#lore-discussion

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pliant ruin
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500% focusing on his goal to protect the world from the Existential Horrors

eager bluff
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the only xeroc relation is how, before it released, for a fairly short period of time it was called xeroc and supposed to be old lore xeroc which is no longer the case sorry i have to do the bold things i need to ensure people dont miss the part where this is not a thing anymore

normal mantle
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I love how an intelligent lore conversation is being broken up by words like glupshitto

pliant ruin
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🔥

normal mantle
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And genocidotron

eager bluff
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its like the vampire issue i think

normal mantle
eager bluff
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no

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no they did not

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they did the exact opposite they made it clear it was Not xeroc

normal mantle
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With the terminus and the symbol in the sprite being the same from boss rush

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Or i thought atleast damn

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wtf is nameless deity then

eager bluff
eager bluff
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literal god

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capital g god

normal mantle
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Ykw that checks out

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Final bosses of the mod being the devil, from the outer space bible, and god

eager bluff
pliant ruin
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I think he could form connections but it'd be like really hard

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I think if anything a like

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headcanon of Terrarian and Xeroc actually becoming friends could be really fun

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It could genuinely help Xeroc alot with his issues

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Because think about it

normal mantle
pliant ruin
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Part of the reason he's like that

pliant ruin
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Is because he thinks he's the only one capable of defending the world against noxus

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Nobody else can do this, so he has to make sure to do it no matter what

normal mantle
pliant ruin
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It's why he never gives himself a break, never loses sight of that goal

eager bluff
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thats just something that shows up he has an actual body

pliant ruin
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But the Terrarian's existence proves that Hey, there's Other People that can stand up to thins like this

eager bluff
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xeroc is the ultimate workaholic

pliant ruin
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You don't have to put all that burden ONLY on yourself

real silo
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Xeroc is japanese

normal mantle
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Wait now I’m thinking about it what did the terrarian look like from the perspective of other things like xeroc or yharim

real silo
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what will dai think of this

mighty zenith
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calm down cheese

eager bluff
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the image

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post it

pliant ruin
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help me

normal mantle
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Did I miss something

real silo
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The YOUdecidetheloreoftheterrarian will continue until morale improves

normal mantle
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I’ve been in this server for like 2 days chill out

mighty zenith
normal mantle
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😭

mighty zenith
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dw about it

pliant ruin
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the terrarian

real silo
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jokes straight ahead

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jokes all around us

pliant ruin
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The terrarian's lore is entirely up to your interpretation so it can be whatever
All that really does factor in is that yeah Yharim actually got interested in you, seeing you as powerful enough for him to try manipulating you into his successor
And meanwhile, Xeroc was genuinely impressed by how strong you are, remarking how rare it is for a mortal toa chieve such heights

normal mantle
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The main ways I see games put the players into it is either all things go through a rebirth cycle so respawning is normal, or it’s a time thing so in lore you have literally done everything first try

eager bluff
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i dont think xeroc understands the culture in modern day in the same way that people in the modern day dont really understand the culture from when he was a person and not john god
he would be making references to things that people have forgotten about, making jokes that dont work anymore because of linguistic shift, stuff like that
and in the other side of the conversation they would be trying to relate experiences to him that i dont think he ever had, making jokes that currently work, but using language that didnt exist for xeroc, and those kinds of things

pliant ruin
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thats so fucking true actually

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im gonna make that into my new headcanon thats hilarious

normal mantle
real silo
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xeroc ve making jokes only told by 5th century french monarchs

eager bluff
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the world has moved on but hes been such a workaholic for the past thousand years that he just missed all of it

real silo
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japanese man fighting war

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He really is just japanese

normal mantle
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I like to think that yharim is a bit mad at us looking at how we show him up in like a week or two doing things he couldn’t do through his whole crusade

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Like killing empress of light

mighty zenith
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theoretically you could make it your headcanon but that just complicates things

normal mantle
eager bluff
normal mantle
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Like in Elden ring lore you do everything first try because a death sends you back to the point where you interacted with grace last

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Different same different or smth

pliant ruin
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Thinking about the pure blood dragon stuff earlier ia ctually have had a thought

digital anchor
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What is Yharim's signature weapon?

real silo
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Sord

pliant ruin
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Just a headcanon but thinking

What if the existing dragons were separated in
Auric Dragons, Pure Dragons and Wild Dragons

Auric Dragons being, obviously, the ... well, Dragons with auric souls.

"Pure" dragons in this case are all the dragons that were b orn without an auric soul, but were born very close to the original Dragons and due to this, alot of the magic power of their forebearers is still present in their body, despite them not having control over a domain. Some examples of this would be Old Duke or Primordial wyrm. They also seem to generally be sapient

"Wild" dragons would be dragons taht were born several generations after the auric dragons or maybe even were born of entirely seaprate lineages taht were never auric to begin with, leading them to being far more mundane organisms and often not even sapient. Not to say they can't have magic or anything but they're nothinjg excepctional, and most of them seem to be more animalistic/bestial

This would also be less of a "hard" distinction as much as its a pipeline. Like Elder Basilisk per example would be treading the line between Pure and Wild

real silo
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What's elder basil

pliant ruin
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great sand shark replacement

real silo
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Ohh

pliant ruin
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really fat and old basilisk but not as old as old duke/primwyrm

real silo
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ise

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I like the idea of pure dragons still being around

pliant ruin
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I think the idea is that while its smarter than the average dumbass basilisks its not like fully sapient lik those two

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It's more like

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caveman grug intelligence

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So ti's sorta inbetween the point where the dragons are still like fully sapient like OD and the point theyre kinda just animalistic like most other "common" offshoots such as fishrons or basilisks

pliant ruin
real silo
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Pure dragons probably have much longer lifespans too

pliant ruin
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if bro had been born 0.633 seconds earlier he wouldve gotten an auric soul /j

real silo
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The last auric soul left unclaimdd

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Auric soul of being old

real silo
pliant ruin
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wheres john dragon

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@cosmic zenith hi john dragon

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what do u think of my idea ...

