lore-discussion

[abstract hedge]

If the infection got anywhere near his main body he'd immediately clentaminate it.

[frosty charm]

i wouldn't be surprised if he regularly does that (assuming it's on terraria/heartlands) as any of the evils would be an annoyance

[scenic olive]

hes the type to makes a pocket dimension so he can store his server securely

[abstract hedge]

Nah he wants to study them. He'd just keep his main body far enough away from them, other people would clentaminate anyways.

[frosty charm]

yes i implied the main body

[cosmic minnow]

Supreme Calamitas

Which calamity character would be the best barber

[split mortar]

Permafrost
Or the stylist npc

[random mulch]

what if i made drawings of plushes of some of the other human characters

[real silo]

True

Give me plushilva please

or plushie rav that'd be funny

[random mulch]

old man plush

[real silo]

Mom can I get an overweight middle aged man action figure

[mighty zenith]

im old!

[real silo]

You're not overweight or action figure

rejected

[random mulch]

plush of a funny old man smothered in cloth

[dusk laurel]

what

[limpid saddle]

toy story 2 andy dropping woody into a bin gif

[real silo]

trute

[mighty zenith]

i will never die

[limpid saddle]

what are you, some king of friend inside me?

[dusk laurel]

field of pink and gold

[cloud ibex]

no

as the self-declared chief of staff in this channel i refuse to let this leak into here too

[dusk laurel]

thank you for protecting the innocents of this land

[balmy glacier]

sad 😢 but sure

[fleet wedge]

Lex Luthor has also made one in the movie

[nocturne bear]

Yo why does supreme witch attack the terrarian during their fight instead of helping them take down yharim together

[random mulch]

calamitas sees us getting stronger and is afraid we might become yharim 2

[soft flame]

she thinks you winning will change nothing or something like that

given her dialogue she draws connections between the player and yharim too

“recklessly stole and killed their way to power, who does that remind me of?”

[split mortar]

The dialogue is from before the lore rewrite and so is
Iffy
At best
And does not reflect her current personality
But yeah she does draw connections between us and yharim

[soft flame]

something like that

[soft flame]

ah

[agile matrix]

his plume hits his title card

[long bloom]

she won't help you fight yharim directly because trauma

[pliant ruin]

Nlg i think it'd very plausible to make Calamitas fight Yharim with you, narratively, in a satisfying way that waould bring a good cliamx to her character arc. I'd argue her overcoming her trauma and regaining hope enough to a degree where she faces her fears directly would be a great climax to her arc

With that said however

This is a terraria mod and that'd be absolutely hellishj to make work in this context so like .

Don't quote me on this but i'd wager that calamitas not fighting yharim with you is

much less a lore thing

as much as it's just

yeah that wouldn't really work very well now would it

I feel like i know Cei enough to where she'd probably agree with me on this lol

[long bloom]

the thing i said was a dev statement

i forgot who though

[pliant ruin]

It's extremely catharthic to see a character whose life has been so throroughly ruined by someone, who lived forever in fear of that someone, finally being able to overcome that fear, standing up for themselves and regaining hope in the future through the help of newfound connections

[long bloom]

true

[pliant ruin]

Through meeting the Terrarian, being given a second chance at an actual social life, reuniting with her father figure and coming to terms with her past, i think Cal could absolutely find it in herself to help fight off YTharim

[long bloom]

though sometimes you just don't have it in you to deal with the bullshit anymore

[cosmic zenith]

True!

Though I feel like Calamitas saving your ass from Yharim and playing support is much more meaningful

[pliant ruin]

Yeah i think in an ideal scenario she'd play a supporting role with you

Right as things seem hopeless she comes in and gives you a fighting chance, allowing you to turn the tables

the tables the turn

[fleet wedge]

When's the rewrite coming btw? I feel like it would make sense to put in into the crags update

[fleet wedge]

The turns have tabled

[dusk laurel]

calamitas dialogue rewrite is in sso

[cosmic zenith]

Calamitas not going on the offensive against Yharim is a symbolical "standing up to" his abuse of her and her emotional turmoil

[pliant ruin]

Yeah it's her fighting back against it but not as the murderous soldier he made her into, but rather as a defender

Showing to him that no, she's not going to be what he wanted to make her into, she's gonna follow her own path

[fierce pagoda]

Psychological Victory😎

[pliant ruin]

I think Cal standing up against Yharim would be great but idk how that would be executed in the context of Calamity, the thing that comes to mind is smth like Solyn but it'd have to be done really well

To properly deliver the narrative impact

[fierce pagoda]

Leave killing Yharim to the Terrarian

would be funny if Scal tried to kill yharim but failed cuz he's still stronger

[abstract hedge]

It does though

[split mortar]

Why not??

[craggy sparrow]

If cal dies nothing is stopping me from putting yharim in a worse torture chamber i put the goblin tinkerer in

[craggy sparrow]

Jokes aside

i hope that we have the option to spare yharim

[pliant ruin]

We won't

Like, 100% confirmed, we won't

[craggy sparrow]

I think its just due to all the responsibilities and the tragedies that followed in his quest that steered him off his path

[pliant ruin]

No it's not

That's what he wants you to think

He still actively incentivizes you to kill gods and tells you all gods are evil in multiple lore items btw

He does not regret the whole Genocide thing

He speaks of hte illmeran incineration as if it was a necessary evil

(He destroyed a entire city, killed thousands of innocents, caused several species go to extinct, and used a child soldier to do all of that. all because there were 2 gods in there. 2 gods that were beloved by their people and considered extremely kind)

Yharim is a horrible, horrible man who deludes himself into thinking he's just fallen from grace

He never was great to begin with

There is no grace to fall from because the moment he decided to commit genocide upon all gods, he had already started a quest fueled by nothing but petty revenge and self-righteous justice

Deep down i think he's aware of that but he'd never actually accept it because he's spent 100 years of his life doing the undertale genocide run

Admitting that it was stupid, evil and that he's a horrible person would be equivalent to saying 100 years of his life were wasted

He'd rather die believing in his lie than to live the last few years of his life a broken man

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-discord-gif-24306382

You can't escape the embed fail.

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is a very fascinating character because it's like

(Surface look) "Oh he's a tragic moraly gray cahracter"
(Actually understanding his character) "He's actually a irreedeemably evil bastard except that it actually makes him more nuanced than him being just morally gray, and in his own right, he is still tragic, just for entirely different reasons"

[hybrid barn]

Yeah, it seems like it's more of a..."fell from grace" in the sense that he's just too old and depressed now to do anything but bum around in the Aerie and give you exposition

[pliant ruin]

Fell from grace in his eyes was not the act of Wanting to Commit Genocide, but the fact he Fell Off while Committing Genocide

He did some things that, by his own admission, weren't good, like using Calamitas as a child soldier. He abandoned his allies

Yet throughout all of that his biggest failure is being way too deluded in his personal worldview to ever acnowledge his true biggest failure was the start of it at all

Someone who is able to see mistakes in their actions yet is genuinely unable to realize the root of the problem and who continues doing atrocities due to fully believing they're doing the right thing is far scarier than someone who had genuinely good goals but ended up taking extremee measures to achieve htem

Yo ucan convince the latter that what they're doing isn't right

That they're hurting people

But the former? No matter what you do, there is no going through them

Damn i scared the user away from the lore chat

the yharim cahracter analysis was too evil and intimidating

[craggy sparrow]

Dw I'm still here im used to lore dump expositions due to rp servers

[craggy sparrow]

It was either that or hes morally gray from the logs ive read

but yeah your interpretation is far more nuanced

[pliant ruin]

Keep in mind the lore items are him talking

[abstract hedge]

Nah Yharim is not morally gray

He's evil as shit

[pliant ruin]

John Manipulation and Propaganda

[abstract hedge]

He caused what, 300 million casualties?

