lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

He literally doesn't care about people.

[split mortar]

Yeah doesnt advance science

[wanton pendant]

He cares about science.

[jaunty stream]

the exo mechs souls i was talking about btw

wait

[eager bluff]

there are no souls there

[wanton pendant]

They have no souls.

[jaunty stream]

OHHHHHHHHHHH

okay

[split mortar]

If advance science = do it
If not advance science = dont do it

[eager bluff]

there were no souls involved in the creation of exos

[real glen]

[jaunty stream]

are exos his peak mechs?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[jaunty stream]

or was it like just a test run

[eager bluff]

yes

[wanton pendant]

He says this.

[split mortar]

They are atm

[jaunty stream]

and we SOLO it

we are SO tuff

[wanton pendant]

Well, it is the test.
And you destroy them.

[split mortar]

Both
This is their first time being used on the field

[eager bluff]

they're atm the peak of mechanical potential

[split mortar]

But they are the peak of what draedon can do

[jaunty stream]

okay

[wanton pendant]

They probably cost a lot. Good thing Draedon seems to have all the resources he could ever need.

[jaunty stream]

so why not just make a railgun that can just kill a planet

[eager bluff]

they're the strongest machines have ever been (at least in a way thats relevant to the story)

[jaunty stream]

i feel like thats way more stronger

[eager bluff]

i mean

sure

if you dont care about keeping the planet intact

[jaunty stream]

so whos stronger
exo mechs or calamtis

[eager bluff]

neither

[split mortar]

Doesnt want to end the world and also like
Prob cant

[jaunty stream]

i dont think daedon cares

[eager bluff]

they're the same tier

[wanton pendant]

I think Calamitas is still slightly stronger, but it's very close.

[eager bluff]

he in fact does care

[jaunty stream]

oh

[split mortar]

Same point in progression so same strength

[jaunty stream]

what if its a planet with useless stuff to him, but stuff he hates

[eager bluff]

he doesnt particularly care if everybody else on the planet dies but he wants the planet intact

[split mortar]

Draedon cares about biology and understanding life for that is a science

[wanton pendant]

He wants to study.

[jaunty stream]

okay what about a humanity wiper

the planet stays alive but the people on it is wiped

[wanton pendant]

Why would he do that?

[split mortar]

So the exos?

Idk what you mean by that

[eager bluff]

no real point, hes essentially already made it too with the plague

[jaunty stream]

idk silly bomb go boom

[wanton pendant]

No real scientific merit to mass extinction.
Anthropology is still a science, after all.

[jaunty stream]

did he uh made the fraud calamits

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[jaunty stream]

epic

[plucky lichen]

He does care, planet has valuable resources

Killing everyone isn’t entirely beneficial to him

[eager bluff]

even if he didnt care about the people on the rock he still cares about the fact that rocks are made of minerals and he quite needs minerals to build things

[pliant ruin]

Draedon isn't just Evil Haha I Will Kill All Humans

[jaunty stream]

o

what if he wants humans for their resources

like blood

guts

bones

[pliant ruin]

why the fuck would he

[jaunty stream]

etc etc

[split mortar]

Draedon can clone people

[jaunty stream]

a machine to run on blood

[eager bluff]

he can grow those on his own he doesnt need to kill people for that

[split mortar]

If need be for some reason

[wanton pendant]

This ain't Ultrakill.

[jaunty stream]

okay

[pliant ruin]

Not only can he just find far more efficient and ethical way sof doing that in what situation would he need a mass supply of it 😭

[eager bluff]

incredibly inefficient

[plucky lichen]

Draedon isn’t a genocidal maniac, he’s just a robot who wants to further his technological abilities and advancements, and does so in the most efficient way he can

[pliant ruin]

^

[plucky lichen]

Which can sometimes be uhhhhh morally grey but

[pliant ruin]

IF the most efficient way involves doing some immoral shit, he will; Ex: Plague

[wanton pendant]

He has developed power sources to surpass Metal Gear blood nuclear reactors.

[jaunty stream]

okay whats the most efficient way now

[pliant ruin]

but he won't just be evil for no reason

[eager bluff]

hes not a philanthropist but hes not a misanthropist either

[plucky lichen]

Not killing everyone that’s for sure

[wanton pendant]

Killer robots, as it turns out.

[jaunty stream]

wait what if since he saw us surpass exos, would he make like a clone of us?

[split mortar]

Trying to make long distance wireless teleportation is their next goal iirc

[jaunty stream]

like a robot clone

[pliant ruin]

no

[wanton pendant]

Since the Exo Mechs exist, no.

[split mortar]

Already knows clones are unlikely to work due to calclone

[pliant ruin]

We aren't strong because of our genetics

[wanton pendant]

That is his 'robot clone' of the most powerful things he knows about.

[wanton pendant]

Get image.

[pliant ruin]

Given we start the game with liek

[jaunty stream]

oh

[pliant ruin]

Nothing

[plucky lichen]

Unless we ARE

[plucky lichen]

Because… because…

[pliant ruin]

No like regardless of

You literally start the game weak as fuck objectively speaking

[jaunty stream]

and then we take drugs

[wanton pendant]

So do babies.

Babies are weak.

They can get strong.

[plucky lichen]

Not if I start with a cheat mod

[pliant ruin]

eats u

[plucky lichen]

Because I’m ME

[jaunty stream]

what about moonlord

whats his purpose now?

[eager bluff]

making a clone generally involves dealing with biological shit and draedon really does not like dealing with biological shit

[split mortar]

Bear foetuses are week yet you wont say their atrength arent at least partially genetic

[plucky lichen]

Being dead

[jaunty stream]

and?

[eager bluff]

being dead

[pliant ruin]

evil ass alien that almost destroyed dragon civilization thousands of years ago, acting as the catalyst for literally everything that happens in the story

[wanton pendant]

Kill.

[pliant ruin]

The dragons then sealed him away in the moon

[jaunty stream]

boooooo lammmeeee

[pliant ruin]

The one you fight ingame is a horribly mutilated and weakened version

[jaunty stream]

oh

[pliant ruin]

What the hell do you mean lame moon lord is literally one of the characters that has the most aura in the entire mod

[split mortar]

Look at the sprite thats obvious

[jaunty stream]

so prime moonlord was like as strong as yharon??