pliant ruin
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the last auric soul given out was the one that the Dragon of Faith got

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and the one that would've gotten it otherwise is Old Duke, the guy who has absolutely n ofaith in auric dragons and fucking hates them

real silo
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It's like 5 am for stiplate

real silo
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Auric soul of trust me bro

pliant ruin
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yep

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its the one that dogma ate up

pliant ruin
real silo
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Damn

random mulch
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dragon of faith telling OD to cope, seethe and mald after it got the last auric soul

real silo
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Od got the soul of atheism

pliant ruin
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dragon of faith would then come to regret this as OD would take his advice to heart and proceed to not stop coping, seething and malding for the next thousand years, in the proccess establishing a authoritarian fascist regime over the sulphur sea and probably laughing at the ass of every single fucking auric dragon for the fact he outlived literally all of them but one

random mulch
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OD was the original ranked competitive hater

pliant ruin
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Ngl crazy idea but i think itd go hard as fuck if OD, somehow

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actually contributed to atleast onej of the auric dragons diyng

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I feels like something he'd do

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I don't think he'd actively go out and kill them

real silo
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Old duke kills a dragon and ascends with its soul

pliant ruin
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But he absolutely feels like the type of slimy bastard to play his moves just the right way to all but guarantee that someone would get killed and be like "damn skill issue, if i was there i wouldve just done better ngl"

random mulch
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yknow how his future armor drop is known as the "dragon hunter" set

pliant ruin
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yeah

random mulch
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what if he just had some guy do it for him

pliant ruin
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thatd be awesome

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I feel like itd be like

real silo
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Go my dragon hunter

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and then he goes and dragon hunts

pliant ruin
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Old Duke would do things in a way where he COULD get away with saying "welll technically i didnttt ask them to do thattt"

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like its very obvious what his intention was but he did things in a way where, TECHNICALLY, not his fault

real silo
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he a lawyer

mighty zenith
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perchance

random mulch
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"Oh i just gave them all that stuff cause they're a good friend of mine, no other reason ultimatesmug "

real silo
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Officer I had no idea the dragon hunter guy would use the dragon hunter gun I gave him to hunt dragons

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Why did yharon not clock this guy's shit

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Is he stupid

mighty zenith
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yes

pliant ruin
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i think old duke would see auric dragons dying left and right and see himself, with no auric soul, surviving all this time, and use it to justfiy why he's actually way better than them and why he deserved the respect and praise they got far more than themselves
Old Duke could be a interesting parallel to yharim even in the sense he sees himself as a story of osmeone who rose up from nothing into greatness rather than being privileged from birth, and because of that his actions are righteous and are from someone who deserves everything they get. but at the same time he's someone deeply addicted to self indulgence and due to the fact that deep down bro probably has a horrible inferiority complex he just can't stand to not be at the top, to not be able to exhert his rule and control over others, because in his mind the auric dragons took that control away from him, they took his destiny as one of them

I think it'd be specially ironic if, despite what Old Duke were to tell you, some dragosn were actually rather nice to him, and were willign to accept him as one of their own. I'm sure some of them would've DEFINITELY just been straight up racist but to fit in CAlamity's themes of how a group can't be shallowly defined as good or evil without considering the nuance of the individuals, i think there aboslutely would be compassionate Dragons who would've accepted OD as one of their own, evenw ithout an auric soul. But bro was just so consumed by jealously and that craving desire of "I want to do what they can do, it's so unfair that i wasn't born with that ability" that he couldn't even accept that

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Anyways thanks for listening to my hog rant

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I just think old duke is a really fascinating character with alot of potential and it is quite unfortunate he has such a (admittedly earned) dogshit reputation in the mod's community because while i will not deny everything le ading up to his addition and his content currently ingame is Ass, the future plans for him genuinely give him the craziest glow up of all time

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rise up old duke fans they cant win against all 5 of us

real silo
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Alternate reality where he realizes the error of his ways and becomes a virtuous dragon king replacing zeratros' throne

split mortar
pulsar ocean
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g

wanton pendant
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Old Duke:

sinful adder
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It's 4 am and I'm laughing my ass off at "truth duke"

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Someone make this but it's amidias and SSO tomorrow

icy veldt
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Nuh uh, all dragons were bad

dusk laurel
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this is an avitus message

sinful adder
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All dragons participated in dragon society and made the surface scorched to a crisp so they are bad

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Jk

icy veldt
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Yharim likes dragons, therefore dragons = evil

sinful adder
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Wait brain blast

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Old duke should be like groal

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"yes I bathe in sewage, I thrive in grime and hatred, survive my gauntlet of malformed fucks. I am the ultimate slimy bastard"

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Skongers, is Old duke just like Groal the Great

split mortar
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Is divine swine the fursona of xeroc

dusk laurel
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no

split mortar
young socket
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read my world generation messages

dusk laurel
split mortar
sinful adder
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Glowing mushrooms should have been related to the dragon of death, and it's a travesty they aren't

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Hi I'm going insane due to lack of SSO and also lack of slee

cloud ibex
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you should fix that

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also i think not everything needs to be related to the overarching plot of all the dragon shitfucklery

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things are allowed to just Exist, there can just be glowing mushrooms underground that don't relate much to anything else

real silo
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It's true

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It'd also be lame if THE dragon of death is related to these stupid mushrooms alone and nothing else

dusk laurel
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i personally like the evil alien mushrooms idea

random mulch
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glowing mushrooms just kinda do that

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no special origins, no ties to bigger powers, there are just parasitic mushrooms underground

pliant ruin
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i fucking love the evil alien mushrooms idea its so fucking funny

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and it fits so well with their aesthethics

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like yes u could absolutely convince me these fuckass glowing psychedelic crab-controlling mushrooms r aliens

pliant ruin
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and that's really funny .

random mulch
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where's your evidence

pliant ruin
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Well you see

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Glowing mushrooms are only found in two palces

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Underground

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and in Planetoids

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There are no surface mushroom biomes whatsoever

random mulch
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if they're from space how did they get underground

stoic gulch
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Glowing mushrooms is secretly a mineral

