lore-discussion

[versed jay]

Everything he did, exo Mech fight for observing us (Terrarian) is all just for science ;-;

[wanton pendant]

Yes exactly.

[versed jay]

Yharim using child soldier is just uhhhh

[wanton pendant]

He's literally the bad guy.

[versed jay]

Villain of the story and prob final boss after or before xeroc

[long bloom]

before

and it's been explicitly confirmed numerous times he will be the final boss

[wanton pendant]

Slime God Awakened Form:

[long bloom]

goozma is not canon unfortunately

[wanton pendant]

Perfect Eye of Cthulhu:

[sinful adder]

We actually don't know if draedon has a soul

[long bloom]

that already exists

[sinful adder]

I think I remember a writer implying that draedon counts as life for the purpose of Silva

[wanton pendant]

Empress Bee:

[long bloom]

is a queen not akin to an empress

[versed jay]

It's an addon so I can see why it's not cannon

[wanton pendant]

It's a higher rank.

[wanton pendant]

At least somebody gets it.

[long bloom]

it was decanonized from basecal before the addon was made

[wanton pendant]

Hyper Crabulon:

[long bloom]

it used to be an actual thing

in the ancient times

[wanton pendant]

Wasn't Goozma an early name for Noxus or something?

[long bloom]

goozma was originally full power slime god, then got slowly ship of theseus'd into noxus

[sinful adder]

Yeah

The name lasted longer than it being related to slime god

[wanton pendant]

Thus the philosophical conundrum; Is Goozma Noxus, or did at some point it stop being Goozma?

[sinful adder]

I think

[long bloom]

goozma is decidedly not noxus

[sinful adder]

It should have stopped being goozma when it stopped being slime related

[wanton pendant]

Poor Theseus.

A questionable amount of effort was put into making Slime God seem impressive, I'm finding.

[frail hearth]

does anybody feel like humoring me for like 2 seconds

Made a concept for a rouge character. Is it any good? ;0;

the basic idea is a competent assassin who's good at his job but is cripplingly paranoid and a little clueless in low stakes casual contexts like talking to people

[pearl halo]

i think thats for another chann

[feral skiff]

GUYS LOOK ON THE WIKIPEDIA MAIN PAGE

[long bloom]

nice

[slate axle]

any character can be a good character. the real juice as to whether a character is good, is wether or not they're written good

but i can judge the art! which is great, certianly better than what i can do

[frail hearth]

I know a little too much about child neglect and hating your dad, so I'm a pretty sure i could write someone like Illreinn ok? >u>;

I'm also fond of the silent badass who's mysterious and broody until you learn they're actually just really socially awkward trope. @u@

[grand carbon]

HOLY SHIT

[sinful adder]

?

[visual kiln]

hiiiiiii

[sinful adder]

There's nothing special

[pearl halo]

oh my godness

[feral skiff]

"today's featured article"

guess what Calamity is a mod for?

[sinful adder]

Oh it doesn't show up on mobile

[long bloom]

yeah it does

[ionic harness]

lore reason?

[frosty charm]

personally not the biggest fan of "x important character's long lost relative" tropes but that's all i really have to say

i can't really say much since a character reduced to bulletins isn't ever really interesting sans design

[frail hearth]

yea no that's kinda what's making me a lil hesitant about the concept 😬

[frosty charm]

i mean if you think you can write it well do it anyways

[slate axle]

then write!

[frosty charm]

i mean im 40k words into a fic about a glorified dragonfolly fursona so i can't judge any writing

[slate axle]

put your character in an interseting situation and see what happens :3

[slate axle]

i would actually say that qualifies you more to judge writing.

[frail hearth]

a 40k dragonfolly fursona fic sounds banger tho >u>

[frosty charm]

to be fair they're only 50% fursona

[slate axle]

no, theyve written 40,000 words. not from warhammer 40k

[frail hearth]

literally some of my favorite wrighters do like... almost exclusively fanfic @u@;

[frosty charm]

this is the first real fanfic i've written, sans a jjk dnd i used to run and a rain world depths thing i didn't finish

[frail hearth]

I know, that's what i mean to say. sorry if that didn't come off right ;0;

[frosty charm]

i mean i understood fine

[slate axle]

nah youre good

[frosty charm]

byeah like i said just write about them if you really like them

something something every story has been told but not by you

[frail hearth]

I feel like with canon-related characters you gotta put emphasis that their realtion to whoever's their relative isen't their whole character.

[frosty charm]

the lion does not concern himself with "character traits" or "good storytelling"

only hype moments and aura

[frail hearth]

cus like i've seen people write how their characters are like the son of X guy and Y gal and they inherited like super epic powers. Illren just got unpersoned after he failed to inherit anything cool.

[frosty charm]

i mean a good way to balance it out is just

let them get their ass beat

[frail hearth]

yea no obv

[frosty charm]

my character has nearly died or lost fights 3-4 times now

also general rule of thumb for a protag in terms of powers; make them simple

[frail hearth]

no worries there. Illreinn's as simple as it gets. he's a rouge because he became a slime ninja in return for a roof and food.

he just throw knife good >u>

[frosty charm]

then yeah if he's not a generic power fantasy self insert just go for it

doesn't even have to be something wrong, just write a small piece you like and see if you want to go forward from there

wrong? long

[frail hearth]

im a girl lol he's less a self insert and just an outlet to vent about generational trauma lol @u@

[frosty charm]

fuck

then yeah use him to tell that story

or don't i can't really force you

[frail hearth]

i have a handful of blorbos and the idea is none of them take on any fight in the mod alone. because like god damn vanilla terraria's bosses are horrifying in their own right, let alone calamity's ;0;

like we're playing a video game character but i could not win a fight agaisnt a giant eyeball with teeth irl x-x

[frosty charm]

i would because i'm cool

[frail hearth]

damn that's cool

[frosty charm]

anyways if you do end up writing don't forget to plan for it; stuff like worldbuilding, characters, arc, chapter layouts etc

much easier with a general idea than just winging it, can lead to never truly progressing in the story

[frail hearth]

yea no i'm not going anywhere without a design doc and an outline.. learned that lesson via an askblog i had a while back >u>;

stories are easier to write if you know what's gonna happen next panel

[frosty charm]

also it could always be worse (electric hedgehog pokemon shaped elephant in the room) so don't worry about it too much

[mossy ibex]

Also!!! Scope creep is the devil
Be wary of it

[mighty zenith]

what did togedemaru do...

[frosty charm]

that too

[frosty charm]

zap to the extreme

[frosty charm]

i'm soorta suffering from this (though i am going off of ingame i don't explain it all that much (first draft)) but it's nice to have a final thing laid out

instead of "this is the big bad" -> "no THIS is the big bad" -> "ok THIS is the real big" -> "what the fuck dude

like there are twist villains and that's fine but don't abuse it

[frail hearth]

most of my ideas for Illreinn aren't even like the fights. it's mostly like unlearning survival behaviors Yahrim literally beat into him by like having heart to hearts.

[frosty charm]

i mean yeah that's where most character moments come from

[frail hearth]

I like writing people talking to people

[frosty charm]

i fucking suck with dialogue i have someone to basically write yharim for me

[frail hearth]

when it comes to dialogue for someone else's character my main concern is staying in character y'know?

Like i don't know who the real Yahrim is, I know who my interpretation of who he is via his dubiously credible ramblings about how cool and powerful he was.

