lore-discussion

[agile matrix]

you can be racist and not sapient

[pliant ruin]

no you

you literally cant

[normal mantle]

He has a name?

Peak

[pliant ruin]

jared is just a fan name

[agile matrix]

hold on googling smth

[long bloom]

his name is jared canonically trust

[pliant ruin]

its mostly a joke

But anyways

[agile matrix]

okay yes i have the right word

[pulsar ocean]

Would old duke be British

[agile matrix]

i did not know old duke was sapient

i thought he was sentient

[normal mantle]

Sure ✌️😭

[long bloom]

nop he's a guy

a dude

[agile matrix]

bros a fish that does nothing but be old and have a shitty fight

i know like maybe three seconds of lore on him

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

i did not know he could have plans nor attempt to enslave an actually gigantic worm

[pliant ruin]

so tired of duke slander literally every boss in this mod is dogshit 😭

[long bloom]

he can't enslave jared because he can't go in the abyss

[hybrid barn]

In lore, he's one of the dragons from the era where the world soul fragments were being handed out, I think, he was just one of the unlucky ones that never got one. So he'd be about as sapient as Yharon probably

[pulsar ocean]

Did dukes degrade overtime is duke fishron not sapient

[agile matrix]

i NEED someone to draw old duke saying dr doofinshmirtz lines

[pliant ruin]

Ok not literally every but like 90% of them

[normal mantle]

What’s the lore on Jared actually

[long bloom]

old duke isn't a fishron

[random mulch]

old duke is worse than just a bad boss, it's derivative

[normal mantle]

Is he not the oldest living fishron?

[pliant ruin]

no

[long bloom]

not anymore

[pliant ruin]

wont be anymore

hes being rebonr as a loptus flower

Will have no connections to fishrons whatsoever

[long bloom]

loptus

[pulsar ocean]

Right forgot about the resprite that makes him look like Betsy’s grandpa

[drifting canyon]

old duke when every worm boss walks into the room;

[hybrid barn]

Reboner as a loptus

[long bloom]

scrapped

[agile matrix]

it will improve the status quo of old duke massively if you make him put his flippers together and say "well Yharon i'm going to make an ANTI-AURIC BOMB!!! and it'll go off in, oh, i don't know, TEN MINUTES!!! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH"

[pliant ruin]

See that's the thing, people always talk about all other bosses like "oh the future plans are cool!" but with old duke specifically people judge him SOLELY on what he is right now

[pulsar ocean]

What the fuck does he look like now

[pliant ruin]

like why ain't people doing this with ravager bro he's dogshit ingame rn

😭 😭

[long bloom]

no clue

[agile matrix]

we've seen ravager changes

we know that he's gonna be a gorilla

we dont know what old dukes gonna be

[pliant ruin]

We also know alot of old duke changes

We do yeah

[long bloom]

bc ravager has actual lore

[normal mantle]

Barely related but I think it’s so funny that the avatar of emptiness, who’s the closest thing we have to the literal devil in terraria, goes out of his way to slime out grandpa duke

[agile matrix]

show me .

[pliant ruin]

Slander not being tolerated

[agile matrix]

this too

[pliant ruin]

Old Duke also does ...

[long bloom]

not really

[pulsar ocean]

Why tho

[pliant ruin]

He literally does 😭

The whole ass lore triangle talked about

Multiple times

[young socket]

cog in lore disc jumpscare

[long bloom]

still not 100% established, also nothing is in game

[pliant ruin]

Neither is

[long bloom]

too much pig

[pliant ruin]

ravager

[hybrid barn]

I think it's because while it's DoGshit as a boss gameplay-wise, it's still interesting lorewise and has the indication of potential
As far as casual players know right now, Old Duke is just an old ass Duke

[agile matrix]

old duke lore: "im RACIST. and HATE dragons. and MAN i wanted that soul. and now im RACIST."
ravager lore: when the god of sacrifice fell, the world shuddered upon itself. (insert 10 minutes of lore)

[pulsar ocean]

I’m old and I like enslaving youngins hohoho
Isn’t that his whole lore

[long bloom]

ravager lore is in game???
the lore item and bestiary

[pliant ruin]

I think old duke just has such dogshit reputation that people don't evne give him a chance to begin with its quite unfortunate

[agile matrix]

what is there to give

[wanton pendant]

Yharon lore: Long before time had a name, the first Spinjitzu master...

[agile matrix]

he's part of a halfassed event t3

[pliant ruin]

Stop judging on whats currently ingame

Most things currently ingame suck

[agile matrix]

what am i to judge on then

[long bloom]

i agree with you, i'm just explaining the perspective

[agile matrix]

their lack of storytelling?? racism tier list????

[hybrid barn]

Concepts for the future

[pulsar ocean]

Most are probably better than old duke

[pliant ruin]

Atleast hear out the ideas for the future before making your judgement

[agile matrix]

show em

ping me in update talk

[pliant ruin]

I am trying to

yes

You can take a look at the doc in pins for one

[agile matrix]

i hate reading

[hybrid barn]

Also I will say that I've seen the same kind of stuff, funny enough, for the Sunken Sea in it's entirety

[drifting canyon]

skill issue

[hybrid barn]

I keep seeing people say stuff like "Why would they focus on this biome so much anyways? There's nothing to do there"

[agile matrix]

blink sound effect

[long bloom]

the lore doc

not future doc

[agile matrix]

the LORE doc??? you said the future doc!

[long bloom]

new lore doc specifically

[agile matrix]

brrro

[long bloom]

no they said the doc in pins

pins of this channel

[agile matrix]

he has a paragraph

[long bloom]

ok?

[pliant ruin]

Most characters only have one paragraph in that doc

[agile matrix]

this does not change the fact he has a paragraph

[pliant ruin]

Yeah ?

[agile matrix]

idk im a huge old duke hater because i hate his fight and dont like acid rain as an event

like. in general

[pliant ruin]

good thing

that his fight is going to be entirely redone

and so is acid rain

and hwe ont be part of acid rain

[long bloom]

that applies to everything though

[agile matrix]

i adore the abyss and am fine with the sulph sea

[long bloom]

the whole mod is bad

[agile matrix]

but i just dont like acid rain as a concept

[pliant ruin]

Tbf not the ENTIRE mod but broadly speaking alot of the content yeah

Best part of calamity in terms of quality is alot of its

admittedly

really well made gear

[hybrid barn]

Why not? Genuinely curious

[agile matrix]

it feels like they had to add an event just for the sake of fitting a quota than actually having an idea for the event

like yea a place irradiated would have acid rain, but that could just be a weather event and not an entire extra event to the game

[hybrid barn]

Ah- well if it helps at all, they're going to be revamping it in the future so it has more of an identity to it

[agile matrix]

when theres entire areas that could have more cool stuff if they felt it

[pliant ruin]

His entire character is literally directly putting a hole in Yharim's ideology as he is a dragon that is unarguably evil
Suree, he's not an auric dragon, but he is functionally as close as you can get to one without being one. If he had been born just a little earlier he would've been one of them
Not only that but Old Duke is a great way to explore the nuances of Dragon Society since his entire position currently is one born from disdain towards them because atleast in his eyes, they were unfair to him and didn't accept them as one of his own, and i think you can explore both sides of that. Where there dragons that actually discriminated against him? Possibly. On the other hand, it would also be interesting if some were willing to accept him despite his lack of auric-ness, but he was too blinded by jealously and pettyiness to accept that

