lore-discussion

[woeful hatch]

I meant like, yes he had the tech to do so, but he didn't care until it was very late and so decided not to do it

Kinda like dealing with the dungeon stuff, he could have dealt with it but he didn't really even if he could

[split mortar]

Tru

[light linden]

I wonder what the dryad thinks of draedon

[zealous shale]

Does the dryad just kind of exist in cal lore

[light linden]

They have ties to Silva

[zealous shale]

I meant to ask that as well, how do the vanilla npcs fit into everything, are they just kind of there

[light linden]

That's it for now

[zealous shale]

Ohhhhh

[zealous shale]

Poor mechanic getting her work stolen by Cal lore smh

[woeful hatch]

Well the cyborg was augmented by a guy who wanted to be better than draedon

The clothier and old man was cursed by the dragon cult because he trespassed

Uuh

Dryad is a follower of Silva

[zealous shale]

Well it’s not like the vanilla npcs are too relevant to base games lore either

It’s mainly just that small few

It’s cool though

It’s still funny how lunatic cultist is literally just the reverse of what they are in vanilla

[slate axle]

i really suppose its up to how you want to view Yharim. i did read him as a tragic, but undeniably evil, villain at first. and for my story im sorta twisting the knob away from sympathetic and more towards evil.

[zealous shale]

To me I just find it more interesting if he genuinely does feel remorse

For stuff except the actual god killing

But he’s so far gone and mentally fucked that he can’t really be redeemed

[slate axle]

It really is!

I love the official version we get of Yharim

Its mostly just me tweaking things to make a better story. The yharim that works for my story probably wont for the official mod, nor do I want them to try.

[woeful hatch]

Yeah I do think he feels remorse for some things, but there's other stuff for which he doesn't do that (and not just killing the gods, more like the killing of worshippers and stepping on other people's freedoms)

Which is what makes him evil, and irredeemably so

[slate axle]

But yknow- I think we can all agree that having an abuser curse their victim to have an overwhelming desire to return to their abuser when they escaped is extremely fucked up

[woeful hatch]

Huh?

[split mortar]

If given the option to do the crusade again he would do so but better including avoiding things like using scal

[split mortar]

Thats old lore

[slate axle]

Oh is that not canon anymore? Its hard to find updated info

[split mortar]

The lore document in the pins:

[slate axle]

Wow

Im genuinely surprised I missed that, ive been working off the explicitly outdated version

[zealous shale]

I wonder if Yharim projected onto Calamatis

Like he groomed her ofc

[jaunty wraith]

He enlisted her as a child soldier and forced her to commit genocide

[zealous shale]

But I’m wondering if to him he was thinking “wow girl who lost most everything to an elemental…she totally would like to get revenge and help me get revenge while I’m at it!”

Dumb wording it’s 1 am

[slate axle]

Im personally writing it as yharim using Calamitas' grief to manipulate her into fighting for him

[limpid saddle]

No it's a fair point he probably read her after he learned to stop actively fearing her power (due to Permafrost) as 'SHE'S JUST LIKE ME FR!!!'

He manipulated her but I don't think he thought he was manipulating her

[zealous shale]

Especially with her at first “enjoying” using violence as a means

[mighty zenith]

it was probably pretty easy to sway and comfort a scared, orphaned teenager

[jaunty wraith]

He was willing to do that... but the bees

That was too far

[mighty zenith]

girl had a lot of shit going on and probably latched onto the "affection" he showed her

[zealous shale]

A lot of it is him genuinely just thinking it’s right by his own moral code

Of course it is not right but that’s obvious

[slate axle]

Yknow, her family is killed, she tries to bring her brothers back it fails, she's immensely depressed, and yharim comes along and says, "hey, those guys that murdered your family weren't working alone." (Lie), "they were under the directions of the gods." (Lie), "and we are kindred spirits, I too have been wronged by the gods. Together we can avenge your family."

