lore-discussion

[abstract hedge]

Also does he really? I don't play 40k but I swear custodians look way different from Yharim.

[light linden]

no?

[plucky juniper]

i see the resemblance

[wanton pendant]

I don't, except very surface level details like colour scheme.

[zenith geode]

gold and red are pretty common colours

yharim's got blue too

[abstract hedge]

Where though? I don't see anything similar with Yharim's armor.

[wanton pendant]

Is this a Yharim?

[plucky juniper]

its in broad strokes

its not exact, of course not, but it does seem similar somewhat, what with the giant red lock of hair on top of golden armor

[wheat walrus]

@split mortar not even your backreads are safe from this shit

[zenith geode]

yeah plumage is decently common on ceremonial armour

[abstract hedge]

That's not that crazy of a design, there's gonna be a lot of things that looks like that.

It's just plumage of a specific color on armor of a specific color.

[plucky juniper]

i dont think thats a point against the fact that these armors look vaguely similar

just because other armors happen to look similar, doesnt mean you can discount the similar look of armors from unrelated media

[zenith geode]

also isnt yharims a bit more silver and blue thanks to exotech

[plucky juniper]

again its not entirely samey but i see where meltem was coming from

[wanton pendant]

That is very old art. Not the latest concept art, which isn't even the latest design since I hear they're redesigning him again.

[thick slate]

why does he have a plume

[wanton pendant]

Hype moments and aura.

[plucky juniper]

i mean, but for the vast majority of people this is what yharim looks like

[wanton pendant]

That doesn't refute my statement.

[plucky juniper]

and i assume thats what meltem was going off of

byeah he probably isnt gonna look like this

still... peak design

[main tiger]

Hey, would it be wrong for me to try to make a calamity mod boss that pays tribute to DM DOKURO? Referencing one of their songs called "Bacteriophage" but with the motif creating a different theme? 🤔

I am being as serious as possible.

[thick slate]

i dont think they would mind

as long as you credit them n whatever

still kinda just weird tho

why would you make anything calamity related for them

[main tiger]

Well, it won't be the same music, of course.

[thick slate]

oh ic what u mean

its fine ig

[main tiger]

It's just that I try to be as respectful as possible.

Even questioning myself

[thick slate]

so ur making a boss and a song

[main tiger]

I would like to make a phage like an epic calamity boss.

Let it be post-Yharon and pre-Calamitas.

[pliant ruin]

hi im back and im super late but

Being honest i think people do not realize that calamity frankly is not really particularly grimdark

[thick slate]

jus do it

[pliant ruin]

Do you want to know another piece of media that has a world-ending war that almost results in the end of society as we know it and has a figure that is responsible (in a way) for said war, killing thousands/millions?

adventure time

[thick slate]

like half of all media

[wanton pendant]

Hey, Adventure Time is hardcore!

[pliant ruin]

yeah like people really just see calamity Take Itself Seriously and think that's grimdark

[pliant ruin]

no adventure time is great

one of my favorite shows

but i would not call it grimdark

😭

[thick slate]

daring today arent we

[main tiger]

@pliant ruin wdyt?

[wanton pendant]

It's got vampires. Everyone knows vampires means dark and edgy.

[main tiger]

?

[thick slate]

jerma

[cosmic zenith]

It's the opposite, arguably

[wanton pendant]

Calamity doesn't realize people are particularly grimdark...

[cosmic zenith]

One of the defining aspects of grimdark is its inherent hopelessness - no matter what the people within it do, it'll still be a dogshit setting

In Calamity, you should be able to make things at least temporarily better for those around you

[long bloom]

calamity is very hopepilled imo

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah it has some hopepunk elements, though I wouldn't call it a hopepunk setting

[thick slate]

hopeslop grimslop

[hybrid barn]

Hopepunk...that's a new one, I'll admit

[cosmic zenith]

Bad things will happen and people don't necessarily deserve it

[thick slate]

tf is hopepunk

thats like superman

[cosmic zenith]

But people can, together, make the world a less awful place to live in

[abstract hedge]

That just sounds like real life.

[thick slate]

real life is grimdark

[cosmic zenith]

Hopepunk is the opposite setting to grimdark
It opposes grimdark's hopelessness by emphasizing hope, and people's ability to build a better future together through resistance and persistence

The Superman movie is actually reeeally hopepunk lol

[thick slate]

such a funny term tho

[cosmic zenith]

Which ties to the whole "I'm a punk rocker" thing

[hybrid barn]

Y'know, I'll admit I forgot the "punk" in a lot of [ ]punk settings actually means something, because my introduction to that was...well, what else but steampunk?

[main tiger]

Wdyt?

[abstract hedge]

What does wdyt mean?

[hybrid barn]

( . _.) 👍

[abstract hedge]

Also this isn't #suggestions-posting

[hybrid barn]

What do you think, I think

[main tiger]

.

Ouh sorry i am new

[abstract hedge]

Probably not

[thick slate]

BRINEPUNK

brinepunk is so niche my beloved

[hybrid barn]

Also for this, that's actually not what suggestions-posting is for, that's for suggesting additions to the mod

[hybrid barn]

That sounds...interesting actually, what is it?

[thick slate]

brine

[hybrid barn]

Also, is your pfp Angel from Chainsaw Man?

[thick slate]

yep

[hybrid barn]

Sick, that's my favorite character! I hope he doesn't die in a horrible way later

[hybrid barn]

...uh oh

[thick slate]

nobody lives in this fuckass manga

[hybrid barn]

Damn, I should've known better 😔

[wanton pendant]

Not-Dying Man:

[thick slate]

denji

denji got plot armor

he comes back from looking like this every chapter

[wanton pendant]

Don't they say he's functionally immortal?

[thick slate]

yea he is

well his heart is

he isnt

but his heart is pochita

not him

[hybrid barn]

But anyways! Right, the lore
I think I'd say the lore itself does an effective job of being grim, it's kind of just that it's difficult to represent that in Terraria the same way you would in like...I don't know, Bloodborne

Because while you can fix them to some degree, you come into the story too late to stop Ilmeris and Azafure from being razed to the ground, or the gods and dragons from being mostly wiped out, or DoG rising in power-

Hell, by the time you'll get to Yharim (later in development), he'll be mostly retired anyways, so the war is basically already over! All you can do is just...move forward

[thick slate]

also i dont really hate yharim

like personally

hes a really evil guy

but he hasnt really done anything to me

[hybrid barn]

Ehh- fair, since his issue is mostly with gods and their supporters

[thick slate]

and its not like the world is completely fucked by him

[abstract hedge]

Same thing for like, any evil person who has ever existed irl or in calamity.

