lore-discussion

[craggy sparrow]

are you pre hardmode

[pulsar ocean]

what if you bought auric tier melongun

[split mortar]

Id be playing in stars and time rn anyways

[pulsar ocean]

whats that

[split mortar]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1677310/In_Stars_And_Time/
here the steam game page

Oh right no embeds bruh

[pulsar ocean]

its fine i already clicked on it u can have my ip

[craggy sparrow]

It looks like if i play this ill have another life changing moment and emotional rollercoaster

Ill put it on cart

[pulsar ocean]

is this omori 2

[split mortar]

Its the first game ive played thats made me cry if that tells you anything

[craggy sparrow]

Ill stick around with hype moments and aura for a bit before playing this (calamity)

[soft flame]

i see

[fleet wedge]

Honestly from the looks it seems more similar to Oneshot

[long scaffold]

Does Yharim have a canon design (more than just the description "altered Auric Tesla armor?")

[pliant ruin]

He does

There's concept art in pins, the imgur link

(Admittedly it is a p outdated imgur link since its missing alot of newer concept art... but he's there!)

[split mortar]

Dis the most recent iirc

[pliant ruin]

yep

[noble falcon]

Turns out all Draedon did was use science to put warding on normal auric tesla armor
He’s unstoppable

[strong notch]

will Yharim sink if i put him in the ocean?

[limpid saddle]

god shes so short 🥀

[dusk laurel]

you will never see the pearly gates of 11 feet yharim

[spring fog]

how did yharim become like 9 feet tall is there a lore reason for this

[strong notch]

probably only his armor and he is like a tiny dude inside

[limpid saddle]

he was raised as a candidate for godhood by Dogma's religious order so presumably his drinking water was laced with fent & growth enhancing stimulants & he's naturally like 7'3

[pliant ruin]

hes big

[mighty zenith]

yharim is lebron

[tropic oak]

Large

[noble falcon]

Nah, Roid Rage Yharim

Bros on them draconic soul stims

[pulsar ocean]

yharim is shaq

[noble falcon]

Yharim is a blue slime

[fleet wedge]

Yharim is a worm

And Deerclops is a bat

[cosmic minnow]

Whats the lore reason for Calamitas to be short

[dusk laurel]

probably an azafurian thing

[mighty zenith]

short people exist

[dusk laurel]

humans in different environments tend to develop traits depending on what is in it or would be beneficial

[pliant ruin]

shes stipid

[dusk laurel]

thanks for this meaningful incite

[granite junco]

anyone know a good in depth video that is the most accurate to the lore

[young socket]

there isnt one

[noble falcon]

The brimstone elemental is like a trickster genie
It gave her amazing magic power in exchange for her never being able to ride yharim’s badass godslayer roller coaster

[granite junco]

unfinished story?

[dusk laurel]

theres not really any good indepth lore videos, but there is a community made document explaining the lore that we know of

the main framework of the story isnt unfinished but as a whole the lore is very incomplete

[granite junco]

no wonderr

i searched up calamity lore vids expecting some fnaf lore vid length type videos

just to find mere 40 minute vids

[pliant ruin]

Yeah pretty unfinished story + Youtube videos have a notable problem where they all take everything ingame at complete face value

It's like clear alot of them really did not put much if any effort into actually thinking about hte lore and basically are just

retelling you what the game already does

[young socket]

this, basically

[pliant ruin]

yeah taht's the entire lore condensed in a single image

[granite junco]

theyre probably too scared to fill in the gaps themselves because theyll get flamed for their takes on the story

[pliant ruin]

Valid to some extent but honestly there's ways to frame it well

[granite junco]

but like not every fnaf lore vid is the same so i dont see an issue with that

[pliant ruin]

Just make it clear that it is Your interpretation

And if anything

Videos that are like that tend to be far more well respected than those that just take things at complete face value because atleast you can tell they put effort in analysing stuff

I've seen a video talking ab out like potential ecology of calamity bosses and, yeah, they got some things wrong, but msot of that was thanks due to lack of info ingame

The actual interpretations were really cool and they put actual effort into thinking about this stuff

It was a good video

[granite junco]

generalzatguy? thats the one i wanna watch

[long bloom]

if you want to learn the lore, the first google doc in the pins was made by a ton of autistic nerds here and fact checked by the writers

[granite junco]

nah i just wanted a video to watch while eating 😪

[pliant ruin]

https://youtu.be/qjQet8wd9YE

This one

[long bloom]

unfortunately almost all calamity youtubers are terminally stupid

[pulsar ocean]

Would yharon get spawn killed if you destroyed the aerie

[long bloom]

i think his soul would just stay in terraria if there wasn't an aerie to teleport to

[granite junco]

dang yk its good when the writer comments

[dusk laurel]

how is anyone supposed to know the scourges are reptilian other than the one-off comments about them being serpents and the vertebrae on ds' gore 😢

[pulsar ocean]

Which one

[long bloom]

stip

[pliant ruin]

yeah their ingame design dont look reptilian at all

they just look like worms

lizard scoog ...

[pulsar ocean]

Aquatic scourge is a reptile?

[dusk laurel]

save me lizard scoog...

[granite junco]

cei

[pulsar ocean]

Who do I trust

[pliant ruin]

i mean desert scourge is a lizar d

aquatic scourge is related to desert scourge

seems pretty self explanatory

[granite junco]

what are the elementals

this video just says "idk the game doesnt rly say much"

[long bloom]

they're the physical manifestations of the elements

[pulsar ocean]

Were old duke and fihron ever related at some point or fab was too lazy to make an original design

[pliant ruin]

Physical manifestations of the 5 elements of Fire, Earth, Water, Air and Nature
Despite there being these 5 overarching manifestations they all have several different forms they can manifest as that can be less or more concentrated (Thus weaker or stronger) and be made of different exact materials

Per example

[granite junco]

oh okay so like any other fictional explanation of an elemental

[pliant ruin]

Anahita and Ice Elementals are both a form of Water Elemental

[long bloom]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

Granite and Sand Elementals are both a form of the earth elemental

[long bloom]

note that an elemental can only truly die if you completely eradicate their element from terraria

ex. anahita will come back until you get rid of all water

[pulsar ocean]

Where’s the terraria elemental

[pliant ruin]

Yeah they are infinitely respawning basically
You can kill their physical form but they always come back fnaf 3 william afton springtrap

[granite junco]

i meant like what brought them into existence tho

[long bloom]

this is why silva is still alive after being diced and tossed in the abyss

[long bloom]

we dunno

[granite junco]

oh so thats the fill inthe gap

[long bloom]

yeah

most stuff before azafure's founding is

[pliant ruin]

For all we know they could just be the world soul being funky or some shit

[spring fog]

thought they just existed for no reason

[pliant ruin]

i mean the world soul exists the world is literally Alive so

They could just be a living manifestation of the world because

yk

the world is alive

their existence is kinda weird rn but yeah

[pulsar ocean]

Does mars have their own elementals

[long bloom]

unknown

[granite junco]

yea like us, were we created for a reason or exist for no reason but ig even calamity lore cant explain the creation

[pulsar ocean]

Does every planet have a world soul

[pliant ruin]

lore truth nuke mars used to have its own world soul but then noxus ate it and thats why the martians need a new home their world is fucking dead (i just made this up)

[long bloom]

the terrarian's lore is up to YOU!!!!!!!!!!

that's YOUR oc!!