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That is used in planets lower layers

pliant ruin
stoic gulch
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Holy shit.

random mulch
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then why would it not be on the surface

stoic gulch
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SHROOMITE BARS

stoic gulch
pliant ruin
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Like it's not confirmed or anything and i don't think it ever will be but i talked with kanaya about it a while back and i love the concept its so fucking funny

pliant ruin
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So the only strains left are either deep in caves or in the planetoids they originally come from

pliant ruin
random mulch
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what about the beehives inside planetoids

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are bees from space as well clueless

young socket
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yes

dusk laurel
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planetoids are so guhlp sky rework please save them

pliant ruin
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there's bees in the surface

dusk laurel
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^

pliant ruin
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plus bees don't fit alien aesthethics at all

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and it'd be wacky stupid if bees were aliens fsr 😭 😭

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but glowing mushrooms actually fit the concept and its really fucking funny so its what im choosing to believe in

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im a alien glowing mushroom truther

random mulch
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eh

pliant ruin
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@spare pier speak ur shit sister

random mulch
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glowing mushrooms feel more cordyceps but glowy to me

pliant ruin
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turns you into a hornet

pliant ruin
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They're still Glowing Parasitic Fungi

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It's not mutually exclsuive

random mulch
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honestly i'm just not taking anything on planetoids seriously

dusk laurel
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rotting mana or glowing shrooms

random mulch
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how the hell did a perfect box of platinum bricks get into an asteroid if it originated from space

pliant ruin
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rework planetoids and remove all the weird shit from them except the glowing mushrooms

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feed the agenda

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alien fungus agenda

random mulch
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kill the agenda

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destroy all glowing mushroom planetoids

pliant ruin
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you're just a hater of whimsy and joy

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you want the mushrooms to be BORING and UNINTERESTING and

random mulch
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keep the beehive planetoids and make them more numerous

pliant ruin
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gets shot and killed

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oh alien bees

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oh

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evil

dusk laurel
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i fucking hate alien bees they dont deserve to be alien

pliant ruin
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the glowing mushrooms actually come from the moon lord planet and are the natural predators of moon lords

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the reason moon lord attacked terraria was becasue it saw a young strand of its true enemy and wanted to take it down before it got too powerful

random mulch
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bee lord

pliant ruin
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the bees r also from the moon lord planet

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except theyre moon lords favoured prey instead

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🙏 🙏

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what a wonderful ecosystem

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bees get eaten by moon lords. moon lords get eaten by glowing mushrooms

dusk laurel
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what if one of the ancient pre world soul shattering dragons just didnt feel like it

random mulch
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what if we're all just aliens

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maybe the alien was you all along

dusk laurel
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wtf

pliant ruin
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the alien is you ... ???

dusk laurel
young socket
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clearly the bee dragon did exist

manic coral
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bee

crude musk
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Since most ascensions were imperfect, is it possible that a god got a dragon's domain that they didn't even kill

cloud ibex
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probably not

abstract hedge
wanton pendant
light linden
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is there any magic other than cryomancy that permafrost is proficient in?

manic coral
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yeah

dusk laurel
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is grass green

azure tartan
light linden
dusk laurel
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cool

hybrid barn
feral skiff
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With the influence of Draedon, surely most of the population is post-industrial.

dusk laurel
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norp

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yes its true that draedon exists and he definitely advanced military technology mainly in the areas the worked with yharim by decades or even a century the majority of the population is still in the industrial revolution

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theres just outliers sprinkled in between

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yharim's main focus was the military so while he would want for civil technology to advance just like the military, his immediate and main focus was always killing the gods and anyone who supported them or opposed him

wanton pendant
dusk laurel
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i was gonna point this lmao i just didnt rlly find a way to say it

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but its true

light linden
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@cosmic zenith curious about a thing, which of the civilizations would you say had the most magic users?

eager bluff
# eager bluff yea

like if theres a rich enough guy you can probably go into a castle and see a 72 inch widescreen but generally thats a rarity

wanton pendant
light linden
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eh

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I could see there being the equivalent of college towns but for magic

cosmic zenith
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Azafure by far

split mortar
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I wonder how much wulfrum tech helped people in heartlands advance
Cause
That tech is pretty advanced all things considered, its just made of toothpicks and prayers

fierce pagoda
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they definitely kept morale up!

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look at them go!

hybrid barn
cosmic zenith
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But not the most knowledgeable

abstract hedge
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Yeah but we don't have a name for the civilization permafrost is from.
At least not yet.

left rivet
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ice

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i think he is ice wizard

dusk laurel
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he is good at well most magic he just prefers and is best at ice magic i believe

long scaffold
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Only heard of Azafure (obsidian houses)

cloud ibex
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chrysadia is what the sky islands used to be

cosmic zenith
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Azafure isn't the obsidian houses, actually

cloud ibex
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think it got nuked when ml happened?

cosmic zenith
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Azafure was in the Brimstone Crags
Currently, the game only really has its outskirts

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Chrysadia was the sky island civilization, which in fact got nuked by ML

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Ilmeris is the now ruined sea kingdom ruled by Amidias, of which now only the Sunken Sea remains

long scaffold
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Ohh that makes sense

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Are the obsidian houses anything then?

eager bluff
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miscellaneous settlements outside of azafure

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i dont think we know who made them

abstract hedge
abstract hedge
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Ilmeris was destroyed by Calamitas, Azafure by the brimstone (heat) elemental, and Chrysadia by Fovos (Moon Lord).

wanton pendant
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Obviously it's Crimsafure, Azafure's sworn rival, which is totally a real thing that I didn't make up.

agile matrix
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are there other cities that we see the postmortem of that im not aware of? like azafure or illmeris

wanton pendant
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Underground houses.

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The Hell apartments.

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Vernal Pass.

long bloom
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draedon's labs technically

wanton pendant
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I wouldn't call those remnants of cities. Outposts at most.

warm gull
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god forbid a godseeker want to genocide some gods

abstract hedge
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God forbid some guy is worse than any real world dictator.