[pliant ruin]

No

[wanton pendant]

Stronger.

[eager bluff]

stronger

[wanton pendant]

By a lot.

[pliant ruin]

Much stronger

[jaunty stream]

I mean lame as in his actions

[split mortar]

Stronger then noxus

[wanton pendant]

If he was as strong as Yharon, wouldn't Yharon and Zeratros just kill him?

[jaunty stream]

like near calamtis level?

[pliant ruin]

If he was as strong as Yharon he wouldn't have beena threat to all of dragon society

[plucky lichen]

Stronger

[pliant ruin]

He's stronger than Calamitas

[wanton pendant]

Stronger.

[plucky lichen]

Than cal

[wanton pendant]

Stronger than Yharim.

[jaunty stream]

.

[pliant ruin]

Stronger than literally every single character in the mod except Xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Not as strong as Xeroc.

[split mortar]

Second strongest cal character

Only second to xeroc

[jaunty stream]

wow im happy hes weak

:D

[eager bluff]

strong to the point where he surpasses nearly every single named entity in calamity

[jaunty stream]

is WOTG canon here or nah

[plucky lichen]

Lea solos tho

[wanton pendant]

Of course not.

[real glen]

nah

[plucky lichen]

No

[wanton pendant]

It's fanfiction.

[split mortar]

No addons are canon

[jaunty stream]

okay good

[plucky lichen]

Remember that fanfiction is still peak

[split mortar]

Barely even that its losing the cal dependancy at some point iirc

[jaunty stream]

wait is cthulhu still lore here

[split mortar]

No

[plucky lichen]

No

[eager bluff]

no

[plucky lichen]

Terraria lore is mostly out the window in cal

[jaunty stream]

alright

[split mortar]

Moonlord is not cthulhu in calamity

[split mortar]

Entirely

[jaunty stream]

...I thought they were different people

[eager bluff]

in old lore they were

in current lore cthulhu is just not a thing

[split mortar]

In vanilla they are the same creature

[jaunty stream]

okay

what about slime king

and queen

what are they doing now

[pliant ruin]

Slime king is a big slime

👍

[jaunty stream]

WOW

w lore

[fallen kindle]

oh melon is not whitename now

[pliant ruin]

Queen Slime is weird

Her current lore is one thing but

[real glen]

And it will get killed by us

[pliant ruin]

that's probably being scrapped

[thick slate]

whos melon broo

[jaunty stream]

oh

[split mortar]

I have invaded the patreon chat its harder to escape me now

[real glen]

@split mortar

[plucky lichen]

Queen slime is like slime god (?) ish? I think?

[jaunty stream]

what about the evenst

[pliant ruin]

It is currently

[split mortar]

Give me access to the dev server

[fallen kindle]

they know im pretty sure

[thick slate]

stop making people up

[pliant ruin]

But

[jaunty stream]

did their lore change

[eager bluff]

king slime is big slime
queen slime is trans (though this is changing because her current position is really really fucked and wouldnt make sense with the potential slime god retier)

[jaunty stream]

like goblin army

[pliant ruin]

Given that the slime god swap is happening

[plucky lichen]

If it’s being scrapped then like idk lmao

[real glen]

Nuh uh

[pliant ruin]

Yeah that's

[fallen kindle]

what..?

[pliant ruin]

If the slime god swap happens it'll absolutely be scrapped

It's one of the main reasons people want the scrap to begin with because queen slime lore is very. controversial (wack)

[jaunty stream]

.l..

did

[split mortar]

Is the gays slimegod liquid gender potion

[plucky lichen]

Slime rain is when there’s lots of slime and they fall from the sky yup

[jaunty stream]

did xeroc MAKE the universe

like im just wondering

[pliant ruin]

The events don't really have much lore

no

[eager bluff]

no

[split mortar]

No

[thick slate]

next ur gonna say pumas are real

[jaunty stream]

oh

[plucky lichen]

Slime god is genderfluid this is my headcannon

[pliant ruin]

there are no creator gods or omnipotent beings

[manic coral]

no sorry

[eager bluff]

xeroc is just a dude that happens to be really really really strong

[jaunty stream]

so the universe was just... made

[split mortar]

Xeroc is only like 850-900 years old iirc

[pliant ruin]

no

[split mortar]

[pliant ruin]

nobody made the universe

[real glen]

Cei jumpscare

[jaunty stream]

the universe made itself

[thick slate]

big bang

[plucky lichen]

Hi cei

[pliant ruin]

we do not know how the calamity universe came to be and never will because its

not relevant

[jaunty stream]

that

[split mortar]

Calamity has not touched how the universe was made

[fallen kindle]

best move

[jaunty stream]

what about uhm

[thick slate]

i think the devs made it

[jaunty stream]

the plaguebringer

daedon made it right

[manic coral]

and also why would anybody know

[eager bluff]

yeah

[jaunty stream]

to bring a plague

and if i remember..

[eager bluff]

draedon made it, yharim got pissed, yharim and draedon broke up

[pliant ruin]

We don't even know exactly how the universe was made in real life, there's just theories

[jaunty stream]

desert scourage was orginally like a protector of the underwater city thing before it was dried up

[real glen]

And we also dont know what lies beyond main island

[pliant ruin]

no

[jaunty stream]

am i right

[eager bluff]

no

[jaunty stream]

oh

[pliant ruin]

desert scourge was just a wild animal that had its original habitat be incinerated and thus he migrated to the desert

[real glen]

Just random creature

[split mortar]

Draedon made the nano plague to be able to control organic creatures iirc

[pliant ruin]

said habitat being the shallow waters of the sunken sea, which are now known as the timeless shores

[jaunty stream]

oh

[eager bluff]

soon™

[real glen]

sso tomorrow

[jaunty stream]

thinking...

luntic cultist

[manic coral]

but ever since the incineration of ilmeris it was able to adapt to the new envrionment where due to said incineration it now has no competition

[jaunty stream]

i heard he made uhh shields

for the

i frgr

[manic coral]

making it the apex predator there

[split mortar]

When was LC born

[eager bluff]

cultist was in charge of the cult that kept moon lord Not Here

[real glen]

