lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

I'M NOT NORTHERN!

For the parties.

[north root]

irish wet ghost strongly denies being NORTHERN, after recent assertation that he is not nonbinary

[thick slate]

build a big spring under sweden and launch it into the moon

[mighty zenith]

can you be normal

[wanton pendant]

Please don't call me a wet ghost, that just sounds strange.

[thick slate]

dry bones

[hoary cape]

be normal said users name: stupid gun

[wanton pendant]

Peak.

[north root]

are you a wet ghost or are you a dry bones

[hoary cape]

yah i don't think so

everyones bones are wet

[thick slate]

my arent

[mighty zenith]

moist corpse

[thick slate]

i dry them all the time

[mighty zenith]

actually no that sounds strange

[thick slate]

why

[mighty zenith]

how did we get here

[dusk laurel]

can we get a full reset

[hoary cape]

actually are your bones even wet because all the blood is in tubes

[north root]

water wraith gaming is named water wraith gaming

[thick slate]

if my lithium ion battery explodes and kills me ill be upset

[split mortar]

You have known me for like over a year

You know the answer

[hoary cape]

telling a user named stupid gun to be normal sounds counter productive

[thick slate]

not all of it

bones make blood

[mighty zenith]

great point

[split mortar]

NO

[thick slate]

also muscles are wet

[mighty zenith]

ok have fun rayse im gonna go sleep

[north root]

the entire body is dry until you take it out

[split mortar]

Are your bones moist enough to be healthy

[hoary cape]

melon gun's bones are wet it's why he became stupid

[wanton pendant]

What the hell are you all talking about?

[north root]

they/ the m

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

Not

[thick slate]

make sure to water ur bones so they grow

[split mortar]

He

They them

[split mortar]

True

[wanton pendant]

Pomegranates.

[north root]

you shouldn't have named yourself after such a controversial pikmin enemy

[hoary cape]

ah yah sorry i checked your profile to make sure i got the pronouns right and didn't see them sorry

[thick slate]

they should get rid of pronouns

nobody refers to anyone

[hoary cape]

i am stupid

[north root]

no pronouns except I/Me/Myself should exist

[split mortar]

Everyone is at times

[thick slate]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Finally opposing the woke... uh... wokes.

[hoary cape]

my pronouns are exist existent

[north root]

my pronouns aren't

[thick slate]

you said my

[hoary cape]

most times for me

[thick slate]

no times for me

[wanton pendant]

Blood is in the bones. It's made there. Bones are blood factories.

[hoary cape]

how do you all feel about me calling veins and arteries tubes lol

[thick slate]

its what they are

i call them tubes

or vessels

[hoary cape]

vampire's straws

[thick slate]

wires

organise them

[hoary cape]

we really are all robots

flesh robots

[thick slate]

weve come full circle

this means garbo likes flesh

[hoary cape]

we do run on electricity afterall

[north root]

tubes or threebes

maybe even fourbes

[hoary cape]

i typed that out, but you stole it

i am suing you for stealing my thought

[icy veldt]

Mana is also in the bones

[thick slate]

among other things

[hoary cape]

electrical signals are how our body communicates

[icy veldt]

So if you remove, I dunno, Permafrost's or Calamitas's skeleton, that would remove their ability to use magic

[thick slate]

and hormones

[icy veldt]

I run on Pervitin

[thick slate]

you do

[hoary cape]

drugs

[thick slate]

im supposed to take amphetamines

to lock in

[hoary cape]

i forgor those were stimulants for adhd and what not

[wanton pendant]

'And when he woke up, his skeleton was gone!'
'...anyway, that's how I lost my medical license.'

[hoary cape]

well and regular stimulants uses i guess

[thick slate]

crazy how similar organic molecules can be

[icy veldt]

Aimo Koivunen

[hoary cape]

i took a stimulant once because i was diagnosed with adhd, but it didn't go well and now i question my entire diagnosis after i tried to get a newer one lol

[thick slate]

i take depressants

anyway check this out isnt it so cool

so similar

[hoary cape]

this is why you don't take adderall

[split mortar]

Ok but what do they do differently im not a molecule engineer

[thick slate]

adderal is secretly meth and made by the government and kills you

[thick slate]

adderal make you lock in

meth make you lock in but in a fun way

[hoary cape]

i would have rejected meds anyway even if they perscribed me them the second time (instead i got told i couldn't get a diiagnosis after they only did one test, it wasn't even them it was an online one they sent me like 2 weeks before 😭)

[split mortar]

Oh damn

[thick slate]

adderal is a prescribed medication for people with adhd

we made it in class

from scratch

[spring helm]

They’re both stimulants

[hoary cape]

so is ritilin

[thick slate]

yummy ritilin

[hoary cape]

or however it's spelt

[thick slate]

ritalin

[hoary cape]

all i know is whichever one i took for a week made me a jerk lol

[thick slate]

yea ritalin usually bad

and its addictive

truly incredible

[hoary cape]

so is adderall

[thick slate]

yea but ritalin is worse

apples and oranges whatever

[icy veldt]

Would be useful for combat

[split mortar]

You are a drug

Get banned in most countries

[icy veldt]

Popcorn is a drug?!

[thick slate]

just inject yourself with an epipen

[split mortar]

Specifically popcorn1233

[thick slate]

epipen injects epinephrine

[icy veldt]

Take an entire patrol group's worth of Pervitin

[thick slate]

which is ur fight or flight hormone

[hoary cape]

for some reason i thought you responded to taylor with that melon lol

drugs are in terraria

they are canon

[thick slate]

alc

(short for alcohol if ur new to the stream)

[hoary cape]

was gonna say that ain't a drug

but it technically is

[thick slate]

is coffee in the game

[hoary cape]

yes

you can buy it from the merchant in an ice biome iirc

[thick slate]

rhey should add cigarettes to calamity

[hoary cape]

10% chance to get cancer

[thick slate]

i smoke a pack before a fight

they should add chemo to calamity

im such a good ideas guy

[icy veldt]

I bet the Godseeker Knights had their own form of Pervitin

[hoary cape]

yharim has drugs named after him

[thick slate]

godseeker knights do meth before battle

godtweaker

[thick slate]

fr

i wonder whats in those

[hoary cape]

everything

[thick slate]

yea

all the stimulants

[hoary cape]

it's got like 56 ingredients

[thick slate]

where is yharims depressants and it just kills you

[hoary cape]

nah we build different

yharim depressents are just his life

[thick slate]

nightmare blunt rotation
yharim
pbg
signus
dog
providence

[icy veldt]

I bet Provi could get high on catnip

[thick slate]

does she even have a nose

[split mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264760793510055957/1330189958513954919/ProviIdle.gif

No

[dusk laurel]

they/the
m

[thick slate]

become god but you cant do drugs

[split mortar]

No not that gif

[icy veldt]

She will when I biomancy-inate her into a different form

[thick slate]

make sure to give her the right receptors

the cat ones

[icy veldt]

I will give her cat almost-everything

[thick slate]

cuz it catnip no work on humans

[split mortar]

I dont think normal biomancy will work on provi prob gonna need a mix of that and rock magic

[icy veldt]

Lithomancy?