[craggy sparrow]

Which kinda bothers me

[pliant ruin]

Y'know

[craggy sparrow]

why the fuck is this old ass fossil stalking me

[pliant ruin]

It's insanely telling how Yharim is so good at manipulating people that he literally actively

manipulates people in real life

😭

truly boundless. transcends fiction

[craggy sparrow]

I shall kill gods irl

[pliant ruin]

For now it's weird yeah. future plans have it so he talks to you through a little magic stone you just happen to find

[craggy sparrow]

by gods i mean politicians

[pliant ruin]

Yharim's lonely and bored in the Aerie, so

[split mortar]

Yharim intentionally paints himself more morally grey due to being biased as fuck towards himself
Would you trustanyone bad in history to accurately tell you if he was evil

[pliant ruin]

Once the connection is established

He figures, yeah

Might aswell see what this guy is up to

[abstract hedge]

So you know how the deadliest war in human history (WWII) caused around 80 million deaths? Yharim's crusade caused around 4 times as many.

[pliant ruin]

Not really doing anything anyways

At first it's noithing more htan that

But as you prove youreslf to be, really fucking strong

beat stronger bosses

It goes from just passive observation to

"ok maybe i should get this guy on my side"

[hybrid barn]

Reminds me of demons from Frieran in a way

[craggy sparrow]

Yharim im sorry but i cant shoot touhou levels of projectiles

[dusk laurel]

direct casualties, not including after effects afaik

[split mortar]

Yeah indirect stuff included was half the worlds population

[craggy sparrow]

I think the catalyst of this all is the moonlord

[long bloom]

well obviously

[wanton pendant]

The Catalyst of the Calamity?

Clearly it Overhauled history.

[craggy sparrow]

if he wasn't there, then the dragons wouldn't had depleted all most of their forces

[wanton pendant]

Damn it I can't think of any other addon names.

[split mortar]

yeah thats the case
Ml nukes dragons
Nuked dragons results to gods
Gods result to yharim
Yharim results to this mess

[craggy sparrow]

and not leading to the first god

[long bloom]

infernum
hunt of the old god

[pliant ruin]

Everything is redidigt's fault for making terraria like 10 years ago

[long bloom]

trur

[craggy sparrow]

Cuthulu causing a direct domino effect of tragedies again in another fictional work

[wanton pendant]

And now Yharim is on an Infernal Hunt for the Old God.

[split mortar]

Ml aint cthulhu in calamity

[wanton pendant]

It's not Cthulhu.

[dusk laurel]

we should blame the evil bacteria that were assimilated into those archaeans

[craggy sparrow]

did calamity directly change it?

[split mortar]

Cthulhu not exist in calamity yeah

[craggy sparrow]

i thought it was cuthulu then they adopted a different name after getting sealed

[wanton pendant]

No.

[pliant ruin]

Chtulhu isn't what ML is called in calamity mainly due to just personal policies devs have of avoiding pop culture references

[wanton pendant]

I don't think the moon has the necessary legal infrastructure to get a name change.

[pliant ruin]

"Ml" goes by a few different names but it's worth nothing none of them are more "true" tha any other

[craggy sparrow]

wdym we literally have mgr references

[hybrid barn]

Sparking the wrath of the gods

[pliant ruin]

Lore devs, i mean

The 30000 reference items are

[split mortar]

And those aint canon

[pliant ruin]

not things any of the recent developers chose to add

[craggy sparrow]

ah

[abstract hedge]

Nope. They're called Fovos and the Moon Lord.

[pliant ruin]

They're mostly donor content

Or dev items

Or things fabsol added because he was bored

None of them r canonically a Thing in the mod's story

A nyway

[abstract hedge]

I think Moon Lord is kinda referred to as Cthulhu in base terraria but in calamity they're called Fovos.

[pliant ruin]

They're just different names given by different cultures - Since ML itself never like. yknow. spoke. so . yea

[hybrid barn]

Weeellll- in the current playable version, at least

[wanton pendant]

Moon 'Fovos' Lord.

[pliant ruin]

Moon Lord is a more "modern" name given to those who are aware of his imprisonment in the moon

[hybrid barn]

I'm looking at you, scavengers

[dusk laurel]

fovos is only one name the chrysonai called moon lord

[pliant ruin]

Fovos is a Chrysadian name given by the Sky People, meaning "Dread" in their language

[wanton pendant]

This is a reference to Greece.

[dusk laurel]

of course modern terrarians call moon lord moon lord

[pliant ruin]

It's also taken from the Greek Word for Dread as Chrysadia has greek motifs in its cultural inspiratin

[wanton pendant]

Little known fact: Greece is real.

[pliant ruin]

I don't see how that's

Comparable to something like Murasama 😭

It's just lightly inspired by Piglins

Murasama is

[craggy sparrow]

Is the fovos a part of a species in calamity btw?

[hybrid barn]

Well that's a good point

[pliant ruin]

Literally the weapon from metal gear rising

By that logic Desert Scourge is a reference

It's inspired by Balahara from monster hunter

[split mortar]

We dunno
For all we know could be a juvenile

[hybrid barn]

Also piglins? Aren't they a direct reference to scavengers from RainWorld?

[abstract hedge]

They're the only one of their kind, at least that's known. If there were multiple, they world would've ended a long time ago.

[pliant ruin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

We know literally nothing about them

[wanton pendant]

We don't know.
Hopefully not.

[pliant ruin]

Hopefully not though!

[wanton pendant]

Because that would be really bad.

[craggy sparrow]

Squid people ruining my world

[pliant ruin]

No actually

[split mortar]

If there are multiple then uh even xerocs fucked

[pliant ruin]

Funnily enough that was

entirely a coincidence

[wanton pendant]

Imagine if Galactus showed up, and he brings the family.

[pliant ruin]

Triangle commented on it before

[abstract hedge]

Peak strength Fovos was the second(?) strongest thing in cal lore right?

[pliant ruin]

He did not take inspiration from rain world scavengers

[split mortar]

Yuh

[wanton pendant]

Wait, Galactus has a family.

[pliant ruin]

ye

[hybrid barn]

Oh! I stand corrected then, that's funny

[pliant ruin]

behind only xeroc

[abstract hedge]

If there were multiple then the world would be screwed, only one thing's stronger and even then they couldn't beat multiple.

[wanton pendant]

Fovos should have gone to the moon gym.

[craggy sparrow]

with what legs

[abstract hedge]

Fovos was stronger than Noxus is, it being a species would destroy everything.

[hybrid barn]

Especially because that'd be the second case of this I know of then, this and the "Plasma Shrimp"

[split mortar]

noxus is a juvenile ml

[wanton pendant]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Moon_Lord_Legs

[hybrid barn]

I forget what the actual item name is

[long bloom]

aqueous hunter drone?