He was the one who keeps the seal of moonlord

[jaunty stream]

oh

[split mortar]

The dragin cult kept the moonlord seal functional and also had seals on CV

[jaunty stream]

what about boss rush?

is that canon

[eager bluff]

we fucked that whole thing up so he tried to kill us and then we killed moon lord

xeroc does a little trolling

[jaunty stream]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[real glen]

kinda
I mean pretty much

[jaunty stream]

what about the boss that uh

protects it or whatever

[split mortar]

Xeroc testes us
The thing in the back ground is a single sigil from the guy

[jaunty stream]

is that hhis camera

[mighty zenith]

primordial wyrm is also canon if thats who you're talking about

[split mortar]

Jared hates primordial light and xeroc
And so gets angry when you teleport using it

[split mortar]

I headcanon it as the source of the spell making up boss rush but we dint know

[jaunty stream]

yeah that thing

[eager bluff]

out of universe the sigil is there because its cool to have a bigass floating sigil in the background

[jaunty stream]

what about the 3 meatballs?

are they protecting mom

[eager bluff]

3/4ths of a polycule

[split mortar]

Profaned guardians?

[jaunty stream]

yea

the meatballs

[mighty zenith]

lebians

[jaunty stream]

i HATE them btw

[mighty zenith]

you hate lesbians?

[jaunty stream]

thats when i quit calamity

[split mortar]

Not their mother they are in a polycule

[mighty zenith]

smh smh

[jaunty stream]

woah woah i like everyone

[jaunty stream]

...a what

[mighty zenith]

relationship made out of multiple people

[real glen]

good news

[jaunty stream]

oh

so like

all 4 of them are..

together?

[split mortar]

Yes

[mighty zenith]

lebians

[jaunty stream]

oh

lesbians

[split mortar]

All 4 are women as well

[jaunty stream]

what about the uhm

[manic coral]

this is all not discussion or confirms mostly just reb's headcanon

[jaunty stream]

the bosses u gotta do before dog

[manic coral]

to be clear

even if on paper

based

[split mortar]

Nuh uh fuck you

[mighty zenith]

make them lebians.

[manic coral]

but not actually discussed

[jaunty stream]

no its canon now

[mighty zenith]

i will give you 5 dollars

[split mortar]

Make it real

[jaunty stream]

theyre lesbians

[manic coral]

basically dont joke around please when people are asking actual questions

:p

[mighty zenith]

shhh

[jaunty stream]

can yharon kill calamtis

[mighty zenith]

this is a special case

[eager bluff]

no

[manic coral]

that's how misinformation spreads

[real glen]

No because he is kind

[eager bluff]

not without a whole lot of effort and luck on his part

[jaunty stream]

WAIT NO I MMEAN

YAHRIM

yharim i meant

[eager bluff]

no the fuck he is not

[mighty zenith]

just turn it into true information

[split mortar]

Yharon prob has a chance to win but scal would have the power advantage
And also the box messing with yharon

[jaunty stream]

does daedon know about us?
Or like a humanity near like us

[eager bluff]

yharim maybe could but it would be close vs calamitas

[split mortar]

Yharim would have the power advantage iirc and so more likely to win but sca also has a chance to win iirc

[manic coral]

i have no idea what this question is even supposed to mean gnl

[jaunty stream]

sca is the stupid scary worm crwly thing right

[split mortar]

This is why the document is best

[split mortar]

GoNna Lie?

[plucky lichen]

Yharim is not kind he’s literally gigahitler

[jaunty stream]

is there yaoi in calamity

[split mortar]

braelor and statis

And they nearly killed yharim a few months ago

[plucky lichen]

No yuri in calamity

[jaunty stream]

what kind does he hate the most

[mighty zenith]

yes yuri

[split mortar]

Gods

[jaunty stream]

oh

[plucky lichen]

Lie actually the terrarian is me and I’m gay

[eager bluff]

no

[plucky lichen]

Gods and their worshipers

[eager bluff]

the worm with legs is sepulcher

scal is the woman

[plucky lichen]

Also lizhards

He doesn’t like the lizhards

[mighty zenith]

tbf that goes under god worshippers

[plucky lichen]

Yeah

Lizhards can be atheists too!

[jaunty stream]

hmm

[plucky lichen]

Don’t generalize

[jaunty stream]

i think thats all my questions

ill see if i can think of anymor

[eager bluff]

hes racist to lihzahrds but he'll prioritize killing god worshippers over lihzahrds

[plucky lichen]

I can’t react to images and it’s pissing me off

And texts

[jaunty stream]

yharim: "I HATE (god slur)"

i can already see yharim joining a discord server filled with gods and just spamming god slurs

[eager bluff]

he is the one who invented the slurs

[jaunty stream]

WIAT

WHAT ABOUT THE BRIMSTONE

TE BRIMSTNE GIRL

[plucky lichen]

Brimmy?

[jaunty stream]

Yyeah

the thing every freak loves

[plucky lichen]

Lowkey

Idk

I have a few theories but I’m scared of being wrong lmao

[split mortar]

Brimstone elemental was asleep
Nuked azafure when woken up
Scal fights here to a standstill
Suddenly only early hardmode

[split mortar]

Say em anyways

[jaunty stream]

my theory is uh

nvm

...

what else do i need to ask..

[plucky lichen]

Ugh didn’t azafure kinda worship(ish) or at least put brimmy on some sort of pedestal

[jaunty stream]

will there be any bosses that could like come back stronger to fight us

[plucky lichen]

I want to clarify this before I go deeper

Into my train of thought

[wanton pendant]

You kill most of them.

[mighty zenith]

uhh

you kill like

[jaunty stream]

most
not all

[mighty zenith]

all of them

except 2?