[thick slate]

no but this is fiction

it doesnt impact as much as real life because

its not real

[hybrid barn]

Not physically, but he did leave the world in a perpetual state of wondering "what if we're next?"

[abstract hedge]

Yharim isn't real, he can't hurt you.

[thick slate]

mainly comparing to like dark souls

where nothing has really been done to you personally

the world is just fucked

so you gotta

[hybrid barn]

Ah yeah, that's fair enough

[thick slate]

i dont feel a necessity to kill yharim

[cosmic zenith]

Yep
I really like how the setting can shift based on your perspective

For example, Ozz has a pretty pessimistic outlook on the world of Calamity, which would lean closer to grimdark; any effort to make things better will only have ephemeral results that won't matter in the long run

My perspective is a bit closer to hopepunk, because while I think it is an unfair and cruel world and positive change might be ephemeral, it's still positive change, and people can rejoice in the moments of bliss they get from it

It's still not full-on hopepunk, I feel like that'd be delusional

[hybrid barn]

Of course, just more of a "eh, at least there's still ground left to build on"

[cosmic zenith]

Pretty much

Of course, the Heartlands are worse off than the rest of the world

Which makes things seem particularly bad

[hybrid barn]

Also completely unrelated, but have this for your loreful troubles

I was just reminded that i had that

[cosmic zenith]

It's funny how I lean closer to hopepunk yet the civilization I practicaly built from the ground up is destroyed completely unfairly and prematurely, with no hope to avoid it or rebuild itself afterwards

[hybrid barn]

But yeah, kinda makes me wonder what's going on around the rest of the world

Are people on other continents still affected by Yharim's reputation in some way?

[cosmic zenith]

I guess it could be argued that that is the essence of hopepunk
The Chrysonai suffered so much, yet they're still there, hanging onto what's left

[cosmic zenith]

Of course

[abstract hedge]

Probably considering the crusade was global.

[cosmic zenith]

Just not all devastated

[hybrid barn]

Was it? I honestly thought it was limited to the Heartlands

[abstract hedge]

It just started there.

[wanton pendant]

That was the heart of it.

Everywhere else is less messed up, but still not in great shape.

[abstract hedge]

It was global, but the evil hell continent was the least affected because y'know, it's an evil hell continent.

[hybrid barn]

iiiiinteresting, that's good to know then!

[wanton pendant]

Economic and societal collapse occurred everywhere, but the massive hoards of zombies are a bit less of a global issue if I remember right.

[cosmic zenith]

I'd wager most cities are recovering from Yharim's domination
Others are having rulership crises due to the ensuing power vacuum
Others simply weren't very affected thanks to generational anti-God policies and a more balanced alliance

[abstract hedge]

Yeah it was said an average knight in the heartlands is just as bad an a blood moon anywhere else I believe.

I wonder if there's any goblin or such deities, cause all we have confirmed are humans, ilmerans, and an elemental.

[wanton pendant]

I have heard that too. That's why it's in that lore document.

[light linden]

hey stip

[cosmic zenith]

Hello

[split mortar]

Lol

[zenith geode]

mmmmmm

oh

bye then ig

[frank dune]

Nvm

Ima think of

Better question

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251322602673410068/1391770187501539468/togif.gif

Fucking hell

I hate this place

[zenith geode]

kitty eye green like watermelon

beautiful image

[frank dune]

/C 255 0 0 question/

Update this year?

[zenith geode]

maybe a small bugfix update if there are any stragglers from 2.0.6

[frank dune]

So

Why we have image perms

But no gif perms

Thus is unbelievable my sire

Whom thought this is fair

🥺

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191249851984388187/1410807966268915795/clickbait.gif

[split mortar]

I had theory that cv sucks in souls and is why souls kinda stuck in dungeon

[split mortar]

They deemed gifs not useful to this channel but deemed images worth staying

[frank dune]

This server is full of geniuses

.gif

[split mortar]

Back then people used images for getting dev statements

[frank dune]

https://tenor.com/view/roland-library-of-ruina-trying-not-to-laugh-project-moon-gif-16271479271811576526

Grrrr

[split mortar]

I genuinely wonder how much automod gets set off by that specifically compared to other stuff

[plucky juniper]

well. that is a link. therefore i can do this

[split mortar]

WHAT THE FUCK

[frank dune]

No messages 6 mins

Dead chat

🍃

[pulsar ocean]

Dead server

[frank dune]

Not like i check other channels always

Just like an Archived

Only sitting in suggestions and ragebaiting ppl

Yet there

I dont even know

[frosty charm]

has yharim dealt with yharon dying before or not (like pre lava bath)

[split mortar]

After the lava bath is the first time they met afaik
We have no confirmation yharon died in crusade and id doubt yharim would let yharon do anything that risks such

[frank dune]

Eat the soul?

Do auric souls have the taste actually?

[split mortar]

We dunno what the auric souls or normal souls taste like
Id guess it changes on domain

[frank dune]

Do they despawn

Actually nvm i forgor corruption and crimson exists

Does amidas taste like seafood

🥺

[hushed jasper]

yeah probably

[pulsar ocean]

I guess it’s almost like how bosses would taste

[frank dune]

Did you call?

[pulsar ocean]

No

[frank dune]

🖕

[thick slate]

im a #boss

[frank dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218782898728206349/1428180061835497573/attachment.gif

Sighhh

Cant even add reactions

Ts so ass

[split mortar]

Thats always been the case

[feral skiff]

this is like omega-flowey level eldritch horror

what have you done

[balmy glacier]

i think someone named overdone made it
ennway did the animation

[frank dune]

I am speechless

[balmy glacier]

[frank dune]

Most wholesome thing ive seen all day

[crude musk]

Can auric dragons ascend off other auric souls

[split mortar]

Theoretically maybe but never happened

[pulsar ocean]

Can you eat world souls like auric ones

[split mortar]

World soul is prob just too big for anyone to cosnume
But
If you did somehow di that

You would prob be the closest you can be to

God

In calamity

[timber nexus]

what am i even looking at

[crude musk]

Can any creature with a soul ascend off auric souls with the proper ritual?

Nothing seems to be denying that

[dusk laurel]

you have to be something that can comprehend and do the ritual with a soul

[crude musk]

What happens if a dragon eats a human soul?

It's the same mixture

[split mortar]

Since the person ascending is less fucked over then the dragon thats used maybe if you reverse the roles the dragon doesnt get changed much and stays auric but the human fucking dies
Just a guess tho

Also completely reasonable that they become a god yeah

[upper warren]

If someone absorbed an entire world soul and survived, how powerful would they be? Like multi continental? Maybe even planetary?

[split mortar]

We dont know

[pulsar ocean]

Id solo

right melongun

[split mortar]

The primordial light fragment is already absurd (look at embers) so the whole world soul
Idfk what that could entail

[real silo]

Planet level surely

You control every single aspect of everything living or not on the planet

You can conjure a giant hand made of concrete and high five the moon

[frank dune]

Could goku solo calamity universe?

