#lore-discussion

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frosty charm
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so yeah cal terrarian and prob xeroc gets slammed by basegame terrarian

manic coral
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my reaction to this is "jesse what the fuck ar eyou talking about"

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the first is blatantly not true, the second is also just not how that works, adn the third has

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nothing

abstract carbon
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Ah

manic coral
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people still say this but i don't get how, especially considering it kinda doesn't have anything

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to really, like

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determine that off of

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aside from i guess the stopwatch

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which does show your speed

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but the maximum speed you can reach is realistically consistently reach like somewhere around 130mph iirc?

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like, yeah

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fast

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but not whatever some people are talking about

manic coral
# abstract carbon Ah

but yeah to elaborate on them

  1. literally none of us have said that. WHAT beings that threaten to destroy reality itself? those doesnt exist within the setting. also, the devourer can't do that.

  2. this is assumign rela life absed cosmology which calamity definitly does not have. also, the devoruer can't do that. i don't know where people get him ripping through time and space from, he just opens portals to and from the distortion. not from whatever this is saying. also, you cna literally measure the speed in-game because stopwatch, he goes about, what for a max speed? 200? 300? miles per hour

  3. i mean, yeah, the devourer can stand up to very strong people who are basically on their own walking nuclear bombs. see: calamitas. but like. what.

pliant ruin
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I mean you can theorise about like, every other character

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im late

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this is sad

manic coral
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hi late

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im cei

pliant ruin
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thats me im late

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hi cei

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hru

manic coral
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tired but alright

pliant ruin
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understandable same

pliant ruin
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there's like, no lore for terraria that really indicates anything like that as you said

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its just. moon guy shows up. dryad sells him. go kill it now

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SEAL* not sell

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they did not sell moon lord for 3.99

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like nowhere in the game does it say the terrarian is glupversal or anything you just kill a big squid guy

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and theres no like statements or anything that state said big squid guy is any stronger than calamitys big squid guy

manic coral
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i mean there are some cool and certainyl very strong things but you

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you can never see the actual damage anything does

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or how much of a genuine threat anything is

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the best reference you have is a stopwatch

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like, if we're basing off of purely vibes from gameplay, then i'd argue it's relatively more on the grounded side all things considered

abstract carbon
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I mean if we go on vibes endgame summoner is universal teir

humble fog
sinful adder
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all of this is wrong

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basically all powerscalers make the mistake of equating cosmologies to real life

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when they are almost always smaller even if they say they aren't

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if not smaller then incomparable

crimson junco
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Dryads sold ML for 3.99

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That is so sad

plucky juniper
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powerscalers try to understand a work of fiction’s world building (99.999999999999% failure rate)

feral skiff
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ok sooo

  1. the devourer of gods cannot rip through space and time, only creating portals for the Distortion
  2. “defeated beings who threatened to destroy reality” what beings???
  3. “able to fight a being who travels to stars across the entire universe” that doesn’t really equate to the Terrarian’s speed though (does the devourer of gods even do that?)
    the only part that kinda makes sense here is the durability section
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this image is so inaccurate and nonsensical that it’s just funny

split mortar
craggy sparrow
split mortar
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Wof wins cause the mimics die to falling behind the wall and taking fuck you levels of damage

mighty zenith
real glen
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Garbo I need to ask you something

glacial rampart
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yes what is it

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its me garbo

split mortar
real glen
thick slate
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gar

mighty zenith
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whats up

real glen
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Garbo is it okay to post yharon resprite lore in reddit

If yes, then you you guys must look at comments for a while because of leaked dia yharon resprite

mighty zenith
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yharon resprite lore?

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like

dusk laurel
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what

mighty zenith
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the progression of his resprites?

real glen
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ye

mighty zenith
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yeah as long as it doesnt use the leaked sprite

real glen
agile matrix
mighty zenith
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dont worry about it

thick slate
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i see everything

agile matrix
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you literally should never say this to me im gonna be overly intrigued

thick slate
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just know a guy

mighty zenith
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dont worry about it.

agile matrix
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my pumnkin ;(

glacial rampart
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despite people leaking the yharon resprite like on the weekly it feels like i feel like nobody has ever actually seen it 😭

thick slate
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i feel like who caressss

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omg guys i saw the sprite

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so sugoi

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wowie

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im so special

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eating an apple is more interesting

agile matrix
calm patio
agile matrix
zenith geode
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thats good i think

agile matrix
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its bad bc i dont have a consistency and i hate not knowing information that i could infact know

feral skiff
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I think the Calamity Devs should release 500 false resprites in order to conceal the real one.

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like if the truth is already out there, just make it incomprehensibly hard to find

dusk laurel
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that would require an insane amount of effort i think

thick slate
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everything does if you think about it

visual kiln
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Lorr

pliant ruin
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go sleep

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gr

split mortar
feral skiff
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Today I went outside and saw a Calamity happening, so I thought that this MUST be the work of that dastardly Brimstone Witch. So I went to the Sunken Sea, which had not yet been Overhauled, and I recruited the help of Amidias. But it turned out that I was actually the Terrarian and that I could be whoever I wanted, so I became god for no reason lol.

pliant ruin
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dont be mean to her melon gun

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fuck u

feral skiff
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my mind is melting

dusk laurel
low lily
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Ironic

reef nova
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Is Yharim's smile stitched? (I just saw the animation thing with Yharim and the gang 😭)

long bloom
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what

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explain

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which animation

pliant ruin
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We've never seen Yharim's face

cloud ibex
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we will never (officially) see yharim's face

split mortar
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Yharim is gay

cloud ibex
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unironically you decide the unmasked appearance of Yharim

split mortar
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Its

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Its

cloud ibex
cloud ibex
split mortar
latent bolt
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I know 100% that the Godseeker doesnt look like me

real silo
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Melon gun is melon gun irl too

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Insane lore drop

reef nova
real silo
latent bolt
split mortar
latent bolt
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melon gun is melon gun regardless

reef nova
random mulch
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what is it even supposed to mean, is it literal or....?