[hybrid barn]

Ye ye, that one

[wanton pendant]

There's something called Scavenger and a Plasma Shrimp in Risk of Rain 2 too.

[dusk laurel]

plasma shrimp incident 💔

the murarmy

[mighty zenith]

i like ror2 scavengers

they look so fren shaped but they're war criminals and absolutely horrifying to encounter

[craggy sparrow]

It bothers me the fate of the universe atp in calamity is reliant on one random guy who decided to farm and kill eoc

[pliant ruin]

donjt

think itdont

dont say it dont

dont thiu

nbdgs

[mighty zenith]

the rot

[dusk laurel]

cheese.

[pliant ruin]

hjelp me help help me help

[mighty zenith]

@split mortar i call upon thee

[dusk laurel]

shes having a breakdown i think

[pliant ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1442407077019521064/1448462672923197611/caption.gif

[dusk laurel]

🔥

[mighty zenith]

cite the ancient texts

[dusk laurel]

@split mortar YOU

i know its midnight for YOU but YOU have to use YOUR dark magic

[mighty zenith]

its ok its 1:23 am for me

[mighty zenith]

yaaaay

[split mortar]

What was i called for i didnt read

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-didn't-do-it-the-simpsons-yay-class-cheering-cheering-gif-10707348910034133336

[dusk laurel]

LETS GOOO!!!!

[mighty zenith]

she had that gif on STANDBY

[hybrid barn]

Also to be fair, I think this is mitigated by the fact that short of potentially helping kill Noxus (and the remains of ML), you don't have a super significant effect on the world

You'll be able to kill Yharim, but that's more of a "giving the people a sense of peace" thing since his crusade is basically done for by the time you get to him

[pliant ruin]

ok cull the rot now

rot period ended

[split mortar]

YOU

[pliant ruin]

we'll have more of it soon dont worry

its inevitable

[dusk laurel]

oh god the beast has been unleashed

[split mortar]

Jacob bison

Vs

[mighty zenith]

one more rot and the pumpkin dies...

[split mortar]

Terrarian

[pliant ruin]

Ehh idk about that

You kind of like

[craggy sparrow]

Kill everyone

[pliant ruin]

Singlehandednyl completely flip the world on its head i cant lie

[mighty zenith]

kill 7 billion bunnies

[hybrid barn]

Whew, almost lost her again
Also I meaaannn- fair

[craggy sparrow]

Nah i need them for food buffs

i mean i guess

it would be killing them

[pliant ruin]

• Bring peace to the Illmeran's spirits, give Amidias a new home to stay
• Free Permafrost and confirm that he was actually still alive
• Destroy Yharim's mechs that have still been roaming the world and hunting worshippers to this day
• Defeat the remnants of the Dragon Cult, bring back Moon Lord and kill him once and for all
• Kill the Profaned Goddess who has had a massive cult and was one of the first and most influential gods to ever exist, being widely hated by Literally Everyone and being probablyyyy the biggest global threat currently barring only the Distortion Fuckers
• Kill DoG which was probably seen as completely undefeatble by most people and was baiscally Yharim's Attack Pitbull, by proxy probably significantly foiling Noxus's plans, atleast for the time being
• Fight Calamitas who probably has remained elusive and hidden for really long and potentially actually re-integrate her into a semblance of society for the first time in years
• Kill Yharim
• Kill Noxus

And that's nto even verything

You also kill evil2 too

thats probably a pretty big deal

[mighty zenith]

wall of chese

[pliant ruin]

given its john dogma and john war in there

though its debatable how well-known the identities of evil 2 are to the average john

i imagine alot of people think theyre just evil glupshits like EoC or EoW

[dusk laurel]

my evil body horror hydra thats stronger than the weakened state of the moon lord

[hybrid barn]

Y'know...yeah, I don't have a counterargument here, especially considering that in relation to killing DoG, you'll presumably also free Braelor from the Distortion unless he decides to stay and keep fighting the creatures left there

[pliant ruin]

Yeah you reunite the gays

[craggy sparrow]

Make a seed of light and release it upon the word that makes everyone happy

[pliant ruin]

finally. calamity mod character gets a happy ending

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[old solstice]

terrarian just does it for fun, just like YOU

[craggy sparrow]

I knew it

[dusk laurel]

seed of light......

[hybrid barn]

Which speaking of, gives me a funny thought
You kill Signus to free Statis, then you "kill" CV and DoG to free Braelor, and then Storm Weaver is just there

[mighty zenith]

i hate lim bus

[long bloom]

bing chilling

[craggy sparrow]

Draedon made a library thats in ruins

[mighty zenith]

i dont actually hate limbus im just contrarian

[pliant ruin]

storm weaver is just hanging out

[craggy sparrow]

okay ill stop now

[pliant ruin]

just eating birds

Also i think you won't kill signus p sure

[mighty zenith]

you kill weaver and he pukes out daedalus

[hybrid barn]

Honestly, it's a little sad that you have to kill it, it's just vibing

[long bloom]

??

[pliant ruin]

You'll fight him but it'll be basically a deal in of itself

[craggy sparrow]

I hate limbus because i have to grind mirror dungeons every week

[pliant ruin]

Triangle talked abt it before

[hybrid barn]

Ohhh, like a "proving your worth" thing

[pliant ruin]

It's literally like
"hey if you win, you become my new guy. if you win i'll uh. free this guy. yep"

[eager bluff]

he calls you a slur, shakes your hand, and leaves

[split mortar]

Triangle mentioned it a while ago
Signus unlikely to die in the signus fight

[eager bluff]

pretty much iirc

[long bloom]

[pliant ruin]

You win, Statis is freed and Signus fucks off
You lose, you become his new puppet in place of Statis

[long bloom]

trngle

[pliant ruin]

Which is #based

[dusk laurel]

yep

[pliant ruin]

Dont kill signus hes goated

i love my highly morally dubious distortion fuckwog with a hoarding addiction

[hybrid barn]

Personally, I think it'd be cool if the second option could play a role in the game somehow, but y'know

Terraria

[pliant ruin]

It'll basically just be a functional death i think

Maybe with a custom death anim or smth idk

would b cool

[hybrid barn]

Oh yeah, that'd be neat

[pliant ruin]

Yknow its comical how in my head theres only 2 possible voices for signus and its either G Man or just a extremely heavy smoker

How do you even like fuse those two

[mighty zenith]

it would be funny if any rematches with signus after dying would be against him possessing you

[hybrid barn]

Or alternatively (though it'd probably conflict with the lore), it reminds me of an idea I had for the Distortion, where if you die in it, an enemy that's like a corrupted version of you would appear there, a la the shades from Hollow Knight

[mighty zenith]

make respawning canon just for this it'll be worth trust

[hybrid barn]

Like that, yeah

[dusk laurel]

no way you can fight you...

[mighty zenith]

the terrarian is BOSS FIGHT!

[eager bluff]

i mean just chainsmoker voice with gmans speech tendencies

[long bloom]

🔥

[young socket]

you kill storm weaver to free it from itself clearly

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

so just...

Grimm

[pliant ruin]

Fuck.

