is more like an autonomous operation spanning the entire world than a character

[dusk laurel]

hes the internet but smarter and has consciousness

[abstract hedge]

Nah they're a character

They're sapient

[bronze thistle]

cause hes a fat fucking chud like a yharim whos a bum and a deadbeat

[frozen brook]

"... how hungry?"

[eager bluff]

draedon is probably the best character in the mod atm

[livid sandal]

I know he's a character I didn't mean it literaly

[split mortar]

Draedon is like not a deadbeat he very much does a lot

[pliant ruin]

Idk i'd call him the best character but he is like literally straight up the most complete one

Like

[eager bluff]

because evil nefarious rewrite didnt. actually touch him. like at all.

[pliant ruin]

He has objectively just the most amount of content all around

[abstract hedge]

Yharim is a bum and deabeat though

[abstract hedge]

Aside from his origin but yes

[bronze thistle]

is there anyone in the lore whos like, a good person, besides calamitas, she was just scared and forced to go to war

kinda

[pliant ruin]

Like

[bronze thistle]

she was angry

[pliant ruin]

Alot

[eager bluff]

permafrost kinda

[livid sandal]

dreadon isn't a single entity, since he's an ai that can iterate on himself

[pliant ruin]

There's alot of characters who are just good people

[livid sandal]

but he still has a personality so therefore, character

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas used to be a very very very bad person but it was a byproduct of circumstance and manipulation and she got better

[bronze thistle]

i love when theres the "kinda" in there cause it implies they've done something pretty gnarly

[pliant ruin]

Not really that gnarly

[eager bluff]

he joined the crusade of his own volition ofc but hes still not a Bad Guy

[split mortar]

Permafrost prob
Otonilou
Silva
Xeroc prob
Tyrian
Agnus

[pliant ruin]

THey just were on Yharim's side for a while

Which is like morally not good yeah

[bronze thistle]

now she lives in a rainbow house with the princess.s..s.

[pliant ruin]

I usually put her near permafrost in the snow biome

bc

yk

[abstract hedge]

Permafrost, Xeroc, Silva, Otonilou, Tyrian, Agnus Immolatus, Silva.

[frozen brook]

Are witches born with magic powers or do they harness them like mages?

[abstract hedge]

I put her in prison

[pliant ruin]

Witches and Mages aren't like separate concepts in calamity

calamitas is just called a witch because it sounds cool lmao

[eager bluff]

he sunk costed himself into the crusade for a while trying to steer yharim away from being auric hitler (yoohoo automodddddddd)

[split mortar]

Said this to irl calamitas
Wtf

[light linden]

@spare pier got time for a question?

[livid sandal]

there's some weird shit about brinstone magic that I don't understand tho

[frozen brook]

So she isn't born with powers, she learned or harnessed them?

[eager bluff]

then when that didnt work he left and yharim told scal to fucking kill him which she didnt and then she left

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas wasn't born with her powers but she also didn't learn them through studies or something like someone like Permafrost did, she more so seems to have "stolen" them from the Brimstone Elemental in some way

[light linden]

I usually don't make a house for her ngl, she's the last boss I fight typically and as such the end of the run so

[frozen brook]

Ah

[light linden]

no real need

[bronze thistle]

wait so do humans just have an ability to absorb other people shit 😭

[split mortar]

That bein?

[eager bluff]

not really

[split mortar]

Calamitas seems to be the only one

[livid sandal]

coming to think of it she might have sort of absorbed a part of the world soul similar to a god and a dragon

[pliant ruin]

How would you come to that conclusion ;sob

[abstract hedge]

Not in general, she's special. Gods ate souls with a special ritual (and weren't only human).

[eager bluff]

we dont know why or how scal managed to steal brimmys power

[livid sandal]

whats really the difference between an elemental's soul and a dragon's

[eager bluff]

dont think elementals are part of the world soul but i could be wrong on that one

[pliant ruin]

We dunno

They could be but like

Elementals are weird

[abstract hedge]

Except all parts were distributed to dragons and brimmy doesn't have a world soul fragment with her.