reef nova
latent bolt
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yharim is charred enough that he cant smile for shit

random mulch
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how burnt he is is completely unknown so he might not have enough face to even be able to smile

reef nova
random mulch
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incomprehensible

reef nova
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His visor thing is stitched

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and it's actually making me laugh

random mulch
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so a "stitched smile" is pretending to be fine?

real drum
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Y'all over here thinking the terrarian is some guy who woke up and chose to become a deity, meanwhile me, an intellectual, knows that the terrarian is

cloud ibex
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don't make me tap the sign

cloud ibex
split mortar
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😭

dusk laurel
latent bolt
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"The terrarian's lore is NOT up to you" - evil melongun

dusk laurel
pliant ruin
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the terrarian si everything

tall delta
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its probably in a dubious canon state right now, since it implies that your terrarian independable of the story you made (you could be an surviving ilmerian wanting revenge..) have enough of a good heart to spare calamitas

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the god of dogma was right

pliant ruin
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in the future you won't need to house her in if you don't want to

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she'll still survive the fight regardless though

dusk laurel
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^

split mortar
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Just get the flymeal smh

pliant ruin
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she just leaves

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she has the angler message

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same with amidias and permafrost

split mortar
pliant ruin
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yeah all the named characters just have that message

split mortar
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Cringe

pliant ruin
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because, yk, theyre actual characters, itd be weird for them to fucking die and then come back 😭

split mortar
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Fucking kills you

limpid saddle
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permafrost lich theory starts today

split mortar
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ggg likes calclone theory

dusk laurel
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horrible

limpid saddle
pliant ruin
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like with the vanilla npcs even if theyre like clearly the same exact fucking person they atleast have the excuse of having different names

dusk laurel
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guide 🥹

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we KILL guide and then suspiciously he comes back

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under a new name

latent bolt
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ggg kissed calclone theory (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

split mortar
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Theres many wall of fleshes and many guides who miss their wife and will be back

split mortar
limpid saddle
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wait

dusk laurel
limpid saddle
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misread

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excuse my autism

pliant ruin
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gggs relationship with calclone does not seem to be one of romantic interest as much as it seems like the platonic ideal of someone who has a blorbo they enjoy throwing around after dipping in milk

limpid saddle
pliant ruin
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i was talking about sun gods message

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holy shit

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sun god

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xeroc

dusk laurel
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the sun god

limpid saddle
latent bolt
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what im not xeroc man

random mulch
latent bolt
split mortar
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Xeroc, God of Among us

pliant ruin
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i think thats more of dogmas thing

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dogma would be cracked at among us

dusk laurel
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true!

split mortar
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Dogma, god of dogma deez nuts jokes

dusk laurel
young socket
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kills you for misinfo

pliant ruin
split mortar
pliant ruin
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or is it just amidias fsr

dusk laurel
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kill tsuki because i feel like it :/

latent bolt
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summons sir nautilus, gorthus the blademaster, and bereft vassal to your location

pliant ruin
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amidias canonically dies

young socket
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fiiiine ill check the other 2

pliant ruin
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he is no longer the king of the sunken sea

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because he's dead

split mortar
dusk laurel
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amidias is racist to clams

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ive decided this now

limpid saddle
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never forget yhorm

dusk laurel
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its real and true

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i will forget yhorm thank you very much

latent bolt
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Why is amidias racist towards clams

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what did they do to him

dusk laurel
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youll see

young socket
dusk laurel
dusk laurel
limpid saddle
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permafrost lich theory proven true once again...

dusk laurel
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ggg will be used as a fuel source

limpid saddle
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scoog will be turned into planty mush

young socket
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o btw cal also dies

pliant ruin
# dusk laurel amidias is racist to clams

to be fair i'd also be racist to clams if they started stealing the souls of my dead subjects and harming the ecosystem via overpopulation and then a fatass clam stole my soul

latent bolt
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chuddiest young fish fella in ilmeris award

dusk laurel
abstract hedge
latent bolt
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that oughta do it

abstract carbon
leaden bridge
tall delta
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for the public entertainment

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i think it was triangle who asked an user to draw that

cloud ibex
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i don't think he asked directly he just said it would be funny and then permitted for it to be shared in here

long bloom
random mulch
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hi, i am not sorry for what i've created

balmy glacier
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*laughs

limpid saddle
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it peaks

random mulch
balmy glacier
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red eyes are peak

split mortar
limpid saddle
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redesign is based on seahorses right?

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@split mortar i know you've shown me it before

split mortar
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Ah

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Idk

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Ping triangle there then idk

dusk laurel
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redesigned is based on a seahorse because hes... always been a seahorse

split mortar
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Im walking back from college dont expect the smartest of thoughts from me

limpid saddle
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he didnt exactly embody much

dusk laurel
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did you atleast look at his concept art

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and its been said hes a seahorse too because i KNOW you talk here

limpid saddle
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The new one must definetly looks like a seahorse

dusk laurel
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eh ill just study you

pliant ruin
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technically its more seadragon than seahorse

long bloom
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make amidias a draconic offshoot

limpid saddle
craggy sparrow
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Question is the eye of Cthulhu and the evil biome bosses made by gods?

random mulch
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indirectly

craggy sparrow
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after beating the eye it says they cull them in equal measure

random mulch
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they didn't really "make" them, but both biomes are comprised of a lot of dead gods

craggy sparrow
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so are most of the bosses in-game like queen bee for example made by gods? as monstrosities

random mulch
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no

random mulch
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the only bosses that can be considered to be "made by" gods are eater of worlds / brain of cthulhu, and the profaned guardians

craggy sparrow
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is that uncanon

split mortar
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Purification powder very well may have god origin as well

wanton pendant
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The 'powder' is actually just microbes that eat flesh.
By the way, don't get ANY of it on your skin.

