lore-discussion

[thick slate]

does she have blood

[oblique mountain]

I wouldn’t put it past him

[oblique mountain]

She got Fire

[wanton pendant]

Only Calamitas and a couple bosses that are clearly a species.

Draedon can't just make new mechs that quickly.

[spice pawn]

Does eoc count

[wanton pendant]

It's just a big monster. There are tons of them. You're just fighting a different one each time.

[spice pawn]

This Cthulhu guy got a lot of body parts ngl

I ought to meet him

[oblique mountain]

If rematches are canon, that poor ninja really can’t catch a break

[wanton pendant]

They aren't.

[spice pawn]

Isn't the ninja dead

[wanton pendant]

Except Calamitas and bosses where you can argue you're fighting a different member of its species.

And the ninja is dead, since, you know, digested.

[oblique mountain]

I bet there’s more than one queen bee around

[spice pawn]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

They're explicitly a species.

[spice pawn]

There's more than one hive

Can't bee the queen of all of them

[thick slate]

why cant slime digest the ninja clothe

[spice pawn]

He's sponsored

[wanton pendant]

Ninjas worship slime so they have anti-slime dissolving clothes so they can pet them.

[oblique mountain]

Cus king slime respects the need for drip

[thick slate]

then why arent we slime proof when wearing it

[wanton pendant]

Because the clothes aren't their skin.

[spice pawn]

Does calamitas have dreads

[wanton pendant]

No.

[oblique mountain]

We aren’t ninjas dude, pay attention

[thick slate]

i wish

[thick slate]

oh yea

is tyler blevin slime proof

[spice pawn]

Then why do the slimes hurt when I wear the ninja armor

Or am I not worthy of it

[thick slate]

cuz we arent ninjas

pay attention

[oblique mountain]

Does wearing a chef outfit make you a chef?

[spice pawn]

🔥✍️

[oblique mountain]

No ur jus a silly little guy in a costume

[thick slate]

i can cook

[oblique mountain]

Bro gets paid, I might have to start eating some gods

[spice pawn]

Is it hourly or by the job

[wanton pendant]

The pay may or may not be eating gods.

[oblique mountain]

Definitely by the god

[thick slate]

he gets paid in exposure

[oblique mountain]

Also is there a lore reason Yharim couldn’t kill my goat the torch god

[thick slate]

hourly

no wonder bro does nothing

[spice pawn]

are there any canon depictions of Yharim?

[wanton pendant]

Torch God is unknown.

[wanton pendant]

How do you mean?

[thick slate]

yellow king

with the blue

[oblique mountain]

Does HE have dreads?

[spice pawn]

Like what he looks like

[thick slate]

and the cape

[spice pawn]

Whar

[wanton pendant]

He has concept art.

[thick slate]

not his face i think

but his armor yea

[wanton pendant]

And he is in Your Only Move is Hustle as a playable character.

[thick slate]

thank u for capitalising it

that really helps clarify

[oblique mountain]

Also for a terrible guy, Yharim got some cool ass allies

Not draedon tho he a bum

[thick slate]

like asshole, asshole, smart asshole

draedon and yharim got divorced

so they arent allies really

[spice pawn]

You think Draedon get bored and make the EXO mechs dance or something

[thick slate]

yea he so does

he doesnt tell anyone

[oblique mountain]

Calamitas gets 3 Christmases, one for each parent

[wanton pendant]

Yharim latest concept art (not final design to my memory).

[oblique mountain]

He got that shit on fr

[wanton pendant]

Jesus isn't canon, so no Christmas.
Ignore Santa.

[spice pawn]

I bet his computer password is something stupid like "Dr43d0n"

[thick slate]

draedon plays halo 3 all day

[spice pawn]

Frost moon

[thick slate]

aint canon

[spice pawn]

Tuff

[oblique mountain]

Nah draedon definitely plays halo 4 and swears up and down it’s the best game and Halo is better with more advanced movement

[spice pawn]

What yeah it is

Isn't it?

[thick slate]

not to the lore

[spice pawn]

Doesn't Draedon say something about the spirit essence or was that someone else

[thick slate]

spirit essence still exisys

gonna have a difference source in the future

[oblique mountain]

Also how may gods does Yharim end up killing

[spice pawn]

Lame

[wanton pendant]

No.

[wanton pendant]

Over 90%.

[thick slate]

ok moon emoji

get a job

[spice pawn]

😞

[oblique mountain]

He’s got a job, he devours gods on the side

[wanton pendant]

Like, potentially approaching 99%.
There's probably a few dozen left in my personal opinion.
Far less than a hundred at the absolute high end.

[oblique mountain]

So like 10?

[wanton pendant]

...there were more than a hundred gods. Probably.

[oblique mountain]

Oh

[spice pawn]

Fat worm

[oblique mountain]

But he notably misses slime god, torch god, and providence?

[wanton pendant]

Torch God may or may not be a god.

[oblique mountain]

Also is boss rush canon?

[spice pawn]

He's very bad at his job

[wanton pendant]

Slime God and Providence are skilled at running away.

[wanton pendant]

Very canon.

[spice pawn]

I think cuz the rock

[spare pier]

Draedon's password is either deceptively simple, or absurdly complicated

[tropic oak]

three thousand

[wanton pendant]

'P4ssword'

[oblique mountain]

Eat the rock

[spice pawn]

I bet Draedon uses Linux

[oblique mountain]

So is the eidolon wyrm any relevant or is he not canon

[wanton pendant]

Draedon uses Draedon.

[spice pawn]

Not canon

[wanton pendant]

Why wouldn't they be canon.

Primordial Wyrm is also decently notable.

[oblique mountain]

Tell moon man

[spice pawn]

I am the greatest programmer on earth, that's why god chose me

[oblique mountain]

Difference being?

[wanton pendant]

Moon Man regular enemies are canon.

[wanton pendant]

It's bigger, stronger, hates Primordial Light, blessed by the blended goddess, really old.

[spice pawn]

It has a very niche spawn mechanic and drops a joke weapon

It's like the abyss's version of the dungeon guardian

[wanton pendant]

...Eidolon Wyrms are regular enemies.

[tropic oak]

its because silva and xeroc broke up and the wyrm is silva's pitbull

[oblique mountain]

Blended goddess?

[wanton pendant]

Primordial Wyrm is a hidden boss and is also canon.

[wanton pendant]

Silva.

[spice pawn]

I think I'm thinking of the primordial one, I get those two mixed up

[oblique mountain]

What happened to her?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim.

(And at least one other incident. She gets tossed into the Abyss more than once.)