[pliant ruin]

We dunno much abt them as a whole

They're probably like

more important than they seem

but we can't really tell

[frozen brook]

Most were human, right? Yharim talked about a post-draconic era where dragons were hunted by humans who wanted to become gods

[livid sandal]

yes

[abstract hedge]

All except Otonilou and Tyrian who were Ilmeran.

[pliant ruin]

THey needed to be sapient at the very least so Humans, Goblins, Merfolk, etc are all in the boat

[abstract hedge]

Also maybe some we don't know of

[split mortar]

Elementals are like actually just immortal
They are manifestations of the physical worlds elements while world soul shards are the worlds soul????

[pliant ruin]

Most were probably humansa but other species c ould become gods too

such as Silva, who's a Elemental who became a god

or Otonilou/Tyrian, who are Fish People who became ogds

[eager bluff]

at most elementals are pure shards of the world soul that bonded to concepts rather than other souls and had split off from the world soul a very long time before dragons

[livid sandal]

but like, aren't the world soul shards manifestations of the world's elements 😭

[split mortar]

🤷 we dunno

[abstract hedge]

Like the Lizhahyrd god might've been a Lizhahyrd.

[abstract hedge]

We don't really know what the world soul was.

[frozen brook]

Do goblins belong to an empire or do they just group up and attack you for fun

[livid sandal]

yeah I suppose so

[abstract hedge]

Goblins are from a different continent

The goblin army is cause a lot have had to become mercenaries

[tropic oak]

the goblins are fake

[eager bluff]

probably not an empire but most likely some form of rudimentary government at least

[pliant ruin]

yeah apparently their society just got kinda fucked up by the crusade in some way

[visual kiln]

hello chat

[pliant ruin]

so they had to resort to mercenary work and taht sort of thing

[abstract hedge]

Like literally because of financial issues a ton are mercenaries.

[pliant ruin]

hi azzy

[abstract hedge]

They're from Telma which is also where Permafrost is from.

[visual kiln]

what is ur opinion on dragons stealing the world from elementals like how gods stole the world from dragons

[livid sandal]

I was just touching on this

Im just confused

[visual kiln]

i subscribe to the triangle idea

[young socket]

we should teach the new lorers of the (non existant) dragonbane lore

[pliant ruin]

elementals r so weirddd theyre so weirdddddddddddddddd

[abstract hedge]

Doesn't really make sense with current world soul info, since there's no connection to elementals as far as we know.

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah

it's called

[split mortar]

Elementals seem less miffed about it then dragons to gods

[pliant ruin]

speculation

There's nothing saying they can't be connected

There's just nothing saying they are

[visual kiln]

elementals seem to be fragmented too

[pliant ruin]

THem being connected isn't contradicting anything

[visual kiln]

see cloudy and sandy

[eager bluff]

in some cases

[livid sandal]

what if elementals literally are parts of the world soul

[visual kiln]

wouldnt be surprised if anahita and brimmy were also fragmented

[pliant ruin]

All of the elementals seem to be fragmented to some extent

[split mortar]

Mentions two different elementals instead of sandy and granite

[pliant ruin]

Anahita literally is

[spare pier]

What?

[pliant ruin]

Ice Elementals exist

[dusk laurel]

brimmy can split the brimlings off of her too

[pliant ruin]

those are water elementals

and yeah the brimlings

[split mortar]

That would mean someone could absorb a elemental to be a auric being no…

[pliant ruin]

feed us were athe brimlings

[visual kiln]

oh true

[frozen brook]

@spare pier kanaya fan

[mighty zenith]

p

[eager bluff]

yeah

[livid sandal]

good fucking point lol

[visual kiln]

anyways my interpretation of things is basically greek mythology

[mighty zenith]

OMG LIKE

[frozen brook]

what why did you just change your name to vriska

[visual kiln]

can i tell u my interpretation

[mighty zenith]

LIKE HA

HADES 2

[eager bluff]

thats why my theory is that the elementals are already bonded but not to souls

[visual kiln]

plick

[eager bluff]

they bonded to specific concepts

[visual kiln]

My ideas

My fanfiction

[eager bluff]

ontologic meshing of those shards of the world soul with those concepts

[spare pier]

Wrong one

[pliant ruin]

its a public chat u can just say them !!!

smhh

[visual kiln]

meow

[livid sandal]

I mean it's not the best theory but they potentially could still be the world soul, just fragment's so small that they dont exude any auric properties

[frozen brook]

You just changed your name to vriska like just now?

