Yeah
#lore-discussion
astral coyote
split mortar
We dunno
Prob exo something due to them still having the exo resonance
icy veldt
Neither does not murdering civilians for worshipping gods, so maybe the Plague is a bit misjudged 
split mortar
Neither does not murdering civilians for worshipping gods, so maybe the Plague i...
Nah that passes the vibe check
dusk laurel
the clues we have are that miracle matter is a combination of exhausted exo prisms and a bunch of metals
icy veldt
Nah that passes the vibe check
I said not murdering civilians
The word "not" is important
icy veldt
Wow
split mortar
Putting my keyboard in a bath for that mistake
astral coyote
icy veldt
Putting my keyboard in a bath for that mistake
You should put Plague nanomachines into yourself for that mistake 
astral coyote
Are there popular fan reworks of calclone
cloud ibex
calshade i guess
kinda stretching the definition of "fan rework" but you know how it goes
icy veldt
Are there popular fan reworks of calclone
When you say "rework", do you mean submod or something else?
astral coyote
Just art
Idk where in the timeline draedon makes the exo mechs in relation to when he makes calclone
split mortar
What was draedon working on when he was making the cloning tech?
Cloning aint hard and the guy could already make nanobots so the cloning process was prob nothing new to em
Did teach the guy scals power is not naturally hers
split mortar
Idk where in the timeline draedon makes the exo mechs in relation to when he mak...
Exos are made during our journey
Calclone predates it by an amount i forgor
split mortar
@limpid saddle clone mentions btw
astral coyote
Not for yharim
split mortar
Not for yharim
Draedon and yharim cut contact since the pbg situation sorta
limpid saddle
Well he didn't construct the Exo Mechs specifically for the Terrarian to fight, the Terrarian just happened to be the perfect opportunity for a test run
split mortar
^
limpid saddle
He naturally made the Exo Mechs as an evolution of his prior designs
split mortar
Multiple birds one stone
Test terrarian
Test exos
astral coyote
Huh he just made god powered mechanical monstrosities for fun?
split mortar
To push his limits in technology
astral coyote
Alrighty
limpid saddle
Huh he just made god powered mechanical monstrosities for fun?
well not god powered
ok well
astral coyote
What sort of tech did he have when making calclone
dusk laurel
they arent god powered but
limpid saddle
Technically?
astral coyote
Powerful as gods
dusk laurel
exo prisms are from sea prisms
astral coyote
Not powered by gods
limpid saddle
cause the crystals formed due to otonilou
split mortar
Powerful as gods
They surpass all but one of the gods
dusk laurel
which are essentially infinitely charged crystals because of the goddess of electricity
limpid saddle
What sort of tech did he have when making calclone
It was prior to the development of Exo Prisms, that's our reference point
astral coyote
Oh yeah what gods are still alive after we fight scal
dusk laurel
slime god
astral coyote
It was prior to the development of Exo Prisms, that's our reference point
Alrighty
limpid saddle
It was prior to the development of Exo Prisms, that's our reference point
He made her because he wanted to use Calamitas's brimstone flames to make a better furnace
astral coyote
That's so funny
dusk laurel
technically silva since shes just gonna regenerate back anyways
split mortar
Slime god and providence are optional
Silva cant die
Xeroc has the sun and so cant die either basically
Idk anyone else
limpid saddle
That's so funny
yeah he wanted to upgrade his smithing tools that's the sole reason she exists
limpid saddle
then Scal broke her out & Calclone accidentally absorbed some of her brimstone & went crazy
astral coyote
Oh okie
limpid saddle
then Scal broke her out & Calclone accidentally absorbed some of her brimstone &...
Well I personally theorize that during the brimstone transfer process whatever, Calamitas Clone also absorbed some of Scal's memories, to explain the existence of the Cataclysmic & Catastrophic Constructs
astral coyote
Was she finished when scal broke her out or was draedon still tinkering
limpid saddle
I believe due to her underdeveloped mind & lack of will she could take in far less Brimstone than Scal before losing it
limpid saddle
Was she finished when scal broke her out or was draedon still tinkering
No she was fully grown & deemed a failure
Dumped in a vat somewhere probably
astral coyote
Ah I see
Successful just unable to harness brimstone till scal broke her out?
What's the deal with brimstone anyway
split mortar
Successful just unable to harness brimstone till scal broke her out?
No she lacked the power all together
Only once she was broken out did she get powers
astral coyote
Yea that's what I mean
split mortar
Only once she was broken out did she get powers
And even then they are much below scal
limpid saddle
Successful just unable to harness brimstone till scal broke her out?
Well yeah she was a 100% accurate clone
astral coyote
Interesting
limpid saddle
Which leads some (me) to think Calamitas's capacity to absorb Brimstone/potentially Elemental magic is genetic but wielding it is not
split mortar
Scal sponge theory…
astral coyote
Hm
limpid saddle
Cause we know Calamitas only gained her magic after coming into contact with & doing battle with the Brimstone Elemental
astral coyote
What is brimstone really
limpid saddle
& Calamitas Clone, similarly, only gained her magic after coming into contact with Calamitas
split mortar
What is brimstone really
a magic with how its used
It also has ties to necromancy and souls according to a theory iirc
limpid saddle
What is brimstone really
it's kinda just the calamity equivalent of a 'fire elemental' but with unique volcano/hell themeing
dusk laurel
a magic with how its used
It also has ties to necromancy and souls according to ...
this
limpid saddle
a magic with how its used
It also has ties to necromancy and souls according to ...
thus said believed connections to necromancy
astral coyote
Huh okie
astral coyote
What's the deal with the constructs?
split mortar
For scal she summons her undead brothers to help in the fight
For clone she is mimicking that with magic puppets iirc
astral coyote
Are they her actual brothers?
limpid saddle
What's the deal with the constructs?
we dont actually know but some (me) believe they are idols created with necromancy or some other form of magical manipulation if the inanimate to help Calamitas Clone cope
limpid saddle
Are they her actual brothers?
