lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

Double banned.

Quick, somebody talk about Providence so the etymology nerd shows up.

[broken sierra]

Providence

[pulsar ocean]

You think Providence cooked food on her core if she got hungry

[split mortar]

Embers mention

[distant smelt]

Cnidrionы

[north root]

what else would it be

cnidriosis

[distant smelt]

Cnidriodiodes

[pulsar ocean]

nash slon

[pastel bay]

The swarm.

[frosty charm]

Considering it's faith, probably good or neutral

Faith is never an inherently bad thing, but it can be twisted and warped by others to make it so

[reef nova]

You never know with Calamity

[wanton pendant]

I think they're dead.

[reef nova]

Duh

[frosty charm]

Dude no fucking way

[reef nova]

all dragons are dead except for Yharon

[wanton pendant]

Secret Dragon of Being Really Hard to Kill:

[pliant ruin]

i mean

god of sacrifices

[split mortar]

Sacrifice is good

[reef nova]

Whuh about him I forgot

[split mortar]

God of sacrificing himself

[wanton pendant]

Can't wait for them to reveal Dragon of Redactions, who resulted in the God of Censorship.

[reef nova]

Insane shi

[split mortar]

Ok scp

[frosty charm]

Super Duper Secret Dragon of Dragons who Only Dies when All Dragons (including Yharon) Perma Die

[pliant ruin]

you'd expect "god of sacrifices" to be a stereotypically evil guy but calamity's GoS was super kind and loving

because sacrifice isn't a inherentlyu bad thing

[frosty charm]

I hope they don't go for a "religion is bad myeeehhh" angle with dragon of faith

I'm not religious but that'd feel kinda reddit

[pliant ruin]

dogma is right there

[wanton pendant]

I mean, so far Dogma is the real bad one.

[split mortar]

I doubt they would since
There are good gods

Also yeah true dogma

[dusk laurel]

the evil and intimidating dogma

all my homies hate hivemind

[wanton pendant]

And even then stuff like Dogma probably refers more to religious absolutism and disregarding the meaning of beliefs in favour of using it to push your agenda or something.

Wait, this isn't the rougelike server!?

[split mortar]

What

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

???

[pliant ruin]

yeah like dogma is literally the entire concept of religious absolutism and manipulation already why would faith also be that

[cloud ibex]

i think it would be more interesting if the dragon of faith was chill than if both the dragon and dogma were dickheads

[pliant ruin]

yep

faith isn't a inherently bad concept the same way that sacrifice isn't

[wanton pendant]

Also Faith's meant to be a gift to humanity and a symbol of faith in the dragons. Then the poor chap got murdered, so... uh...

[cloud ibex]

we already have a good few chill/seemingly chill gods who ascended with the souls of chill/seemingly chill dragons and at least one asshole god who ascended with the soul of an asshole dragon

[pulsar ocean]

who the fuck is gonna be faithing in the dragons if John Dragon is an asshole that made surface uninhabitable for most of beings

[cloud ibex]

a good dragon resulting in an evil god would be more unique

[cloud ibex]

i mean

we do know of at least one person who served the dragons despite big zee cranking the AC up

i doubt xeroc was the only one

[split mortar]

Can still have faith in john dragon despite that idk

[wanton pendant]

Dogma was a monk.

Triangle said it a few days ago.

[pulsar ocean]

is this said in the faq

[wanton pendant]

No.

[pulsar ocean]

i dont believe you

[wanton pendant]

It's said in the Dogma section.

[cloud ibex]

plus if the sun has been Like That for thousands of years i don't think it's unreasonable for people to not know the surface could've been habitable the whole time if zeratros just allowed it to be

[wanton pendant]

And probably the Faith section... probably a couple sections if we're being honest.

Correction: It is written in Dogma's section twice.

[pulsar ocean]

wheres the proof

what if you lied

[wanton pendant]

Don't you believe me? After all we've been through?

Do you not have faith?

[split mortar]

Im the source finder so ill source it at some point

[long bloom]

collect my sources

[icy veldt]

A good... dragon? Doesn't sound all that plausible tbh

[wanton pendant]

What's the plural of cnidrion.

[icy veldt]

Cnidria

[wanton pendant]

I'm deleting this entire server.

[cloud ibex]

i mean

the word is derived from "cnidaria"

"cnidria" isn't an unreasonable guess

[ruby heart]

He is problably just really naive

He do be the yougest auric dragon after all

(Last to get a auric soul)

What is the timeline between the first offshoot to be born (wyrm and OD) to xeroc doing his ascencion?

Forgot

[light linden]

ngl

I hope the gods of dogma and/or war get more in game lore

[split mortar]

i imagine they will once the rework comes out

[ruby heart]

They will

A lot

Once evils 2 rework get real

[split mortar]

yeah they sound very major

[ruby heart]

(They wont be just text mentions and stuff)

i mean, they are characters you will be able to meet personally

(Even if in a kinda janded state)

[split mortar]

we already do in game technically
under the shitstain of fabsolian designed bosses

[ruby heart]

If you want to consider the evil red floating brocolli the war god

[pliant ruin]

by all means it is

its wrought under the curse of fabsolian shitstains however

[split mortar]

it is the canonical version rn due to being the only version in game

[pliant ruin]

war god got turned into a fucking meat broccoli

[dusk laurel]

is this even a ngl moment

[pliant ruin]

god of dogma turned into purple BoC

💔

[ruby heart]

But yea they wont be a "gets mentioned in a wall of text item" character

[split mortar]

yharim really hit those gods with the fabsolian design beam

[ruby heart]

Yharim used his auric brocollification beam

On war god

[dusk laurel]

"hot take, i dont like calamity bosses"

[random mulch]

so do we get to, like, talk to them?

[ruby heart]

ye

If my evil plans go well

[random mulch]

cool!