[spare pier]

Yeah guess why

[livid sandal]

and scal kinda did absorb one

[frozen brook]

why?

[eager bluff]

they used to be world soul shards, but they have since become metaphysically intertwined with those concepts

new headmate time

[pliant ruin]

(I don't think most people would be able to know why)

(Lmao)

[pliant ruin]

Scal is a auric dragon

⁉️ ⁉️

[visual kiln]

ok basically i think the world soul is uranus from greek and the elementals r the titans: world soul creates elementals n then they betray it n kill it. so then years later its like “hey lizards wanna have cool powers” and gives fragments of itself to the dragons, kinda like how yharon was like “hey yham wanna kill all the gods”

[frozen brook]

Okay

[dusk laurel]

cycle of violence

[visual kiln]

world soul yharon parallels bc yharon/zeratros were the yharims to the world soul’s yharon

imo

[pliant ruin]

y did the elementals do that

thats fucked up dude

[visual kiln]

idk why did the titans kill their dad

[pliant ruin]

uranus was kinda evil

[visual kiln]

valid

[pliant ruin]

like he was basically a tyrant

[woeful karma]

issue: flame dragon

[visual kiln]

maybe the world soul sucked

[spare pier]

So that means the World Soul is also evil

[livid sandal]

again not the best theory, but I can't really see any reason that goes explicitly against it.

[eager bluff]

and also gaea told them to

[pliant ruin]

gthe idea of the world soul sucking is kinda silly to me

[spare pier]

Gaea?

Fucking

Gaea?

[visual kiln]

or maybe like

[livid sandal]

also wouldn't she technically be a god in that case since she's a human

[pliant ruin]

I wasn't arguing against it

Just making a funny comment

[eager bluff]

yes literally she is the one that gave kronos his scythe

[visual kiln]

noxus appeared and fucked things up and world soul was too busy eeping and hoarding its power n stuff so elementals were like ok we kill

[spare pier]

I know

[visual kiln]

that would be funny

[spare pier]

I'm saying your spelling is dum8 and stupid

[woeful karma]

this would imply that the world soul also created hecatonchieres and cyclopes equivalents

[visual kiln]

oh true

[spare pier]

Spell it Gaia like a normal person

[visual kiln]

the sun is the remains of the world soul’s mind

[livid sandal]

do you mean fovos here

[eager bluff]

In Greek mythology, Gaia (/ˈɡeɪ.ə, ˈɡaɪ.ə/;[2] Ancient Greek: Γαῖα, romanized: Gaîa, a poetic form of Γῆ (Gê), meaning 'land' or 'earth'),[3] also spelled Gaea

[visual kiln]

no

moon lord appeared n fucked up the dragons

[livid sandal]

I kind of see the vision now actually

[visual kiln]

im saying noxus or something appeared n fucked up the world soul

[spare pier]

You just sent an explanation as to why Gaia is the 8etter spelling

Thanks

[eager bluff]

also spelled Gaea

[pliant ruin]

It's a interesting theory and i do kinda believe in the idea the elementals are t ie to the world soul to some extent but it is important to acnowledge that

[icy veldt]

Calamitas and Permafrost both get put in separate prisons for their actions during Yharim's Crusade

[light linden]

what's your favorite elemental?