[mighty zenith]

thats just Grimm

[hybrid barn]

Free its head from its neck

[young socket]

storm weaver will be like watch me heaven!!! and then gets his strings cut

[mighty zenith]

signus is just grimm

[pliant ruin]

storm weaver freedom motif

[mighty zenith]

actually that makes perfect sense

yeah signus is grimm

[dusk laurel]

storm weaver clouds of pink and gold

[mighty zenith]

case closed

[split mortar]

Deltarot

[pliant ruin]

free storm weaver

free my dog

save him

[craggy sparrow]

Hey guys its me wd gaster im actually draedons dad

[hybrid barn]

Signus alone is Grimm and Statis posessed by Signus is Trobbio

[craggy sparrow]

i also gave a shadow crystal to yharim

collect my Crystals

[pliant ruin]

storm weaver is a shadow crystal holder

his entire narrative motif is freedom storm weaver would literally have freedom motif if he had a deltarune boss theme

[mighty zenith]

storm weaver divorce theory

[pliant ruin]

signus took the kids

[dusk laurel]

[eager bluff]

wait would signus sound like The Devil. From The Bible

[craggy sparrow]

Storm weaver is alt asgore

[mighty zenith]

no no thats how DoG sounds

specifically fandub black doom

[eager bluff]

dog sounds like andrew tate

[mighty zenith]

signus is original black doom

[dusk laurel]

one day dog will be reborn as a lotus flower...

[pliant ruin]

I may be tainted by rp signus interpretation but i like to think Signus is less so outright completely evil and fucked up like say. DoG or Noxus and more so just extremely questionable. He may not necessarily have malicious intent most of the time but his deals are very risky to take and you have to reallyyy make sure you know what you're doing
He's not good but he's not outright evilll either, atleast not completely

[mighty zenith]

DoG literally has connections and references to the snake from the bible he is LITERALLY The Devil™ from The Bible™

[pliant ruin]

I could be entirely wrong and hes just an evil bastard though

But again

I just really like that version of his cahracter

and i think it separates him well from someone like DoG who's just

he's just evil

like he's just a dick

Just kind of an actually morally gray/ambivalent figure that can be both beneficial or negative depending on the circumstances

[craggy sparrow]

Is it true that DoG was just an earthworm before

[eager bluff]

he doesnt get glupshitto voice hes john alpha male if you arent grinding 25 hours a day 8 days a week you arent doing it right

[hybrid barn]

I kind of like that idea, him being more of just...an enigma that works for his own purposes

[pliant ruin]

Yeah i think it's more interesting for him

Plus given Signus probably won't die in his boss fight it could give leverage for you two to have another interaction in more Amiable ™ terms afterwards

He is not a part of Noxus's hive mind so like

yk

[mighty zenith]

shopkeeper signus

[pliant ruin]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

[old solstice]

no
John Goodman

[split mortar]

No? P sure thats old lore or something

[pliant ruin]

was that actually old lore

thats wild

[hybrid barn]

It would be kind of cool to have someone else to interact with in the Distortion that isn't Braelor

[dusk laurel]

no shot

[eager bluff]

no that wasnt old lore

[mighty zenith]

if weaver is the shadow crystal holder then signus is the shopkeeper

[hybrid barn]

Especially if it'd be possible to explore it before killing DoG

[eager bluff]

he did get his powers from eating deus though that was old lord

[craggy sparrow]

whats the new one?

[old solstice]

that was lore store lore

[pliant ruin]

I don't think

DoG being a earthworm was ever a thing

If it was it's like supeor ultra ancient lore

Not even old lore

DoGi s just a fuckass alien worm from the distortion

[mighty zenith]

i dont remember that for sure

[pliant ruin]

Works for Noxus

[eager bluff]

she doesnt think

[pliant ruin]

That's uh. about it

DoG is kind of a enigma atm mainly due to

Most of his lore ultimately being tied to the literal biggest enigma in the mod

Aka. noxus

[eager bluff]

byeah no dog wasnt ever an earthworm he was always from the distortion iirc

[hybrid barn]

Distortionworm

[craggy sparrow]

Is it bad that i potentially enraged this god by killing its potential pet

[eager bluff]

nah

noxus is a fraud youll be fine

[mighty zenith]

noxus doesnt seem to give a shit

[eager bluff]

they call him 007
0 feats
0 lore
7 dev statements

[mighty zenith]

true...

his name isnt even technically canon yet

[split mortar]

All characters feats rn basically

[mighty zenith]

🔥

[dusk laurel]

we need more of these crude lore images

[young socket]

i would make more of there were like

more jokes i could make

[dusk laurel]

rememeber the slime god = femboy image from when we learned just a little about pre ascension sg 😭

[split mortar]

That trans people control slime image

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

Noxus probably would see DoG die and be like

[split mortar]

Beware the pipeline image with the slime bosses

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

Abusive parental figure noxus

[young socket]

i dont have the image so instead im just gonna post venti

[hybrid barn]

Oh yeaahhh, still my favorite fan-theory

[pliant ruin]

I fucking HATE my child

[pliant ruin]

fan-theory

[dusk laurel]

THIS LI IS LITERALKY THE IMAGE]

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[hybrid barn]

I think it basically was since it was one of those dev statements that wasn't widely agreed on

[pliant ruin]

I think it's in a dev headcanon boat rn

[hybrid barn]

I could be misremembering though

[pliant ruin]

It might be real

But not guaranteed

Endorsed by atleast 1 (one) developer but not necessarily canon for the time being

[hybrid barn]

OOOHHH- "Headcanon" was the word I was thinking of, my bad

That's kind of funny to me by the way, how some parts of the lore are vague enough that even the devs have their own unofficial headcanons

[pliant ruin]

It's generally because a isngle developer just making an executive decision in regards to something is bad practice

[hybrid barn]

Of course, it's just kind of funny to me

[pliant ruin]

And for alot of more minor details its not something that really warrants full blown discussions so it ends up just remaining as dev headcanons since it's not important enough to be throrouhgly discussed for the time being but also dosen't have enough support to be anything more than a headcanon

Like Slime God being a femboy or . uh

let me think

idk forgot

[hybrid barn]

Y'know, this just made me think too...was Slime God even a bad person, or just someone that got too caught up in their godhood? Because it at least sounds like they had pretty neutral intentions, but I'm unsure, and I kind of feel bad for how they turned out because of it

[pliant ruin]

Slime god is a character that exists

[dusk laurel]

sg is evil bcuz itjumpe d me

[pliant ruin]

Also are you saying this just because he was a femboy

i know what you are

smh

[hybrid barn]

Like at least Providence still has limbs, and she wanted to raze the entire world!

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

Sliume God is genuinely the character that suffers the most from lacking content in the mod rn

No other character gets such deeply confusing characterization singlehandedly just due to lacking context as SG does

[young socket]

i had an interesting idea

[hybrid barn]

Psh- it just made me think of that, because like...Slime God was presumably a human, and being reduced from that to just a blob with an eye is kind of horrific

[young socket]

actually nvm the idea sucks ass 🔥

wouldnt make sense

[wanton pendant]

Slime God secretly has 500 pages worth of lore but the lore writers are hoarding it for themselves.

[pliant ruin]

God worshipped by Kinsmen. Must preserve the balance of Nature. sends out Slimes to eat the Evil Goop to do so.