[limpid saddle]

For his legions (at least until the last 10 years or so) there wasn't a malicious bone in Yharim's body

Yharim's just, y'know

really evil

because he keeps killing civilians

[mighty zenith]

plus let's not forget azafure was probably full of crusade propaganda

[slate axle]

Of course this probably isnt how it actually went down, but I find it to be a very interesting take on the story

[jaunty wraith]

Yharims lore entries feel like its not just trying too justify his actions to the player, but justify his actions to himself

[mighty zenith]

yeah he's delulu

im convinced a lot of the information he hides are things are also things he deluded himself into assuming weren't his fault

so they're not worth bringing up

[zealous shale]

I can’t wait for the Yharim redemption arc where he gets spared and magically survives until Yharon gets rebirthed, and then he’s like “Yharon with your magical rebirth powers we are going to magically revive EVERYONE we killed” and it’s a happy ending

[jaunty wraith]

Its especially notable with the DoG entry where he blanes the devourer for his "desent"

[mighty zenith]

que dance party ending with gangnam style

[jaunty wraith]

Calamity mod if it was written by cartoon network

[woeful hatch]

God I wish a yharon (not yharim ) redemption was possible because he's so cool

But sadly he shared his soul with a dimwitted genocidal maniac

[zealous shale]

I subscribe to the idea of Yharon redemption arc

Except like

[jaunty wraith]

Nah yharon was the reason this whole thing began

[limpid saddle]

I think he was definetly involved in convincing Yharim to stop paying attention to his empire & crusade a little while longer, but he was just appealing to Yharim's inner hound that already wanted to kill more people

[zealous shale]

Wether he’s forgiven is another question because he was mr genocides #1

[woeful hatch]

Ok but he seems less involved and he's more understandable

Once again, not justifying him or wanting him to be redeemed, but he's a bit less bad than yharim presumably

[zealous shale]

A big reason I’d like Yharon to have some redemption is because with him being reborn it’s just funny to imagine him coming back still evil af every time lol (and I’m biased I like him)

[woeful hatch]

Yeah unironically that's a problem. Like what happens when he comes back after our character dies

[zealous shale]

Oh yeah Yharon also like

Has a son

[woeful hatch]

Not canon

[zealous shale]

Oh damn

[woeful hatch]

Patreon donor item

[zealous shale]

Can’t believe the pet lied to me

Canon in my heart

Test tube baby or something ❤️

[jaunty wraith]

That also means the mcnuggets aent canon

Meaning mcdonalds isnt canon

[woeful hatch]

Headcanon it so the fragments of yharon's soul also made a fragment of him alive

Boom

[mighty zenith]

walmart is canon though

[woeful hatch]

(head)Canon son

[mighty zenith]

yharim's brother worked at the walmart in azafure trust

[jaunty wraith]

This whole war would of never happened if pizza hut was a thing for people to enjoy

[zealous shale]

When is someone making a what if where it’s Akato all grown up meeting his now reborn father

“Well, this is awkward”

[zealous shale]

Was there ever any doubt?

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt calamitas just fire choke yharim while he was sleeping

[woeful hatch]

He cuddles with yharon so he's used to it and Yharon wouldn't let her

This is true lore

[wanton pendant]

Yharim picked up a technique in the war so he can't be choked.

[pulsar ocean]

ah yes, my anti choking technique i havent used since the draconic era

[wanton pendant]

Ok he's not that old let's be reasonable.

Yharon of course learned the anti-dying technique back then.

[pulsar ocean]

do we know which of the auric dragons jared is the descendant of

[dusk laurel]

no

[split mortar]

No

[split mortar]

Even if this were canon the son would just be a draconic offshoot
Which arent that special

[icy veldt]

Let's be real here: Yharon was probably roasting civilians for funsies during the crusade

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is a incredibly evil person but he isn't one lacking in nuance

Way too often people either a. Think yharim is a morally gray redeemable guy who just fell off and who had a good goal, but poor execution of said goal (wrong) or b. Think he's a one dimensional evil guy with nothing beyond Being Evil (wrong)

It is exactly as you say really

He has genuine regrets in there

But he's literally too delusional to realize how horrible of a person he is

For he believes of himself as a hero

He thinks the crusade itself was a good thing, he thinks he was freeing the world from the Gods, and he would do it anything to justify that

A better way to put it is that he's willing to die for the crusade

He's not suicidal, he dosen't want to die

but if it means you'll be a worthy sucessor, he's willing to let you kill him

[magic epoch]

Does He Know

[pliant ruin]

He's depressed as fuck, yeah. Mainly because all of his major allies left him, his army has disbanded, and he has lost faith in the idea of truly killing all gods. He's growing old, and there's doubt in his mind that with the little time left, he can still manage to hunt all of the remaining ones down