[pliant ruin]

this works in greek mythology because of the story surrounding it

[spare pier]

Silva

[pliant ruin]

for this to work in calamity

[visual kiln]

i think it’d kinda work in cal

[pliant ruin]

either the world soul was evil or the elementals decided ot be a little evil to gain power and such

[visual kiln]

bc cycles n stuff

[livid sandal]

holy shit that's actually a really cool theory now that I think about it, noxus being the thing that shattered the soul in the first place

[pliant ruin]

And i can't lie the former is just kinda goofy, t he latter could maybe owrk though

[icy veldt]

Draedon on the other hand would be difficult to imprison, plus he's the most potentially useful

[pliant ruin]

Specially if some Elementals like Silva would later come to regret their actions

[visual kiln]

it works too

[spare pier]

Hey guys it's me the World Soul

[visual kiln]

bc like

Easy motive

[spare pier]

I'm evil and fucked up

[eager bluff]

from the bible

[visual kiln]

all elementals wanna expand their domain

[livid sandal]

Shatter them

now

[visual kiln]

if the world soul acted like a balancing mechanism

[spare pier]

I'm so full of World Stuff

[pliant ruin]

Yeah i can see the elementals banding together to do that

[icy veldt]

I think it was the dragons who shattered it

[visual kiln]

it’d be in the way of all of them

so if

wait

[spare pier]

Explodes

[visual kiln]

if the dragons were given fragments directly by the world soul then

[split mortar]

Siffrin

[pliant ruin]

I don't think that's explicitly stated?

It's stated they were given world soul shards

[livid sandal]

is this actually implied or is it just ur theory

[visual kiln]

its part of my theory

[pliant ruin]

but not by the world soul

[visual kiln]

My idea

Hmph

[eager bluff]

just avitus theory

[spare pier]

Is it said they were given?

[pliant ruin]

oh ok

[visual kiln]

bites

[pliant ruin]

I forgot the exact wording

[visual kiln]

My idea is like

[bronze thistle]

holy shit the terminus is lore relevant

[split mortar]

Exploding azathoth for saying ideas and headcanons because im evil

[pliant ruin]

It's in yharon/old dukes lore forgot which

[eager bluff]

because avitus is incapable of seeing nuance in calamitys story so they will say dragons are comically evil and are the reason everything sucks

[split mortar]

Why wouldnt it be 😭?

[spare pier]

Bestiary or Lore Item?

[icy veldt]

My theory, but it's supported by the fact that the Auric dragons benefited the most from the world soul being shattered

[pliant ruin]

lore item p sure

[visual kiln]

basically yharon and zeratros are to the world soul what yharim is to yharon

[spare pier]

Ok

Awesome then

[visual kiln]

that is

Its champions in the defeat of the elementals

[pliant ruin]

Also that implies that like

[bronze thistle]

i dont know, i just never expected it to the thing required to not suck when absorbing an auric soul

[pliant ruin]

the dragons went on a mission to kill the elementals

[icy veldt]

Again, I'm not "incapable of seeing" nuance, I choose to disagree with it

[visual kiln]

mhm

[pliant ruin]

Which idk how i feela bt that one and it feels very counterintuitive

I think i like this theory better if you just like

dont have that part

[visual kiln]

Kinda also implies thst the thing tje dragons were apparently guarding the world from were the elementals

[livid sandal]

What if noxus is actually much more powerful than xeroc when at full strength but has been healing/recharging in the distortion since breaking the world soul. That would explain the enigmatic nature behind it, wanting not to be found.

[pliant ruin]

Like the elementals are the reaosn the world soul shattered

But not the part where dragons hunted down elementals

[visual kiln]

i can imagine that elementals wouldnt be very well liked tbh

with how they manage the world

[pliant ruin]

Unless the Elementals were like actively being a major threat and fucking shit up which i can see for some of them kinda but not all

[visual kiln]

in the world soul’s absence

[pliant ruin]

Also

Hm

[visual kiln]

if their primary goal is expansing their domain theyre in constant conflict with each other and the world is probablt very unstable and unliveable bc of that

[abstract hedge]

Not wanting to be found could also be because it's goal would get messed up if people knew about it, especially cause of Xeroc.

[spare pier]

Ok I found what Cheese was mentioning

[eager bluff]

elementals shattering feels more like something that would happen naturally as associations with their respective element became more separated
like specifically seeing ice elemental and anahita, because we see ice and water as 2 different things, so there would be 2 different elementals

[spare pier]

"One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Dragons who were born after all the auric souls had been gifted to their kind were forced to make do without, forever outside of the cycle of rebirth. Yet in a twist of fate, the Auric Dragons' age would end, and those rejected would be the survivors in this new world."