[frosty charm]

yeah i get that

from what we know

actually someone else could prob say it better

whatever i'll try anyways

somewhat poetic with how he speaks, usually pretty long winded

[frail hearth]

I see him as kind of a depressive and cognitively dissonant dictator who started with a good cause in mind but eventually let it become an excuse to justify whatever atrocity he was responsible for. Whether it was out of convenience or worsening apathy's left vauge but i think it's a little of both.

[frosty charm]

frames himself in the best way possible; only really bringing things up when they have to be (literally every boss ingame)

his view on morality is incredibly black and white

he does admit to being apathetic and negligent, but it's towards objective problems like the polterghast and potential threat and nothing like the billions of people he killed

we know he does regret how he treated cal somewhat so he's not completely devoid of empathy, just doesn't really have it for those not close to him

[frail hearth]

well i mean like... Did he feel bad becasue of how he treated cal or was it more mourning a powerful war asset?

[frosty charm]

"Eventually, the girl's horrific sin was too much for her to bear. She left my side along with her mentor.
The weight of her deeds haunts her to this day. She despises me, and I cannot blame her.
Please, if you would... show her respect where I did not."

[frail hearth]

ah yes the horrifc sin you were directly resposible for >u>

[frosty charm]

frddddddddddddddddddddd=-=---

cat

[frail hearth]

hello bonnie's cat :D

[frosty charm]

anyways while he doesn't directly claim responsibility it is clear that he does regret the way he treated her

like he's not the type to apologize

even if he did

[frail hearth]

I can see where you're coming from i guess. It's hard for me to give him too much slack i guess. not sure why >_>;

[frosty charm]

that wouldn't do anything

[mighty zenith]

the problem is that his "good cause" was always to murder all gods for revenge

[woeful hatch]

Hmmm, well he definitely cared about both sides of her, but he seems to be actually regretful about what happened to Calamitas

This didn't stop him from asking draedon to replicate her power

[mighty zenith]

his way of bringing them to justice is murder

[frosty charm]

i do believe he genuinely believes they're all genocidal maniacs like

not saying it excuses it

[mighty zenith]

he didn't become bad, he became worse

[frosty charm]

but i don't think he's doing it just for revenge sake, also for justice

[frail hearth]

ah yea.. sorry i thought he like wanted to kill like specifically the gods that got their auric souls through genocide and it eventually spun into killing all gods, such as Silva who from what i've been told had a "perfect assention"

[mighty zenith]

well

[frosty charm]

minus a single fat piece of shit in the room most of the bosses believe what they were doing was right i believe

[mighty zenith]

all gods got their souls from killing a dragon

[frosty charm]

the ones that are sapient at least

[mighty zenith]

to yharim it doesnt matter how or what the circumstances were

as long as a dragon died, the god has to die as well

[frosty charm]

"Now you know… Good intentions or no, all Gods are sinners. Each and every one complicit in genocide."

[woeful hatch]

Well, the problem is that he was too eager to generalize

All of his and yharon's experiences with gods were really bad, which I mean, I'd understand left him with resentment, but at the same time, the generalization to "some of the gods enslaved me and were bad, a dragon was good to me, that means every dragon is good and since every god killed a dragon , every god must be bad"

Like, you can see his logic but you can also see it's flawed

[frail hearth]

is it ever elaborated on what perfect assention means? >_>

[mighty zenith]

they could have repented their "sin" all their lives through good deeds

[frosty charm]

nope

[mighty zenith]

doesn't matter

[frosty charm]

only that xeroc had one too

[mighty zenith]

they deserve death

[woeful hatch]

Essentially it's an ascension where you manage to keep the EXACT domain as the dragon

And involves the use of the terminus somehow

[mighty zenith]

mhm

[woeful hatch]

Like, providence killed the dragon of flame, but since the ascension was imperfect, she became the goddess of ash

[frosty charm]

zeratos was actually the god of macguffins

[woeful hatch]

Whole Xeroc absorbed the soul of Zerastros, the god of primordial light, and with his perfect ascension he became the god of primordial light

Aka the same domain

[frosty charm]

the sun itself is one big macguffin that will be important for potential superboss

[frail hearth]

I'm just starved for like ascention mechanics in general tbh... like yes a dragon has to die for a god to get their powers, but also if Silva was such a benevolant and beloved god from what i've seen would she have really taken an auric soul by force?

[woeful hatch]

I believe only Xeroc and Silva were confirmed to have had perfect ascensions

[woeful hatch]

What if the old dragon of life was evil

That's the thing yharim failed to understand too

No species is entirely good or entirely evil

[frail hearth]

yeyaea

the nueance is what he missed.

[frosty charm]

my theory(closer to a headcanon) is for a perfect ascension a dragon has to be willing and it has to involve the terminus somehow

[frail hearth]

and what i desperatly crave GOD what i wouldn't give for an artbook of this mod ;0;

[frosty charm]

your best bets are following the artists on twitter and then just compiling your own or smth

[mighty zenith]

my headcanon is that the terminus allows the dragon's soul and the person's soul to fuse correctly

[frosty charm]

also brb i need to write the yharon thing before i forget

[frail hearth]

yea that's good for galleries but like i'm talking design choices and thought processes.

[mighty zenith]

they become truly one being

[frail hearth]

godspeed! o7

[mighty zenith]

and i also like to think zeratros is in xeroc's head like nail in DBZA

so xeroc isnt too lonely

[frail hearth]

yeyea

[woeful hatch]

There's a link to a page on this channel's pins with some concept art for characters

[frail hearth]

tho for clearity's sake having people talk to you inside your head dosen't really do a lot for lonelyness. It just makes stuff louder and harder to focus on >_>;

i'll spare ya'll my lore™ but tldr i am diagnosed with disassociative featues ;0;

[mighty zenith]

not like xeroc has much to do anyway

[frosty charm]

not like he does much anyways

[woeful hatch]

Well it could be that, or it could be like each person has their own mind space and then like a combined mind for the god itself

[frail hearth]

could be, yea :0

given how gods can and have deviated from one domaine to loosely related domaines via assention, i think them fusing is more likely

tho the DBZA neil idea's a lot more fun >u>

[woeful hatch]

Personally I like thinking it like, perfect ascension the person and the dragon are in harmony, while in imperfect ascension the soul of the person dominates the soul of the dragon

[frosty charm]

ok im done for now

[frail hearth]

good job on your wrighting thing :D

[frosty charm]

thanks

[frail hearth]

oooo i like this

[frosty charm]

tomorrow i just have to write a fight scene then i'm done with chap 12 and i only have 5 left

[frail hearth]

what if the dragon overpowers the wouldbe god?

in like an imperfect assention i mean

[woeful hatch]

Well if the dragon was that powerful they probably wouldn't have died in the first place

[frosty charm]

true

dragon practices ascension ritual with their buddy

soul gets ashbabyd

[mighty zenith]

i assume that it would deny the ritual

which is why it works on dying dragons

[woeful hatch]

I could make a poetical parallel to how the terminus, which is equally white and black, represents the equilibrium between the two souls in perfect ascension

However, I believe its getting resprited so it wouldn't really make too much sense

[long bloom]

yeah it's Moss Rock now

[woeful hatch]

Oh wait we have the resprite already?

[frail hearth]

shoutouts moss rock

delicious

[split mortar]

Boss rush 1 encore

[tropic oak]

hi

[long bloom]

yeah

[frail hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-deltarune-dance-gangnam-style-gif-23205960

[frosty charm]

honestly i still need to think of a way to get into the aerie (might just make it dragon attunement = yes)

[long bloom]

the whole time

[split mortar]

Gay people

[long bloom]

helo

[frosty charm]

epic...

[mighty zenith]

hello john music

[frosty charm]

embed...