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Source: Dude, trust me.

split mortar
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This person is not knowledgeable on lore dont
Oh ok nvm makde it clear it a joke

craggy sparrow
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wait

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couldn't yharim just

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dig up the corruption

wanton pendant
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Yeah.

craggy sparrow
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with a large ass construction site

wanton pendant
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But then he'd lose his propaganda piece.

craggy sparrow
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using draedons tech

split mortar
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Yeah or use draedon to make the solution
Yet its still there

craggy sparrow
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Ive also read they consumed the souls of dragons to become gods, if i were to guess as a lore newbie it'd has to do with the perversion of the natural rebirth

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sort of a pseudo immortality

random mulch
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gods are very much still mortal

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that's why most of them are dead

split mortar
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Consuming a auric dragons soul does stop them from being reborn
The gods dont get rebirth tho

craggy sparrow
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Isn't their essence basically just them reforming

split mortar
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God Essence is their soul having shattered like a undertale monster soul
Dragon souls stay in a single piece
Also the dragons dont rebirth by themselves they need yharon

wanton pendant
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To continue the Undertale comparison, they're like the Amalgamates.

split mortar
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Has the domain of rebirth

zenith geode
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dragon of rebirth

wanton pendant
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Yharon has the ability to ressurect Auric Dragons, including himself.

zenith geode
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only if their auric souls aren't absorbed however

split mortar
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Yeah mentioned that earlier

craggy sparrow
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Oh i get the context for the yharon agendas are now a bit

wanton pendant
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Yharon agenda?

craggy sparrow
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something something

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soul getting stolen

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everytime

split mortar
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Yharon would also perma die if the soul was consumed

split mortar
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Cool ragebait

thick slate
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all the dragons are dead

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and gone

split mortar
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They lasted many times longer then they normally would have

thick slate
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okayy but now its useless

split mortar
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Its kept yharon alive

thick slate
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yea dude if i was the immortal last human id be so happy

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does yharon have a drinking problem

split mortar
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🤷

thick slate
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how much alcohol needed to get a dragon drunk

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this is like a dnd plan

pliant ruin
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given that the entirety of the hallow was sealaed away while corruption/crimson was kept ot a small extent its all but confirmed this is intentional

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as others have said

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good propaganda

pliant ruin
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Eye of Chtulhu also is a god essence byproduct it's just not directly tied to either of the evil biomes

random mulch
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right, whoops

split mortar
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Why profaned guardians wha

pliant ruin
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They weren't directly created by it but i mean

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I can see the argument

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They were just regular humans before and their current state is due to providence granting htem part of her power

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Though on that note primordial wyrm would fall under a similar boat

long bloom
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braelor clueless

random mulch
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he aint a boss

long bloom
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neither is pw

wanton pendant
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It is.

light linden
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random thought

long bloom
spare pier
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But Yeah

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Nothing Special About Them

light linden
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y'all think scal's expertise in necromancy would've made her a natural ally to yharon if she was alive in the draconic era?

pliant ruin
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yeah they were like def capable warriors

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killed a seemingly very strong dragon and all

dusk laurel
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imo not really since scal has necromancy which is imperfect

long bloom
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calamity necromancy is fucking garbage

pliant ruin
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I don't see why Yharon would have anything but negative feelings towards necromancy seeing as it is a perversion of that which his entire Life Purpose is

dusk laurel
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unlike yharon's auric soul of rebirth which can truly bring the other auric dragons back to life

spare pier
split mortar
pliant ruin
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I think in the current times yharon probably tolerates it due to its utility and how widespread it has become

split mortar
long bloom
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die

pliant ruin
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but iirc in the draconic age it was a very experimental type of magic and was mostly unknown

spare pier
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Kills Melon Gun

pliant ruin
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ANd he took his position in dragon society very seriously

split mortar
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Wtf did i do

pliant ruin
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Necromancy would probably just feel like a mockery of everything he is

wanton pendant
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You know what you did.

pliant ruin
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Again i think he just, tolerates it nowadays

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He still dosen't like it, but he tolerates it due to, again, its power, utility, and the fact he can't do much about it due to how widespread it has become

split mortar
spare pier
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You Made A Melon Joke

dusk laurel
spare pier
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It Is Punishable By, As A Certain Someone Would Say

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Gallows

split mortar
pliant ruin
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the gallows ...

mighty zenith
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what a blunder

spare pier
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TO TH3 G4LLOWS W1TH Y3

dusk laurel
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why did my brain turn gallows into gully...

pliant ruin
split mortar
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No

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Fuck

dusk laurel
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im too sunken sea overhaul rotted

split mortar
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Wrong one

spare pier
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Ha Ha

spare pier
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Embed Failure

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Laugh At This User

dusk laurel
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stupid melon

split mortar
spare pier
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Anyways We Need To Go Write Shit

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Adiós

dusk laurel
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exiled

pliant ruin
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the writer

agile matrix
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is the cult that made ravager at all related to the cult that made golem

dusk laurel
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golem was created by the lihzahrds who apparently used to worship an unspecified god who made golem as a replacement, the cult that resurrected the god of sacrifices into the ravager was a specific sect of the god of sacrifices followers that had a warped interpretation of who he was and what he did

agile matrix
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arright

long bloom
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or at least it would be astronomically unlikely

agile matrix
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were they located anywhere specific or did they just exist somewhere

agile matrix
long bloom
agile matrix
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oh fun

long bloom
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except azafurians

agile matrix
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and me

dusk laurel
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wildly oversimplified

agile matrix
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true

long bloom
dusk laurel
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azafure extremely likely wasnt the only group that didnt worship gods i feel like that its a stretch to claim that azafure out of the entire planet were the only outliers during the deific era

long bloom
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yeah but we don't know about anything outside the heartlands

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and god worshipping was the default for at least half of society

dusk laurel
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reading back on mango's message that came with GoS' design and its interesting to me that brimstone is described as being related to the afterlife

"Make ties to brimstone (afterlife) by current ravager having brim-petals on the antlers when he is revived (these are the souls of his cultists that were absorbed into him)"

long bloom
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oh yeah i never really thought about that

dusk laurel
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i read it as "brimstone afterlife" before months ago and completely missed the parentheses lmao

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but it does suggest some things about the brimstone crags and magic

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if brimstone is related to the afterlife and calamitas is proficient in both brimstone (definitely related to brimmy reawakening) and necromancy (likely also related to brimmy reawakening since we know she had it atleast when the destruction of azafure was going on since soul slurpers are a prototype of soul seekers iirc

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then i can see a clearer connection between the two as before they seemed a bit unrelated as we only really knew brimstone for brimstone fire/magic and being a (rock? mineral?)