For Scal? Yeah they're their actual corpses
limpid saddle
The constructs are crude recreations
astral coyote
That's rough buddy
limpid saddle
yeah
astral coyote
So theoretically
dusk laurel
a policy i have with old content in regards to lore is basically completely ignore it unless said by a dev otherwise because the entire mod is basically being remade
astral coyote
Calamitas clone would look like a crazed version of calamitas who had been roaming on her own
She'd have unstable brimstone powers and likely be attached to some kind of vat or some other draedon tech
pliant ruin
Not necessarily
Dunno if there's anything implying she needsa ny sort of life support like that
She isn't a failed clone
She's a perfect biological clone of Calamitas
astral coyote
That's less cool though
pliant ruin
The "failure" is simply because she dosen't have any of her powers, since Calamitas's powers aren't biological
limpid saddle
Yeah that's why my design looks like that
pliant ruin
That's less cool though
Not really imo
limpid saddle
just calamitas who's gone through a really bad week
pliant ruin
I think people actually entirely miss how much potential calcone has a character
Because they just think the most interesting path to take her is body horror monster number 300
which is actually imo one of the most boring ones
Calamity has, alot of those as is
astral coyote
Awh man
pliant ruin
And really, you have a character who's a literal clone of someone else
And you decide to go with body horror?
Really?
Not existential dread, identity crisis
Body horror ,e ven though there's like
6 other body horror bosses?
astral coyote
There goes my motivation to respite her out the window
split mortar
Calamity has, *alot* of those as is
Ravager being prob best of tht
light linden
personally I always thought cal clone was like
pliant ruin
Ravager is by far the best yeah
dusk laurel
ravager and perforators
pliant ruin
Ravager is goated
dusk laurel
i love new rav
split mortar
We dunno perfs tho…
light linden
personally I always thought cal clone was like
forced to stay in some type of vial/jar thing so she'd stay alive
pliant ruin
Calclone works best imo when she's much more of a psaychological chrisis and an actual character than just another monster for you to fight
pliant ruin
forced to stay in some type of vial/jar thing so she'd stay alive
Yes that was what she was in old lore
dusk laurel
i wonder if the mech brother idea will go through
pliant ruin
An idea i like for calclone is that she actually dosen't use much brimstone magic at all
split mortar
I should make a folder with concept arts now i know how to…
pliant ruin
Instead relying more on her own ingenuity and survival skills
Not only due to the toll brimstone magic has on her but also
Due to the fact it's associated with Calamitas
she dosen't Want to be Calamitas she wants to be Herself
light linden
Gotta come up with something else to sprite
infected armor plating
dusk laurel
oh my god
pliant ruin
the horrors
limpid saddle
An idea i like for calclone is that she actually dosen't use much brimstone magi...
I think C.C is too out of it for an existential crisis
pliant ruin
i wonder if the mech brother idea will go through
mech brother idea is so peak
split mortar
infected armor plating
Oh my fuck helling shit peak suggestion
light linden
jokes aside are they getting resprited with the other plague stuff?
dusk laurel
i dont see why not
limpid saddle
I think C.C is too out of it for an existential crisis
maybe when she's done screaming into the night & eating burnt deer looking like a cryptid she'll get to that but right now she has nothing
pliant ruin
You can assume most things are until said otherwise
split mortar
The plague stuff is getting resprited?
What in calamity isnt getting resprited is a better question
light linden
The plague stuff is getting resprited?
a few enemies and the canister are iirc
dusk laurel
the mech brother idea is that instead of clone having really bad copies of cal's dead brothers she instead was given a mech that would be her brother that she sticks around with
astral coyote
Mkay
light linden
what happened to hpu?
dusk laurel
but plague will still get resprited'
pliant ruin
Instead of just bootleg version of the actual Calamitas's brothers instead calclone' "brother" would be a construct that, much like herself, was a "failed" creation of draedon
dusk laurel
she left
light linden
any public reason?
limpid saddle
in that she is a test-tube baby, grown in a vat with zero reference point in life outside of the scarring visions of memories that aren't her own living on survival instinct & fear
pliant ruin
And they form a bond together on their similar origins, working together to survive in a world that isn't very Kind to them
dusk laurel
she retired bcuz she overworked herself
light linden
got it
astral coyote
Hm interesting
pliant ruin
calclone is genuinely the single character in the mod that i think, atleast in my opinion
Gets consistently fumbled when it comes to redesigns or interpretations of her just because again i really dunno why people
really, really just lean into body horror for her
light linden
personally while I think more calclone stuff is neat
limpid saddle
thats true
light linden
I want more info about other continents in game first
astral coyote
*really*, *really* just lean into body horror for her
It's easier than existential psychological horror
Typically
pliant ruin
I guess it's probably just because the old scrapped redesign by iban was popualr so that left an impression on people
limpid saddle
I think a redesign should have elements of that, like with the exposed burned muscle on the face in my design, but should lean more into looking like Calamitas but, cruder, more primordial & violent
astral coyote
I wanna learn more about stuff so I can try making some sprites
dusk laurel
thunder we're getting other continent info next update!!!!! this is not relevent to clone getting more fleshed out lore
pliant ruin
I think calclone shouldn't look like a body horror monster but she should look like someon who's had it Rough
Like homeless bum that fought a bear the other day
limpid saddle
I think calclone shouldn't look like a body horror monster but she should look l...
nod nod
astral coyote
If draedon was making her for a fucking furnace why is she a perfect human clone
limpid saddle
If draedon was making her for a fucking furnace why is she a perfect human clone
because he needed calamitas's magic
light linden
I still wonder why draedon thought it was a good idea to make essentially the ultron virus in the biggest ecological hub on the continent
split mortar
If draedon was making her for a fucking furnace why is she a perfect human clone
Because scal is what he wanted to replicate so replicate it perfectly
limpid saddle
not like, a screaming torso or something
astral coyote
Weird
light linden
I still wonder why draedon thought it was a good idea to make essentially the ul...
and not in the underworld or on the hellhole continent
pliant ruin
would be to replicate Calamitas
the problem is that Calamitas's power weren't biological to begin with so
The result was just
light linden
just away from 90% of living things
pliant ruin
Calamitas! except shes.l a normal ass person
or well
"normal" ass person yk what i mean
shes normal in that she dosent have fuckass powers
pliant ruin
anyawys shower time
limpid saddle
anyawys shower time
good job cheese
light linden
just away from 90% of living things
he literally made the mistake with all zombie diseases in fiction
limpid saddle
go get clean
light linden
What would be cool to sprite
serious answer for you
split mortar
What would be cool to sprite
Ravager concept art
light linden
what about the dragon of flame?
