lore-discussion

[night crypt]

i know but what did it do to make you go to linux

[limpid saddle]

i tasted the fruits of paradise (owning a steam deck)

[night crypt]

OMG

[limpid saddle]

also they broke file explorer

[split mortar]

Yo mee
Yo mih

[long bloom]

ai code

[limpid saddle]

the flavour was middling & riddled with unoptimization but oh my is it tantalizing compared to boring into the shit-caked mud of windows

[limpid saddle]

yeah.

[night crypt]

i dont think i ve met a single well adjusted steam deck owner

[limpid saddle]

alright

[night crypt]

they share the collective hysteria of endless tweaking

[split mortar]

I dont own a steam deck and idk if im well adjusted

[limpid saddle]

I've had to factory reset the thing twice over 2 years of ownership to stop leaks & swathes of ui failure

[split mortar]

The laptop or steamdeck

[limpid saddle]

at this point im worried its decomposing

[limpid saddle]

steamdeck

[night crypt]

please tell me it wasnt just normal use you were doing

[limpid saddle]

yeah i used it normally

I have a little monitor set-up with a keyboard i use desktop mode with that it hates co-operating with (have a set of speakers that just dont work but made the steam decks stereo itself work after [at that point] months of ownership of them not working in desktop mode?)

i just like

use firefox for a tab open while i play

krita every once in a while when im spriting

[night crypt]

thats horrifying

[limpid saddle]

its a beautiful piece of hardware but whatever is on the inside os wise is like an asphyxiating baby

[night crypt]

i would have thought the issues were with games between proton issues and anticheat/mods not working

[night crypt]

its quite damning that the OS itself breaks apart like that and so often

[wanton pendant]

Don't be ridiculous. That was the main selling point!

[night crypt]

knowing some linux users...i wouldnt be surprised

[limpid saddle]

from my understanding being a linux user is like being a flagelant

the core idea is to provide unending suffering to yourself in order to grant yourself some form of salvation at the altar of open source development

[night crypt]

while linux is way more mature and usable these days, just being able to tweak so much opens one up to break things or try insane projects

just cause

[limpid saddle]

Yeah windows is an unoptimized garbage fire loaded with bloat & spyware designed to make your machine run worse but at least its consistent to its credit, linux is like being china in a bull factory

You touch the wrong setting, or do something weird one too many times, & all of a sudden its dead

[wanton pendant]

I'm sure Confucius had something to say about that.

[icy veldt]

Skill issue

[long scaffold]

Honestly I thought Xeroc was a lot more evil than what he apparently is like

I initially thought he had full power to nurse the dragon king back to health but instead was greedy and became a god before leaving to go to “most powerful being in the galaxy” stuff

[cloud ibex]

far from the first person to believe that

yharim being the most prominent source of lore at the moment doesn't exactly help

but the next update(s) should help make his view on the world more questionable by showing it in comparison to reality

[cloud ibex]

though do note that even yharim himself admits that zeratros was about to die forever on account of ml fucklery

and if yharim of all people is willing to admit something that makes a god look even remotely justified, you know for absolute certain his ass is not lying

[agile matrix]

what is the likely alternatives to the expletive “oh my god”, ignoring the safer ones like “oh my goodness/gosh” in the calamity universe

since depending on who you ask you must hate gods on sight or they’re dead

[cloud ibex]

entirely depends on the culture the person is from probably

[pliant ruin]

oh my worm (for all the deus worshippers out there)

[cloud ibex]

i can imagine for a lot of them they'd go with a simple "by [name of deity]"

i can't really think of a good variant for the yharmy or its supporters other than like

"by the dragons" but that's kinda boring

[eager bluff]

great mother of fuck

[agile matrix]

i always thought it would been “By the Seeker” or something similar

or “By The Lord” but thats quite similar to “By the Gods”

[manic coral]

pretty much

you know i've ahd the idea for a while for GFB draedon to say "Oh my evolution" at some point, somewhere

[cloud ibex]

draedon on christmas eve when he hears science claus evolving down the chimney

[dusk laurel]

most terrifying thing you could say to a creationist

[wanton pendant]

You mean Newtonlecture Post-Afternoon?

[agile matrix]

this is a funny as fuck visual

“Sir, exhaust port on PD-021 has ceased functioning. Exterior blockage.”
“Visuals?”
“It appears to be a large red clothed man? With… a beard?”

actually he’s seen magicks before he could believe santa

[light linden]

[maiden void]

i just beat ceaseless void which was my final rune of kos boss. what is this thing?

[long bloom]

oh

that's from wotg

addons aren't canon

try talking to solyn (and ask future addon questions in #calamity-addon-talk )

[lapis kiln]

hwere can i read all the lore?

[bitter cave]

Check pins

Theres 2 lore documents read both ig

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message

[stark basalt]

xeroc the rock skipper

[spice torrent]

that was what i thought too
but turns out Fovos seems to have some sort of soul-degrading property in his attacks
that has to be the explanation behind what he did with the dragons

[pulsar ocean]

xeroc the tax collector

[languid ore]

holy shit the lore is massive

and yet i compare myself to calamity

[mighty zenith]

comparison is the thief of joy

[languid ore]

i agree...

[young socket]

and also the killer of motivation

wow this comparison person is kinda bad, we should probably lock them up

[split mortar]

Yeah…

[languid ore]

what

[young socket]

they stole from joy and killed motivation

[languid ore]

oh i misread that

i thought you said you guys should probably lock me up

[young socket]

lmao????

[mighty zenith]

later

[mighty zenith]

||/j ofc||

[languid ore]

wait

how is primordial light and night

encompassed by only the world soul

and frost and fire

arent they universal constraints

does that suggest the entire expanse of the universe is entirely made out of undefined goop

temperatureless

and photonless

[split mortar]

nothing in calamity tiuches that

[languid ore]

yeah but we need a consistent world JUST in case something happens outside

oh yeah the astral infection

[split mortar]

astral is moldy stars

stars in calamity being the fallen star item but not fallen out the sky

[languid ore]

oh those stars

[split mortar]

?

[split mortar]

normal irl stars have no proof of existing in calamity

[languid ore]

fleshing out a world is probably better than waiting until something touches an undefined area to start fleshing out

[languid ore]

interesting, how does the sun and moon exist in the thing

[split mortar]

sun orbits planet and so does the moon

sun is different to stars

[languid ore]

so uh whats the sun made out of

[split mortar]

and is the only source of PL other then solar pillar which is ml fuckery

[cloud ibex]

primordial light

[split mortar]

primordial light as well

[languid ore]

oh

wait if night is defined then what is something that does not have primordial light nor night

[split mortar]

what do you mean by primordial night btw

[languid ore]

idk i read the doc

[split mortar]

night is the domain of an auric dragon but did not stand on equal ground to primordial light and unlike PL domain we have no proof it has any related stuff like the actual usable primordial light

[languid ore]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[split mortar]

auric souls got domain from world soul shards and seemingly those gained domain from things relavent to the planet
primordial light hit the planet and so that got a domain (strongest one at that)
night time was also pretty relevant and so also got a domain despite no known manipulateable force related to it existing

[wanton pendant]

Only Primordial Light has a prefix.
Notably, actually, all the other domains we know of are only one word.

[pulsar ocean]

what controlled the sun before someone slimed out the world soul

[split mortar]

Probably no one

[pulsar ocean]

how did the sun form if it’s not a star and there are no other things like the sun that we know of

[split mortar]

We dunno

[pulsar ocean]

i thought u were the lore master

[eager bluff]

we just dont know

probably fairly similar to how it happened irl all things considered

[split mortar]

I mean
Its magical and weird and orbits the planet i highly doubt thay

[deep nebula]

Is yharon dead forever or will he rebirth again one day

And if yharon and yharim are soul bonded why can't yharim rebirth also?