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whereas necromancy is a botched version of resurrection

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how did the crags form? if its related to revival did silva's influence from the abyss bringing life to the area have anything to do with? this also puts into question brimmy as while yes shes the main incarnation of the heat elemental, shes specifically brimstone, with ties to azafure as their matron

young socket
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yknow how we call life warm n stuff

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n brimmys the heat elemental

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idk how to explain this well rlly

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but wat im getting at is brimmy has slight life powers due to that, maybe not perfect life powers, which is why its necromancy specifically

dusk laurel
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a connection with the afterlife may explain some other things, rebirth can come after the afterlife, and is often connected with fire, yharon is the dragon of rebirth and yet he breathes fire and can control it. the crags are in hell after all, which is literally a massive underground cavern of magma, possibly being the reason why brimstone is connected and found in it

young socket
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tbh this just makes me question wat an afterlife is

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cuz a dragon of rebirth kinda implies that the cycle of life in terraria has at least some inhabitants rebirthing

dusk laurel
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funny how current rav's design also has a lot of fire in it

young socket
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(not counting the dragons cuz they only started rebirthing after they obtained the auric souls, and the domains only exist cuz they were things that exist on terraria)

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vanillin can u send rav design i wanna check smthn

dusk laurel
young socket
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tanks

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ok so unless the designs changing again the fire stuff from rav seem to be entirely gone but who knows

dusk laurel
young socket
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also the brimmy + afterlife = rebirth n stuff could also tie in to why scal is so good at necromancy of all magics

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her connection to brimmy is wats making it good

dusk laurel
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yeah

young socket
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cuz like

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im sorry but i simply do not believe that perma would teach scal necromancy

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nor would she pursue it while in hiding

dusk laurel
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heat is also needed for metal to be forged and molded, which can be compared to rebirth if youre repairing an tool/weapon or turning it into something completely different but thats more of a stretch compared to my previous points

young socket
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also wait

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yea no necromancy is totally related to brimstone

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scal had necromancy powers during the brimmy clash

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(soul slurpers are proto soul seekers, which are necromancy)

dusk laurel
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yeah i said this earlier too

young socket
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o i didnt see

dusk laurel
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she had it at the same time as her brimstone powers

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which means theyre a packaged deal

young socket
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i wonder if theres other people walking around terraria with scals weird ability

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like imagine living life one day and u come into contact with anahita and now u have sick water and ice powers

dusk laurel
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wait

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we know that azafure was the origin of many schools of magic

thorn drift
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Honestly brimstone might literally just be burning souls

dusk laurel
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and we also know that all of the mages found in the dungeon are dead azafurians

thorn drift
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would explain the whispering maelstrom

young socket
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wait.

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control the souls? isnt that like

dusk laurel
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whispering maelstrom inflicts vuln hex (i think) which i think one of the writers suggested was a mix of brimstone magic and necromancy

young socket
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a thing only scal does,,,,

thorn drift
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That would imply only scal knows necromancy, wich is possible, but I think rather unlikely

young socket
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do we know of any other manmade necromancy that uses souls?

thorn drift
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Well, isn't necromancy literally just that? Controlling dead souls to do your bidding?

dusk laurel
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and knowing that she was permafrost's main student and adopted child i find it rather unlikely she doesnt know more

thorn drift
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Twasnt my point but yeah i agree

young socket
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meow

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rn our explanation for necromancy is controlling peoples bones

dusk laurel
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yeah it explains why msot necromancy constructs are well uhm... gulp... bones

cosmic zenith
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(Necromancy isn't just that, bones simply facilitate it)

dusk laurel
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ic ic

thorn drift
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Are souls involved?

cosmic zenith
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(And controlling bones is the easiest form of it)

agile matrix
# dusk laurel

is it wrong that i expect ravager to move kinda like a chimpanzee

cosmic zenith
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There's no formal agreement between writers on the details of necromancy

agile matrix
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like dudes gonna climb the walls them luchador you

cosmic zenith
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But I personally would assume some types of Necromancy involve souls, while others don't

dusk laurel
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yeah that makes sense

thorn drift
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Perhaps her brimstone flames aren't seperate from necromancy, and instead moreso an extension of it? In the sense that instead of using a soul to create a construct, she pumps it so full of mana it bursts into flame? I dunno

left rivet
#

Is ravager a chimpanze

dusk laurel
#

no its a fleshy gorilla monstrosity

split mortar
#

fucking finally others connected brimstone and necromancy

#

And new insight yay

dusk laurel
#

lore discussion? in my lore discussion? its more likely than you think

abstract hedge
#

How do we have so much lore but absolutely nothing on how magic works aside from Necromancy not being very effective?

split mortar
#

I feel theres probably some permafrost dialogue but not bothered to find that rn

split mortar
#

Not ingame

dusk laurel
#

its because the lore we have rn is mainly the main story, some extra context, and a little bit of worldbuilding

split mortar
#

^

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what we have rn is basically just
The start

#

What they had to do first

pulsar ocean
#

when do we get permafrost's sad backstory

limpid saddle
craggy sparrow
#

It baffles me how the slime god killed the dragon of gluttony

#

to gain its power yet is dogwalked in pre hardmode

cloud ibex
#

the gluttony dragon was weaker, evidently

craggy sparrow
#

Yeah man did all that

cloud ibex
#

also do note that sg is purposefully handicapping itself

#

it could have become stronger, but it chose not to

craggy sparrow
#

gained a arguably stupid ass form (who wants to be slime??)