[split mortar]

I have the scal sponge theory which states scal is a sponge for brimstone magic and absorbed almost all of brims power
Clone did this to scal for a sec as well according to this hence why the clone lacked brimstone magic till scal broke her out

[mighty zenith]

technically 3

[jaunty stream]

who

[mighty zenith]

deus, scal and draedon

though you destroy his mechs

[pulsar ocean]

is this connected to the sponge accessory

[eager bluff]

yharon

[split mortar]

Werent she their matron figure or something

[mighty zenith]

oh well yea

[split mortar]

No

[jaunty stream]

well daedon might come back for another round

[plucky lichen]

That’s what I was thinking

[jaunty stream]

for stronger mechs

[mighty zenith]

but yharon has a decade long cooldown

[jaunty stream]

like im just saying

[mighty zenith]

also we DO kill him just not permamently

[eager bluff]

yharon you dont technically kill his respawn time is just literally a decade

[jaunty stream]

YALL do

i dont

im innocent

[mighty zenith]

its ok he's done worse things

[pulsar ocean]

soul not dead

[dusk laurel]

they arent even meatballs anymore

[split mortar]

Maybe but draedon doesnt want to go down the avenue of stronger mechs atm

[plucky lichen]

And when you think of brimmy waking up in a rage all of a sudden it does feel strange, and it’s indicated that someone triggered this

[eager bluff]

yeah yharon is like unapologetically one of the worst people in calamity

[jaunty stream]

then what IS he doing after exo?

[split mortar]

True

[mighty zenith]

considering he called the exo mechs his magnum opus

i think that would take him a while

[eager bluff]

kill him you would be doing a great service to the rest of the world

[jaunty stream]

yharon or yharim

im getting confused

[split mortar]

As i said earlier
Looking for a way to wirelesly teleport long distances (like to the moon levels of far away)

[mighty zenith]

both

[manic coral]

both

[jaunty stream]

isnt yharon the bird

and yharim the dude

[mighty zenith]

yharon is the dragon, yharim is the guy

[jaunty stream]

..

[mighty zenith]

both are fucking horrible people

[jaunty stream]

YHARON IS EVIL?!?!?!

[eager bluff]

yes

[jaunty stream]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[plucky lichen]

But also azafure was yharims ally, so I don’t see any benefit in blowing it up, especially since the crusade was still on during the time

[dusk laurel]

yah

[mighty zenith]

yeah?

[jaunty stream]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I WONT BELIEVE IT

THIS IS LIVES

[manic coral]

...yeah???????????

[jaunty stream]

LIES

[mighty zenith]

he's been supporting yharim for a century

[manic coral]

of course he is????

[eager bluff]

yharon is like. the reason yharim is like that

[jaunty stream]

YHARN ISNT EVIL

HES MISUNDERSTOOD!!

[plucky lichen]

Yharon literally motivated yharim to kill everyone lmao

[eager bluff]

no the fuck he is not

[plucky lichen]

He’s like gigahitler 2

[wanton pendant]

Yharon is super racist.

[mighty zenith]

everyone else left except him because he's completely okay with all the attrocities

[jaunty stream]

Hes a fucking dragon HOW

[mighty zenith]

yharon is a bastard

[split mortar]

Yharon encouraged yharim through the entire crusade including when yharim groomed a minor into nuking italy

[wanton pendant]

Yharon is Hitler jr.

[manic coral]

yeah yharon is pretty baltantly like gigahitler and yharim is gigahitler 2

[split mortar]

Telepathic dragon

[mighty zenith]

a dragon as smart as a person

[plucky lichen]

He’s sentient lol?

[mighty zenith]

if not smarter

[jaunty stream]

yharim actually did that?

[split mortar]

Sapient

[plucky lichen]

Yeah that

[manic coral]

yeah the auric dragons were sapient beings too

[mighty zenith]

yeah thats calamitas

[split mortar]

Yes scal was a minor when she was being manipulated by yharim

[jaunty stream]

so yharim made his mind up
thanks to a DRAOGN

[plucky lichen]

Lainey if she grew a brain would go crazy guys

[jaunty stream]

yharim is a groomer?!

[eager bluff]

yharon sure justified crashout for hating gods they kinda sorta killed your entire race but he took it to global genocide scale thats like several times larger than anything that happened to him

[wanton pendant]

He's not exactly in a strong mind.

[mighty zenith]

groom doesnt mean just sexually fyi

[wanton pendant]

Yes. Turned a kid into a child soldier.

[jaunty stream]

still

[eager bluff]

yharim is evil but hes not a child predator

[jaunty stream]

isnt that like
evil

[split mortar]

Yes!

[dusk laurel]

yes

[eager bluff]

yes!

[manic coral]

.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[mighty zenith]

gee i fucking wonder

[jaunty stream]

okay good

[split mortar]

Thats the point!

[manic coral]

yes.

[plucky lichen]

Yharim likes bees guys that makes him my cutesy babygirl

[dusk laurel]

yharim is evil 😭

no discussion

[jaunty stream]

so..

[light linden]

hiya cei

[wanton pendant]

Cinema.

[manic coral]

yharim and yharon being the two big evil people is so blatant you have to actively go out of your way to avoid learning information i'd argue

[split mortar]

Theres a reason people call yharim shiny golden super hitler

[manic coral]

[wheat walrus]

what the fuck is that

[jaunty stream]

why did yharon make yharim evil

[mighty zenith]

love it when everyone in chat shares the same brain cell for a second

[jaunty stream]

or does yharon just wanan see shit burn

[mighty zenith]

also wtf why are there like 10 people here now

[eager bluff]

because yharon is a bitter motherfucker

[wanton pendant]

He probably didn't think that would happen, but he's cool with it.

[jaunty stream]

fuck you yharon

[pulsar ocean]

what if yharim is influencing the dev team to delay sso so we cant fight him for longer

[split mortar]

Hates the gods and they echo chambered into the absolute if kill them all

[real glen]

Because of boio' questions

[wheat walrus]

:3

[young socket]

automod!

[jaunty stream]

thinking EPICLY

[dusk laurel]

biggest lore discussion activity spike since overdone started arguing with air

[wheat walrus]

this reminds me

[jaunty stream]

what about brimstone elemant

[eager bluff]

its been triggered like 12 times already today

[jaunty stream]

element

[manic coral]

yharon hating what happened to his people is totally justified. if the killing was kept to only dieities, maybe woul could argue he's morally grey.