[pulsar ocean]

But our world soul combusted too

[pliant ruin]

well our shattered specifically so it's like kinda still alive in a way just in alot of pieces i think

like the world souls hards still exist

they just in the gods now

[granite junco]

i meant irl like every story needs a reason to exist even us as a person so why are humans a thing were we created or just coincidence type shit

[pliant ruin]

i Guess

[granite junco]

but when it comes to calamity those parts arent explained ig

[pulsar ocean]

But most kinda died

[pliant ruin]

they just in the uhhhh essence now I Guess :idk:

its fucked up

[pliant ruin]

Not everything ina story needs to be explained

Things can just kinda be a way sometimes

It leaves room for speculation and also overexplanation can end up just making your storing worse in some cases

[pulsar ocean]

how hungry is noxus

[pliant ruin]

not as hungry as gloomborf

but hes up there

[long bloom]

the other day triangle said something about the world soul shards from dead gods returning to the earth and fucking things up slowly??

[pulsar ocean]

Would he eat a horse

[pliant ruin]

of course its triangle

🔺

[pliant ruin]

he would

[dusk laurel]

amazing

[pulsar ocean]

umazing

[dusk laurel]

i know i read that when they were said but im only just processing it

he said like 10 of his ideas (not actual concrete plans) in the span of like 30 minutes and my brain melted away

[long bloom]

trur

[pulsar ocean]

Would purified gel taste good

[hybrid barn]

And sadly, I missed all of them 😔

I'm sure there were some valuable developments that day that're definitely official and won't get overridden

[pulsar ocean]

Why did none of the dragons try to collect pieces of the master emerald before eating them

[hybrid barn]

Because the dragon of gluttony would've eaten them anyways
Gluttonous beast

[leaden bridge]

They forgot

[dusk laurel]

why is this a cropped image of gourmander 🥹

[hybrid barn]

Because I don't think we have art for the dragon of gluttony yet, so we need...an equally gluttonous substitute

[real silo]

Oh my god

Calamitas with vitiligo

[night barn]

G

Hi guys !

i am picking up the other half

of my computer

[young socket]

blows you up

[night barn]

from the store

WHAAT

[young socket]

you heard me

[night barn]

um MODS??

[young socket]

mods wont save you

[night barn]

this can't be allowed

[young socket]

i BRIBED them

[night barn]

NOO

💥

explodes

[young socket]

:3

[night barn]

how am i supposed to go bankrupt now

computer AND groceries

😔

[rich pelican]

Hello chat if Yharon is apparently now city level in the calamity lore what does astrum deus scale to

[night barn]

im also saving up for a billion dollar synth but that will need to be . a future endeavor it seems

[night barn]

i dee. kay??

[young socket]

lower, probably

[night barn]

powerscaling is weird to me

like calling yharon city level seems misleading

is powerscaling just about how much stuff a character can destroy

😭

[young socket]

its weird

[rich pelican]

No not really though that is one aspect of it I suppose

[real silo]

MY glupshit terrarian can beat YOUR glupshit terrarian at water polo

[night barn]

like he terrorized the world for decades and also is like the core of dragonkind's longevity

and like

embodies the concept of rebirth

but he can destroy. A city

[young socket]

those levels arent about like

a barrage of attacks

its more like just a singular one they can peform

[night barn]

but still it's just about how much they can destroy

idk

[young socket]

smthn smthn armour potency or whatever im not a powerscaling nerd

@wheat walrus hey idiot

the powerscaling levels are also just generally misleading

because like

[split mortar]

Stars are literally the fallen stars but not fallen
And with some ancient powerscaling
Deus is like high town level iirc

[young socket]

a hypothetical: draedon makes an anti-xeroc gun, its not really effective on other stuff but its really good on xeroc

powerscalers would try to use that to scale the gun to like country level attack potency or whatever xeroc was

[leaden bridge]

hey are we shitting on powerscaling

[rich pelican]

Thanks for the answer!

[split mortar]

No

[young socket]

even tho that same attack wouldnt do a lot on other things

[leaden bridge]

:(

[split mortar]

Just answering the question someone had on it

[leaden bridge]

yeah it's the Nuke Man who resists nukes hypothethical

[split mortar]

Its not about yharim

[leaden bridge]

just because you can't punch nuke guy who resists nukes means you're nuke+ level its not how it works

[split mortar]

They were asking about deus
Probably just cause the guy eats stars which its not fully obvious what stars are in calamity even if its possible to learn from in game sources

[noble falcon]

Crabulon is multi-solar system level

Don’t ask how I know

[pulsar ocean]

Does yharim have a favorite food

[noble falcon]

Whatever it is, it’s probably dragon shaped

[eager bluff]

potato pizza

iirc thats his canon favorite food

[spice torrent]

dragon shaped chicken nuggies

[noble falcon]

No way, that’s what Yharon is made of

[noble falcon]

A pizza cut to look like a dragon like how little Caesar’s had the Batman pizza makes a lot of sense

[long scaffold]

The powerscalers listened to that one Terrasteel video instead of the actual lore

[night barn]

ie made a smoothie

fun jupiter fac

t

[split mortar]

In stars and time

[young socket]

Siffrin gun

[split mortar]

Hey

[abstract hedge]

I've unirincally seen people claim DoG could destroy entire universes or some shit cause he can go between dimensions.

[noble falcon]

DoG's a chump, even Yharim talks trash ab him after he dies

[abstract carbon]

Could homelander solo calamity 🤔

[noble falcon]

homelander dies to dungeon guardian

at the very least theres no way in hell homelander makes it to hardmode

[abstract carbon]

Lowquenuenly?

[livid sandal]

nah homelander defo beats wof

maybe not the mechs tho

[long bloom]

yharim's punch makes a shockwave strong enough to level most of a small city and kill thousands of people

according to a writer

[abstract carbon]

Wow

Homelander is a fruad

[noble falcon]

homelander probably dies to like skeletron at the absolute latest
could he kill the wall of flesh? probably, but would he get to that point, no
it would require him figuring out to go way deep down and dropping the doll into lava and i just dont think he has it in him

him summoning skeletron is probably just coincidental timing

[sinful adder]

Even if they listen to real lore they'll misinterpret it

Homelander is probably skeletron level yeah. I'd expect him to die to queen bee poison if anything

Slime god stomps homelander I think

Omni man, however, I bet he could beat xeroc

1/3rd planet buster level ass

Or around that from what I heard

[light linden]

I uh

I'm like 90% sure xeroc could kill omni-man

the viltrumites have immense strength but durability wise?

they're closer to steel

[sinful adder]

I was under the impression that Omni man can blow up a planet by flying through it, with the help of 3 other people

Maybe I was mistaken

[light linden]

iirc that's something that happens yes

[sinful adder]

Or maybe that feat was special because the planet was already going to explode

Human bones are not that far off from steel so they have to be more durable than that

If they can survive falling from space for example, they have to be an order of magnitude tougher at least