[real silo]

You can turn the ocean's waters into a titanic cloud

You could split off part of the planet and form a new moon

[pulsar ocean]

Idk if you knew this but bulma solos calamity

[frank dune]

Bulma?

Who

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251322602673410068/1391770187501539468/togif.gif

[split mortar]

Vagetas wife

[pulsar ocean]

Why are we asking dbz questions without watching the show

[frank dune]

Do i have to download each gif if i want to send it

Pmo

[frank dune]

Goku is popular

Do i look like the anime fan?

[pulsar ocean]

Yes

[frank dune]

😔

Is that cuz freaky osaka pfp?

[pulsar ocean]

Yes

[frank dune]

I am gotta

I am gotta

Uhhhhh

Freaky

👅

[crude musk]

If silva is against yharim and her blessings can buff creatures to absurd power levels why didn't she bless more creatures

Are the god blessings ever really explained

[split mortar]

Shrimple, theres a limit to how many you can bless

[crude musk]

Providence can bless one bajillion profaned energies

[split mortar]

And they are piss weak

Wait are they even blessed

[crude musk]

Are blessings the same thing that powers the profaned guardians?

[split mortar]

I should refresh myself on how calamity handles blessings from these gods

When i get out of coleg

[crude musk]

Okay thank you

[frank dune]

Blessings?

[crude musk]

The first Wyrm, blessed by the Goddess of Life, held staggering power that surpassed nearly all of its auric brethren.

Jared bestiary

Also braelor was apparently blessed

[split mortar]

Yuh

[wanton pendant]

Obviously, the strength is unrelated. Silva blessings just mean you lose the gene that makes that one herb taste like soap.

[stoic gulch]

I loved when Silva Silvad all over the abyss

[split mortar]

Cilantro

[frank dune]

will calamity have voice acting?

[fallen kindle]

probably not

[split mortar]

Very unlikely due to that costing money

[mental palm]

And what about volunteers?

[split mortar]

Dont think calamity has any

[feral skiff]

i think the devourer of gods shouting "A GOD DOES NOT FEAR DEATH" would distract me enough to go straight into the projectiles

[mental palm]

That would have been too good to be true.

[wanton pendant]

I'm good, but I'm not THAT good!
And I like obtaining currency.

[crude musk]

What if polterghast ascended

Would anything meaningfully change

[zenith geode]

considering its already barely stable i dont think shoving in something as unstable as an auric soul would let it live

well

"live"

hell it couldnt even ascend because its barely sentient

[wanton pendant]

Auric Souls are indicated to be much more stable than Godly Souls... But you're still just putting a soul onto the soul pile, so it's just another soul for the soul pile.

So basically it probably just makes it bigger.

[split mortar]

The soul breaks into god essence so uh
You got a tornado of angry souls and god disease spreading wherever it goes

[split mortar]

Re read that

[wanton pendant]

No idea what you're talking about.

[crude musk]

That sounds fun

[hearty spire]

is noxus canon in the official lore or is it just a removed character in wotg

[split mortar]

Noxus is canon in calamity but not in the way wotg did it since that was based on old now outdated plans iirc

[hearty spire]

so noxus is canon

[split mortar]

Yes

[hearty spire]

you didn't really have to tell me about the wotg part

wotg isn't canon anyways

[split mortar]

There have been so many people who assume wotg noxus is canon after i tell them that

[hearty spire]

they're dumbasses then

[split mortar]

The internet is not known for
Reading comprehension

[hearty spire]

anyways im gonna go sleep

[split mortar]

Cya

[crude musk]

terraria nexus fight

[fleet wedge]

What about Patreon donations

[fleet wedge]

Scarlet Nexus crossover

[split mortar]

Hence why unlikely and not impossible

[wanton pendant]

It costs four hundred thousand dollars to voice Draedon.
For twelve seconds.

[pulsar ocean]

Does yharim feed off the Patreon donations in the aerie

[fleet wedge]

Yeah I remember this one

[wanton pendant]

I think he eats dragonfruit.

[pulsar ocean]

What if the real reason yharim dipped to the aerie was to escape the IRS

[wanton pendant]

He functionally ruled the world.
The IRS worked for him.
That's why we must kill him.

To stop the IRS.

[split mortar]

He cannot escape the xeroc tax

[pulsar ocean]

Even the joker is afraid of the IRS

[pulsar ocean]

Did he forget to pay for his printers 🤣 🤣 😂 🪬 🪬 🧿 🐎

[fleet wedge]

"YOU INSIGNIFICANT F#CK! " Draedon, probably

[pulsar ocean]

You almost got it

[split mortar]

@zenith geode azzy dms

[visual kiln]

summons u

[visual kiln]

INTO THE LEAVERSE

BUNNY PFP

[pulsar ocean]

Are all water wraiths british

[wanton pendant]

No.
Source: I'm not British.

[pulsar ocean]

Keep telling yourself that

[wanton pendant]

???

[fleet wedge]

That's an eevee

[visual kiln]

oh

[pulsar ocean]

If yharon got absorbed would yharim get unworthy and get fried in his own armor

[split mortar]

Most likely

Auric springtrap

[pulsar ocean]

Would xeroc implode if yharim made an auric hand grenade and threw it at him

[wanton pendant]

No.

[split mortar]

Xeroc tanks it

[pulsar ocean]

How much auric hand grenades would it take

[wanton pendant]

Like, a lot.

[pulsar ocean]

Would xeroc tank an auric nuclear bomb

[split mortar]

Dont see why auric would make the nuke stronger so yeah prob

[pulsar ocean]

Auric radiation

Duh

[split mortar]

Aurism

[pulsar ocean]

can dog teleport yharim’s armorset onto xeroc’s body so he gets auric springlocked

[split mortar]

Dog uses portals so thats more likely to just cut xeroc in half

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn’t he do that with everyone

[split mortar]

Hard to do precisely i imagine

[abstract hedge]

Xeroc could probably just break the auric armor if it somehow got placed on him.

[long bloom]

they won't be able to break the terrarian's auric armor in gameplay

because obviously

[abstract hedge]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Applies armour broken debuff on hit coming soon

[long bloom]

[abstract hedge]

If some got on them they definitely would be fine though cause they're the strongest being we know of, assuming it could even fit on them.

[spare pier]

I wonder just how many absurd mechanics you could put in the Xeroc fight

[long bloom]

permanent daybroken 🔥

[spare pier]

Xeroc wouldn't inflict Daybroken

He would inflict "Day"

[long bloom]

true

[split mortar]

Yes

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

[plucky juniper]

Dayfixed

[split mortar]

Xeroc inflicts fuck you and it fucking kills you

[icy veldt]

3D movement

[plucky juniper]

No u debuff

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc should be able to flashbang you.