Some guy kills said slimes (In self-defense, as they are Hostile)

fucking Jump the guy, make no attempt in the slightest of diplomacy or persuasion, fight to the death becasue they killed some of your slimes ((( in self defense

Survive the fight. Run away

JUMP IM AGAIN. ONCE AGAIN MAKE LITERALY NO ATTEMPT OF DIPLOMACY. EVEN THOUGH YOURE A FULLY SAPIENT BEING. FUCKING DIE

[hybrid barn]

I think half of the ideas i've shared suck ass, so I'm sure it's not too bad

[pliant ruin]

Statis i'm sorry but ur god is a dick 🥀

[young socket]

i meant make sense in the ideas of the lore

[dusk laurel]

one day we'll get actual sg lore and onyx kinsmen structures trust...

[young socket]

was thinking for the sg rework itd be cool if sg came up to u to cleanse their giant slimes by beating them up but thats like

clearly not how it works,,,

[pliant ruin]

Jump a guy because he killed some of your slimes, refuse to back down ,refuse to attempt Diplomacy or just like. hey man please dont kill my slimes. run away. try to do the same exact thing again with once agian no attempts at anything but Murder. Die

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah but is that like

Really such a unfeasible change

That's like

[hybrid barn]

Weeellll yeah, that's a good point
I'm not sure what his deal is there, I'm actively trying to keep the biomes from going out of control

[pliant ruin]

Perfectly doable i think

The concept is the exact same

It's not even something i'd call a lore "change" as much as it's just expanding on the concept

I'm on the boat that i think people greatly underestimate how difficult it is to write lore and it feels kinda disrespectful when people dismiss any lore as "well they can just cahnge it" for the sake of other changes but also, it doen't mean lore changes cant actually happen

SOmething as minor as this is perfectyl viable i thin k

[dusk laurel]

also just realized but it makes way more sense for sg to be active in hm since thats when all of the essence sealed in wof gets released and the evil biomes actually get out of control

[pliant ruin]

I mean even DS also got minor lore changes

Went from Worm to Lizard

[pliant ruin]

tru

[pulsar ocean]

im failing to see the correlation

[real glen]

This truly is the slime god

[hybrid barn]

You might just be crazy

[pulsar ocean]

Yeah they’re both twinks but what the fuck is the correlation on the red circles

[latent bolt]

i dont subscribe to slime god twink theory

i subscribe to slime god slime theory

[mighty zenith]

i subscribe to trans slime god theory

[craggy sparrow]

The slime god actually ate another soul

the dragon of hrt

[limpid saddle]

melon gun explaining something to a new user that has already had the concept explained to them by someone else count;
3,000,000,543

[visual kiln]

oh maybe

[random mulch]

there should be a new pin with a message that just quickly explains some frequently asked things / misconceptions

i should redraw this as well

[pulsar ocean]

No

[random mulch]

why

[pulsar ocean]

It’s good as it is

[random mulch]

no

[pulsar ocean]

why

[random mulch]

helpful yhargle guide 2

[feral skiff]

i think a mod should pin this

they have the power

[limpid saddle]

did it get more grey

[real silo]

it got less grey look at them colours

[left rivet]

What is the astrum deus

[split mortar]

Space juvenile worm that ate moldy food that mind controlled it

[random mulch]

wdym who

[wind tapir]

Who is Aerie

[random mulch]

the aerie is a place.

[wind tapir]

Oh

Is it kinda like draconic heaven or sumn?

[random mulch]

home of the dragons

noone knows where it is and it's seemingly indestructible

[wind tapir]

Wait a minute then how did we get auric soul fragments?

[random mulch]

dunno exactly but they're only minute fragments of the full thing

[wind tapir]

Cuz this can’t be a Shrodinger’s cat 1 soul can’t be in 2 places from what I know

[random mulch]

they're slivers broken off from the entire thing, you get pieces of yharon's soul but the soul itself is still intact

[wind tapir]

Oh

Why is this case different from such like Xeroc?

[random mulch]

well xeroc and other gods consumed the entire soul

and even then there's a ritual that needs to be done to consume the soul

and noone's gonna tell you it

[wind tapir]

Ohhhh

[wind tapir]

I mean no matter what way you spin it the gods did commit genocide to attain their status

[random mulch]

how they managed to get their hands on an auric soul varies

just like people, dragon's aren't entirely good or evil

[split mortar]

What if the dragon consented to the ascension

[wind tapir]

I mean that is a possibility

Are dragons sentient?

[split mortar]

Sapient and yeah

The auric dragons are

[wind tapir]

Thx for correcting

Well still, from what I know about the lore, most of the auric dragons were wiped anyway and there is no possibility that all of them consented

Because in essence, trading a life for your gain is the ultimate greed and selfishness

Not everyone would be willing to give their soul to a lust for power

[split mortar]

Yeah there def are gods who are guilty of being bad as yharim says
Probably a lot of the corruption and crimson gods

[wind tapir]

There are gods of biomes?

[split mortar]

Corruption, crimson and hallowed are made of dead god essence

[wind tapir]

Oh

[split mortar]

Corruption of malicious manipulative gods
Crimson of brutal and violent gods
Hallowed of undeniably good gods
Thats what each biome is made of iirc

[wind tapir]

Wait since the wall of flesh releases the Hallowed, is the Wall of Flesh made of something auric by proxy?

[split mortar]

No its probably made of sacrificed azafurians

[wind tapir]

Oh

Who are those?

[mighty zenith]

or from other things living in hell

could very well be made out of demonic flesh

[split mortar]

Brimstone crags used to have the first and largest city called azafure
Scal and the guide are people who used to live there
The place was pro yharim

[wind tapir]

Ohhh

[split mortar]

And then brimstone elemental nuked the place

[wind tapir]

So that’s why Brimstone Elemental and SCal seemed related

[split mortar]

Yeah they literally fought and scal likely got her powers from brimmy

[wind tapir]

That does though pose some interesting questions about how demonic souls could hold the power of the auric essence

[split mortar]

Gods lack auric essence

The god ascension fuses both souls into something different to what made em

[wind tapir]

Oh

[mighty zenith]

containing godly essence isnt the same as destroying it which is the actual issue yharim had

[split mortar]

So the auric soul is basically completely erased

[wind tapir]

But still that should be very powerful, at least luminite level

[mighty zenith]

you have gods that are weaker than wall of flesh

(slime god)

and you have gods stronger than moon lord (provi)

[split mortar]

Not really
Providence is among the strongest gods and she is a bit further in progression then ml
Most gods fall behind ml in power (tho the evils will have things stronger then ml eventually once hive mind and perfs get changed)

[wind tapir]

I do wonder what the astral infection’s slice of this is

Because I doubt a biome like that has no connection to the events

[mighty zenith]

ehh it kinda does but kinda doesnt

being from space it doesnt really have any preestablished connection to gods

[split mortar]

Stars can age and die somehow
Astral infection is when they rot

[wind tapir]

It seems too important to be a one-off

[mighty zenith]

its really not that important tbh

[wind tapir]

Oh so it’s essentially rigor mortis but for stars?