astral coyote
Yharon?
split mortar
Also true
dusk laurel
yharon is not the dragon of flame
light linden
yharon is the dragon of rebirth
astral coyote
Right
light linden
the dragon of flame is tied to providence
astral coyote
Who is the dragon of flame
split mortar
Yharon is rebirth
Flame was eaten and consumed by providence
light linden
we don't know much about them currently
astral coyote
Huh okie
dusk laurel
the dragon of flame is a fucking evil dragon that was killed by providence
limpid saddle
no
astral coyote
Do most dragons look like yharon
limpid saddle
They were a Fucking Evil Dragon that got murdered by a lesbian polycule
dusk laurel
and probably the only dragon i would consider to look like the typical evil fire-breathing european dragon
limpid saddle
thats like all we know
dusk laurel
Do most dragons look like yharon
no
light linden
outside of providence's design not really
split mortar
If you want a more concrete design thing then look at ravager concept art
dusk laurel
all auric dragons are different
light linden
even then we don't know how much a dragon's design is tied to the god
astral coyote
That sounds easier but ravager is also a lot bigger
dusk laurel
the design of a god depends entirely on how much they are defined by their godly power
for example otonilou didnt really change physically at all when she ascended
and then theres sg
dusk laurel
ravager
astral coyote
Yep
light linden
the first part reminds me of dnd mimics
astral coyote
Yea
Idk if I can make that guy he big
I'll think about it later rn I gota to go mtg :>
plucky juniper
I guess it's probably just because the old scrapped redesign by iban was popualr...
if you ask me, the reason is that it's more fun to create a body horror design based off calamitas rather than just... calamitas again.
i myself should know well about transforming an existing character into a body horror version of themselves
cloud ibex
ok but you don't need to make just calamitas again you can make disheveled even more homeless calamitas barely keeping it together
pliant ruin
if you ask me, the reason is that it's more fun to create a body horror design b...
You can make her not calamitas again
The humble artificer trash goblin calclone
plucky juniper
but then again, if we're going off of ideas by triangle, you dont need body horror
you just need a sufficiently terrifying mech
pliant ruin
i mean yeah that's kind of my entire point
i think body horror is unfitting for calclone
plucky juniper
i think body horror is unfitting for calclone herself
is what you should be saying
becuase yknow
the constructs of her brothers
pliant ruin
I think a common sentiment i see echo in some places is that "its just a person, thats boring" and icl i find that to be a very annoying take because it really just boils down to
you like creature design more than character design
whic his liuke, fine
People have their preferences for what they have a interest in or like working on
I myself like both
But people who act as if character design was just inherently less valuable because "It's just a person" really miss how much nuance you can show off in character design
THe entire point is telling a story through visuals after all
creature design in of itself is a form of cahracter design but it does have a few distinct principles at times that i think make it worth separating the 2 in a context such as this
For me character design is when you want to tell a character's story, personality,past, or anything like that through their design
Creature desing is when you want to communicate more so a being's "nature" throguh a design - What does it do, where does it live, how does it act, etc
Atleast how i see it anyways maybe i'm just spouting nonsense i'm not an art student or anything
Not even much of an artist myself i just like good designs (tHO I'VE been trying to get better at the whole art thing)
icy veldt
Could always use biomancy to turn people into fucked-up flesh abominations, if you're so inclined
plucky juniper
For me character design is when you want to tell a character's story, personalit...
You can convey that through creature design too
its optional, sure, but it is doable
for instance:
thick slate
people are boring
pliant ruin
You can convey that through creature design too
That's what id call character design tbh but it is ultimately kind of semantics
for me creature/character design distinction usually depends on what it is youre making a design for
plucky juniper
to be fair, that is moreso combining creature and character design
pliant ruin
yeah
like devourer of gods is a combination of both
statis is just character design
desert scourge is just creature design
imo,a nyways, but again, semantics
ultimately
all of them r character designs, objectively
abstract hedge
for instance:
Isn't the one guy who hates Bayle based on Captain Ahab or am I making that up?
plucky juniper
Isn't the one guy who hates Bayle based on Captain Ahab or am I making that up?
ya
thats why he got the harpoons
astral coyote
What is poltergast really
eager bluff
so polterghast is what happens when you kill about probably ten thousand people and stick them all in a hole and then watch as they all get very very angry and their souls merge together into one superentity that really wants to kill you specifically
robust osprey
basically undertale amalgam but angrier
dusk laurel
also its blue and red
robust osprey
nintendo switch
dusk laurel
✅
thick slate
toothpaste demon
abstract hedge
What is poltergast really
A bunch of angry ghosts clumped together.
dusk laurel
true!
thick slate
thats... problematic
abstract hedge
That's woke
low lily
Horrible idea
visual cipher
How old is scal exactly?
I dont remember if she joined early on in the crusades, or around halfway though
based on which she should be between around 50 and 70 years old, right?
real glen
20s
real glen
Shes 26-28
She was like 12 when joined yharim
visual cipher
man she joins the crusades really late
when did her brothers die?
as I understand it the catastrophe and cataclysm we fight are reanimated corpses
pliant ruin
man she joins the crusades really late
Joined pretty late and left relatively shortly after too
She left while she was still not an adult iirc, somewhere around her 17s?
Her narrative would be alot harder to construct around if she had been working with Yharim and killing innocents regularly all the way into her late adulthood
magic epoch
they should make the red more pink
robust osprey
old polterghast
sinful adder
Peak
left rivet
Is polterghast gonna get a resprite?