[thick slate]

catnip is kinda weird if you know what it actually is

[icy veldt]

Weed for cats, except instead it makes them... uh... yeah anyway

[thick slate]

sure

its nothing like weed

smh

just cause its a green plant sorta thing

[icy veldt]

All plants look the same to me

[thick slate]

plantcist

[icy veldt]

Never getting into the biomancy club at this rate 😔

[thick slate]

cant spell racist without cis

[icy veldt]

Confederacy of Independent Systems

[thick slate]

yep

[wanton pendant]

Erm, they're called dryads.

[icy veldt]

Dryad club

[agile matrix]

is primordial light more effective than solar in terms of paneling/dyson sphering

[thick slate]

probably

but its also smaller

[abstract hedge]

Isn't the sun made of primordial light, so they'd be the exact same thing?

[agile matrix]

in terms of irl solar panelling or the same solar panel but against primordial light

[abstract hedge]

Probably similar or the same?

I doubt the lore writers have thought that out.

[wanton pendant]

Well one is magic, so write that down.

[abstract hedge]

Real physics might aswell be magic so I don't think that affects much.

[wanton pendant]

The difference is that physics can be somewhat explained while Primordial Light is an enigmatic primordial force with little concrete information.

Anyway, the sun in Calamity is smaller and colder than the real one, but a hell of a lot closer.

[abstract hedge]

Oh yeah it's smaller and colder, I don't think that'd affect solar energy much but I'm not a scientist or anything and it doesn't really matter.

[wanton pendant]

...you know that heat is a form of energy, right?

And if it makes less heat...

[pliant ruin]

hi lore discussion

[wanton pendant]

Hello Supreme from Sonic Frontiers.

[pliant ruin]

I was gonna say

[dusk laurel]

hai cheese

[pliant ruin]

If PL can be used as a energy source amybe mana in general could be used as it too

[young socket]

cheese mod

[pliant ruin]

but then i remembered it literally can yeah exo prissmk exsit

[pliant ruin]

hi scoogilin

[dusk laurel]

wtf...

[wanton pendant]

What if you could like, channel it into a staff or a book and shoot it at your enemies. That would be cool I think.

[dusk laurel]

anytime i hear the words mana in a terraria context i think of how much i despise the mana flower and its bloodline

[pliant ruin]

Would mana count as a clean energy source, i'm pretty sure it would

[dusk laurel]

i think so?

[pliant ruin]

Azafure is washed bro they couldve just used mana and those mfers were out there polluting everything

[dusk laurel]

hey at least we got the sulphurous sea

[abstract hedge]

Assuming it regenerates or is infinite then it'd at least be renewable.

[dusk laurel]

an awesome place

[abstract hedge]

Not sure about it being clean though.

[young socket]

depends on how the mana is used probably

[wanton pendant]

Don't you mean chlorophyllline?

[pliant ruin]

polluting the atmosphere by burning mana fuels

magically rupturing the ozone layer

[dusk laurel]

what...

[young socket]

specifically using brimstone magic just because i fucking hate the environment

[pliant ruin]

necromancy does have some very Not Good effects on the enviroment so that's something

[young socket]

cremation is probably very popular

[wanton pendant]

I mean, we do know mana can be environmentally dangerous.

[pliant ruin]

imagine using necromancy on petroleum to revive the little glupshit prehistoric bacterias that its made out of

[wanton pendant]

Why doesn't Yharon do that? Is he stupid?

[pliant ruin]

Realistically i don't think that'd work because i'm pretty sure they died like way too fucking long ago to have any semblance of a soul left in there but

It'd be funny

go my horde of. necromantic oil bacterias

[wanton pendant]

New idea: Calamitas necromancies a T-Rex.

I'm sure the devs will love this suggestion for the boss fight.

[warm gull]

blurg

[jaunty wraith]

Okay I could just be thinking way to hard about this

This says there has not been an instance of someone acending 3 times... but it's never said anything about nobody acending twice

[wanton pendant]

I wrote that, so what's your question?

I see.

Uh...

If there are, we don't know who it is, maybe it wasn't ruled out. I know thrice is certainly something that never happened.

I think if I'm remembering right it might have happened, but whoever did it is almost certainly dead.

But it might not have.

I don't have great memory.

[tropic oak]

[jaunty wraith]

It wouldnt be to out of the question if it was attempted at somepoint.

Theres alot of power hungry characters here who may be foolish enough to try that

[wanton pendant]

Or maybe I'm confusing myself with my own semantics.

[jaunty wraith]

And then when that god did, they suffered horribly and the other gods were like:

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but if someone did it, then others would learn about it, and probably not attempt.

Thus preventing it happening thrice.

Since that would basically kill 'you'.

Since you're now a monstrous amalgamation.

AND ANOTHER GOD DAMN HIVE MIND PROBABLY.

[jaunty wraith]

This could lead to some intresting fanmade ideas

[wanton pendant]

Great, I just remembered that I thought about someone coming to that conclusion.

And I didn't change it because I was like, it's probably fine.

[dusk laurel]

[wanton pendant]

So the moral of the story is that we need to cite our sources.

[glacial rampart]

I remember i had an idea for a Chimera god that consumed multiple souls and then i never made it gg

[wanton pendant]

Or else I forget why I wrote things.

So now I can't explain my word choices and cause needless confusion.

So, the truth.
Draedon is actually Yharim after time travelling and becoming mecha-Yharim.
This is totally real and I didn't make it up.