[mighty zenith]

i love it but its more about world building

[wind tapir]

That does make me wonder if we’ll see anymore forces though

[mighty zenith]

the most interesting thing about it is astrum deus which gives a bigger glimpse into extraterrestrial life

[split mortar]

With mind control over non sapient things and robots that make contact with it

[mighty zenith]

and the distinction between gods and religion in general

[wind tapir]

Dude that sounds metal as hell

[wind tapir]

Oh I’ve been meaning to ask, where does Moon Lord fit into this

[mighty zenith]

he's basically the whole reason the story happens at all

[thorn drift]

Moonlord is basically a big fuckoff eldritch abomination

[wind tapir]

Oh

So kinda the same as base?

[random mulch]

still find it funny that there are 2 entirely unrelated infections with content limited to hardmode

[mighty zenith]

alien space squid conqueror/destroyer that attacked the planet and wiped out most of the dragons

heavily weakened the vast majority at least

which is what lead to Xeroc absorbing Zeratros' soul

[thorn drift]

he was threatening the world, so the dragons fought him off, half of them died, and Zetaros (I think?) Got gravely injured, wich led to the ascension of Xeroc

[split mortar]

Came in out of deep space randomly and nearly ended the dragons singlehandedly and probably caused xeroc to ascend due to the threat of a second ml event being able to happen randomly iirc

[wind tapir]

So Space Yharim but big?

[thorn drift]

wich was basically the kickstarter for the entire story

[mighty zenith]

kind of but he didnt really go on a crusade against gods

[split mortar]

Yharim has a reason that we know of
Ml just came in destroying things with a portable cosmic army (pillars) seemingly

[mighty zenith]

he just showed up, ambushed and started destroying everything

we dont know why exactly

[thorn drift]

And I don't think the why is really important

He was bored for all we know

[mighty zenith]

well its an unanswered question

it could also elaborate on if moon lord is an evil bastard or more like a force of nature

[wind tapir]

Wait a minute, how can gods scale past Moon Lord if auric dragons can be killed by Moon Lord

[split mortar]

Look at ml
Is it in a healthy state

[mighty zenith]

the moon lord we fight is mutilated and weak

[wind tapir]

True

[mighty zenith]

half his damn body is missing, his brain is exposed and he's been trapped in the moon for millenia

[split mortar]

Ml in its prime was the second strongest character in all of calamity

[mighty zenith]

and he's STILL in the top 1% of strongest creatures on the planet

[wind tapir]

Who’s the first?

[long bloom]

xeroc

[split mortar]

Only second to modern xeroc who has the unmatched power of the sun and centuries of time over ml to have gained strength

[wind tapir]

Gotcha

Wait in that case where do we fit? Cuz we’re entirely mortal but we’re able to take gods and those who have surpassed gods

[calm patio]

[long bloom]

they're your oc

you decide

[split mortar]

ITS UP TO YOU

YOU

YOU

YOU

YOU DECIDE

[thorn drift]

You're basically a foil to yharim from a narrative standpoint

[split mortar]

What if you side with yharim

[wind tapir]

Is SCal stronger than Draedon?

[long bloom]

still a foil technically

[long bloom]

significantly

[wind tapir]

Or Dreadon’s machines rather

[long bloom]

no

[split mortar]

Exos are equal to scal

All four to equal her

[wind tapir]

Curious

[long bloom]

draedon's actual body is coughing baby

[split mortar]

Boss progression is good indicator of strength

[long bloom]

but he can't realistically die

too many backups in too many places

[mighty zenith]

the "actual" body is just one of many

that he used to get a better view of the fight

[long bloom]

it'd be like trying to kill the internet by destroying all the infrastructure

[split mortar]

Kinda like an artificial elemental
No way you are getting rid of all water to kill anahita
No way are you getting rid of almost all advanced tech to get rid of draedon

[wind tapir]

Local marine biologist accidentally kills a Leviathan

[mighty zenith]

say that again...

[wind tapir]

Imagine how it feels to try to sleep like that

[split mortar]

Wha

Draedon doesnt sleep bro is a robot

[mighty zenith]

(theres already an artificial elemental)

[long bloom]

wrong reply moment

[mighty zenith]

idk computers dont need sleep i dont think

[split mortar]

Earth elemental is a fraud

[thorn drift]

entirely plausible actually if that's what you want your character to be in the lore

[mighty zenith]

youre a fraud

[wind tapir]

Also is the plague just there

[mighty zenith]

fraudon gun

[long bloom]

yeag

[wind tapir]

Does it do anything?

[long bloom]

it was made by draedon and accidentally released by yharim

[thorn drift]

no draedon released the plague upon the jungle

[split mortar]

Its why draedon and yharim split apart
Yharim doesnt like slavery
Draedon made the plague which is automated competitive slavery

[mighty zenith]

enslaves living creatures

[long bloom]

he did not

[split mortar]

Yharim broke pbg out

[mighty zenith]

forced robotization pretty much

[thorn drift]

oh didn't know it whas yhim actually

[long bloom]

he got too mad

blew up the lab

[wind tapir]

Competitive slavery

[thorn drift]

It's basically a bioweapon to turn nature into his own weapon

[long bloom]

[thorn drift]

yeah basically

[split mortar]

Yes thats what i used to describe the plague

[thorn drift]

yharim just got really pissed draedon was doing it to the bees

wich led to yharim and draedon parting ways

[long bloom]

(yharim being mr bees is a flanderization but still funny)

[wind tapir]

Where’s Permafrost in all this

[thorn drift]

He was the strongest mage of history and yharims advisor

and later on trained calamitas

[long bloom]

he was yharim's advisor and managed conquered cities

[split mortar]

Wisest and smartest not strongest i think

[thorn drift]

I mean they're fairly interchangable when it comes to magic i feel like

[long bloom]

invented a special kind of ice magic that partially freezes you and slows down aging
so he's like 500 now

yharim is "only" 130 ish

[thorn drift]

yharim is baby

[long bloom]

draedon is like 650

[split mortar]

Scal has the raw power and beats perma
Perma far outskills her

[wind tapir]

I mean battle IQ with swords for example doesn’t do much if you don’t understand the spell

[long bloom]

calamitas has the most raw destructive power of anyone

ever

[thorn drift]

I meant that in the sense that your wisdom and intelligence becomes your strenght with magic

[long bloom]

she boiled a sea the size of italy in 4 days

[thorn drift]

Yeah calamitas is fucked man

Messed up child

[wind tapir]

The so-called “Most destructive power” when she sees a crystal crusher

[long bloom]

yk she contributed to her entire family and society dying

[long bloom]

not canon

[thorn drift]

Crystl crusher isnt canon

[split mortar]

Shadowspec is dev item and not considered when they write lore

[thorn drift]

neither are any of the other shadowspec weapons

[long bloom]

or donor items

or blatant references

so no deerclops

or betsy

[thorn drift]

wouldn't that make murasama not canon aswell then?

[long bloom]

yes

[split mortar]

Yes

[thorn drift]

damn

[wind tapir]

Well still with Shroomite digging claws you could probably kill a biome in an in-game day if you were really committed

[thorn drift]

well yes but you're also an affront to god

so

[split mortar]

Calamitas wiped out italy in a few weeks

[thorn drift]

not really comparable?