And they have to be able to survive their own punches, so logically their durability needs to match their strength

Or come close

[light linden]

oh also another thing

viltrumites are nearly invulnerable to blunt force

[sinful adder]

That's still durability

Most forms of durability can be made equivalent to blunt force

Heat, cold, and electricity are like the main exceptions

Explosions are mostly blunt force in terms of the damage they deal

[light linden]

they're also shown to be vulnerable to being cut, heat, and impaled though

[sinful adder]

I see. This is good to know

[light linden]

they are also extremely resistant to cold

[light linden]

in fact being close to the sun nullifies many of their defensive capabilities

[sinful adder]

I think this means that Omni man might not necessarily beat xeroc, but it would be close. Both of them have to dodge well since one is way stronger physically and the other has lower durability

Interesting

[light linden]

most importantly their regeneration

[sinful adder]

Then I bet Omni man beats everyone except xeroc

[light linden]

scal would absolutely kill him

[sinful adder]

And maybe full power fovos depending on how fovos' powers work

Oh right, heat

[light linden]

xeroc might be able to as well

not xeroc

god my brain is fried

draedon

[sinful adder]

Ok yeah. I was thinking sunlight as heat but

Ok

[light linden]

laser weapons are shown to deal damage

hell a specific laser pistol is one of their biggest issues

[sinful adder]

I think in this situation actually he only makes it to Calamitas or exos specifically because the strongest calamity characters have powers that counter his

[light linden]

oh also

the plague might work

[sinful adder]

He's physically stronger than even xeroc, but is weak to the big 4's attacks

Right

[light linden]

viltrumites were nearly rendered extinct by an engineered virus

[sinful adder]

I think Omni man has a close fight with the exos and Calamitas, as long as Calamitas can dodge or teleport out of the way

And as long as Omni man can dodge the Thanos beam

Yharon would be tough but I bet beatable

Just a hunch though

[light linden]

sound is also unpleasant for them

[sinful adder]

I think this would be a neat matchup

[light linden]

with it disorienting them HEAVILY

[sinful adder]

Death battle would 100% fuck up the power scaling

[light linden]

also worth mentioning

viltrumites have next to no defense against attacks that aren't physical

so theoretically scal's magical fire could easily burn him to the bone

[light linden]

yharon would kill him

the fire combined with the electricity would kill him

[sinful adder]

Huh

The terraria player can dodge the fire. Omni man is faster than the player, he could probably dodge it

That's what I'm thinking

[light linden]

unless that electricity attack idea isn't gonna be a thing

[sinful adder]

Like yeah the fire would be deadly. The attacks at that level all pose a threat except for the few blunt force ones. But these attacks are able to be dodged by a human with the agility of like. A real life helicopter

Well. Not exactly. More agile, same speed

That's why I think someone with the ability to hover has an advantage.

[light linden]

you're also forgetting the fact that uh

yharon might not need to land a direct hit

we don't know how hot yharon's flames are

[sinful adder]

I'm guessing that Omni man's sheer strength and speed are high enough to finish the fight before he can be torched for long enough to die

I don't know that for sure, I'm just estimating based on what I've seen

[light linden]

also worth mentioning another thing

[sinful adder]

What are we confident Omni man could definitely beat?

[light linden]

yharon would keep coming back

[sinful adder]

Yharon takes a decade to come back

So no

[light linden]

any pre-dog boss without fire

[light linden]

ik

[sinful adder]

Yeah I agree

But I don't think normal fire is enough

Because like. Someone would have tried that

[light linden]

providence would cook him

[sinful adder]

Providence would be a - yeah

Unless he can smash through provi's core in a few hits, provi stops him

[light linden]

not even a few hits

being near provi might kill him

her toolset will mess most viltrumites up BAD

[sinful adder]

I find that hard to believe because real life fire gets really hot and I would be surprised if he couldn't escape a burning building

[light linden]

crystal shards and hotter than normal fire

[noble falcon]

profaned guardians might stump him in that case

might not even make it to unholy insurgency

[sinful adder]

Can viltrumites survive a regular volcano?

[noble falcon]

what ab brimstone flames
does he beat the clone

[light linden]

that depends on how close to the lava they are

[sinful adder]

An erupting volcano is maybe twice as hot as a strong fire, and the sun is about ten times hotter than that

[noble falcon]

if he tries, she'll probably pull the super high defense move and shut it down

[sinful adder]

We know that lore wise, Omni man surely must be able to survive ordinary fire just fine, otherwise he'd be dead already since humans have tried to kill him and they would surely try trusty old fire

[noble falcon]

would he beat exo mechs
i think so

[light linden]

likely not no

their laser based weaponry alone would likely do him in

ares would have the hardest time

thanatos would likely have the easiest

[noble falcon]

hes survived super death lasers before

[light linden]

heaviest armor and immense heat venting in close range

omni man would have to get close which is exactly the worst option for him

[sinful adder]

I don't doubt that anything PML has the physical strength to beat him

[light linden]

oh yeah likely no

dog especially is dying

[sinful adder]

But I think that he has the speed and agility and power to beat them, the same way the terraria can but just better

[pliant ruin]

arent viltrumites just weak to heat

[sinful adder]

Heat mainly

[noble falcon]

if scal can beat him, i think clone does cause the power is the same kinda stuff, yeah?

[pliant ruin]

so like most post ml things that are particularly reliant on heat like calamitas and xeroc yeah

[pliant ruin]

Clone is literally prehardmode

[sinful adder]

Clone is much weaker.

[pliant ruin]

At most mid hardmode if the tierskip dosen't happen* brain fart

She is not beating omniman in any way

[light linden]

heat, slashing, impalement, electricity, lasers, and magic

sound weakens them greatly

[pliant ruin]

sounds too yeah right i remember that

Slashing/Impalement i wouldn't really say are Weaknesses thoguh

[sinful adder]

I feel like you should remember

[pliant ruin]

they can just get hurt by it the same way most other beings can

[light linden]

they're nearly immune to gamma radiation, blunt force impacts, and cold though

[noble falcon]

so cryogen is a no-go

permafrost too

[sinful adder]

Viltrumites are obviously way more resistant to heat than any human, even a strong terrarian human

No, they're immune to cold

Not weak to it

[pliant ruin]

Also like

[noble falcon]

whats the soonest point in progression the player would win, lets assume no skips boss order

[sinful adder]

Weird that gamma radiation they're immune to because it's literally a form of the stuff they're weak to

[pliant ruin]

Heat/Sound powers aren't equal an instant win because they're still really strong

[sinful adder]

Would win against Omni man?