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At least in death count that is.

agile matrix
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i cannot make comment

abstract hedge
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You just did though.

agile matrix
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further comment than my plead of the fifth

hybrid barn
long bloom
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oh automooooooood

craggy jacinth
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This cannot be serious

abstract hedge
pulsar ocean
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Why do people never plead the sixth

craggy jacinth
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(woo politics)

distant smelt
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I plead the 2nd

eager bluff
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sir this is an airport you dont get that here

visual kiln
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cera unblock me u coward

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hmph

distant smelt
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What if i give you an auric soul

craggy jacinth
visual kiln
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oh

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im not?

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wtf

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lied to

royal bluff
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Yharon page remake

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looks better in person

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also first page of index, there will be at least 4

real silo
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lordy fuck

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That's so fuckin awesome

split mortar
gaunt sluice
neat tinsel
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i wonder what ocram's lore would be

crude musk
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Yharon my beloved 🧡

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Wouldn't it be really funny if he could rebirth gods cause they technically had auric soul parts

pulsar ocean
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no

sinful adder
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That would be like trying to hatch a scrambled egg

split mortar
wanton pendant
normal mantle
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Draedon realizing very late that a guy who’s fighting against what he calls tyranny won’t exactly like an invention that enslaves innocent creatures

icy veldt
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Yharim is evil though, so if he doesn't like something, then it's automatically good XD

normal mantle
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Draedon did it for the love of the game too 😭

cloud ibex
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he does everything for the love of the game

icy veldt
wanton pendant
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Wait, what if two things can be bad at the same time?

young socket
azure tartan
pulsar ocean
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i felt like this was the appropriate emoji

wanton pendant
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Quit horsing around.

azure tartan
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Evil horses

icy veldt
normal mantle
cloud ibex
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he wanted to see if he could control a sentient being

split mortar
reef nova
normal mantle
# agile matrix this is great

It’s kinda funny that the whole reason the jungle lab is destroyed is because Draedon showed yharim something he should have known big man wouldn’t like 😭

agile matrix
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i thought the plague creatures broke out of containment

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did draedon actually bomb his own lab or

cloud ibex
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no yharim punched a hole in the wall

abstract hedge
agile matrix
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ahhhh

abstract hedge
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Draedon's labs seem to get broken into a lot.

agile matrix
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he really should add more doors

abstract hedge
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It should probably work on that.

young socket
agile matrix
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he cannot aurafarm by descending from his gamer chair anymore

young socket
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he was already in it

agile matrix
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he needs like

abstract hedge
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Oh right he was being shown

agile matrix
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literally any garage door

abstract hedge
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I forgot

young socket
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he just punched the wall casually out of anger and it made a giant hole

agile matrix
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very small labs actually

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i hear "draedon primary outpost" and think much larger than the builds ingame

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plus if yharim can blast a hole in the wall and it blows out maybe 35% of the lab and leaves it very unrepairable its not the bestest i'd think

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((also an instance of yharim causing more problems while thinking he's fixing them))

abstract hedge
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Yharim is the like fourth strongest being to ever exist though.

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He could probably cut a small mountain in half if he wanted.

agile matrix
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draedon i think would know this and should probably make his buildings a bit more yharim-proof

abstract hedge
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How does one do that, exactly?

agile matrix
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if its resistant to yharim, its very very resistant to not yharims

agile matrix
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that'd be a good start

abstract hedge
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Yharim could still blow up its labs if he wanted.

agile matrix
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i mean yea

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but it could be resistant to such attack

abstract hedge
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That doesn't change the resistance

agile matrix
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resistant =/= invincible

abstract hedge
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That just doesn't give Yharim a reason to blow a hole in the wall.

agile matrix
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im moreso saying "if its good against The Godseeker, its probably insane against like. bees."

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like using the zenith on king slime, that idea

abstract hedge
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Yeah but you still haven't said how one would make a yharim resistant lab.

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Unless you want all the labs to be made out of exo plating.

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Which is a tad bit overboard.

agile matrix
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i have no clue what materia draedon can use

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it would be unwise for me to suggest a likely worse plating

craggy sparrow
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Are all other reference items non canon

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like the muramasa

pliant ruin
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yeah

craggy sparrow
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damn

pulsar ocean
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how do you think nuclear terror would taste

agile matrix
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probably like a cicada

split mortar
agile matrix
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i mean in a general stake yharim is worse than draedon

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but yharims gotta be THE Guy to do it

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he cant let draedon be The Guy

pulsar ocean
limpid saddle
pulsar ocean
hybrid barn
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I imagine not, since it seems like the plague is less of a typical black death kind of plague, and moreso just an infestation of nanomachines, son!

They probably wouldn't be too effective if they could kill their hosts

limpid saddle
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The Plague wasn't designed to replace life it was designed to optimize it

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& what Draedon means by optimization is apparently stripping out all the organs that arent part of the nervous system to convert into more nanites & make the creature supremely lightweight while making it hyper-aggressive & completely subsurvient to the nanovirus's prime objective

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You do gotta remember the Goliath was freed before it was done cooking, presumably Draedon was going to give it a bit more finesse before his boyfriend broke in & respectively broke up with him

normal mantle
split mortar
normal mantle
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He didn’t do nothing wrong fr he saved a poor girl off the streets of azafure

pliant ruin
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#saveyharim2028

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yharim did nothing wrong and uhh is the hero and yep

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xeroc evil

eager bluff
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yharon speechbubble

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but yeah no yharim wasnt the one who helped scal with her powers

agile matrix
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that was permafrost

long bloom
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also cheese can yuo change my name to snailrook perhap

pliant ruin
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this truly was our sunken sea overhaul

long bloom
#

thank

agile matrix
eager bluff
agile matrix
#

gonna make so many you could call it a PANTHEON

pliant ruin
#

pantheon of the heartlands

agile matrix
#

itll be like walking through greece

#

/ref

pliant ruin
#

the evil god cult that wanted to turn yharim into a puppet king is probably the closest we have to a proper god pantheon in the modw hich is fucked up