[dusk laurel]

yharon will rebirth as long as his soul isnt absorbed or destroyed

and it takes ten years for his egg to hatch

[split mortar]

Because yharim is not an auric dragon

[dusk laurel]

yharim's attunement to yharim only makes him physically stronger, yharon's rebirth powers only work on other beings with auric souls

[deep nebula]

Loyal bird it deserves better

[dusk laurel]

so the other auric dragons that have been killed off

[deep nebula]

Ah okok

Bros really gonna die before he finishes his conquest 😭

[split mortar]

Eh yharons comparable to yharim in evilness and yharim gets called super auric shiny hitler in this chat now and then

[languid ore]

lore person said the sun orbitted the planet so perhas not

[deep nebula]

The themesong makes me feel bad for him 😭

[languid ore]

what a title

[magic epoch]

calamity lore if yharon didn't hatch

[dusk laurel]

yharon is an actual person so its less accurate to say that hes loyal to yharim and more like yharim completely venerates him as the best living thing on the planet that happens to be his best friend

[deep nebula]

Everyone loves a revenge story until its a side character and not the MC

[eager bluff]

no even if he was the mc he would still be super shiny auric hitler

[languid ore]

what about a revenge story where the side character dies an anticlimactic death because hes the apprentice of a master who got killed by the same murderer

[deep nebula]

He's a fraud

[languid ore]

what fraud he didnt commit lies

he just was too weak to avenge his master

[split mortar]

Yharim is a great well written character and among my fav
Being evil does not mean badly written or hated character

[deep nebula]

The agenda must agend

[split mortar]

-# theyre more so equals, song made gears before the current continuity moment

[languid ore]

oh yeah i was discussing a non calamity lore

[deep nebula]

Are you hanging up the title of moon melon?

[split mortar]

Wha?

[languid ore]

like a kind of trope where the revenge isnt some miraculous transformation of a once weak hcaracter

[eager bluff]

one of my favorite characters in fiction is literally named otto apocalypse and he is john asshole but hes still a really well written character

[split mortar]

Idk what that is

[split mortar]

I get what you on about not the moon melon title thing

[deep nebula]

Average anime discussion 😭

[languid ore]

lol

[pulsar ocean]

so is the thing about perfect ascensions being a consensual thing debunked or

[languid ore]

ascension???

whats ascension

[magic epoch]

becoming a God

[languid ore]

ruh roh im not original

oh wait that

ok nvm im sorta original

[magic epoch]

absorption of auric soul

[languid ore]

oh yeah that

[magic epoch]

absorp

[languid ore]

ok i understand now

[eager bluff]

it was never bunked to begin with and i dont think theres been anything new

[languid ore]

abortion of auric soul

[split mortar]

Yes

[deep nebula]

You're old name I got it mixed up with the other mod 😭 Cresent cheese and melon gun I combined them cause I wasn't 100% sure

[split mortar]

Im not even a moderator im just a patreon 😭

[icy veldt]

I don't remember it being strictly debunked, but it has been phased out in favor of Terminus theory

[languid ore]

wait guys what if we have a character who kills dragons to spite other gods

and destros the souls

[deep nebula]

Colorful name invokes fear and respect

[languid ore]

instead of consume it

[pulsar ocean]

I hope someone makes an addon in the next 10 years when the aerie drops so u can absorb yharon in the aerie with the terminus

[deep nebula]

Thanks for paying for calamity though

[icy veldt]

I thought the Terminus wasn't capable of facilitating perfect ascensions anymore

[magic epoch]

what's terminus theory

[split mortar]

Since theres ways to do that and a auric dragon never perma died outside of god ascension yharons rebirth may be able to put the pieces of a broken auric soul back together
Not like theres any dragons to go kill since yharons the last anyways

[pulsar ocean]

Why not

[eager bluff]

terminus is the essential part of perfect ascensions

[magic epoch]

okay that's what I was thinking

[deep nebula]

Calamity lore will be fully integrated into the game by 2070

[split mortar]

Its not a theory triangle confirmed terminus is the key to perfect ascension

[icy veldt]

It was implied somewhere that I don't remember the specific details of

[eager bluff]

somehow terminus is/was required for a perfect ascension to happen and it just doesnt have that power anymore

[languid ore]

wait why is Yharon the description provider anywayws

no wait

yharim

idek

[pulsar ocean]

U have any sources on that budster

[dusk laurel]

its because there are no auric souls to use for the ascension other than yharon who is not losing his soul ingame

[icy veldt]

Ask someone else

[eager bluff]

the yapmaster

[split mortar]

I think its more so that theres no way fro an ascension to happen
The ritual got erased by yharims forces and yharons soul is piss fuck hard to ascend with

[deep nebula]

Isn't zeroc the one who gives the description of the terminus?

[pulsar ocean]

Yharim is alone in the aerie he legit has nothing to do except yap in our heads

[eager bluff]

yeah it just doesnt have that power anymore

[languid ore]

auric dysfunction

[split mortar]

Terminus could perfect ascend you
Just
The other parts (ritual and soul) are missing and so that function is useless

[eager bluff]

a battery functionally has no power if theres nowhere to use that power

[deep nebula]

Take a bath in the sun's core

[pulsar ocean]

Just make draedon make a Time Machine and learn the ritual from an average Joe back in the day

[split mortar]

True

[split mortar]

Xeroc prob can

[deep nebula]

He already got the "starting over with an OP dragon soul" DLC

Where there no dragons with time domains or space domains wouldn't those be the strongest?

[pulsar ocean]

is xeroc smarter than draedon

[eager bluff]

there were however zeratros and yharon were just better

[languid ore]

where does external factors come from if heat doesnt even exist outside of Terraria

like Mars

[split mortar]

What?

Wdym heat dont exist outside terraria

[deep nebula]

That's crazy

[split mortar]

The domains are not the concepts of the thing

[languid ore]

again the very first lines of the lore docs

oh

so like

the domains claim ownership of the things in the world but outside the world they still exist but as unclaimed property

this is slightly eerily close to how i define souls

[split mortar]

You can out do someone with a domain with the same power
Scal has stronger fire then the flame dragon and providence

[eager bluff]

they're embodiments of the concept as it exists on terraria

for elementals anyways

[deep nebula]

Are they even that powerful? Can the dragon of flame remove all heat from the planet kind of power?