[jaunty stream]

the gooned of calamity

[hybrid barn]

I feel like every time I look at Lore-Discussion, there's another person making a reference to Hitler specifically

[young socket]

hilarious

[manic coral]

the thing is he and yahrim also took it too like

normal people

and civilian

[young socket]

i havent been checking this channel today due to

yea

[mighty zenith]

good lord theres been like 5 sus messages in the last half hour

[jaunty stream]

yharim hates everyone

[mighty zenith]

from this channel alone

[jaunty stream]

thats my idea

[young socket]

🔥

[manic coral]

and systematically purged anybody who wasn't firmly with yharim

[wanton pendant]

Sorry, we're talking about John Fascism again.

[dusk laurel]

not really its just that he makes lots of enemies

[pulsar ocean]

did they slaughter people for fun or gods get stronger with more followers they have

[split mortar]

@jaunty stream

[jaunty stream]

oh ok

[manic coral]

they thoughts it was just

[split mortar]

Weong message

[split mortar]

This

[eager bluff]

the crashout was justified but he took it way too far

[manic coral]

exactly

[jaunty stream]

what about uh

uhm

uh..

what other bosses

[icy veldt]

Nah, dragons deserved it

[jaunty stream]

i cant remember

[dusk laurel]

can we boil avitus

[jaunty stream]

wiat

if yharim is so bad

[wanton pendant]

Aye.

[jaunty stream]

why cant xeroc just solo him

[light linden]

cei can I ask a question please?

[dusk laurel]

xeroc doesnt really care

[wanton pendant]

Busy or something.

[dusk laurel]

hes busy

[pulsar ocean]

xeroc doesnt give a shit about anything thats not a cosmic threat

[manic coral]

no because i've told you that if you want to ask me a question jsut ask me a question

[jaunty stream]

busy with WHAT???

[manic coral]

[wanton pendant]

Even gods pay taxes.

[jaunty stream]

am i gay

[light linden]

[mighty zenith]

bingo

[split mortar]

Xeroc is probably busy with noxus or some off world shit thats more important
And probably against directly interfering with the world

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[manic coral]

and if you keep asking me if you want to ask m a question instead of actually asking me the question

[jaunty stream]

xeroc does tax evasion.

[wheat walrus]

cei can i answer a question

[manic coral]

i'm jsut gonna consider that your question and tell you no

[light linden]

it's force of habit I'm sorry

[pulsar ocean]

did yharim implode people for fun

[manic coral]

we've been over this like three times

[mighty zenith]

genie rules

[jaunty stream]

wait is all of this happening on 1 world??

[eager bluff]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Terraria.

[split mortar]

Yeah and its called terraria

[real glen]

One island, which is Terraria

[eager bluff]

other planets do not matter outside of specifically martian invasion and even then they dont matter either

[wanton pendant]

Not at all.

[mighty zenith]

the planet is terraria

[jaunty stream]

.

[mighty zenith]

the continent is whatever your world name is

[jaunty stream]

so i download a planet

[mighty zenith]

or heartlands for default

[manic coral]

which is where the entire game takes place

[jaunty stream]

yharim is taking over a planet named GOON PARADISE?! 😭

[mighty zenith]

💔

[pulsar ocean]

does neo metal sonic solo xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Continent.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[dusk laurel]

💔 💔 💔

[jaunty stream]

still

[mighty zenith]

probably

[split mortar]

The world name is for the continent not world we play on

[eager bluff]

not island its a continent and there are other continents too they also had the crusade but yharim was being murderific mostly in the heartlands

[jaunty stream]

so..

whos stronger

yharim or one frame man?

[wanton pendant]

Neo Metal Sonic is horrifically powerful.

[wheat walrus]

i will rend you ashes

[split mortar]

Xeroc
Fovos
Noxus
Yharim
Jared
Scal/exos

top to bottom power list for ya

[icy veldt]

Yharim took over pretty much the entire planet (which is named Terraria). The continent (which has the player-given world name, but here is usually referred to as the Heartlands) was the most devastated by Yharim's war

[icy veldt]

Dangit, you beat me to it!

[plucky lichen]

Ski buddy toy let 🔛🔝

[jaunty stream]

whos jard and fovos?

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Wyrm and Moon Lord.

[mighty zenith]

lobotomizes you

[real glen]

fovos is moonlord

[jaunty stream]

.

[split mortar]

Jared is primordial wyrm and fovos is another name for moonlord

[light linden]

I thought Zeratros was higher than Jared?

[plucky lichen]

:3

[jaunty stream]

fovos is such an ASS name 🥀 🥀

[dusk laurel]

yes

[split mortar]

Zeratros ties with yharim iirc
Just didnt wanna say em

[wanton pendant]

It's all Greek to me.

[split mortar]

Its dread in greek ir something

[dusk laurel]

jared is gonna get moved a bit earlier so yeah

[wanton pendant]

Fear.

[jaunty stream]

so why did daedron try to clone calamtis

[split mortar]

Ah ok

[mighty zenith]

its pretty cool gordon

[split mortar]

She strong

[icy veldt]

Modern Greek, specifically. The transliteration from Ancient Greek would be Phobos

[wanton pendant]

Needed a new forge.

[wheat walrus]

i can agree w fovos not being allat of a name

[jaunty stream]

fuck youre right

[real glen]

Waiter! Waiter! More Additional Names please!

[split mortar]

Ok you get bulan

[jaunty stream]

when i think about a moonlord i dont think about a name as FOVOS

[thick slate]

fovos finted

[jaunty stream]

why not fucking... Monolith

[wheat walrus]

jared is js a shitpost name

[split mortar]

Wait isnt noxus ancient greek for night or something

[jaunty stream]

or smth

[wanton pendant]

From Phobos, the God of Fear in Greek mythology.

[dusk laurel]

monolith

[wheat walrus]

latin iirc

[wanton pendant]

Makes no sense.

[split mortar]

O ok

[jaunty stream]

to me it does

[wanton pendant]

He has nothing to do with monoliths.

[jaunty stream]

WAIT

[dusk laurel]

moon lord's not just big it did other things 😭

[jaunty stream]

WALL OF FLESH

WHATS HIS LORE

is he just a wall of flesh

[wanton pendant]

God cuboid.

[split mortar]

Moonlord causes migrains and pain with their mere presence fear fits more then monolith

[wanton pendant]

They put the gods in the flesh.