[tropic oak]

she got stabbed a couple times (Maimed beyond recognition) and then dropped to the depths of the abyss

she like wraith said has been down there more than once

[spice pawn]

You think DoG infested some of the gods like a tapeworm when it wasn't as strong

[wanton pendant]

...no.

[oblique mountain]

Soo she got stabbed, tossed in the abyss, crawled out, and then got thrown back in?

[spice pawn]

She's good at swimming

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but the first time we know of was like ~2000 years ago.

[oblique mountain]

Is she dead or did she just give up

[wanton pendant]

This time was like, last few decades.

Silva can't die.

[tropic oak]

she's in her revival pod

[oblique mountain]

You guys think Silva will come back in the future of the mod

[wanton pendant]

She won't.

She'll be in her pod during gameplay.

She's kinda, you know, blended.

[visual cipher]

lowkey, I kinda feel like it would make sense lore wise for the moon lord fight to be put after yahron. because I find it wild that we as a player were able to kill him so early in our rise to power. Like sure, he was weakened significantly, but this creature still killed thousands of dragons, each holding godlike power

[oblique mountain]

So to see Silva we’d have to wait for her to stop being a god smoothie?

[wanton pendant]

...He's been lobotomised and is missing half his body.

AND HE'S STILL ONE OF THE STRONGEST BEING ALIVE.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[visual cipher]

exactly, I find it insane that we killed him so early

[wanton pendant]

Everything after Fovos is when you fight stuff that is meant to be absurdly strong.

It is not 'early' in the rise to power.

[visual cipher]

the dragons were as strong, if not stronger than the gods that it took the combined forces of all of yahrims armies 200 years to kill. And this dude did it on his own

[wanton pendant]

It's the end game.

[wanton pendant]

...what?

Where on Earth are you getting this from?

[oblique mountain]

Fovos?

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord.

[visual cipher]

It was stated that the war between the dragons and the moon lord was what spelled the end of the draconic age

[spice pawn]

Does the EoW have a poster of DoG on its wall

[wanton pendant]

Yeah because the Moon Lord beat them up for a month straight.

[visual cipher]

yes, those that survived were killed by humanity, but he still killed hundreds

[wanton pendant]

I don't think it has a house.

[visual cipher]

exactly, that takes immense power

[spice pawn]

Where does it go

[oblique mountain]

So is Yharon still loyal to Yharim, in his song he is singing to Yharim about how he doesn’t want the smoke right?

[visual cipher]

yahrim states the dragons held similar power to that which we hold upon beating calamitas

[wanton pendant]

Additionally the average dragon, based on other claims, were comparable to the Eidolon Wyrm or Planteara.

[wanton pendant]

That's fanciful prose to say that you hold dominion over the world.
Which the dragons had.
By means of Auric Souls.

[wanton pendant]

He's singing about how he doesn't want Yharim to die.

Also, the Crusade was around 105 years long. Not 200.

And there's no reason to believe the dragons were stronger than the gods.

[oblique mountain]

I assume the gods got the dragon power added to theirs

[wanton pendant]

Reasonable.

[visual cipher]

it wouldnt make sense for the gods to hold more power, most all of them were just men upon killing these dragons

their power primarily came from auric souls

[wanton pendant]

And then they absorbed the soul of the dragon.

Gaining new power.

[visual cipher]

reaching the height at which the dragon was before its death

[dawn swift]

what is this terra blud doing on the code breaker is blud yharim

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc.
Xeroc is stronger than Zeratros.
A god is not limited to the power level of the dragon.

[oblique mountain]

dude = dude, dragon=dragon, god = dude + dragon

[visual cipher]

the gods were shown to be relatively underpowered, I find it unlikely that the dragons ruled over all of terraria if the gods were more powerful than they

[wanton pendant]

You do also have to consider that these 'normal men' were able to slay an Auric Dragon.

[visual cipher]

xeroc is most likely an exception, not the norm

[wanton pendant]

What are you talking about?

[wanton pendant]

Obviously Xeroc is an exception, but again, your argument has no backing.

[visual cipher]

these gods were killed by simple armies, they were by no means some sort of divine being

they fit right in with the regular power structure

[oblique mountain]

Who Xeroc?

[wanton pendant]

Oh my God.
GOD (BIBLE) ISN'T CANON.

A GOD IN CALAMITY IS NOT OMNIPOTENT.

[visual cipher]

calm down

[wanton pendant]

First God.

God of Primordial Light.

The most powerful being to ever exist.

'Traitor Almighty.'

[visual cipher]

I just find it odd that these dragons were hyped up to be oh so powerful, rulers over all of terraria, then I'm supposed to believe that they weren't actually much to write home about

[wanton pendant]

They were extremely powerful.
They were able to defeat Fovos.
THE MOST POWERFUL THING TO EVER EXIST AT THE TIME.

[oblique mountain]

Power creep

[visual cipher]

and again, for the moon lord to be as powerful as you claim, I find it odd that we can kill him as far down in the progression as we are, even in his weakened state. It always appeared to me that, upon killing the profaned guardians, the power of the beings we fight begins to rise at a much higher rate than seen earlier.

[wanton pendant]

Far down in progression?
He's one of the later bosses.

And again, because he's barely alive.

And he's still a massive threat.

[visual cipher]

If he were barely alive wouldnt the dragons just have killed him instead of sealing him

[wanton pendant]

You have to account for the fact he's been on the moon for the last 850 years wasting away with no food.

[visual cipher]

even in their weakened state, "barely alive" means he cant to jack

I feel like beings on this level are beyond such things. I think it would have made more sense for him to be slowly attempting to regain his power over such a period of time

even if it were a slow creep

[wanton pendant]

While he's magically sealed on the moon? What's he gonna do, go to the moon gym?

[oblique mountain]

Well we ARE fighting the majority of Yharims former court (I say most cus we technically fight permafrost too early)

[visual cipher]

also if he was where he was, why didnt yahrim just kill him

[wanton pendant]

You don't fight Permafrost.

[wanton pendant]

How.

HE'S ON THE MOON.

[oblique mountain]

My bad we fight his jail cell

[visual cipher]

By breaking the seal same as we did

again, calm down

[eager bluff]

why would he do that though

[visual cipher]

you're getting far too heated over a debate

[wanton pendant]

Which requires him to kill his own friends and allies. (Or former, if he did so later.)

[visual cipher]

to avenge the dragons killed

as was the whole point of his crusade

[wanton pendant]

It was to kill the gods.

The dragon genocide was the casus belli.