FAILURE

[frail hearth]

...one day i'll remember embeds are turned off ;u;

[tropic oak]

i have a song in storage for vcmm now loaded

waiting for another song to come out

[long bloom]

WHAT IS IT

[frail hearth]

hiii

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

[mighty zenith]

haha

[tropic oak]

take a wild guess

[long bloom]

oh shit nice

[mighty zenith]

OOO

one of my favorite vcmm songs

[woeful hatch]

Sup

[mighty zenith]

:3

[frail hearth]

what's vcmm?

[woeful hatch]

Vanilla Calamity mod music

[split mortar]

Vanilla calamity moss moss

[long bloom]

it's peak

[frail hearth]

ah yea. don't think i've ever installed that one :0

[woeful hatch]

The only OFFICIAL calamity addon, it replaces vanilla tracks with new calamity music

[long bloom]

you should

[mighty zenith]

its good

[long bloom]

because it's peak

[frosty charm]

er her her

music

er her her

[mighty zenith]

give it a try next time you play

[split mortar]

Garbo why

[frosty charm]

slaps belly

[frail hearth]

I usually just roll with the homestuck music pack usually >u>;

[knotty pewter]

totally unbiased you should install vcmm its sick

[long bloom]

[frail hearth]

It makes the night theme for the tundra Moonsetter and I adore that song too much to switch to a different pack ;u;

[frosty charm]

i usually listen to whatever slop playlist i get or else vi/halcyon memories on repeat

[frail hearth]

look say what you will about homestuck, the music team was littered with talented musical icons. Ya may know one of them as a certain annoying dog who makes video games :3

[long bloom]

true

[stiff berry]

vanila calamity moss moss

[long bloom]

my sister forced me to watch act 1 and the music before the meteor hit went so unnecessarily hard

[frail hearth]

Speaking of toby, coincidentally he composed that song i mentioned earlier. Moonsetter >u>

it's one of my favorites of his

[tropic oak]

lore

[frail hearth]

sburban jungle's pretty fire

[long bloom]

#music-discussion

[tropic oak]

true

[frail hearth]

look Toby Fox's discography is ESSENTIAL to understanding Yahron's character arc and backstory

[stiff berry]

hi ty ant :)

[long bloom]

i go sleep gn

[frail hearth]

speaking loosely of lore relevent yahron music, DM Dokuro's recent stuff's really nice too ^u^

[mighty zenith]

to fu

[stiff berry]

hi garbo:)

[frail hearth]

i need to listen to it all the way through still, but I love his sound

[mighty zenith]

hii

[frail hearth]

also gnight Xzeir!

[stiff berry]

[frail hearth]

...Shit should i not talk about him? I'm out of the loop but i've heard something went down between him and the community so like i wanna check if i should avoid bringing him up >_>

[frosty charm]

This is the shit draedon sees when yharon goes phase two

[mighty zenith]

nah its fine

[frosty charm]

It's not a taboo afaik

[frail hearth]

ok good cus god DAMN i love his stuff. both original and fandom ;u;

cavestory rearanged is so good

[stiff berry]

dm left the mod/community an age ago its not an issue to talka bout him but ya

[mighty zenith]

yesss

just dont go harrassing him in comments basically

[stiff berry]

yaya

[frosty charm]

I don't think he has his comments turned on

[frail hearth]

obvi not that's lame

[mighty zenith]

he does on his new stuff

[frosty charm]

That might just cal stuff

Yeah

[royal plinth]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2816188633

coincidentally, while you asked that question, I was in a meeting with the VCMM devs about ways to increase the general visibility and availability of the mod to the player base

[frail hearth]

I'm excited for the yahron resprite

it looks very cool ;u;

[mighty zenith]

hello ozz

[stiff berry]

ozza sighting

[frail hearth]

ohi!

[frosty charm]

Set up a bot that advertises it whenever music is mentioned

[frail hearth]

thanks! i'll give it a go next time i launch the game :0

[mighty zenith]

the lotus flower cracks me up every time

[royal plinth]

it only renders correctly on my phone

on my desktop it's just tofu

[frosty charm]

It looks fine on my phone

[royal plinth]

i feel like it's part of my legacy now and i can never remove it

[mighty zenith]

thats like popup ads

[woeful hatch]

Which lotus flower

[frail hearth]

would musicpack resources overide the mod? asking cus i'm not sure what takes priority and wanna know if i should disable mine before trying hte mod out >n<;

[frosty charm]

Also iirc wasn't yharon at least a tad bit racist towards the non wyverns
I remember wraith sending me something about him only acknowledging the real dragons and like one or two offshoots

[frosty charm]

And?

[mighty zenith]

the one in ozzatron's name

[royal plinth]

mod wins over resource packs always

[frail hearth]

ah good to know ty :0

[woeful hatch]

Oh I'm blind

[mighty zenith]

popup ads are the most annoying thing next to unskippable ads

[royal plinth]

you should get that checked, what with being a giant eye and all

[frosty charm]

I can think of a more annoying thing

[tropic oak]

you know what else the calamity population is blind to

[stiff berry]

LOL ?

[woeful hatch]

I mean, giant red eye of fire, you have any idea how much money I spend on eyedrops

[tropic oak]

vcmm and its team of so awesome, and so cool developers.

[mighty zenith]

reading?

[frail hearth]

i can't read i've been faking it for years >u>

[royal plinth]

"tofu" is a colloquial / vernacular term used for the default rectangles which render in place of an unknown unicode glyph or character

because they are small white rectangles I guess?

[frosty charm]

Oh yeah something I 100% recommend in cal ficks is giving them some sort injury from a boss fight because I did it and it's cool and stuff

[stiff berry]

mm. tofu block

[tropic oak]

-# Which means you should go install it on your playthrough.

[royal plinth]

one of the issues I always see in the patreon discord

people ask "what's vcmm" and someone responds "it's peak"

that is incredibly unhelpful and does not actually convince people to install it

[frail hearth]

it's nice to know it's peak, but it's even better to know what it is >u<;

[woeful hatch]

Make a bot that whenever someone says "it's peak" it links the VCMM steam page

[mighty zenith]

you know what they say about assuming

it makes an ass out of u and vcmm

[frosty charm]

Yummy....

[frail hearth]

I'm immune to ass

[royal plinth]

what

i shouldn't be taking this bait nvm

[mighty zenith]

[frail hearth]

I'm being silly dw

[frosty charm]

Mister kraaaaabbss

[frail hearth]

i don't know what being immune to ass would even mean lol @u@

[stiff berry]

[royal plinth]

generally though, yes, if you said something like

it is a music expansion mod for Calamity which replaces the vast majority of the Terraria soundtrack with calamity style songs by a variety of musicians

also the songs are straight fire

that would be totally fine and helpful

[tropic oak]

i am unsure if you are genuinely asking, but it is a music expansion mod, to the main calamity mod, it replaces most if not all of vanilla tracks.

i am one of many developers that are working on the mod. it's a really cool project.

[frail hearth]

i know now! someone explained it to me earlier. i'm checking it out next time i launch the game :D

[tropic oak]

Excellent news.

[mighty zenith]

shoreline my beloved

[frail hearth]

i do love my funny comic ost but it's about time i try something new after... oh fuck me a over a decade now jeez ;u;

[woeful hatch]

I can't wait to see what the people at VCMM have in mind for the hallow

[tropic oak]

we havent started on da hallow yet

but the names for themes are auraful

[mighty zenith]

its quite rainy in this world

[frail hearth]

rain's lovely

[frosty charm]

It looks like there's going to be a downpour

[mighty zenith]

im watching 👀

[frail hearth]

what is this some kind of "rain world"?