[noble falcon]

yes

cause itll be a while to work your way there

[pliant ruin]

There was a random villain goon with heat powers and Mark Invincible still mostly beat his ass

And that was like

on season 1

[sinful adder]

I think the player specifically can't beat Omni man unless they're endgame or have fast homing weapons

[pliant ruin]

when Mark Invincible wasa still significantly weaker and less experienced and could not stand up against a regular viltrumite in the slightest

[sinful adder]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

[pliant ruin]

Because even if it was heat powers thats still just a random goon

I can see Scal beating Omniman maybe since she has extremely powerful fire and is just generally one of the s trongest characters in the mod but like

[sinful adder]

Viltrumites are not weak to heat by any normal metric. They're just way less resistant than they are to everything else

[pliant ruin]

Idk about anything bellow that

[eager bluff]

against scal i think most viltrumites would probably lose

[sinful adder]

This is basically my whole argument. This plus that they're agile and very strong

[pliant ruin]

Yharon could also probably do something

[noble falcon]

of course he could, hes yharon

[pliant ruin]

Idk if he'd win but he could do something, maybe that's winning

[eager bluff]

if dog portal camps he might be able to do something

[noble falcon]

dog just needs to get lined up decently once and its over

[pliant ruin]

I mean

you could say the same

the ot her way raound

"If this character gets one lethal hit in its over" i mean yeah thats generally how it goes

[eager bluff]

arent viltrumites explicitly really resistant to getting eaten by something big

[pliant ruin]

question is would they

[sinful adder]

Omni man has a good chance at beating anything up to xeroc for the same reasons the terrarian can, just replace stats obtained via crafting and magic with inherent strength that's stronger than an endgame terrarian

[pliant ruin]

basically thi yeah

[eager bluff]

like

thats why dog would have to portal camp

[sinful adder]

They're nearly immune to all the kinds of damage that entails

[pliant ruin]

DoG works weird though

[sinful adder]

So they can just punch a hole out

[pliant ruin]

Because usually if you get devoured by something you get digested

With DoG you get.. teleported, i guess?

[sinful adder]

I think Omni man can one shot noxus

[eager bluff]

he would have to stay in the distortion and just spit fireballs through tiny portals if he wanted an actual chance at winning

no

i dont think he can

[sinful adder]

With the planet busting move

[pliant ruin]

i don't know if we can because i dont know anything about noxus

😭

this goes for everyone in this chat lmao

what the FUCKi s noxus

[sinful adder]

Like you're forgetting that this guy flies straight through a planet to blow it up, and therefore must be able to withstand that kind of heat

At least for a little while

Actually this means that he's ok with lava

So I think that makes him fire resistant enough to beat yharon

[eager bluff]

i think you're also forgetting the part where a planet doesnt Fight Back

[pliant ruin]

Pulse Raptor

[sinful adder]

A planet "fights back" by pouring 1000km of lava on you

[eager bluff]

like if something is just sitting there taking it yeah omni man probably wins

[noble falcon]

omni man vs super dummy

[eager bluff]

also how long did it take him to blow up the planet

[sinful adder]

I don't know

He (with 3 other people similar in strength to him) charged through a planet to hit some volatile target at its core and cause it to explode. Even if they did not cause the force directly responsible for the planet exploding, they nonetheless must have been able to smash head first through a few thousand kilometers of rock and magma and survive

I think this proves that he can beat anything up to Calamitas. Boiling an ocean is probably on par with star levels of heat, which are what it takes to hurt a viltrumite

The exo mech's attacks are also definitely strong enough to hurt him, but they'd have to actually be able to hit him for that

[noble falcon]

would he get sick from the astral infection

[sinful adder]

There's an advantage to being able to trap people in a box with horrible soul burning fire monsters and a rain of fireballs, compared to having to launch projectiles from a point

For this reason, I think Omni man can beat the exo mechs by dodging the strongest attacks, but would struggle more with Calamitas because he's stuck in the box and can't easily break that magic shield

I think yharim is in a worse position than Calamitas due to lacking heat and area control.

[noble falcon]

yharim may sweep him entirely, itll be a long time before we know for sure what he can do

[sinful adder]

Yharim is physically weaker than Omni man (mountain hole punching feat is an easy comparison to planet hole punching feat)

We know that yharim at his strongest can punch you through a mountain

A dev said that

[light linden]

I uh

worth mentioning

[sinful adder]

Remember: calamity scales to the one piece universe, according to lore writers

[hybrid barn]

Honestly, I don't think so? I'm not fully sure on how the astral infection works, but I do know that you™ are able to resist it just fine

[eager bluff]

worth mentioning this is not punching through a planet

[light linden]

viltrumites are not immune to being pulled apart by strong things

[eager bluff]

this is flying through a planet

[noble falcon]

i have no idea if thats supposed to be high or low

[sinful adder]

The force you need to exert on a target the size of yourself to fly through it or punch through it is the same

[eager bluff]

yeah one tiny difference there though

[sinful adder]

Flying through an object is basically like punching yourself through it

[eager bluff]

you are not exactly using your muscles to do that

you arent using a spontaneous burst of force from a small group of muscles to fly through a planet

[hybrid barn]

I think it has something to do with having control over your innate mana or something like that

[light linden]

also the planet was destabilized iirc

[noble falcon]

as far as we know, omni man has no terraria mana right
what does that mean infection-wise

[sinful adder]

Do you think yharim could dig his way through a planet

[eager bluff]

give him enough time sure

[noble falcon]

oh god were on the prep time portion of power scaling

[sinful adder]

My argument earlier is that even if this is the case, that reduces the feat from "blowing up a planet" to "blowing a hole through the planet by flying through it"

[hybrid barn]

I'm...actually not sure- but I believe that the infection latches onto mana itself, so if something doesn't have any, it'd probably be immune

[eager bluff]

its not like omni man was standing still and just punched the ground really really hard to blow it up

[noble falcon]

that makes sense
so hes not getting stopped by aureus or deus

does he die to primordial wyrm, can he even reach the terminus

whats the pressure situation

[sinful adder]

this is a power (energy over time) issue

[hybrid barn]

Honestly, I'd say he gets stopped by Aureus
Do I think Aureus is stronger? Hell nah, it's just a good boi and I want to see it succeed

[eager bluff]

full body acceleration gets a whole lot more force than acceleration of an arm

[sinful adder]

Yes, but not a thousand times more (size of mountain vs planet)

Yharim surely can't output power equal to that

[eager bluff]

if you have an unknown time to accelerate yeah it kinda does

[sinful adder]

Like. Do you see my reasoning here?

I guess if Omni man was accelerating for a long time then maybe, but it doesn't seem that way

It was presumably continuous power output enough to vaporize or force away the rock and magma

[manic coral]

i feel like people serverely underestimate the gaps in power between doing certain things

[sinful adder]

Yeah

I'm guessing you agree with me here

[manic coral]

being able to destroy a wall vs. being able to destroy a house for example

thats not a pwoer different of, like, oh, 5 ot 10 times

[sinful adder]

Omni man can totally beat the cal universe except maybe xeroc, because even though their attacks are strong enough to hurt him, he's way faster and stronger

[manic coral]

that's more like a power difference of a few dozen or like a hundred times

[sinful adder]

Exactly

[eager bluff]

im also biased against invincible so that might have something to do with how i dont think omni man could beat yharim

[sinful adder]

Omni man's durability specifically to attacks that the strongest calamity characters have is a rough match, but he's way tougher in every other way

I think this is a reasonable assessment, but please tell me if you think I'm wrong about any of this Cei

[manic coral]

same thing even when stuff gets bigger, the power difference between being able to like

destroy a city vs destroy a mountain range is like

a CATSTROPHICALLY massive difference

[sinful adder]

Ok so actually

I think yharim vs Omni man is like how death battle depicted homelander vs Omni man

[manic coral]

stuff like that is like comparison the size of an ant to the size of an elephant

and i feel like people fail to realize this

[light linden]

hiya cei

want a bnnuy?