[ruby heart]

they would be a really good source of information for how the deific era economy was

• a diferent bias and vision from yharim

[random mulch]

so what would the context of the fight be then

[ruby heart]

well it really depends

Its main thing is that its a test, a provation

Since you are beating 2 of yharim main foes, proving yourself, trailing a similar path that yharim once went to rise up to the top ™

Or you are also beating 2 of the most influential gods, proving yourself to be a worthy being to become the god king (possibly)

Etc, up to you

Or you can just be fighting them since evil biome (evil being)

[random mulch]

do we ask to be tested or do they just jump us or smth

[ruby heart]

It wont really be a jump and there will be proper build up to the fight

[light linden]

I mean

[ruby heart]

(Remember.. the concept of the dogma and war followers you can talk with )

[random mulch]

oooohhh

[light linden]

It depends on your definition of what a god of war is

if you imagine them as a commander then yes

they are

if you think they're like kratos then no

they aren't

[ruby heart]

Cannonically the red brocolli defeated yharon

In my concept for them, they do be more of a strategist tho

[random mulch]

oooh lore drop

[ruby heart]

is that a lore drop?

[random mulch]

well at least i didn't know god of war killed yharon

[ruby heart]

Well captured is the best word for it..

[pliant ruin]

that is in fact a lore drop

[ruby heart]

Someone need to have captured yharon for the entire god king stuff

🦐

[light linden]

personally I've always imagined the current incarnations of the evil 2 bosses to be the god of war and dogma taken to their extremes

[dusk laurel]

eh

[ruby heart]

War extremes being red EoW and a brocolli

[dusk laurel]

the evil red brocoli with ichor

[pliant ruin]

the extremes of dogma

purple brain

ur brain gets purple

because of uh

evil

[ruby heart]

I just count current as "evil beast of crimson, not real"

[light linden]

nobody can oppose the dogma if their forced to become part of a hive mind

[pliant ruin]

evil ingfesting ur brain

[dusk laurel]

yes the evil red brocolli is a representation of war yes

[split mortar]

i like to imagine ichor is from wars blood since having your enemy get durably weaker when hitting you would be good for winning wars idk

[ruby heart]

Purple brain humor buddy

[split mortar]

its green humour

[ruby heart]

Ichor is just god remains ™

[dusk laurel]

purple boc 🥹

[ruby heart]

Crimson and perforators are not only war god

[split mortar]

yeah cool idc headcanon go brrr

[light linden]

and the hive is a massive floating logistics center that sends out swarms of "soldiers" to destroy all they can

[split mortar]

never said rest of crimson was war
just ichor

[dusk laurel]

thunder what r u talking abt

[light linden]

with more "soldiers" coming back once the cannon fodder is dead

[split mortar]

this

[light linden]

what melon gun said

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

[light linden]

like ik this is very much headcanon but that's what I thought when I learned the god of dogma was the hive mind and the god of war was the perforators

[random mulch]

hope gods of war & dogma have more of the weirdo designs™

[pulsar ocean]

Wouldn't it be like coolio if Jared was a descendant of zeratros

Wouldn't that be crazy

[ruby heart]

[pulsar ocean]

Wouldn't that be a awesome plot detail

[ruby heart]

(Unironically i kinda had a ideia around that for wyrm and OD, the first offshoots, but i got shot down by 10 members of the goverment)

[split mortar]

lol

[real glen]

Btw what colors would they be

[pulsar ocean]

Zeratros Russian empire

[random mulch]

that's a chart of dragon, not gods, get your charts right

[real glen]

Fuck

[random mulch]

amateur

[pulsar ocean]

We got robbed

[real glen]

why am i like this
Maybe its 4 am effect

[random mulch]

also i'm talking designs not color palettes

less otonilou, tyrian and silva. more agnus, providence and slime god

[ruby heart]

Dogma is very, very human tho

[pulsar ocean]

Who's tyrian

[random mulch]

human in build but differing in features, or just some dude?

[pulsar ocean]

I guess you could say he was a purple guy

[ruby heart]

🥹

[real glen]

Its almost 5 am and I'm still awake so my brain might be overdone
gn

[random mulch]

bye

[ruby heart]

Build but with some diferent features

But he is still p much a human

[pulsar ocean]

What's yharim's birthday

[ruby heart]

He isnt morphed or made into slime

[ruby heart]

25 of month 5 of 2025

[pulsar ocean]

Peak lore drop 🥹

Does yharim hate Christmas
Is Christmas even canon

[random mulch]

christmas being canon implies christ being canon

[ruby heart]

Christmas based around xeroc ascencion

[pulsar ocean]

Didn't like only slime god and yharon see it

[split mortar]

christmas isnt real cause yharim destroyed it thinking it was tied to a god and not santa

[split mortar]

no one was in the room afaik

[pulsar ocean]

@wanton pendant lore drop you gotta add it to the doc the mystery is solved

[tropic oak]

BRO

IVE BEEN SAYING THIS

[pulsar ocean]

Have you

[tropic oak]

YES

[split mortar]

wha really

oh wait

[pulsar ocean]

Really?

[split mortar]

the xeroc chrimas thing

tyrant that says yharims birthday

[split mortar]

dumbass

[tropic oak]

IVE BEEN SAYING

MAKE XEROCS ASCENSION CHRISTMAS

[split mortar]

triangle said it was yharims

not xerocs

[tropic oak]

?

are you blind

fuck yharim nobody gaf bout him

[split mortar]

oh you on about that

not this#

[pulsar ocean]

But
I do

[tropic oak]

yes

[tropic oak]

idgaf about that

[split mortar]

you dont exist

[split mortar]

rude :(

[pulsar ocean]

Rude

[tropic oak]

yharim will rot in hell with his stupid ass dragon

[pulsar ocean]

Wasn't it obvious

Like
I thought we all knew that

[twin stone]

Tyrant when yharim mentioned:
Tyrant when Xeroc mentioned:

[frosty charm]

Yharim is -200 something

[split mortar]

yharim ages backwards

[frosty charm]

So cool

He must revert to an egg and bury himself underground for 100 years

[pulsar ocean]

Saddam Hussein

[frosty charm]

No

[pulsar ocean]

Ok Mr piss

[frosty charm]

Cell

[pulsar ocean]

You made that up

Why was that deleted

[snow mountain]

XEROC IS THE HOGFATHER

im on my knees

[tropic oak]

no, no, not you incattus

[snow mountain]

NOOO

anyway, peak work triangle

[snow mountain]

im being persecuted...