#

like there's Tyrian and Otonilou i Guess but that's just two guys

agile matrix
#

imagine the boss rush made all the bosses into fake gods of their topic

#

like king slime is god of tyranny because he is a joke

eager bluff
#

god of slime
slime god
slime goddess

agile matrix
#

queen slime is god of ignorance because slime god didnt realize they'd be cooked by it

#

slime god is god of slime, as obvious

icy veldt
eager bluff
#

queen slime is god of pronounr wizard

agile matrix
#

yharon would be simply not be a god since they are the anti concept to a god; a dragon

long bloom
#

i'm asking my dad about coding stuff and he said "blah blah is up to you"

agile matrix
#

they also arent really like
god gods per se

#

they're more what-ifs

#

itd be neat

long bloom
pliant ruin
#

like by all means

#

its a theoretically possible concept

#

did it actually happen at any point in history? good question

agile matrix
#

auric dragon*

#

corrective

pliant ruin
#

but it is theoretically possible

#

yeah

long bloom
#

dragon god yharon

pliant ruin
#

even an auric dragon

feral skiff
# long bloom

honestly? even if he did horrible things, yharim could be considered the protagonist in the main calamity lore, he’s directly tied to everything else in the story and causes practically everything

agile matrix
#

dont you need an auric soul to do the thing ?

pliant ruin
#

Yeah

pliant ruin
#

a dragon can absorb another dragons soul

agile matrix
long bloom
#

theoretically

pliant ruin
#

Theoretically by all means its possible

feral skiff
pliant ruin
#

Whether it actually ever happened is another story

feral skiff
agile matrix
#

okay well then god of rebirth yharon could in theory be possible

dusk laurel
#

what

pliant ruin
#

God of rebirth yharon wouldn't be i don't think

#

but god of Something yharon, theoretrically, yes

#

very, very

#

theoretically

agile matrix
#

god of [auric soul absorbed]

long bloom
#

did he have the terminus though

agile matrix
#

all is possible

#

even if improbable

#

(as this is not going to happen)

pliant ruin
#

i think whatever domain he'd get would be

#

neither rebirth nor whatever soul he absorbed

agile matrix
#

wouldnt it be a merge of both

long bloom
#

probably

pliant ruin
#

itd be a concept that somehow fits both his original domain and the absorbed soul

agile matrix
#

like if he took the soul of hope, it'd be the god of motivation or something (reborn hope)

eager bluff
#

Yharon, God of Eternity

agile matrix
#

dear god .

pliant ruin
#

also uhhh

eager bluff
pliant ruin
#

going by the way the concept of multiple ascencions in 1 person work

#

a dragon god would probably be like innately fucked up

agile matrix
#

well yea

pliant ruin
#

like either on the way to auric polterhastification or just already in there

#

thats like

#

4 souls in one

agile matrix
#

four?

#

i count 2

long bloom
#

2 dragon souls, 2 world soul shards

pliant ruin
#

^

agile matrix
#

aah

pliant ruin
#

The entire reason god souls are unstable is because its Triple Soul

#

that's Two Times Too Many

long bloom
#

soul³

eager bluff
#

4 is the theoretical limit of souls able to be present before auric polterification isnt it

agile matrix
#

no itd be okay yharon would just turn to ash then return in 10 x 10 years

#

and then he'd look either incredibly cool OR actually fucking putrid

pliant ruin
#

yharon the sludge of rebirth

long bloom
pliant ruin
#

nbot even a dragon anymore hes just a organi mass

agile matrix
#

i think they'd keep their phoenix title

agile matrix
#

cause they aint a dragon but they are certainly feathered and maybe regenerative

eager bluff
#

i forgot about the part where world soul fragments are also considered souls

agile matrix
#

if the thing is a god, but currenly in a state where they arent really pure (see ravager), itd probably be "[boss], fallen god of [former title]"

pliant ruin
split mortar
agile matrix
#

far larger id think

#

honestly it being somewhat DoG shaped would vaguely make sense

long bloom
#

why

agile matrix
#

idk this mod likes worms clueless

#

wheres the funny laughing blob

#

the guy with big teeth

#

i need him

#

this guy yes

#

it would make sense because calamity likes their worms

long bloom
#

worm xeroc

agile matrix
#

no he'd be duke fishron

long bloom
#

empress of light retexture

agile matrix
#

hmm

#

perhaps

agile matrix
#

eeevil

long bloom
#

hognar

#

hognar the wicked

agile matrix
#

this is a fun thought experiment though

#

if more things were gods, what would they be the god of

#

cryogen i dont think would be a god, they're a box

#

perma would prob get the thingy

long bloom
#

cryogen is a spell

agile matrix
#

god of frost makes sense no? unless he just attunes to magic as a whole

long bloom
#

no soul

agile matrix
#

i dont remember if he's just full of ice magic goobidity gobs or if he just likes the ice

abstract hedge
agile matrix
#

oh you're not wrong

long bloom
#

that's not real sorry

agile matrix
#

the wings get the ascension :)

long bloom
#

collective hallucination

agile matrix
#

uhhhh

#

wall of flesh? do they have a soul

long bloom
#

several

#

made of many azafurians

agile matrix
#

so it instantly amalgamates

#

so prehardmode polter

long bloom
#

yeah

abstract hedge
agile matrix
#

uhhh

long bloom
#

flesh polterghast

agile matrix
#

would be sick!

#

desert scourge? god of the feast?

long bloom
agile matrix
#

their whole thing is being driven by hunger

#

not gluttony although maybe

#

it WOULD be funny

long bloom
#

oversimplified byeah

agile matrix
#

yea

#

i mean cant they adopt new titles

long bloom
#

there was an auric soul of gluttony

#

consumed by slime god

agile matrix
#

like they could absorb gluttony but be called god of the feast

#

because it sounds cooler

long bloom
#

perhaps

agile matrix
#

uhhhh

#

what bosses are there.

long bloom
#

cnidrion

agile matrix
#

eye of cthulhu i have no clue

#

they're just a really big eyeball

#

actually king slime would amalgamate

#

they're a lot of slimes in one bundle

long bloom
#

slimes don't have souls

agile matrix
#

they dont?