[wanton pendant]

Source:

[jaunty wraith]

I have my own silly headcanon about draedon

I think the dead scientest that made draedon was daedalus, a figure in the old lore.

Draedon isnt that far off name wise, and daedalus was primaraly in the tundra, and where did draedon conviently awaken? the tundra

[wanton pendant]

...mods kill them before they spread the truth too far.

[dusk laurel]

alot of people (me included) headcanon this too

i just want to believe its true

[jaunty wraith]

Actually I watched an old video on daedalus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gPipnDZvWg

Theres alot that lines up,

Granted it cant be true through a few contridictions (Draedon meeting daedalus being the biggest one)

[eager bluff]

its a very popular theory

its never gonna be confirmed or denied because it doesnt matter but its canon compliant

[wanton pendant]

...first I've heard of it.

[eager bluff]

yeah because this channel is barely lore at the best of times

[dusk laurel]

newgen smh my head

[jaunty wraith]

Unless theres anything that contridicts it, I'm gonna headcannon that dead body is daedalus

[eager bluff]

there isnt anything that contradicts it and there isnt anything that confirms it

[wanton pendant]

I believe that the origin of Draedon will intentionally be left a mystery.

Not like it changes much. He can't even remember.

[eager bluff]

its entirely possible that it is, its entirely possible that it isnt, as i said the answer will never be confirmed or denied

[faint totem]

What kind of literature would calamity characters read

[wanton pendant]

Yharim reads military history and strategy books. He has read The Art of War cover to cover at least twenty times. A year.

[eager bluff]

yharim reads dragon ball and nothing else

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost reads magic tomes, but for recreation he reads fantasy probably.

[faint totem]

I was gonna say Yharim reads the art of war ya

[wanton pendant]

Yharon reads Marvel Comics.

DoG reads romance.

[faint totem]

Draedon writes

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas reads DC Comics.

Draedon reads 'How to do X for Dummies' and nothing else.

[eager bluff]

as much as people talk about the art of war being super good its very much a product of its time because a lot of the advice there is really really basic stuff

[faint totem]

What like “shoot the boat”?

Amadias reads history books

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.
The nobility (who led armies) were all idiots.

[eager bluff]

shoot the boat, if you think youll lose then dont do that, your troops fight better when they have food, etc etc

[wanton pendant]

They NEEDED the basic stuff explained to them.

[faint totem]

Damn

[wanton pendant]

So when Sun Tzu says 'If you don't think you'll win a fight, don't fight', yeah, duh, but he's writing for idiots who don't connect the dots.

[eager bluff]

its really really basic things and absolutely not a comprehensive military theory book so i dont think yharim would even give it the time of day

[wanton pendant]

You never want to forget the basics.

[eager bluff]

if yharim is a worldwide threat to every god and is super effective at killing them he would not need to read the most basic of basics 20 times a year

thats like saying einstein reads books of preschool math problems 20 times a year to not forget the basics

[wanton pendant]

I also said the Devourer of Gods spends his free time reading romance novels.

[faint totem]

He would tho.

[wanton pendant]

So I may have been, I believe the term is 'flanderising' the characters a little.

[eager bluff]

i mean yeah he would

[young socket]

xeroc has been watching one piece for over 800 years

it still isnt over yet

[plucky juniper]

infallible?

that

[wanton pendant]

Infallible.

[faint totem]

That is actually the name. After Ned Flanders

[wanton pendant]

Means he's never wrong.

[faint totem]

Inflatable

[plucky juniper]

that doesnt work in that context

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, because he got more exaggerated as the series went on.

[wanton pendant]

It does.

[glacial rampart]

why do you make all of your messages grammatically incorrect by adding a period at the end

[faint totem]

Yeah

[plucky juniper]

did the writer intend to say "invaluable"

[wanton pendant]

No.

[plucky juniper]

"His assistance to Yharim's Crusade was infallible,"

[faint totem]

It can’t be denied

[wanton pendant]

Infallible.
Because Draedon being a supercomputer with legs was always useful and his contributions weren't mistakes.
Well, until the incident.

Are you going to go up to him and tell him his strategy isn't good?

[plucky juniper]

so, it was fallible

it makes more sense to just say "invaluable"

[eager bluff]

his assistance to yharims crusade was always effective

[wanton pendant]

I think you're getting far too caught up in semantics.

[eager bluff]

also no pbg wasnt even for the army

[glacial rampart]

💀

[eager bluff]

it was a side project

[plucky juniper]

this is reasonable semantics

[glacial rampart]

words mean things

[eager bluff]

so yeah his assistance was infallible

[plucky juniper]

still, i think it makes more sense to write "Invaluable" here

[wanton pendant]

Still gives a different impression.
Loses the emphasis on how calculating he is.

[pliant ruin]

Hi. No she dosen't. ok bye

Unless it's one of the good ones of course

[glacial rampart]

what the fuck cheese mod

[pliant ruin]

Most of them aren't but there's a few good ones

[wanton pendant]

Batman!
Like, it has Batman!
What's the downside!

[safe otter]

What are you guys talking about right now?

[north root]

it's over chat. the newgens discovered the True Lore.

[agile matrix]

not bird enough, make him a pterosaur

[plucky juniper]

dear god

(honestly we need more triceratops bird combinations)

[crude musk]

You're forgetting something

Dog can't read

[limpid saddle]

heard the word irish while checking up on what i missed neurons were activated & im somewhat disappointed by what i unveiled

[sinful adder]

No way

[sinful adder]

It was technically not flawed. He did everything basically perfectly. He just also had no morals and eventually finally did something yharim (who has fucked up morals, but not none) hated

[visual kiln]

arent u a newgen

[thick slate]

gen alpha

[warm gull]

I'm a new generation

give me apple ipad

[pearl halo]

Did somebody said lore

[split mortar]

Yes

[lusty prairie]

no

[split mortar]

Read the documents

[wheat walrus]

Dang so they kidnapped you to being a mod again

[split mortar]

Cheese why are you a mod

Why did you want this

[pliant ruin]

for one i can do this

[real silo]

cheese you should start abusing your powers

[pliant ruin]

Now someone put it in a translator

[split mortar]

AWhatda fuck

[real silo]

what the guck

[wheat walrus]

What language is that

[split mortar]

Idk

[wheat walrus]

I assume chinese

Anyways gimme the text

I'm on mobile,,,

[split mortar]

So am i

[wheat walrus]

Cheese

[wheat walrus]

Give us the texts

[split mortar]

Sob

[wheat walrus]

Ci dia le scritture Sau del Ron

[split mortar]

What the fuck this mean

[woeful hatch]

Meanwhile google translate tells me it says "Oh, I love you..."