[eager bluff]

no

[split mortar]

Fuck no

[dusk laurel]

nope

[languid ore]

at which point do they stop representing the concept on Terraria

[deep nebula]

Powerscaling this lore is fuckass

[eager bluff]

when it goes from an elementals shtick to being a domain

[split mortar]

They just have control over it not absolute control or anything

[split mortar]

Wdym

[languid ore]

actually terraria itself and the mods suffer from powerscaling

i dont like how you can oneshot basically any bosses in the beginning of the game with endgame stuff

[split mortar]

Thats not powerscaling thats powercreep

[languid ore]

ok shi

mb

[eager bluff]

its like. auric dragon of flame is lord ozai or something. he does not control all fire and heat on the planet hes just a really goddamn good firebender

[languid ore]

the fact that you suffer from prehardmode to hardmode in vanilla terraria itself

[deep nebula]

You'd assume they'd have absolute control over their element but to me they just have a high affinity to it and make use of it through mana

[languid ore]

proves how powercreeping is too extreme

[deep nebula]

Instead like they just simply control said element

[split mortar]

Well they dont have absolute control

Thats not an issue of the powerscaling tho

[deep nebula]

Mmm not really powerscaling

[dusk laurel]

calamity lore if everything was an all powerful divine being (everything falls apart)

[deep nebula]

I think a better word is power system

[split mortar]

Yeah

Eh i dont get the issue beyond some people making assumptions stuff are more extreme then they actually are

[languid ore]

calamity lore if Yharim wasnt the cause to the changes of half the biomes in the game

[deep nebula]

Would be a farming sim

[split mortar]

That tends to happen when you play on ground zero of a century long world war with supernatural creatures

[languid ore]

why cant some of it be result of other gods 😭

i mean sulphuric sea thing was a good idea but

i still think it needs to reduce how much impact Yharim is causing to the environment

[split mortar]

Abyss is
Crimson corruption and hallowed are literal god corpses

[eager bluff]

because generally gods are not very open to the idea that hmmm i should destroy this entire region of everything

[languid ore]

and replace that with other characters

[deep nebula]

For me it's more like yknow how naruto has Chakra and dragon ball has ki I'm just trying to understand how many of those are a thing in the game or is it all just mana based

[dusk laurel]

yharim didnt even do the plague or sulphurous sea that was draedon and then azafure mainly for the latter

[languid ore]

but since theres no more dragons to eat why shouldnt you ruin the planet because why not

[split mortar]

Mana is whats most frequently used
Auric and god domains exist but we dont know how the function or what they do to really judge much

[eager bluff]

yharim doesnt really have that stopping block he can and will and could and did devastate vast swathes of land for the sole reason of gods lived there

[split mortar]

Because they gotta live on that planet

[dusk laurel]

the brimstone crags were calamitas and brimmy fighting so yharim wasnt even the start of it

[deep nebula]

Ye thanks just trying to understand the functionality 😭

[languid ore]

why specifically? moonlord didnt need to live on Terraria to come to it

[eager bluff]

if you're a god moreon the evil side of things not named providence
what is the point in ruling a kingdom of none?
if you're a god on the more good side of things
what the fuck why would i do that i have a functioning moral code

[split mortar]

Moonlord is not a god

[languid ore]

oh

[deep nebula]

Moonlord is just a strong dude from space

[languid ore]

why do you want to rule at all

[deep nebula]

Astreum deus also right? It's not even anyone's fault for the Astral

[split mortar]

Deus is a juvenile that ate moldy food that mind controls you

[dusk laurel]

deus is a space creature that was worshipped like a god but its just an animal

this was before it got infected

[deep nebula]

Draedon assumes there's more of them

[eager bluff]

you're one of the strongest beings and you're more of an asshole than not
ruling over vast swathes of land is a way of visualizing that power or exercising it

[languid ore]

and what would you prove with either actions

[eager bluff]

that you're strong what about that is not clear

[languid ore]

youre exposing your abilities

[split mortar]

Most evil people dont want to genocide the entire world

[languid ore]

for enemies to strategize on

[eager bluff]

yeah that

would happen anyways

[languid ore]

how exactly

[split mortar]

Most
Providence is an exception

[languid ore]

youre exposing less with the other thing

[eager bluff]

"exposing less" my ass you're directly showing combat capabilities not administrative capbilities

[languid ore]

most of the time the info bearers die because you kill them or you die

[icy veldt]

The converse is also true: not everyone who wants to genocide the entire world is evil

[deep nebula]

She just wanted everyone to be happy in the worst way to go about it

[languid ore]

but the thing is it gives opposing forces more time to strategize when your empire already displays what you can do

rather than adapt the moment you initiate combat

[eager bluff]

ok

why be the hyper agressive one

that will objectively cause more issues for you

[icy veldt]

Idk, after Yharim's crusade I could see an argument in favor of her approach

[languid ore]

ok firstly, i expect these gods to be like some irrational beings

[deep nebula]

Think about it like this though if you're a human what could a single ant possibly do to you no matter how hard it tries

[split mortar]

I dont think you kill a auric dragon and absorb its soul while being that irrational

[eager bluff]

they are. People. them becoming gods did not suddenly make them lose literally all rationality

[languid ore]

you know what happens when money gets to people

most of them atleast

[eager bluff]

yeah

[languid ore]

i experienced it myself

[eager bluff]

im aware

[languid ore]

so power couldnt be any more different

also they killed dragons to become gods

[split mortar]

In calamity there is still people stronger then you after becoming a god

[eager bluff]

elon musk is still not trying to wage war across literally the entirety of the planet

[languid ore]

do you think a person who killed someone else for their own good would be rational enough for that

[icy veldt]

Dragons deserved it

[split mortar]

Like other gods

[split mortar]

Then that god would die quickly to people with a brain

[languid ore]

ok i have not read the lore extensively so could you tell me their crimes

[split mortar]

Or normal people who are just cracked

[eager bluff]

thats just avitus ignore him

[hoary cape]

Like half the dragons weren't bad

[languid ore]

yeah so perhaps instead of destroying the planet why cant we be silent

[hoary cape]

At least

[icy veldt]

Killing for self-benefit is very much a rational decision. The problem with it is that it's immoral. Morality is a separate concept from rationality

[split mortar]

Avitus is like the opposite of yharim
God good dragon bad

[languid ore]

true, but not all people are utilitarianistic

they might be emotionally driven

[hoary cape]

Some of the dragons were evil though and killing them benefited everyone else

[languid ore]

but

you havent answered me about why dragons are bad

[hoary cape]

Not all of them were

[eager bluff]

avitus sees yharim being bad and takes literally the polar opposite stance

[languid ore]

how exactly

people with a brain must have massive brains

[eager bluff]

avitus is very bad at nuance

[icy veldt]

And Yharim was evil, therefore my approach is good

[languid ore]

because you cant just simply kill a god that easily

[deep nebula]

Who's to say they viewed the dragons as their own? If a whale could give you super powers what human wouldn't try it?

[languid ore]

ok yeah i think avitus is trolling

[split mortar]

Yes

[languid ore]

but arent dragons like conscious

[eager bluff]

yeah so are most things

[split mortar]

Dragons and humans could not speak eachothers language so thats likely

[languid ore]

i mean self aware

human level intelligence

allat

dragons developed complex enough language

[split mortar]

Sapient

[languid ore]

which is not something animals do

[eager bluff]

that is known as sapience we still would probably hunt them

[deep nebula]

Doesn't help that much though 😭

[languid ore]

isnt the thought of killing someone who might have had attachment to their own stuff just wrong to a normal person

[icy veldt]

I'm not bad at it, I choose to ignore it. "An idiot admires complexity, while a genius admires simplicity"

[eager bluff]

congratulations! these dolphins have made their own language but they also give you superpowers when you kill them

people are going to kill those dolphins

[languid ore]

well i must be an idiot for breaking things down

which clearly i am not, but neither am i saying i am smart

[languid ore]

also is this modern era or medieval era

latter answer explains it

[icy veldt]

Shoving nuance into morality gets in the way of doing what's right

[deep nebula]

Someone who killed that dolphin was already bad to begin with while another might be the kindest person ever to other humans and killed that dolphin for the powers too

[eager bluff]

medieval

[languid ore]

ok that explains it

[eager bluff]

also even if it was modern day it would still be the same way

like

[languid ore]

nope

laws

[eager bluff]

poachers exist

[icy veldt]

Ancient/classical era, probably. Right before Yharim's crusade, most places were just starting to industrialize

[split mortar]

Its like 18somethingsomething

[eager bluff]

yeah congrats i just break the law

and now i have superpowers and a dolphin is dead

[icy veldt]

Though technological advancement varied widely depending on location, cf. Draedon's creator

[languid ore]

but arent dragons also called guardians

[split mortar]

Laws when the superpowered person who broke the law can now beat up a town

[eager bluff]

big scary monster aaaaaaaaah

[languid ore]

no like the moral implications

and possible impact to the planet itself

[eager bluff]

morality be damned i want my fucking superpowers

[wanton pendant]

If you found Aquaman's personal servant, and if you killed him you got super powers, someone's gonna try and kill him.