craggy sparrow
#

idk what happens next im still grinding to have a smooth time in hardmode

radiant pebble
#

so im making a game (not an ad) thats like dnd but with my bull shit
say you can fight a jojos boss or something
I just added Yharon and did a full lore type out but idk if its too long to send
im just kinda asking for permission to send about 3 paragraphs

craggy sparrow
split mortar
split mortar
craggy sparrow
#

you're saying it took estrogen

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good for them

radiant pebble
#

The dragon of rebirth itself…
The last thing Yharon remembered before coming here was death…
He had been defeated and was actively dying…
He lost consciousness and woke up here in a never ending field of green
He noticed he felt weak
Almost like he was out of mana
Usually he’d be able to fly but his wings were tattered and broken so he couldn’t fly.
He spent a couple months regaining his strength and trying to call out to his ally’s…
None came
It was as if he wasn’t even in the same dimension anymore…
After a while his wings were close to healing when a caravan encountered him…
After they met he struck a deal with them.
One of them would use a spell on him that would change his size to about the size of a parrot if he protected them on there journey through the tower.
They proceeded to become ally’s for around 6 months.
When one day they decided to go to a higher tier than they were ready for
Yharon could hold his own but, he couldn’t protect everyone at once
Once they made it deeper into the tower while they were resting all of the members of his party were assassinated
Yharon was asleep and didn’t see who did it…
The didn’t kill him since he was only the size of a parrot.
After the shrink spell wore off he started to grow to his normal size…
That’s when the tower took notice and designated him as a boss and gave him is own chamber that he could fly around it
Along with food, water, and the occasional adventurer to challenge him.
With no way to shrink down and get out of the tower again he was trapped…
Once defeated you can kill him and get his drops or, if you have a shrink spell you can have him join the party
He will be loyal to whomever uses the spell

split mortar
#

Bit late at night for me to tell if this fully good to yharons character but this does seem pretty cool

radiant pebble
#

i had to do this amount of lore dump for hatsune miku too 😭
my friends voted for me to do it

limpid saddle
#

they contain multitudes, including pronouns

left rivet
#

Is the base protagonist like powerful

dusk laurel
#

y y y-y yo -y YOU!!!! you get to decide who or what the terrarian is

#

since it doesnt exactly make sense to have definitive character lore if the player can just make their own at the start of the game and possibly contradict like half of it, problems with terraria being a sandbox and all

abstract hedge
#

The terrarian is a blank slate character so you can have whatever lore for them you want.

dusk laurel
#

^

left rivet
#

I am drawing but i wanted to make him Chunky of muscles and that stuff but idk if it should be good

real silo
#

he can be the buffest man in the multiverse or he can be skin and bones

#

whichever one you prefer

left rivet
#

All canon clueless

thick slate
#

like guy who looks like he work at walmart

real silo
#

yes

left rivet
#

Next time i go to Walmart i Will ask if he once killed a crab with fungus infection

scenic olive
#

finally some lore

feral skiff
pliant ruin
#

you cant escape it

#

you. you. you. terrarian you

dusk laurel
#

lore discussion immediately subsumed by the terrarian

magic epoch
#

siiva goddess of rips

real silo
#

lore discussion is the terrarian

left rivet
#

is crabulon consumable

long bloom
#

no

long bloom
#

sorry you're not blue

#

only blue people have rights

left rivet
#

Like sans?

magic epoch
#

it's a husk of a crab, no meat, infected with glowing mushrooms, which are implied to be hallucinogenic and are only consumable when used in potions, and even then it makes you sick

stiff sleet
#

How badly will the lore change when xeroc and the yharim come to calamity (that is if they are)

dusk laurel
#

no big lore changes

stiff sleet
#

Really?

#

Wouldnt they have to add a reason for them to be there?

sinful adder
#

The reasons already exist

#

We just don't know them

#

We will just find out things that were true all along but we didn't know

stiff sleet
#

Ohhh ok

pliant ruin
#

I mean the mod's entire plot is the reason yharim is here

stiff sleet
#

Also do yk if anything with the auric dragons after killing xerox?

pliant ruin
#

Everything ingame that happens or has already happened is already building upto him

sinful adder
#

No

pliant ruin
sinful adder
#

All the auric dragons are dead already

pliant ruin
#

And the auric dragons are extinct, there is no way to bring them back

sinful adder
#

Except yharon

pliant ruin
#

Yharon is the only survivor and it'll forever remain as that, unless he too eventually dies

stiff sleet
pliant ruin
#

His boss fight will not end with him dying

#

He'll live

#

It'll be more of a amiable sparring session than anything

sinful adder
#

We might fight xeroc but as like, practice. We're incapable of killing him

#

He's too strong

pliant ruin
#

Not only will the fight itself not be set up as a fight to the death between the two characters as much as it's just a friendly duel but Xeroc is also too damn strong to really be killed

stiff sleet
#

So its just another draedon fight?

pliant ruin
#

I guess...? But not really

#

Other than the fact the characters in question don't die there's no similarities

#

Same logic could say it's another Calamitas fight ig

stiff sleet
#

Arent they both tests of strength?

pliant ruin
#

Yeah but the circumstances are pretty different

stiff sleet
#

Ahh

stiff sleet
#

Are there any plans if at all to kill 1 of those 3?

#

Im guessing not

pliant ruin
#

no

stiff sleet
#

FUCK

#

Draedon pisses me off

long bloom
#

which 3

stiff sleet
#

I hate that god damn fight

pliant ruin
#

There's no narrative reason for it to happen in 2/3 of those cases and in another 2/3 its basically impossible

long bloom
#

that'd be like trying to destroy the entire internet

#

too many backups in too many locations

stiff sleet
#

Fair point😭

pliant ruin
#

Not to mention Calamitas locks a whole npc with unique mechanics behind her defeat

pliant ruin
#

Every bossfight is being reworked if not remade from scratch becasue generally speaking they, uh. suck

stiff sleet
#

Dog..

pliant ruin
#

Few exceptions that don't but they're still being reworked to be Better regardless

long bloom
#

ding dong the witch is dead

#

bosses can be good now

pliant ruin
#

horse annihilated

stiff sleet
#

Also i saw something and i wanted to get this clarified

#

Is the nameless deity xeroc? Just unofficially?

pliant ruin
#

no

dusk laurel
#

no

long bloom
#

addons aren't canon

#

they're fanfiction

stiff sleet
#

Yeah obv

pliant ruin
#

nameless deity is a separate fanamde character that has nothing to do with calamity's lore