[spice pawn]

Just ask the Fargo's devs to make it

[north root]

the xeroc fight should include a mechanic

where you have to go outside

and fight them under the light of the sun

in real life

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc should have a gun.

But like, it's a png of an actual gun.

[north root]

we will get sued by lucille karma for comedy infringement

[abstract hedge]

Nah we won't get Xeroc

At least five more DoG reworks first.

[north root]

dog is complete

every update from now on he will downgrade in sprite and ai

until he has no sprite and cave bat ai

[humble fog]

Invisible 700 damage cave bat

[frosty charm]

"downgrade" "cave bat"

woah pal

careful

[north root]

after no sprite and cave bat ai of course

he will have old slime god sprite and old duke ai

[civic bramble]

Do we truly know how Xeroc got his domain from Zeratross?

[strong compass]

Consumed his auric soul

[long bloom]

by absorbing zeratros' auric soul

[civic bramble]

I get that

But like how did he obtain it

[long bloom]

whether he consented remains a mystery

[civic bramble]

That’s what I mean

[long bloom]

unknown

[north root]

pliers and elbow grease

[long bloom]

i don't think you can just grab a soul

[long bloom]

true

[north root]

with pliers and elbow grease you can do anything

[pliant ruin]

pliers of the mark variety

[civic bramble]

Because my head cannon is he fought zeratross

[north root]

rp rot

ban yourself right this instant

[pliant ruin]

that's not even rp rot that was a markiplier joke smh

[north root]

you can never be too careful

my head canon is that xeroc ate zeratros because he was hungry

[pliant ruin]

happens

[north root]

he only ate the auric soul accidentally

[pliant ruin]

i'm personally on the boat that it wasn't consensual

But it also wasn't really

Much of a conflict

Zeratros was fucking dying, Xeroc did what he had to do ™

[civic bramble]

Nah they had a tea party and were gambling zeratross gambled his soul

[long bloom]

i think it was consensual maybe

[civic bramble]

You

Take my soul

[north root]

of course my ACTUAL headcanon is that xeroc was framed by yharon's regime

but that's simply too woke

[pliant ruin]

calamity wouldn't be woke really

devs wouldn't do that

ever

[visual kiln]

hello lore discussion i am here to inform you that i am aware of you all

expecially if ur transgender

[long bloom]

rare az calmain appearance

[civic bramble]

Pffft

Anyways quick question about yharim.:

So if yharim takes the armor out does he just die?

[long bloom]

no?

he'll be fine

dude isn't darth vader

[civic bramble]

Alright

If I learn animation I do wanna make my head canon of xeroc and zeratross having tea

And gambling to see who gets the soul

[glacial rampart]

come kiryu. we shall see who the true dragon of dojima is

[pliant ruin]

auric dragon of dojima

has the domain of dojima

[long bloom]

kojima

[pliant ruin]

yeah the domain you get it when you absorb that auric soul is the Hideo Game domain

Kojima, god of Hideo Game

[abstract hedge]

I can't believe Yharim would kill the god of dojima, their cult wasn't that bad.

[civic bramble]

Wait I just realized cheese is back to a mod

[hearty spire]

who is zeratros

[civic bramble]

The dragon of primordial light and the reason Xeroc became the god of primordial light and ascend

[long bloom]

the king of the auric dragons, and the most powerful one in history

also what ds said

[balmy glacier]

lore discussion

[frosty charm]

Lore eats lore

[frank dune]

Uh

Yeah

Lore

Hows lore

Gng

[dense lynx]

Who would win? Plaguebringer Goliath or Harbringer from Ender Catalyst mod

[frosty charm]

PBG negs because idk who Harbinger is so they're featless

[crude musk]

Pbg would simply pull a netero from hxh and explode

She should do that in-game

Calamity bosses if they were peak

[woeful hatch]

From what I read of it, it doesn't seem like it has any lore or feats, and the in-game ones are really not that special

So PBG wins I'd say

[dense lynx]

Then could Leviathan and Anathia beat meg?

[woeful hatch]

What is meg

[frank dune]

Mecha bee vs mecha wither

Wither wins

I guess

[pliant ruin]

like. megalodon. the real life fatass shark

because if so

dude you're pitting up a giant magical sea monster with paranormal powers against a normal ass shark that's just big

😭

[woeful hatch]

Megalodon when the leviathan starts fucking flying

[pliant ruin]

that's like. who would win

yharon or trex

[frank dune]

Why leviathan even flies

🥀

[woeful hatch]

Because magic

[frank dune]

Tommorow

[pliant ruin]

most bosses fly

[crude musk]

100 ghost leviathans vs 1 jared

[agile matrix]

id say they fly bc the player flies (unless its magic)

like ks doesnt fly, ds doesnt fly

but once the player gets wings theres very little unflying

[pliant ruin]

Yeah that's the gameplay reason for it

[agile matrix]

if the player didnt fly, theyd be more grounded

[frank dune]

Disable wings

[agile matrix]

defiled

[frank dune]

😂

[crude musk]

Gravitation + featherfall strats

[pliant ruin]

Having the player get crazy good mobility while a boss still is just kinda stuck toi the ground in later points of progression generally would make the boss a pushover

There are ways to make it work though

But they usually require a good bit of brainstorming

So just making shit fly is by far the easiest option

[frank dune]

Death area

Or like

If youre in air

Take 1000 dmg per tick

Heh

🤫

[crude musk]

Ravager but a crawlthipede eats you if you fly

[frank dune]

Well i mean

We have solar tower

With that thingy

Which targets you only when you fly

Smth like that but for bosses

[agile matrix]

ravager, golem, and astrum aureus

[pliant ruin]

yeah those are all pushovers

[agile matrix]

golem is mostly okay since they get up, ravager likely will be in a box, and astrum will likely be shot dead

[frosty charm]

Dude I still hate ravager for the 10+ times I'd get it low and they'd just run off like a little bitch

[pliant ruin]

wdym by being shot dead

its not getting removed

[agile matrix]

if astrum aureus remains as it currently is

[pliant ruin]

It obviously won't

Why would they rework every other boss but specifically decide to Not do it for aureus for some reason

[agile matrix]

ergo
its being shot dead
as in massively majorly reworked

[frosty charm]

He's perfect the way he is ❤️

[pliant ruin]

Being shot dead is pretty confusing wording for reworking something 😭 Sounds much more like you're implying it'd be getting removed or replaced lol

[frosty charm]

I think SCal is the only "perfect" cal boss atm she has her issues but she's more fun to fight than the others by a wide margin

If she wasn't reworked or tweaked at all I'd be fine with it

[woeful hatch]

Eh, I'd argue for providence too, even if I do want a rework for her too

[frosty charm]

Providence is rlly good too but I'd choose SCal over her

[dusk laurel]

💔

strangest user ive seen this quarter of the year

[calm patio]

[frank dune]

Lore

[steep lion]

I dont know shit about the lore can anyone inform me on the lore that i barely understand?