[languid ore]

there is no guarantee you know exactly how dragons work when they emerge

[split mortar]

Some were but generalising them all into that isnt gonna be true
Also flame dragon was prob a prick instead of that

[languid ore]

oh

[deep nebula]

Plus how many people even knew of the moonlord when the hunt for dragons started?

[eager bluff]

most

considering he had just destroyed chrysadia and caused a whole hell of a lot of damage elsewhere

[deep nebula]

Perhaps people starting feeling they could do a better job with said powers

[split mortar]

Yeah

[deep nebula]

And obviously others just wanted power for fame and glory

[eager bluff]

a big floating guy the size of mt everest destroying countries tends to not go unnoticed in the public eye even when news travels by horse at the fastest

[deep nebula]

[split mortar]

Especially since the guy has like
A migraine and insanity inducing aura

[deep nebula]

How many more bosses can be added in the future based on the lore?

[eager bluff]

3 at the maximum

[split mortar]

Yharim
Noxus
Xeroc

[eager bluff]

yharim potentially xeroc potentially noxus

[deep nebula]

💔

I need content to feed on

[split mortar]

Calamity is already bloated with too many bosses and unable to remove em due to multiple reasons

[split mortar]

Almost all bosses are gonna get completely changed from their current iteration

[deep nebula]

But but bosses fun new weapons and big numbers fun 😭

[long bloom]

you get non-boss content

[wanton pendant]

The current final bosses are two of the most powerful things to ever exist already.

[split mortar]

If you want many more bosses go play other mods or use the fargos dlc addon

[split mortar]

Tied for 6th or 5th place iirc

[deep nebula]

Nah I chose calamity and I will die with it

[split mortar]

Theres addons for calamity like hotog or catalyst or infernum or fargos dlc that add or chsnge stuff while still having calamity

[deep nebula]

Do you think bigger worlds or multiple worlds could fix some problems? (Ik it's an issue that relogic can't really fix) for me I always thought maybe the world might get too bloated when every boss spawns new ores into the world

Maybe I'm wrong and there is enough space for that

[eager bluff]

not really theres a lot of space in the underground

[real silo]

Fiammetta

[split mortar]

Subworlds exist
Calamity plans on using those to make the distortion

[deep nebula]

Okay that's good atleast 🥹

[split mortar]

Also uelibloom will be deleted and perennial may become a tree bark not a ore

[split mortar]

#calamity-update-talk message
future content doc if you wanna see cals plans

[deep nebula]

Alright let's have a look 👀

[pulsar ocean]

it snew

[wanton pendant]

What?

[long bloom]

what

[dusk laurel]

read my document

[leaden bridge]

so calamitous

[thick slate]

delete ts channel

[leaden bridge]

TRUE : TRUE TRUE ✅

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/birdbrain-teto-kasane-teto-jamiep-bop-gif-6775635206677407132

pretend i do not

do not see it

[limpid saddle]

one of these days we'll break the mod team

[cloud ibex]

no

[dusk laurel]

foolish ambitions to overcome

[pulsar ocean]

It happened

[thick slate]

put those foolish ambitions to rest

[pulsar ocean]

foul tarnished

[limpid saddle]

in search of the elden ring...

[limpid olive]

ok

who is noxus

xeroc is the monk that absorbed zeratros soul we know that from Prelude and Requiem

[young socket]

noxus is the boss of dog and the reason of the majority of distortion creatures being a hivemind

[long bloom]

super powerful distortion entity, probably using dog to slurp god essence from terraria

[limpid olive]

oh

ok

where do we see this in the lore items

[long bloom]

also probably made ceaseless void

[long bloom]

nowhere

[limpid olive]

makes sense

[long bloom]

there is zero information in the game

[young socket]

like two lines,,,,

[long bloom]

currently

[young socket]

draetalk mentions the hivemind, but not its source

[limpid olive]

ok makes sense cause ive done upwards of 20 playthroughs and i thought it was just something WotG adds

[young socket]

wotg is seperate and has nothing to do with noxus and xeroc anymore

[languid badge]

wrong channel I think

[abstract hedge]

Distortion thing, third most powerful being to ever exist, boss of DoG. Not mentioned anywhere ingame aside from being implied by DoG and SW lore items and draetalk.

[split mortar]

Where did we get creation of the distortion

[abstract hedge]

I remember hearing it at some point

I don't remember where though.

Looking at the lore doc I was wrong, probably misremembering something.

[wanton pendant]

The most important thing to remember about Noxus is that it's really big. That's also most of what we know about it.

[patent gull]

does calamitas like the idea of christmas or does she hate it

[cloud ibex]

she has no idea what the hell christmas is since christianity doesn't exist in cal but i'd imagine she'd think it's a neat concept

[abstract hedge]

Santa Claus exists though

Checkmate atheists

[sinful adder]

What if Christmas exists but it's exclusively the random stuff not associated with Christianity and no one remembers why it's called Christmas

Wait I know

What if like. The god of winter is named Chris

And made a holiday where people give each other gifts

To try and be seen as nice or something

Santa could be that god's blessed champion

[languid ore]

If the sun orbitted around terraria how does snow happen

[patent gull]

does santa claus the npc even have lore or is he just there

[cosmic minnow]

He Santa

Santa give presents

Santa explode violently after Christmas

[long bloom]

he is not canon to calamity

[patent gull]

ah very sad

[sinful adder]

The frost and pumpkin moons are also not canon

Even though they TOTALLY COULD BE

You just have to get creative with it

[agile matrix]

see i think there SHOULD be a festive holiday but it shouldn’t be christmas

[wanton pendant]

He is the sworn enemy of Everscream, and when that monster rises from its grave every 25th of December, Nicholas returns to smite it down.
Or at least, it should be, but the devs keep saying 'no, what the hell, we're not putting that in' and 'for the last time, we're not making Santa canon'.

[sinful adder]

It can be Krismas

Where Kris the god of Winter empowers his champion to give gifts to the world

Or something like that

[scenic olive]

what if astral meteor landed on the moon instead

[split mortar]

Then it has to deal with moonlord

[split mortar]

Xeroc vs kirby

[dusk laurel]

xeroc would convince kirby to terrorize the distortion

[split mortar]

Lmao

[distant smelt]

He’d find his way there on his own honestly

[plucky lichen]

I think the lantern nights are a canon holiday

[young socket]

they are

[plucky lichen]

Ok my memory isn’t fake

[young socket]

their roots stem from chrysadia

[agile matrix]

i mean like a christmas tier holiday

lantern nights are kinda like uhhh

what, new years?

[plucky lichen]

It’s more like a celebration of something happening

[agile matrix]

yea

4th of july

[plucky lichen]

Yeah that’s the best way to put it actually

[graceful falcon]

which boss is the biggest gambling addict

[pliant ruin]

old duke

[long bloom]

[daring rampart]

is yharim a lihzahrd?

or however the jungle temple guys are spelled

[eager bluff]

no

hasnt been one since like 2019

[split mortar]

Yharims racist against them

[abstract hedge]

He was in old lore but hasn't been one for years, he's just human.