#

wotg isn't even gonna be a calamity addon anymore in future updates

stiff sleet
#

Bro then wtf was this mf rambling on abt😭😭

pliant ruin
#

dumb shit

long bloom
pliant ruin
#

dont trust everything you see on the internet

abstract hedge
pliant ruin
#

specially if it comes from a video on youtube that clearly does not have any actual effort put into fact checking

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or even worse, a short

sinful adder
long bloom
#

they used to be xeroc in the lore but that was reconned

pliant ruin
#

becasue god knows how many shitty calamity lore youtube videos and shorts there are

abstract hedge
#

Just like how (wotg) Noxus didn't matter even though they were based on a calamity thing cause they were from an addon.

sinful adder
#

It's based loosely on a concept for a character called Xeroc from the old calamity lore

abstract hedge
#

Xeroc still exists they're just very very very different now.

pliant ruin
#

Xeroc is just a chill guy

#

that lowk dosent give a fuck

abstract hedge
#

Old lore they were the creation god, now they're the first god, god of the sun, and somehow like no one knows they exist.

abstract hedge
#

They also haven't done anything we know of in like a thousand years.

pliant ruin
#

Because very few people can really verify it due to how long ago it happened and how Xeroc hasn't really, shown up to verify anything

#

There's just a first god that killed the dragon king one day and thats the general gist of what'd be somewhat common knowledge i think

dusk laurel
#

moonlord invaded like 850 ish years ago right so like its inaccurate to say 1000 years i think

abstract hedge
#

Hyperbole

#

Also I forgot the actual number and don't care that much

dusk laurel
#

okay

abstract carbon
#

Normally the video thing pops up

long bloom
split mortar
long bloom
#

also yeah the doc is much more comprehensive and was fact checked by multiple writers

abstract carbon
split mortar
#

Fair

left rivet
#

Could minos prime defeat yharim or scal

#

Its important.

split mortar
#

Dont think so but i dont remember the specifics enough ti be confident

feral skiff
#

(don’t do this)

long bloom
#

but i haven't played ultrakill yet

abstract carbon
#

How does omega flowey (not asriel because I play fair) scale to calamity

long bloom
#

has control over save files, so automatically more powerful than everyone

abstract carbon
#

One fart and calamity verse go bye bye

long bloom
#

but if the laws of undertale's more diegetic game universe don't transfer to calamity, definitely at least weaker than xeroc

abstract carbon
#

BRUH

abstract carbon
long bloom
#

likely

abstract carbon
#

And so omega flowey wouldn't have those hax in calamity verse

long bloom
abstract carbon
#

Yeah

long bloom
#

how much health does he have in the files

abstract carbon
#

1 sec

#

9950 hp

#

More than I thought tbh

long bloom
#

given that the default player hp in undertale is 20, we can multiply it by 5 to match terraria

#

so that like 50k

abstract carbon
#

NOT 50K NOOOOOO

long bloom
#

so that's a bit less health than revengeance cryogen

abstract carbon
#

Not the reason 50K is forbidden

#

Seeing the number 50k makes me wanna hide away

long bloom
#

ok

abstract carbon
#

Smth tells me u don't know the meme

abstract carbon
long bloom
#

always has been

abstract carbon
#

But asriel solos fiction

#

Maybe not true power Minecraft steve

#

He truly does solo fiction

split mortar
#

I mean
The entire fight has omega flowey toying with us i doubt the hp they have is like
Actually their limit

long bloom
#

you have a point

long bloom
#

so dubiously canon but probably

left rivet
#

So could yharim beat Superman

split mortar
#

Theres also dev statement of yharim oneshotting cities with a decently strong hit

long bloom
#

no

left rivet
#

Oh

split mortar
#

Cause theres like 7449573 supermen

left rivet
#

The new one

long bloom
#

james gunn movie?

split mortar
#

🤷

left rivet
#

Yes

#

THEN WHY DO YOU-

long bloom
#

hm
probably

left rivet
#

ok

split mortar
left rivet
#

Could xeroc solo ultrakill universe

#

Or xeroc could beat marvel

long bloom
#

??? and no

split mortar
left rivet
#

🙁

split mortar
left rivet
#

Could they mechs defeat city level heroes? Like spiderman

#

Normal mechs

long bloom
#

unlikely

split mortar
#

City level is like
Post moonlord stuff

left rivet
#

Wait really

split mortar
#

Yeah

left rivet
#

Is terraria universe that weak

#

Oh my

long bloom
#

calamity doesn't scale very high

#

xeroc is well under planet level

left rivet
#

Now, could avatar of emptiness kill superman

split mortar
left rivet
#

Goddamn i glaze a lot then );

split mortar
#

Moonlord especially since in their prime they were the second strongest

left rivet
#

Goddamn

#

I always thought dog could beat easily superman

#

So could the twins be defeated by spiderman like nothing?

#

):

split mortar
#

Theres many spidermen but most probably do
Not like this affects the quality of the cal lore or anything tho

left rivet
#

True

#

But oh man

#

I always thought terraria universe was strong and all

abstract carbon
#

I do genuinely wonder how dragoon came to his interpretation of the lore

left rivet
#

And calamity a lot stronger

abstract carbon
#

Cookie clicker guy

cloud ibex
#

Cal powerscaling goes a lot lower than some weapon tooltips would have you believe

long bloom
split mortar
cloud ibex
#

A lot of them are hyperbole to make things sound cooler

wheat walrus
split mortar
wheat walrus
cloud ibex
#

Yes

long bloom
#

snail gun

cloud ibex
#

I woke up an hour ago my brain isn’t functioning properly

split mortar
#

Fair

wheat walrus
#

Happens

wheat walrus
#

That said, Calamity is OBJECTIVELY outerversal

left rivet
#

Is signus powerful

mighty zenith
#

reading total calamity wiki and just making shit up for everything else

wheat walrus
#

who's dragoon

left rivet
#

Me

mighty zenith
#

some guy on youtube

long bloom
split mortar
cloud ibex
wheat walrus
mighty zenith
#

made a cal video a little while back where he just made up his own story for it

long bloom
#

potential boss

abstract carbon
left rivet
#

Sigma envoy of thedevorer

cloud ibex
#

But right now not particularly compared to some of the other heavy hitters in the story