[noble falcon]

man idk what all omni man gets up to but saying he sweeps everything except maybe potentially scal just doesnt feel right

[sinful adder]

Meanwhile, homelander vs yharim is also like how death battle depicted that fight, but this time yharim is the one that wins

[manic coral]

and internally process "can destroy like a mountain range" and "can destroy a planet" as not an absolutely massive gap when, no, that is a gap of several hundreds or thousands of times of power

[sinful adder]

Yharim is the halfway point between homelander and Omni man on a logarithmic scale

[manic coral]

that's just my vague input on this

[sinful adder]

Yharim is a thousand times stronger than homelander and Omni man is a thousand times stronger than yharim

I think

[manic coral]

meanwhile unless there's some obvious glaring weak point even if an opponent is like 5 times stronger than you in every way, realistically

NO amount of skill is gonna close that difference

[eager bluff]

i inherently dislike settings that have characters that very explicitly are just "oh yeah i can destroy a planet because Yes" like it seems like invincible has from everything about it ive seen the viltrumites all kinda feel like john mary sue i can do this because i can do this

[sinful adder]

I totally agree

[eager bluff]

like looking at the clip where allegedly omni man destroys a planet (its never shown he apparently just blows it up off screen i guess) like

how the fuck has the viltrumite empire not taken over literally the entire universe if one guy can do all that

[manic coral]

really this would logistically be the case without even being like a 5 times difference

it could be lower

[sinful adder]

Omni man has one obvious glaring weak point:
His durability to heat, laser, magic, and sound attacks is something like a thousand times lower than all other kinds of attacks, meaning that the strongest calamity characters with those kinds of things have power capable of hurting him

For reference: he can fly through magma just fine, but being inside a star is certain death

[pliant ruin]

i mean tbf i think the premise of the show is that they sorta mostly have

[manic coral]

again im not giving SPECIFIC input im jsut talking about this here

[manic coral]

also, this

this is kind of a major plot point

[sinful adder]

Yeah

[manic coral]

the reason WHY they havent already is a VERY big plot thing

[sinful adder]

The plot of the show is how the viltrumites are way stronger than everyone else most of the time

I actually don't know the details beyond that

[plucky juniper]

is someone NOT fucking watching the show for this info

lmao

[sinful adder]

I've only seen the death battle summary lmao

They included the comics

[pliant ruin]

invincible good show i recommend thumbsup

[sinful adder]

Please explain why they haven't destroyed the universe yet

I don't actually know what their goals are generally

[pliant ruin]

super space colonizers

[sinful adder]

Besides like. Eugenics or something

Yeah I figured

[pliant ruin]

they don't wanna destroy the universe they want to colonize all of it
however, || The Virus ||

[manic coral]

||There's less than 50 pureblooded viltrumites left. They were on a path to conquoring the universe, but due to a deadly virus, almsot all of them died. In fact, the fact that there's less than 50 left is a very closely guarded secret.||

[sinful adder]

I see

[manic coral]

||Otherwise they know they'd possibly get overthrown||

[sinful adder]

I wonder if the calamity plague could beat them

[manic coral]

||It's part of why they dont immediatly kill Mark and try to recruit him and stuff and why they're so hesitant to execute Nolan||

[hybrid barn]

That and|| there's been proven to be species, though few and far between, that are able to fight back against them, so they have to be a bit more methodical about taking over new planets ||

[manic coral]

that too

[sinful adder]

Makes sense

[thick slate]

space racer goat

[manic coral]

||there are some thigns that exist that are realistically able to kill them they're just hard to come by and well guarded secrets since obviously the viltrumites dont want people knowing that||

that's the tl;dr on why

[sinful adder]

Ok I think this is a much better question

[manic coral]

in shrot yes there is VERY good justification for it in the story to the point of being major plot points

[noble falcon]

oh totally
it just takes over whatever life it touches

[sinful adder]

Can mark beat calamity in the terrarian's position

[manic coral]

yes

[sinful adder]

I see

[manic coral]

this isnt even a question

[sinful adder]

I wonder if he'd use any of the like physical tools available

[eager bluff]

depends how quickly it can proliferate between viltrumites i think

[noble falcon]

mark vincible done got the photon ripper, we done for

[sinful adder]

I know he's not strong enough to do much to Omni man

Ok what about ug

Atom eve

[manic coral]

||Maybe at the very START of the series||

[hybrid barn]

Y'know...this is kind of a good question on how effective the plague is itself, what're the limits of the control it has over its hosts?

[sinful adder]

I don't know anything about her besides that she's way weaker than Mark except that she can regenerate

[sinful adder]

I see

[manic coral]

||later on in it he specifically has to lose an arm wrestling match against Nolan because HE doesn't want people knowing he's stronger than him at that point in the story||

[eager bluff]

because im pretty sure as they got infected they would get like exponentially weaker seeing as the plague is kinda limited by it flat out replacing biology

[sinful adder]

Keep in mind: my entire knowledge of invincible comes from death battle analysis

I wonder if there's a lore reason that viltrumites look like humans

[eager bluff]

if it catches them off guard and most of them get infected at the same time or in a massive chain reaction yeah it could definitely beat em

but the biggest question there is how fast does it spread and would it be detected before coming into contact with the wider viltrum empire or whatever its called

[manic coral]

here's my take on all of this. yeah ok in theory if like say draedon knows ALL of their weaknesses

yeah they could be dealt with

i dotn see how he could figure that out though

thats how i feel

obviously people are entitled to their own thoughts and stuff

[eager bluff]

oh and also can it even get to a point where it would be able to come into contact with the wider viltrum empire

small group of viltrumites as like a scouting party or whatever sure yeah can probably take out that, i dont think it goes much further than that though

i feel like the plague would get caught really early on seeing as

once you're infected you kinda sorta start turning green

[night barn]

Hi guys

[night barn]

Is this canon

The plague turns you green

😭

[noble falcon]

i mean presumably plague cells are green and its just them going all throughout your body and mechanizing you

so it stands to reason that you would be green for most of that

[night barn]

didn't know the plague is a bunch of robots

ig it makes sense

[eager bluff]

i mean yeah

the plague is Very Green

and most of the stuff wasnt green before

[thick slate]

i wonder why it green

[night barn]

meow

not reading all that

!

idk i knew they were green but i thought that was just like

uhhhhhhhh

idk the goop

cut me some slack im unsmart

[hybrid barn]

I often forget that the regular plaguebringer looks like that

[noble falcon]

the color of science

idk what inspired draedon to give the goliath jet turbines and a box cutter stinger, but damn was he right to do it

[agile matrix]

imagine if it was green + former color instead of pure lime green

that'd be cool

[noble falcon]

ok now imagine if they all had gamer rgb lights

[light moth]

Who is Mark?

WTF JS WRONG WITH THOSE REPLIES RECENTLY

[long bloom]

mark e. plier

[light moth]

I don’t remember such character in Calamity

[night barn]

facebook mark e. place

[zenith geode]

giving an npc this name just to spite you

[light moth]

That’s what I call unintentional contribution xdd

[light moth]

Ah, yeas
Forgot who is that

Nvm

And also
What the hell of the brainrot was that d(u)ck scaling?