[pliant ruin]

Feels kind of abstract

I think ice elementals are just water elementals that are made of Ice because they showed up in a cold place to be honest

[pliant ruin]

it was gifted

ayup

[visual kiln]

plicky

if this is the case

then like

[livid sandal]

thats definitely the simpler, more likely theory. I was just suggesting a theory I thought was interesting

[eager bluff]

i view elementals as a lot more of an abstract thing because of how they're manifestations of concepts

[visual kiln]

any sentient beings alive have a motive to steal the world from the elementals

along with this the world soul could be just pissed off that its children killed it

[icy veldt]

That kinda reminds me of a conceptual version of how, during the very early universe, the four fundamental forces split apart due to the decrease in temperature from "really really fucking hot" to "really fucking hot". First gravity, then the strong nuclear force, then electromagnetism and the weak nuclear force

[visual kiln]

so

motive for the world soul fragments to end up in the dragons’ hands

for the world soul its revenge (its kinda like yharon tbh)

for the dragons its survival

bc no one can live very long in a world where the very elements of it war with each other constantly

[icy veldt]

Like Xeroc with the Primordial Light 👀

[visual kiln]

and no one can survive at all if even worse one of the elementals won somehow

[pliant ruin]

the thing is that silva seems like

relatively normal

[visual kiln]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

which tbf you could argue is because of just the nature of her domain being life

but i feel like even life could be

[visual kiln]

from our perspective shes notmal bc shes nature

[pliant ruin]

like

"overwhelming" in certain ways

[visual kiln]

shes life

[eager bluff]

rampant growth

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[visual kiln]

she wants life to exist

[pliant ruin]

rampant growth

but silva is seemingly

[livid sandal]

planty mush

[pliant ruin]

not like that

[split mortar]

Super cancer

[icy veldt]

Nurgle

[pliant ruin]

yeah silva could be like

really fucking evil

if she wanted to

[livid sandal]

thats the crimson

[pliant ruin]

but she isnt

[visual kiln]

character growth

[icy veldt]

Nothing dies, it just continues to exist and be alive

[spare pier]

Silva is more rational than the others so there's that

[split mortar]

No the crimson is god essence

[eager bluff]

was more thinking tyrannids

[livid sandal]

still kinda super cancer

[pliant ruin]

Silva was thrown in the abyss at some point

like

before yharim

[split mortar]

Also true silva is sapient

[pliant ruin]

the idea she actually like

went through actual character development

and became A Good Person

after she was like

[visual kiln]

silva is what happens when an elemental’s element can talk to it

[pliant ruin]

kind of just as bad as the others in the past

is kind ofc ool

[visual kiln]

mhm

my fanfiction mogs

YAYYY

[icy veldt]

Not exactly, since Tyranids consume all other life to make more Tyranids. Nurgle is (simplifying here) about all life, and his aesthetic is a bit like Silva's but more diseased and grotesque

[visual kiln]

mwehehehe

[pliant ruin]

it explains wht silva got thrown in thea byss a really long time ago too

ofc people would have a reaosn to do that if she was fucking things up

[visual kiln]

i like the idea of specifically yharon being the world soul’s primary champion in defeating the elementals

bc then like

[icy veldt]

Silva makes a nice comfy vacation home for herself in the Abyss, then Yharim throws her back into it 😔

[pliant ruin]

The Dragons protecting the world makes sense if their entire existence was basically entrusted by the world soul

[visual kiln]

yeah

[visual kiln]

yharon/yharim world soul/yharon parallels

[pliant ruin]

Like very specifically they seemed to be the guaridans of the world over specifically say, humanity or society
That was part of it of course, but the primary directive as protecting the world

[visual kiln]

the elementals r to the world soul what the gods are to the dragons

[pliant ruin]

Also

Raelvanna, John Death and Yharon came before Zeratros

[visual kiln]

mhm

[spare pier]

John Death

Incredi8le

[pliant ruin]

I wonder if Zeratros's ascencion into.. aurichood? Was basically just like

[dusk laurel]

john death 💔

[pliant ruin]