[pliant ruin]

There's alot

There's a doc in pins that gives a good resume on things

[wanton pendant]

You can also ask here for any questions you have.

[pliant ruin]

yeh

[hearty spire]

how powerful is xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Very.

[pliant ruin]

Strongest character in the mod's setting

Specifics? Idk

But he's really damn strong

[split mortar]

The only feats we have of xeroc is boss rush
Which puts them massively beyond any characters we can fight rn but we know basically nothing but that

[upper warren]

“i'd say Xeroc is like large mountain yeah
at least that. continental, MAYBE under very specific conditions and a relativley small continent”-cei (the main lore writer)

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, well, Cei is a nerd, so there.

[split mortar]

Yes cei has said that but then also wrote xeroc removing the sun instantly in embers so like

[upper warren]

The suns kinda small tho isn’t it?

In lore

[wanton pendant]

Bigger than the moon.

[split mortar]

Yeah only bigger then the moon by a bit

[upper warren]

Might be because his domain is connected to it

[wanton pendant]

Yes, that's how it works.

[split mortar]

we dont see providence removing the entire underworld or silva instantly healing, domains arent absolute

[upper warren]

True, hadn’t thought about that

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc has power over the sun because their domain is Primordial Light.
Xeroc can make the sun leave because Xeroc is really strong.

[reef nova]

Xeroc also smokes his own incense as shown on the concept art

[mighty zenith]

he also uses a glaive therefore he's fucking based

[pliant ruin]

he's already based as is thats my goat

[split mortar]

What is it that you have against Venezuela

[pliant ruin]

they took everything from me

[reef nova]

Story time please

[pliant ruin]

ill never forgive them

[woeful hatch]

Monk spade specifically

[civic bramble]

R: Is noxus one of the oldest characters in calamity?

[wanton pendant]

In the lore or in the creation of the concept?

[civic bramble]

R: In the lore

[wanton pendant]

Noxus' age is unknown.

The oldest characters are reasonably the Elementals and Yharon, given that they are immortal.
Yharon has the oldest given age, of over 2000 years old.

[civic bramble]

R: I see

[abstract hedge]

The primordial wyrm is probably also quite old, just a bit younger than the auric dragons were.

[wanton pendant]

A bit younger than the last of them.

Yharon is among the first.

Same with Old Duke, who is also extremely old, just not old enough to be an Auric Dragon.

[abstract hedge]

Yeah

Fovos would probably also be quite old but we don't know exactly.

[split mortar]

Noxus while not known age def predates fovos implosion since cv originates a decent bit into the dragon age iirc

[abstract hedge]

Then Xeroc would be the oldest human/humanoid.

[wanton pendant]

In the same vein, we don't know how old Fovos is. At least over 850, since that's when he attacked.

[split mortar]

Moonlords arguably humanoid

[wanton pendant]

Well, the Elementals are mostly humanoid.

[abstract hedge]

Fair

[wanton pendant]

Oldest human, well yeah, probably Xeroc, if you still count them.

Unless some other early god was already older.

[abstract hedge]

Xeroc was I think fairly young or middle aged but I'm shit at telling age so I might be wrong.

[wanton pendant]

Well, again, we don't know.

Although monks are rarely associated with youth.

[abstract hedge]

I'm just basing that on how he looked pre ascension.

He was bald so i guess he could be on the older side.

[wanton pendant]

We also don't know at what point in Xeroc's life that would be.
(Or if the baldness was for religious or vanity reasons).

It could be Xeroc days before ascending, or a few years.

[pliant ruin]

The oldest character is probably some distortion fuckshit yeah

Or maybe a elemental technically i suppose

[abstract hedge]

Xeroc is still probably one of the oldest gods cause the majority are dead and most didn't ascend until a while after he did iirc.

[split mortar]

Either distortion fuckshit or elemental yeah

[split mortar]

Xeroc is the first god

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc isn't probably one of the oldest gods he is quite literally the oldest

Being the first and all

[wanton pendant]

Again, we don't really know. It could have taken years for a second god to emerge, or months, days, maybe some poor dragon got wiped out fifteen minutes later (I doubt it though).

[abstract hedge]

Unless nobody else ascended until way later after, someone else was probably older when they did, he probably wasn't super old when he ascended. Also Silva was older cause y'know.

[wanton pendant]

Silva reasonably is the oldest god by actual age. And she's probably the youngest Elemental.

[pliant ruin]

Actually yeah Silva might be older than Xeroc

[abstract hedge]

Definitely youngest elemental.

[wanton pendant]

(Assuming they all didn't spontaneously manifest one day at once.)

[abstract hedge]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

She's basically the only one who can be though

[abstract hedge]

Fire would be the oldest I think? Then earth, then water, then air or something.

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone (Heat) is likely oldest.

[abstract hedge]

Fire or earth would definitely be the oldest.

Yeah

[split mortar]

P sure a dev statement says brimmy would be oldest elemtal

[wanton pendant]

Only other way for a god to be older than Xeroc would for them to be an early adopter and already be older.

[pliant ruin]

Unless there is another species of sapient organism that can be hundreds+ of years old like Elementals can then it's fair to assume every other god to ascend would not have a age range extremely different from humans

[wanton pendant]

Like, for instance, Xeroc ascends at fifty, and three years later someone ascends at sixty, they'd be seven years older.

[pliant ruin]

So really yeah the only way for a god who isn't silva to b older than xeroc

[pliant ruin]

Would be this + them still being alive

Dogma could in theory be older if it wasn't for the fact dogma is fucking dead

[wanton pendant]

But we also don't know how old that guy is either.

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[split mortar]

I bet xeroc is decently up there before ascension due to the strength

[wanton pendant]

Devs, release the god birthday planner!

[abstract hedge]

Idk why but I feel like agnus was old. Maybe cause he just looked old in his design.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah he does give me grandpa vibes

[wanton pendant]

But we don't know when he ascended.

[pliant ruin]

and he's dead also

[wanton pendant]

He could have been one hundred, but if he ascended a hundred years after Xeroc...

[abstract hedge]

Most gods would probably be young or middle aged when they ascended because they had to fight a dragon, but there definitely could be old ones.

[wanton pendant]

Well, fighting a dragon isn't needed.

[split mortar]

Consent is possible

[abstract hedge]

I feel like he could've been one of the earlier ones, but he's dead so it doesn't really matter.