[wheat walrus]

flames

[split mortar]

So am i an ai generated fart or not

[pliant ruin]

I put it in a chinese translator

[wheat walrus]

Which one

[pliant ruin]

itsw supposed to mean Terrarian You what the fuck is This

[split mortar]

😭

[woeful hatch]

Dawg

[pliant ruin]

😭 ?????????????

[woeful hatch]

Two translators

Two different fucking translations

None of which is even close

[wheat walrus]

Freaky gun

[pliant ruin]

Ok actually this one is funnier

[split mortar]

I DIDNT NAME MYSELF THAT

[real silo]

Chinese translation

Melon gun confession

[pliant ruin]

melon gun loves the terrarian

don't you have a boyfriend

maybe he's the real terrarian

[woeful hatch]

Melongun loves YOU

[split mortar]

Yes

[real silo]

this is so 1984pilled

Melon gun is watching

[pliant ruin]

its still so funny to me how ive seemingly popularized gloomborf so much that at this point everyone is treating it as canon and nobody is contesting it

Like i'm pretty sure it genuinely is just the real name at this point

[split mortar]

If we gaslight the community enough it will be real

THE FUCK IS MY NAME NOW

[pliant ruin]

1 day im gonna see gloomborf mention in the mod itself in a random lore entry talking about slime god

and ill weep tears of joy

[woeful hatch]

It's just Terrarian is you but in Spanish

[pliant ruin]

we made it gloombros

[split mortar]

Ah ok

[pliant ruin]

gloombrofs

[woeful hatch]

泰拉瑞安就是你

According to google translate this would be Terraria is you

According to my other translator this means Terra Ryan is you

[pliant ruin]

TERRA RYAN

🔥

[woeful hatch]

New name for the Terrarian

Terra Ryan

[pliant ruin]

Name's Ryan............ Terra Ryan. 🔥 ✍️

[wheat walrus]

哦伊艾艾诶艾艾诶艾儿勒屁

The name

[split mortar]

Sob

[pliant ruin]

what if we all got terrarian is you as our nicknames but in diff languages

[wheat walrus]

And yea it does google translate into "oh, i love you..."

lol

[pliant ruin]

Omni make ur nickname italian Terrarian is You

[woeful hatch]

Damn I'm Italian too smh .....

[pliant ruin]

one of you two do that

it'd be funny

[wheat walrus]

Terrarian sei te

[woeful hatch]

Also we can't

[woeful hatch]

Tu sei il Terrarian

[wheat walrus]

Yea cheese we can't smth

[wheat walrus]

Vero

[pliant ruin]

melon gun will remain spanish because they're britsh anyways and i dont know who'd get the spanish terrarian otherwise

ill flip a coin

heads is omni

[woeful hatch]

The loser gets chinese

[wheat walrus]

omaigotto

lmao

[split mortar]

Sauron gets chinese

[woeful hatch]

Yup

[pliant ruin]

yep

glorious day

[real silo]

Hehehea

[woeful hatch]

Wait

Does this count as RP rot

[real silo]

No it's lore discussion rot

[split mortar]

No

[woeful hatch]

Fair

[split mortar]

Terrarian stuff is normal lore chat fuckery

It predates the rp by a good while

[pliant ruin]

terrarian you has been a thing even before the rp yeah

its this chats greatest historical monument

[split mortar]

My biggest contribution to society
Spreading the terrarian image

[icy veldt]

Yharim has inverted morals. Anything that's good, he thinks is evil, and anything that's evil, he thinks is good

[split mortar]

@real silo

[deft vessel]

Terrarious

[split mortar]

You arent altraxia

[deft vessel]

Melon, tf are talking about

[long bloom]

i've never seen this person before why are they friends with tyrant

[deft vessel]

[wanton pendant]

The power of friendship, obviously.

[split mortar]

Idk im not blob or tyrant

[tropic oak]

I am a friend of all

I have 1 single enemy and i dont even consider them an enemy they consider themselves my enemy

[split mortar]

Id say thats azzy with how everyone has them friended

[north root]

if you aren't friends with tyrant you aren't canon sorry

[long bloom]

lmao

[split mortar]

Decanonises you

[gritty kraken]

Chat are we allowed to post fanart here

[split mortar]

Yeah

[gritty kraken]

Cool

[split mortar]

Would the astral infection work on deltarune titans

[wanton pendant]

Are they sapient?

[split mortar]

They are said to be mindless and only seek destruction
Which fits since one not even fully born yet tries shooting us with lasers

[wanton pendant]

So like. Maybe.

[gritty kraken]

they’re pure darkness I sthink

[woeful hatch]

An infected titan would probably be quite the show

[wanton pendant]

Depends on if being too strong means that it can't bond with you because your immune system fights it off.

[split mortar]

Aureus is prob stronger then a titan

Or atleast

The titan we fight

[dusk laurel]

we fight like a toddler okay?

leave it alone

[wanton pendant]

I thought it was a newborn.

[split mortar]

We fight it not even 2 minutes after it is fully born that shit is barely not a foetus

[wanton pendant]

Like, not even a toddler.

[gritty kraken]

can’t believe ralsei didn’t let us recruit it to castle town

[dusk laurel]

yeah ik but its still above a titan spawn

[dusk laurel]

👎

[split mortar]

You can try to spare and the game just tells you it does not comprehend mercy

Was just wondering cause yeah they the fear of darkness made physical from negative light

[tropic oak]

true?

[woeful hatch]

Finally, MAYBE people would stop getting lore facts wrong

The basic ones I mean

[long bloom]

no

[woeful hatch]

However I'd also imagine more people would be fooled by him

[split mortar]

They would believe yharim at his word still

Yeah

[woeful hatch]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Peak.

[cloud ibex]

there should be subtitles but it should do the jojo part 7+ thing where certain words are inexplicably highlighted

" 'Destiny' is for the weak."