#

are they just semi-sapient globs of detriment

long bloom
#

pretty sure they're like amoeba

agile matrix
#

mm i see

#

okay so ks straight up doesnt ascned

#

unless his lil dude in him does?

split mortar
agile matrix
#

ahh thats the Bible ore

#

lore*

long bloom
#

they could be alive the same way bacteria is

agile matrix
#

being alive =/= being souled =/= being sapient

#

isnt plantera soulless but sentient

split mortar
#

Plantera is strong cause it fed on a bajillion souls no??

pliant ruin
#

I think every living being probably has a soul in calamityverse

#

dunno if theres any confirmation of how exactly it works either way but

young socket
#

souls are weird

pliant ruin
#

thatd be my guess

agile matrix
#

souls are so fucked because theres like five places a soul can come from

young socket
#

actually im pretty sure dungeon slimes can spawn the ectoplasm guys when they die

#

so lol

#

lmao

agile matrix
#

uhhh what other bosses

#

im mainly thinking from a title standpoint since i dont think theres auric dragons of every single thing

long bloom
#

plantera also has many souls

agile matrix
#

wait howd slime god get made

#

if it was from gluttony

pliant ruin
#

slime god was a human

long bloom
#

was a person

agile matrix
#

yea

#

they absorbed dragon of gluttony soul

pliant ruin
#

ye

agile matrix
#

but became slime

young socket
#

thats normal

pliant ruin
#

gods dont have the same domains as the dragons

split mortar
#

Person became slime

agile matrix
#

ahh okay

pliant ruin
#

the only ones that do are the ones that used the terminus, undergoing a perfect ascencion

young socket
#

except for silva and xeroc, every god has a different domain from the ones they took

pliant ruin
#

aka silva and xeroc

#

every single other god dosen't have the same domain as the dragon

agile matrix
#

yea thats what i thought

long bloom
agile matrix
#

snail LIED to me .

long bloom
#

no?

long bloom
#

yeah that's still correct, if oversimplified

long bloom
#

it's the general rule

pliant ruin
#

Yeah what they said is still true

long bloom
pliant ruin
#

A god's domain is derived from the dragon's domain

#

It's just not the same

agile matrix
#

ooohhhhh.

#

you phrased it poorly snail lol

pliant ruin
#

Gluttony > Slime because Slimes are gluttonous creatures that are primarily driven by hunger

long bloom
#

like with providence, flame became ash

#

storms became electricity

#

with otonilou

agile matrix
#

okay so if DS took gluttony it WOULD be god of the feast

pliant ruin
#

A god's domain is basically just a derivative domain from the original dragon's influenced by the god's own traits

pliant ruin
#

I think the only way for DS to become a god would be if there's a way to actually like

#

Ascend someone else

#

Like, performing the ritual on another entity rather than you

agile matrix
#

again this is the theoretical boss rush where (is it xeroc who runs the boss rush or is it someone else) thinks about what would happen

pliant ruin
#

Which i mean not out of the question sicne we have

#

no fucking idea

#

what the ritual is

agile matrix
#

alright then yea

pliant ruin
#

If performing the ritual to ascend someone other than you is possible

#

Then theoretially there could be

#

entirely animalistic gods

#

such as a ascended ds

#

Kind of a cool concept in theory

#

a god that's actually just a whole ass Creature

agile matrix
#

i mean i've always presumed

get a soul bound in a position
hold terminus near position
wait until either some sorta noise or a "feeling"
take terminus now impregnated with soul
hold terminus near you and "use" it
attune over the process of however long (likely hurts like a bitch)

#

it makes the most sense to me

long bloom
#

the terminus isn't required for a regular ascension

#

just a perfect one

agile matrix
#

well yea but i'd presume you want a really good one

#

because the other way would just be to have the soul fly into your chest like you're picking it up, no

long bloom
#

exactly 2 people used it then it was thrown into the abyss

icy veldt
# long bloom ^

Wait hold on

the domain depends on the soul consumed, not the person
But also
A god's domain is basically just a derivative domain from the original dragon's influenced by the god's own traits
That's not oversimplified, that's contradictory

agile matrix
#

no thats fine

long bloom
#

mainly depends on the soul consumed

#

the person aspect is pretty minor

agile matrix
#

if i ate the soul of gluttony, i could become the god of greed since both are similar

#

or if someone ate the soul of hope they could become the god of perseverance

pliant ruin
agile matrix
#

they act similar while not being directly the same

agile matrix
hybrid barn
#

Implanted?

agile matrix
#

implanted implies physical and empowered implies the terminus gains something from this

long bloom
#

infused

fleet wedge
agile matrix
pliant ruin
#

attuned
inserted
linked
connected
infused
attached

icy veldt
#

Penetrated

agile matrix
#

thats worse

hybrid barn
pliant ruin
#

"impregnated" has far more implications than any of these dude

#

😭

agile matrix
hybrid barn
#

Aww, I wanted to read that

icy veldt
cloud ibex
pliant ruin
#

itd be so fucking funny

#

yeah i killed a dragon and made my dog into a god

#

cope

cloud ibex
#

not only did someone kill a dragon, they then got blood on the hands of an animal that had literally nothing to do with it

icy veldt
#

Imagine if someone made Yharim into a god using Yharon's soul XD

agile matrix
#

THAT would be funny.