[wanton pendant]

If you can convince them to let you have their soul, or I guess you could steal it from someone.

[pliant ruin]

Evil ass elderly wizard that becomes a evil ass god

[wanton pendant]

(Good luck with that.)

[abstract hedge]

Convincing them probably only happened a few times if ever tbh.

[wanton pendant]

Stab them in their sleep maybe?

Or wait for them to die of old age.

[pliant ruin]

Tbh i think less so Convincing and more so the Dragon itself having the idea would be more likely

I find that it'd be more likely for someone to be willing to sacrifice themselves for someone else

[wanton pendant]

Maybe in the immediate wake of Fovos, there'd be a couple dead but not yet revived dragons to snatch.

[pliant ruin]

Than for someone to tell someone else that the right thing to do would be to kill themselves for their sake

[pliant ruin]

Like say, if a Dragon and mortal were close friends

[wanton pendant]

Issue is Yharon probably wouldn't be too pleased.

[pliant ruin]

And the Dragon fully acnowledged that the mortal could do far more good with their domain's power than the dragon themselves could

Or maybe the Dragon didn't really have much left to live for

So they sacrifice themselves to save a friend, giving them their soul

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Depression.

[civic bramble]

R: I would imagine it probably is an elemental.

[reef nova]

Tragic

What a calamity...

[abstract hedge]

I feel like something like this could've happened with Zeratros, Vetrasyl, or Raelvanna because they all had virtuous gods (or in the case of Xeroc had entirely unknown circumstances).

[pliant ruin]

I'm of the belief Vetrasyl and Otonilou were a scenario like thius

I mean they're both extremely kind

[abstract hedge]

Also do we even have a clue what Xeroc has been doing for the past 800 years?

[pliant ruin]

Argaubly the kindest dragon and god we know of respectively

[wanton pendant]

Taxes.

[pliant ruin]

So i can't for the life of me see otonilou murking vetrasyl

[pliant ruin]

Probably trying to prevent Fovos 2 from happening

Watching out for distortion fuckers and all

Maybe having beef with noxus

[split mortar]

Prob protecting planet from outside threats

Or something

[abstract hedge]

His only really motivation we've seen is protecting the world so yeah probably something like that.

[wanton pendant]

'Sorry Yharim, you're not a world ending threat.'
'You let Providence be one and not me!'
'Making stuff into ash is a serious cosmic threat, read a book.'

[dusk laurel]

💔

[split mortar]

You will hate the friend nick i gave you

[dusk laurel]

.

🥹

i dont even want to know

[long bloom]

mostly training i think

[reef nova]

Vetrasyl my beloved goat

[pulsar ocean]

why doesnt draedon get cancelled for being ai and using ai

[split mortar]

Draedon did fet cancelled before
The guy does not care

[pulsar ocean]

does yharim watch tiktoks in dragon aerie

[civic bramble]

He seems like a Facebook guy

So the only scourge were in the sunken sea right?

That means aquatic scourge was the exception

Or is it the other way around?

[hoary cape]

There are other scourges

[dusk laurel]

no

[civic bramble]

Oh, no?

[hoary cape]

Aquatic scourge is a species of the scourge. This one however is contaminated by the sulphurous sea

[civic bramble]

Ph I thought it somehow landed in sulphuric sea

[dusk laurel]

we only see three species ingame and i see no reason why an entire phylum mainly of aquatic animals is only on one continent

(sunken scourge isnt ingame yet but its a sunken sea enemy thats gonna be added in sso2)

[civic bramble]

That’s fair enough

[civic bramble]

Ooooo

Didn’t know there was a new scourge coming

[dusk laurel]

aquatic scourge - oceanic based filter feeding giant species, the specific one ingame lives in the sulphurous sea
sunken scourge - carnivorous pack-based hunters that live in the tunnels of the gleaming burrows, the smallest of the three we know
desert scourge - formerly amphibious species of scourge that lived in the timeless shores, carnivorous and smaller than the aquatic scourge

[civic bramble]

Thanks!

One question

They are not all worm

[dusk laurel]

reptiles

[civic bramble]

Yea that’s was my guess

After the desert scourge respite

[dusk laurel]

you have seen the parts of ds' design right

the new one

[civic bramble]

Well my name is DS … Yes I have

It looks amazing from the parts

I remember seeing that one meshed up design of it too

[civic bramble]

Yea it looks rather well

The head is on the right, right?

[dusk laurel]

the head is at the bottom of the image

the gore of the head is on the right

[civic bramble]

Oh I see

[dusk laurel]

its a beaked creature

[civic bramble]

It will be in the sso update right?

[civic bramble]

Agreed

[dusk laurel]

no i mean it literally has a beak

[dusk laurel]

this is the animation of the mouth opening, but its the older design from before fabsol got kicked out

[civic bramble]

Oh. The opening looks sick but if it got changed I will be somewhat unsurprised

But back to lore

Did the desert scourge use to live in the sunken sea and dried up? Or is that not canon anymore

[dusk laurel]

the was a region now in the underground desert that was a shore region at the top of the ilmeran sea

which is where it used to live

[civic bramble]

I am sorry but I don’t understand

Are you saying the sea use to be on the top…

Then it sun-

Oh

Alright got it

And the scourge couldn’t come down?

[dusk laurel]

the sunken sea isnt just one environment so it wouldnt just move down since its different from its old home

and no the ilmeran sea didnt reach the surface

[dusk laurel]

what i said was that more of the underground desert was part of the ilmeran sea back in the day it didnt sink it shrunk 😭

[civic bramble]

Oh

Thanks for the clarification

[burnt leaf]

the devious lizard devours the foolish insects

[dusk laurel]

it was already an amphibious creature so it wouldnt just die off if the water disappeared it could adapt and there were still some pockets of oases i imagine

[pulsar ocean]

what do you guys think bosses would taste like

[balmy glacier]

flesh, rot, metal, ice, fire, organs, ghosts, nanotechnology, plants, rocks, chicken, seafood uh

[young socket]

🔴

[balmy glacier]

even stronger metal, bees, extraterrestrial gobbledygook

[pulsar ocean]

A red circle doesn’t have a taste

[balmy glacier]

pill

the red circle could be a pill

or not

[dusk laurel]

👎

[pulsar ocean]

Does that mean you think they’d taste bad

[wanton pendant]

A couple would taste of human flesh, which is poisonous, so probably bad.

[icy veldt]

It's not poisonous, you just have a skill issue

[real glen]

Oh my god stop
Stop this conversation

There is a reason why I made this image

[fleet wedge]

Why is aetherflux in the forefront?

[jaunty wraith]

Do we know the origin of noxus and the distortion?