[hybrid barn]

It'll be more like an actual gauntlet than just like...Sandstorm 2: Sulphurous Sea edition

[pliant ruin]

Acting as if there is literally Nothing There to his character just due to his admittedly shitty current ingame implementation is unfair imo because you could say the same for like, Evil2

And Evil2 plans singlehandednly make them one of the most important bosses ot the entire story

[agile matrix]

if it was specifically post aquatic scourge and never again, i would be happy

[hybrid barn]

Sadly, many people do

[pliant ruin]

Like it's fine to not know the plans obviously

This stuff is mostly just shared on discord

[agile matrix]

but see i dislike them as a boss while evil2 is just a nothingburger that i dont care about

[pliant ruin]

It's just annoying to me when people don't even try to engage wit hsaid plans to begin with 😭

[agile matrix]

their plans (which i didnt know existed publicly) dont entice me when their current (and probable starting point) sucks

[hybrid barn]

That's the thing about it, though! They're updating him because he sucks ass

[pliant ruin]

yeah but again everything is like that

everything. everything starting point sucks right now

[hybrid barn]

They're fully aware of that, and that's why he's being improved on

[agile matrix]

fighting a nothingburger v. fighting a boss that actively is not fun to play are two different things

[pliant ruin]

yeah but his fight is being entirely redone

his current fight should not be used as a reference point

[agile matrix]

i have no perspective then

[pliant ruin]

frankly none of calamiy's bosses should be

[agile matrix]

if its being entirely redone, i have naught to reference, and cannot make opinions further than the current as

thats whats there.

[hybrid barn]

Maybe Calamitas?

[pliant ruin]

Like all of their ais are just mishmashes of vanilla they're being burnt down to the ground

[hybrid barn]

SCal, I mean

[agile matrix]

every thing likely has to start somewhere, they cant just look at how the boss previously was and give it the middle finger

[pliant ruin]

they can

they're doing that

[agile matrix]

so when i play new old duke, not a single aspect from their old fight will be there

not a single sprite nor name nor concept

[hybrid barn]

Sometimes you can when the place that it's starting from has no redeeming qualities

[pliant ruin]

yeah man the fact old duke is a sulphur sea boss thats a dragon is gonna stay

[limpid saddle]

600 messages in little more than an hour what the fuck happened here

[agile matrix]

i know its sprites are being redone thats the same for like. literally everything

[pliant ruin]

not just sprites

[agile matrix]

i know that

i know.

[pliant ruin]

you underestimate how much this mod is intent on changing

[agile matrix]

you can rest man im gonna diss the guy no matter what you said

[hybrid barn]

This is normal, it happens in Spoiler Update Talk pretty regularly

Mostly because there's typically a handful of people typing messages every minute

[agile matrix]

until i have a steadfast look at his fight and get to put my own two ramdashes into it im gonna call it and the guy i fight dogshit because thats just how i hold its current in my head

[pulsar ocean]

Even exos?

[agile matrix]

exos are dogshit as well

rungod

[hybrid barn]

Exos are ass, they're just solid in terms of spritework

[long bloom]

exos are being redone very soon

[agile matrix]

they look cool but they arent good to fight

[long bloom]

all the devs fucking despise the fight

[agile matrix]

and i know this and can safely say this because i can envision a change

[pulsar ocean]

I haven’t played basecal in like two years I don’t know how bad it is on the boss front

[agile matrix]

add a bit more hitscan and a bit better tracking and its fne

[limpid saddle]

i didnt know exos were considered ass

[hybrid barn]

People were fine with them for a time, but times have changed, and the general bar for quality has raised with it

[agile matrix]

the difference between old duke being bullshit and exos being dogshit is that exos have a visible issue and obvious problems

old duke does not; its entire fight sucks

[hybrid barn]

They're alright for the mod's current general quality, but most bosses suck

[agile matrix]

if anything, a new name to refer to the future duke would be appreciated

since i hate the current one but hold no opinion on its future

[long bloom]

he's getting renamed yeah

[pulsar ocean]

New boss
Old douche

[agile matrix]

just give him a future name and i can call old duke bad while not holding opinion on new duke

[pliant ruin]

I'm not saying you should Like the future plans or something, you are entitled to whatever stance you have on the fight and without actually experience something better it is reasonable to not change your opinion
I just think the discussions of what currently Is and what is Planned To Be should be treated as entirely separate because frankly that's basically what it is and discussing a character's upcoming lore only to be met with compalinst about its boss fight ingame currently is annoying, like Not What I'm Talking About

[hybrid barn]

He needs to be called this on GFB

[pliant ruin]

Specially because i can't ever fucking talk about this pig without SOMEONE coming in to talk about how dogshit he is 😭

[young socket]

hey cheese did you know old duke is just duke fishron 2

[pliant ruin]

how it feels to not actually play calamity mod so i dont care about how any of the gameplay operates

[young socket]

bet you didnt know that huh

[hybrid barn]

He won't be a Duke anymore, so Boomer Duke won't make sense

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-gif-14887144685173519659

[long bloom]

one of the old candidates that's not being used anymore was the decrepit king

[agile matrix]

most dont know him for the lore they know him for a very bad fight and some know him because he's racist

[random mulch]

sick name tbh

[limpid saddle]

real

[dusk laurel]

guys remember shinryu 🥹 💔

[pulsar ocean]

no

[pliant ruin]

shinryu

[long bloom]

yeah i was trying to remember

[pliant ruin]

i remember

[long bloom]

jade palace when

@ triangle

[hybrid barn]

I like it, though it makes me wish more bosses had actual names and not just titles, if that makes sense

[distant smelt]

Guys is this lore

[long bloom]

TRUE

[pulsar ocean]

Will they add city of steel from silksong to calamity mod

[long bloom]

this has been a problem for me for so long you don't understand

[dusk laurel]

Okay

[pliant ruin]

it is me valeria calamity

the brimstone witch

[pulsar ocean]

it is me borbus the old dragon

[hybrid barn]

Like "Decrepit King, [Insert name]" could work, but I think the title on its own doesn't really have the gravitas somehow

[pliant ruin]

o agree tbh

decrepit king by itself dosent sound as cool

[long bloom]

the decrepit king bowser

[pulsar ocean]

decrepit king recipe browser

[dusk laurel]

take a bow, sir

[hybrid barn]

...

You said Ike-

[pulsar ocean]

so is yhorm getting added in sso

[dusk laurel]

this is a kozz message

[pulsar ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/tomascore-horse-angel-devil-two-sides-gif-7377623799321543700

[long bloom]

ip grabber

[pliant ruin]

this is how it feels to be a old duke fan

dont fuck with us theres 4 of us

[agile matrix]

i like uhhh

whats his name

[pulsar ocean]

Gorthus

[agile matrix]

no

[pulsar ocean]

Armored digger

[agile matrix]

hardmode boss

[dusk laurel]

how specific

[pulsar ocean]

Queen slime

[agile matrix]

what boss was it

i remember liking its fight a while ago

[pulsar ocean]

is it hekate

[agile matrix]

not ravager not aureus not deus

[random mulch]

plaguebringer goliath?