[jaunty stream]

like.. give gods a like

[split mortar]

The first method yharim used to contain god essence also made of sacrificed people or something iirc

[jaunty stream]

body

[wanton pendant]

They killed them and put them in the flesh.

[jaunty stream]

oh
so why is guide linked to it

[mighty zenith]

more like a cage

[wanton pendant]

They put his wife in the flesh.

[split mortar]

Wait really

[jaunty stream]

yharim had a wife

and he killed her

wow

[split mortar]

Thought it was collegues

[jaunty stream]

so

[wanton pendant]

I miss my wife, Melon, I miss her a lot.

[jaunty stream]

why is guide linked to wof?

is guide like

apart of yharim

i mean like

[wanton pendant]

No.

[jaunty stream]

one of yharim's people

[split mortar]

You never had a wife you dont got the vibes

[manic coral]

the communtiy co-opted it

not us

[wanton pendant]

Screw you!

[jaunty stream]

this community is SO buns 🥀

[split mortar]

Give moonlord more names!

[mighty zenith]

i have rough news buddy

[manic coral]

you guys are the ones who started using it

[jaunty stream]

you COULDVE STOPPED US??

[split mortar]

Ok calling em bulan as well now

[jaunty stream]

i think..i think thats all my main questions

[wheat walrus]

erm no it was ozzatron who told us to 😭

[jaunty stream]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

is the acid biome cus of nukes

[split mortar]

Partially

[wanton pendant]

Smog and nuclear waste.

[split mortar]

Azafure made it acidic
Draedon dumped a mcfuckjillion amount of nuclear stuff there

[wanton pendant]

Not nuclear bombs.

[dusk laurel]

nuclear waste

[jaunty stream]

oh.

[dusk laurel]

it didnt get nuked

[jaunty stream]

WELP

thats all my questions answered

thank you chat for being here for me when i couldve just red the document

[wanton pendant]

Get the teeth man.

[split mortar]

Np

[jaunty stream]

now im going to beg my team to get on to play calamity

[wanton pendant]

Collect his teeth.

[jaunty stream]

cya chat

have a good day/night

[jaunty stream]

no

my teeth is mine

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[jaunty stream]

runs

[wanton pendant]

Teeth man available now.

[dusk laurel]

wraith im gonna mince you :/

[wheat walrus]

this is the origin of us using Fovos ("pml" is in reference to prime moonlord, it's also why there was all the confusion about Fovos being only Moonlord at its prime or not)

[wanton pendant]

Solution: we begin calling Moon Lord Dread instead.

[wheat walrus]

Solution: go back in time to take Fovos off the Ozza

[split mortar]

Insert image of rebecca saying it was not only prime ml for fovos

[wheat walrus]

i literally addressed it

[split mortar]

Idc

[dusk laurel]

i always call it ml so this is @split mortar and @wanton pendant's fault

[wanton pendant]

Hey, I just got here!

[dusk laurel]

2025.7.19

[split mortar]

P sure i use ml fovos and moonlord interchangeably

[dusk laurel]

moon lord is a cool name and the cal lore for it is p cool and then theres the fuckass sprite

[split mortar]

Squid person with oversized head

[dusk laurel]

cthulhu but vortex pillar

[wheat walrus]

to remind myself
#lore-discussion message ozza revealing moonlord's name and telling us to use it to refer to prime moonlord instead of calling it pml
#lore-discussion message reb's statement on fovos being moonlord's name period, rather than just referring to the entity in a former state

[split mortar]

Reign of yharim please give us a good design for fovos

[wheat walrus]

melon acting clueless

[split mortar]

I will throw you

[dusk laurel]

melon gun acting innocent

[split mortar]

What did i do

[dusk laurel]

anyways i kinda fw ml being sort of humanoid the problem is that its just space cthulhu and thats kinda boring

[wheat walrus]

enbro think we gonna fall fo that 🤣✌️

[wanton pendant]

???

[dusk laurel]

thats your join date...

[wanton pendant]

Clearly Calamity also has to resprite all the vanilla bosses.
...does anyone hear artists screaming in the distance?

[wanton pendant]

I joined on the 20th.

[dusk laurel]

it says the 19th :/

[wanton pendant]

It says 20th for me.

[split mortar]

Timezone moment i think

[dusk laurel]

you might want to get your ears checked

[real glen]

got damn i was here for like almost 6 years

i feel so old

[abstract hollow]

yo for the lore people

whose the weird light guy.

in boss rush

[balmy glacier]

xeroc

well the eye thing in the background is his sigil

[abstract hollow]

ohhhh so its not him

is he gonna be a boss?

[pulsar ocean]

IF calamity devs feel like it he'll be one of the 2 superbosses post yharim

[balmy glacier]

probably will
but adding post exo mech and scal content is currently the lowest priority right now

yharim will be added to the mod 100%

[wanton pendant]

Behold, the power of the first god!

[balmy glacier]

adding noxus and xeroc is only the matter of whether devs want to work on the mod afterwards

[pulsar ocean]

can you solo xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[spice pawn]

Y'all think azafure had a Walmart

[long bloom]

there's nothing called azathoth in calamity

[wheat walrus]

@visual kiln did you

[spice pawn]

Mb

Azafure

[wheat walrus]

😔

[long bloom]

yeah probably

[wanton pendant]

Everyone knows Fantasy Wal-Mart is in Fantasy USA.

[visual kiln]

yes

[wheat walrus]

peam

[spice pawn]

Which of the Crags enemies used to live in Azafure btw

[wanton pendant]

If I recall a few of them are basically zombies, some are living rocks from pre-incineration magic use and one of the enemies are actually Calamitas' attacks still wandering. I'd have to check the bestiary, one second.

[long bloom]

heat spirits are lost souls

and scryllars too

[spice pawn]

Ok

[young socket]

renegade warlocks too

[spice pawn]

Renegade Raider

[wanton pendant]

Result of Calamitas and Brimstone battle: Calamity Eye, Infernal Congealment.
Made by wizards: Despair Stone.
Former inhabitants: Heat Spirit, Scryllar, Renegade Warlock.
Calamitas attack: Soul Slurper.

[spice pawn]

I'm gonna make her live at my crags pylon to make her feel even more regret

[wanton pendant]

You monster.