[frosty charm]

Dude I fucking love the new watcher endings

Have you got them yet

[mighty zenith]

i dont have watcher actually

ive also barely played the game tbh

[frosty charm]

Damn you're missing out

[mighty zenith]

i made it to the uhh really dark place with scissor birds

[frosty charm]

Missing out harder

Memory crypts

[mighty zenith]

yep

lost a lot of progress there and got mad

[frail hearth]

i wait for the designated lore nerd channels to beat the game and get my slugcat knowledge that way >u>;

[frosty charm]

There is a much easier way to get to 5p

Unsolicited advice (everyone's favorite) Miros birds have the second worst ai ingame so like

Have fun with that

[mighty zenith]

they freak me out but im also going into the game completely blind

[frosty charm]

I've beaten each campaign (except gourmand) at least twice, some 5x now

[mighty zenith]

i had to look up one thing about the algae guys cause i didnt understand how they worked

[frosty charm]

Algae guys?

Leviathans?

[mighty zenith]

no the vine thingies

[frosty charm]

OH monster kelp

[mighty zenith]

ya

[frail hearth]

i wonder if anyone's made a slugcat for mr.plauge's yet :0

[frosty charm]

I saw an infection campaign mod

[tropic oak]

you know what i wonder about

Lore

[frosty charm]

I don't

[mighty zenith]

yes true

[frosty charm]

Yaawnn

[frail hearth]

ok but like who would win

[mighty zenith]

thank you for moderating for me john vcmm vcmm

[frail hearth]

spearmaster or name a calamity boss

[frosty charm]

Technically spearmaster since they can come back infinitely until they win but they're gonna need a billion attempts

[frail hearth]

i mean that's how we win too lol >u>

[tropic oak]

im not moderating i Pinky i Just like Lore .

[stiff berry]

bro likes lore ?

[mighty zenith]

uncanny cat golf

[frail hearth]

Lore makes the world go round

[frosty charm]

Do we know any way to get into the aerie because I've been stuck on three ideas

• Terminus
• Dragon Attunement
• Cool Draedon Machine that forces it open

[woeful hatch]

Hmm no we don't know it but we can discard the third I believe

[frosty charm]

Sighhhh... There goes the two gatekeepers concept...

[frail hearth]

prolly attunement. if yahrim used the terminus he would've had it on him and thus couldn't be at the bottom fo the abyss

[woeful hatch]

Draedon tells us "you wanna reach the tyrant, but I can't assist you"

And tells us he doesn't know where it is

Or how to access it

[frail hearth]

yea cus he's a dummy

[woeful hatch]

Dragon attunement is also impossible because we have no dragon to attune to

[frail hearth]

we named his stupid robots WAY COOLER NAMES than he's ever thought up we'll figure it out

[tropic oak]

well. who do we know who has gone to the aerie

[frail hearth]

pretty sure just xeroc and yahrim right?

[tropic oak]

or wait. i read that wrong.

[frosty charm]

I'm pretty sure it'd be similar to tricking auric

[tropic oak]

disregard.

[frail hearth]

we canonically wait 10 years and become besties with Yahron's decendant. bayum. free arrie ticket baybeeee :D

[frosty charm]

You're not actually attuned but your wearing a cool dragon scented purse so it lets you in

[woeful hatch]

My guess is yharim will tell us whatever ritual to access it

When we're ready

[tropic oak]

perhaps there is no requirement to enter the aerie

there are none left to stop you from entering afterall

all of the dragons are dead

[woeful hatch]

No canon yharon descendant

[frail hearth]

requirements:
* Periferals

[woeful hatch]

Then draedon would have found it

[tropic oak]

well do you think the home of the dragons is going to be easily like

findable

[frail hearth]

i mean yea that's what the ten years is for >:U

[woeful hatch]

Yharon would just rebirth himself and probably attack us again. He keeps his memories in between rebirths

[frosty charm]

Currently it's a tear/portal in the acropolis due to the black sun that isn't letting the protag in, that's all I have rn

[woeful hatch]

I mean, how tf are we finding it if Mr "I have multiple machines made specifically to spy and observe everything of note" can't find it

[frail hearth]

i want the smol yahrons to be canon one day. the one with the sprite based off the old one will be named nugget and we will all cherish him

[tropic oak]

that is not what i was getting at

i am just saying that

what is stopping us from entering aside from the fact that its just hard to find

there are no dragons

[frosty charm]

So I haven't gotten anything down yet, the tear is somewhat convenient but tbf noxus has been fucking with reality for a while so

[tropic oak]

they had no guards

no nothing

[frail hearth]

maybe just cut the soul in half so he like reincarnates as two dragons this time.

[woeful hatch]

Well I presume it'd be magically hidden or something

[frosty charm]

That's a mistake. Twice the yharon. Still angry at you.

[tropic oak]

correct. still not the point i am getting at

[frail hearth]

dreadon's a scary motherfucker i'm sure he could figure it out with preptime

[woeful hatch]

With only trusted people being given access

[frosty charm]

They can work together.

[tropic oak]

im walkin on da aerie nice and free

aint nobody stoppin me

[frail hearth]

yea but like trust in who? ;0;

[frosty charm]

Anyways I might just go for the dragon Attunement; with enough dragon flavor on you it lets you in but otherwise it doesn't (killing yharon tricks it or something idk)

[frail hearth]

didn't we kill the last guy who could get us in on the trust card?

[woeful hatch]

I mean yeah once you get there probably nobody's stopping you

But the original question was "how tf do we get there"

[frail hearth]

or at least put him out of the game for 10 years

[tropic oak]

oh

well

idk

[frail hearth]

fukkit imma walk

[tropic oak]

fly into every cloud and pray

[frail hearth]

i need my steps today anyway

[frosty charm]

I know what I want the aerie itself to be like I just don't know how I want them to get in (and now why draedon would be useful)

[frail hearth]

I'll like Roanoa Zoro myself into that bitch. I'll get so lost in the suace and cardinally i'll end up in the magical dragon land

[woeful hatch]

Draedon's useful because of extra tech and information on the world, lore-wise? And while he's also the biggest threat (unless noxus is), he's also the best hope for the world to return to normal, somehow

[frosty charm]

I mean in mine noxus is yeah
Also the world probably isn't returning back to normal unless draedon works overtime for 10 years

[frail hearth]

yea like... that's one question

who's the endgame? Yahrim or Xeroc?

[frosty charm]

In terms of the game, Noxus and Xeroc

[zealous shale]

How much do we know about Xeroc?

[frosty charm]

He likes to aura farm and took Zeratos's soul

Potential god

[zealous shale]

Mostly in terms of morality

I’m assuming not at all yet lol

[frosty charm]

Chill dude, though extremely bad at his job of protecting the planet

[frail hearth]

Yahrim most players would prolly have a motive for going after Yahrim, but like What the heck are Noxus and Xeroc doing?

[woeful hatch]

Yharim is the final boss planned, noxus and Xeroc are superbosses post Yharim they're MAYBE doing after him

[frosty charm]

Are you asking for ingame or the story because we literally know nothing about why they'd fight you

[frail hearth]

yea i know ._.