[agile matrix]

calamity fan tryna find a boss they like thats not modded

[agile matrix]

no i didnt like its insistence on dashing

[normal mantle]

Do you not remember any detail about the boss you like 😭

[agile matrix]

dude i dont

[pulsar ocean]

Ur thinking of cryogen

[agile matrix]

it mighta been cryogen i remember liking them

either them or brimmy

[normal mantle]

Folly?

[agile matrix]

i think it was brimmy

[agile matrix]

no folly is boring

[normal mantle]

I remember when dragonfolly was fat 👴

[pulsar ocean]

Brimmy is a shitty fight in infernum idk about basecal haven’t played

[agile matrix]

infernum they're okay in base cal they're pretty decent

[long bloom]

both you can just rungod effortlessly

[hybrid barn]

Actually, i think I get it! Or not the entire reason, but part of why it feels different
I think when you hear "Eater of Worlds" or "King Slime", it seems less like they're individuals and just one of potentially many, which...they presumably are, and it makes sense since anything that fits the description could hold those titles

But it's immediately clear, by comparison, that there's only one Yharon and one Calamitas

[icy veldt]

Yeah, that's a good use for distinguishing between the definite article "the" and indefinite article "a"/"an"

[agile matrix]

adding The means its a proper

adding a title also helps

[pulsar ocean]

Why don’t they just canonize goozma and add him to the main mod

[agile matrix]

just saying Decrepit King implies that its a name, not a title

[icy veldt]

"The Eater of Worlds" is an individual, while "an Eater of Worlds" is a member of a type

[agile matrix]

just canonize infernum.... trol........

[hybrid barn]

That makes sense, ye!

[pulsar ocean]

Goozma is tuff

[agile matrix]

wrong actually

[hybrid barn]

Also don't quote me on this, but I swear I've heard somewhere that there's loose plans to use Infernum as a reference for future Death AIs

I think it was the future content doc

[agile matrix]

i dont believe they'd say that so publicly, but that would make sense to do so

[dusk laurel]

i dont remember this

[agile matrix]

infernums a very well made mod and using it as a starting point would make sense

(NOT a copy point. a starting point.)

[dusk laurel]

i dont think the future content doc even talked about any difficulty changes last year

and ive been an editor for most of the time it has been back since last autumn

[feral skiff]

“Eater of Worlds” and “King Slime” feel more like titles, while “Yharon” and “Calamitas“ are names

so it’s pretty obvious

[hybrid barn]

That's what I mean, I was just trying to think of why the future replacement for Old Duke having a name instead of just a title sounded more impactful to me

[feral skiff]

true but what would he even be called

[random mulch]

barry

[dusk laurel]

old duke is chinese

@pliant ruin confirm or deny

[pliant ruin]

yes

[dusk laurel]

confirmed

this is why he has a jade palace he needs a home that suits his needs

[pulsar trellis]

can confirm as well china is actually in the sulfur sea which is why theres so much air pollution. old duke sightings reported daily

[dusk laurel]

old duke forced his slaves to produce jade pigs that would be spread out across the entire sulphurous sea

[random mulch]

old duke's jade pig sweatshop

[dusk laurel]

i mean just look at this thing

its in pain

[thick slate]

his name is slime

[feral skiff]

Goozma???

[thick slate]

kinf

[feral skiff]

kinf

the rot...

[thick slate]

bleh

[fair pelican]

is plantera an elemental?

[feral skiff]

yes, the elemental of feral plants

silva's EVIL SISTER

[long bloom]

no

just an evil flower

[fair pelican]

why is it so strong then? it's stronger than giant robots powered with the souls of warriors (IIRC that's what the mech bosses are), and it's stronger than the slime god at it's max power (slime queen)

[cosmic zenith]

It's also soul-powered

[limpid saddle]

stuffed full of lizhard souls & fucked up lizard magic

[pliant ruin]

i mean

duke fishron is also stronger htan all of those and its just an animal

there are amny ways a being can be strong

in fact most elementals are fairly weak all things considered

Atleast out of the ones we actually confront ingame

[leaden bridge]

Getting blackpilled against gods because one of them bullied you in highschool

[wanton pendant]

So there's this age old question of quality vs quantity.

[leaden bridge]

We mean hardly applies, per yharim plantera is just a plant full of souls while the mech are war machines

Realistically any mech on their own would probably do plantera easy

It's a plant

[cosmic zenith]

Seems quite the health bar for a simple plant

[eager bluff]

seems quite the wrong tier to get bodied by a mech ngl

[leaden bridge]

They're not all that separated be fr

Also like plantera crucially is not capable of flying

progression doesnt rule everything,..

a very fun example would be ravager vs pbg because as current ravager stands pbg has plenty of options to destroy that thing

[fair pelican]

I thought they were Yharim's soldiers?

[limpid saddle]

im referring to plantera

[leaden bridge]

a more obvious matchup is any sentinel vs polter, sentinels go earlier but polter isn't going to be capable to do much in any case

[abstract hedge]

Plantera was made with a ton of souls iirc. There's a lot of things that are weird, like Old Duke being so strong, Storm Weaver being stronger than Providence, etc.

[fair pelican]

oh wait Plantera is full of souls?

[limpid saddle]

Yup

[abstract hedge]

Yeah

It's not a normal plant.

[fair pelican]

huh

I thought it was just a mutant

[abstract hedge]

Nah

[limpid saddle]

what mutation makes a plant able to rib the average yharmy member limb from limb in a second

[abstract hedge]

"This floral aberration is another example of the volatile power of harnessed souls.
Taking their mastery of agriculture to new heights, the Jungle settlers bred a special sprout.
Through ritual blessing of the soil, it was fed legions of souls.
Elders of the village wished this to bring forth a new age of botanical prosperity.
Indeed, the plant was awe inspiring. But it was wild and untamed, with a will of its own.
Now that you have slain it, more disorderly spiritual energies are flooding the lands.
The village's ignorance was shameful in its own right, but this is worse still."

[leaden bridge]

im sure a normal trapper could kill a guy if theyre not paying attention

[long scaffold]

I find the concept of SCal being too drained to do anything but somehow giving you random weapons for beating her that encourage you to keep dragging her back into the arena humorous
Where does she even get these

[pliant ruin]

I imagine she probably makes them with evil ghoulish brimstone magic and just like. fucking gives them to you after the fight 😭

hello terrarian

merry christmas

[abstract hedge]

Random monsters drop weapons and yet you're more confused why Calamitas gives you some?

[pliant ruin]

have a bone wand made from the lost revenant souls of the dead

i made it myself, if you can't tell

[abstract hedge]

Why does the plant monster drop a gun

[eager bluff]

gun plant

[abstract hedge]

Why does this giant eye drop a chainsaw arrows?

[eager bluff]

they were stuck in it from some previous adventurer

[long scaffold]

Oh those don’t make sense either
Unless DoG has nebular weapons as snacks between the gods

[hybrid barn]

I could be wrong, but wasn't Plantera also made as a guardian for the Jungle to take Silva's place or something?

[abstract hedge]

No

It was made for agriculture.

[hybrid barn]

Ahhh, makes sense

[abstract hedge]

Like literally it was just made for agriculture using a bunch of souls.