[oblique mountain]

Also one question, did the devourer have his three servants before or after joining Yharims court

[eager bluff]

at the point where he was willing to fight the people in charge of keeping the seal intact he really didnt give a shit

[wanton pendant]

He doesn't have servants.

[eager bluff]

they arent his servants

[visual cipher]

if he had such sway I dont see why he wouldnt be able to convince them to lift it, as to kill the moon lord

[wanton pendant]

Convince the guy named 'Lunatic Cultist'.

[oblique mountain]

Then what are they?

[wanton pendant]

To not do the thing he does.

Good luck.

[visual cipher]

the war with the moon lord was yet another genocide of dragons, I see no reason why he wouldnt wish to take revenge for such

[wanton pendant]

Because Yharim hates the gods.

Specifically the gods.

[oblique mountain]

Convince a tweaker to not tweak

[wanton pendant]

It's personal.

He doesn't remotely care about Moon Lord as much as he cares about the gods because he hates them.

[oblique mountain]

Is Yharim a god or no?

[eager bluff]

no

[wanton pendant]

No.

He'd kill himself before becoming one.

[visual cipher]

he hates them for their genocide of the dragons, and casting him into the flame

[abstract hedge]

Nobody knew how strong Fovos was by that time. Releasing them could potentially cause some pretty big issues.

[wanton pendant]

And for enslaving him.

[oblique mountain]

He’s gotta be pretty damn strong tho to have the ability to kill gods

[wanton pendant]

It's almost like he's the strongest mortal.

[abstract hedge]

Gods in calamity are relatively weak.

He is the strongest mortal though.

[eager bluff]

realistically yharims spiel about gods genociding the dragons is secondary to his hatred of them for how he was treated

[visual cipher]

gods arent actually as powerful as the title implies

[oblique mountain]

No need to get snippy dude, this is my first time trying to learn calamity lore

[wanton pendant]

And the dragons were clearly weaker because there's only one of them left and a bunch of gods.

[visual cipher]

this guys being a bit of an ass

[wanton pendant]

I was just making a joke, sorry.

[abstract hedge]

Only stronger things are like, Noxus, Xeroc, and Fovos before getting sealed away. Also probably something else I forgot.

[oblique mountain]

Really putting me off trying to learn more lowkey

[visual cipher]

are we back to this argument? I understand now that dragons are underpowered next to gods

[visual cipher]

ikr

[eager bluff]

moon lord? he wasnt personally wronged by moon lord in the same way he was personally wronged by the gods, so gods take the priority there

[oblique mountain]

Did noxus get removed from wrath of the gods and changed to avatar of emptiness so he could become canon?

[wanton pendant]

No.

[eager bluff]

no noxus was already canon

[abstract hedge]

But yeah calamity gods are relatively weak. Like look at slime god, for example. Only one of them is even kinda immortal, and that's unrelated to being a god.

[oblique mountain]

So is wrath canon?

[visual cipher]

wouldnt the moon lord's great power imply there could be other beings out in the cosmos of greater power, that we just have no knowledge of?

[wanton pendant]

That's not how anything works.
They went in a different direction.

[eager bluff]

no

[wanton pendant]

Again, fanfics aren't canon.

[wanton pendant]

Sure.

[abstract hedge]

No
They were canon way before WoTG was a thing.

[abstract hedge]

No

[eager bluff]

wotg used noxus because base cal wasnt

[oblique mountain]

Nameless isn’t tho right

[abstract hedge]

WotG isn't canon, it's fan made.

[wanton pendant]

Fanfics aren't canon. That includes characters in the fanfics.

[visual cipher]

nah, I think they just wanted AoE to fit more thematically. AoE in lore is the exact same as the nameless diety, just he comes from a dying universe

[abstract hedge]

Nameless isn't a calamity thing. Xeroc (who Nameless is kinda based on) is though.

[visual cipher]

which is why he is underpowered compared to nameless

[pulsar ocean]

I am tho

[oblique mountain]

Also nobody answered my question

[wanton pendant]

What question?

[abstract hedge]

Theoretically yeah, but none we know of.

[oblique mountain]

If storm weaver, siggy, and ceaseless aren’t servants of the devourer then what are they to him

[visual cipher]

the AoE is attempting to combine his universe an ours, which would spell the destruction of our laws of physics. thats why ND helps stop him, as to maintain his universe

though the Nameless diety is less of a being and more of a vertical slice of the universe

[pulsar ocean]

Unrelated

[visual cipher]

a personification of the universes power, almost

[eager bluff]

lucille ended up changing noxus to aoe both to reduce connection to basecal and to free herself from designing it around something she didnt make on her own

[oblique mountain]

Then why is siggy called “envoy of the devourer”

[pulsar ocean]

Old lore

Not yet changed in game

[oblique mountain]

And why do we need to kill all 3 to make the cosmic worm

[eager bluff]

the devs didnt finish a rename

[pulsar ocean]

Old lore

[wanton pendant]

You don't.

[visual cipher]

probably not diangetic

[wanton pendant]

They haven't changed the name.

[strong compass]

I thought it was cool whyd they change it

[abstract hedge]

They all just happen to come from the same place/be related to it
Signus is from the distortion, ceaseless is a portal to the distortion, and storm weaver is just from the distortion iirc.
They used to be connected but that got retconned (which I don't personally like but whatever.)

[wanton pendant]

They're not affiliated.

[pulsar ocean]

Idksterling said so

[strong compass]

Fuck him

[visual cipher]

the lore is always being rewritten

[oblique mountain]

So their only relation is where they come from, with ceaseless being how the other three got here?

[wanton pendant]

This is not true.

[visual cipher]

idk, I guess nothing's cannon till the mod is done

[wanton pendant]

Yes to the first one, no to the second.

[eager bluff]

this is all like tech debt stuff thats only there because its been there for a very long time and hasnt been fixed yet

[visual cipher]

I'm being hyperbolic. God you are annoying

[abstract hedge]

Devourer can just go between, none of them came through ceaseless. SV came through a portal the DoG made iirc, and Signus is just able to go between.
Fun fact, Signus is still alive after your fight (at least is planned to be in the future).

[eager bluff]

the devs generally like to do related stuff all in one sweeping move iirc

which is why cosmic worms "standard" recipe hasnt been changed

[oblique mountain]

Siggy rematch? That’d be so cool

I love Signus

[wanton pendant]

There won't be a rematch.

You just don't kill the guy.

[abstract hedge]

No

[eager bluff]

no rematch he just runs off

[visual cipher]

are there any plans for that guy that was taken to the distortion by the devourer, but cut a deal with signus?