☺️

[real drum]

is Yharon canonically a choir kid? 🤔

[long bloom]

what

[warm gull]

good morning my lorious lagoon monsters

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

[queen swallow]

an embed failure?

[split mortar]

I know it wont embed

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

[fierce pagoda]

kris pronouns deltarune kris deltarune deltarune kris pronouns they them

[neat jetty]

What was Providence’s goal?

[fierce pagoda]

Kill everyone

[wanton pendant]

Destroy everything.

[neat jetty]

Oh

[fierce pagoda]

yeah that too

[wanton pendant]

Reduce it all to ash.

Throw it all away.

[fierce pagoda]

okay okay

but why tho

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord.

[fierce pagoda]

squid

[split mortar]

Omnicide

[fierce pagoda]

why would she wanna kill Omni!?!?

[wanton pendant]

Omni is part of everything. And they're not invincible, that's their son.

[fierce pagoda]

why does everything have to be so complicated?!

[wanton pendant]

14 billion years ago, the big bang occured.

[visual kiln]

p

[fierce pagoda]

d

[eager bluff]

b

[robust osprey]

someone called her ugly

and she is angry with the world

[fierce pagoda]

valid

[north root]

i wish providence was real (so i could interview her about her. motivation)

[distant smelt]

Ash

[north root]

sorry

i wish providence was real (so i could interview her about her. ash)

[distant smelt]

…

[plucky juniper]

i wish providence was real (so i could interview her about what she thinks of pyroclastic flows)

[frosty charm]

i had a really sick idea for an ending but it goes against established cal canon fuuuccckkkkk

[long bloom]

are you gonna say what it is

[frosty charm]

was gauging interest

so it moreso goes along with the story; after the aerie collapses they get warped to important locations before going back to the aerie

[long bloom]

OH you're unwithered bonnie

[frosty charm]

their body kinda unfurls as they absorb yharons soul and become the god of rebirth, perpetuating the cycle/era of the gods again

[frosty charm]

yeah

i change profiles to whatever i think is funny

[sinful adder]

That would suck for everyone

[frosty charm]

oh yeah 100%

it's not meant to be a good ending

it's because the character is trapped in the past and is choosing to preserve what little of it that remains instead of just moving on

[sinful adder]

Just like yharim

[frosty charm]

somewhat yeah

life or death for terraria

[pulsar ocean]

Provi kinda ugly

[reef nova]

HELL NO

[reef nova]

That'd be a pretty cool ending icl

But personally

I'd rather have it end in a happy ending with some sort of message

just my preferences though :p

[feral skiff]

The base Calamity lore tells a story of tragedy, betrayal, and a bit of manipulation.

I don’t think it needs to end in a happy ending.

[reef nova]

Yea

I'd say my idea of an ending but idk how to convey it propely

plus it's probably stupid so

yeah

[pulsar ocean]

id beat dogma irl

[reef nova]

Whatever you say pal

[pulsar ocean]

dogma a fraud

[reef nova]

You'd get killed by a slime

what makes you think you can do something to dogma

[pulsar ocean]

dogma cant do NOTHIN

id no diff

NEGATIVE feats from dogma

[reef nova]

[feral skiff]

i think the most likely scenario is the player takes up the proposal of Xeroc — what happens after that is anyone’s guess. probably a battle between the gods or something

i’d like to think the proposal is just Xeroc recruiting the player against Noxus cause they’re the strongest mortal

[pliant ruin]

Calamity isn't meant to be a sad tale where everything sucks and it ends saying Everything Sucks

It's the opposite honestly

[dusk laurel]

hopecore

[pliant ruin]

truth duke

[mighty zenith]

the whole reason scal survives the fight

[split mortar]

It about how stuff can get better

[mighty zenith]

is because she believes the world can change for the better

[pliant ruin]

shit sucks but we can bring change and make the future better, avoiding making the same mistakes of the past

it definitely won't have a sad/bad/hopeless ending

at worst

bittersweet

[dusk laurel]

every ending is personalized

or as i like to say

up to you

[mighty zenith]

🍈 🔫

[split mortar]

Sob

[reef nova]

Yes

I agree with ts

[reef nova]

YES THISSS

[icy veldt]

I'm gonna make the future even worse

[pliant ruin]

the dragons are all deaqd already you can't double genocide them

[woeful hatch]

But we CAN spread the remains of dead gods all over the place

Making an entire continent presumably uninhabitable

[pliant ruin]

you can do that it's true

it's not in character for avitus though

[fierce pagoda]

avitus? whos avitus!

is that the death dragon

[frosty charm]

Chiming in with my thoughts
The ending isn't really meant to be "oh the protag is evil and now everything sucks." It's meant to represent how their personal pursuit of power has stripped away their humanity, until none remained—its more focused on the character than the greater story of cal. I want to go with a "the end of an era" vibe with the ending; it ends with her body changing and what happens after is ambiguous and up to the reader

It's a character study in the universe yk

The end is them choosing to be something more than a weapon for once since that's what they're made into as the story progresses, though I don't think they intended to become what they did

I won't deny that it isn't a "good" ending and may feel a bit disrespectful to the universe, but I dunno

I might make two endings since the one I have is a bit more bittersweet, though it's still not a very good ending (the aerie collapses onto the heartlands, signifying the end of the era—yet new life starts to grow, even through the ruins)

[icy veldt]

Yharim murdering half the world's population to avenge the dragons: 🤓
Me clearing out the other half to avenge the gods: 💪😎

[pastel bay]

We also have the clentaminator and terraformer in our arsenal cleaning up the remains of dead gods isnt exactly difficult

[versed jay]

Blud really becoming Thanos

[icy veldt]

Well no, (as far as I know) Yharim's crusade wiped out approximately half of the world's population

[split mortar]

Yeah

Yharim halved the world

[icy veldt]

Which gives me an opportunity to annihilate the other half!

[balmy glacier]

can we bring yharim to the real world? will be appreciated

[versed jay]

Still count as genocide

Like what Thanos did

[icy veldt]

...okay?

[balmy glacier]

lore-discussion

[versed jay]

Lore-biscussion

[balmy glacier]

✅

[split mortar]

Roleplay-discussion

[cloud ibex]

no

[balmy glacier]

how good are calamity characters as actors? yharim is perfect at being a jester

[cloud ibex]

yharim has his charisma stat maxed so he'd probably be pretty good at playing a character

[versed jay]

Scal is perfect at being a what?