[pliant ruin]

I like to think a significant amount of boss weapons are just stuff you made with the boss's corpse after it dies, monster hunter style

Not all of that i mean some would be different but i think it can apply to alot of them

like basically all of desert scourge's weapons

[long bloom]

yeah like
the burning sky is an axe literally made of yharon's leg

[spice torrent]

i think she made them herself

considering how they all have some sort of magical property

for what reason idk

[pliant ruin]

She wanted to give you a birthday gift man you know how it is

Jokes aside i can think of a few reasons

On one hand yeah i can genuinely see her just making you some cool stuff to help you fight yharim

On the other maybe some of it is items she hereslf used in the past

[long scaffold]

"Congrats on beating me, here's some weapons."
"I wanted the spear."
"Too bad, try again."

[pliant ruin]

But dosen't see much of a reason to keep them around

[spice torrent]

I think those are the Exhumed weapons specifically

[pliant ruin]

I don't really see why it has to be exclusively those tbf

[spice torrent]

true

[pliant ruin]

I thinkit's still possible the same could theoretically apply to her regular loot pool tho i also do think the idea they are like

[spice torrent]

but then again the exhumed stuff is pretty much just her giving you stuff she used

[pliant ruin]

weapons she sued in the crusade

[spice torrent]

(well except for ghastly visage i dont think she used that)

or whatever its called

the spirit monster sack

[dusk laurel]

metaphor staff

[spice torrent]

Exo Mech drops are pretty obviously stuff Draedon made

and why there aren't (currently) and Exo mech mage drops

[long scaffold]

Yharon?

[spice torrent]

since I don't think Draedon is very techy

[long scaffold]

I'd disagree

[spice torrent]

honestly no idea
probably just parts of his body

[spice torrent]

crap i meant to say magicy

he's very techy

he left the magicy things to the super experienced archmage and the teen with the power to kill a capital G God

[pliant ruin]

It's worth noting there isn't really a like science/magic split in-universe, just making htat clear

magic is just a part of science

[long bloom]

@long scaffold

[spice torrent]

alright

[pliant ruin]

draedon's own constructs use alot of magic

exo prisms are fundamentally based on magic (divine essence)

[long scaffold]

Tbh I don't like how Cal uses "god" uppercase
It's grammatically incorrect at best and offensive to religion at worst

[long scaffold]

got it

[pliant ruin]

calamity dosen't really ever use capital g god

in fact calamity's gods are very explicitly the opposite of that

none of them are omnipotent beings

[spice torrent]

Yeah, considering the base sea prism is literally just glass supercharged via a god releasing a lot of power over a long period of time

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is the absolute strongest and theoretically still killable

Would it happen?

Good question.

BUT THEORETICALLY

[long bloom]

is this a case of Holy Fuck Please Update Calamitas Fight Dialogue

[pliant ruin]

yep

otonilou is kind of responsble for exo mechs existing

isnt that fucked up to think about

oh wait was that about calamitas's dialogue

i thought it was cal as in calamity

[spice torrent]

yeah
aren't exos like
meant to be able to go toe to toe with gods

[long scaffold]

I see it spelled like that in the lore items

[pliant ruin]

not go toe on toe

they're stronger than all of them :sob

except, yknow, xeroc

[spice torrent]

who is like
the only one left

[pliant ruin]

well not really

there are others

but he is just

the comically strongest one

[spice torrent]

(well besides Silva but she's practically immortal)

[pliant ruin]

Out of the ones we know its just silva and xeroc yeah

but its worth noting, we dont know all gods

all we see is what's in this one continent

[long bloom]

tyrian might not be dead

[pliant ruin]

it is possible and id say likely that theres other gods alive out there, even if

yeah

minority

[long bloom]

and there's a few stragglers

[pliant ruin]

the crusade did a huge number on them

[spice torrent]

speaking of which how did silva get her grassy hands on the Terminus to do a perfect ascension

[long bloom]

we dunno

[pliant ruin]

Good question also we dunno, might ahve something to do with the fact the Terminus is in the abyss and she has been down there atleast twice (two times) (2)

[spice torrent]

or are there other ways to do a perfect ascension

[pliant ruin]

nah just terminus as far as we know

[spice torrent]

i wouldn't be surprised if there are other ways to do a perfect ascension other than using a rock from a washed god

[long bloom]

i'm 85% sure it's required

also fym xeroc is washed

[spice torrent]

he hasn't done crap since he got godhood

[long bloom]

they're the most powerful person to have ever existed

[spice torrent]

far as i know

[long bloom]

you don't really know that

[pliant ruin]

hes probably locking in facing the Horrors

[spice torrent]

he might be throwing hands with noxus

[long scaffold]

Xeroc became god and decided the Heartlands were below him

[spice torrent]

or just aura farming waiting for us to become strong enough to face him

[pliant ruin]

Which admittedly i think he's doing a bit too much of that and kinda neglecting the Hell Torture happening on terraria due to focusing way too much in the Horrors

I love you xeroc

[long bloom]

they could nuke it pretty easily i think

[pliant ruin]

i love my well intentioned yet deeply flawed all powerful god of the sun

[spice torrent]

was it possible what he did to Xeratros was done of mercy?

i highly doubt it but its a thought

[pliant ruin]

The circumstances are unclear but also

[long bloom]

possible

[pliant ruin]

It is extremely likely it wasnt out of malice

[long scaffold]

If it truly was mercy he'd probably not jump to stealing its power

[pliant ruin]

Nothing we have indicate that it was whatsoever other than what yharim says

everything else points to the opposite

[spice torrent]

considering he was a monk before becoming a god

[pliant ruin]

It's very likely Xeroc's actions were

The objectively best thing to do in that scenario

Keep in mind

[long bloom]

i mean
if he's gonna die anyway why wouldn't you

[spice torrent]

if he had let Xeratros died what would've happened to his soul
get rebirthed

[pliant ruin]

Moon lord very likely had a power that let it permaenntly kill the dragons

[long scaffold]

Rule #1 of Calamity Lore: Yharim is probably wrong whenever he talks about literally anything

[pliant ruin]

Even with zreratros's power

They barely won

if you can even call it a victory

[long scaffold]

fair

[pliant ruin]

Can you imagine what would've happened if Zeratros had actually died

And

something like that happened, again

[long bloom]

🔥

[pliant ruin]

but wihtout his power

[spice torrent]

seems like fovos had some sort of soul-degrading poison

[pliant ruin]

Which, keep in mind

Was completely plausible

Moon Lord came out of nowhere

had no explanation

no warning

Who's to say it wouldn't happen again?