I forget his name

Him and one other nearly killed yahrim

[wanton pendant]

Statis will be how you fight Signus.

[eager bluff]

statis? yeah

[wanton pendant]

He'll have a questline.

[abstract hedge]

Which one? They're both gonna be added.

[eager bluff]

statis and braelor have stuff in the plans

[visual cipher]

oh really? I thought braelor had been killed in the distortion

[wanton pendant]

He's not dead.

[oblique mountain]

Aww man, it would be cool to rematch some bosses

[visual cipher]

is there a place I can go to see a collection of future plans?

[wanton pendant]

He's one of the most powerful beings alive.

[abstract hedge]

He's just still trapped there.

[wanton pendant]

Spoiler talk.

[visual cipher]

I see

[wanton pendant]

Don't start any arguments there.

[eager bluff]

theres a pinned doc in #calamity-update-talk

[abstract hedge]

You'll be able to free him and he'll be a town npc.

[visual cipher]

you act like i started the one here

[wanton pendant]

I don't believe that's the plan.

[abstract hedge]

Basically the plan is the fight is a deal between you two. It controls Statis and if you win it frees him, if you lose you become the next puppet/envoy/whatever (just lore stuff nothing ingame cause you just die).

[wanton pendant]

And no, respawning isn't canon.

[abstract hedge]

I swear it was. He'd be trapped and you can get him out then statis wanders around after you free him.

[wanton pendant]

Saving him I belive is the plan, but I don't think he nor Statis are going to be regular Town NPCs to my memory.

[abstract hedge]

Yeah no statis won't be a town npc

More like a wandering quest giver or whatever.

[eager bluff]

correct

[oblique mountain]

Would there at least be a cutscene of you being turned into the new Siggy?

[eager bluff]

no

[wanton pendant]

No.

[abstract hedge]

No

They don't do cutscenes or such.

[wanton pendant]

No, I think they do intend on adding cutscenes.

The issue is... you're dead.

[eager bluff]

yeah respawning is already technically a cutscene on its own iirc

and would be a bit annoying to work around

[oblique mountain]

I wish I had any lick of game development sense I’d make some of the things I thought of myself

[visual cipher]

If its cutscenes you want, infernum has plenty

[oblique mountain]

That’s why I play Infernum almost exclusively

[abstract hedge]

Fables also kinda has some for bosses spawning in.

[visual cipher]

Scal infernum is so fun

best boss

[wanton pendant]

Just learn C#.

[oblique mountain]

Did the abyss come before or after the god smoothie incident

[eager bluff]

before

[visual cipher]

smoothie?

the abyss was around for awhile

it didnt become the fucked-up-sea till later though

[wanton pendant]

It's been there for ages. Defies nature.

[eager bluff]

the abyss has been around since silva first got chucked in a hole under the beach

[wanton pendant]

So they put Nature into it.

[oblique mountain]

They got called the blended goddess so I call her a god smoothie

[abstract hedge]

Oh the Abyss existed before Silve got thrown into it.

I'm pretty sure.

[eager bluff]

it existed to an extent before silva first got thrown in

but she extended it further down iirc

[oblique mountain]

So Silva won’t ever appear in gameplay cus of the god pod

[eager bluff]

correct

[oblique mountain]

How does one join the calamity devs (I doubt I’d manage to get in lol, I don’t have many skills I’m just a kid with big ideas)

[eager bluff]

you get invited

[wanton pendant]

I don't know, they probably abduct you.

That seems to be the preferred method of doing things around here.

[eager bluff]

the path to invitation varies but usually it involves being an active community member while also doing generalized mod stuff

[oblique mountain]

Generalized mod stuff?

[wanton pendant]

Do you know C#?

[oblique mountain]

Nope

[wanton pendant]

I don't like your chances.

[eager bluff]

usually art for other mods or programming

[oblique mountain]

Oh

[eager bluff]

alternatively it can just be fan content you do art or music for rather than specifically mod things

[oblique mountain]

I could probably do something like that

[eager bluff]

i think thats how ennway got in initially

[oblique mountain]

How often would you say they look at suggestions?

[eager bluff]

whenever they get sent to dev from voting

[wanton pendant]

When they get voted for.

[eager bluff]

so usually like once a week but sometimes theres a citfix where cit or another dev just skips voting entirely and implements it immediately

[oblique mountain]

Just put a suggestion

Cus I had an idea

[quartz field]

You do. You need the 3 unique drops from each of their respective bosses as of right now.

[eager bluff]

no

theres an alt recipe

[wanton pendant]

No you don't.

[eager bluff]

theres been an alt recipe for years

been there for over 5 years

[quartz field]

How am I just learning this now lmao

I do find it interesting that it apparently warns you if you try to fight the DoG before defeating the sentinels first (at least according to the wiki). Probably also part of the old lore since it's been in for a while.

[eager bluff]

it in fact does not

that part was removed with sentinels phase dying because that warning was only there to warn you that during sentinels phase youd be fighting the regular boss rather than a nerfed version

[glacial rampart]

wait what

did sentinels phase work like fucking

breath of the wild blight ganons???

[magic epoch]

why did yharon make yharim do that?

[sinful adder]

Yes

Except instead of removing them vs not, it makes them weaker vs not

[split mortar]

Water wraith did you forget to mention the whole
Eidolon wyrm is equal to average auric dragon

[split mortar]

People complain saying that without being hyperbolic

[split mortar]

The terrarian is up to you

[split mortar]

How is yharim meant to know if moonlord healed or not
If moonlord did heal then uh oh you released the apocalypse
Also read the eidolon wyrm bestiary entry they are equal to the average auric dragon

[frank dune]

1765 3389 1774

[random mulch]

what we did was probably extremely reckless

i mean xeroc could probably take care of it if moonlord did heal, but still

[split mortar]

No matter what a lot of shit would get fucked if ml was healed

[real silo]

moob lord should've eaten all his army before touching down

[wanton pendant]

Nope.

[split mortar]

Wwg why do you exist

[wanton pendant]

Lore reasons.

[split mortar]

:california:

[dusk laurel]

wtf

[split mortar]

Wut

[dusk laurel]

california

[icy veldt]

The numbers, Mason! What do they mean?!