[woeful hatch]

Noxus seems to be probably stockpiling power via DOG eating godly essence and it probably going to the distortion

Xeroc is vibing

[frosty charm]

Noxus is evil and Xeroc

[zealous shale]

Killing Xeroc because “wait Yharim was kinda cooking this god killing stuff is fun asf”

[real silo]

Noxus is typical big bad dimensional creature

[woeful hatch]

Nah, it'll be a spar most likely not actually killing him

[frail hearth]

most i know about those two is what Wrath of the gods covers, and that's like first off not canon and second off DEFFINENTLY NOT noxus and xeroc

wwwwwwink

[mighty zenith]

xeroc's fight would be a spar rather than a fight to the death

[tropic oak]

^

[mighty zenith]

since he has no reason to kill you

[real silo]

Garbo fight would be a fight to the death

[mighty zenith]

yeah

i would fight you

[frosty charm]

Would you lose?

[tropic oak]

i'm gonna fight garbo

[mighty zenith]

✊

[tropic oak]

good luck garbo

[real silo]

I solo two garbos at once

[mighty zenith]

i got gay robots on my side

[zealous shale]

See you say that but Xeroc simply underestimates how evil and absurdly strong I am

[frosty charm]

How gay?

[zealous shale]

And I KILL them.

No I don’t I’m lying

[woeful hatch]

Are they single

[tropic oak]

i love xeroc ❤️

[mighty zenith]

twelve gay

[mighty zenith]

nop

[frail hearth]

that's a lotta gay :0

[frosty charm]

How many robots

[real silo]

Oh yeah?

[woeful hatch]

Damn

[frosty charm]

We need to scale them

[mighty zenith]

many

[real silo]

I ULTRA kill them

[tropic oak]

i love xeroc so much i made, with a friend, an 11 minute, completely original theme for him that I have yet to post.

[frosty charm]

More or less than 8

[real silo]

If you love him so much

[zealous shale]

Hold on..say that again…

[mighty zenith]

maybe

[frail hearth]

Is Solyn gay and also single

[real silo]

that again

[woeful hatch]

Oooh nice

Speaking of Xeroc themes have you heard the dodged music one

[mighty zenith]

xerocodile gets the theme it deserves

❤️

[tropic oak]

yes. we actively talked about it while it was premiering.

very nice inidivudal.

[woeful hatch]

Niice

[tropic oak]

i have heard both

[frosty charm]

I like the Yharim install theme in yomi

[tropic oak]

i myself am not a fan. they do not represent Xeroc in the way I think they should.

[frosty charm]

I'm gonna be taking most of my fight scene inspo from something I choreograph in there

[tropic oak]

my good friend Forge made that. Excellent.

my theme will more than likely end up being the one in the xeroc yomi mod

truly excellent

[woeful hatch]

I liked their Xeroc theme but I'm more of a fan of Ignite my Flame and project E.X.O of theirs

[frosty charm]

The xeroc yomi mod

[frail hearth]

WAIT THEY PUT YAHRIM IN YOMI???? :0

[woeful hatch]

Yes

[frosty charm]

Yes

He's been in there for a while

Neener neener I said it first

[frail hearth]

THAT'S SO COOL

[tropic oak]

he as been in there for quite some time

[tropic oak]

Yes.

It has been in an unfortunately very stagnated development since two years ago.

[frail hearth]

i know but i never hear about yomi unless another RHG icon gets a mod >u<;

[tropic oak]

very true

i really like xeroc.

[frail hearth]

shoutouts the real ones at Hyun's Dojo

[frosty charm]

Fuuuckkkk

[frail hearth]

i wish i was good at yomi it's the coolest game to watch

[real glen]

ah yes should I post the yharim yomi video again

[tropic oak]

you should post Xeroc

[frosty charm]

I just make Yharim kill people in singleplayer

[frail hearth]

I like WotG's Xeroc NAMELESS DIETY. I dig it's sorta madoka magica witch vibes

[tropic oak]

https://youtu.be/q8s2XBgiz7M

xeroc..........

[frail hearth]

using photos and clashing graphics helps sell the feeling we can't totally comprehend what we're seeing.

[frosty charm]

Yea

[tropic oak]

no thats dumb and stupid

[fallen kindle]

does thanatos have servos inside him

[frosty charm]

YOU'RE dumb and stupid

[frosty charm]

Probably

[frail hearth]

me scraping the delicious copper out of the exo-mech's wiring

[mighty zenith]

fun fact: yharim's armor works on springlocks

[fallen kindle]

yum

[frail hearth]

not canon. Calamitas remains un-stuffed into an animatronic suit

[frosty charm]

I had an idea for a cool scene where the protag uses draedons body to body block a Thanatos laser but it wouldn't work because they combus to a sneeze

[frosty charm]

Well yeah. The springlocks were retired by the time she came around.

[woeful hatch]

Make them use a piece of scrap from another exo mech

[frosty charm]

That could be cool

[mighty zenith]

thanatos stops charging to not harm their creator

[frail hearth]

dreadon's body is replicable tho

[mighty zenith]

draedon snarky remark on this move

[frosty charm]

"...Quite unnecessary."

[mighty zenith]

yeah but he doesn't like wasting resources

[frosty charm]

Or "neener neener try again STUPID"

[mighty zenith]

the exo mechs probably are programmed to cease fire on draedon equipment

[frosty charm]

Using like

The eye plates from Artemis/Apollo could be cool

Or a chest piece from Ares

[mighty zenith]

a BIG mirror

[frosty charm]

The idea of Thanatos is that they have to get close when they're firing, when they get behind them Thanatos just puts shields back up

[woeful hatch]

Ares' faceplate would be really cool I feel like

[frosty charm]

Oh yeah that could be sick

Or do an mgr where they pick up some weapon like 100x their size and clash

(I'm not doing that)

[woeful hatch]

That would be cool for another scene but not to block a laser IMO

[frosty charm]

((probably))

[frosty charm]

I mean there's not really another scene to do it with since dog wipes most of them pretty easily (tears her arms off so she's out of the fight) and Provi has no weapons to clash with

Maybe noxus but I already have the hype moment and aura planned for that

[mighty zenith]

ive had the idea of ares ripping out thanatos' spine out of its destroyed body for years now

[frosty charm]

Why would he do that : (

[mighty zenith]

new weapon

[woeful hatch]

I meant another scene of the exo mech fight but you could do it with prime

Have them pick up the chainsaw to clash with the vice

[frosty charm]

The story starts from cultist but yeah it could be in the exo mech fight since it's a bit less character relevant than the others; it's what it is ingame instead of having more character weight tied to it

Maybe they do it v ares (going to use that one Fargo's video as inspiration and have them use the giant swords) to kill it since I don't think their base abilities would do much

But it might be too big of a jump in power iunno

Maybe their new draedon arms are secretly really strong!

Oh since the protag is like 20% draedon tech would trigger that "no draedon tech damaged" loophole or not

Probably not since it's minimal and ancient anyways but it'd be a funny interaction

[frail hearth]

he'd probubly have a backdoor to bypass someone using his tech against him?

[frosty charm]

Yeah probably

[woeful hatch]

Play wrath of the machines for yourself and use that as basis for the fight

It's a standalone mod that puts eternity exo Mechs over normal exo Mechs

[frosty charm]

Maybe

[woeful hatch]

It's not even laggy, especially if you turn backgrounds off

Especially since every duo of exo Mechs has its own really cool interactions via combo attacks

[pulsar ocean]

They should make a "wrath of" mod for every postml cal boss

[frosty charm]

Mainly because that sounds difficult

[frosty charm]

And then name it... Wrath of Wrath of the Gods

[woeful hatch]

It's not that difficult really

[woeful hatch]

The fact is that the eternity mode calamity mod hasn't gotten to that point yet

They've reworked every calamity boss till CalClone, and then old duke and Exo mechs

[pulsar ocean]

The old Duke one is released?