[spice torrent]

and just went and threw hands

[pliant ruin]

I think the reason Xeroc dosen't really do anything about Yharim or Providence or anything else

[spice torrent]

what if we took too long and Fovos regained full might

[pliant ruin]

Is because he is extremely fucking scared

[spice torrent]

and we had to fight Fovos at full might

[pliant ruin]

This is mostly speculation

[long scaffold]

Xeroc v Fovos would be the battle of the eon

imagine his power with legs

[pliant ruin]

But i think the events of Fovos's invasion absolutely fucking broke the guy
He likely saw thousands of people he loved die, the dragons he respected and worked with fail miserably, and in the end probably had to put down the life of his friend for the sake of, in his eyes, their only hope of salvation

[spice torrent]

xeroc would be too scared to fight full power Fovos

[pliant ruin]

If he is, in fact, currently fully dedicating himself to fighting or atleast retaliating against Noxus

he probaly thinks he's like

the only one who can even do it

[spice torrent]

especially considering what it did to the dragon he was a monk of, who he was probably taught to be invincible

[pliant ruin]

He's the only guy who, in his eyes, even has enough strenght to stop Fovos 2 from happening

[long scaffold]

okay then either the Terrarian is controlled by the best player ever or the world ends

[spice torrent]

Fovos was greatly weakened

[pliant ruin]

I think Xeroc's biggest flaw is fear

[spice torrent]

that's quite frankly the only reason we could beat it

[long scaffold]

we're in the hypothetical where he's not

[pliant ruin]

He's way too scared of history repeating itself and it leads him to not acting when things Just as bad are happening down in Terraria, by trhe hands of mortals like Yharim

[spice torrent]

ok yeah the player's giga screwed over

[spice torrent]

yeah true
He has ALL the power to stop this, but doesn't let himself

[dusk laurel]

xeroc is stronger than moon lord at its height but hed definitely be cautious of it considering yk he was around and saw ml's invasion

and he wouldnt know how much stronger he is

[pliant ruin]

I do think Xeroc is ultimately a "good" guy he's just really flawed in the way he approaches it

He could grow as a person and change and actually become better i think

[spice torrent]

honestly if xeroc faced his fears earlier the entire crusades might've never happened

but nope
he was a bit of a pussy

[long scaffold]

Of course if we ever get to fight him morality is thrown out the window because the Terrarian's morals seem to be questionable at best from their kill count

though maybe YOU can write something idk

insert meme image here

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc wson't be killed in the fight so

There's that

[spice torrent]

i mean
they do spare Calamitas and in the future there might be spare options for certain bosses

[long bloom]

-# storm weaver please god

[pliant ruin]

PLEASE

FREE MY WORM

FREE HIM

[spice torrent]

no it should die in a fire

[pliant ruin]

IM GONNA KILL YOU

[long bloom]

[long scaffold]

If you don't beat DoG they killsteal Xeroc and become god

[real silo]

Free the worm

[pliant ruin]

YOU should die in a fire

[long scaffold]

Free the worm

[pliant ruin]

like the fnaf 3 song

free my dog

(not to be confused with DoG, very different things

[spice torrent]

doesn't dog already killsteal provi in infernum

[long scaffold]

In Infernum

[pliant ruin]

it does

[spice torrent]

yeah but infernum doesn't matter to lore

[pliant ruin]

infernum dosent really gaf about lore tho so yea

[spice torrent]

same with wotg

since those are just entirely different things

[dusk laurel]

dog would get vaporized immediately

[long scaffold]

I mean
If the Terrarian gets them to 0.1 and tries sparing

DoG could pull a flowey

[dusk laurel]

unless you force dog to flee or put him in an enclosure i honestly dont think hed try to flee or get spared and just fight you to the death

and its very unlikely that the terrarian would ever get xeroc to that low of hp

the fight is essentially just sparring so

[pliant ruin]

Ok but counterargument

Dog pretending to want to be spared only to stab you in the back after you give him a chance is the most in character possible thing for him

[dusk laurel]

true!

[wanton pendant]

Good luck with that.

[long scaffold]

hypothetically maybe a few hypothetical bosses after Yharim

[abstract hedge]

That'd also require there to be someone stronger than Noxus that you can kill.

And idk if it's planned for us to kill Noxus or not.

[long bloom]

it is

[abstract hedge]

Oh cool

Thank god that thing is dying.

Why are you woke?

[long bloom]

why aren't you?

[abstract hedge]

Because uhhhhhh

I'm tired cause I feel like shit rn.

[thick slate]

youll be woke when you wake

[visual kiln]

meow

do we know anything about noxus now

[pliant ruin]

not much

unfortunately information on him has remained as basically the same as it was when the lore got first rewritten

big distortion glupshitto that's really powerful, DoG's superior, likely absorbing divine essence for Reasons, probalby the creator of ceaseless void and probably has a huge evil distortion hive mind

[visual kiln]

oh ok

what about moon lord

[long bloom]

space dude, second strongest thing to ever exist, probably has some kind of ability that lets him permanently kill auric dragons

[pliant ruin]

arguably even less? tho with the bestiary changes in sso we will know more

[pliant ruin]

yeah just. showed up one day. threw hands. probably has an ability that permanently killed the dragons in some way as otherwise he wouldn't have been so catastrophic to dragonkind since theyd just rebirth

Uhh

We did get a bit of a dev statement that Solar Pillar might actually be partially primordial light so that's interesting

It's a dev statement so take it with a grain of salt but

Interesting to think about

[visual kiln]

could xeroc eat it then

or control it

absorb it

[pliant ruin]

good question

[long bloom]

it's probably evil and fucked up in some way

[pliant ruin]

i'd say no because

It dosen't seem like domains give you complete and absolute control over whatever it is

Like if someone uses Fire Maqgic against providence she can't just like make it hurt them instead

Even ingame u can still hurt her with fire projectiles and stuff

[long bloom]

also i just realized that means fovos can just
make more pillars whenever it wants

spooky

[pliant ruin]

Does make u wonder wtf the others are

like if solar is primordial light wahts like. stardust. nebula

[long bloom]

i assume they're literally made of their namesakes

but probably not

what if ml made more pillars

what would they be like

rogue pillar real?

[karmic mason]

why is the player character so powerful in the lore?

[light linden]

no set lore for the player

[karmic mason]

👍

[light linden]

likely reason though is that we are extremely good at adapting

[long bloom]

also insane inventor

[karmic mason]

plot armor

[abstract hedge]

Speaking of the pillars, do we have any lore for them at all?

[light linden]

we turn the shell of a gigantic storm worm into a shotgun and essentially algae into armor stronger than most gods

[karmic mason]

whats yharims deal after the crusades

why does he piss off

[long bloom]

exiled himself to the dragon aerie because he failed and is depressed

[abstract hedge]

Depression.

He left to the Aerie cause he was depressed at losing all his allies and kinda failing.

[long bloom]

he realized he could never kill every single god

[pliant ruin]

Not much currently

Beyond the small dev statement that is aid, which should be take nwith a grain o fsalt

[long bloom]

is aid

[abstract hedge]

He doesn't regret any of the horrible things he did though, aside from what led his allies to leave him.