[frank dune]

sweep the backstreets

[crude musk]

where can I read old lore

I wanna properly spread misinformation

[long bloom]

there's a doc

[crimson junco]

Punch your table really hard that it kills 500 people in the same room

[long bloom]

one sec

[cloud ibex]

don't know of any place where it'd all be concisely gathered

[crude musk]

I heard there was a compilation doc

[long bloom]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14H0fmHigzvTxbQ1ipWOhD9bpN-49tN6cCs6Jb4QZRLw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[crude musk]

with all the bits and pieces

[long bloom]

behold

[cloud ibex]

other than backreading through wiki edit history i guess

[crude musk]

thank youuu

[lusty prairie]

Yharim is a Lizhard

I remember that tidbit

[crude musk]

From lihzard to lihzardist 💔

[cloud ibex]

that's old old lore

[long bloom]

ancient lore

[cloud ibex]

for the most part until the rewrite in '23 he was a human

[crimson junco]

Sepulcher is future DoG

[lusty prairie]

Yeah, I only know Calamity lore from 2017 and 2025+

Since those are the times I played it

[long bloom]

yharim being a lihzahrd was changed when these were still being drawn

[lusty prairie]

I know nothing of the old lore post 2017

[crude musk]

So yharim actually had more lore than just aura but it wasn't released?

Interesting

[long bloom]

huh?

[cloud ibex]

the old writers were working on redoing the lore

[crude musk]

Lmao

Old new lore

[cloud ibex]

but some of them were pretty vocal about disliking trying to write for something unfinished so they didn't focus as much on that as they did generally trying to improve the mod

[wanton pendant]

I did once have the 'amazing' idea about someone trying to remake Calamity (again) but basing it off of the old lore (touched up where needed).
Obviously, there are no possible issues with this and it's a perfectly sound idea.

[long bloom]

[crude musk]

Yharim doesn't break his arm anymore

I like how they gave the blood moon lore

Uh calamitas's backstory was kinda interesting but she had no reason to join yharim

You can really tell how disjointed old lore was

[wanton pendant]

Clearly the current Blood Moon lore is superior.
Which, of course, is the fact that the Moon's Haunted.
This is totally real, dude, trust me.

[real silo]

the blood moon is when the moon dragon gets bored and decides to paint her house jolly

[crude musk]

Was

[wanton pendant]

What?

[hoary cape]

It still is haunted

[split mortar]

[crude musk]

Moon lord was haunting it and now it's dead

Unless we get more moon lore

[pliant ruin]

No like by ghosts and shit

evil ghouls and wicked spirits

moon's evil

[split mortar]

Moons haunted theory is not that moonlord is on it

[pliant ruin]

moon's evil.

[dusk laurel]

the moon is evil its not in wordle

[icy veldt]

Dragons are evil. This is 100%-true objective fact

[wanton pendant]

Moons Haunted Theory... Moon Lord is not why it's haunted... Moon Lord lives because Moon's Haunted.

[real silo]

but cheese

The moon is YOU

[sacred loom]

reverse majora's mask

so long Moon is intact, he will return.

Always.

[wanton pendant]

What?

[pliant ruin]

True... we evil

[real silo]

weevil

[robust osprey]

cheese is evil

[robust osprey]

wtf I'm not the moon

[split mortar]

@burnt leaf

[real silo]

You are now

[burnt leaf]

tru im evil

[robust osprey]

oh okay

[tropic oak]

hi

[real silo]

🌝 this is u

[burnt leaf]

i throw rocks at ppl i dont like

[robust osprey]

turns into cheese

I'm moon now

[split mortar]

Y are yoh not terrarian pfp

[burnt leaf]

no that's me

odn't steal my identit

[tropic oak]

the cool dudes didnt vote me in cause im too cool for them

[robust osprey]

nitro's gone

[split mortar]

L

[robust osprey]

:c

[pulsar ocean]

Is sepulcher future dog

[split mortar]

You will be baked into a cake copy of horrible hog

[random mulch]

everyone who spreads falsehoods will be added to the hogolith

[balmy glacier]

hmmmm 🤔

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/1437268970200629259/sparkleoffitsthursday.gif

fuck

[random mulch]

it's tuesday

[balmy glacier]

you dont say :(

[dusk laurel]

There is a very special surprise Amidias would like to show you all.

[limpid saddle]

is he gonna show it

[pliant ruin]

He's already shown it

Look at the doc ggg

[dusk laurel]

scroll down the lore intro doc

theres a very special surprise

[limpid saddle]

oh thats terrible

[dusk laurel]

new amidias design btw!!!

thats it yes

no you wont get the real concept art from us

[split mortar]

Its the only thing public on the new amidias design

[reef nova]

The new Amidas design in question:

[dusk laurel]

No.

[wanton pendant]

...no.

[split mortar]

No

[wanton pendant]

That's the old, weak, feeble Amidias.

[dusk laurel]

Thats not even new 😭

[split mortar]

Thats some old af shit

[reef nova]

[split mortar]

Go check the amidias section of the lore doc

[limpid saddle]

how many dollars american do i gotta shovel into ozzies mouth to get access to 4k new amidas

[reef nova]

I would but docs just refuse to open on my phone

[zenith geode]

500 billion

[dusk laurel]

#calamity-update-talk message

[zenith geode]

lemme guess its calart

[split mortar]

No

[zenith geode]

well it isnt patreon unless its auric exclusive for some reason

[real silo]

can't even see it in caldev

[pulsar ocean]

changelog

[balmy glacier]

changelog

[split mortar]

What would happen if you grabbed every elemental and blended them into a slurry
What would emerge from that

[woeful hatch]

A very pissed off ball of mana

[balmy glacier]

leegrid chupa chups

[limpid saddle]

a big chunk of clay

[pulsar ocean]

Goozma

[frank dune]

sso tommorow

[pulsar ocean]

Fnaf reference

[pearl halo]

Xeroc liked pineapple pizza ?

[wanton pendant]

Stop.

[pearl halo]

:(

[balmy glacier]

??

[pulsar ocean]

You think italian brainrots were never invented in cal verse because Italy got nuked

[split mortar]

Is permafrost neurotypical

[wanton pendant]

I'm not a psychologist.

[young socket]

no

[split mortar]

Proof

[young socket]

hes the archmage

[wanton pendant]

Wow, are you saying neurotypical people can't be good at magic?
For shame.

[split mortar]

Other way wound tsuki saying neurodivergent cant be good at magic

[wanton pendant]

Are you sure about that?

[pulsar ocean]

What's the difference between a mage and a wizard

[split mortar]

Im dumb

[wanton pendant]

How gay they are.

[split mortar]

One casts with wisdom or charisma i forgot and the other is intelligence

[pulsar ocean]

Who's more gayer

[wanton pendant]

You'll have to learn magic and find out.