sinful adder
Someday yes
But that's a long time off
All the bosses will from what I understand
robust osprey
I heard exos levi and scal wouldn't? but that was with fab idk if that is still correct
robust osprey
it's true
left rivet
Why not
split mortar
i dont think aquatic scourge needs a resprite
Spiky worm monster is a bit overdone
If desert scoog gets one idk why aquatic shouldnt
astral coyote
There are five worm bosses and one boss that makes worm bosses but isn't itself a worm
thick slate
more worms please
astral coyote
I'm a leatherworker, if I made some armor inspired by calamity's art what would be coolest
thick slate
what does learher taste like
astral coyote
what does learher taste like
Weird dry tough skin fabric
astral coyote
Oh true
thick slate
take a bite
astral coyote
Tanning stuff and like whatever leather smells like
astral coyote
Ig if you dye or finish it it'll taste more like that
thick slate
hopefully you finish it
astral coyote
Water stain would probably taste kinda like cheap acrylic paint
astral coyote
hopefully you finish it
You remind me of my friend
thick slate
im a lot of people
astral coyote
Who is bitchless and is making it everyone else's problem (I love her for it tho)y
astral coyote
I can't spel
thick slate
im not bitchless hey
astral coyote
🤷♀️
thick slate
i have plenty (one
astral coyote
I have plenty(one) too
limpid saddle
after this travesty i really need to go back to spriting
prime mauve
have y'all ever heard the lore about whispering death
split mortar
What debuff is that i forgor
pulsar ocean
do ashes of annihilation annihilate
young socket
have y'all ever heard the lore about whispering death
no
young socket
What debuff is that i forgor
signus + polter + dog one
its like bleeding but a lot worse
(negates all life regen and also reduces ur damage by 10%)
split mortar
signus + polter + dog one
What in the fuck do those bosses have in common for us to theorise on whispering death
wanton pendant
They used to call it Shouting Death but death has a sore throat.
pulsar ocean
whispering death
death approaches
who else is john death
moonlord
dog and polter and signus are moonlord offsprings
wanton pendant
Doesn't make any sense.
Everyone knows DoG is adopted.
pulsar ocean
can gordon freeman beat yharim calamity mod
cosmic minnow
have y'all ever heard the lore about whispering death
Isn’t that the albino dragon from „how to tame your dragon“
?
split mortar
Isn’t that the albino dragon from „how to tame your dragon“
Its the calamity debuff
Also screaming death is the albino super horror one i think
Whispering for the small ones iirc
prime mauve
the lore on whispering death, according to fabsol, is that it's a special toxin made by signus
why do other people inflict it? idk
young socket
so special that polterghast can use it too !!!
wanton pendant
can gordon freeman beat yharim calamity mod
He's just a man. A free man.
split mortar
the lore on whispering death, according to fabsol, is that it's a special toxin ...
😭
swift badger
He's just a man. A free man.
A freeman with no third game
feral skiff
can gordon freeman beat yharim calamity mod
No, he’d only defeat King Slime or the EoC (only because of the HEV suit, he’s literally a normal guy)
feral skiff
hopium injection on-route
cosmic zenith
why do other people inflict it? idk
Probably either lore connections (DoG) or people spreading the debuff around without knowledge of that lore
plucky lichen
Hello stip
cosmic zenith
Hello
robust osprey
I have nothing to add to the conversation I’m just saying hello
you're being added to calamity lore
split mortar
Do catpeople exist in calamity
plucky lichen
Wow!
robust osprey
lainey the first catgirl of calamity lore
plucky lichen
Do catpeople exist in calamity
Glad people are asking the real questions
robust osprey
yum
plucky lichen
I feel haunted by my chums
robust osprey
eats haunted chum
plucky lichen
lainey the first catgirl of calamity lore
Fact I’m canon
plucky lichen
eats haunted chum
AHHHH AUGHHHHH AHAHAHAHAHHH
robust osprey
tastes like lesbian
plucky lichen
Calling me out here
split mortar
Been a while since i have heard of peoples terrarians here just realised
robust osprey
idk my terrarian is just a girl
mighty zenith
i havent had a terrarian since my plant guy
split mortar
I have not really developed my terrarian since i last talked of em many months ago
split mortar
maybe natasha??
Yeah i can see that
robust osprey
konah is the most terrarian-coded of my ocs I think
though I haven't even used him
sadly
random mulch
simply haven't felt like doing anything with bonebag
plucky lichen
Been a while since i have heard of peoples terrarians here just realised
My terrarian is Eris
Eris has just been repurposed for rp
But I mean she still has an original story
split mortar
Thought she was made for that rp 😭
split mortar
Eris solos yharim crazy
plucky lichen
Eris solos yharim crazy
Yes shes locked in!
split mortar
Damn
plucky lichen
You were literally the first person I talked to about her melon
You forgor 💔
Ugh my phone battery about to die
split mortar
Rip
plucky lichen
Bruh and my service is fried
fierce pagoda
fried chicken
plucky lichen
Oh well I’m digitalizing that catgirl drawing it’s fine
real silo
Cammer was made for rp but I've always wanted to make a terrarian oc
My only other attempt at it was a silly robot dude who's angry at draedon and wants to steal all his motherboards
dusk laurel
💔
plucky lichen
Ok I got WiFi on my iPad life is good
cosmic zenith
I didn't get to make a Terrarian OC before I had to make my rp characters, but I'm taking Mosaic as my main OC now lol
split mortar
I didn't get to make a Terrarian OC before I had to make my rp characters, but I...
LMAO
plucky lichen
All my ocs are incredibly pathetic and I feel like it’s a reflection of myself
cosmic zenith
Busted: barely fights
plucky lichen
I can’t stop making pathetic people it’s terrible
split mortar
All my ocs are incredibly pathetic and I feel like it’s a reflection of myself
Had a dream where i became ebonia idk what this means
plucky lichen
Eris upscale when
plucky lichen
Actually her being my terrarian might be an upscale
plucky lichen
Get yourself out of giant woman hell
THEY KEEP FOLLOWING ME!
split mortar
Actually her being my terrarian might be an upscale
Have her solo xeroc in your story
dusk laurel
my terrarian will be evil and called melon gun
plucky lichen
First Eris art vs more recent #improvement
split mortar
my terrarian will be evil and called melon gun
Lemme guess theyre ranger
plucky lichen
Have her solo xeroc in your story
I mean I could just do that but it might be unreasonable
real silo
eris lost her exo leg
plucky lichen
She did
dusk laurel
Lemme guess theyre ranger
you get to deci-
real silo
Heartbreaking
fierce pagoda
exotic leg!