[balmy glacier]

princess in no distress

probably

draedon is very good at yapping so maybe a narrator

braelor and statis idk

[split mortar]

Scal i dont think would be good at acting idk she doesnt give me that vibe

[balmy glacier]

should could act as some useless side character

[versed jay]

I do say a crazy scientist

[wanton pendant]

Devourer of Gods is useless as he's terrible at lying and would only play himself.
So basically he's the Rock.

[versed jay]

He's just an asshole

[pliant ruin]

true...

they both have the huge egos down too

[balmy glacier]

amidias does singing
and there will be a lot about sso wait

[balmy glacier]

are probably bromance buddies

very tough to figure out silva’s role🤔

[wanton pendant]

I don't think the b there is needed.

[balmy glacier]

hmmm 🤔 yeah they go all-in into romance

[split mortar]

Braelor and statis are literally boyfriends

[balmy glacier]

figured ✅

either moony or nox ball are the main antagonist of the story

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is.

[balmy glacier]

damn it!

i mean knowing his personality it makes much more sense

[split mortar]

I dont think either are good at acting
Would prob just try killing everyone

[balmy glacier]

we’ll devolve them to humans(they’d be very difficult to control either way)

[split mortar]

I dont think thats stopping fovos from starting shit

[balmy glacier]

possible! but still…

[pulsar ocean]

why is yharim the god killer better at the stuff providence wanted to do than providence herself

[tropic oak]

providence stupid

[split mortar]

Yharims ideals are much easier for people to agree with while still causing a lot of harm and yharim himself (and his close allies were) are stronger then providence

[balmy glacier]

providence is busy beefing with redditors online

and hiding from dog (does it still actively trying to catch her?)

[split mortar]

Nothing hints at them having that sort of dynamic in new lore

[balmy glacier]

understood

[wanton pendant]

I mean, DoG probably does want to eat her because...

[balmy glacier]

auric soul very yummy

[wanton pendant]

It's not an Auric Soul.

[split mortar]

DoG wants to eat her due to being the predator to the gods but not any more then any other god her level i imagine

[balmy glacier]

someone should put dog in custody(no context here whatsoever)

[pliant ruin]

dog dosent have beef with provi in particular but god soul yummy so it'd eat her if he could but shes a bastard and keeps getting away with it]

teleports away and whatevs

[pulsar ocean]

do you get any benefits for being one of noxus' goons like dog

[split mortar]

Uhhhh
You can nuke a city idk

[balmy glacier]

you can become a snake

a very big and mean snake

[split mortar]

Noxus is why worms are so prevalent in calamity

[balmy glacier]

true

[north root]

you get to drink all the cosmolite you want

[balmy glacier]

and you can live in a world that looks like nilk hallucinations

can providence withstand temperatures equivalent to the sun?

well she is a fire goddess i should ask something else

[pulsar ocean]

goddess of profanity

[split mortar]

Depends on where
The surface? Yea thats a bit hotter then crags lava
Core? Doubt

[split mortar]

Ash

[pulsar ocean]

goddess of swear words

[balmy glacier]

does dog have any interest in deities that do not possess an auric soul?

[split mortar]

No gods have an auric soul

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt dog gobble up profaned guardians like chicken nuggets

[balmy glacier]

damn it keep overlooking that detail

[split mortar]

And in calamity if you didnt do the god ascension (which gives you a godly soul) you arent a god

[tropic oak]

demiur

[split mortar]

Stfu

[tropic oak]

LOL

[balmy glacier]

im knowledge of da lore is rusty asf

[pulsar ocean]

couldnt dog just chomp yharon whole and tp him to the distortion where noxus can no diff him and absorb his auric soul

[split mortar]

Do not bring the horrors to this land

[split mortar]

Maybe
But
Yharon can also like dodge and burn the fucker

[pulsar ocean]

ok just do it while yharon is sleeping?

[balmy glacier]

same outcome i presume

[split mortar]

Yharim would also kill dog

[pulsar ocean]

i dont think yharon has the reaction time to dodge a surprise attack thatd come out of nowhere if dog used his portal tech right after waking up

[split mortar]

Also dont think yharon fits in dogs mouth

[pulsar ocean]

you never know

wrong reply

[balmy glacier]

he is second strongest dragon for a reason

[pulsar ocean]

i dont think hes known for his reaction time

[balmy glacier]

🤫 you never know

[split mortar]

If dog does jump yharon for the auric soul it would prob be after all the gods are dead
Cause
Doing so is guaranteed death to dog via yharim

[pulsar ocean]

ok whats stopping dog from just making a portal to somewhere else like to cv after gobbling up yharon?

[split mortar]

Ego

[pulsar ocean]

i forgot he'd obviously gloat about his master plan after surprise attacking yharon

[fleet wedge]

A sequel to the Profaned Birb mod where dog turns into a cat

[balmy glacier]

not a bad scenario actually 🤔

[north root]

there are six types of souls in calamity
auric souls (the souls possesed by dragons that hold their domains, extractable)
yharic souls (the souls possessed by dragons that hold their actual life essence)
aurical souls (what auric souls turn into after being consumed by gods)
mortal souls (e.g. souls of fright or might)
world souls (the soul of a planet that fractures into auric souls)
soul of the tyrant (definitely still a required crafting material for soul of eternity)

don't disagree with me i know i'm right

[split mortar]

This fees like a shit post but also like not at the same time

[icy veldt]

Hmmmmm, I feel like that should be switched around

[pulsar ocean]

indonesia

[balmy glacier]

monaco

[icy veldt]

upper austria

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith got a moment for a illmeris question?

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

did illmeris and chrysadia exist at the same time?

[warm gull]

battle against a true tyrian

[split mortar]

I doubt it since fovos happened to chrysadia and ilmeris is founded by gods

[wanton pendant]

The better question would be had the Ilmeran sea been inhabited by the Ilmerians.

[young socket]

well there were ilmeran tribes

so

[dusk laurel]

if you mean the states, then theres a decent chance of no

if its like the people, pretty likely impo

[wanton pendant]

I'd say the chance is low since Ilmeris was founded by gods.