split mortar
mighty zenith
#

i think it was this one

wheat walrus
wheat walrus
split mortar
#

Ah

#

Gtg

left rivet
#

Ok

long bloom
left rivet
#

Photon

long bloom
#

yes

abstract carbon
#

Why didn't i get the thumbnail thing

mighty zenith
#

no embeds

cloud ibex
#

You’re not cool enough

mighty zenith
#

tru

left rivet
#

):

abstract carbon
#

: (

left rivet
#

Your name is not on yellow

#

No spare for u

#

Die

#

Oh yeah no gifs i forgor

#

I wanted to put a gif of minos prime ):

long bloom
#

gif

left rivet
#

That is NOT minos prime

long bloom
#

it used to be amidias

#

believe it or not

left rivet
#

Mmhm amidias

#

PBUrSelf bee

abstract carbon
left rivet
abstract carbon
balmy glacier
split mortar
dusk laurel
#

photon was my intro to old lore...

#

gulp...

split mortar
#

I used to go to the wiki for cal lore back then

magic epoch
#

photon was goated

heavy zenith
#

When are we getting a Yharim Crusades TV show

split mortar
#

54 years

abstract hedge
balmy glacier
#

tomorrow

long vine
balmy glacier
#

yes

long vine
abstract carbon
#

Trust me, it would be PEAK

fleet wedge
abstract carbon
limpid saddle
robust osprey
#

tomorrow's another day

dusk laurel
#

tomorrow's another day

real silo
balmy glacier
#

tomorrow’s another day

split mortar
cloud ibex
#

we're not doing this here

real glen
#

another day, another sso brainrot

fleet wedge
#

tomorrow's another day

cloud ibex
#

the sso brainrot can stay in spoiler talk

pliant ruin
#

do not the lore channel

split mortar
#

We got our own rot in here

dusk laurel
split mortar
heavy zenith
#

Yall think prime moon lord had legs

long bloom
#

i think so yeah

pliant ruin
#

based on that one item they probably were tentacle-esque

#

moon lord legs. that one. that item

#

yep

fleet wedge
#

Didn't the devs confirm it

left rivet
#

How strong is the eoc

long bloom
left rivet
#

):

split mortar
# left rivet How strong is the eoc

Not that strong in the grand scheme of things but defeating it is proof enough for people to make you into a local legend iirc (or other bosses that tier like ds and kinglsime)

left rivet
#

Like monster tier

#

Revengeance launches teeth so is that more powerful than average moster or?

split mortar
#

The average monster is stuff like zombies and slimes or demon eyes or the wulfrum robots
So yes
Its above them

left rivet
#

Well i Guess he is just and big eye

pliant ruin
#

Specially since it's getting removed anyways lo

#

It's literally just as melon said yeah its just

#

Monster. but big

#

It's like. a elephant. obviously elephants are big and scary and powerful but they're also ultimately unremarkable and mundane

#

Atleast in the grand scheme of things

left rivet
#

Well it works for me thanks

light linden
#

@manic coral hey will permafrost have any changes to his dialogue tree based on the biome he's in?

abstract hedge
#

There might be some minor changes but I doubt there'd be anything significant.

long bloom
#

also is the permafrost dialogue gonna be in sso

abstract hedge
#

Maybe? Amidias's probably will be but Permafrost's might be later on, not sure what update it could fit in though.

#

Cause after SSO is the crags overhaul right?

#

I could see him getting his dialogue in that considering the crags connection to calamitas.

#

Idk though

abstract hedge
#

I know

#

I just felt like answering

long bloom
#

your answer is unhelpful because you do not know

abstract hedge
#

I was theorizing cause I can't find if there's any mention.

#

It'll take the exact amount of time for Cei to answer anyways no matter what I say so it doesn't matter.

#

Okay so I'm searching the server and from what I can tell we'll get at least some of his dialogue in the SSO.

#

Unless it's being written for an update further in the future.

dusk laurel
zenith geode
#

isnt it sso2

dusk laurel
#

theres gonna be an update inbetween

#

we dunno which one theyll choose tho

abstract hedge
dusk laurel
#

but now its really up to what they feel like doing

pliant ruin
#

We know of somr updates that'll happen after sso bur not the exact order or anything

dusk laurel
#

it could be yharon, the exo mechs, sulphurous sea, astral, etc

pliant ruin
#

Cuz yeah no set in stone plans

dusk laurel
zenith geode
#

amidias quests is sso1 iirc

dusk laurel
#

since he has the whole questline and all and itd be weird if they changed literally everything else about him except the dialogue

long bloom
dusk laurel
#

the one thing thats most likely gonna be attached to permafrost being reworked (if anything is) is like cryogen and the ice biome content in general (then again the dialogue is more likely to be coming in sso by itself so)

#

but we have no idea when or if its even gonna be its own update lmao

stoic gulch
#

Is ther like a name like Joun but in terraria

#

/smith

long bloom
#

skelli go back in the hole

manic coral
#

the scope is already massive for that stuff

#

in the normal random lines yes he will but that's it

plucky juniper
#

So there's a ritual that lets you ascend into god-hood by consuming an auric soul. This first canonical (unless the half-dragon artist goddess ends up becoming more than fanwork) instance of it was performed by Xeroc, who also used the Terminus to make sure he becomes the god of Primordial Light and not something else. If you do not know the ritual, apparently you just can't become a god. This is additionally used to explain why the Terrarian can't just go and consume Yharon's soul to become a god; they don't know the ritual, so even if they deal with Yharon's soul teleporting away, they wouldn't be able to do much with that soul (aside from infinite yharon soul fragments i wager)

Xeroc is apparently very obscure knowledge, as not many people know of him. There's some headcanoning around #lore-discussion that Yharim didn't even spread knowledge of the "Traitor Almighty" because of the possibility that if people knew of Xeroc, they would end up considering the whole godslaying thing a completely fruitless endeavour. His ascension additionally occured in the Dragon Aerie, a location that not even Draedon can find.