#

what would he even be the god of though

long bloom
#

common consensus is god of eternity

agile matrix
#

yea but thats

fleet wedge
icy veldt
agile matrix
#

i dont think they'd do that

#

it makes. sense.

long bloom
#

???

pliant ruin
#

devs also support god of eternity

fleet wedge
agile matrix
#

like yea the guy who wanted to destroy all gods becomes a god forevermore, cruel irony

pliant ruin
#

idk they seem pretty related

agile matrix
#

but also like. dude killed basically every single god

#

excepting a few

pliant ruin
#

not any less related than flame/ashes or gluttony/slime

pliant ruin
#

yharim will never become a god

#

but this is just hypotheticals

agile matrix
#

yea

pliant ruin
#

as you yourself said

icy veldt
agile matrix
#

i woulda thought he'd've become something relating to like
the end

#

like conclusion

long bloom
#

that's the opposite of rebirth

icy veldt
pliant ruin
#

The concept of god of eternity is generally about what if yharim absorbed yharon's soul allll the way back on the god cult so maybe if he absorbed it now itd be different

pliant ruin
agile matrix
#

THAT is fair

pliant ruin
#

being anthonym to something is still being adjacent in a way

agile matrix
#

anthoynm

young socket
#

eternity being a possible domain for yhargod has been a thing since 2023

agile matrix
#

thats a good word

icy veldt
#

We're all gonna die! 🥳 Hooray!

agile matrix
#

if he took the egg back when he was told to, that would be eternity

#

that one makes sense

feral skiff
#

Eternity

#

Forever

#

♾️

long bloom
#

yk what else means the end

terminus

agile matrix
#

if he did it NOW, it could maybe be the god of terminus

long bloom
#

yeah but that sounds really dumb

feral skiff
#

The Beginning and The End..

agile matrix
#

it does

#

im tryna think of synonyms to conclusion

#

but all of them are just lame

#

i mean being the god of conclusion isnt. horrible

#

just a bit of a stepdown from Godseeker

cloud ibex
#

i also feel like him being the god of anything related to ends doesn't really fit yharim

#

cause like

agile matrix
#

he caused the end of gods and is stuck at his own conclusions without chance of change

cloud ibex
#

both in the timeline where he refused to ascend and the one where he did, his whole deal in a sense is eternity

long bloom
agile matrix
#

THAT is good

#

finality or finale

#

both accomplish similar

long bloom
cloud ibex
#

the difference is god yharim is the eternal king of the gods, while actual yharim is trying to endlessly extend the draconic reign that has long since ended and will never return

agile matrix
#

him taking yharons soul (the guy of rebirth, renewals, redos) as the guy who ends the godly era would make sense

#

for him to be god of finality

agile matrix
#

past yharim and current yharim are two very different people

long bloom
#

but the thing is you can't extend that

#

it's already joever

agile matrix
#

i mean.

#

you could

long bloom
#

no it's literally just yharon now

#

and you can't kill xeroc

agile matrix
#

asexual reproduction??? (im spitballing here)

long bloom
agile matrix
#

do you need two aurics to make another auric

long bloom
#

whar

#

you can't

cloud ibex
#

you can't make more auric souls

agile matrix
#

oh right. world soul.

cloud ibex
#

it's not possible

agile matrix
#

right.

#

lets MAKE another. with our HANDS.

#

:)

cloud ibex
#

there was a finite amount but then they got absorbed and then they got exploded and now it's just yharon

agile matrix
#

just ask yharon incredibly nicely to make another world soul

#

he's the guy of rebirth he can probably do it

hybrid barn
agile matrix
#

ask xeroc see if that fits into his schedule

long bloom
#

that begs the question
do other planets have world souls

icy veldt
agile matrix
#

that begs the question: are world souls tied to worlds or is that a misnomer

long bloom
#

how would they not be

cloud ibex
#

i mean it doesn't seem like all the other dragon souls being absorbed did particularly much to the world itself

agile matrix
#

i've always thought that the world soul was a misname of the big bang

cloud ibex
#

the dragon of death got squonched but there sure as hell still is death in the world

pliant ruin
#

yeah pretty sure the world soul is in fact a literal

#

yknow

#

soul of the. yknow

#

no the world soul is an actual thing

#

its Magic

agile matrix
#

i mean by that logic we could probably go get more

#

just gotta. find more.

cloud ibex
#

the dragon of flame got squonched but fire still exists

pulsar ocean
#

Did you know that the terrarian actually shattered the world soul and then went into hibernation until the events of terraria

agile matrix
#

this is true

pliant ruin
#

Dunno if other planets have world souls but theoretically not out of question

agile matrix
#

the source is me

#

i did it

normal mantle
# agile matrix do you need two aurics to make another auric

No there are a bunch of dragon-descendant things like fishrons and wyrms, but none of them are auric dragons because the power couldn’t be passed on, any dragon that didn’t exist when the souls were given to dragons just had to live without them

long bloom
pliant ruin
#

The dragon's auric souls are literally just their "original" souls + the world soul shards (which is where the domains come from) so we know the world soul is an actual tangible physical thing

hybrid barn
pliant ruin
#

like it really is probably just the quite literal Soul of the World

agile matrix
#

that makes sense

hybrid barn
#

So does that apply for certain domains?

pulsar ocean
#

Imagine if there were dark auric dragons and evil auric souls and dark gods

agile matrix
#

this exists

cloud ibex
#

well

agile matrix
#

auric dragons and gods is just a general topic

#

there were likely very not good ones

cloud ibex
#

how many things can still rebirth at this point

pulsar ocean
long bloom
agile matrix
long bloom
agile matrix
#

by refights :)

long bloom
#

neither are boss refights

hybrid barn
normal mantle
long bloom
#

except scal

agile matrix
#

im aware

#

isnt yharon like half correct

pliant ruin
#

Zaelithar is john flame

pulsar ocean
long bloom
pliant ruin
#

The evil ass dragon provi killed

cloud ibex
hybrid barn
agile matrix
#

yes he can be reborn but he takes too long to do so

normal mantle
agile matrix
#

yea but we could not feasibly stay in the world long enough

#

it takes 10 years-ish?