Also you spelled it right I'm pretty sure.

[split mortar]

Yuh

[frosty charm]

GOBLESS 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[agile matrix]

if old duke had gotten an auric soul, what would they have been the dragon of?

[split mortar]

Faith because that was the last soul handed out

[agile matrix]

like did they run out

[split mortar]

Yes

[agile matrix]

ohh

[split mortar]

The world soul had a limited amount of shards

[long bloom]

they were all scooped up right before old fuck showed up

[storm leaf]

Why does the calamitas clone look nothing like calamitas?

[cloud ibex]

cause her sprite is ancient and hasn't been replaced yet

[storm leaf]

Ah. I thought there'd be a lore reason, lol

[young socket]

technically there is a lore reason but that reason only exists because ^^^

[tall delta]

what is the lore of moon lord drops

[long bloom]

the current bandaid is that her body is inside the eye

[long bloom]

sdmg isn't canon because it's crossover content, no idea about the rest

[mighty zenith]

space fuckery maybe?

i think its a similar case to wall of flesh

where the drops are more just for gameplay purposes than to make thematic sense

[split mortar]

I headcanon the last prism is in the big eye and thats how it fires the super mega fuck you beam

[pliant ruin]

the lore is that moon lord drops them when you kill it ☝️

[split mortar]

The lore of moon lords drops are up to you

[young socket]

thanks cheese

[pliant ruin]

youre welcome

[visual kiln]

lore discussion

[mighty zenith]

where

[visual kiln]

here

[soft flame]

hmm

[magic epoch]

i thought faith was a trilogy! ha Ha ha

[dusk laurel]

🍅

[magic epoch]

ow

[hoary cape]

Vanilla is a tomato

[soft flame]

lore.

[pulsar ocean]

do auric souls just linger in the air after you slime out the dragon waiting for either to get ritual’d or grabbed by yharon

[agile matrix]

not a clue

plus, im pretty sure you dont need to kill a dragon for it

iirc they can willingly give it if they feel so

[soft flame]

considering that they’re a drop upon defeating yharon i guess the former

[agile matrix]

yharon does not fully die when you kill him

[split mortar]

Yharon is the only one that teleports to aerie iirc
So yea they just exist

[pulsar ocean]

“You’re supposed to obey me!”
The 7 auric souls:

[soft flame]

he’s the dragon of rebirth yea

[abstract hedge]

They probably just stay in the body before Yharon takes them, idk.

[fallen quiver]

Anyone else view their terrarian as a more cosmic force sent to wipe the slate clean

Create a land of no gods and no dragons

[spice torrent]

eh, i see my terrarians coming there for a variety of reasons

[split mortar]

I dont
My terrarian is someone willingly sacrificing parts of themselves mentally and physically just so they can be strong enough to be yharims successor

Tho they are cosmic eventually ig since they become part moonlord at some point

[fallen quiver]

And then part dragon

[split mortar]

Heres the image not in the doc

[split mortar]

No

Mine does not become part dragon

[fallen quiver]

Don't you atune your soul to yharim or whatever the fire chicken is called

[eager bluff]

no

[fallen quiver]

Ah

[eager bluff]

you make the auric think you're attuned to an auric dragon but yharon is already attuned and afaik thats a one at a time deal

[split mortar]

That would not make you part dragon and yharon would not do that anyways he hates you

[leaden bridge]

we've expressed this before and we know why it doesn't happen but we do feel it's kinda funny the game kinda builds up to yo having a choice to absord yharon's soul ornot but you don't

itd be funny and itd piss off yharim so bad

[fallen quiver]

Doesn't matter what yharon wants tho
It's dead or at least as close to being dead as it can get

[eager bluff]

i mean yes it does matter

because you cant force it to attune to you

[split mortar]

^

[long bloom]

it'd kill him instantly

auric springlock

[eager bluff]

afaik attunement absolutely has to be a 2 way street, both parties have to want the attunement otherwise it doesnt work

either that or the dragon has to want it to work

and in the case of you and yharon you are not the dragon in the equation

[fallen quiver]

Honestly it's kinda good we dont take his soul all the gods look fucked up

[long bloom]

i don't think you conciously attune
it just sorta happens if ur compatible

[split mortar]

I should make a character doc for my terrarian once im done with my noxus take…

[eager bluff]

probably not consciously no but im pretty sure subconsciously there has to be that desire there

[long bloom]

maybe

[split mortar]

Silva seems fine

Wait she has shapeshifting nvm

[fallen quiver]

What would the god of rebirth be tho?

[long bloom]

we'll never know

[split mortar]

If you perfect ascend you would be rebirth domain still

[split mortar]

Otonilou wasnt changed either iirc and she not shapeshifter

[fallen quiver]

A catapiller who ascends to a giant butterfly before dying and restarting the process all over again

[long bloom]

also @eager bluff
#lore-discussion message

[leaden bridge]

there's plenty of reasons you can't ascend, from a narrative perspective the character doesn't even know what the process is, and from a gameplay perspective you can't just like Do That for incredibly obvious reasons, even if it was a perfect ascension

[split mortar]

Noxus gay

[long bloom]

melon i will juice you

[split mortar]

Whatgeshitwhyt

[icy veldt]

Nah, my purpose would be to avenge the gods by wiping out the world's entire non-god population

[leaden bridge]

let's commit five genocides in a row xeroc still would not give a shit

[wanton pendant]

Why didn't Yharim use /kill Xeroc? Is he stupid?

[leaden bridge]

He didn't have op

[abstract hedge]

Xeroc didn't give Yharim admin powers.

[feral skiff]

if you do a perfect ascension then the game would become boring since there’s nothing to challenge you

[abstract hedge]

But Xeroc doesn't do shit with his admin powers.

[feral skiff]

literally just an instant win button

for example if you do a perfect ascension with yharon, you complete skip over calamitas, exo mechs, yharim, and only like noxus or xeroc would be a threat

[abstract hedge]

Well yeah by the time you fight Yharon there's barely anything left so an ascension would increase your power enough to make the remaining bosses not an issue.

Xeroc would probably still win in a fight but the trial they put you through would be easier.

[sinful adder]

I've been thinking

[long bloom]

?

[sinful adder]

If yharim or the player did a perfect ascension I think they'd be able to beat xeroc. Not easily, but they'd have a shot

[pliant ruin]

with Yharon's soul yeah maybe

I can see it

[sinful adder]

Like a good shot. They'd need to win via skill still, but their power would be sufficient

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

Depends on the actual soul though like

ain't nobody beating xeroc with mf domain of gluttony

[sinful adder]

Lol yeah

Consider

Rebirth makes respawning canon in addition to granting extra power

Therefore the player gets better every attempt and eventually kills xeroc

[pliant ruin]

yeah i can see that

[sinful adder]

Cool idea I think

[long bloom]

but consider xeroc has been training their ass off for 850 years

[sinful adder]

Yeah. It wouldn't be easy, but being able to train beyond your limit and still try again is an advantage

You also might need to get extra help but there are sources of power in the world that you could seek and eventually find a way to utilize for an additional advantage that extra time will help you with

There's the thing though: no one would help yharim like that, and no one besides yharim could ever perfect ascend

Unless they find a way to like. Rewrite yharon's soul

And turn it into a blank auric soul like it was before it was granted to yharon

I wonder if that's possible

Now that I think about it

What was the process that granted an auric soul to a dragon?

And what form did that power take before those souls became tied to a dragon's identity?