[long bloom]

"Destiny is for the weak."

[stoic gulch]

Are there any lore surrounding cats in cal

[tropic oak]

yeah. theyre cats

[stoic gulch]

Is the cats lore up to you then?

[icy veldt]

It's theoretically possible, using biomancy + lithomancy, to reshape Providence's physical form into a more cat-like shape

[tropic oak]

oh god are we doing this now

[pulsar ocean]

i think this way the lore items wouldnt be immediatly put into the trash slot

[robust osprey]

hi

[split mortar]

We getting translated versions now

[dusk laurel]

[deft vessel]

** " **Destiny is for the weak."

[dusk laurel]

susie noelle dialogue scene where kris is beating the shit out of the soul and random words are just yellow

[limpid saddle]

this would be so peak actually

[dusk laurel]

AREM

god of thought..... like free will

@split mortar

[magic epoch]

The god of think hatred

[random mulch]

calamity's super secret third super boss, the god of hatred

[wheat walrus]

The god of hatred has replaced Arem... think

Arem was the god of freethink

[spare pier]

Deltarune is literally impossible to powerscale bro

The Titan's biggest feat is...

...trashing one room

[cloud ibex]

aura farming

[spare pier]

But also there is literally no way of knowing how exactly things translate from the Dark to the Light World

[glacial rampart]

the titans are literally potential man at the moment we have nothing to go off of except the prophecy and

trashing one room

i took so long to write that rebecca just said it way smarter anyways

🥀

[spare pier]

As always powerscaling anything Toby Fox makes is impossible because all of it is heavily dependent on the setting

Like, if you put Frisk in literally any other verse there is no way of knowing how the fuck they would fare because Determination is such a weird power

[pliant ruin]

powerscaling undertale is hell because undertale fundamentally relies on the fact its a game and on the game mechanics of said game to work as a narrative

[spare pier]

Or Sans, who would not work in the slightlest because his powers are literally just exploiting dumb shit in the game

Like, he doesn't dodge your attacks

[pliant ruin]

go powerscale aureus against rathalos or something instead

[spare pier]

He just

[hoary cape]

Trying to power scale two seperate things as if they were the same universe is stupid in general imo

[pliant ruin]

It can work

[spare pier]

Moves to the side because he knows that every attack you make will end up falling on that exact spot

[limpid saddle]

i praise toby for how his fiction is inherently designed with anti-power scaling guardrails

[pliant ruin]

Like using the example thats done more often here

monster hunter and calamity mod

[spare pier]

Thanks Omni

[pliant ruin]

nothing about those two setting sreally conflict with eachother on a fundamental level in terms of how they work

[glacial rampart]

i

[spare pier]

Also shoutouts to the fact that, of all things

[glacial rampart]

never thought about that

[spare pier]

VS Battle actually gets Fatalis' powerscale right

[glacial rampart]

Im so rotted by undertale fan animations where hes moving around and stuff

[spare pier]

They have him listed as Low Country

[glacial rampart]

i guess he is just doing that 😭

[spare pier]

Which, yeah

He

Burned a country overnight

It's funny how they always get so much stupid shit so insanely wrong, but Fatalis is right

[split mortar]

Thats a funny way to see it

[limpid saddle]

they want sans to aurafarm but he's too chill for that

[spare pier]

Yeah it's funny

[limpid saddle]

its like how you would install a gate to prevent a toddler from falling down the stairs

[split mortar]

Still funny to suggest such

[spare pier]

Ok but actually Moon Lord vs a Titan would probably go hard

[limpid saddle]

do moon lord's eye lasers work to the same affect as the SOUL's light?

[spare pier]

Probably not

[pliant ruin]

moon lord vs 4th chorus (4th chorus gets evaporized)

[split mortar]

I think a better question would be what would cal characters look like in dark worlds

[dusk laurel]

shimmer, obviously

[wheat walrus]

massively faster than light+ are we deadass reb

[limpid saddle]

idk i can't really envision what their 'ideal' selves would look like

[spare pier]

🥀

I didn't know that part

They have everything there listed as Massively FTL it's so funny

[glacial rampart]

i know nothing about monster hunter but that seems incredibly incorrect

[split mortar]

Kris ideal self is smurf cosplay?

[pliant ruin]

Actually that sounds like a genuinely cool character design exercise

[wheat walrus]

also the small country level is from zorah blowing up the new world calc of all things (they calced the entire continent to be smaller than luxembourg somehow)

[limpid saddle]

well a knight

[wheat walrus]

indeed

[spare pier]

??????? 😭

[wheat walrus]

the calc behind it is lwk a crime too

[glacial rampart]

they wanna be Kamen Rider 555 so bad ..

[wheat walrus]

yuhh

[split mortar]

Any media but dark world designs is

[spare pier]

Not the fact that he literally destroyed a country overnight

[pliant ruin]

thats true

[wheat walrus]

monster hunter on vsbw is wild

[spare pier]

Nope

[limpid saddle]

I assume by Berdly's fit there's some kind of subconscious reflection of wanting to fill a role

[split mortar]

Fatalis dark world

[wheat walrus]

i mean there's the fact that calcing that is,,, yea

b still it's kinda crazy

[limpid saddle]

I'm imagining Calamitas in like a farmgirl outfit & Permafrost in pyjamas

w/ the silly hat too so you know he's a real sleephead

[wheat walrus]

anyways i also kinda js dropped tiering system stuff for the most part

[cloud ibex]

permafrost in a cartoony wizard outfit

actually that would basically be the wizard npc wouldn't it

[split mortar]

Yharim just becomes more intimidating

[split mortar]

Yea

[limpid saddle]

I imagine Yharim would look more heroic somehow

[young socket]

is that like in actual ingame map

[cloud ibex]

god it is completely impossible to tell who the hell is typing in here now

[split mortar]

More ornamental cape ig

[split mortar]

Peak

[young socket]

because they always either under exaggerated or over exaggerated

[limpid saddle]

maybe more vivid colours, classical fantasy armor?