[craggy sparrow]

Yes Markiplier i do want to have sex

And my sex is male

[light moth]

Why won’t lore writers just say something like “Any character outside of Calamity destroys Calamity verse, but it just won’t matter” so powerscalers could rip off their hairs?

[noble falcon]

strollin stu from mario sunshine is the force of nature yharim wont see coming

[feral skiff]

Is the Yharim Worm canon?

[agile matrix]

specify

theres a lot of worms and a lot of yharims

(storywise)

[random mulch]

take on heartlands (edited it a bit)

[long bloom]

is dark green da jungle

[random mulch]

yes

[long bloom]

what's the long brown island

[random mulch]

idunno i felt like adding it

[eager bluff]

evil fucked up shitland

[long bloom]

[real silo]

Indonesia

[pliant ruin]

⛈️ VENEZUELA ⛈️

[agile matrix]

oooo

i see crimson, corruption, jungle, desert, ice, and all that

fields and such

where would major monuments be? on this map

[random mulch]

not sure

[hybrid barn]

I could imagine the dungeon being around that little land finger under the sulphurous sea

[random mulch]

probably

[pliant ruin]

land named finger

i like the long strip of sulphuric wasteland poopland that feels like something that probably realistically exists and we just never explore it because we dont ever go beyond the mainland

[hybrid barn]

I wonder if it'll allow Wikipedia links

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger,_Tennessee

[pliant ruin]

That's where the Jade Palace is .................

old duke lives on poop island

[hybrid barn]

It does!

[agile matrix]

lorewise, how does a ramdash work

[latent flower]

smack

[agile matrix]

you cant really go straight through them no

[latent flower]

SMACK

[agile matrix]

thats a bonkdash no

[latent flower]

samething pretty much ....

you probably just put the shield up and smack them withit i dunno

[mighty zenith]

either magic bullshit or you're going to their side and hiding behind the shield to move past them without taking damage

[agile matrix]

that makes sense

[latent flower]

maybe its canonically using 3d space and terraria just cant show that

[mighty zenith]

i mean.

[latent flower]

so ya its probably just going around them

[mighty zenith]

backgrounds

exist

[latent flower]

but also i don tthink theres actually a lore explanation😭

[agile matrix]

in-universe would be better

[latent flower]

but thats njot real 3d

[mighty zenith]

there isnt an official one but nothing wrong with headcanons

[agile matrix]

but like idk maybe the lore has a thing where rams just phase you through them

[latent flower]

like you cant move 3d in terraria

[agile matrix]

yes you can

[mighty zenith]

it implies that the world isnt actually 2D

[latent flower]

could be idunno

thats not rllt what i was saying doe

[agile matrix]

fiar

[mighty zenith]

the game is presented that way but the world itself is 3D

[latent flower]

well yeah thats why i said terraria cant show it owo

it cant show you moving in a 3d space

thus it cant show you moving around the boss beyond just smacking you through it

technicslly youd be getting bigger if you moved closer to the camera but erm

[mighty zenith]

you move over them therefore you are closer to the camera than them

:3

[latent flower]

yeah so you should be bigger

unfortunately nobody has ever thought this hard about the logistics of a ram dash before

:spb:

[mighty zenith]

it would probably look weird af to just have the character increase in size every time you rammed past something and then reset

[agile matrix]

i mean

the best option would to have the shield to their side

[split mortar]

Does not mean the world is canonically 2D

[mighty zenith]

tsupid gun

[agile matrix]

like its always held in front of the player, so when they ram it just goes to its side

[latent flower]

guys i never said the world is canaonically 2d

[split mortar]

[latent flower]

owo

[agile matrix]

STRAWMAN!! ATTACK!!!!

[latent flower]

AAAAHHH

HEALLPP

scarecorw emoji

i swear there was a scarecrow emohi

😭

[pulsar ocean]

Why’d you claim the world is canonically 2d

[latent flower]

I DIDDNNTTT

😭

MODS HELP

[split mortar]

Smh my head celeri

[latent flower]

what the hecky

[craggy sparrow]

Actually

are most large weapons relatively like

the size of some dark souls greatswords for example

in lore

[pulsar ocean]

I’d lift them with one hand

[split mortar]

Theres no reason to believe lore has them be different to in game size

[mighty zenith]

the terrarian is just ridiculously jacked

[random mulch]

simply built different

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-excelsus-suplex-raiden-gif-6912184226811541771

[craggy sparrow]

I also have an issue

with some accessories

like the exo mech nano machine chestplate? one of them drops it

idk if i got the name wrong

but how the hell did it drop that

[random mulch]

ares' exoskeleton?

[craggy sparrow]

why is there a full chest piece

for us to use

after we kill it

did draedon put it inside?

or did it reshape to fit us

[random mulch]

simply answer is probably just; don't think about it to hard

[craggy sparrow]

like its nanotech

so its basically mini robots forming into armor

was it apart of ares

[craggy sparrow]

yes

[random mulch]

you probably in canon make it yourself out of exo mechs scraps but in-game it's just a fun boss drop weapon

[craggy sparrow]

thats also a bigger question

its not player lore friendly

different players have different interpretation

of their terrarians

my terrarian is not that smart

maybe the goblin tinkerer or the mechanic

made it for them

then again only draedon was able to make it

[random mulch]

your terrarian simply smacked the pieces together until it started working

[craggy sparrow]

It also has different summons as blasters

my dumbass terrarian did not make this

[split mortar]

They just repurposed ares corpse

[mighty zenith]

unfortunately with a game like terraria you have to make some compromises

not every gameplay thing can be reasonably explained and imo shouldnt be

if you're making lore for your terrarian you can also make lore for the gameplay elements to fit your interpretation

[craggy sparrow]

I guess yeah you're right

[random mulch]

very sadge that there are only 2 dragon designs so far

[split mortar]

Dragons are less relevant sadly

[random mulch]

i know but they're still cool :[

[split mortar]

Tru

[craggy sparrow]

I actually like calamity mythology as it also just fixes a lot of mythological issues

like gods not being omnipotent or Omni benevolent

leading to imperfections between them

There is also not one true god as well, gods in this case are self made titles

[random mulch]

i still remember triangle saying something about wanting the god of dogma's design to be very human-like

which would be really cool if half of the existing gods didn't already look barely changed from their pre-ascended form

[craggy sparrow]

I just know

slime god was a fatass

in their chud mortal life

now they're just a ball

[random mulch]

tyrian and otonilou are debatable because we don't actually know what they looked like, but their designs kinda just feel like ilmerians but one has a canon arm and the other has some zaps

and silva really just isn't that much different

so god of dogma being very human wouldn't stand out

(not a complaint with the idea for god of dogma, but instead the other 3 gods)

[pliant ruin]

agnus 🩷

best god

[random mulch]

agnus is top tier god design tbh

btw how does being the "god of the seas" relate to getting a cannon for an arm

[split mortar]