[woeful hatch]

Well it's not a standalone mod

[pulsar ocean]

I've only seen clips

[woeful hatch]

But yeah it's in eternity

[pulsar ocean]

Why didn't they name it wrath of the old prick

And release it on its own

[ancient pier]

Hmmm

If the Wall of Flesh exists to hold the remains of Gods, why would we destroy it?

That seems kinda evil

If that’s what it still is in-lore

[mighty zenith]

allows progression

you could call it a necessary evil

or just evil if thats how your terrarian is

[wanton pendant]

You are correct, it holds the essence of dead gods.

The particulars of why YOU do it are obviously up to you.

[lethal basin]

damn man the lore is so good now

i used to play 6 years ago and the lore was super interesting then but hard to piece together

but now esp with the dradeon communication it makes so much more sense

[split mortar]

The reason your terrarian kills it is up to you
You can just say voodoo demon drops it before they can react and kills wall in self defence as a possible thing
Up to you

[split mortar]

The draedon communication is really cool

[feral skiff]

Keeping the lore vague and easy to explain is good, telling the player everything at once is bad

“show, don’t tell” basically

[woeful hatch]

Go go gadget robot infodump

[feral skiff]

if the entire lore of a game could be explained in the bare minimum of 5 sentences then i’d consider it good design

[woeful hatch]

That doesn't necessarily make a game good nor bad . There's games for which complicated lore fits better, and games for which simpler lore fits better

Especially if you mean the entire LORE of something and not just the plot of the game

[feral skiff]

yeah true

i’m talking about the plot

[wanton pendant]

It takes a hell of a lot more than five sentences to explain what the hell happened here.

[split mortar]

Piss man killed people and left
You get stronger and eventually fight piss man

[pastel bay]

Lovecraftian horror fought thr dragons, who won but cost them their lives. People took the dragon souls and became gods, with one person refusing. Said person went on a crusade to kill the gods. A calamity happens.

You appear.

Really only need 4 sentences

[lethal basin]

well there are some plots for which this approximation is representative enough

[wanton pendant]

You forgot the robot man.

That's the fifth sentence, of course.

[soft geyser]

Wait images are back?!??

Since when

[zenith geode]

10/04/2025

[untold oracle]

Yes

Flood this channel with learo images now

At eveyorne

[ivory sundial]

Ok so

Calamitas is a girl

and hates exo mechs

crator

righ

[untold oracle]

Yes!

Although i dont know if she really holds a grudge against Draedon in specific

Other than the whole Yharim thing

Oh waitttt the clone thing

Uhh probably

[wanton pendant]

If someone cloned you without consent I doubt you would be pleased.

[dusk laurel]

this user has not entered this wretched land in years

wakes up and is surprised things are different

[pulsar ocean]

how much exo mechs would it take to beat yharim

[split mortar]

2 sets of exo mechs fucking beat his ass

[twin stone]

First time getting the proper WorG ending

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

I think they typod wotg

[wanton pendant]

Wrath of rich Gods.

[twin stone]

Yeah

My phone keyboard is really bad

I never usually manage to collect all the books

But damn the note man

Ima do the 16 minutes of hell next

[pearl halo]

LMAO

[frosty charm]

depends

do they get my aura

[wanton pendant]

Probably not.

[frosty charm]

then yeah i hate them

[pulsar ocean]

how would you know

what if having a clone is cool

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but you don't know why they were making a clone of you.

What if they made it to commit crimes so you get framed.

[strange stump]

my terrarian has a funny hat and bells that they use to play songs with :)

[mighty zenith]

fa ri du la si ma net

[fierce pagoda]

jojo enemy names in part 8:

[pulsar ocean]

there was no jojo lion in part 8 its mid

[strange stump]

Da na fun su low ba!

[split mortar]

The rot

[pulsar ocean]

La li lu le lo

[woeful hatch]

Can't wait till araki plays silksong, starts liking the music, and names the stand of the next protagonist " hollow knight silksong OST"

[split mortar]

A new age of terrarian rot may arise

[pulsar ocean]

But then araki forgets

And replays silksong again

[cosmic minnow]

SPACE

[plucky juniper]

what does this even mean

[wanton pendant]

The Terrarian is you and you're angry.

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

Fuck you

[warm gull]

#saveyharim2028

[split mortar]

The markening is happening

[real silo]

Is that V1

[versed jay]

No it's shockwave

[real silo]

shockwaV1

[north root]

is the lore done yet did we finish

can we stop using this channel now? thanks

[wanton pendant]

Still working on it.

I need to figure out where Teddy Roosevelt fits into Calamitas' backstory.

[light linden]

[north root]

fun fact teddy roosevelt is six years younger than calamitas

[fresh oak]

Question regarding Draedon’s lore,

It says that he had machines roaming in year 1385. Does the year connect and correspond to the year in irl? Like 2025 being the same year as 2025 in terraria or is 1385 equivalent to say 1900

[long bloom]

the current day in calamity is around 1887

(as in when the terrarian shows up)

[fresh oak]

Terrarian being us yes?

[long bloom]

yes

the terrarian is in fact you

[fresh oak]

Wasn’t Yharim also a terrarian

It was talked about

[long bloom]

technically everyone native to terraria (the name of the planet) is a terrarian

but yharim is human yes

[fresh oak]

So humans are terrarians and are not a gamer

We the player are just different

[long bloom]

the terrarian isn't you as in the player in the real world, they're just your OC

[fresh oak]

Ok

Also a while ago I saw something that mentions how draedon knows that we can somehow “respawn” or come back to life

[long bloom]

respawning isn't canon

and neither are boss refights (except scal)

[light linden]

I mean

[fresh oak]

Wdym expect scal doesn’t she give up after we beat her?

[light linden]

the exo mechs might be

[fresh oak]

Except*

[long bloom]

yeah but you can fight her again as a spar

[fresh oak]

Just to confirm draedon was originally human and then made himself a robot

Well was organic not human

[long bloom]

draedon has always been 100% robot

[fresh oak]

Are you sure? I was reading on the wiki regarding the questions the play asks about him

[long bloom]

which wiki

[eager bluff]

its unclear

[fresh oak]

Calamitymod wiki.gg

[long bloom]

ok that's a bit disingenuous

[eager bluff]

we dont know who the guy in the room was, draedon doesnt either, but we do know that draedon doesnt give a fuck

[long bloom]

there's evidence to suggest draedon's creator built him to transfer their consciousness into, and it was successful but they lost all their memories

but it's not confirmed

[eager bluff]

its not a stretch to say it could have been some botched consciousness transfer and in fact its so little of a stretch that the devs have acknowledged it as something that could have happened

[fresh oak]

Hmmm yeah I can’t find anything anymore which mentions that he converted himself to a robot

[light linden]

they're the only other boss that would have a reason and the ability to fight us again after being destroyed

I'd imagine draedon would be willing to test them out again

[fresh oak]

Also I don’t know why people think that draedon is some crazy killer maniac. I mean he is but he mentioned that if anything he does affects the planet he lives on. He will immediately stop it for example the plague

[fresh oak]

He does

[light linden]

nobody claimed he is

[fresh oak]

He has memory of the previous fights that you won

[light linden]

he is stated to be amoral

[fresh oak]

A lot do

[light linden]

there's a difference

and his reasoning for not wanting to kill literally everyone is uh

shaky at best

it's because there's more for him to research

[north root]

if you kill everyone then no science seems like pretty solid reasoning

[light linden]

which means once he's done researching the planet he very well might pull a brainiac and just obliterate the planet