[wheat walrus]

i still do some calcs here n there, but both because i primarily do in-verse and because even outside of that i prefer doing things other ways now i kinda js dont do tiering system

[young socket]

because making a character walk an entire country real time with real speed

fucking sucks

[split mortar]

Yea i see it

[wheat walrus]

half??? the maps themselves are split-up

as for the calc itself, took the viewing distance from the height of 1 place, and assumed that's how wide the entire continent is (you can't see shit at that height because it's full of clouds)

[limpid saddle]

no idea what Amidas or uh, fuck I forgot their name but not their pronouns

uh

Bandit?

would look like

[split mortar]

Bandit yuh

[dusk laurel]

banditry

[pliant ruin]

Y'know the funny thing is that dark worl designs are magicky versions of their light world selves but cal characters

already are magicky versions

[split mortar]

Draedon becomes more sci fi

[tropic oak]

hiya

[split mortar]

Helo

[random mulch]

dark world permafrost is just an old man in a robe

but like, a less wizard-y robe

[limpid saddle]

im still on this

[tropic oak]

melon i was in the middle of working on a song and my pc turned off. who should i murder in cold blood

[dusk laurel]

haiyo

[split mortar]

Cei

[wheat walrus]

murder melon gun

[limpid saddle]

kill melon gun

[split mortar]

[wheat walrus]

yep

[limpid saddle]

boil him in oil 5ever

reminds me i need to get back to trying to redesign the Cataclysmic & Catastrophic Constructs again

or perhaps i should define my God Of Dogma design more...

[cloud ibex]

is the "he" in question in the room with us now

[pliant ruin]

they them gif

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

this one

[cloud ibex]

that's the one

[pliant ruin]

you should make a god of war design

nobody has made one yet

[limpid saddle]

true but like what do i do with that

[pliant ruin]

iunno

marble biome is his guys apparently so

there's some design inspo

probably roman/greek aesthethics

[wheat walrus]

[pliant ruin]

summon

[wheat walrus]

i saw this earlier but i also noticed reb saying that mh scaling on that wiki is accu

[icy veldt]

Based Rome

[wanton pendant]

Gay, obviously.

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

[pliant ruin]

Y'know i had a funny thought

[limpid saddle]

my apologies melon they/them

[limpid saddle]

huh

[wanton pendant]

Will Melonius Gunther forgive?

[limpid saddle]

i kinda immideatly went to horrible flesh beast

[dusk laurel]

They/The
m

[limpid saddle]

given the crimson

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

[pliant ruin]

that's just because its evil god essence

the gods that made the crimsonj weren't literally horrible flesh beasts in the same way the gods that make up the corruption like dogma weren't purple cancer demons

[split mortar]

I headcanon god of wars ichor is also the dominant factor on the crimson ichor reducing defense

[limpid saddle]

Yeah but I like to take inspiration from the enviornments they spawned, like how Dogma has alot of jagged bone-like edges on his arms & has a major eye motif

[pliant ruin]

• God of War is related to the Marble biome and the enemies on it, which have aesthethics inspired by ancient greece/romany
• Draedon named one of his Exo Mechs after the real greek god of war Ares. By all means, this could just a be a concidence or unrelated myth in the calamity setting

HOWEVER

When you put these informations together

It'd be REALLY funny

[dusk laurel]

ARES GOD OF WAR

[pliant ruin]

If God of War was just straight up Ares

[split mortar]

God of war is called ares

[dusk laurel]

😭 😭 😭

[icy veldt]

The Exo Mechs are named after the God of War and his friends?!

[tropic oak]

i hope the god of war is a woman

[split mortar]

ARES THE GOD OF WAR

[wanton pendant]

So, War had a red skull. Is he racist?

[split mortar]

Would be called goddess of war then no?

[limpid saddle]

true

[tropic oak]

we dont know anything ab the god of war

so it can be goddess or god

i just think it would be REALLY funny if the god of war was infact a woman

[visual kiln]

jesus god of mercy

[icy veldt]

I hope that the Goddess of War is cute

[pliant ruin]

@spare pier rebecca waht if the god of war was literally just called Ares

😭

It'd make sense bro

Draedon had to get the name of the exo mech from SOMEWHERE

And he literally has greek motifs

[wanton pendant]

Oh God, people would use it to justify the Greek pantheon as canon.

[dusk laurel]

who tf is named thanatos, artemis and apollo then

[pliant ruin]

thanatos the god of dying

not of death

of dying

he absorbed his auric soul and immediately dropped dead on the floor

[limpid saddle]

anyway i dont really know what to do with a God Of War design because it's a really generic concept thats been done to death visually

[pliant ruin]

yharim didnt even have to kill him

[split mortar]

Random prevelant gods in the cult idk

[limpid saddle]

Which is why I went to 'horrible flesh beast' to spive it up

[dusk laurel]

wait i have a stupid idea, death dragon is just named thanatos 💔 💔 💔

[split mortar]

TRUE

[wanton pendant]

Gabriel Thanatos and his cohorts, Alexander Apollo, Claire Artemis and Johnathan Fitzgerald Ares.

[pliant ruin]

I ngl whenever i hear thanatos

i just think of the evangelion song

[limpid saddle]

or just some kind of mutated apex predator

[pliant ruin]

because i really like that song

[limpid saddle]

which one

[dusk laurel]

as if thats already not super common.....

[random mulch]

a single soul split among an entire army

[pliant ruin]

Thanatos

[limpid saddle]

rn im basically just thinking Nothing There's final form in a toga

[pliant ruin]

Yeah calamity has, alot of flesh body horror monsters

[pliant ruin]

Like it's literally called Thanatos

It plays when || asuka fucking dies ||

[thick slate]

ATHENA!!!

I AM THE GOD OF WAR

[limpid saddle]

oh i didnt know the track name until now

[split mortar]

Apollo is named after the lihzahrds deity

[pliant ruin]

All things considered it's a very beautiful song despite. the scene it plays in

[spare pier]

Eh

Don't really vibe with it honestly

[pliant ruin]

It'd be funny rebecca

why does your name start fucking glowing when i type it what

[dusk laurel]

marble is greek related yk...

[split mortar]

Happened to tsuki

[pliant ruin]

it'd be really funny

yeah so there's the god of war. he's just ares. you know greek ares? yeah that's him.

the rest of the greek pahntehon isn't here either

[spare pier]

Honestly if we went that route I'd prefer Mars anyways to allude to roman culture and their absurdly imperialist philosophies

[pliant ruin]

it's just him

[wanton pendant]

God of War should be called Oppenheimer.