[split mortar]

When she was a teen

[long bloom]

the world we play on is an extremely thin slice of the continent and also comically scaled down

[thorn drift]

Shes like in her 20s when we fight her right

[long bloom]

28 at the start of your journey

[split mortar]

Late twenties

[wind tapir]

I’m sorry that sentence is just so funny out of context

[pulsar ocean]

Are yharim bars canon

[thorn drift]

What the fuck is a yharim bar

[split mortar]

Fandom wiki thing

[split mortar]

Go compress yharim into a bar to see

[cosmic minnow]

kozz is the master of shitposts

[thorn drift]

Then no

[split mortar]

Rare kaprysny appearance

[wind tapir]

Oh so in that case the crusades started like, maybe 30 years before we decided to do shit?

[cosmic minnow]

Im just an Illusion

[long bloom]

100

[split mortar]

Nah crusade is like 105 years old

[thorn drift]

bout a hundred actually i think

[wind tapir]

Oh

[long bloom]

yharim old fuck

[cosmic minnow]

105 mm smoothborne reference

[wind tapir]

That still seems like not a lot of time in the grand scheme of things

[long bloom]

calamitas showed up right at the end basically

[thorn drift]

The crusade never actually officially stopped i think

it just kinda fizzled out

[cosmic minnow]

Came in, fucked shit up, left

[long bloom]

yeah

[split mortar]

Yharim started crusade in twenties to thirties
Crusade went for roughly for a century
Yharims now roughly 130

[thorn drift]

Well she was being gaslighted and manipulated so

[wind tapir]

Damn

[thorn drift]

cant exactly blame her

[cosmic minnow]

Yea ik

[wind tapir]

Eat your heart out Napoleon

[cosmic minnow]

She’s still fucked up

[thorn drift]

she is

[split mortar]

A century long world war with supernatural creatures who can end a city singlehandedly sounds bad for the planet

[long bloom]

and it was

[cosmic minnow]

-# sarenio

[split mortar]

We not on about fanfic rn

[long bloom]

half the world's population died because of the crusade

[cosmic minnow]

Yea

[thorn drift]

yeah i think the entire planet was kinda fucked its just that ground zero (our player world) got hit especially bad

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wind tapir]

I mean we killed SCal and not much of note happens, though that could just be a thing where it’s still in development

[long bloom]

like 300 million died in battle

[thorn drift]

we didn't kill scal

[cosmic minnow]

Imagine ww2 killed like 4 billion people

[wind tapir]

True

[cosmic minnow]

Shit still crazy imo

[wind tapir]

Let’s say Yharon then

[split mortar]

Scal atp is just chill and tries to stop us from being yharim two

[thorn drift]

we didn't kill yharon in a way that matters

[long bloom]

he'll be back

[pliant ruin]

hi lore chat what r we talking bout

[wind tapir]

Devourer of Gods?

[pliant ruin]

about

[split mortar]

Yeah yharon will come back in a decade

[cosmic minnow]

Hello Calamitas (cheese)

[thorn drift]

Yeah hes hella dead

[split mortar]

New person asking questions

[long bloom]

but not before yharim dies of old age or by your hand

[pliant ruin]

ic

fun

[cosmic minnow]

Would be very anticlimactic if yharim just died of age

Imagine

[thorn drift]

Its like the end in metal gear

[split mortar]

Dog hella dead
And will cause shit to fuck up happen in the distortion iirc (new content will unlock in there once its added iirc)

[thorn drift]

where you just wait for the geezer to drop dead

[cosmic minnow]

British spotted

[thorn drift]

im not british

[light moth]

hi lore chat what r we talking bout

[cosmic minnow]

who else says geezer

[long bloom]

melon is british

[cosmic minnow]

True

[thorn drift]

Dunno

[split mortar]

New person asking questions

[cosmic minnow]

Geezer

[wind tapir]

It’s funny to me that DoG, who eats the essence of gods, scales below Yharon who’s soul is ultimately only one piece of a god’s puzzle

[split mortar]

Ok

[light moth]

https://tenor.com/view/alastor-chair-cuckchair-alastorincuckchair-hazbin-hotel-gif-15966740023737120525

[cosmic minnow]

What kinda chair?

[pliant ruin]

DoG dosen't absorb the powers of the souls it eats or anything

[thorn drift]

Well he doesn't eat the essence of gods perse

[wind tapir]

Don’t call me new boy i been in this game for 4 years

[long bloom]

draedon found no traces of god essence in dog's body

[split mortar]

Tbf yharon is stronger then almost all gods

[pliant ruin]

And even if he did

[thorn drift]

we don't actually know what happens with the essence

[pliant ruin]

Yharon is like, the 2nd strongest auric dragon of all time

[split mortar]

New to lore and this chat

[thorn drift]

probably gets sent to the distortion

[split mortar]

Most likely does get sent there yeah

[thorn drift]

easy ass bossfight tho

[pliant ruin]

I don't think the essence of the random glupshitto god with the domain of Soap is comparable

[light moth]

Being totally revamped tho

[thorn drift]

I wonder what other gods existed tbh

[wind tapir]

What determines a god’s strength

[pliant ruin]

Alot

[thorn drift]

before yharim murked them all

[pliant ruin]

How strong was the god already, as a mortal? What powers do their domain grant them? How well can they use their domain's powers, how experienced are they with it?

And that's only a few factors

It's not something that can be dumbed down to 1 or 2 traits

[long bloom]

how much do they train, or do they get complacent?

[thorn drift]

I think the strength of the dragon also plays a rather large part in it

[pliant ruin]

The strenght of the dragon's domain does yeah

Dunno if the strenght of the dragon specifically but that's debatgably semantics

Domains are so varied in the exact powers they give though that it's hard to really see it as like

[wind tapir]

So theoretically, if we at the state of calamity endgame, somehow obtained an auric soul and absorbed it, would we be one of the strongest?

[pliant ruin]

A linear power system

[thorn drift]

yes

most likely

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but also because we're already like top 3 strongest characters as is

[long bloom]

also the only available soul is yharon's

[pliant ruin]

Like god soul or not we do beat Yharim's ass and probably Noxus too so that leaves you with liek

[thorn drift]

just fyi don't absorb more than one or two at most

[pliant ruin]

One character that's stronger

And another that's maybe stronger

And that's it

[pliant ruin]

mb gang forgot about grandma

thats 3 characters actually!

[long bloom]

dog is not stronger than yharon 😭

[wind tapir]

Funny how we turn from random ass guy to stronger than someone who can kill gods easily

[pliant ruin]

Providans

[split mortar]

Providans

[light moth]

Draedon shouldn’t be in this list cmon
Exo Mechs tho-

[pliant ruin]

I mean debatable really

[split mortar]

Its a meme list

[wind tapir]

No chance in quite hell that LORDE isn’t up there

[pliant ruin]

You could argue Exo mechs are Draedon

[split mortar]

Lorde is a non canon meme of yharim

[thorn drift]

not really?