[pulsar ocean]

Permafrost is the straightest person I've met so probably wizards

[split mortar]

Thats the part we yet to figure out

[wanton pendant]

Trick question, witch is the not gay one.
Mage is bisexual.

Wizard is gay, of course.

[zenith geode]

mage and wizard, respectively

[pulsar ocean]

Is that an archmage or a beta mage

[young socket]

this is true

mages are pretty and or handsome

wizards are old and wise

[dusk laurel]

real and factual

[lusty prairie]

Not to be confused with Magician

Or witch

[wanton pendant]

Where's Sonic The Hedgehog?

[dusk laurel]

in your bones

[split mortar]

Tsuki
Permafrost is a mage

[young socket]

no no

hes an archmage

[pulsar ocean]

Where's shadow the hedgehog

[wanton pendant]

Point being?

[split mortar]

Mage but more

[young socket]

thats a different thing entirely

[split mortar]

Gay

[wanton pendant]

Ok, yes, we know, but what does that have to do with Permafrost?

[pulsar ocean]

I think yharim's crystal was left at yharon cuz yharim didn't have enough mana to ever properly cast it

[wanton pendant]

Yharim does have mana he just uses it to make his weights heavier when he's weightlifting.

[split mortar]

Ur gay?

[wanton pendant]

Uruguay?

[split mortar]

Wat

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

Why are you gay

[wanton pendant]

Because the Terrarian is YOU!

And YOU!

ARE!

TERRARIAN!

YOU!

IS!

YOU!

ARE!

[split mortar]

IM BISEXUAL

[wanton pendant]

AND YOU!

[split mortar]

Why is @wanton pendant gay

[balmy glacier]

h

[wanton pendant]

Source?

[split mortar]

^

[wanton pendant]

I fail to see the argument.

[split mortar]

I call you gay and you say yes

[wanton pendant]

No, I call you gay and then I call you gay.

[hybrid barn]

I mean, I'd argue Permafrost is pretty

[split mortar]

Gay

[pulsar ocean]

You're British

[pulsar ocean]

gay

[wanton pendant]

I will cook you and serve you to a wild pack of hyenas.

[hybrid barn]

Homoromantic

[split mortar]

Ok french

[pulsar ocean]

Bendy was a little devil thing

[wanton pendant]

I will remove your eyeballs and replace them with iron pyrite so people keep robbing you.

[dusk laurel]

btw nightmare marionette is an elder mimic

[split mortar]

What

[pulsar ocean]

Like the one from fnaf

[dusk laurel]

No.

[pulsar ocean]

Nightmarionne

[pulsar ocean]

Then what

[wanton pendant]

It means it's old.

[dusk laurel]

no it eats alot of water wraiths

too much dare i say

[split mortar]

Sorry im allergic to new fnaf lore wtf is vanillin on about

[wanton pendant]

Old.

[pulsar ocean]

My name is Edwin
I made the elder mimic

[dusk laurel]

nightmare marionette is not new fnaf lore 😭

[split mortar]

Mimics are

[dusk laurel]

fnaf did not invent the word

[pulsar ocean]

I think it did

[wanton pendant]

So you're saying it's the Mimic?

[split mortar]

Average calamity fan

[dusk laurel]

elder mimics are a vita carnis thing

[split mortar]

Oh

Havent watched that either

[dusk laurel]

you are not real

[pulsar ocean]

I think terrarian would lose to fnaf mimic

[wanton pendant]

I think.
Therefore.
I am.

[pulsar ocean]

cogito ergo sum

[wanton pendant]

Nerd.

[dusk laurel]

go look in a mirror

[wanton pendant]

Yes, it is an amazing sight.

[cosmic zenith]

Guess which SS Bestiary indirectly ponders over Yharim's character

If you manage to in 10 tries, I might give you all a spoiler

[hybrid barn]

Hmmmm...slithering death? Or whatever the timeless shores serpent thing is

[dusk laurel]

weve already seen slithering death's entry i believe

[hybrid barn]

Ah shoot, good point

[dusk laurel]

these are the ones weve seen so far

[woeful hatch]

Carrion swallower

[wanton pendant]

Well it's either something really important or some random ememy.

Bone Lee?

[pulsar ocean]

Carrion like the videogame

[woeful hatch]

Why would bone lee get a SS entry

[pulsar ocean]

Armored digger

[wanton pendant]

Because he's cool.

[hybrid barn]

It's an SS one specifically, which narrows things down

[wanton pendant]

Is it only new enemies?

[young socket]

do you mean a bestiary entry from the sunken sea, or a bestiary entry from the sunken sea update?

[split mortar]

Ah thats good

[hybrid barn]

nixing the O there implies they mean it's a Sunken Sea entity specifically, and not just generally a new one for the update as a whole

[young socket]

very two different things

[long bloom]

im guessing jellyghoul

[dusk laurel]

[hybrid barn]

Also my other guess would be...maybe the large form of the ghost bell

Not sure if it has a unique name or if it's just an adult ghost bell

[balmy glacier]

lazarus lampfish

[cosmic zenith]

Former

3 guesses down, 7 to go

[agile matrix]

can one use a guess to ask for a location or gameplay stage

[balmy glacier]

that be too easy

[agile matrix]

its not specific enough

[balmy glacier]

ill keep wasting guesses

king clam!

[balmy glacier]

stonecrest hydra?

[agile matrix]

i dont think abyss enemies would have that, since they're seperate from it

the sunken sea IS directly affected by his action, but they dont indirectly ponder his character

its just his sin

[balmy glacier]

i guess?
but what if one particular ss creature makes him ponder over his character

5 guesses :/

i zont even need to wait for a response

[hybrid barn]

Wait, can someone repost the image with all the new sunken sea enemies? I lost that one when I switched laptops

If not...then I think my next best guess is Hermititan

[split mortar]

^

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

That'd be free

Besides, all SS mobs are either preboss or HM - and HM ones were left for P2

[pliant ruin]

Kelpie seaxrafon

[hoary cape]

Clearly it's cheese that's got yharim stuff in her bestiary

[lusty prairie]

It's probably gonna be a mob new to the update

[pliant ruin]

@cosmic zenith k3lpie seadrwvon

[hoary cape]

Hermititan

Is it hermi or Herma

I forgor

[dusk laurel]

not in sso1

[hoary cape]

Oh?

Uh it's obviously @dusk laurel's bestiary entry

[dusk laurel]

wtf

[dusk laurel]

yeah its in sso2 apparently because of a couple things

[hoary cape]

What?

[hoary cape]

Crabulon?