[spare pier]

The greek aesthetic wouldn't even be his, he just appropriated it from some other people he conquered

[split mortar]

Thats the god of radioactivity

[spare pier]

Which, yeah

War

Conquest and War walk side by side

[limpid saddle]

writing down in my god of war design notebook 'imperialist dickhead' next to 'nothing there in a toga?'

[split mortar]

God of war is british got it

[wanton pendant]

Yharim got cancer and will die at 140 instead of 147, tragic.

[tropic oak]

god of war asteraoth

[split mortar]

Kratos god of war

[spare pier]

Who described War God as Nothing There and why does it work so well

[limpid saddle]

me i did that

[split mortar]

ggg did earlier

[spare pier]

Incredible

Honestly combine Nothing There with Sukuna and you got how I imagine War God

[pliant ruin]

waiter. more flesh monsters

[limpid saddle]

I was trying to think of a god of war design to draw that wasnt generic 'guy mcmurder' & i came to 'horrible flesh beast' then nothing there

[spare pier]

Though I also think that might not be the best because

Y'know

Perforators

[random mulch]

what's a nothing there

[wanton pendant]

Flesh monster.

[spare pier]

Would be weird to have Flesh Monster turn into Flesh Monster

[limpid saddle]

red sukuna with scythe arms got it

[pliant ruin]

lobcorp abnormality thats a big flesh guy that fucking kills you

[wanton pendant]

Just looked it up.

[pliant ruin]

I also think calamity just has

[split mortar]

Project moon aleph abnormal

[limpid saddle]

it'll be on your desk in a week

[pliant ruin]

way too many flesh monsters

:sob

[dusk laurel]

flesh monster is kinda basic

[random mulch]

ah

[spare pier]

But also that's the stupid looking one from Lobcorp

I need to find his Ruina cards

[jovial ridge]

The reason there’s so many meat monsters is so you can eat em when you’re done

[wanton pendant]

God of War should be the kind of guy to say Carthage should be destroyed.

[split mortar]

Why is nothing there

[spare pier]

Can't wait for Nothing There to show up in Limbus

[split mortar]

Why is it called that

[spare pier]

Imma be real with you chief

[pliant ruin]

because there's nothing there

[spare pier]

I have no idea

[split mortar]

Cheese you are the expert do you know

[limpid saddle]

pm accidentally swapped his name with CENSORED & never bothered to change it back

[dusk laurel]

ive been saying this but nothing there blood moon enemy

[spare pier]

My guess is that since Nothing There's deal is that it mimics humans, the name was given essentially as a warning to employees to not engage with it to avoid deception

[split mortar]

Ah

[pliant ruin]

Not really any proper explanation but it's probably symbolism for how, despite mimicking humans, there's nothing left there of who its victims really were or smth

What reb said could also make sense yeah

[spare pier]

This does work considering Nothing There was just

A guy

[limpid saddle]

he got melted & lobotomized though

(very sad)

[spare pier]

He got what........

[pliant ruin]

he got melted and WHAST.

[split mortar]

Nothing there vs yharim

[wanton pendant]

Man, I wonder who the Terrarian is...

[limpid saddle]

they say he worked in the business....

[pliant ruin]

Another one for the bingo

[dusk laurel]

and WHAT

[icy veldt]

Pfft, skill issue. I can survive that just fine

[spare pier]

Project Moon powerscaling is fake and unreal

[limpid saddle]

some kinda, Lobotomy Corporation....

[pliant ruin]

Ngl i lowk think of God of War as just straight up a living statue for some reason

i don't know why

Like you know those like

[dusk laurel]

hes a fucking marble statue in the british museum

[spare pier]

And by that I mean there is basically nothing to go off of in terms of how strong characters are

[pliant ruin]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Put it in a military uniform.

[pliant ruin]

Can't move his mout hor change his expression or anything bro's a Statue

Talks to you but his voice just Manifests there's no actual movement of the mouth

[split mortar]

A statue of sukuna nothing there in s toga

[spare pier]

I don't think he'd be a statue tbh

[limpid saddle]

Ok so rn im thinking more inherently monsterous Sukuna with some misplaced eyes & his right eye is like the Perforater Hive eye with some kind of horrific weapon arm made of bones & fingernails dressed up to look like a proper blade hiding its visceral revolting nature

[spare pier]

But also he would be white

That guy was 100% white

[limpid saddle]

gonna need to write this down somewherr

[wheat walrus]

gojo vs binah video

[dusk laurel]

Definitely.

[limpid saddle]

whitest boy u know

[spare pier]

Byeah honestly the "Sukuna" part is just

I definitely think he had 4 arms

[wanton pendant]

Each with a copy of The Art of War (Sun Tzu).

[dusk laurel]

hexapedal mf

bros a BUG

[split mortar]

Bug god

[spare pier]

Bro

[split mortar]

Is god of war a glug

[spare pier]

That works unironically because ants are, iirc

[wanton pendant]

Army Ants...

[spare pier]

The only animals known to actively wage war besides humans

[dusk laurel]

yes ive cooked finally

[spare pier]

Well, ants and termites I think

[limpid saddle]

do you think any of them were straight up ghoul weapon arms or just regular arms holding weapons

[wanton pendant]

Make God of War a horse archer.

[tropic oak]

if the god of war was like a statue that would be hard as hell

[spare pier]

In general social bugs like ants, termites, bees and etc

[tropic oak]

that sounds like a cool ass idea

[dusk laurel]

white bug statue.

[spare pier]

Normal arms imo, because those are just better for combat

The War God was absolutely hyper-optimized to be as effective in combat as possible

[dusk laurel]

can he photosynthesize

[split mortar]

So my ichor headcanon makes more snese

[spare pier]

He probably just

Doesn't need to eat

Straight up

[dusk laurel]

amazing

[limpid saddle]

white, apex predator, armed to the teeth, bug(??? how the fuck do i implement that), & sukuna/nothing there's lovechild in a toga

[spare pier]

If we're talking that hyperoptimized

[wanton pendant]

He eats NAILS for breakfast, without any MILK!

[pliant ruin]

bro how do you make a bug flesh monster into a white boy

[wanton pendant]

They're called the English.