[dusk laurel]

chrysadia being destroyed =/= all chrysadians are dead

[boreal coral]

I have a question
Who exactly is Xeroc is he just the boss rush dude?

[random mulch]

xeroc is the first person to consume an auric soul and become a god

[boreal coral]

So was he just a mortal before that?

[random mulch]

yeah

[boreal coral]

Cool

[snow mountain]

that was my cat thats on me for putting the treat packet under the monitor stand

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

#spoilers message moment

[north root]

there are 7 types of souls actually

forgot about souls of flight

they are their own category entirely

they don't count as mortal souls because no mortal can fly (except wyverns and worm bosses)

if anyone else can fly it's because they absorbed a soul of flight at some point

[light linden]

ok ty

[cosmic zenith]

Np!

[frosty charm]

that's like 20% of all famous actors

[long bloom]

truth nuke

[sinful adder]

That sounds so stupid

Oh wait it's a joke

[versed jay]

So why the heck does darksun fragment, nightmare fuel and endothermic energy or whatever it's called is obtainable post dog?

[long bloom]

fabsolian game design

(they'll be obliterated dw)

[versed jay]

Oh

But what are they exactly?

[long bloom]

darksun fragments are uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

and the other 2 literally aren't canon

[north root]

i like nightmare fuel item's name

they should call a flamethrower that after the fragments get removed

[long bloom]

true

[plucky juniper]

turn it into a stronger gel ammo type

[frosty charm]

on chap 15 word 46441

steamhappy

[reef nova]

What are the limitations on Scal's necromancy?

Could theoratically revive an auric dragon?

I'm not sure how her necromancy works

[eager bluff]

to an extent

she could definitely have an auric dragons corpse walking around

but as is the case with necromancy across most mediums
even the best necromancers cant actually bring someone back once they've died

[reef nova]

I see

it's shame cuz I'd like to see Vetrasyl alive and well

[reef nova]

Also

how much of the power they had in their past gets kept after being revived?

[eager bluff]

exclusively physical power afaik

[reef nova]

Oh

I see

[eager bluff]

if a wizard is jacked and then dies, usually when resurrected they wont be used as a wizard

magical affinity is still there but the necromancer would have to go out of their way to empower the resurrected mage so they could do magic again

[sinful adder]

to expand on what john said, the soul is lost on death, so necromancy can't truly bring back a person, only make a new sort of life from a body

[fleet wedge]

How does Ravager work then?

[split mortar]

Wdym

[split mortar]

She can re animate the bones but nonmemories or soul will exist

[limpid saddle]

The Ravager is the re-combined soul & re-animated body of the God Of Sacrfices, with a bunch of regular human souls being whats holding it together

Given that God Souls collapse into essence upon said Gods death, the split is probably 40% Agnus soul & 60% Cultist souls by mass

[split mortar]

Zombie with the power of a god basically

[frosty charm]

Would someone attuned to a god (or a god straight up) be attuned to Auric or would they get flung because its not true or proper or wt

v

[split mortar]

Attuning to a god wouldnt let you touch auric and neither would being a god afaik

[woeful hatch]

Nah auric doesn't vibe with gods (at least, any god we have seen so far)

[frosty charm]

ok so braelor would have an issue with it

correct

[woeful hatch]

Yeah he can't wield it

[frosty charm]

writing a spar scene between him and an auric user so i assume hed get flung

[split mortar]

Yeah
Braelor i think just
Overpowered it anyways while fighting yharim

[frosty charm]

i mean he uses a weapon

and its a super big one

[split mortar]

Still gotta take hits from yharim and i doubt he would do so good if he got knocked back 30 miles every time

[frosty charm]

fair

i imagine it'd still hurt/surprise him (esp after being trapped in the time chamber) but prob not fling as hard

[split mortar]

And wood insulates electricity iirc

[woeful hatch]

Tennis match

[split mortar]

Sob

[woeful hatch]

Braelor is the ball

[reef nova]

Could I theoratically take back Vetrasyl soul from the god who took it, or died with it and insert it into the reanimated corpse of the dragon? What would it do?

[split mortar]

No you cant get a dragon back from the gods essence, otherwise yharim would have brought them back

[woeful hatch]

Just like you cannot unbake a cake, you cannot unascend a soul

They're forever united as far as we know

[long bloom]

1: when someone consumes an auric soul, it permanently merges with their original soul to make an entirely new one

2: god souls are so unstable they dissipate almost immediately after the god dies, just leaving behind their essence

and otonilou (who consumed vetrasyl's soul) is very extremely dead

[split mortar]

God souls are like
Monster undertale

[long bloom]

true

[reef nova]

Yikes

This makes me feel

not cool

🙁

Either way

at the very very very least it is possible to bring back the corpses of dragons

but as Scal showcased

it is not the best feeling

So we have established that it is not possible to put in an auric soul

but what about mortal souls?

Whaaaat would that do?

[split mortar]

Put in mortal souls to what

[reef nova]

The revived corpses

[split mortar]

Zombie

[reef nova]

Uhhh

so

[split mortar]

Necromancy in calamity sucks

[reef nova]

basically

I'm confused what you mean by zombie

I'm stupid

please xplain

[split mortar]

The zombie enemy

[reef nova]

[split mortar]

That sort of thing

[reef nova]

Oh

[split mortar]

Mindless murder corpse

[reef nova]

Yea we don't want that

Might aswell just have the corpse be a servant than a zombie

being a zombie isn't very cool I'd imagine

[split mortar]

Yeah

[reef nova]

Atleast you can make your revived creatures look cool as fuck

I mean look at Scal's brothers

[split mortar]

Tru

[reef nova]

Yea it kinda does

Like

please bro let me revive Vetrasyl and not have him be a mindless corpse or zombie

[visual kiln]

victor

[reef nova]

Please just let me see the goober alive and well

[reef nova]

Yes?

[visual kiln]

what if i add a y to the end of ur name

[reef nova]

Then

I'm a winner!

[visual kiln]

:o

YAYYYYYYYYY

[woeful hatch]

Sorry but that's not really possible in canon

Otherwise Yharon and/or yharim would have done it

[reef nova]

Yeah fair enough

[split mortar]

And they def didnt lack the resources

[reef nova]

Btw what are Silva's powers?