A result of the dragons noticing

[dusk laurel]

we need to give him a name

[eager bluff]

getting project stigma vibes from this honestly

[pliant ruin]

Dude we're like super unorganized and kinda fumbling the whole "saving the world" thing

[icy veldt]

Morty

[pliant ruin]

And then Zeratros locks the fuck in and ascends and is like

Ok i'm getting this shit together

[visual kiln]

yharon’s primary purpose i imagine would be to like

[split mortar]

Wasnt zeratros like fourth auric

[dusk laurel]

we dunno

[visual kiln]

make sure the dragons dont lose

make the dragons as immortal as the elementals

[dusk laurel]

we only know that it was life, death, rebirth, and then everyone else in that order for becoming auric dragons

[visual kiln]

or at least enough so thst they can win

[eager bluff]

"your primary objective is to keep [x] intact. you can do anything within that perogatory"
in the case of project stigma it was uh. send the entire world into another dimension where everything stagnates and nothing happens and take a bunch of shit from that dimension and replace the world with it

[spare pier]

This shit is why we say nothing is canon until getting ingame btw

Because this is no longer what happened

[dusk laurel]

amazing

[pliant ruin]

time to edit the doc again

into the mines with you

[split mortar]

Amazing

[visual kiln]

leaks u

[spare pier]

I might as well be honest that the thing which you knew has been changed

[visual kiln]

meow

[split mortar]

Denied

[spare pier]

I'm not saying the new version 8ut it would 8e shitty to see you theorizing over something that is just not true anymore

[visual kiln]

anyways

[dusk laurel]

i c

[visual kiln]

imo

[split mortar]

I see

[visual kiln]

after the age of gods is over is the age of man imo

championed by like draedon and perma showing the heights that magic and technology can ascend to

[split mortar]

It was the age of calamity because fucking hell yharim why so much destruction

[visual kiln]

and yharim showing the heights an individual human could potentially reach

who will overthrow humanity?

[spare pier]

Me

[visual kiln]

oh

eats u

nom

[spare pier]

No

[visual kiln]

anyways whats ur opinion on azzy fanfiction

[icy veldt]

More like the depths that people can sink to

[pliant ruin]

i think yharim's existence wouldn't be exactly inspiring ofr most people

[dusk laurel]

it works but we have to put you in the pressure cooker first

[pliant ruin]

to some it certainly would be

but for most it'd be kinda the opposite

[visual kiln]

nope

i flee

plick

[pliant ruin]

Personally i kind of dislike the insertion of the indomitable human spirit narrative as the next era basically because its kinda missing the point of calamity's storyline i feel

otherwise

theory good

thubmy

[visual kiln]

wdym

[icy veldt]

History being cyclical?

[split mortar]

Indomitable dragon god human spirit
Surly will go well this time

[pliant ruin]

It's kind of saying basically "Hey, the dragon and gods era was bad and this new human age is the new, good one!" even if that wasnt the intent and it feels like its overgloriying people like Yharim and Draedon who are kind of horrible just because they were able to do some insane stuff
Also Gods themselves already were probably mostly humans

[pliant ruin]

this basically it's cylcical

[visual kiln]

nope

thats not what im saying

[pliant ruin]

Yeah even if its not the intent

It's what it comes off as basically

[visual kiln]

im saying that after the age of gods is done the sentient races of the world will inherit it

[pliant ruin]

Which is why idk i never have vibed with the idea bc ive seen it before

[pliant ruin]

I mean tru yeah

[visual kiln]

there isnt rlly any other alternatives tho

[pliant ruin]

Objectively after the gods are mostly gone its just

whats gonna happen

[light linden]

thing I wonder though

[split mortar]

But thats what gods were no?
Those sentient races overthrowing the dragons

[visual kiln]

Unless ur implying the remaining gods somehow regain control of the world in which case the age of gods just continues

[pliant ruin]

Yeah it was basically

[visual kiln]

which is even worse for the narrative imo

[light linden]

do gods being gone mean that the average power level of things from the planet fell dramatically?

[icy veldt]

I wipe out everything that's left

[light linden]

if that makes sense?