We know there was a world soul at some point but there was presumably also some in between state of it being turned into auric dragons souls

[long bloom]

absorbing a shard of the world soul

[long bloom]

the shards made the dragon souls auric

[sinful adder]

We don't know the details of that

And that sounds a lot like the god ritual

[pliant ruin]

I mean we do know it was from the world soul shards

How exactly though, we don't

In the same way we don't know how the god ascencion ritual works

[warm gull]

example button

[pulsar ocean]

Gamersupps

I’m the ceo of gamersupps

[sinful adder]

I was under the impression that the dragons were born with their souls, but that was obviously wrong

[long bloom]

they were born with dragon souls

not auric souls

[sinful adder]

I see

[pulsar ocean]

does yharon like living forever

[languid ore]

holy shit the art

[languid ore]

whats the template i wnat this

[astral coyote]

This is so cute I love the tree bark stuff on her skin

[sinful adder]

Probably yes

[warm gull]

gorod krovi

[visual kiln]

Lore discussion

[languid ore]

thank you

wrong place

sorry

[dawn swift]

dragons aerie needs you to solve this quadratic equation to enable the cloaking device so the terrarian wont find us!

[swift badger]

What were the 2 people that tried to 2v1 Yharim but he no diffed them?

maybe not no diff

[young socket]

he didnt no diff them

he nearly died

😭

anyways it was braelor and statis

[swift badger]

did he win tho?

[random mulch]

DoG had to intervene

[young socket]

he only won because dog decided to step in

[split mortar]

Would have died if not for dog

[swift badger]

Did dog do more work or Yharim?

[split mortar]

Dog came in and sent both to the distortion right at the end
Yharim like actually fought them and stuff

[craggy sparrow]

For me my terrarian was forced into it

he was just another guy trying to make a living killing monsters, scavenging, eventually encountering the eye and got brought down the rabbit hole after that

[feral skiff]

my terrarian is Yharim

[limpid saddle]

Yharim after he discovers his 'apprentice' is actually himself after meeting him in the aerie (The Terrarian is him)

[split mortar]

This is yharim under the armour now

[long scaffold]

Someone said “Rest in peace to everyone killed by their gods for hubris. But I'm different. I'm better. Maybe even better than God.”
Is that something Yharim would say

[light moth]

For some reason I find it odd that the one, who was considered as the strongest amongst mortals, almost died to another mortals (terrarian doesnt count)
Maybe there is an explanation to why they managed to almost end the Godseeker, but it is just barely known who Braelor and Statis really are (for now)

[split mortar]

Braelor is the champion of silva and has her blessing
Silva due to being elemental of nature and goddess of life i imagine is super cracked at buffing people, also braelor himself is also quite cracked himself
Statis we have less info on iirc, being the last onyx kinsman has possible ties to signus before the forced distortion visit so thats a possible reason (still below braelor in power iirc)

Also yharim didnt have exo tech back then and so was weaker to what we will fight

[light moth]

Also
Some questions after reading the doc
If Silva was cast aside at the Abyss, does this mean that the player could potentially find her there?
And if Yharim gave Draedon his Auric armor for the upgrade, could this mean that Draedon saw his face?

[cloud ibex]

that's the plan and yes probably

[light moth]

Oh
Okay, I got it

[split mortar]

She would be the green pod but yeah she may get added in the game eventually as a background thing
Doubt she will be all that sapient or moving tho

[light moth]

Okaaaaay

Now I wonder would happen if Braelor and Statis met Calamitas or Yharon
Would they manage to kill them or they would not reach them due to them being more ranged combatants?

Or they would not have met as Yharim was their concrete target

[light moth]

Ah wait
Calamitas left Yharim’s army before that
How could I forget

[split mortar]

Probably would not have went as good due to the more range yharon and scal have
But also
Fire on someone who has wood armour
Lol

[light moth]

Imagine if Calamitas somehow joined forces with those two while they were fighting Yharim
Our auric old man would’ve begged for his prayers

[split mortar]

Yharim would have been folded

[light linden]

been wondering

is the astral infection tied to a specific type of magic?

or is its unique appearance solely because of too much mana?

[hybrid barn]

As far as we know, yeah, it's just what happens when there's too much concentrated mana to the point of "corrupting"

[fickle rune]

Dumb question but are there any bosses in the lore that are not actually killed by the terrarian ? Like do they reincarnate or just escape before they get fatally wounded ? Of course except for calamitas and the exo mechs

[dusk laurel]

deus doesnt get killed but instead you free it of the infection and it flies off

[fickle rune]

Astrum deus ?

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[fickle rune]

Oh cool i had no idea about that

[cloud ibex]

probably cause it's barely indicated to in-game at the moment, if at all

[fickle rune]

Yeah he just disappears after defeated

The elementals survive too ? I presume killing them doesn't mean perma death right ? Since they incarnations of nature

[eager bluff]

yeah elementals dont technically die

[hybrid barn]

Yeah, those ones can't really die until their respective elements are destroyed, I'm pretty sure

[fickle rune]

Meaning that silva probably will be a boss in the future or maybe a npc

[split mortar]

Nah yharim liquidated her

[fickle rune]

[split mortar]

This her rn

[hybrid barn]

Unlikely to be a boss, but being able to see her as a post-game NPC would be cool

Or maybe something like if Calamity ever gets its own credits like Terraria's

[fickle rune]

there's still hope

[split mortar]

Why would she be a boss

[fickle rune]

Just thinking it would be cool

[cloud ibex]

she's a bit too preoccupied recovering from being put in the woodchipper again to do much of anything

and i don't think she'd have much of a reason to fight you

but i suppose in theory if she ever recovered she could talk to you

[fickle rune]

To be fair it could happen something to her like being captured by draedon or being corrupted by something

[long bloom]

yeah she ain't getting out of the eel pit in the timeframe of your playthrough

[hybrid barn]

Could just be me, but I feel like she'd be the least corruptable being in the world, she's basically the essence of life itself

[long bloom]

no u right

[fickle rune]

Just to make sure calamitas clone is cooked ?

[fickle rune]

Nah that makes sense

[long bloom]

cooked how

[split mortar]

Dead i think

[fickle rune]

Yeah

[long bloom]

we'll probably have the option to spare her in the future

[fickle rune]

Bro i hope

[hybrid barn]

I think CalClone currently dies in your fight with her, but there are plans for her to survive in the future

[fickle rune]

Personally i hate killing her

[hybrid barn]

I think Triangle was the main one to talk about that stuff, so he'd probably be the best person to ask

[long bloom]

triangle

[split mortar]

Draedon survives

[fickle rune]

For now

[hybrid barn]

I don't think Draedon counts, you don't fight him

and the mechs definitely don't survive

[long bloom]

you can't kill him

[fickle rune]

exactly for now

[long bloom]

no it's just not feasible

[cloud ibex]

draedon is the least immortal out of the practically immortal creatures in cal

in theory it's possible

[long bloom]

it's like trying to destroy all traces of the internet

[cloud ibex]

realistically though? not happening

[split mortar]

Go kill the internet but its made of super metal and has nukes

[fickle rune]

Oh yeah i forget he's like brainiac

[long bloom]

💀

that's his entire character

[hybrid barn]

Which is actually kind of funny! I know it's all the better for him either way since he gets to test the limits of your strength in full, but the exo mechs are something he spent hundreds of years building up to and refining, his magnum opus-

And you tear them apart in the span of an afternoon

[fickle rune]

My memory not the best one chief

[cloud ibex]

and the most of a reaction he gives is "damn. that's wild"

"anyway"

[hybrid barn]

And after the fact, you start throwing one of their spines around as a weapon

[fickle rune]

This puts me to think if he is capable of like, have a backup of the exo mechs in case they get destroyed

[cloud ibex]

he could make more but it'd take a while and would be very costly

[hybrid barn]

He probably has plenty of schematics, but I don't imagine he just has a second group for backup purposes

[long bloom]

and there's no real reason for him to do so

he got what he wanted

[cloud ibex]

and i don't think he'd bother making another set yeah

not much more he could gain from doing the same thing a second time

[fickle rune]

Or he probably just planning to make something more powerful than them

Exo moon lord

[long bloom]

i highly doubt it

[split mortar]

The guys planning to go to the moon not make exos 2.0 rn

iirc

[long bloom]

the exos are the pinnacle of his craft

[hybrid barn]

Exo moon

[long bloom]

amphibia reference?