Pirates

[random mulch]

i mean, sure, but that doesn't relate to the seas directly

[pliant ruin]

melon is that a joke or not

i cant tell

[random mulch]

the god of criminals on the other hand

[pliant ruin]

Maybe it's like a pressurized water jet or something

Also the cannon does seem to be made of like coral and stuff

[random mulch]

looks like a metal cannon barrel to me tbh

[split mortar]

Whuh

[pliant ruin]

right it's more os that there's coral and stuff growing on it

maybe that used to be a weapon Tyrian had when he was a mortal but ascending fusedw ith his body but yeah that also just like

dosen't really fit the Seas domain now does it

Which honestly this could easily be explained if it was like a pressurized water jet thingamabob like i said and if it looked less metallic and more like its actually made of coral and shells or whatever

[split mortar]

Why you ask if it a joke

[pliant ruin]

because i couldn't tell if it was a joke or not

[random mulch]

though "seas" is also just a bit of a vague concept

[split mortar]

Its the only connection i made so not really

[pliant ruin]

yeah its a very flimsy connection

which is why i couldnt tell

[pliant ruin]

that is true to be fair but it definitely dosen't evoke Gun Arm for one, atleast not without some

ahem

stipulations

[split mortar]

Pirate tyrian theory

[craggy sparrow]

Simply got rid of the multi flintlock by making your arm into one

[split mortar]

Cheese i wanna see how long it takes for new people to call me siffrin
Remove the gun pls

[pliant ruin]

Siffrin arc

[random mulch]

you wil never outrun your name, melongun

[pliant ruin]

literally the yuri to ur cheese

[feral skiff]

Hi Melon Gun

[craggy sparrow]

is melon gun pre hardmode

[random mulch]

otonilou is pretty dissapoint because she genuinely just looks like a regular ilmerian with a bit of electricity but at least that connects to her domain

[feral skiff]

Hardmode? Then why isn’t there an Easy Mode?

[funny avatar face]

[pliant ruin]

tbh i always though otonilou's design was odd because it just looks really, really human
all the other illmerans look reasonably like Sapient Fish but Otonilou kind of just looks alot like a Person but also that may just be me caring too much about the biological plausibility of Fish People and overthinking how they actually evolved and shit because i'm a nerd

[random mulch]

agreed tbh

[split mortar]

Im normal about the game

[random mulch]

could be fun to brainstorm new designs for the 2 ilmerian gods

[real glen]

was about to ask orios to draw 5 major continents like world map from rpg games but oh well he already did lol

[random mulch]

the continent map is not new

i only refined the heartlands

[random mulch]

auuauauaa

the rest of the world is a mystery

[agile matrix]

wheres the fuckass hell continent

[random mulch]

#4

[agile matrix]

troll! its the smallest one!

[random mulch]

polar distortion

it looks a lot bigger than it actually is, like greenland

[pulsar ocean]

where are netherlands

[long bloom]

you need flint and steel to go there

unfortunately none in terraria

[agile matrix]

is there a map with polar distortion included (like a squigglemap)

[random mulch]

here

[pliant ruin]

evil hell continent that's both extremelyt cold and extremely hot at the same time my beloved

[split mortar]

Werent the cold and hot just a headcanon someone had

[pliant ruin]

yeah

its just a headcanon that orios came up with but its a awesome one

[random mulch]

[pliant ruin]

it makes perfect sense for what it is + cool asf

[young socket]

very original head canon that totally isnt from smthn else

[pliant ruin]

yeah i just said orios came up with

[young socket]

unrelated but cheese u should keep reading one piece

[pliant ruin]

eventually im on the mines

[young socket]

ur on top of them?

woah

[random mulch]

it's not inspired by anything from one piece >:[

[agile matrix]

why cant it be frostburn continent

[pliant ruin]

i like to think there is like minimal amount of human settlements there but due to the Conditions they're not very big or technologically advanced, things like native tribes/communities of hunters and gatherers and that sort of thing

[random mulch]

it's inspired by iceland

[pliant ruin]

something like irl inuits but they have magic or some shit because tahts cool

[agile matrix]

the green place

?

[random mulch]

cold & full of volcanism

[pliant ruin]

Continent #4 is just Fantasy Iceland much like how Ibipaua is Fantasy Brazil

[random mulch]

but like, really cold and really full of volcanism

[agile matrix]

isnt that greenland lol?

[random mulch]

no not really

[agile matrix]

im really bad with remembering what makes iceland and greenland different

[random mulch]

iceland is the small one

[young socket]

greenland is even further northwest iirc

[random mulch]

basically one big volcano

[rancid orchid]

my problem with tyrian's design is entirely that anahita is also a reclusive deep-sea merfolk-esque fish person with dominion over the seas and it's so unbelievably lame to use the exact same archetype for an oceanic character twice when the ocean is the biggest hub of biodiversity on the planet

[pliant ruin]

I mean i dunno they seem p different design wise to me and thats coming from jane fish nerd

Anahita is like barely even a fish

She's design wise much more of a traditional mermaid

I do have some gripes with Tyrian's design but idk if "is too similar to anahita" is what would come to mind

Unless you specifically mean just the general bodyplan i suppose whcih i can kinda agree with actually but that's also less of a tyrian specific thing and more of just kinda liek

General pattern

Anahita, Tyrian, Otonilou, Amidias

all of them have that same bodyplan

[rancid orchid]

amidias just being a fish dude is fine because he wouldn't fall under the same biology-bending of god and dragon designs and otonilou is at least a different aquatic species

my point is mostly that i want more non-deep-sea designs honestly. we already have the abyss and anahita to cover the deep sea, why can't tyrian span more of the entire sea rather than choosing the abyssal anglerfish approach.

[pliant ruin]

I dunno if i'd call Anahita much of a deep sea design ngl

Like she really is just kind of a standard mermaid design, nothing much about her really says deep sea to me

She did literally live on the abyss before though i think so i guess there's that

[pliant ruin]

Well ok tbf calling her a standard mermaid is a bit disingenuous

She is admittedly more Fishy than the usual mermaid and isn't just like. top half woman bottom half scaly generic fish tail

But i still don't feel much of a deep sea vibe in particular with her

[split mortar]

Bottom half fish top half fish woman

[pliant ruin]

I think anglerfish Tyrian can work kind of well but i can't lie if anything i think his bodyplan is kind of bland... both sunken sea gods are really humanoid and it could've been more interesting if atleast mayhaps one of them was less so than the other but oh well

[agile matrix]

would draedon and yharim be good on a football team

yharim as defense and draedon as quarterback

[split mortar]

Yharim would fucking obliterate anyone who tries to block his kicks

[agile matrix]

its football though, you cant kick

i presume draedon would be on offense because dudes a supercomputer

he is NOT blocking shit, he doesnt look the sturdiest (presuming we have people like yharim on defense)

[random mulch]

are you talking about rugby?

[agile matrix]

(yes, ik relative to human standpoints he's probably REALLY tanky but if we're scaling around yharim)

[agile matrix]

im half sure you cant kick in football for safety reasons

[random mulch]

you kick the ball

[agile matrix]

oh, i thought they were referring to defense

[random mulch]

it's why it's named football

[agile matrix]

nonono i mean yharim on the side that prevents people from getting to draedon, who throws the ball

[random mulch]

you don't throw the ball in football

[agile matrix]

y

yes you do?