split mortar
eris lost her exo leg
Wait she had an exo leg
dusk laurel
exotic resonance
plucky lichen
In the original she lost her leg to the exo mechs so she made a new one
split mortar
Exotic resonance
fierce pagoda
do we really have to say the resonance part
plucky lichen
Exo for it sounds cool
fierce pagoda
exotic sword sounds better than exotic resonance sword
split mortar
do we really have to say the resonance part
Its the name of the phenomena
fierce pagoda
actualy Exo blade sounds the best of all
dusk laurel
exotic sword just sounds bad
real silo
exodium
plucky lichen
Exo blade is the coolest
fierce pagoda
Exotic resonance was thats what it was called in the debuff tooltip before Dreadon told us it in dreatalk
real silo
Exo mechs is such an iconic name
dusk laurel
exo blade is an iconic name but its also inaccurate and melee players need to be punished
split mortar
Made of Miracle matter
plucky lichen
Im playing melee and I want to go back to ranger so bad
split mortar
its miracle matter
Miracle matter does have exotic resonance tbf
fierce pagoda
miracle matter still induces exotic resonance doesnt it
i mean based on the debuff it does
real silo
Ranger is my comfort class
fierce pagoda
Miracle Blight
dusk laurel
the debuff is miracle blight
plucky lichen
Ranger is the best
real silo
Whenever I do mp or something I just default to ranger
fierce pagoda
yeha read its tooltip
plucky lichen
Most fun in my opinion
real silo
If nobody got my back I know ranger got my back
plucky lichen
https://tenor.com/view/miracle-matter-dark-matter-kirby-gif-3011735447952449548
What the fuck is this
mighty zenith
What the fuck is this
miracle matter
hybrid barn
its miracle matter
Miracle matter basically is an exo prism, I'm pretty sure, just an overloaded one
split mortar
What the fuck is this
Kirby boss
dusk laurel
https://tenor.com/view/miracle-matter-dark-matter-kirby-gif-3011735447952449548
love how new mm unintentionally looks more like the kirby boss
plucky lichen
Ough I need to play a Kirby game
dusk laurel
Miracle matter basically is an exo prism, I'm pretty sure, just an overloaded on...
depleted exo prisms and metal alloys
fierce pagoda
somehwere
mighty zenith
is any kirby game a metroidvania
amazing mirror
split mortar
KIRBY HAS A METROIDVANIA????
fierce pagoda
amazing mirror
hell yeah
split mortar
FUCKING WHAT?
mighty zenith
its a weird game for sure
plucky lichen
I took a survey on peoples favorite pokemon and if you’ve played the games and some motherfucker said Kirby
mighty zenith
absolute ass to 100%
hybrid barn
I took a survey on peoples favorite pokemon and if you’ve played the games and s...
Ah damn, it's blue
split mortar
The d20 kirby boss is the final boss if you dont fit the requirement to fight 02 iirc
fierce pagoda
Ive only ever played Fire Red, and didnt get past the elite 4 or whatever they were called. and my favorite is rayquaza
I hadnt really grown my grinding instincts yet atp, so I couldnt be bothered to grind to level up any of my pokemon, thats why I never beat it
Charizard carried me all the way up until the water based elite 4 member
plucky lichen
Literally istg Azzy is friends with everyone in calmain every time I look at someone’s profile Azzy is their
fierce pagoda
hard countered...
cosmic zenith
Fortunately my roster seems pretty varied
For this rp, I have a dream mage, an angelic spirit, and a half-dragon goddess
With the secondary characters being a heavy axe warrior, a clairvoyant summoner, an Auric Dragon and two regular people
For future rps I have planned a weaponmaster artificer (Neoptomelus), a Radiance-style higher being (Lady Saturn), a dragon cult mad scientist, a greatsword warrior lady, and a Chrysonne cleric
split mortar
Literally istg Azzy is friends with everyone in calmain every time I look at som...
Yeah its kinda rare for me to see someone who has been here for a bit and azzy aint their friend
fierce pagoda
uhm...
split mortar
Wait colgator aint friennded by azzy wtf
cosmic zenith
Whenever I do mp or something I just default to ranger
I go anything but ranger
Dumb ahh class
hybrid barn
Literally istg Azzy is friends with everyone in calmain every time I look at som...
I'm not surprised, honestly! Like, I got this in DMs
How could anyone pass that up?
hoary cape
I am not friends with azzy so not everyone
fierce pagoda
Wait colgator aint friennded by azzy wtf
how do i fix this
hybrid barn
I am not friends with azzy so not everyone
It is inevitable
pliant ruin
hi lore chat what are you doing here
whats goin on
im currently in the roy mines but taking a break
hoary cape
Azzy is taking over
long bloom
rp rot
pliant ruin
whats all the fuzz about
pliant ruin
Azzy is taking over
good
hoary cape
I am immune
hybrid barn
whats all the fuzz about
There's too much of it, we're drowning
pliant ruin
azzy is the friendliest being on earth u can like say a funny word and theyll be like ok ur my friend now
dusk laurel
ssclsia
pliant ruin
Idk what's the convo going on rn but reminder that this is the lore discussion channel
hybrid barn
azzy is the friendliest being on earth u can like say a funny word and theyll be...
I don't even think I did that- I just randomly got a friend request some time after joining this server
hoary cape
Azzy saw you and went friend
pliant ruin
she does that
icy veldt
Do catpeople exist in calamity
🤯💀
hoary cape
I mostly have friend requests disabled to stop bots
plucky lichen
The freinder
plucky lichen
Charizard carried me all the way up until the water based elite 4 member
You mean the ice one
I mean she has water pokemon
But she’s technically ice specializing
Omg WiFi so bad
hoary cape
Plus people would occasionally send them to me without asking first and I was like nah
hoary cape
You won't see them on my profile
That also means you are friends with them if you see them on someone's profile
plucky lichen
Azzy is the friender
hybrid barn
I mostly have friend requests disabled to stop bots
I'll be honest, I didn't even know you could do that
hybrid barn
Makes sense, I guess there's just a lot of settings
hoary cape
It's under content and social
You just scroll down to the friends section and unselect the options
Boom then only you can friend people
Anyway lore
long scaffold
Is Yharim and his army more powerful than Xeroc?
cloud ibex
no
long scaffold
(in his prime)
dusk laurel
also no
cloud ibex
still no
long scaffold
Did Xeroc just... watch?