[long bloom]

i think they know

[pliant ruin]

I'd say you could

Draedon isn't his physical bodies as is, he's just code

The scout bodies he uses are just that, scout bodies

[light moth]

But hey, Draedon always improves his creations

[pliant ruin]

If he is controlling the exo mechs, he made him, and they're remotely controlled via his code, even without active input

I think you can make a case for exo mechs being just as much Draedon as his shitty little scout bodies are

[split mortar]

Scaling draedon is weird the guy is more like a country with 6373836483 nukes and not a directly comparable single creature

[pliant ruin]

^

It's weird because like

If we are to actually scale Draedon it's like

scaling the Internet

😭

[wind tapir]

Shi I forgot about Grandma my B

[thorn drift]

Draedon is literally just AM if he only wanted science isn't he

[long bloom]

he could completely wipe out terraria if he wanted to

[split mortar]

Grandma soloing xeroc is based on a real story iirc

[long bloom]

but he doesn't

[pliant ruin]

guy had a primordial light tattoo

[wind tapir]

I’m running on like 2 hours of sleep

[pliant ruin]

tried to rob a bank

and then a grandma beat him up

grandma > xeroc in real life

[long bloom]

wait literally

[pliant ruin]

real event that happen ed

[long bloom]

in real life

[pliant ruin]

yes

[split mortar]

Yea

[long bloom]

[pliant ruin]

grandma beyond fiction

boundless

[thorn drift]

Thats fucking hilarious

[long bloom]

absolute cinema

[split mortar]

Xeroc transcended fiction and tried to steal money and got their ass beat by a old woman

[wind tapir]

Who’s winning every final boss including Masochist Mutant and prime Calamity ML or Grandma

[thorn drift]

Bro was trying to establish themselves in reality

[split mortar]

Grandma

[thorn drift]

Grandma transcends the bounds of fiction

[light moth]

Also, why can’t DoG and Yharon be considered as equals overall?
Like, they are pretty different creatures and can be better to another in different aspects?

[pliant ruin]

Because Yharon's stronger

Like there really isn't much more to it Yharon's just, overall stronger than DoG. There's a reason he comes after him in the intended progression

[thorn drift]

Yharon is just straight up more powerful

[wind tapir]

What if Grandma absorbed 5 auric souls to turn real

[long bloom]

she would explode

[thorn drift]

She'd turn into a fucked up version of polterghast

[pliant ruin]

auric polterhgast incoming

[thorn drift]

or explode

[pliant ruin]

How many s ouls is that

[long bloom]

you can't really absorb more than 2 without catastrophic effects

[thorn drift]

you NEVER absorb more than 1-2 auric souls at max

[wind tapir]

Yeah I could take them

[thorn drift]

and even 2 is pushing it

[pliant ruin]

Ok right htere's 1 soul, thats the persons original soul

Then 5 auric souls?

Each one is laready 2 souls

so thats 10

[thorn drift]

Auric polterghast

[pliant ruin]

11 souls in one body

wild

[thorn drift]

Um. Are auric souls actually worth 2 normal souls?

[long bloom]

more like 11 souls in 1 soul

[pliant ruin]

World soul

Dragon soul

[wind tapir]

I mean no one would know whether or not she’s that powerful

[pliant ruin]

Auric souls are all 2 souls already by technicality, its why God souls are so unstable

Because God souls are by themselves already

a mishmash of 3 souls

[thorn drift]

No that's just straight up what happens you turn into a fucked up amalgam of auric souls

[pliant ruin]

World soul fragment + Dragon's original soul + Mortal's original soul

[wind tapir]

It is a grandma, AKA a perfect disguise for a multiversal threat

[thorn drift]

It won't be a grandma anymore if she does that

[long bloom]

auric polterghast

[thorn drift]

auric polterghast

[long bloom]

would auric polterghast be stronger than xeroc

[split mortar]

Doubt

[wind tapir]

What would happen if Moon Lord absorbed an auric soul? Would he just grow his legs back?

[pliant ruin]

probably depends on the souls involved

[long bloom]

i
don't think he can?

[pliant ruin]

I'd hope not.

[thorn drift]

Probably? you have like at least 3 different domains in there

it'd probably amount to a lot

but yeah depends on what exactly those domains are

[wind tapir]

I mean there’s nothing to disprove it from what I know

[pliant ruin]

"what if moon lord became a god" is surprisingly not a concept ive ever seen thought of in this chat but

In hindsight yeah that's pretty horrifying isn't it

I assume he probably can't

[wind tapir]

At least not directly

[split mortar]

Ml has the tongue that absorbs life from you no
Prime ml probably could damage you more with that

[split mortar]

Oh god ascension absorb not weird tongue slurp

[pliant ruin]

Like i think

[thorn drift]

it would straight up spell the end of the world of terraria as we know it

[pliant ruin]

I can confidently say

That a divinely ascended ML would probably be stronger than Xeroc, specially depending on the soul he'd absor b

[wind tapir]

Nah, I’d win

[pliant ruin]

And unlike Xeroc he'd uh

Not be as chill .

[thorn drift]

Oh yeah no he'd definitely fuck up the world in its entirety

[pliant ruin]

I suppose it depends on a few factors

[split mortar]

Ml gives me the vibes of the one thing able to tank absorbing multiple souls and not get too fucked up

[pliant ruin]

1. How sapient is ML? Can it understand how to do the ritual?

2. Does ML even like. have a soul

[thorn drift]

Even current day fovos would be the absolute worst if he had an auric soul

[pliant ruin]

3. Are there any funky alien characteristics that would just block him off from doing that

[wind tapir]

Should I be an astral infection truther or a Yharim truther

[split mortar]

Astral yharim truther

[wind tapir]

I’d assume most living things do

?

[pliant ruin]

I mean maybe but then you factor in ML is some funky ass alien from god knows where

[split mortar]

Yeah even calclone has a soul so i think it just
Forms on living things

[pliant ruin]

Maybe Souls are just a Terraria thing

[thorn drift]

not that we know of

[pliant ruin]

Assuming it does have a soul though which to be fair i think is probable

[split mortar]

I imagine ml has a funky weird as shit soul sinc elike all its attacks are soul named

[pliant ruin]

It kinda boils down to whether it'd know how to do the irutal or not

[wind tapir]

I mean the eyes could be an issue but that’s a stretch

[thorn drift]

IIRC There's no restrictions on who can perform the ritual as long as you know it and you. Actually have a soul yourself

[pliant ruin]

Being Smart enough to actually do a ritual like that for one but yeah

Like a irrational/animalistic thing couldn't really do it

So is ML like. smart enough to do that

how sapient is bro

[split mortar]

Big brain

Brain so big its exposed

[wind tapir]

Well I’d assume he’s sapient due to the fact that he knew to weaken probably the strongest species at the time

[pliant ruin]

Divinely ascended ml

what a concept

give that squid the auric soul of primordial light and then nothing that happens in calamity would happen because everyone would be fucking dead before that

[split mortar]

Fovos
Moonlord
What title would god ascended ml have

[pliant ruin]

Terminus

It's The End .

[wind tapir]

Starmega sounds cool

[gritty kraken]

fargo mutant

[wind tapir]

Actually

[split mortar]

Fargos mutant vs xeroc

[pliant ruin]

Respectfully Starmega sounds like the type of name the terrarian gives to the mech bosses

[wind tapir]

Where would that guy fit into all of this

[split mortar]

True

[wind tapir]

Fair

[split mortar]

Not canon

[hoary berry]

if i read this i can only think of mega starmie

[wind tapir]

Well yeah, I mean in a what-if

[gritty kraken]

He’s ascended Yharim frfr

[split mortar]

Idk the lore of fargos or if it even has much

[gritty kraken]

god of eternity

[pliant ruin]

mutant absorbed the soul of the auric dragon of using alot of meele attacks and became the god of firing alot of projectiles

[wind tapir]

Who was that sun titan from Greek mythology again?

[split mortar]

Helios?