[pliant ruin]

I just kinda dislike when people speak of it as if reaching this new era was like a big awesome climax to the story when in reality it dosen't really work as anything more than just like a tiny bit of future worldbuildign

Not saying thats what u did btw meow

[visual kiln]

i feel like gods are qualitatively different from normal people

[young socket]

technically yea but like the average person isnt like the average power level of things on the planet,,,

[split mortar]

And gods themselves are not united enough that to me it feels odd to say era of gods will give way to the sentient races when there would be times that was the gods story overthrowing the dragon idk

[light linden]

ok yeah I didn't say that right

[spare pier]

Gods aren't different from just kings

[pliant ruin]

Tbh the definition of "noraml" person is kinda muddy like
Yharim is "normal" but hes also stronger than every god ever besides xeroc

[split mortar]

They live longer but still were a sentient person overthrowing a dragon

[pliant ruin]

Like yeah sure gods have like powers

[icy veldt]

Average as in mean, technically yes(?) Average as in median, not really

[pliant ruin]

but other beings can also get powerful through other ways

[spare pier]

8y all means their era was already "humanity's" era 8ecause they are just strong people

[pliant ruin]

To me becoming a god is just one of many ways one can become powerful

[light linden]

with gods and auric dragons largely being gone does that mean there're likely going to be less strong things from the planet?

[split mortar]

Humans with right technique can live centuries look at permafrost

[icy veldt]

Wait... so Yharim wasn't Auric Hitler, he was Auric Robespierre! 👀

[spare pier]

Nothing is going to change with the way the world works with them out of the picture

There will just 8e other people to take up the spot they left

[visual kiln]

then by rhat logic the idea of cycles shouldnt make sense bc presumably dragons too were also just normal people before getting auric souls

[spare pier]

No they were dragons

That's like

A very 8ig difference

[split mortar]

Also gods dont rebirth

[visual kiln]

dragons r close enough to normal people

[spare pier]

No

They

They really aren't

[icy veldt]

I think the intention is that "person" = sapient being, making "human" a subset and not a synonym

[light linden]

been wondering

[visual kiln]

big sentient lizard woth no domain is closer to small ape with no domain than they are lizard with domain imo

[spare pier]

Imagine if ants gained sentience right now

[dusk laurel]

dragons only share like the intelligence thats it

[visual kiln]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

I think Dragons are far more inherently powerful than a regular human no

[spare pier]

That's the relationship dragons had with humans

[icy veldt]

They're already sentient, just not sapient

[light linden]

if all the remains of every god was gathered in one place

[dusk laurel]

evrything else about dragons are different

[spare pier]

You get what I mean

[light linden]

would that create something akin to a new world soul?

[split mortar]

You would probably get toxic sludge hell version of one

[eager bluff]

no you have just created super crimson

[spare pier]

Dragons were the o8jectively more powerful race and thus held control over the entire fucking planet

[visual kiln]

would dragons be ants to elementals

[pliant ruin]

‼️ hypercancer biome

[spare pier]

Gods aren't a race

It's like if some of those ants got really fucking 8uff

[pliant ruin]

ants got a gun

[split mortar]

I mean
Ice elemental is not doing shit to any dragon

[pliant ruin]

and shot you

[eager bluff]

gods are a collection of individuals defined by a certain action taken at some point in their life

[icy veldt]

Not exactly, since the Hallow is the remnants of good gods. Mixing every god's remains together, good or evil, would result in something weird

[pliant ruin]

‼️ hypercancer biome

[spare pier]

Unironically this

Anyways you get what I mean

Gods in the grand scheme of things are no different than kings

The only difference is that they live for really fucking long

[light linden]

idt it'd be a crimson like biome

[dusk laurel]

its like if kings didnt age and also theyre really fucking strong compared to the average person

[noble falcon]

“Does Xeroc love us?”
“That’s a good question. Xeroc is all knowing as well as all powerful, he’d never do something if it wouldn’t help the people of Terraria.”
“ADD CORRUPTION TO DESERT TOWN”

[eager bluff]

like how theres not a specific race of felons

[light linden]

I feel like it'd be something closer to overstimulation

[pliant ruin]

Yknow

With that in mind it makes Yharim seem like even MORE of a dickbag

[spare pier]

Yeah but then there are also a trillion strong people too

[light linden]

basically every type of magic would get shoved into one place

[visual kiln]

oh so did like

[icy veldt]

Might separate itself out over time, like a solute gradually settling to the bottom of a solution, under the solvent

[visual kiln]

did ppl kill gods even before yharim

[spare pier]

Yeah?