[light linden]

our abilities in turning seemingly random junk into weapons and armor is remarkable

[long bloom]

he specifically regrets abusing calamitas

that's it

[real silo]

Darksun pillar surely

They're call darksun fragments

[long bloom]

forbidden pillar when

[real silo]

you right

[light linden]

that's just greg

for context

[dusk laurel]

meaningless

[long bloom]

😨

[light linden]

first time I played 1.3 the vortex pillar bugged out immensely

kept spawning sharks and giant worms

I called it greg

[pulsar ocean]

Is there an evil xeroc that’s the god of dark light

And he controls dark sun

[hoary cape]

Yes it's you

[stark basalt]

xeroc the rock skipper

evil xeroc

evil xeroc the sun skipper

[pulsar ocean]

But

I’m the terrarian

[stark basalt]

guys

xeroc is a clash royal player

[split mortar]

Its due to pl using character inflicting solar debuff that a dev then confirmed the theory of solar=PL iirc

[pulsar ocean]

Ы

[golden oasis]

if the player terrarian's lore is up to player interpretation, tell me the most stupid and absurd interpretations you can come up with/have heard
(such as "on a quest to kill yharim because he accidentally made you spill your drink and he doesn't even recall it")

[balmy glacier]

Ы

[balmy glacier]

idk 🤷‍♂️ terrarian trying to reform yharim who has done things beyond salvation

[stark basalt]

mushroom trip

[split mortar]

Beat yharim unconscious with a rock to the head to see if he really was the fallen hero he claims to be (im prob misremembering parts of it)

This was pre boss

#lore-discussion message
also a doc of that terrarian fighting xeroc

[pliant ruin]

The yharmy destroyed the terrarians favorite pizza place so theyre goinf to kill yharim for it

[feral skiff]

the Terrarian is actually John Wulfrum and Yharim keeps messing with his drones so he’s going to brutally murder that damned Tyrant for it

[pliant ruin]

🔥

[pliant ruin]

john war

was talking i nspoiler talk buh moving it here

just the idea that dogma/war could've been the closest yharim got to going "oh maybe i'm the baddy actually" but ultimately decided against it, thus marking his point of no return

because he'd realize how many similarities he had with the 2 gods he hated the most

[balmy glacier]

do we know which god’s corpse spawned hallow? and why did yharim have a beef with empress of light? she isnt classified as goddess, right?

[balmy glacier]

cant find anything about that in intro lore doc

[pliant ruin]

We don't know of any specific gods for the hallow atm

Much like evil biomes just generally a bunchof ogds

major difference beeing more benevolent gods over evil biomes being

well

yknow its in the. the name

[balmy glacier]

yeah of course

and what exactly are elementals?

They are not gods

that’s one major distinction

[pliant ruin]

Physical manifestations of the world's 5 main elements
We dunno much more than that but they seem to be beings that just inherently exist with the world

As long as Air existed on Terraria, the iar elemental existed, per example

And Elementals are not a singular being but more so a wide group that all forms a "single" overarching elemental if that makes sense

per example

Anahita and Ice Elementals are both the water elemental

Just different manifestations/pieces of it

The ones we know of are

Nature - Silva
Fire - Brimmy
Water - Anahita, Ice Elementals
Earth - Sandy, Granite Elementals
Air - Cloud

[split mortar]

Nature not life

[pliant ruin]

Chaos elementals are in a weird boat and may or may not be actual elementals

[pliant ruin]

true mb

Also worth noting that while all of the big ones Humanoid Women right now that'll be changed later so it's not like a rule and more so just a few of them take such a form

(Anahita, Silva, Brimmy)

[split mortar]

Sandy as well cause vanilla

[pliant ruin]

(And ig Sand since you can't really change the way a Vanilla Design looks but also the Sand elemental summon will look entirely different and be a Ominous Sand Obelisk instead)

awesome lesbian couple! (image of brimmy and anahita)
Evil and intimidating sand obelisk

[real silo]

brimmy would blow up anahita

[pliant ruin]

theyd both blow up eachother realistically i think

[split mortar]

Anahita can just extinguish brimmy water beats fire

[cloud ibex]

trans cloud elemental

[pliant ruin]

they try to kill eachother but then realize theyre both comically lonely elemental women murderhobos

[mighty zenith]

ground/kyogre type shi

[pliant ruin]

enemies to lovers

[cloud ibex]

happy for them

[mighty zenith]

GROUND

WHY DID I TYPE GROUND

GROUDON

[split mortar]

Wait the cloud elemental is trans

[cloud ibex]

my favorite pokemon

[split mortar]

Groundon

[pliant ruin]

with that said they still try to kill eachother semi-regularly it's part of their relationships dynamic

[mighty zenith]

the soil

[pliant ruin]

its ok theyre immortal

[cloud ibex]

went from woman to unspecified gender

i'm counting it

[mighty zenith]

happy for ???

[cloud ibex]

happy for them

[split mortar]

Theyre immortal attempted murder is not that big a deal for em

[pliant ruin]

went from woman to B̸̭͆̂e̶̝̾͐ ̶̞̦̀n̸̥͗̋o̵͚̎t̷̖̓̆ ̷͈̟͛̚à̶̫͊f̴͓͎͊r̴̜̱̅̑a̴͈͕͝î̸͉͝d̸̙͌̓.

[gritty kraken]

silva approved

[mighty zenith]

happy for ⬛⬛⬛⬛

redacted pronouns

[cloud ibex]

from woman to ██████ ███ ██ ██████

[icy veldt]

Funny how this also pokes a hole in earlier attempts at excusing the gullible, hopeful world-improvers failing to realize that Yharim's crusade was too good to be true, e.g. #lore-discussion message

[pliant ruin]

I mean

They're right

Objectively speaking

it was

Regardless of intent and future outcomes

[icy veldt]

Though tbf there's still no way they could've realized it. Being hopeful and thinking rationally do not go hand in hand at all

[pliant ruin]

Why do you think so many people fell for his propaganda?

[icy veldt]

Because they're fucking stupid

[cloud ibex]

just because killing war and dogma was the start of his descent doesn't mean killing war and dogma didn't lead to good things at first

[pliant ruin]

Nah, i wouldn't be manipulated. I'm built different, you just have a skill issue i think

[split mortar]

You have a skill issue you are calamitas irl

[icy veldt]

It serves as evidence that killing gods is never a good thing, because even killing the evil ones led to the rest of Yharim's crusade

[pliant ruin]

I'd simply just tell yharim i do'nt want to be manipulated

[mighty zenith]

ilmeris wouldn't have lost if i was there

[split mortar]

Ilmeris wouldnt have won if i was there

[cloud ibex]

if you see a guy who treats his soldiers well go and kill two asshole dickhead shitlord gods you would probably be like "hell yeah this guy is cooking"

[mighty zenith]

we must fight to the death

[split mortar]

I will win

[pliant ruin]

Illmeris wouldn't have if i was there

[mighty zenith]

also. if you dont believe people would follow yharim

look at the current day

look at any fucking point in history

[cloud ibex]

i think this is the first time i've seen someone fall into yharim's manipulation except on the opposite side

that's pretty impressive

[icy veldt]

I absolutely believe people would follow him. That's how people are: #lore-discussion message

[split mortar]

for a sec i thought the daily ww2 guy mention was gonna happen

[pliant ruin]

oh

[mighty zenith]

i had to restrict myself

[pliant ruin]

right

gotta get on that

uhh

[mighty zenith]

gotta hold back the politics talk a bit

[split mortar]

😭

[cloud ibex]

garbo you're a mod we don't set off the automod anyway

[pliant ruin]

hold on guys i gotta pull on the gacha

[mighty zenith]

true...

[icy veldt]

That's the opposite of falling into his manipulation

[pliant ruin]

Oh let's go! I got the auric super ultra rare legendary 3 ⭐ hitler

[split mortar]

Do i set the automod off

[split mortar]

Cheese you are a mod it doesnt actuvate from you

Oh let's go! I got the auric super ultra rare legendary 3 ⭐ hitler

[cloud ibex]

you're not a mod so yes

[pliant ruin]

thanks melon

[mighty zenith]

lets all point and laugh at melon gun

[cloud ibex]

what i mean is like

you're so opposed to yharim's message that you fell into the exact opposite, also bad mindset that killing a god is never good

[pliant ruin]

dolphins and sharks

[real silo]

A dolph in

[icy veldt]

You agree that Yharim is evil, right? What's the opposite of evil?