[dusk laurel]

thats one of the reasons i think

the other reason is that its also connected to another enemy that was moved into sso2

[hoary cape]

Your name is close enough to DS

So you count

[hybrid barn]

Also I moreso meant the list that has all of the entities they're adding in the biome, I kind of forgot the names of a lot of them

[pliant ruin]

PEARLPOD

[cosmic zenith]

4 guesses left

3

[pliant ruin]

PODOBOO KOI

[cosmic zenith]

2

[balmy glacier]

oh my god 😭
now im desperate

[young socket]

cheese wait stop

[balmy glacier]

cnidrion!

[young socket]

think about it

[limpid saddle]

are there only the illmeran shadows or are there other illmeran ghost enemies

[young socket]

its probably something in timeless shores

[pliant ruin]

BARACK OBAMA

[cosmic zenith]

I'm not gonna count minibosses

[balmy glacier]

Noooooo!!!!!

[cosmic zenith]

Don't be rash

[pliant ruin]

They arent enemie s

[limpid saddle]

interactables

[balmy glacier]

okay 2 guesses left

[limpid saddle]

things that are there

anyway are there more than one type

[pliant ruin]

Theres jrllyghoils but its not those

[young socket]

does anyone have the image

the sunken sea npc image

[dusk laurel]

like

all of the enemies?

[pliant ruin]

umm ummm um

Ummmm

[young socket]

yea

[pliant ruin]

PRISMBACK

[balmy glacier]

pulse raptor looks like a hot choice

[pliant ruin]

It cant be

[young socket]

NO WAIT STOP

[pliant ruin]

Hardmode, pt 2

[balmy glacier]

flip

[dusk laurel]

pulse raptor doesnt count so we have

1 more guess

[pliant ruin]

Stip hasnt reacted ywt

[young socket]

plea se

[hybrid barn]

Oh my god- I didn't even realize the fat fucks were for this mod 😭

[pliant ruin]

I coild b3 right

Weve literally already asked like

Everything on timeless shores

[young socket]

no u havent

u havent said a single thing from there

😭

[pliant ruin]

Scroll u0

Up

[hybrid barn]

We as a collective at least

[young socket]

yall said jellyghoul, an entry we already have

😭

[hybrid barn]

I said slithering death

[long bloom]

how are you guys still talking about this

[hybrid barn]

We haven't guessed it yet

[young socket]

slithering death doesnt count

[pliant ruin]

LOST SHOAL

[balmy glacier]

sharkoon

fuck im late:/

[dusk laurel]

its over

[pliant ruin]

THE NETHER

[dusk laurel]

were cooked

[hybrid barn]

Welp, there goes our last guesses, let's hope for the best-

[pliant ruin]

CHICKEN JOCKEY

[dusk laurel]

cheese im gonna KILL YOU.

[balmy glacier]

no spoilers for us today

[long bloom]

FLINT AND STEEL

[hybrid barn]

we can't be sure, those messages haven't gotten reactions yet

[hybrid barn]

Venus might be busy eating Kiri's electrons

[lusty prairie]

✅

[hoary cape]

Snailord

Is the an sso2 one

[long bloom]

rest in peace snailrook
2025-2025

[hoary cape]

What happened to snailrook

[long bloom]

no clue

but it hasn't been mentioned in months

[hoary cape]

Found dead in the alleyway

Xzier is the prime suspect

[long bloom]

i asked triangle and he said he already answered but i couldn't find the original message

[hybrid barn]

Wait, there was a Snailrook?

[dusk laurel]

deported to sso2

[split mortar]

Your depravity shall not ruin him again

[hoary cape]

Amidias when he gets transported to FNAF 4 and becomes Nightmare

Amidias also looks like he is gonna beat you up

[hybrid barn]

Y'know, I was so distracted by the fat fuck that I didn't even realize how much else had changed since I last saw this

Jellyghouls, Haunted Chum, and Carrion Swallower got redesigned, Gully Olm, Sunken Scourge, and Slithering Death presumably are as well- and the Prismback looks weirdly...prismless

And what's a Ringed Beholder?

[dusk laurel]

octopus enemy

[hybrid barn]

Huh!

[long bloom]

prismback is wip btw

it shall be recrystaled

[hybrid barn]

Ahhhhh nice

[hybrid barn]

I'm wondering something, was the Sunken Sea's lore always that it was a larger sea before it was lightly simmered on top by Calamitas?

[wanton pendant]

It technically was never a sea.

It was a massive underground reservoir.

The difference? Semantics.

[long bloom]

the desert djinns predate ilmeris

so it was dry in ancient times

[hybrid barn]

Because I've been thinking about how cool it is lorewise that it's called the Sunken Sea, but it was never sunken, that part was always there and the desert on top used to just be more of it

But then I started wondering if maybe it used to actually just be an underground sea cavern in older lore

[dusk laurel]

my very real and true headcanon is that someone got bored one day and redirected a river to flow into the underground desert trillions of years ago and thats why its there

[hybrid barn]

Pff- perfect

[long bloom]

it's true i was there

[hybrid barn]

Like those people that dig small canals between random rivers and the ocean

[cosmic zenith]

1 more

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

You ran out of chances

[split mortar]

FUCK

[cosmic zenith]

It's Shoreskipper :)

[wanton pendant]

I knew it.

[dusk laurel]

omfg its yuep4.gif

[balmy glacier]

but how?!?!?
freaky pogfish

[cosmic zenith]

Yes
Freaky pogfish's Bestiary entry goes over an aspect of Yharim's character

[hybrid barn]

"The Shoreskipper is an interesting specimen, the expression that's glued on its face is coincidentally the same one I made when the sea was being sunken"

[balmy glacier]

but the question still remains, what did yharim find so appealing about it? except for comedically large pog expression

[wanton pendant]

The Bestiary is not from Yharim's perspective.

[cosmic zenith]

This

[balmy glacier]

:/

[hybrid barn]

Wait right, my bad

[pulsar trellis]

add shoreskipper lore item just to comedically overanalyze the pog face

[lusty prairie]

Why did the original god with the world soul do this?

[split mortar]

What original god what

[wanton pendant]

...there is no original god with the world soul.
Well, if there is, I have never heard of him.

[lusty prairie]

I'm kind of joking

[split mortar]

The thing that had the world soul was the world that was its soul and we have no proof that was sapient ir even sentient and just kinda broke one day

[wanton pendant]

I know Yharon knocked it off of its world soul holding place. I just can't prove it.