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah inevitably

[eager bluff]

yeah

[visual kiln]

icicic

[pliant ruin]

Atleast once it would've happened

[eager bluff]

there would be insurrections gods would be killed in wars

[split mortar]

Not on the same scale but yeah some gods inevitably died

[eager bluff]

yharim is just The Guy Who Kills Gods

[woeful karma]

the age of the common person doesnt start with yharim
it starts with the terrarian
its not about Oh This Specific Group Is In Power Now its about how from this point on the world will be ruled by people who all have the exact same potential as each other

[pliant ruin]

yes please take away the power from the people that fought like hell to earn it for the sake of taking revenge for those who were already privileged with power by birth in the past yesss

Of course some gods absolutely fucking deserved it and some dragons really didn't either but like, overall

[visual kiln]

YES exactly

[pliant ruin]

But that's the thing

gods

also have the same potential

[light linden]

I still wonder if yharim would prefer a gun or a bow

[pliant ruin]

they weren't born like this

they earned their power

it'sl ike

literally not different from you getting materials ot make Strong Weapon

[eager bluff]

a gun specifically because fix bayonet and charge

[woeful karma]

besides all the differences of course

[pliant ruin]

Unless you're Silva i guess she was kinda born powerful already

[visual kiln]

terraria’s gameplay emphasizes this too bc of how npcs work n stuff

[pliant ruin]

I mean i don't see how it's different on a fundamental level

[spare pier]

The differences:

• You live for a long ass time

[visual kiln]

n the fact that its a sandbox

[eager bluff]

• you are just that guy

[split mortar]

Whatever domains do

[visual kiln]

the domains in question!?????

[pliant ruin]

I don't get how domains factor in o nthis

[woeful karma]

the differences:
you need to kill people to get it
it sticks with you basically forever as inherent power
theres an extremely limited supply that cannot be distributed en masse

[visual kiln]

gods are not just random people who live rlly long

[pliant ruin]

They are just one of many ways you can become more powerful, again

[visual kiln]

yeah

[spare pier]

Calamitas being stronger than Providence in her own Domain

[pliant ruin]

How is using a divine domain in combat different from

Using a weapon or using amgic

[visual kiln]

I dont think calamitas is normal tho

[split mortar]

Otonilou (or atleast something related to em(seaprisms) breaks thermodynamics
Id consider that p important

[pliant ruin]

Then what is

[visual kiln]

is how she got her power public

[pliant ruin]

a normal person

[light linden]

can your domain be turned into a weapon?

[pliant ruin]

ok so gods aren't normal

calamitas isn't noraml

[visual kiln]

i dont think calamitas is normal

[pliant ruin]

why is the terrarian normal

what makes the terrarian different

[visual kiln]

???

[light linden]

calamitas isn't even a traditional human iirc

[pliant ruin]

She is just a human biologically

[dusk laurel]

azafurians are still human

[split mortar]

Theorised she absorbed brimmys power somehow

[visual kiln]

The terrarian has no inherent powers everything is built and created

[dusk laurel]

they just look different

[spare pier]

8y that point your classification of a normal person just doesn't make sense I'm gonna 8e real

[dusk laurel]

and live in a different place

[pliant ruin]

Niether

do calamitas

[icy veldt]

Kill a dragon, specifically, but that's still not inherently a bad thing

[pliant ruin]

or gods

[light linden]

she's azafurian which have horns and different colors

[spare pier]

Neither does Gods

Nor Calamitas

[eager bluff]

calamitas is azafurian which is like saying "oh yeah they arent traditionally human because they come from new zealand"

[visual kiln]

i feel like ur ignoring what im saying