[balmy glacier]

distortion's origin is intentionally left unexplained

noxus idk

[dusk laurel]

both are unexplained yeah and likely wont ever be explained since the distortion would still be a pretty big mystery i think even after we start surveying it

[jaunty wraith]

The distortion feels like a universal construct, somthing thats just there

[split mortar]

Could be an alternate dimension but also feels like its gonna be bit different to that more sinister and gay

[dusk laurel]

its part of the universe but has some qualities of a pocket dimension

[north root]

propaganda

typical of the wwg

[pulsar ocean]

Distortion is actually noxus’s unstable stomach that became a pocket dimension because of all the different god essence

[thick slate]

why is he hungry

why not just eat hamburger

[wanton pendant]

He eats god hamburger.

It's like a regular hamburger.

But instead of people from Hamburg, it's gods.

[jaunty wraith]

Why does yharim try to gaslight me to think hes the good guy? Why would chara make yharim do that.

[wanton pendant]

Why would Chara make Yharim do all those things that make him get made by Chara to make you be made by Chara to make you do what Chara made him do?

[agile matrix]

can the devourer of gods consume auric souls?

i presume not ritual them but im not sure if he can eat them

[split mortar]

Dog could eat them and they go to noxus like god essence would afaik

[wanton pendant]

DoG almost certainly doesn't know how to do the ritual.
Assuming it doesn't require, like, arms I guess there's nothing otherwise stopping him living out his fantasy of becoming a god otherwise.
Besides that, no reason he can't eat them just like with Godly Souls.

I wonder if they taste any different.

[civic bramble]

Yo that’s sick

When is that releasing?

[hearty spire]

how does auric souls taste like

[magic epoch]

wouldnt you like to know weatherboy

[upper warren]

How often are lore writers in chat?

[long bloom]

nearly every day

at least for a little bit

[jaunty wraith]

If not, there's plenty of autistic people who know way to much about the lore to answer your questions

[long bloom]

or you could ping stip if it's a new question

[jaunty wraith]

How do you know if the question you have is a new question?

[long bloom]

idk

[upper warren]

I don’t know if this is rude to ask but what’s up with the whole Rebecca, Kamilla, Madeline thing?

Why does her name change sometimes?

[jaunty wraith]

Who?

[long bloom]

multiple personalities

[long bloom]

hagurihat

[pearl halo]

lore accurate yharim vs goku
who wins

[upper warren]

Goku

[long bloom]

i've never even seen dragon ball byeah goku no contest

[upper warren]

Im pretty sure

[jaunty wraith]

You know lore accurate calamity isnt that powerful

[pearl halo]

there are gods

[upper warren]

Strongest person in lore is like large mountain level

[pearl halo]

and yharim is

[jaunty wraith]

They aernt the gods your thinking of

There power is able to destroy cities at most

[pearl halo]

goku is monky

[civic bramble]

They are plural

[upper warren]

God just mean you absorb a type of soul, it isn’t necessarily an implication of power (in calamity lore)

[long bloom]

ex: slime god

[jaunty wraith]

Plenty of non gods have killed gods

[pearl halo]

gof

[upper warren]

I suppose I will look into this concept. I’m not familiar.

[long bloom]

research good

[civic bramble]

That’s good

I looked into it for a while too

Before becoming a plural

[long bloom]

something something pipeline /j

[civic bramble]

Could I ask a question?

[long bloom]

yeag

[civic bramble]

What’s the mod you working on?

[long bloom]

uh

[dusk laurel]

oh hey cheese

[civic bramble]

Not the name but concept

[pliant ruin]

Goku would breathe in yharim's general direction and kill him

[jaunty wraith]

If calamitas clone looks exactly like calamitas, how will they be differentiated in game

[long bloom]

true

[dusk laurel]

calclone def wont have the same clothes

[civic bramble]

Same looks not fashion design

[long bloom]

basically
make vanilla good
it's gonna do like 500 things

[dusk laurel]

also shes lived in a different environment compared to cal so they wont be the exact same

[civic bramble]

That’s nice

Cal clone had it rough

[jaunty wraith]

I mean she's literally gone insane from a fraction of calamitas magic

... can I fix her

[civic bramble]

Mhm

[civic bramble]

Not mhm to this

[long bloom]

unlikely

[civic bramble]

And also isn’t she canonically a minor too?

I forget

Like her mind is only a few years young

But her body is the replica of cal

[jaunty wraith]

Calamitas isnt by the point of the terrarian

[civic bramble]

Or am I just wrong

[civic bramble]

I am talking about cal clone

[long bloom]

uhhhhh

[jaunty wraith]

And cal clone... eh I guess she's new... look it was a joke dont dig to deep lol

[long bloom]

not established i think

[civic bramble]

No no I understand that

I am just now thinking

[long bloom]

there was a convo a few months ago about this

[civic bramble]

That what characters are minors

And what not

Because I always thought of calclone being like a mind of a child in the body of an adult situation

[jaunty wraith]

The only character I know of was calamitas when she was enlisted.

The lore doc specifically brought attention to yharim recruiting a child soldier

[upper warren]

What’s up with the clone going mad from scal’s power? She’s a clone so I figured it would be fine.

[civic bramble]

Not a perfect one

And cal in built different

[jaunty wraith]

She's only a clone in looks, yharim wasn't able to replicate the magic at all

[long bloom]

no she is an exact genetic clone

[upper warren]

“Yharim”?

[jaunty wraith]

Draedon

[civic bramble]

I thought she failed in some regard

[long bloom]

not exactly

[civic bramble]

Oh?

[jaunty wraith]

She's failed as in she doesnt have calamitas power and magic

[long bloom]

she didn't have magic, but that's because the actual calamitas wasn't born with powers

[upper warren]

Different mind perhaps?

[civic bramble]

I understand that but I thought that was due to her not being a one to one clone hence not perfect

[civic bramble]

Oooo

Wait that’s true

Because she took her powers from brimmy

[long bloom]

most likely

[jaunty wraith]

They couldnt kill eachother cause fire cant really beat fire

[civic bramble]

But there has to be a point where even azafurian can die from heat

Probably not possible in calamity

But there must be a melting point

[upper warren]

I don’t think an average azafurian has too much more resistance than average. Lava will kill afaik

[jaunty wraith]

Bones have the highest melting point at almost 1000 degrees F (or 500 C)

[long bloom]

source: guide is azafurian

[jaunty wraith]

So if the tenpature can get to that level then yeah

[civic bramble]

Wait what???

This is a joke right

Right?

[jaunty wraith]

(Don't ask how I know what the melting point of the human body is)

[dusk laurel]

guide is nationally azafurian yes

[civic bramble]

…. Right?