cloud ibex
unknown
dusk laurel
yharim had no chance with killing xeroc and its probably a reason why he gave up at the end
cloud ibex
it's possible that they chose not to involve themselves with what happens on the planet
or that they were busy with something else
dusk laurel
there wasnt much else he could do, not much time left to train since he wouldnt be in a prime state for long, there were basically no other gods he could walk up to and kill without them running away, etc
split mortar
(in his prime)
Isnt yharim physically the strongest he has ever been despite being on deaths door
dusk laurel
yes
long bloom
the army is not what it used to be though
dusk laurel
^
split mortar
the army is not what it used to be though
Ok true but idk how much john arbuckle with a taser is gonna do to the fucking sun god
long scaffold
SCal, Permafrost, and Draedon could probably leave a dent
long bloom
ehhhhh
split mortar
Permafrost is not a combatent
long scaffold
Ah, thought he was
split mortar
Draedon did not have the exos back then
long scaffold
Fair
split mortar
scal and exos combined are roughly equal to yharim iirc
Fucking
combined????
long bloom
i may not recall correctly
split mortar
I just flat out disagree with that what
The exo upgrades would be carrying HARD if he is that strong
long scaffold
Anyway, one more question:
Are dragons or gods with their Auric souls stronger? Does it depend on whether the Terminus was used?
wanton pendant
Only Auric Dragons have an Auric Soul.
long bloom
gods are generally stronger than the dragon they ate
wanton pendant
Gods have Godly Souls.
split mortar
The terminus is for perfect ascension
So uh
Not much of a data base since only silva and xeroc are the ones to have used it
wanton pendant
There isn't much data on perfect ascensions, but the ones we know of are quite strong.
You know, since one of them is literally number one.
dusk laurel
xeroc is the strongest being in existence
split mortar
Silva is third strongest god
long bloom
but again, their domains are life and the fucking sun
split mortar
Zeratros also had the fucking sun and was not xeroc level
dusk laurel
cancer beam or i dissolve your lungs choose
long bloom
Zeratros also had the fucking sun and was not xeroc level
yeah but he was a bitch
split mortar
Anyway, one more question:
Are dragons or gods with their Auric souls stronger? ...
I imagine the gods strength depends on how strong the person who ate it was as well
Tho
I think a good lot of gods are stronger nowadays just cause gods have more reason to hone their abilities combatively then dragons did
cosmic zenith
I think a good lot of gods are stronger nowadays just cause gods have more reason to hone their abilities combatively then dragons did
This is a massive, arguably the biggest, reason Gods are often stronger than their respective Dragons
wanton pendant
Dragons didn't go to the gym.
dusk laurel
that is true
wanton pendant
Are they stupid?
long bloom
the dragons were pretty complacent
which is part of why they got their shit rocked so hard by fovos
cloud ibex
the dragons were unified and mostly chilling, as opposed to the gods who were much more individualistic and most likely sometimes at war with each other
split mortar
days since lore chat scared away a new member
heavy zenith
Dragons didn't go to the gym.
Auric Dragon of Gym
pulsar ocean
is the xerock canon what even is its lore did the rock see how xeroc ascended
dusk laurel
yeah he broke it off the aerie sometime after ascending
split mortar
Unless xeroc went carving more rocks its probably the only bit of damage the aerie has endured ever iirc
dusk laurel
i mean, the terminus also seems to be made of the same rock
when it was carved out i have no idea
pulsar ocean
how much xerocks do I need to rebuild the aerie and summon yharim
dusk laurel
we just know it was around when xeroc ascended with zeratros' soul
judging by the fact that xeroc was only able to do it with the rock after ascending, and well the dragons would be too busy dealing with ml during the invasion
its not unreasonable to assume it could be older than like 900 years
hybrid barn
how much xerocks do I need to rebuild the aerie and summon yharim
At least two, sad he didn't carve any more
wanton pendant
how much xerocks do I need to rebuild the aerie and summon yharim
Enough to recreate this.
plucky juniper
the dragon aerie is actually just the singular block of infernal suevite
pliant ruin
Draedon and Calamitas working together could probably reasonably beat Yharim i feel
however
good luck getting them to do that
Draedon working with Calamitas? Maybe
Calamitas working with Draedon? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
split mortar
its not unreasonable to assume it could be older than like 900 years
Theory
The terminus is how the dragons got the domains from the world soul shards
It allows absorbing a soul to not change the domain and auric dragons probably have the same domain from the shard they got it from just like how perfect gods have the same domain as the dragon
pliant ruin
days since lore chat scared away a new member
did people start rotting an just doing inside jokes and vagueposting again
mighty zenith
moreso just rambling on with each other
split mortar
Anyway, one more question:
Are dragons or gods with their Auric souls stronger? ...
Dont think so
Just read down from here not many messages
pliant ruin
yeah i backread it seems normal
mighty zenith
someone asks a question and like 4 people proceed to answer then talk with each other and the new person stops talking
pliant ruin
reasonable way to answer someones question i think
you all wont be boiled by me today
i'm watching though
mighty zenith
someone asks a question and like 4 people proceed to answer then talk with each ...
not necessarily a bad thing its just a common trend here 
pliant ruin
someone asks a question and like 4 people proceed to answer then talk with each ...
everytime a new user is on this caht and people start doing inside jokes and answer thing things vaguely an angel loses its wings
pulsar ocean
would hekate solo yharim if calamitas fed it some brimstone magic like with cal clone or it doesn’t work like that
long bloom
hekate not canon
pulsar ocean
hekate not canon
so what…
limpid saddle
First Eris art vs more recent #improvement
its peam
light linden
> I think a good lot of gods are stronger nowadays just cause gods have more rea...
stip got time for a question?
cosmic zenith
Yes
light linden
how did azafure/illmeris get breathable air?
especially the former
since there isn't any sunlight for the plants to photosynthesize
thick slate
ohare from the lorax
eager bluff
there are still things that consume carbon dioxide and turn it into oxygen without photosynthesis
hybrid barn
Calamitas working with Draedon? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Something about this is kind of funny for me to imagine
"If your firepower and my machines were combined, we could reach heights previously unse-"
"You disgust me, leave"
"Duly noted"
eager bluff
there are still things that consume carbon dioxide and turn it into oxygen witho...
ilmeris primarily seems like something that would be quite prone to electrolysis
cosmic zenith
how did azafure/illmeris get breathable air?
- Azafure: firstly, it's likely the Azafurians are adapted to a lower oxygen level. Secondly, the higher pressure of the underground means there are more oxygen molecules per unit of volume. Thirdly, the Underworld probably has its own climate. As an extra, it's clear there are plants in Terraria that don't need sunlight.