[eager bluff]

isnt that only partially what braniac does

[light linden]

we have no idea what he'll do in the end though

he could just

leave

[light linden]

yeah but it's a good enough analogy

the only missing part is making a copy of the destroyed planet

which who knows

draedon might do

it's likely that won't be until thousands of years in the future though

[fresh oak]

Oh yeah he also mentioned that he wants to find out a way to instantly transmit like matter across 2 different points (teleportation) but there are literal examples of this happening like moon lord teleporting. Rod of discord technology

Etc

[light linden]

that isn't quite the same

rod of discord is short range

wired teleporters are well

wired

[fresh oak]

Yes but he can reverse engineer it. Understand and make it better

[light linden]

he wants wireless long range teleportation to transport large amounts of minerals

[fresh oak]

He’s done it before

Couldn’t he also just learn magic and apply that,

[light linden]

no

[fresh oak]

Like how he reversed engineers a sea prism to make exoprisms

[north root]

draedon can't do magic

[light linden]

that's

not how exo prisms were made

[eager bluff]

he doesnt reverse engineer a sea prism

[light linden]

exo prisms are sea prisms

[north root]

sea prisms are science

[light linden]

just made more efficient

[eager bluff]

sea prisms jacked up on about 20000mg of caffeine

[north root]

well no not really actually sea prisms are probably otilonouou goddess magic

i maintain that tyrian is a deadbeat and didn't actually design illmeris

just took credit for half of it

[fresh oak]

Why can’t draedon learn magic?

“Many years were spent optimizing and building upon both the laboratory and myself to assure constant progress.”

Also this is the quote I’m referring to when I asked if draedon was first a human

[north root]

draedon is a very smart 'puter program

ai can't do magic, this is why wizard schools generally don't have to deal with chatgpt

[fresh oak]

Do you think draedon will later on incorporate organic into his body to be able to use magic?

[light linden]

ok for context

it's less learning magic

and using it is the problem

he has been shown to make magical weapons

[north root]

he doesn't wanna use magic because his science is better

[light linden]

but can't use it himself with the same ability as a human

[light linden]

now that's uh

probably not true

thanks autocorrect

[north root]

computer programs cannot do magic. they don't even start with 20 base mana. they start with 0. they start with 0 base mana

[north root]

it's what he tells himself every night

[light linden]

I uh

I doubt draedon sleeps

[north root]

when he looks at the big crater where calamitas clone used to be

[pearl halo]

did somebody said

[light linden]

and the dude literally uses guns that use magic

[north root]

you don't need to sleep for it to be nighttime

[fresh oak]

How do we know robots don’t have 0 mana

Just use a mana star smh

[north root]

draedon can't use mana stars because he doesn't have a tongue

you need a tongue to consume mana stars

[fresh oak]

He will learn magic eventually and be able to teleport or something idk

[north root]

they actually use science

[fresh oak]

He will resurrect the lunatic cultist and install some neural link brain chip to have control over it

[light linden]

science

literal magic damage

that consumes mana

[north root]

he can't use those weapons though they are for other people

[fresh oak]

If we break it down what even is mana? It’s something physical no?

[north root]

he's so charitable and generous

[fresh oak]

Facts

[tropic oak]

mana is stored in the balls

[north root]

capacity to magical

[north root]

its only magic damage when we use it obviously

[fresh oak]

Agreed

[north root]

if draedon used it it would deal SCIENCE damage

[light linden]

I

[north root]

you

[light linden]

ok this is a bit

[north root]

a bit of science

[fresh oak]

^^^

Draedon uses magic to enhance himself and his neural brain

It’s his secret mech he hasn’t disclosed

[north root]

anyway we all know my stance is that draedon is a figurehead anyway

a mere puppet for hypnos and miracle boy

[fresh oak]

How many drinks do you think draedon can have

His mechs would be done after 4 sakes

Do you think draedon would play rogue class?

[north root]

yharim is melee, xeroc is rogue, draedon is ranged (pulse rifle)

[dusk laurel]

draedon would either be a summoner or ranger

[crisp valve]

Hi, can anyone please tell me where is it specified that yharim was killing not just gods but also all their worshippers?

[dusk laurel]

yes

[crisp valve]

because every time someone explains why yharim is evil they mention this fact, but I struggle to find the source of that info in game

[dusk laurel]

skeletron prime lore whisper

I organized them into shock troops, dreaded for their flamethrowers and incendiaries.
Leveling places of worship and torching those falsely devout, their expertise lay in unmaking faith with flame.

[north root]

his weapon of choice is the pulse rifle

[crisp valve]

thanks, that clarifies things

so basically yharim never had a goal to exterminate all god-worshipers, but he was fine with his followers killing them

[north root]

i mean he definitely didn't like the god worshippers

almost as much as he didn't like those little green fellows

[crisp valve]

Yharim did nothing wrong

[north root]

the green fellows had it coming

[dusk laurel]

he wanted them all dead

[crisp valve]

prove it

[eager bluff]

no he. actively told his guys to kill them

[crisp valve]

prove it

[eager bluff]

the lore item that was just posted

[crisp valve]

my interpritation of it has a right to exist just like yours

[eager bluff]

oh you're one of those people ok

[dusk laurel]

😭

[long bloom]

[north root]

its not their interpretation its. the lore

[crisp valve]

it's not stated in the lore that yharim wanted the worshippers dead. it's only stated that he organized the guys who wanted them dead

[north root]

this is a justification yharim would use

which i guess means i can't disagree with you

because of course yharim knows the lore better than the devs

[frosty charm]

Erm... heheh... Yharim isn't real... He can't know anything...

[north root]

yharim is real

otherwise why would we even be discussing the calamity lore

what would be the point

[frosty charm]

fuuuucckkkkk

[feral skiff]

does anyone have a cool image of yharim

[pulsar ocean]

coolimageofyharim

[crisp valve]

you are talking like there are uncool ones

[long bloom]

yhim

[feral skiff]

THANKS

[pulsar ocean]

Jared Leto

[topaz coral]

I'm curious, how does Cthulhu fit into Calamity's lore, and why are many of the bosses in Calamity so much stronger than him?

[woeful hatch]

There is no Cthulhu in calamity lore

[topaz coral]

What's moonlord, and the cultists doin there then?

[long bloom]

moonlord is a space creature

cultists worship dragons

[topaz coral]

What about the Eye and Brain of Cthulhu?

[woeful hatch]

Moon lord is the remains of a being called Fovos, which a long long time ago came to Terraria and fought the dragons, and brought his armies (the celestial pillars) too

The dragons barely won and didn't manage to kill him, but they did manage to seal him on the moon

The cultists are from the dragon cult, and keep him sealed

[long bloom]

cthulhu is another word for big monster

[woeful hatch]

They're just called that but don't come from any being called Cthulhu

It's just a way to say of a big monster yeah

[topaz coral]

So is the Calamity lore anywhere near the scaling of vanilla Terraria?

Or is it a vast nerf of basically every creature?

[woeful hatch]

Vanilla terraria doesn't really have much of a lore, in general, it's barely drawn out outlines which are dubiously canon since by the words of the creator, it has no lore

[topaz coral]

It does have lore though, we're told through the game that it's literally Cthulhu that we're fighting lmfao

THE Cthulhu btw, not some off-brand octopus monster
The nigh omnipotent eldritch horror

[woeful hatch]

The nigh omnipotent eldritch horror who apparently can't even regenerate his own body and has to rely on people making him new body parts from a random ass mechanic

Anyways as I said, base terraria has a vague outlines of a lore but not a proper lore

[topaz coral]

Via using countless souls of sacrifices, using magic beyond comprehension to piece together parts that could hardly even compare to the real thing, and are stated to be incomplete.
The Druids of Terraria nearly went EXTINCT simply trying to IMPRISON Cthulhu, and considering they're the protectors of the balance of Terraria's world itself, they're pretty damn powerful all on their own, but were left nearly powerless after their battle with a SINGLE Eldritch Deity

[tropic oak]

All up to interpretation, of course.