Which is why he chooses to try manipulating you into becoming his sucessor

[versed jay]

Why and how cal clone exist

[pliant ruin]

Draedon cloned Calamitas in a attempt to emulate her powers. But since Calamitas's powers aren't a biological thing the result was just a completely normal person

[split mortar]

Draedon wanted to replicate scals power and did so by replicating scal

Also hey cheese

The cheeser

Cheese

Cheese is feeling like not a word anymore cheese

[pliant ruin]

Some time lather Calamitas (the real one) frees Calclone, likely because she dosen't want the same thing that happened to her happening to this clone (Being controlled and used as a tool for someone else), but in doing so gives her a small fraction of her brimstone power, which slowly drives calclone insane

[pliant ruin]

hi melon

[split mortar]

Cheese cheese cheese cheese

[pliant ruin]

melon melon melon melon

[magic epoch]

so food

if only I was still eggg

[pliant ruin]

Worth of note that
a. Calclone is not an eyeball monster. The sprite is just outdated. Everything indicates she's biologically just a normal ass person.
b. Draedon cloned Calamitas after he had already been kicked out of Yharim's army

It wasn't something Yharim ordered him to do, as it'd likely go against his own morals. He just did it to fuck around and find out

[pulsar ocean]

i forgot why is cal clone even fighting us

[pliant ruin]

I'm sure it'll be developed further when calclone becomes a real boss

but uhhhh at the bare minimum

she crazy!!

[woeful hatch]

Well, she was driven crazy by the miniscule amount of brimstone magic she obtained when SCal freed her

Idk if there's a further motive

[polar flower]

Is there even a motive for most of the bosses

I feel like for a lot of them, we just summon the boss and they say "fuck it we ball"

[wheat walrus]

a lot of em js do

[magic epoch]

Most bosses are us just being randomly attacksd by them I think

most are like wild

[woeful hatch]

Well, essentially, yharim ordered him to "replicate the witch's power" before he discovered the plague

After draedon finished the plague, he came back to the project and decided to clone CalClone, which yharim was not aware of

[wheat walrus]

but that's bc a lot of em are monstrous things

[pliant ruin]

Summoning bosses generally isn't diagetic

You aren't actually doing it in the story most of the time

It's just because it's Easier For Gameplay to just be able to summon the bosses

Some bosses are getting more "lore accurate" methods to spawn them in the future

[wheat walrus]

do yall think yharim would've settled w draedon making calclone under the conditions that he's made aware of how draedon is gonna try and rival scal's power

[pliant ruin]

But just being able to summon them with items will be kept, again, for the sake of gameplay convenience

Per example, with DS's incoming rework

[polar flower]

I mean for some of them it makes sense

[fallen kindle]

why capitalize easier for gameplay?

[pliant ruin]

Because I Want To

[fallen kindle]

fair enough

[wheat walrus]

something in me tells me that in the moment, he'd be desperate enough to accept, rather than having the reaction he had when he discovered it as he did

[rocky apex]

It gives TV Tropes vibes

[woeful hatch]

First of all, most summon items aren't canon

Quite a few of them are wild creatures (DS, KS, EOC, crabulon, EOW, BOC, Hive Mind, Perforators, QS, AS), skeletron is because of the curse obviously, slime god is because he saw us rising in power and tried attacking us, mech bosses because they recognized our power and thought we were a god, etc

[pliant ruin]

You'll either summon it through an item which iirc will be like, fishing it out of hte sand?

Or you will summon it by going on its nest and breaking its eggs

[woeful hatch]

Hmm I don't think so

[wheat walrus]

fair

[pliant ruin]

I feel like cloning a real human being for the explicit purpose of using them in a experiment is something Yharim would be against

It feels slavery adjacent

[wheat walrus]

yea

[woeful hatch]

CalClone was a total failure by the metrics of yharim's order: replicate the powers of the witch

Because she had literally 0 powers before calamitas broke her out

[wheat walrus]

u might be right in yharim keeping that same reaction, bc of it being like slavery

[woeful hatch]

So not only it'd be a total failure, but also against what morals he has left

[polar flower]

Honestly I just kinda wish we could try and talk down Yharon

[pliant ruin]

I wouldn't really say

Hive Mind, Perforators and Queen Slime are wild creatures

Queen Slime is Slime God so like

[polar flower]

I'd prefer to not kill a dragon

[woeful hatch]

Well, they're acting on instinct alone

[pliant ruin]

and Hive Mind and Perforators... well

[polar flower]

fighting a dragon, sure that's fun

[wheat walrus]

True, what I was thinking was more "would yharim allow this if he was made aware"

[polar flower]

but killing it?