[civic bramble]

Wait fr

Didn’t know that

[upper warren]

Demolitionist is too iirc

[long bloom]

huh?

never heard that

[civic bramble]

They just look human that’s why I was confused

[jaunty wraith]

Guide has some connection to the wall of flesh which we know came from dead azafurians

[long bloom]

brimstone crags lava is hovering somewhere around 4500-5000c

[upper warren]

I think guide, demolitionist, and tax collector all have at least some relation

[dusk laurel]

no hes not ethnically an azafurian, but he used to live there, like look at the differences between calamitas and the guide/demolitionist/tax collector, so yeah normal humans can just live near lava

[upper warren]

Maybe not azafurian in the ethnicity way

[jaunty wraith]

We dont really know anything about vanilla NPCs

[dusk laurel]

we know like very small crumbs and thats it

[jaunty wraith]

We know the dryad was a worshiper of silva

[long bloom]

things we know about bandit lore:

• they have some

[jaunty wraith]

The pirate may of had some encounter with ahahita and the leviathan (assuming that line of text isnt outdated)

[dusk laurel]

but yeah this is because of immigration since azafure was a big industrial city and all which would attract people to the city

[young socket]

better if u instead said

[dusk laurel]

they/them

[young socket]

things we know about bandit lore
-they

[long bloom]

true

[jaunty wraith]

Isn't azafure equivalent to britan during the industrial revolution

[upper warren]

What causes a human’s appearance to change after absorbing an auric soul and becoming a god? And what determines how it changes?

[dusk laurel]

azafure seems to be more spanish inspired but there are british elements (capitalism, industrialism, etc.)

[long bloom]

we don't know

but there is a reason

[dusk laurel]

seemingly their appearance changes based on how much they let their new powers define them from their former self

(yes reb told us to put this in the doc)

[long bloom]

oh word

[civic bramble]

I lowkey forgot about the bandit

[upper warren]

What determines what changes? I guess fire domains cause fire related attributes?

Life causes vines and stuff

[jaunty wraith]

I guess thats why Providence looks nothing like a human

[long bloom]

silva had a perfect ascension

she's still the goddess of life

[upper warren]

Do perfect ascensions have less effect on appearance?

[long bloom]

probably?

[dusk laurel]

life is literally any living organism, so even though her ascended design is good it kinda only has mainly plant motifs and like a few animals details

[long bloom]

although she can also shapeshift

because elemental

[dusk laurel]

yeah silva can kinda cheat her way through that

[upper warren]

Ohh, it makes a lot more sense why Silva didn’t change much at all now

Both biomancy and also already being related to the domain by necessity

[jaunty wraith]

Is the design of xeroc we had previously ascension or post ascension

[long bloom]

pre

[jaunty wraith]

Do we know what ascended xeroc looks like

[dusk laurel]

nope

[long bloom]

:shrug

[upper warren]

Doesn’t he like, not have hair or something?

[long bloom]

he was baldified yes

[upper warren]

Or is that pre ascent

[long bloom]

in the concept art revision

[dusk laurel]

disappointingly his/their pre ascension concept art does not have hair

[upper warren]

I remember cei being disappointed by that

[dusk laurel]

personally it makes way more sense because of the setting and context that he has hair but whatever

[civic bramble]

He was a monk

Though

[long bloom]

a dragon monk

[civic bramble]

I guess they do have creative liberties to say monk grey hair in calamity

[dusk laurel]

monks can be more than just bald yk

also like do you KNOW what the sun was like back then

the evil ray of cancer

[long bloom]

the sun is a deadly laser

[upper warren]

Still no explanation for why the sun was death back then? Why zeratros did nothing

[dusk laurel]

it was just way way way brighter

most of the dragons probably liked it except for a few exceptions

[long bloom]

he did nothing because it didn't inconvenience the dragons

just people

and all the people they cared about were in the aerie

[upper warren]

Kinda cruel

[civic bramble]

The dragon of frost hates that shit and probably went underground

[upper warren]

They really gave zero mind to everyone else I guess

[civic bramble]

Yea

But like that is kinda poetic to me

[long bloom]

humans were busy doing azafure anyway

[dusk laurel]

i wonder what other ancient draconic era civilizations were like that were not called azafure

[upper warren]

I just realized it may have been less hot in azafure

[wanton pendant]

We don't know why Zeratros didn't deal with it.
Maybe Zeratros was incapable. Maybe he didn't care. Maybe there wasn't a need for the surface to be inhabited by weaker life. Maybe Zeratros was just a jerk.

[wanton pendant]

The majestic Chrysadia:

[dusk laurel]

dont care

[long bloom]

✅

[dusk laurel]

we'll get plently about them later

[civic bramble]

Are there any designs for Zera?

[dusk laurel]

nope

[long bloom]

the only dragons that have designs are yharon and vetrasyl

[dusk laurel]

zeratros just has concepts that we know about

[long bloom]

wait he does

[dusk laurel]

#lore-discussion message

[long bloom]

ah
descriptions

[dusk laurel]

these arent final at all but they give a glimpse at to what the design could have

[jaunty wraith]

The primordial light is the sun right?

[dusk laurel]

also i remember talk that apparently zeratros had a distinct sigil or whatever but lemme check

its from the sun yeah

we dont know of anywhere else that produces it

[long bloom]

ohh wait those ones

[jaunty wraith]

Just the sun or any star?

[long bloom]

didn't know they were public

[long bloom]

the sun isn't a star

stars are mana

sun is primordial light

[dusk laurel]

the sun in cal is uhh, all we know is its a ball of primordial light

and its bigger than a typical cal star

[wanton pendant]

A sigil different from the Primordial Light Sigil?

[civic bramble]

Sad

[dusk laurel]

thats literally it we dont know anything else about the sun

[long bloom]

and is around the same size as the moon probably

[dusk laurel]

yeah that too

[long bloom]

and much cooler than the irl sun

[jaunty wraith]

The lunar pillars may have a relation to mana and the primordial light

[long bloom]

bc it's closer

[long bloom]

solar pillar is evil fucked up primordial light

[wanton pendant]

Well it has to be a bit bigger.

[dusk laurel]

#lore-discussion message huh okay so theres a likelihood it got scrapped

it was called the crest of light

[upper warren]

How Geocentric is calamity lore? Should we assume that other planets like the main one exist with similar circumstances?

[long bloom]

well
mars has (had) life

[dusk laurel]

apparently this is a super omega ultra pixelated version of it that stip posted 2 years ago

[jaunty wraith]

Do supernovas still happen in calamity?

[upper warren]

Like, do world souls exist anywhere else? Are other suns a thing?

[dusk laurel]

almost looks like yharim's insignia was taken from a part of it

[long bloom]

unknown

[dusk laurel]

we dunno

[jaunty wraith]

If they do, that could be where the nebula pillar is based off of