pulsar ocean
long bloom
agile matrix
#

its half right because while he CAN come back, he takes a long time to do so and cant just reappear

pulsar ocean
#

In 10 years I’m gonna drill up the whole planet with the onyx drill

pliant ruin
#

i just made this up btw

#

came to me in a dream

normal mantle
agile matrix
#

cryogen could teeechnically be refightable because perma could just make another cryogen

agile matrix
long bloom
#

calamitas made cryogen

pulsar ocean
pliant ruin
#

yes

#

we are

agile matrix
#

okay well calamitas could

pliant ruin
#

both of them probably could

agile matrix
#

half true, again; supreme calamitas is not an npc until you beat the video game

pliant ruin
#

calamitas. permafrost. i need you to make me an army of cryogens

#

i'm going to fight yharim

#

with an army of ice cubes

pulsar ocean
#

Why didn’t calamitas fire choke yharim while he’s asleep

agile matrix
#

ks is just a really big blob, same with eoc being a big eye

agile matrix
#

also yharon

normal mantle
# long bloom calamitas made cryogen

They made it together but it’s obviously mostly permafrost. yharim acknowledged that he could sense permafrosts magic in cryogenic but just didn’t pay it any mind

agile matrix
#

uhhhh what other bosses

#

what bosses are just really big things that arent really specific creatures

pliant ruin
#

king slime and eoc are absolutely refightable yea king slime is just like a natural organism and eoc is just random divine essence glupshitto number 300

hybrid barn
#

Actually I wonder something! So the only bar for being capable of ascending is having a soul, right?

agile matrix
#

slime god flees the fight

#

so he's fine

pliant ruin
#

theoretically, though unless the ritual can be performed on another entity that is not you then being sapient aswell

normal mantle
pulsar ocean
agile matrix
#

jared himself is specifically blessed

pliant ruin
#

eidolon wyyrms, though, yeah

#

primordial wyrm is just 1 guy

agile matrix
#

the eidolons are not bosses

hybrid barn
#

Because the soul is still there, just not the body

pliant ruin
#

the single oldest and first wyrm who is not only blessed by silva but similarly to OD seems to retain alot of his sapience compared to his more animalistic counterparts

agile matrix
agile matrix
#

the mechs are. rebuildable?

normal mantle
agile matrix
#

soul cost though

#

calclone is not refightable right, they dont flee the fight

pliant ruin
#

you could rebuild the mechs but they wouldn't really be the actual mechs since yeah the souls

long bloom
#

god i can't wait until od has actual lore

pliant ruin
#

go grandpa

#

go racist grandpa

long bloom
#

also eol and plantera

agile matrix
#

basically the conditions for refightability is

is just a big creature that theres a lot of
the enemy flees the fight when they "die"
the enemy cancels the fight when they are low
the boss can be remade consistantly

normal mantle
agile matrix
#

scal is refightable while exos are theoretically refightable

pliant ruin
#

Old duke has a shit ton of lore

long bloom
agile matrix
#

since draedon could make more it'd just be reaaaallly fucking expensive i'd think

pliant ruin
#

It's just none of it is ingame yet

agile matrix
young socket
pliant ruin
#

He could theoretically make more but it'd be

#

years

#

several years

long bloom
pliant ruin
long bloom
#

you cure it

agile matrix
#

oh awesome

young socket
#

he just figured "ice thing in heartlands tundra? must be permafrosts! and its going wild, so he must be dead!!"

pliant ruin
#

It just dosen't look like that ingame because uhhhh old boss fight that hasnt been reworked

agile matrix
#

... how would we refight it then

long bloom
#

you'll also probably be able to spare calclone in the future

agile matrix
#

ahh

pliant ruin
#

Realistically you probably wouldnt

#

Deus just goes into space again and now has no reason to go fight you

normal mantle
agile matrix
#

no they fall to pieces

#

(or explode :) )

pliant ruin
#

But maybe if you went into space to beat the worm up for no reason because youre bored

long bloom
agile matrix
#

golem is a construct made by the lizards

#

are they refightable

pliant ruin
long bloom
agile matrix
#

okay so not refightable

pliant ruin
#

I did a bit of an analysis or just predictions for OD a while back, atleast based on what we know

#

let me try finding it

agile matrix
#

DoG dies full stop, Yharon takes too long to respawn

normal mantle
#

Is plantera technically refightable? Looking at the bulbs it looks like it grew into a species of plant

agile matrix
#

the sentinels are funky

agile matrix
#

plant is refightable i believe

long bloom
#

with a shit ton of souls

pliant ruin
#

weaver isn't refightable because it's just one guy
signus i guess theoretically since iirc he wont die in his fight

#

ceaseless is uh

#

complicated??

agile matrix
#

challenge run where you can only kill a boss if it can be respawned later

long bloom
agile matrix
#

weaver dies, signus vanishes, ceaseless i think just explodes

normal mantle
pliant ruin
#

the main thing about old duke is that he extremely bitter against auric dragonkind

pliant ruin
#

due to the fact he got just this close to being one of them

pulsar ocean
pliant ruin
#

FREE MY WORM

#

FREE HIM

agile matrix
#

would he be friends with jared

long bloom
#

no

agile matrix
#

they both, iirc, hate auric souls

pliant ruin
#

Knowing old duke he'd

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He'd probably enslave him

agile matrix
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just for different reasons

pliant ruin
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he hates xeroc

agile matrix
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like. wait

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what???

normal mantle
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Is polterghast technically refightable if enough people get tossed into the dungeon over like 600 years

agile matrix
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like enslave enslave??

pliant ruin
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yeah

pliant ruin
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One of the plans is that he has an army of enslaved dragons

pulsar ocean
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yeah

agile matrix
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tiny ass fish enslaves gigantic blessed worm???????????

pliant ruin
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Not auric dragons i mean just like normal ass dragons

pliant ruin
pulsar ocean
agile matrix
pliant ruin
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,, yeah?

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why wouldnt he

hybrid barn
pliant ruin
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every single boss does

long bloom
agile matrix
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no like

pulsar ocean
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What if old duke has like 50 wyverns

agile matrix
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he has sentience?????

pliant ruin
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yes

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he is fully sapient

long bloom
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oh

normal mantle
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Wait I wasn’t paying attention is Jared grandpa duke?

pliant ruin
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hes literally racist

pliant ruin
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jared's primwyrm

long bloom
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yeah he's sapient