[pulsar ocean]

how do we get deus'ses hide if we dont kill it

[wanton pendant]

Same way you lose skin without dying.

[pulsar ocean]

is deuses dead skin that big

[wanton pendant]

He's really big.

[split mortar]

Men

@mighty zenith remove my name

Pls

[mighty zenith]

ok

[pulsar ocean]

Where did Lea channel go

[split mortar]

The spores ran out if brain to eat

[wheat walrus]

we are all vanillin

[robust osprey]

hi

OH MY GOD

[dusk laurel]

why are you the TERRARIAN

[robust osprey]

what makes you say that

[dusk laurel]

WTF

[robust osprey]

I am the original vanillin now

[dusk laurel]

hold on why is your BANNER me

[robust osprey]

I do not have a better banner

also, it's me not you

silly

wait I have a better banner

[wanton pendant]

Which one do I shoot?

[robust osprey]

I am the real one!

[dusk laurel]

No!

[robust osprey]

shoot the other one

[long bloom]

i'm green

[split mortar]

Im the real one

[wanton pendant]

Wait, I figured it out.
I just shoot all of them.
Problem solved.

[robust osprey]

would you really kill me??

you'd be charged for killing 8 people

[long bloom]

11

[robust osprey]

hell

[wanton pendant]

I mean, is it really murder?
You're clearly some kind of squid.

But like, really strong prevalent.

[robust osprey]

no I'm

vanilla

[icy veldt]

Both

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying!

[hoary cape]

there is an imposter, but the only way to deal with such a problem is to obliterate both

sorry vanilla and imposter vanilla's

[civic bramble]

Why is there two vanillin??

Why is everyone vanillin

[frosty charm]

Kill every vanillin

[civic bramble]

Should I join the vanillin army?

What do yall say

[frosty charm]

Ok guys should I finish my omega ruby playthrough or do the post game of pokemon x because I have both but idk which ones to finish

[thick slate]

no

[frosty charm]

#fakefriends

[civic bramble]

Haii Taylor how are you?

[civic bramble]

Omega ruby

[thick slate]

just got off work

[civic bramble]

What you Do for work?

[thick slate]

set up concerts

aka crewing

[civic bramble]

Ooo sick

[thick slate]

yea i'm awesome

[civic bramble]

Hai awesome I am DS

And I am a bit silly

https://tenor.com/view/madeline-celeste-madeline-celeste-squish-crouch-gif-21797767

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-scott-the-woz-ikea-waffle-iron-genius-waffle-iron-gif-22093637

[abstract carbon]

Oh how i love celeste

[civic bramble]

Mhm Celeste is peam game

[abstract carbon]

Very

[abstract carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/true-get-this-person-a-true-get-this-man-a-true-get-this-man-a-suit-person-gif-17541892201890443774

[civic bramble]

Mhm someone it gifted it on steam (I have it on gamepass) I have already completed all b sides except for core and chap 7 while getting the game in Friday

[abstract carbon]

I cant beat normal core tbh lol

[civic bramble]

Oh.

Core B side is one of the worst things I have laid my eyes upon

I hate that one

[abstract carbon]

I heard there where C sides

[civic bramble]

Mhm

I have done 3 of them on my game pass file not on my current one

[abstract carbon]

Wow

[civic bramble]

They are not all that bad however if u want to keep talking about Celeste I would divert your attention to general

As this is lore channel

[abstract carbon]

Good call

[civic bramble]

What’s something yall want more lore for

[thick slate]

You

[hybrid barn]

I don't know why it is specifically, but the idea that taxes exist in Calamity lore is really funny to me

[civic bramble]

Oh me? Well I am sorry it is all bad.

[thick slate]

what

[wanton pendant]

The Tax Collector collects taxes? What a twist!

[civic bramble]

If you wanna know my lore there is nothing good there

[thick slate]

edgy ahh

by You i meant the terrarian

[light linden]

from a practical point of view taxes are required for most civilizations

and we come across the ruins of 4

[pseudo roost]

something weird i noticed about queen slimes lore item

yharim seems awfully unimpressed despite her being the new host of the slime god who you actually kill this time

while he glazes the hell out of you after killing providence

and granted im pretty sure providence is more powerful than the slime god just a hunch

but according to the lore doc slime god DOES have an auric soul youd think he would be more impressed by your first auric god kill even if its such a weak one

[light linden]

that'll change likely soon

if slime god replaces cal clone in progression queen slime's lore will be changed to them being a rogue paladin

iirc

[pseudo roost]

fascinating

does that mean the slime god gets to escape and never die again thatd be hilarious

[young socket]

he praises your strength in the providence whisper, while in the queen slime one, hes encouraging to keep killing gods

[pseudo roost]

yeah i dont think he should be AS impressed by you killing the blob as he is by you killing the unmatched power of the sun i just find it odd that he makes no mention of it being the first god you kill

[light linden]

also fun fact

most auric dragons were around plantera power level

so slime god is already exceptionally weak

and isn't much better when queen slime

[pseudo roost]

is yharon on fucking crack then

[frosty charm]

yharon is second to zeratos (strongest dragon) so yea

[light linden]

eh

iirc it's possible death or life were as strong as him

[frosty charm]

they arent alive now are they

[light linden]

yharon's strong normally but there's also another thing

can you imagine how good you could get at fighting if you can't stay dead?

hell if you can't age?

[pseudo roost]

they did that in touhou which is where i source all my information from so i know the concept, i mostly meant his sheer tankiness

[light linden]

it is incredibly likely he's one of the best trained dragons and fighters in the mod

[light linden]

I mean

he canonically dies mid fight

his second phase is him forcibly starting his next life

[frosty charm]

where's that stated

[young socket]

bestiary literally confirms hes the second strongest auric dragon

[pseudo roost]

-# they also did this in touhou

still though my point stands hes got a lotta health in both phases

although come to think of it my point is just "this yharon guy is pretty strong amirite" so idk what im even arguing nevermind

[light linden]

I can't give a direct source this moment, I'm busy and I'd have to look literally a year back

[young socket]

its from a reb quote saying howd she justify the return of yharon revive iirc

[light linden]

tbf he's also very very large

and is seemingly resistant to extreme temperatures

[frosty charm]

i mean yeah

[pseudo roost]

one of them at least

[frosty charm]

kinda comes with breathing fire

[cosmic zenith]

What

I'm pretty sure that's incorrect

[light linden]

stip I believe you told me that

gimme a sec

[cosmic zenith]

Me??