[woeful hatch]

Also did you know that if Moonlord is Cthulhu, as in actual Cthulhu

Mf got knocked out by a boat ramming into him

In the H.P. Lovecraft story where he was rising up from R'lyeh

Incomprensibile eldritch horrors vs a boat

[topaz coral]

The bestiary states That Moon Lord is "The mastermind behind all terrors which befall the world, freed from his lunar prison. Practically a god, his power knows no limits."

[woeful hatch]

Ok and yet we kill him

So he has limits

[tropic oak]

Limitless Power
Fucking Dies

[topaz coral]

Because he was in a weakened state from having fought an entire ancient race of dryads

[tropic oak]

maybe with that unlimited power he shouldve just regenerated faster

[woeful hatch]

True!

[tropic oak]

id argue our moonlord is stronger than vanilla moonlord

[topaz coral]

^^

[pulsar ocean]

Why didn't he just use tp to teleport away from the moon to the healing planet (a planet that heals you)

[woeful hatch]

Infinity - extremely large number = Infinity still

[topaz coral]

if the best Supreme Calamitas can do is vaporize an ocean I'd say it's pretty far off

[woeful hatch]

If it's truly limitless

[tropic oak]

an ocean the size of, what was it, two and a half Portugals (?)

[topaz coral]

Have you researched into the cosmology of HP Lovecraft?

[tropic oak]

wait im sorry did u just come here to powerscale

[topaz coral]

Compared to what Cthulhu is capable of that's quite literally nothing

[tropic oak]

ur “nerf” word caught me off guard

[topaz coral]

Somewhat, I'm just trying to figure out where Moon Lord fits into Calamity's strength ranking, and if Calamity's original characters actually scale beyond Vanilla Terraria or not

[woeful hatch]

Except we never see Moonlord do stuff that requires that much energy

Calamity Moonlord nearly killed an entire race too, and it was dragons

[tropic oak]

oh. i see. arguing with a fool only proves there are two. good luck.

[topaz coral]

Moonlord in both instances brings your entire world into the void just so you can fight him

[woeful hatch]

Powerscaling is stupid, fucker got slammed by a boat

Yes, H.P. Lovecraft has beings with power over the Dreamlands, which are infinite for every infinite universe of the outer layer of normal reality, etc (I've read the books and even bought an "atlas" of the Dreamlands)

But powerscaling is fuckin stupid as a concept , because even those insanely powerful being are shown being beaten by normal means for the most part

[rough plume]

How is this related to calmod lore

Chat, let's discuss why Yharnim was lwk valid

[topaz coral]

Idk why you're tryna make this philosophical, we're talking about a video game here lmfao, we're just having fun

[woeful hatch]

Very funny, now where are the roiling horrors and the flute men that lull azathoth to sleep if we really are in the void?

He just makes the sky black

[eager bluff]

powerscaling talk never results in fun

[woeful hatch]

He doesn't bring the entire world in the void

And even if he did, that doesn't mean he has power over the void

[rough plume]

Well I tried to save this chat

[topaz coral]

There are reasons that they're beaten is such ways though, such as the instance you're talking about which likely was Cthulhu's AVATAR in the physical realm, and not Cthulhu himself

[tropic oak]

I think we need to blow you up.

[topaz coral]

That's your experience, I find it fun personally

[eager bluff]

yeah this is what i mean by powerscaling talk never results in fun

[rough plume]

I mean at least at the start he was

[woeful hatch]

Ok, then so is Moonlord

Terraria is also a physical realm

[rough plume]

Later on he got a little.. wild

[tropic oak]

no, i don’t think so

[woeful hatch]

It's not in the Dreamlands

[woeful hatch]

Even at the start he had the goal of killing ALL the gods not just the ones who enslaved him

[topaz coral]

Fair point

[tropic oak]

he ended up slaughtering over like 150 million people

insanity

[rough plume]

Idk man.. if I got cast into hell for refusing to absorb an unborn diefic being's soul I'd be prone to killing the ones who caused a genocide too

[rough plume]

Which.. he was valid for, since to ascend to godhood they needed a soul

[eager bluff]

i wouldnt be prone to killing a hundred fifty million people but thats just me

[rough plume]

I'm not saying the direction he went was good but hey

An eye for an eye

[tropic oak]

At the start, I don’t believe he was right either

[eager bluff]

that is in fact not how that works

[long bloom]

some dragons gave their souls willingly

[eager bluff]

nor is an eye for an eye a good policy

[woeful hatch]

The. Gods . Are. Not. A. United. Front.

The "genocide" was a slow , and varied process that took place over multiple centuries. Not all dragons were good, and not all dragons were bad

[tropic oak]

Couldve stopped the cycle of calamityyyyyyy

the dragon of flame was a dickhead though.

[long bloom]

true

[rough plume]

All the same in the end, only a single one of the race remained after the eventual genocide of the dragons

[long bloom]

pluh

[rough plume]

Which I doubt there'd be any way of him confirming

In the end, looking at it from his perspective, he was valid

[long bloom]

ok i'm blowing you up now

[tropic oak]

I believe this user has missed the entire point of Yharim

[rough plume]

God forbid I wanna be a terrible person 😔

[woeful hatch]

No it's NOT The same. If a random guy kills a dragon that's threatening his village or whatever, he's not responsible for the deaths of all the other dragons

[rough plume]

You.. know what the dragons are in calmod right? 😭

It's not "random guy kills dragon", most were slaughtered in search of their souls

Hell it did all start bc of Xeroc

Who.. I dunno much else about aside from his origins as a monk

[eager bluff]

the assumption of "all gods have absorbed a soul so all gods deserve to die" is an inherently black and white assumption that ignores any nuance in motivation or actions of either party and also doesnt fix the issue of the dragons being dead which is ultimately what yharim realistically cares about

[woeful hatch]

There were a LOT of gods and there were a lot of dragons

Mine was an example, but the concept of "not everyone who killed a dragon did so for personal gain" is an important concept

[long bloom]

perfectly said damn

[rough plume]

Lemme put it this way: His motivation was valid, the path and choices he made were, however, not, granted it's easier from a modern perspective to go "oh that's bad I'd never choose that", but t'is what it is

[eager bluff]

no his motivation was not valid

[woeful hatch]

Listen I understand if you find Yharim hot or whatever but you don't need to justify his actions

You've been convinced by his words because you've just looked at his accounts which of course are biased and he's trying to convince you

The hallow for example is like that because it's the essence of good gods

[rough plume]

His motivation for beginning being revenge for the slaughtered dragons? Pretty valid imo

[eager bluff]

the misdeeds of one do not equate to misdeeds of an entire race

[long bloom]

it's just revenge for the sake of revenge
killing the gods didn't help anyone

especially not the dragons

[tropic oak]

ALSO

[rough plume]

Did the entire point of my reiterating my sentence just not land or

[eager bluff]

its not even his revenge to take

[tropic oak]

ALL OF THE DRAGONS WERE ALREADY DEAD

WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE

BRO SOLVED NOTHING

[eager bluff]

he holds no stake in said vengeance

[north root]

it actually did help all the dragon because when the gods die then yharim can just bring the dragons back surely of course definitely