[real silo]

bread

[pliant ruin]

i can never tell if this avitus guy is baiting or not im ngl

its fascinating

[split mortar]

Jaffa cakes

[cloud ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241309043249905674/1407020855636263083/quiet.gif

i'm not doing this

[split mortar]

Yeah atp i cant tell if or when its a bit

[pliant ruin]

its like in the roleplay whenever popcorn says a rp idea and i can never tell if its a joke or not

[mighty zenith]

roleplay vagueposting moment

[pliant ruin]

bro that snot even vagueposting

garbo someone should kill you

[mighty zenith]

roleplay posting moment

[pliant ruin]

ok true

[cloud ibex]

you're on dangerous ground cheese

[split mortar]

CHEESE IM GOING TO FUCKING THROW YOU INTO FIRE

[icy veldt]

Tbf my moral beliefs often differ from most of the people around me, so I can see why you'd think that

[pliant ruin]

annoying

[mighty zenith]

hope you get taken apart, hope you get shot and expire perhaps

[pliant ruin]

like fnaf 3

springtrap

[real silo]

Can I do the honours

[mighty zenith]

theres no honor here

i will die pathetically and with a comedic punchline

[cloud ibex]

"so long, suckers!" i say, throwing a smoke bomb on the ground. when it clears i am lying on the floor, completely and utterly dead

[real silo]

Would draedon be interested in star wars

What sci fi series would he like most

[split mortar]

Story of undertale

[real silo]

impales you with 503 needles

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-the-musical-singing-cartoon-characters-gif-17842985

[real silo]

[feral skiff]

Five Nights.

It’s only five nights, how bad could it be?

[onyx bough]

does 'valor' mentioned in WoF lore refers to Asgardian Valor?

[pliant ruin]

no

[dusk laurel]

valor is a word, i dont remember what it exactly means but its related to honor in a warrior sense i think

[dusk laurel]

dictionary 😨

[thorn bison]

Greetings, where should i be learning calamity lore from?

[pliant ruin]

There are two pretty big docs in pins

The first one gives a overall more concise explanation of the story, its characters, etc

The second one is more of a glossary that lists all ingame sources of lore and details specific lore bits that one can discover from them

[thorn bison]

Understood

[pliant ruin]

You can also always ask questions here if anything confuses you and stuff

[thorn bison]

Do i gotta know everything about terraria lore if i want to dive into calamity lore?

[split mortar]

Calamity is a completely seperated story so nothing of terraria should be used as a basis

[thorn bison]

Understood

thanks

[split mortar]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[abstract hedge]

Calamity lore is entirely separate and terraria has very little lore anyways.

Calamity's only lore is the lore from calamity, no vanilla lore or other mods or anything.

[pliant ruin]

yeah vanilla lore is barely even a thing really, its more of just some vague information you can use to build off your own intrepretation for

In that sense it's arguably not much different from like, minecraft "lore"

[agile matrix]

lore is worldbuilding
worldbuilding is not always lore

[split mortar]

-# would it not be the other way round

[agile matrix]

not really

with the minecraft example, having an end city is worldbuilding but its not lore itself

it develops the environment, but does not provide information about itself outside of "thats what it looks like"

meanwhile, the credits sequence is lore AND worldbuilding

it provides the player information about the world they're playing while also adding a new part of the game for people to comprehend

[pliant ruin]

Eh i disagree i think "Lore" is anything that is a part of a story
Which may or may not qualify as worldbuilding

Worldbuilding is by definition always lore

A character's personality per example is lore, but i wouldn't call it worldbuilding

Though that's just semantics

[agile matrix]

yea

words lawyering is something

[pulsar ocean]

was Egypt a thing

Is Egypt canon to calamity mod

[split mortar]

Pyramids exist so clearly yes

[pulsar ocean]

There’s the entire pharaoh vanity set

[leaden bridge]

incredibly funny example because the end poem is not considered minecraft lore as it is meta

(by "not considered" we mean minecraft lore people do not consider it and its contents as a canon element to minecraft's lore)

[split mortar]

The grass has teeth

[agile matrix]

are meta elements not considered important to storytelling ?

[fallen quiver]

Question
Is it safe to assume that after defeating DOG we begin to surpass most former gods in terms of strength.

[soft flame]

transitive property to an extent

[leaden bridge]

They are but they do not form a part in Minecraft's

[split mortar]

Providence is among the strongest gods and defeating her is considered something yharim considers comparable to what he can do or braelor
I imagine that you are beyond most gods by post ml

By scal you are beyond all gods but xeroc

[leaden bridge]

The poem was also not written for Minecraft (which means its meaning trascends Minecraft itself)

[fallen quiver]

Xeroc too busy just chillin to care

[pulsar ocean]

Can’t really tell that from the fight

[leaden bridge]

its true! although yharim does imply it in the nefarious lore item

[split mortar]

Fabsolian moment

[long bloom]

i wonder where shakidou fits in

above or below provi

[split mortar]

You

Do know

Shakidou

Is meant to be the second strongest god

[long bloom]

i forgor

[split mortar]

Only second to xeroc

[long bloom]

[hybrid barn]

And the god of space, I'm pretty sure

[split mortar]

That changed

Emptiness

Night dragon emptiness god

[hybrid barn]

Oooh, neat

[split mortar]

Instead of gravity dragon space god

[hybrid barn]

Wonder what that means though, what abilities would they even have?

[long bloom]

probably similar to before

wacky reality bending shit

[hybrid barn]

Ah yeah, that would still make sense

[leaden bridge]

heres my oc god of narratives he killed the book dragon

[long bloom]

something like the dragon of stories could be neat

for cal lore

dragon of knowledge

[agile matrix]

here is my god of the truth and he fucking hates yharim outside of that whole genecide shecanery

dragon of eating pringles and the god of poker (chips)

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

i am incredibly funny AND sleep deprived

great combo

[split mortar]

Dragon of kicking ass god of chewing gum

[agile matrix]

see you get it

honestly a dragon of fortune and a god of gambling would kinda go hard

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

Dragon of bounty
God of gold

[agile matrix]

"dude you rely on crit chance? screw that. 0% crit chance. NO crits. EVER."

[fair pelican]

All fights are underwhelming compared to the lore, unless we use infernum or the other addons

[split mortar]

Yes
Fabsolian moment
Fabsol did every boss

[long bloom]

except scal brothers and inexplicably hive mind

[split mortar]

Hivemind has been enshitified by fabsol tbf

[fair pelican]

But even in base terraria it's like that
The bosses are fun, but they are underwhelming when you read the lore and notice they're supposed to be monster ending threats
(or in calamity, walking nuclear bombs)

[dusk laurel]

hivemind wasnt made by fabsol for a little bit but then it got corrupted by fab slowly over the years

[split mortar]

The fabshitification beam hit hivemind

[dusk laurel]

most of the bosses arent even close to being a nuclear bomb

[long bloom]

curse of 2d platformer from 2011

[split mortar]

Only starts happening like post ml or deus tier

[limpid saddle]

Its weird to see this resentment bubble up about boss design out of nowhere

[long bloom]

we can talk about it now that the horse is slain

[dusk laurel]

ggg thats because you appear once a decade

[limpid saddle]

Prior to fabsols execution i barely heard a peep about it

[limpid saddle]

im always here

lingering...