[lusty prairie]

Pictured: Yharon breaking the world soul, circa -2 trillion (Azafurian Calender)

[pearl halo]

shocking images

[north root]

i can't believe YHARON brutally murdered the Dragon of Terraria (canon name ||Tigiderius||) and split his Yharical soul into the yhars of Auric

[wanton pendant]

Dude stop leaking stuff.

[north root]

i'm pretty sure all the devs agreed in ||the secret server|| that all leaks are allowed and if you don't leak 100 times per day you get banned from tmodloader

[wanton pendant]

Only one of them said that, and we killed 'em for it.

That reminds me, when is the funeral?

[agile matrix]

does it mention how the shoreskipper and yharim share at least some quality, but doesnt reference yharim by name

like “these beasts plunge into the sand before leaping out at prey. they seem to have an allure to larger prey, and will stop at nothing to try and bring them down”

or is it a different kinda vibe

[long sand]

is the profaned core item like acutally provis core or just disconnected summoning item

[plucky juniper]

no, but i think it has special relevance to providence

this is actually tied to the rework of night provi's condition

apparently without it, providence is weaker

and since you have it...

[cosmic zenith]

🤐

[north root]

shoreskipper more like loreskipper

[plucky juniper]

stipulate

[light linden]

hmmm

just had a thought, y'all think draedon messed around with particle accelerators?

[split mortar]

Its the core of the guardians

[agile matrix]

he presumably has multiple

thats like asking if oppenheimer messed around with particle physics

yea they very likely did

(not intended rdely)

rudely*

[thick slate]

i mean hes messed around with nuclear physics

i assume he also messed around with particle physics as well

[agile matrix]

preciesly

[split mortar]

Id be very surprised if not
Wait how was thanatos made

[pulsar ocean]

H9w did draedon come up with the names for exos

[agile matrix]

artemis and apollo are the twins of a lot of things in greek mythology, and both are famed archers

ares is the greek god of war, and therefore was the title of his biggest and deadliest mech gets that

thanatos is the god of death

their letters also align to their other titles

[long bloom]

waitwaitwait

what if draedon gave the exos actual names so the terrarian didn't get to

[pliant ruin]

oh my god

[agile matrix]

no i do believe he named them properly

for command lines

[split mortar]

Wait did others not think that

[long bloom]

but they already have designations

[pliant ruin]

He didn't give a name to the hallowed mechs as far as we know, atleast nothing beyond HF, HS-01 and such

[agile matrix]

X - denotes Exo
S/F/M - denotes what soul mech they are based on
Greek God - Title

[long bloom]

yes but the regular mechs didn't have titles

[agile matrix]

also he doesnt know we name things shittily until AFTER we defeat his mechs

since we name the greatest substance ever Miracle Matter

[pliant ruin]

Counterargument

It would be really funny

[split mortar]

Do we tell draedon about the hallowed mech names? Dont think so

[agile matrix]

did he majorly care abt those

[pliant ruin]

Plus he's been observing us

[long bloom]

well he already knows by the time draetalk happens

[pliant ruin]

Who's to say he didn't catch the Terrarian who is You randomly spouting MY GREATEST ENEMY THE SKELETRON PRIME ‼️

[agile matrix]

like i feel like thats comparing a mechanics work to their beloved motorcycle

it WOULD be quite funny to hear him just

very calmly go “Shit.”

and quickly name them

[pliant ruin]

Skeletron Omega, the Obliterator and Retinazinator and Spazmatismega have been averted

[split mortar]

Draedon malding throughout all of hardmode and post moonlord due to our names

[long bloom]

true

[split mortar]

😭

Perfect names wym

[agile matrix]

Cadavernor, Nyct and Sol, and The Really Big Worm were great names but the terrarian cant name for shit

[pulsar ocean]

Can kratos beat Xeroc the hedgehog

[split mortar]

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6-7 weeks til sso right

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Very fucking optimistic a guess that is

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imagine conquering gods and your title is a mere earth biome

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Whaur

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"the jungle tyrant"

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Thats

Outdated

By years

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still funni

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Doesnt mean its real anymore

His title now is the godseeker

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😔

cant even have silliness in here

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1984 reference?

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Havent read that

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eh do you like dystopian books?

you can also read animal farm which is the kids version of basically the same thing

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Havent read much books so idk

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ignorance is a bliss

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Cuz he seeks gods?

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🤯

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I know right

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Look if ANYTHING it'd be an animal farm reference wouldn't it

Why would it be a 1984 reference

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Just because it uses animals it doesn't mean it's a kid's version

And they're different

Both are about dictatorial government systems but that's where it ends

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its a lighter version with way less realism

one is about how the system is established

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other is on a already way established worldwide system

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I've never read 1984 but this is literally 1984

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true

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You think people back in 1984 called everything a 1984 reference

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they were probably unable to read the book

political reasons

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Animal farm's main message is how even people championing for revolution can easily settle into power and just become the same thing as the system everyone was set to overthrow

1984 tells of a dystopian world and how it suppresses and breaks its citizens and manipulates them

Yes, both have themes of government

But one is not just a less realistic and lighter version of the other

They're different messages that go together

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doesnt change the fact that animal farm is still lighter, even not on exact same theme

it gives you a grasp on the idea of how the socialism can go wrong

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and 1984 is a perfect situation where it did go wrong.

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-_- i was just trying to make them read a book bro

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Well, while the book does talk about Ingsoc, which is a "socialist" party in origin, it is more of a critique of authoritarian regimes in general

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That's a good endeavor, but don't mislead them into thinking one and the other say the same thing

Instead of making them read one book, let them read both, before they read one and think the other says the same

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well yeah, but there really isnt any authoritatarian regime other than ingsoc during the books time as long as i remember?

well except monarchy

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dang ts is NOT calamity lore bro 💔

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guys htis is NOT calamity lore. guys

its me cheese

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ok melongun

drop the horrible hog lore

im ngl i still genuinely hope its bestiary entry is something stupid like its name being highligted in red for no reason and then the bestiary entry is just

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Hog

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his name is red because he wants to fucking kill you

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Horrible

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Yeah i hope the pigs are just

Meme entries

Hog is red and it does want to kill you so it is true

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horrible hog entry

he's green for an amazing reason

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This HORRIBLE HOG is red because it wants yo kill you

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Horrible hog bestiary portrait slowly increases in size while is open

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also i hope to god that one day gloomborf gets a mention ingame because itll be so funny

perfect closure to my arc of making gloomborf real

random lore booklet talking about auric dragons or slime god or smth and gloomborf namedrop there

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This piggy is bad and wants to eat you

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The hog, it is horrible

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The worst of the warthogs, it will murder you

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you kill a horrible hog and it drops a lore whisper

it just says