[limpid saddle]

i'll just make the arms have a carapace or something

[split mortar]

WHAT THE FUCK

[limpid saddle]

exo-skeleton type deal or some shit

he has like a scary as shit mask he takes on & off

[dusk laurel]

the english and their fucking BOATS

[spare pier]

Might as well make the armor look like samurai armor

[limpid saddle]

now the question is would he facially just look absolutely revolting or what

[spare pier]

Rome and Japan are like, basically the face of ancient world imperialism

[wanton pendant]

Hey, don't forget Mongolia!

[spare pier]

True

[limpid saddle]

feels like we're kind of cross-contaminating here

[wanton pendant]

Second biggest empire in history!

Genghis didn't burn Baghdad to the ground for nothing!

[spare pier]

But like, ok this is definitely too many design elements

Can't fit everything in it

You either go with the statue iteration or the flesh bug monster

[wanton pendant]

Genghis Khan with a gun.

[limpid saddle]

we can have the toga or he has his horrible dingdong made of knives & self-loathing out with the samurai bug carapace armor

[dusk laurel]

what

[wanton pendant]

Stop.

[dusk laurel]

pause

please tell me im misreading that

[spare pier]

Insane sentence

[limpid saddle]

which way western woman

[dusk laurel]

mind numbing description

[split mortar]

Am i misunderstanding what you mean to say or what

[limpid saddle]

i could try with having his face resemble depctions of oni & give him big ol' tusks & shit

would fit with the hyperoptimized killing machine bit too

[spare pier]

I think that the War God would be a 4 armed man with flesh ligaments stitching a bug-like armor onto him, with bits of his own skin coming through to reveal a pale tone.

That's the general best description I can give for the iteration

[limpid saddle]

oh yeah that brings me to hair

would he have any?

[dusk laurel]

i think he should have antennae

[split mortar]

Is the god of war gay

[spare pier]

Nah he'd probably be bald

[limpid saddle]

what is this bug agenda you have now

[spare pier]

Probably antennae or something on his head though

But also that'd probably be covered by a helmet anyways

[split mortar]

Thank you that answers if its gay or not

[dusk laurel]

idk

[spare pier]

Also I have an answer for that but I probably cannot say it in this chat

He had war prisoners

Connect the dots

[split mortar]

Ah

[wanton pendant]

God.

[spare pier]

Like

[limpid saddle]

damn thats pretty dark

[spare pier]

Am I going to mention this in Cal proper? No, I can't

But

It's the most realistic outcome

[limpid saddle]

well i know he was one of the evil gods but y'know

[dusk laurel]

.

[cloud ibex]

damn.

[spare pier]

Anyways

[thick slate]

they add anything to calamity

[limpid saddle]

did dogma do this too???

[split mortar]

Lets change topic

[cloud ibex]

probably for the best yes

[spare pier]

I said one guy did it and he's Mister War bro

[dusk laurel]

i knew it, yharim is HOMOPHOBIC.

[spare pier]

Anyways, yeah moving on

[split mortar]

CHANGE TOPIC

[thick slate]

tooic

[split mortar]

Dogma vs war

[young socket]

tooic

[split mortar]

Tsuki and taylor i will fucking murder you

[limpid saddle]

I just mean because dogma & cult associations with [cough probably shouldn't look at this] ||sexual abuse||

[spare pier]

Nah

That's just adding shock value for no reason

[limpid saddle]

well thats fair

[glacial rampart]

it'd be like those things that are like

what if mario was actually on drugs

[spare pier]

Yeah

Anyways yeah tl;dr

He's the War God, of course he'd commit war crimes

Yharim did

Why wouldn't he?

[limpid saddle]

anyhow i don't know how to draw bald people so i'll probably just give him shitty short ugly hair

[spare pier]

Just cover it with a helmet

[limpid saddle]

yeah but i already have the bug exo-skeleton thing going on

figure the mask would split over his cheeks & look like uh

mandibles thats the word

[spare pier]

Man I'm hungry

[split mortar]

What would moonlords dark world design be

[wanton pendant]

How hungry?

[split mortar]

Eat the horse

[hoary cape]

I am so hungry I could eat a Leviathan from calamity mod

[limpid saddle]

moon lord but purple

[wanton pendant]

He gets his legs back.

[spare pier]

I should make an incredibly elaborate creationist religion for Calamity and then do nothing with that

[wanton pendant]

NO PLEASE!

[hoary cape]

Moon lord legs are small enough the terrarian can wear them

[spare pier]

Fun fact, I actually do that in one of my stories

[wanton pendant]

We don't need more people asking if God is canon.

[limpid saddle]

rebecca please us loreheads cant take any more

[spare pier]

Because the whole point is just to have it there to enrich their culture

[split mortar]

Rebecca do it it would be funny

[spare pier]

Seeing as the main theme of said story is about colonialism and whatnot

[wanton pendant]

Why are people so adamant about God being canon!?

[jaunty wraith]

I have no clue

[limpid saddle]

i can hardly store all this information in my head & get it wrong when im explaining it in youtube comment sections 63% of the time

[jaunty wraith]

I just intentionaly spread misinformation

[split mortar]

I store it and autism

[wanton pendant]

Someone should make a document to explain it.

[limpid saddle]

im gonna kill you

[spare pier]

Melon Gun mentioning the dev statement from 2 years ago that not even whoever made it remembers it

[glacial rampart]

tolkien core

[spare pier]

Fuck

Keyboard is shitting itself

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim was manipulated bu chara!

Why would chara do this?

[young socket]

i thought this said cannibalism at first

[limpid saddle]

rebecca is just like tolkien except instead of being a well-off upper-middle class white man she's broke & not getting payed ever

[split mortar]

Even rebecca is losing it at me grabbing dev statements

[dusk laurel]

shes BRAZILIAN

[spare pier]

There

[dusk laurel]

this is true

[split mortar]

Rebecca may i add i have only been active for bit over a year

[wanton pendant]

Did you not read the Duke Fishron entry.
Didn't know Gustavo was so harcore...

[limpid saddle]

oh man

[icy veldt]

Oh that's also one of my talents

[limpid saddle]

That reminds me when i came here, many moons ago...

Yharon freshly defeated with my cousin, on december of 2024...

[wanton pendant]

A year.

[icy veldt]

A few years ago, on another server, someone told me "dude it is scary how you remember people saying things that not even they remember saying"

[glacial rampart]

you stole all my old knowledge when you became active