[long bloom]

because he was the boss dictator

you couldn't do shit about it

and angering him was a bad idea

[hybrid barn]

And didn't they still have to fight tooth and nail to get some control over her?

[long bloom]

idk

[fair pelican]

it's 2025 and this wasn't really fixed so it's not that

[long bloom]

ask xyk

[long bloom]

also curse of fabsol

[hybrid barn]

@willow pilot got any insight, if you don't mind me asking?

[fair pelican]

A nuclear bomb is town level, Calamitas is around island level. I think it's a fair place to put most bosses

[dusk laurel]

xyk had to do alot to appease fab to let him rework scal brothers

[fair pelican]

From Vanilla terraria?

[long bloom]

he infects all

/j

[dusk laurel]

yeah so most bosses arent nuclear bombs

[hybrid barn]

Ah yeah, that's what I remembered! Just that they had to do a lot of convincing to get some freedom there

[long bloom]

relogic is very adverse to reworking or respriting bosses at all for some reason

[split mortar]

Whered you get island level

[long scaffold]

I find it funny that Golem to Prov is a pretty small jump in actual progression but the former is canonically useless while the latter is one of the strongest gods

[limpid saddle]

infernum busts the balls a bit too much for my bitchass cousin i play calamity with so i guess i didnt get to taste much of 'good' boss design?

[fair pelican]

someone on the internet calculated calamitas evaporating the sea
it was island level

[long scaffold]

Also is there any reason for polterghast and the sentinels to be so powerful or is it just a gameplay quirk

[long bloom]

infernum is above average but not great

[split mortar]

Calamitas did that over days to weeks

[long bloom]

if you want great, play fables

[fair pelican]

how do we know that

[split mortar]

She does not directly scale to it

[long bloom]

a writer said so

[split mortar]

Civilians survived like amidias

So she cant have just

Went and evaporated it

Instantly

[limpid saddle]

i always felt very satisfied after beating a cal boss though, theres alot of hype in it, i think the most hype was after beating Expert/Revengeance DoG & Infernum Leviathan & Anahita

[split mortar]

And yeah dev statements

[limpid saddle]

Our infernum world kind of caved after that so, ehh i cant say for post moon lord

[split mortar]

Also according to a dev statement ilmeris was like mediteranean sea sized and italy or turkey sized in the same convo so ilmeris is not that reliable rn of a metric

[limpid saddle]

Fighting the Plaguebringer Goliath was a massive pain in the ass though that was just miserable on Infernum

[hybrid barn]

Did anyone else actually survive? I thought all the seatizens that aren't Amidias were going to be the ghosts left behind after they died

[long bloom]

tyrian might be alive

shmaybe

[hybrid barn]

Ah yeaahh, Tyrian

[split mortar]

Devs confirmed there were survivors just not a crazy amount iirc

[fair pelican]

Infernum is the shit I expect to see when I read the lore about the bosses

while Wrath of the old gods is what I wish calamity could be on the lore

[limpid saddle]

when was this alluded to? Or is it just because he isnt in the death toll

[long bloom]

it was never explicitly confirmed he died, unlike otonilou

[royal steppe]

Do we know why we’re killing all the bosses, or is the player not super relevant to the story?

[fair pelican]

people survived nukes IRL

[long bloom]

melon post it

[fair pelican]

player is a stand in for your self insert

[limpid saddle]

huh ok

[willow pilot]

It was less a fight and more that Fab had directly told me not to make major changes so I had to very carefully and slowly adjust and show the brothers to hopefully appease him and not have to scrap the whole thing

[split mortar]

Unlike nukes calamitas can just
Attack again

And island level is beyond any irl nukes

[long bloom]

melon we need you

[split mortar]

What is it

[long bloom]

.

[fair pelican]

I mean to say that people surviving explosions waay over their scale is possible, specially if it's a magical world with superhuman durability people

[long bloom]

WOOOOOOOOO

[royal steppe]

Gotcha 😭

[hybrid barn]

...wanna know a semi-random thing I just realized, by the way? Even though we have a teaser for what Amidias' redesign will look like, we don't know how much the teaser meme actually resembles it, considering that the Orios art that was based on was already a bit removed from current Amidias

I just think that's funny

[split mortar]

Animals also had time to flee to avoid scal like crabulon

Cant have time to avoid if its one attack

[hybrid barn]

Ahhh, I see! Thanks for the info

[dusk laurel]

polterghast is an insanely large amalgamation of angry souls of prisoners in the dungeon, who are definitely stronger than an average person
they are not called sentinels anymore but theyre still distantly related since they originate from the same place
signus is a powerful distortion being that shares some qualities with noxus and is capable of possessing people and giving them new limbs
storm weaver is another distortion being that escaped the distortion and became the apex predator of the area that includes the sky islands (the ruins of chrysadia)
ceaseless void is not inherently powerful but it has a fuckton of seals placed on it by the dragon cult that makes it like a giant turret and its basically a giant battery since noxus has been theorized to pour a crazy amount of energy to keep it open since its a portal

[wanton pendant]

You didn't hear this from me, but that picture IS Amidias' new sprite. With the 'Tomorrow's another day' text and everything.

[limpid saddle]

perhaps i should engage with the SSCLS more often given the wealth of insights it apparently contains

oh well

[wanton pendant]

It's gonna be really compressed in-game, though.

[mighty zenith]

so like tip-toeing around a sleeping bear hoping it doesnt maul you to death if you're too loud

that checks out

can you like not say that then

[limpid saddle]

i thought it would be funny

[split mortar]

You have the power to nuke messages

[limpid saddle]

it kind of was

[mighty zenith]

discord is a functional application that definitely works when i tell it to remove a message

oh and as i say that

[limpid saddle]

damn alright

[mighty zenith]

anyway yea save that for sscls

imo

[hybrid barn]

What's sscls?

[mighty zenith]

private server

[hybrid barn]

Also damn, egg on my face 😔

[long bloom]

the evil and intimidating roleplay

[limpid saddle]

never gonna engage with that sadly

[hybrid barn]

Aaahhhh, that's why it's been so hush hush

[long bloom]

i kinda want to but i have too much shit i need to do

[split mortar]

Its not just that
Just a majority

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[long bloom]

i'm in the java mines

[split mortar]

Ok maybe move the convo TO sscls and not here

[long bloom]

yeah i'm done

[limpid saddle]

i've been spending like an hour a day storyboarding & writing for my moving image arts short film & 5 million years a day trying to bugfix on yomi hustle the broken piece of shit it is

Though truly it's windows 11 to blame

[long bloom]

ur a yomi dev?

nice

[limpid saddle]

i need to get a linux distro or 10 on thid fuckass laptop yesterday

[limpid saddle]

no i mean like

shit is busted

i need to, as a player, figure out how to unbust

[long bloom]

ah

[limpid saddle]

ivy sly is the sole developer behind your only move is hustle

[night crypt]

why its win 11 fault this time?

[long bloom]

do you know why it's called yomi or yomi hustle instead of yomih

[limpid saddle]

stupid piece of shit operating system

[limpid saddle]

yomi sounds cooler

[long bloom]

they're pronounced the same