I've also heard that Yharon is potentially one of the last Auric Dragons standing. If we're going by the discussions, 3,000 Auric Dragons existed, and of these, seemingly only one auric dragon, Yharon, has not been consumed by a person to become a god. That's around 3,000 people who have to had known the ritual to become a god.

So, anyhow, how did ≈3,000 people learn how to perform a ritual from a guy who's existence is generally unknown, but somehow the Terrarian in the modern day can't?

robust osprey
#

the full 3000 dragons did not survive moonlord

#

moonlord atleast reduced it to like 1500 iirc

#

also, yharon is the last auric dragon

#

and most ascensions happened long ago, so the knowledge of the ritual just died

plucky juniper
#

i mean, there's also the part where people figured out the ritual to begin with

robust osprey
#

dragon monks probably

#

monks who are just dead

#

other than lc who is NOT telling you how to become a god

abstract hedge
plucky juniper
#

friendly reminder that everytime i debate about the whole ascension thing, it's entirely to advance my agenda to allow me to ascend to godhood using yharon's soul

abstract hedge
#

The ritual is long lost

robust osprey
#

all the people who currently know it is NOT telling ur ass how to absorb an auric soul

plucky juniper
#

the god cult existed, and they tried to get yharim to ascend to godhood. maybe it might be more accurate to say, "Yharim probably did his damned hardest to eliminate knowledge of the ritual to make sure his buddy never gets zucced in case he dies"

robust osprey
#

oh yeah yharim racism is a thing

#

yeah he most likely did that

plucky juniper
#

that feels better to me than "nah it got lost to time"

sinful adder
#

it was always secret knowledge only held by a few

#

and on top of that everyone who knew it is now dead or won't tell you

#

probably someone who knew xeroc figured it out, and shared the secret with a few others, and from there the knowledge spread a little

robust osprey
#

there's also the possibility a dragon just told a dude how to

#

consensual ascending most likely was a thing

cosmic zenith
#

I literally mentioned it was fanfic stuff......

tall delta
#

i forgot the reason why

#

but that will not happen

robust osprey
#

we are currently discussing the why

#

you just don't know how to

plucky juniper
#

i think its a bit overkill considering that yharon just tps his soul away anyways

#

and since hes the only auric dragon we even get the chance to fight

robust osprey
#

no it's better that way so he suffers more

#

bro will revive but his bestie will be dead

plucky juniper
#

actually if some people woh i argued with are right... it would be possibly the worst fate to give to yharim

robust osprey
#

absorbing yharon's soul?

#

yeah probably

plucky juniper
#

he'd suffer an auric rejection electric chair death thanks to his pact going kaput, all the while knowing that his dearest friend, the one who gave him his life's purpose, was just zucced by the man who he wanted to succeed in his place

#

it'd be a fucked up way to go out

robust osprey
#

oh yeah

#

springtrap treatment

#

deserved

feral skiff
#

springlock suit

plucky juniper
#

anyhow

tall delta
#

Iirc there are plans for evils 2 quest line in like they wanting to make you a godking, and their fight would be basically you proving yourself worthy to learn the ritual to become the godking and revive them(depends on your character, you may just wanna kill them because you wanna be yharim 2)

#

but you know

#

future plans

#

concepts

plucky juniper
#

slightly related but i think yharon has unrealized potential thats not being used

robust osprey
#

how

plucky juniper
#

hes the dragon of rebirth. he was once key to keep his race effectively eternal

#

and, as we all know and well, he's pretty pissed off that all of his kin are just GONE and zucced

#

but as of now, yhar the on's character is just yhar the im

#

they both hate gods. they kill gods and thier supporters

tall delta
#

the plan will fail btw

#

for reasons

feral skiff
#

yharon is literally yharim but a bird

plucky juniper
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but since yharon himself once propagated a cycle of rebirth fo his kin, i feel like he'd be better off instead being someone who is trying to undo the damage caused by the existence of the god ritual

tall delta
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idk depends on your character too ig

scenic olive
robust osprey
scenic olive
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i want to be evil Yharim

plucky juniper
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what if he previously cooperated with the dragon cult and its endeavours to resurrect a (presumably auric) dragon?

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what if we saw fucked up experiments resulting from that?

scenic olive
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so i can kill the bees as not enslave my armies and kill all the dragons

plucky juniper
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that'd be a neat foil to Yharim's incessant destruction of the new, with Yharon's sins being the result of his attempts to bring back the old.

scenic olive
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is yharim immune to tickles

plucky juniper
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fuck it what if polterghast was that failed attempt to resurrect a dragon from the souls of thousands of prisoners

scenic olive
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what if you put itching powder in his armor while hes taking a shower

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this is so evil

plucky juniper
scenic olive
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you think draedon has contingency plans for terrarian

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or contigency plans for himself

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like in case draedon server got hacked by idk astral infection

feral skiff
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i feel like it’d just rot and corrupt the servers until they start shutting off individually

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and draedon would have noticed it well before then

scenic olive
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in that case we would have the grey goo scneario

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i think right, what he can do is deploy either self destruct, make a separate AI that has the same goal as him, or a fuck ton of backups

feral skiff
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why cant his scout drones just use the clentaminator

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he can reverse engineer it and mass manufacture it

scenic olive
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thats a great idea ive never thought of that

plucky juniper
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why was the first thought when i read "scout" and "engineer" was tf2

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😭

feral skiff
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It’s Big Brain Time

scenic olive
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what if its something that cannot be cleansed with clentaminatorultimatesmug

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the possibility of getting hijacked is low but never 0

feral skiff
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Then he dies.

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draedon shot dead in the bronx 😭😭😭

scenic olive
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draegone

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that makes me wonder

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does Draedon understand the concept of self sacrifice

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like when all things is futile you have resort to self destruct

feral skiff
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is it canon?

eager bluff
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no

feral skiff
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DAMN IT

eager bluff
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its on fandom

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if its on fandom you can fairly easily immediately discount it as inaccurate at the best

feral skiff
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Yharim is canonically 9 ft 3.5 in tall, which is taller than Robert Wadlow, the tallest human on record, and the Supreme Witch in a maid costume combined.

frosty charm
feral skiff
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even if it isnt canon i love it