Yeah she's a goddess of life

[pulsar ocean]

She doesn't die

[reef nova]

but what exactly does that entail?

[reef nova]

So

just that?

[pulsar ocean]

She can bless animals

That's why Jared doesn't die of old age

[reef nova]

I see

still though

you'd expect a little more

[pulsar ocean]

Probably nature control or some lame ass nerd shit like that

[woeful hatch]

She seems to be able to control plants and life in general enough to make an axe so good that Draedon imitated her process to make Thanatos'

[reef nova]

Oh

damn nevermind that'$ cool as fuck

[pulsar ocean]

Are you a nerd

[split mortar]

Seemingly she has crazy support abilities since braelor and the primordial wyrm are both blessed by her

And both of those could put a pretty good fight to yharim

[pulsar ocean]

Braelor will be cursing Silva in 5000 years when everyone he ever knew will die

[split mortar]

Damn maybe just bless statis

[reef nova]

Shiii

That's crazy

[split mortar]

Silva is like the third strongest god we know of

[reef nova]

Well

we don't know a whole lot of gods and what they do

as far as I know atleast?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yeah

Idk

[split mortar]

Xeroc - primordial light
Shakidou - emptiness
Silva - life
Ravager/agnus - blood/sacrifice
providence - ash
Tyrian - seas
Otonilou - electricity
Slime god - its obvious
Thats all i think?

[reef nova]

Yea so there isn't a whole lot to compare but it's still crazy to see Silva as no. 3

I like to see that Life is actually really strong compared to other gods

[split mortar]

Yuh

[reef nova]

Hmmm

Imagine a blessed by Silva

Dragonfolly

Wait wait wait wait

Could she in theory bless an auric dragon

well

[split mortar]

Would explain why the boss is post moonlord for some reason
-# getting shot down to pre hardmode in the future

[split mortar]

If the dragons alive yeah

[reef nova]

Yharon

[split mortar]

Tru

[reef nova]

Holy shit it would be so over

[mighty zenith]

never ask a dragon supremacist who he was blessed by

[reef nova]

🔥 ✌️

Silva is actually op

I mean

any creature that's an animal

she can bless

and make that creature

absolutely crazy strong

[split mortar]

Immortal due to elemental and strong support from life goddess

[reef nova]

Yeah

Actually just imagine Yharon blessed by Silva real quick— even if it won't happen, just think about ehat it would do

An already unkillable unless consumed dragon

gets a crazy fucking buff

[split mortar]

Yharim blessed by silva

[reef nova]

It'd be so over for us

But that would never ever happen

I mean Yharim tried to kill Silva

[split mortar]

Neither would it for yharon

[reef nova]

Yeah

Unless she'd go insane or something

Hey yk what would be really cool

If she blessed us mid Yharim fight or sum to help us fight him

I mean it would kinda make sense righr?

[split mortar]

Sadly she looks like this in the abyss rn

[reef nova]

💔

[split mortar]

The bulb

Yharim goopified her

[reef nova]

I mean

[split mortar]

She would have to get to the aerie somehow

[reef nova]

maybe we'll be able to free her somehow

[split mortar]

Doubt we will be able to do that in game but maybe
-# and getting to aerie still a trouble

[long bloom]

she's a bag of sludge

i don't think we can do anything about that

[wraith yew]

Wait is this in the game rn cause beside xeroc silva and the bosses i cant seem to find other's name

[woeful hatch]

Xeroc, Silva , providence , slime god, ravager are in game

Otonilou iirc is mentioned in one or a few tooltips/descriptions

Tyrian and Shakidou iirc are not even mentioned as of now

[split mortar]

Not all of em are in game

But all of em are public

[long bloom]

otonilou is mentioned in one amidias dialogue and one bestiary entry

there's also the god of war and god of dogma that aren't mentioned

but are technically in the game

as the dominant consciousness in the perforator hive and hive mind respectively

(they're made of dead gods)

[sinful adder]

When was this released?

[real silo]

Like a month or two ago

17/8

[reef nova]

You'll never know

A lot of things are possible in calamity

With the power of friendship (Calamitas and Permafrost), we will free Silva

[split mortar]

Can my internet stop being shit

[crimson junco]

You're too smelly it fucking dies being close to you

[split mortar]

I had a shower last night fym

Mods, invert kiriwhites ankles

Some time ago

[split mortar]

@sinful adder

[reef nova]

I want to see Dragon of death's concept art bro

Or Vetrsayl's finished one

[split mortar]

Dont think it has one rn

Sadly

[reef nova]

yea ik

that's why I'm saying I want to see it

I just wanna commission a plushie of the auric dragons already

but I can't really do it if their concept arts are wip

[sinful adder]

Cool. Different than the previous one. More naked.

[split mortar]

Post ascension silva

[fleet wedge]

And what can you do with that essence?

[split mortar]

Make armour out of it (demonite/crimtane/hallowed armour and uelibloom)

[pulsar ocean]

Is he cooler than avatar of emptiness

[split mortar]

Idk i havent seen much about wotg

[woeful hatch]

Who is he in this situation

[reef nova]

A comparison ig???

[woeful hatch]

No I meant

Who are they referring to

When they're asking "is he cooler"

[reef nova]

I think

God of emptiness

Oh

shi

Shakidou

Never let me cook again

[pulsar ocean]

Who else from this entire list is related to emptiness

[woeful hatch]

Oh

Well we don't know much about the fucker

[split mortar]

Silva

[split mortar]

Second strongest god

Andp

Thats about it

[reef nova]

Who is the strongest?

[split mortar]

Xeroc the god of the literal sun

[reef nova]

Oh

I c

[split mortar]

Unmatched power of the sun is unmatched

[reef nova]

How the hell are we supposed to beat him then

Like what sort of gear

can help us

[split mortar]

You dont

Spar

Is the current plan i think?