[random mulch]

ok

[agile matrix]

gridiron

not soccer

[random mulch]

ah

[agile matrix]

yea

[random mulch]

so football

[split mortar]

Oh
Im british

[agile matrix]

see i had to differenciate

[random mulch]

i will never call rugby "football"

in football you gotta foot the ball

byeah considering yharim is huge he'd probably do well in rugby

[thick slate]

there is soccer

and nrl

the only sports

[noble falcon]

Almost
You forgot ping pong

[pastel bay]

Yharim would be a great hockey player

[wanton pendant]

This is different to Rugby, because Rugby is only Rugby if played in the town of Rugby, otherwise it's sparkling wrestling.

[dusk laurel]

what does this mean

[pulsar ocean]

mordecai n rigby

[glacial rampart]

mmmm shiverburn galaxy 🤤

[livid sandal]

football isn't another name for rugby, American football is what the full name of the sport is and its a variation of rugby, still pretty weird that its called football.

also yharim would immediatly get a foul for turning the entire opposing team into red mist when he tries to tackle

[agile matrix]

we presume the other team is capable of handling The Strongest Guy We Can Reasonably Be In Melee Combat With

like not yharim tier but like at least close

how many braelors and statis does it take to defeat one yharim full power

[pliant ruin]

.

Into a . What

[split mortar]

A bloody mist

[agile matrix]

so a mist? sips tea britishly

[split mortar]

No the mist is made of blood

So its bloody

[agile matrix]

a bloody mist ey

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/siffrin-in-stars-and-time-siffrin-nod-violent-head-shake-gif-16654999690461845662

[agile matrix]

DOOOOOM.

[dusk laurel]

[next remnant]

Can anyone on this server tell me about the old lore that Noxus had on MD? I would really appreciate it.

[split mortar]

MD?

[next remnant]

I mean by private message

[long bloom]

you're allowed to talk about old lore here

[next remnant]

Oh, so... you'll tell me about the old Noxus lore here?

[long bloom]

if that's fine yeah

to my understanding: at the beginning of the universe, there were a bunch of light and dark gods in an eternal war, then all the light gods combined into xeroc or something, and the dark gods built noxus out of the other fallen dark gods as a superweapon made to kill xeroc

anyone feel free to correct me if i'm mistaken

[agile matrix]

thats funny as shit

"THIS MOTHERFUCKER IS GETTING TOO BIG FOR HIS PANTALOONS!!! BLAST HIM OUTTA THE SKY!!!!"

[next remnant]

Oh, okay, but I've heard from some people that in the old lore, the whole thing about dark and light gods doesn't make sense and was never part of the canon (I mean the old lore) of Calamity. Can you confirm that's true? Or maybe I'm mistaken

[long bloom]

i'm pretty sure it was canon

lemme double check

[agile matrix]

in current lore, that old lore is shecanery

in old lore, that was how the thing made sense

[long bloom]

here's all the info from the old lore doc

wall of text has awoken

[young socket]

it was canon but it wasnt mentioned like at all in game and stuff

and well

lore got rewritten before noxus and xeroc were ever made

so there was never really a chance ever

[next remnant]

I can understand your point about Noxus a little, but Xeroc was already written in the books before. After all, before the lore was changed, he was known as the true god of the Terraria universe. I even remember them comparing Xeroc and Noxus in terms of power, saying Noxus was a 1 and Xeroc was a 10.

Besides, I don't really like the idea of ​​Xeroc returning to his current lore form. I don't feel it makes sense that he was previously a primordial multiversal god only to later become a mortal who transformed into a "god" through the auric soul of a dragon.
For me, it feels like a missed opportunity that we won't meet the creator god of the Terraria universe in Calamity Vanilla.

[split mortar]

If xeroc was multiversal then the story would break
Atleast the noxus xeroc stuff

[eager bluff]

its not a "he used to be this"

its a "the story was entirely batshit and had very little actually going for it so everything was changed"

stuff like that was bound to happen after the post moon lord scaling reduction

there being a creator god isnt relevant to the story

[next remnant]

I understand, but they shouldn't have changed absolutely everything to the point where the story feels pretentious, especially with Yharim, who in the old lore was a tyrant to everyone despite being a fallen, false hero. I mean, I understand the idea, don't misunderstand me, it's just that I feel the way they execute it is very pretentious, and the same goes for the other characters.

[eager bluff]

what

thats like

exactly what he is with current lore

in old lore he was john evil man

[split mortar]

What is new lore yharim to you

[next remnant]

I understand, but to be honest, it feels a bit forced.

[split mortar]

Not really for new lore

[glossy wolf]

so where and what the hell is yharim doing while the terrarian does his thing from awakening to beating scal

[eager bluff]

living in a cave

[split mortar]

Living in the aerie

[glossy wolf]

whats that?

[split mortar]

Some weird dimension place?( maybe not that???) that is where the dragons rebirthed and got laid to rest when dying iirc

[eager bluff]

the place the dragons used to live

[glossy wolf]

ohh i see

[eager bluff]

idk if its a pocket dimension but its hidden from regular people

[glossy wolf]

im excited to wait 12 years for him to be added as the final boss

and then xeroc in the next 100

[next remnant]

So you mean what a new Yharim lore would be like for me?

[split mortar]

No what is new lore yharim
Describe what you think he is like you did to old lore yharim

[glossy wolf]

oh and noxus in the next 50

[next remnant]

Oh, so it would be that he was a hero who fell into madness in order to win a war against the gods, gradually becoming what he so detested. Why?

[split mortar]

You fell for the yharim propaganda

[eager bluff]

one of the classic blunders

he wasnt ever really a hero

[glossy wolf]

i gen forgot why he wanted to kill gods in the first place

[agile matrix]

yharon said "yo. they kinda killed my homeboys."

iirc

[livid sandal]

they ate his dragon friends

[glossy wolf]

ohhh i see

[eager bluff]

they tried to execute him so he immediately latched on to the first thing that wasnt gods which was yharon

[livid sandal]

Im pretty sure most of the dragons where already extinct by the time yharim came around but still

[split mortar]

Yharim wants you to believe that he is a fallen hero so it is easier for you to side with him
Since the beggining he was genocidal no matter how good the gods were

[eager bluff]

yeah thats why he calls it vengeance

[glossy wolf]

and now, like a couple centuries or smth later, the wars still happening and he wants to end it or smth?

[eager bluff]

the war isnt really happening

[agile matrix]

the war kinda's just stalled

[eager bluff]

but his goal wasnt completed so he wants someone (you, the terrarian) to finish what he started

[agile matrix]

we dont got many more gods to. battle.

[glossy wolf]

by the time yharim becomes like depressed or wtv, what gods are even left

[agile matrix]

xeroc is one

[livid sandal]

most of them are turned into the ketchup and blueberry biome lol

[eager bluff]

we dont know the exact count but slime god xeroc and providence

[glossy wolf]

i thought we killed providence?

and isnt noxus a god too?

[eager bluff]

nope

noxus isnt a god

[livid sandal]

thats the old lore

noxus is way cooler now imo