[fickle rune]

Exo moon lord
Name: Typhon

[mighty zenith]

Poseidon*

[split mortar]

Exo fovos would be weaker then prime fovos

[long bloom]

neptune*

[mighty zenith]

ew roman myths...

[hybrid barn]

Uranus*

[long bloom]

true

[long bloom]

also true

[mighty zenith]

actually chronos would be a good name for exo moon lord i think

[long bloom]

wait cook

[fickle rune]

Cook cook

[hybrid barn]

I decided to actually look up what Uranus is the god of since I didn't actually know, and I didn't expect it to just be...the sky, I thought it'd be closer thematically to Neptune

[mighty zenith]

it makes sense

zeus usurped him

and became the god of the sky instead

[icy veldt]

Uranus is the Latinized name of the Greek sky god Ouranos, while the actual Roman equivalent was named Caelus

[hybrid barn]

yeah, I'll admit I just don't know a lot about Greek mythos

[languid badge]

Well I mean not exactly

[mighty zenith]

i mean he killed him right

[hybrid barn]

Very interesting stuff though, I should do more research in the future

[pliant ruin]

hi lore chat what aare we conmvoing them about

what are we

discussin

[mighty zenith]

greek mythology ig

[hybrid barn]

Greek

[icy veldt]

Chrysadia or smth idk

[split mortar]

Exo moonlord getting a god or titan name

[mighty zenith]

man i wanna play hades 2

[cosmic zenith]

Kronos castrated Ouranos, then Zeus usurped Kronos

[mighty zenith]

oh right yeah

[languid badge]

^

[icy veldt]

Ouch

[mighty zenith]

i always mix them up

my b

[pliant ruin]

first its primordial light ml

now its exo moo nlod

[long bloom]

hi stip

[pliant ruin]

how many more moonr lords should i know about?

necromantically revived moonlord: meow

[long bloom]

sun lord

[icy veldt]

Profaned moon

[hybrid barn]

And are Kronos and Chronos different, or are they different spellings of the same name?

[cosmic zenith]

Zeus would've been killed by his son with Metis but he uh
Absorbed Metis Auric-soul style before that happened

[mighty zenith]

they're different

[split mortar]

So
Ml = ouranos
Zeratros = kronos
Xeroc = zeus
?

[languid badge]

No

[mighty zenith]

kronos was a titan and chronos was the god of time

[cosmic zenith]

Different Gods that are often mixed up

[hybrid barn]

Interesting

[icy veldt]

Different. Chronos starts with the Greek letter chi Χχ, while Kronos starts with the letter kappa Κκ

[cosmic zenith]

None of these comparisons are very accurate

[pliant ruin]

Iirc one of them is associated with harvests and is kind ofa chill guy (atleast for greek deity standards) and the other is chronos aka the time titan whos like the greek mythology equivalent of ml becasuse everything that happens ever is his fault in some way

[mighty zenith]

kronos is sometimes called cronus to differenciate them more

[cosmic zenith]

The Greek sequence of rulers has an entirely different context

[eager bluff]

different but i believe in more modern times they've been more mixed together as one thing rather than 2 unique things

[pliant ruin]

Do not quote me on this though

i am

extremely rustyt on my greek myth kknowledge

[mighty zenith]

you got them backwards i think

chronos the god of time was pretty chill

[cosmic zenith]

Kronos (harvest) is the father of Zeus, not Chronos (time)

[pliant ruin]

ah

[mighty zenith]

kronos/cronus the titan was the asshole

[cosmic zenith]

Kronos is the fucked up child-eating titan

[icy veldt]

Wait, hold on, I've got an actually lore-related question: is Chrysadia meant to be Ancient Greek or Modern Greek? Because the spelling "fovos" for φοβος is based on the sounds from Modern Greek (e.g. beta β = /v/ and not /b/) while the spelling "phobos" is based on the Ancient Greek pronunciation (e.g. phi φ = /pʰ/ and not /f/)

[cosmic zenith]

Chrysadia is neither, it's its own thing

[pliant ruin]

It's just inspired

[languid badge]

I don’t think ml really has an analogy in Greek myths
The closest thing I guess would be the giants? But even then they were a collective not one singular

[pliant ruin]

It dosen't have to be 1 = 1

[icy veldt]

Well yeah I know that

What I meant was, is its language meant to be inspired by Ancient Greek or by Modern Greek?

[cosmic zenith]

It doesn't have a conlang

Well, a thoroughly described one

[mighty zenith]

yeah there isnt a necessarily ultimate destructive force in greek myths i dont think

[cosmic zenith]

But it'd be a mix of both Greek languages and Tolkien's elven languages (Sindarin and Quenya)

[icy veldt]

I figured as much. Still, the fact that its name for the Moon Lord is spelled Fovos implies a closer similarity with Modern Greek than with Ancient Greek

[icy veldt]

👀

[cosmic zenith]

In general terms, it's inspired in some ways by Ancient Greece, but Fovos is a modern Greek name to reflect how it was created very late into Chrysadia's history (literally its last year as a nation)

It was also a fun red herring to make it 5-letter, just like Noxus heh

[icy veldt]

Ah, makes sense. IRL the sound changes for φ and β to take their modern pronunciations had already finished by the 10th century in the ERE

[split mortar]

Xeroc also being 5

The top 3 of calamity all have 5 letter names

[icy veldt]

Noxus, Fovos, and Xeroc also have similar spelling patterns: consonant-vowel-consonant-vowel-consonant

[cosmic zenith]

True

It's funny how it's

roman-greek-xerox but cooler

[split mortar]

Roman greek printer company

[cosmic zenith]

It also makes sense that Noxus would get a similar name

[icy veldt]

Now we just need a Germanic language or smth

[split mortar]

What do you mean by this

[cosmic zenith]

Since Noxus was likely named in the context of the Dragon Cult, who would be intelectuals (latin was used as an erudite language for quite some time) tied to the Dragons (like Chrysadia was)

It's a sort of pseudo-lore I really appreciate

[icy veldt]

Coquam tum edam Noxum (||I am going to cook and eat Noxus||)

[languid badge]

What did the dragon cult actually like… do
Like what were they using that dungeon for before Yharim came along

[pulsar ocean]

does mahoraga jjk beat yharim

[long bloom]

you ain't melon

[long bloom]

failing to revive dragons

that's what they did

also captured and studied cv

while using it as a battery

[pulsar ocean]

How if cv is post cultist

[long bloom]

cv has existed for centuries

they captured it a while ago

[pulsar ocean]

I mean as in it’s stronger than their strongest asset

[long bloom]

we don't know if lc is their strongest

[hybrid barn]

I think it's only stronger because of how many hexes were put into the thing by them

That's what I've heard at least

[long bloom]

also cv isn't sentient, the cultists just put a shit ton of spells on it to nuke people in self defense

[hybrid barn]

Ye ye, I think it was just a portal before they got to it

[pulsar ocean]

wow so noxus is actually chill and everyone could get in and out of distortion

[long bloom]

yeah

don't look at leegrid in the corner though

ignore him

it was forbidden to go in cv for a reason

[feral skiff]

The Void does not Cease..