- Ilmeris: Ilmerans appear to be very versatile and efficient at breathing; their biology is a lot less clear due to the fact they are so different and probably magical.
limpid saddle
everytime a new user is on this caht and people start doing inside jokes and ans...
I am the only one who can bring newcomers into the fold without being alienating or hyper-specific...
this is my calling...
agile matrix
Draedon and Calamitas working together could probably reasonably beat Yharim i f...
i mean its kinda like saying yharon could defeat yharim
like yea they could but i dont think the offending side sees the need to do so
draedon doesnt give a damn and calamitas does not want to see him nor draedon
pliant ruin
i mean its kinda like saying yharon could defeat yharim
like yea they could but ...
Uhhh not really
Yharon couldn't defeat Yharim
Like Yharim's just stronger
pliant ruin
I mean
agile matrix
i always thought they were on the same level
hybrid barn
Yharon used to be stronger, but between Yharim's training and his attunement to Yharon, he got to be pretty damn strong
agile matrix
hm
plucky juniper
honestly i think yharon should be the last boss before yharim
agile matrix
i mean he's guardianing for a reason i suppose
pliant ruin
Yharon and Yharim are on the "same level" in the sense Yharon isn't Yharim's pet
They are friends wit hmutual respect for eachother
agile matrix
yea
agile matrix
they're two incredibly powerful beings
pliant ruin
yeah Yharon's just stronger
agile matrix
yea
pliant ruin
no they're really not the asme
plucky juniper
it just feels better because yknow, yhar the on is the closest friend to yhar the im, and also is why the latter went on his whole god genocide thing
agile matrix
idk man if you asked me which was yharon and which was yharim i could reasonably call the other the first and vice
pliant ruin
me when their names are almost the fucking same for some reason (fabsol
eager bluff
see we need to use jrr tolkien logic here
pliant ruin
Like ok
Not everything is fabsols fault
but this one . this one is yeah this one is his fault
agile matrix
i feel like yharim being less named as yharon would be nifty
agile matrix
since yharim just feels like "omg........ kawaii..... thank you for saving me........"
eager bluff
see we need to use jrr tolkien logic here
yharon is yharim dragon so the name is a portmanteau of yharim and dragon
pliant ruin
He reanmed himself in honor of Yharon
Which works as a explanation by all means it'sa good one
pliant ruin
It just dosen't change that making them basically the almost same name is confusing :sob
But it's not really
something that can be changed reasonably
eager bluff
yharon is yharim dragon so the name is a portmanteau of yharim and dragon
its like how saruman is sauron man so the name is sauron plus man which equals saruman
agile matrix
ill take the fall
pliant ruin
maybe if Yharon and Yharim weren't two of the most iconic characters in this entire damn mod and the fact that renaming either of them would actually be a bigger issue than the confusion caused
by their names being similar
It's like changing dokuro themes its really not a good idea
hybrid barn
but this one . this one is yeah this one is his fault
This reminds me of a conversation I saw on the subreddit, where one person was talking about how a lot of the shakier parts of the mod's general quality are in some way a result of Fabsol, another person came in to say "Oh, I know he was a bad person, but we shouldn't blame everything on him just because of that"
And overwhelmingly, the response was just "Yeah...but those are still his fault"
eager bluff
me when i want to talk about yharim but the nefarious one letter over on the keyboard
agile matrix
see its really funny to blame things on stuff the person did not infact do, because they did so much wrong
like yes fabsol crashed my car ofc they did they're fabsol
pliant ruin
This reminds me of a conversation I saw on the subreddit, where one person was t...
Yeah no it basically is this
No, not everything is fabsols fault
hybrid barn
But some things definitely are
agile matrix
not EVERYTHING but a lot of it is
pliant ruin
Blaming everything on him can actually be more harmful than positive
But at the SAME TIME
Uh yeah like. uh
eager bluff
this was him
agile matrix
i do it ironically
pliant ruin
yeah most of it is his fault
cloud ibex
not everything is his fault but a surprising amount is
agile matrix
im aware of the fact that some of the mod is not actually his fault but a lot is
more is his fault than is not
eager bluff
not everything is his fault but a surprising amount is
i would have used unsurprising there but
cloud ibex
for someone unfamiliar with fab it's surprising
hybrid barn
i would have used unsurprising there but
Depends on how in-the-know you are
agile matrix
still cannot get over the fact that half of the bosses pre-rework are just
vanilla ai with some dust
eager bluff
it is not half
pliant ruin
half
agile matrix
cause like
young socket
49%
young socket
eager bluff
no
agile matrix
hm
eager bluff
ds is worm enemy but faster and with projectiles
agile matrix
hive mind?
hybrid barn
In fact, are any worm enemies unique in the current public version?
pliant ruin
hive mind is one of the aforementioned 2 that isnt
eager bluff
hive mind is unique yeah
pliant ruin
but it got butchered by fabsol anyways
agile matrix
perfs?
young socket
hive mind?
not made by fab
cosmic zenith
Average sacrifice to the Flame Dragon
https://vxtwitter.com/Fejokkkk/status/2000276720121721122?s=20
magic epoch
In fact, are any worm enemies unique in the current public version?
thanatos imo
plucky juniper
maybe if Yharon and Yharim weren't two of the most iconic characters in this ent...
also ngl the two guys should be slightly differentiated in personality and what they did
eager bluff
snow queen ai for the hive and regular worm ai for the worms iirc
agile matrix
when i say a boss, tell me what ai its crushed from
slime god is just two king slimes
magic epoch
snow queen ai for the hive and regular worm ai for the worms iirc
perf is definitely not snow queen ai
plucky juniper
because rn in the current lore they just... feel like really similar character wise
pliant ruin
no slime god isnt actually two king slimes
hybrid barn
snow queen ai for the hive and regular worm ai for the worms iirc
The hive uses the same AI base as Providence?