[reef nova]

As if we already don't have reality cutting scissors

[reef nova]

well

atleast in the tooltip

[agile matrix]

am i allowed to powerscale yharim or will i be stoned for the thought

[reef nova]

Uhhhhh

see

[split mortar]

Reality cutting scissors vs the fucking sun
-# also tooltips are dubious due to exageration

[agile matrix]

as in “yharim would get folded by yharon”

[reef nova]

thing is

[woeful hatch]

You're allowed to do so but we already have a rough power level I believe

[reef nova]

we don't really know what to go off of any more

[split mortar]

Yharim prob wouldnt

[reef nova]

Atleast I don't

[woeful hatch]

This is just wrong , if they both were fighting each other at full power

[reef nova]

Since tooltips aren't confirmed to be like actually fr

I think

[split mortar]

The writers aim for city level

[agile matrix]

really? i woulda thought that if yharon were pitted against yharim, yharim would’ve been crushed

[split mortar]

Often overexxageration and so they dubious at best

[split mortar]

Yharims post scal

[agile matrix]

just like everything: dubious at best

[split mortar]

The writers aim for city level for like yharim to dog level characters iirc

[woeful hatch]

No Yharim is strong as balls, and stronger than anyone we've faced so far

[agile matrix]

are we judging based on boss progression, bc yharons technically post pillars

[cloud ibex]

no he's not

[split mortar]

Intended boss progression is accurate to their lore strength

[woeful hatch]

More or less

[split mortar]

intended yharon progression being post dog

[agile matrix]

doesnt he need effulgent, which needs solar frags

[reef nova]

What about prime ml though?

He doesn't seem very city-levelish to me

[cloud ibex]

sounds about right yes

[agile matrix]

or am i unc again and remembering bad calamity

[cloud ibex]

doesn't make him a post pillars fight though

[agile matrix]

thats technically post pillars, presuming someone is god at dodging

[woeful hatch]

Prime ML (Fovos) is stronger than Yharim

He's about Xeroc/Noxus level iirc

[split mortar]

City level means one shot a city and yeah prime ml prob where they aim for past that

[split mortar]

Between noxus and xeroc

[agile matrix]

like the most “eeeeerm actually” of you can fight this boss

[cloud ibex]

bosses aren't ordered in terms of when you Can fight them they're ordered in terms of when you Should

[split mortar]

^

[agile matrix]

but presuming a person can kill ml with a lawnmower given enough time and game manipulation

[cloud ibex]

and if we're basing powerscaling off of progression the Should is what actually matters

[agile matrix]

(i made a big fat material list a while back that shows the requirements to summon draedon and scal, for minboss)

[woeful hatch]

Consider this:

Most boss summon items aren't canon so it doesn't matter if you CAN do so post pillars in game, he's at post DOG in strength

[agile matrix]

this checks

[agile matrix]

this also checks

[crude musk]

Why would yhim send yhon so late? Did he want the enemy to ascend beyond his control?

[agile matrix]

still, i like to think yharim very feeble and old

[reef nova]

Yharon came by himself p sure

[cloud ibex]

he wasn't sent at all

[agile matrix]

i know he isnt but i brings reassurance

[crude musk]

So why didn't he kill you after ml

[cloud ibex]

yharon did that all on his own because he didn't want his only friend to die

[reef nova]

Prolly didn't think of us as a real threat yet by then

I think?

[cloud ibex]

so he goes after you hoping he can take you out before you can reach yharim

[reef nova]

Unsure

[crude musk]

Providence?

[agile matrix]

me holding up an egg with hydrothermic armor (i will be scorned in draconic flame)

[crude musk]

Come on you'd think he'd kill you after providence

[reef nova]

He might've been trying to find you by then

[crude musk]

Maybe he's just an expert procrastinator

[reef nova]

It's not like he can detect everyone and anyone

[crude musk]

Yharim has direct access to your mind

Or did yharon just leave without asking yharim anything

They did say goodbye to each other

[split mortar]

Yharon may just not know where you are and so just
Hunts after ml but doesnt find you till whenever you fight

[reef nova]

Yeah but Yharim didn't really have to tell Yharon about the terrarian

[agile matrix]

who’d win: john calamity or one single green slime

[reef nova]

This p sure

[crude musk]

Green slime (satanist)

[crude musk]

Very sad

[reef nova]

Yharim would probay stop Yharon from going

[woeful hatch]

New headcanon: yharon fucking sucks at finding shit

[reef nova]

Not really when you know what Yharon did

but yes it is supposed to be a tragic tale

[crude musk]

Yharim was such a liar he didn't even tell his bestie about this cool new plaything

[reef nova]

And Yharim

[cloud ibex]

i'd wager a guess beating DoG is the tipping point where yharon goes "ah fuck yharim isn't surviving this one is he"

[agile matrix]

“… dude i just realized, the terrarians gonna be here soonish. i gotta go kick their ass. be right back.”

[crude musk]

Ig it makes sense

Dog is the first time you directly attacked one of Yharim's past alliss

So maybe that made him think not the fact you became so strong

[agile matrix]

yharon pulling a quick one on the player and attacking once yharim gets low

i should start asking base calamity chat on what gear to use for yharim and act like the fights being difficult

[cloud ibex]

that's gonna be pretty difficult considering he's still gonna be stuck in the respawn queue for another decade by the time you fight yharim

[agile matrix]

how does bro get back when i use the egg again

[crude musk]

Yharim eating Yharon's soul, invalidating his entire purpose in life just to prolong the fight for 2 seconds

[split mortar]

Refights not being canon

[agile matrix]

he’s a phoenix
he just
gets back up

[split mortar]

Takes a decade oer rebirth

Yharim will die of age before yharon comes back

[agile matrix]

me waiting a decade b4 fighting to make it more difficult

[woeful hatch]

Well Yharim is gonna be dead

Of age

[agile matrix]

free loot :)

[crude musk]

Yeah but no more yhim drops

[agile matrix]

his treasure bags gonna be right there wdym

[fleet wedge]

Imagine pulling The End from MGS and just waiting till Yharim dies of old age

[crude musk]

No he despawns

When a boss despawns they don't drop bag

[agile matrix]

he died

[woeful hatch]

New Yharim fight idea: when he's picking up his sword he gets a back ache because he's old and can't fight

[agile matrix]

plus slime god despawns the paladins quite often and it still bags

[agile matrix]

YES

[mighty zenith]

he's old!