[feral skiff]

Distortion

[long bloom]

✅

[pulsar ocean]

are you calamitas

[feral skiff]

no

im spy

[fickle rune]

by what it says in the lore a dragon can only be permanently killed if it's auric soul is absorved, so that means yharon has reincarnated somewhere ?

[long bloom]

yes

because he's the dragon of rebirth, his soul teleports to the dragon aerie when he dies

he turns back into an egg and is reborn in a decade's time

the reason dragons permanently died when their souls were absorbed is because without the soul, yharon could no longer revive them

[fickle rune]

dragon aerie is the subworld that will be added in the future right ?

[long bloom]

yeah

the place you'll fight yharim

[fickle rune]

when i first heard about this i thought were going to add a giant mountain in the normal world

but yeah a subworld makes more sense

[long bloom]

me too lol

[pliant ruin]

Worth noting though

While the "Main" and most well known method of doing so is, well

[abstract hedge]

The aerie isn't even a mountain btw

[long bloom]

everything we know about the dragon aerie is the following:
) it's reportedly a gigantic sky island
) it's probably gonna be mainly orange
) yharim is waiting at the grave of light, presumably where zeratros died
) to my knowledge, the leading theory on why nobody can find it is because it only exists in the past

[pliant ruin]

an ascencion ritual, where a dragon's auric soul merges with that of a mortal, permanently destroyign the dragon themselves and making them a part of the mortal (Who'd now be a god)

[abstract hedge]

Not yet but it will eventually, it just takes a while.

[pliant ruin]

there is atleast one other implied way for this to happen

that being whatever the fuck moon lord was doing

[long bloom]

ml is implied to have the ability to permanently kill dragons yes

somehow

[fickle rune]

i presumed it was like a very giant mountain with a lot of dragons that you could see in the background

[pliant ruin]

The aerie likely has some sort of fucked up magic barrier that keeps it completely invisible and unattainable to most

[fickle rune]

and that yharim would be at the peak waiting for the challenge

[pliant ruin]

Not everyone, but most

Draedon himself scouted the entire planet and was not able to find it

I do have a theory in regards to this

Only auric dragons and those attuned to them can go there

[abstract hedge]

The rest of the dragons are all dead, though if the theory it's in the past is right (never heard it until now) there could be some I guess.

[pliant ruin]

Yharon and Yharim can go there for Obvious Reasons

You'd be able to go there because of your mock- attunement with Yharon soul shards

And, based on the idea GOd of War killed Yharon

Maybe that guy was also just attuned to a dragon too

Or atleast, something that'd count as it

(Frankly wouldn't be usrprised if he was also mock-attuned based)

Specifically mock attuning himself so he could go to the aeriea nd kill yharon and/or any other dragons there

[fickle rune]

xeroc would be able to enter in the dragon aerie ?

[pliant ruin]

There is a common theory that he was attuned to Zeratros

So

[fickle rune]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

His pre-ascencion design has what appears to be an auric mask

Which'd require attunement to wear in theory

[languid badge]

Wait where was this implied

[pliant ruin]

And he was like Zeratros's right hand man so

Or well maybe not necessarily that

But a monk in his servicel ateast

[pliant ruin]

Deductional line

[long bloom]

in that he wiped out a ton of dragons and they never recovered

[pliant ruin]

Moon lord culled by the population of dragons by a massive amount, a catastrophe like never seen before

If they could've just rebrith this... wouldnt really be that big of an issue

And we also know that there are less gods than dragons, yet most dragons are dead nowadays save for yharon

[languid badge]

Idk I feel like that can be explained without resorting to “moon lord has plot magic that lets him kill dragons”

[pliant ruin]

Just putting these bits of info together

[long bloom]

how

[pliant ruin]

That's a very dumbed down way of looking at it

[cloud ibex]

zeratros' life being "lost forever" certainly implies his rebirth was cut off somehow

[pliant ruin]

Anything cna be called "plot magic" if its not explained properly

And, in this case

we are simply lacking info

[languid badge]

Maybe I just misunderstand how dragon rebirth works

[long bloom]

yharon has to use their auric soul to revive them

no soul, no revive

i think

[languid badge]

Ok yeah that’s more or less what I figured

My thought process has always been that yharon just didn’t have time

[long bloom]

he's like
the second most powerful dragon

[pliant ruin]

• The dragons population was culled to catastrophic levels
• They were not able to recover afterwards - Currently, (auric) dragons are effectively extinct save for Yharon
• We know there was a smaller total of gods than the total of dragons, implying some dragons would've had to be killed not by gods

[long bloom]

just behind zeratros

[languid badge]

That kind of reinforces my point

[pliant ruin]

If they could've rebirth it would be nowhere be near as much of an issue. I suppose theoretically Yharon coudl've just been taken down for the ML fight yeah

But also

Why wouldn't he just rebirth them aftewards, in that case?

[long bloom]

it's not like auric souls dissolve immediately like god souls

[languid badge]

Because the aftermath of ml being defeated was the big dragon hunt

[pliant ruin]

Yeah the fact Auric souls are fair more stable is why they're able to be abosrbed to begin with

[languid badge]

Was it not

[abstract hedge]

Not immediately

[long bloom]

that was over the span of decades to like a century+

[pliant ruin]

I do'nt think dragons would've all died out iwthin the ~10 years of Yharon not being alive

Not to mention

[abstract hedge]

The hunts only began after Xeroc ascended, and even then Yharon could still be reviving dragons cause they didn't all go extinct in a month.

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc was the (likely unwilling) kickstasrter to it

And this does, in fact

factor in my bias towards Xeroc and my interprretation of his character and why he did what he ended up doing

But i do not think Xeroc would've killed Zeratros if he knew he would've come back

[abstract hedge]

Yeah the one lore item literally says when the dragon king's eternal death seemed inevitable or something right?

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t yharon just do mitosis and give a half of his soul to another dragon

[abstract hedge]

Wait no I'm thinking of the lore doc thing NVM.

[young socket]

no its in the whisper

"Zeratros himself was gravely injured. It seemed his power, along with his life, would be lost forever."

[abstract hedge]

Oh I was right

[young socket]

important part being the "power" part

cuz that would only refer to his auric soul

[abstract hedge]

The wording I was thinking of was the lore doc version though.

[languid badge]

Side note but like is there anything implying auric souls can’t just pass on normally

If soul+ yharon = revive and soul + mortal = ascension, would soul + nothing just result in the soul just sitting there until one of those 2 things happens

[young socket]

yes

[abstract hedge]

Probably

It'd just sit there until Yharon resurrected them or someone somehow got the ritual and performed it.

[hybrid barn]

This actually makes me wonder, was this also the case for other dragons?

[abstract hedge]

Only with Yharon's assistance cause he's the dragon of rebirth.

It'd be weird if being resurrected on your own wasn't exclusive to the dragon of rebirth.

[pulsar ocean]

Does xeroc not gaf about his godly buddies

[hybrid barn]

I just wasn't sure because the concepts and elements represented by the dragons don't seem to rely on them in most cases

So it makes me wonder if rebirth is different

[languid badge]

And then follow up question
If nothing happens, is the soul capable of… anything, on its own, is it just stationary? Could an auric soul be buried by an earthquake or swallowed by the ocean?

[hybrid barn]

Evidently, it's able to be absorbed (to some degree) into bits of stone around the planet