[spare pier]

No We Did

Uh

[frosty charm]

no I did

[spare pier]

We Say That Because It's Stated Wyrms Reflect The Average Power Level Of Dragons

We Think Wyrms Can Be Reasonably Put At Around Plantera's Power Level

[frosty charm]

Why Are You Capitalizing Each Word

[cosmic zenith]

Wyrms are definitely not Plantera level lmao

[light linden]

then how strong are they?

[cosmic zenith]

I personally would compare them to Dragonfolly level

[spare pier]

Stat-wise No But Either Way We're Probably Gonna Have To Revise That Statement If Not Outright Retcon It

[frosty charm]

around cultist—yharon

it seems to vary a ton

[cosmic zenith]

And I'm still a bit skeptical of this tiering

[spare pier]

Or Else, Oops!

The Average Auric Dragon Is Almost As Powerful As A Top 10 God!

[frosty charm]

i imagine the yung god species would be around as strong as a god

[pseudo roost]

i was gonna disapprove of capitalizing every word but with that nickname i gotta give you a pass

[cosmic zenith]

Auric Dragons should be, by all means, pretty fucking strong
Tbf Dragonfolly is probably gonna be moved, which would make the offshoot bar a lot lower

[light linden]

I

I've gotta go to the terraria discord and go tell them I was wrong ig

[cosmic zenith]

I think the main takeaway from this is that a lot of bosses would be shuffled around if Calamity was redone

[pseudo roost]

tbf it would make sense that auric dragons are stronger than the gods that absorb their souls since thats gonna dilute the power a bit

[frosty charm]

dragonfolly is actually the strongest cal creature

[cosmic zenith]

The current structure inherently creates some inconsistencies or at least minor "huh" moments

[frosty charm]

they have to hold back so xeroc doesnt feel too bad about themselves

[spare pier]

Ok But Not That Strong

Otherwise It Just Makes Providence Feel Weak Comparatively

[frosty charm]

i mean

[cosmic zenith]

Not quite because Gods have a lot more training on average

[frosty charm]

provi killed the dragon by jumping them with three other people

[cosmic zenith]

That's one of the issues
Conceptually, Providence should be higher in progression

[spare pier]

"Here's one of the strongest Gods who have ever lived and who literally enslaved people to become as strong as possible"

"Anyways 2 seconds earlier you can fight the guy who's just the average Auric Dragon lmao"

[cosmic zenith]

Or, more predominantly, Folly should be much lower

[spare pier]

Not Really

[frosty charm]

heartwarming: dragonfolly moves themselves down in strength so providence can feel better about herself

[spare pier]

Even Accounting Every Character We Know Of, Providence Just Barely Escapes The Top 10

[cosmic zenith]

Providence definitely shouldn't be on par with Distortion strays and Polterghast

Though she'd definitely remain below DoG for obvious reasons

[pseudo roost]

big blob of angry souls > personally selected top servants of the devourer of gods

[dusk laurel]

dog doesnt have servants anymore btw

[hybrid barn]

That's pretty old news, to be fair

[pseudo roost]

how long was i out for

[hybrid barn]

Signus is still significant, but Storm Weaver and Ceaseless Void aren't as much

[spare pier]

Xeroc
Moon Lord
Noxus
Yharim
Zeratros
Calamitas
Draedon
Silva(?)
Yharon
Primordial Wyrm
Shakidou
DoG
Old Duke

These Are The Only Characters Who Are Definitively Stronger Than Providence

[cosmic zenith]

Dragonfolly's retier actually makes this whole thing work a lot better because we're no longer comparing Auric Dragons to their canonically weaker offspring

[frosty charm]

noxus and old duke sneak

[spare pier]

Fuck You Mean Noxus Sneak

[young socket]

2 years

soon to be 3

[frosty charm]

name one thing they've done

potential hivemind

[pseudo roost]

ok that legitimately adds up then

[frosty charm]

featless bum

[spare pier]

Also OD Is Stronger Than Polter So

Yeah

[cosmic zenith]

It's basically Sentinels and Polter

[spare pier]

I Also Think This Is Just Downplaying Polter

[eager bluff]

in concept provi feels like she should be one of the strongest things in the mod

[cosmic zenith]

I wrote the reason why Polter is as high in progression as it is
I still feel like it shouldn't be more powerful than one of the most powerful Gods ever

[frosty charm]

i mean they are it's just not shown well with the rewrites

[spare pier]

Polter Is Literally Thousands Of Warriors, Likely Dozens Of Godseeker Knights, And Likely Tens Of Thousands Of Stray Souls Who Piled Up In The Dungeon. It Is The Single Most Powerful Spectral Manifestation Of All Time

[dusk laurel]

cv is an extremely stable portal theorized to have been made by the same being that dog is subservient to (noxus)
storm weaver is an unrelated distortion creature that might have some relations to dog due to how dog treats it
and signus is a similar type of being to noxus that has mingled with terraria

[eager bluff]

no she like objectively isnt

[frosty charm]

idk man did you see embers

also like there's a hundred canonically weaker glup shittos in higher progression tiers because of f*bsolian boss design

[spare pier]

I Think If You Are Comfortably Within The 30 Most Powerful Entities In The Entire Universe (And A Bit Out Of It Too), You Are Actually One Of The Most Powerful Beings In The World

[eager bluff]

there are 9 bosses plus jared above her in progression you cannot fabsolian boss design your way out of her being barely post moon lord in progression

[frosty charm]

dragonfolly being in the exact same tier despite canonically being much much weaker

the sentinels too

dog, yharon, exos and scal all make sense to be stronger than her

[pseudo roost]

man i gotta read the entire lore doc i didnt think THIS much would be different

im aware of the general rewrite but i thought that was pretty much just yharim

[frosty charm]

dog eats gods and scissors beats paper
yharon is the second strongest dragon ever and has been around for a while
exos gifted power
scal pure effort

[spare pier]

The Problem Is That None Of These Bosses Have Narrative Weight