[crude musk]

True

[mighty zenith]

yharim is so strong because he's an old man

[crude musk]

Yharim has a heart attack at 24% hp and the fight ends there

[agile matrix]

the old man is strong because he’s gerson*

their age is not the empowering, its simply the association

[mighty zenith]

nop

[woeful hatch]

Ok who's the lesbian Yharim is training

[mighty zenith]

me

[woeful hatch]

I'd say Calamitas but she's ace

[agile matrix]

ssssccaaaaallllll…..??

[agile matrix]

okay not her uhhh

[woeful hatch]

Robots don't count garbo

[mighty zenith]

the terrarian?!

[agile matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[mighty zenith]

WAIT IT'S LEA

[agile matrix]

click the libk

[real glen]

"Its you!"

[split mortar]

LEA

[agile matrix]

my eyes hurt

[mighty zenith]

yharim will train lea...

[split mortar]

LEA CHANNEL

[mighty zenith]

no

[split mortar]

Lea is canon to calamity

[split mortar]

Molly????

[woeful hatch]

Can't wait for Léaland canon in calamity

[agile matrix]

QUICK LOREHEADS: WHOS CANONICALLY LESBIAN AND COULDVE BEEN TRAINED BY YHARIM

THE MIMIC FROM SECRET OF THE MIMIC

THATS INE

[split mortar]

Lore chatters seeing this chat devolve into lore rot the 500th time this week

[woeful hatch]

The only lesbian in calamity so far is providence I think

[split mortar]

Or one of the guards

[woeful hatch]

Yeah

[agile matrix]

She’s what

[crude musk]

Is that actually confirmed?

[woeful hatch]

Yeah iirc lesbian polycule providence is considered canon

[split mortar]

Yes

[mighty zenith]

well that's not necessarily confirmed

but it is a thought

[split mortar]

But its known

[crude musk]

Kinda based

[mighty zenith]

ye

[agile matrix]

calamity? woke?

never…

[woeful hatch]

Braelor and statis are gay

[agile matrix]

never….

[split mortar]

Braelor and statis being boyfriends

[crude musk]

Yeah I knew that alr

[split mortar]

Slime god is gender fluid

[agile matrix]

never……

never……….

[woeful hatch]

The player character is gay (because it's you)

[split mortar]

Bandit is they the m

[agile matrix]

never and a lot of periods

[pulsar ocean]

Would the mimic from fnaf secret of the mimic beat yharim

[crude musk]

Gender change potion

[woeful hatch]

Do y'all think you can use gender potions to skip periods

[agile matrix]

would jesus christ cross up the canonical devil from calsmity like he did to the Actual Devil in 24 AD

[pulsar ocean]

Idk man ask a woman

[crude musk]

What would happen if you got pregnant and changed gender afterwards

Would you explode?

[agile matrix]

dionsyus situstion

look up how he was born

[mighty zenith]

what canonical devil

❓

[split mortar]

Red devils

[mighty zenith]

oh yeah

[crude musk]

I mean zeus is just freaky like that

[agile matrix]

idk theres likely a The Devil from The Bible equivalent

[split mortar]

Signus

[mighty zenith]

uh yeah jesus would fuck those guys up

[crude musk]

Noxus

[mighty zenith]

fraudnus

[agile matrix]

we gotta have “Ruler of all of Owie Zowie” somewhere

Jesus H. Christ doing this to noxus

or signus, or really whoever its really damn funny anyhow

[woeful hatch]

Nope we don't

[agile matrix]

how

[woeful hatch]

By "owie zowie" I assume you mean evil

[agile matrix]

we dont have a guy who commands the realm of suffering ANYWHERE in the game ABOUT suffering

[mighty zenith]

i mean. clamity's story is kind of about not blaming everything on one side

having one big bad that did everything bad and should die goes against that

[pulsar ocean]

Why isn't calamitas rapidly violently exploding into pieces

[crude musk]

Auric rejection

Oh wait misread

[agile matrix]

see thats yharaud
i need Jesus Christ to cross up yharim

[crude musk]

Um built different

[crude musk]

Xeroc vs yharim is the closest you're gonna get

[agile matrix]

what about a guy who is in charge of handling all the dead people, individually from who killed them

like charon

[crude musk]

And xeroc won pretty easily

Well the god that ate the dragon of death is dead

[agile matrix]

We have immaculate artists in this community, don’t we?

[crude musk]

So the entity that did that died

[crude musk]

Commission one then

[agile matrix]

im broke :(

[crude musk]

Same

[agile matrix]

also idk whod draw the best “Jesus the Christ folding Yharim’s ankles and balling over his ancient ass”

[crude musk]

You can always pick up art

Make your own dreams a reality

[mighty zenith]

jesus vs yharim would just be that one mural of thanos

[agile matrix]

dude if i could you’d see my work next to Doom

my RIDICULOUS hands and my lack of motivation (audhd :))))))))))) ) balls and chains me

[agile matrix]

?

[crude musk]

Goes hard

[agile matrix]

its 330 am and i am giggling at this

whys he blue

[mighty zenith]

idk

[reef nova]

Get a job then

I got one and now I can commission whatever I want

[dusk laurel]

what?

[reef nova]

.

I worded it wrong

[abstract spear]

[real glen]

Is Wulfrum made of wolfram

Tungsten in otherwords

[wanton pendant]

Maybe.

[crude musk]

Are creatures from the distortion the only ones capable of bridging the gap between worlds?

Do you have to use one of their portals like ceaseless to go there?

[frosty charm]

As far as we know, only DoG can cross over at will

[crude musk]

Signus too

[stuck goblet]

hey

[wanton pendant]

We don't know if anything from Terraria can create portals to the Distortion.

[stuck goblet]

how are you doing today

[wanton pendant]

Fine.

[crude musk]

How would you even come back from the distortion

[wanton pendant]

Make a deal with Signus.

[crude musk]

Draedon went there and mined cosmolite

[ivory vigil]

Why he blue

[wanton pendant]

He went through the front door (Ceaseless Void).

[crude musk]

And how do you find it in the distortion

[wanton pendant]

Either that or DoG opened a portal.

[crude musk]

Or does it just sit there

[wanton pendant]

Probably in lakes.