young socket
when i say a boss, tell me what ai its crushed from
biome mimics, actually
eager bluff
slime god is just two king slimes
no its actually biome mimic iirc
agile matrix
ahh
pliant ruin
slime god is two biome mimics yes
plucky juniper
they both hate gods for obliterating the dragons to survive, and have caused atrocities
young socket
multiple small jumps + big jump that tracks the player is biome mimic 101
agile matrix
well yea it has dashes
pliant ruin
and uhh what else
agile matrix
that doesnt make it a ripped ai
pliant ruin
no its
long bloom
and uhh what else
deadly sphere
pliant ruin
i dont think you understand
eager bluff
the dashes are literally identical to how fishron does them
magic epoch
it would be funny if the one phase where it endless dashes is ripped from flocko
magic epoch
it would be funny if the one phase where it endless dashes is ripped from flocko
(snowflake enemy)
pliant ruin
i think you should stop talking
eager bluff
banned
agile matrix
a fucking wraith??????
pliant ruin
dont say taht shit
stark basalt
i apologize for my curiosity
agile matrix
And thy punishment...
is Death.
long bloom
cheese you have the power
delete the message
agile matrix
alright uhhhh
stark basalt
magic epoch
leviana 👀
pliant ruin
anahita is fishron
long bloom
bruh
pliant ruin
that one im actually sure of she literally is fishron
she has the same dashes and bubbles shes fishron
agile matrix
dude how many fucking fishrons did fabsol use
magic epoch
maybe partially
agile matrix
dudes the reason they went extinct holy shit
pliant ruin
fishron ai was his favorite
young socket
dude how many fucking fishrons did fabsol use
like 5
magic epoch
i think leviathan has a bit of mothron
long bloom
dude how many fucking fishrons did fabsol use
eleventy billion
eager bluff
dude how many fucking fishrons did fabsol use
many
magic epoch
i think leviathan has a bit of mothron
mainly the stand still -> enemy spawn
imnot talking about the dashes they are different
agile matrix
oh yea dragonfolly does that too
long bloom
yharon is also fishron
young socket
yharon is just a fishron but u cant break the bubbles and spawns a bajillion projectiles
agile matrix
im missing a few bosses
magic epoch
bleugh
agile matrix
but w/e
long bloom
deus is probably crawltipede
agile matrix
dragonfolly is just mothron
pliant ruin
keep in mind alot of bosses werent just 1 ai btw
eager bluff
dragonfolly ai is literally just mothron ai with funky projectiles and a new sprite
magic epoch
CV is definitely a unique boss
magic epoch
deus is probably crawltipede
no
pliant ruin
alot of them are frankenstein abominations
agile matrix
deus is probably crawltipede
no it doesnt hard aggro when you leave the ground
DoG is though! kill me.
what else...
pliant ruin
no it doesnt hard aggro when you leave the ground
dosen't necessarily mean its not
long bloom
no it doesnt hard aggro when you leave the ground
what about blue phase
pliant ruin
again, frankenstein abominations
agile matrix
profaned guardians
magic epoch
what about blue phase
that's dog
pliant ruin
fab could just take elements fro mcertain bosses, repalce them, remove them, add elements from others
agile matrix
what about blue phase
thats dog
agile matrix
what is profaned guardians
magic epoch
blue phase deus is like slightly more passive iThink
young socket
yea the code isnt 1:1
agile matrix
and what is prov
eager bluff
guardians i forgot what the ai base is
eager bluff
and what is prov
snow queen
magic epoch
and what is prov
ice queen
young socket
hed add and delete stuff from it
agile matrix
sobbing
long bloom
crabulon is mourning wood
agile matrix
making a new event guys! its snow queen and mothron + a fishron fina- Fuck thats just acid rain t3.
magic epoch
crabulon is mourning wood
holy fuck
agile matrix
thats just acid rain t3 isnt it
magic epoch
wait
young socket
hed add and delete stuff from it
for example, signus' dashes use corite ai (which is why he tracks u so well)
magic epoch
ive never heard of this nor considered this before
long bloom
aureus is also mourning wood
eager bluff
crabulon and aureus are frankensteins of mourning wood and biome mimic iirc
young socket
the base movement for aureus and crabulon is indeed mourning wood
agile matrix
brother .
long bloom
crabulon and aureus are frankensteins of mourning wood and biome mimic iirc
yeah probably
magic epoch
what ai is king slime 🤔
young socket
crabulon and aureus are frankensteins of mourning wood and biome mimic iirc
nah i think they use smthn else
eager bluff
if the boss has a stomp attack its probably biome mimic
young socket
neither of them do multiple jumps in a row with a tracking jump
agile matrix
yharon is duke fishron
long bloom
neither of them do multiple jumps in a row with a tracking jump
modified
agile matrix
old duke is, surprisingly, duke fishron
young socket
tho i think ravs 2 uses the tracking jump
agile matrix
ravager is a biome mimic
young socket
modified
at that point just use a different boss
😭
theres a lot of examples of jumping in base terraria
eager bluff
ravager is a mix of biome mimic and golem iirc
long bloom
golem does similar jumps to aureus
agile matrix
that is half true
eager bluff
ravager is a mix of biome mimic and golem iirc
at the very least golem because of the hands
young socket
p1 is golem, rav head is golem head, phase 2 is biome mimics tracking jump repeated for the entire fight
agile matrix
just bc two things jump similarly doesnt mean they ripped it from that
(even though they likely did)
scal? and by extension calclone?
eager bluff
retinazer
young socket
retinazer
agile matrix
which came first the clone or the real
stark basalt
hmmmm
magic epoch
scal is
young socket
u can still see the retinazer in scals base movement
eager bluff
are we *serious*
yes its just retinazer
stark basalt
as its a fucking clone
magic epoch
u can still see the retinazer in scals base movement
Are we sure
agile matrix
yea but did they make calclone or scal first
young socket
Are we sure
yes
long bloom
are we *serious*
cataclysm is spazmatism
eager bluff
yea but did they make calclone or scal first
scal
stark basalt
no idea
magic epoch
cataclysm is spazmatism
they're both spazmatism
stark basalt
prob scal
magic epoch
both constructs
young socket
she tracks you vertical movement for a while, then moves above you
long bloom
they're both spazmatism
young socket
thats literally retinazer
agile matrix
cataclysm is spazmatism
well yea that much was obvious but i thought catastrophe was a more aggressive retinazer
and calclone was at LEAST something unique.
young socket
she tracks you vertical movement for a while, then moves above you
if it wasnt for bhs, sepulchre and brothers
long bloom
unique ai gif
magic epoch
she tracks you vertical movement for a while, then moves above you
retinazer locks above you does it not
for the side lock yeah sure but