[pliant ruin]

I mean the Dragon is a genocidal fuck

Plus he's. immortal.

If you really care that much he literally Can't Die unless someone absorbs his auric soul

That's like his entire shtick

He's the dragon of rebirth

[polar flower]

hey man we let Draedon on the team I think we can keep Yharon

[pliant ruin]

We didn't really let Draedon on the team

He's just supporting us out of mutual interest

[rocky apex]

The Terrarian Works Alone

[pliant ruin]

and Draedon is a far more neutral figure than Yharon to be honest

[polar flower]

then why do I text him in the middle of the night and tell him I love him

[pliant ruin]

The terrarian works with whoever you want them to work

[wheat walrus]

Who says that

[pliant ruin]

Because the terrarian

[woeful hatch]

Well the fact is you can't really do that

If there's ONE thing yharon is good at, is being faithful and loyal. And he shared his damn soul with the guy. And the guy also helped him achieve revenge. You not only want to kill Yharim, but also bring no reason why he SHOULD stop trying to kill you

[polar flower]

guide:

[wheat walrus]

I love this img

[pliant ruin]

Yeah talking down Yharon is lowk impossible

[latent bolt]

draedon and calamitas are good enough that its ok for both to be around long after yharim kicks the bucket

[pliant ruin]

Unless your talking down would be boiled down to

"This was all a huge misunderstanding, i'm racist and i hate gods too, i want to work with you guys"

[woeful hatch]

Neutral in the sense of "picking a side" I agree

Neutral in the sense of evil I disagree

[wanton pendant]

If Yharon hasn't calmed down in ten years when he revives you can just kill him again!

[pliant ruin]

Draedon isn't really good enough he's just

More manageable

[latent bolt]

yes

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas is actually just a nonthreat though

She's not gonna go around harming others or doing evil shit

[wheat walrus]

hypothetical threat

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas can be talked down by offering to pay for therapy.

[polar flower]

well I mean yeah she's on the gang now

[wheat walrus]

potential threat even

if but never is

[polar flower]

Unless if the tax guy pissed her off

we good

[pliant ruin]

She only even fights you because of ptsd induced reaction to seeing you as Yharim 2 anyways

[rocky apex]

In my headcannon the Terrarian starts off with good intentions and then slowly grows power hungry and fights anyone and anything to become stronger for the heck of it. Eventually becomes a new tyrant around Moon Lord (the post-fight music gives me crowning on N vibes from Pokémon BW).

[wheat walrus]

tax collector may die

[pliant ruin]

Then you get her to calm down and she's like

my bad original gangster didn't know you were chill like that

[rocky apex]

Kaladin moment

[polar flower]

would be nice if she decided to lock in on helping me fight bosses

[wanton pendant]

The Terrarian... It's you!

[polar flower]

be very helpful to have a super npc on my side the whole game

but yknow just do the enchanting thing ig

that works too

[wanton pendant]

Why would she help some random guy, she's busy doing things like not freezing to death in a cave.

[polar flower]

I literally built her. A house

[wanton pendant]

With no fireplace I reckon.

[polar flower]

torches

[woeful hatch]

Listen, if we get her a home, and she makes us pay platinum coins worth of money to enchant our items

She IS paying taxes , trauma or not

[rocky apex]

Do Azafurans have adaptations to survive living in the underworld?

[wanton pendant]

That is not a suitable heating element.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Gray skin and horns at least.

[polar flower]

It's literally on fire!

[latent bolt]

calamitas wont get as much money to pay off her taxes as the goblin tho...

[woeful hatch]

Well Azafurians in the sense of race maybe, but there was also plenty of normal people there too

[rocky apex]

People underestimate how hot even a small open flame can be

[pliant ruin]

worth noting that Azafurian (Race) Azafurian (Nationality) aren't the same

[polar flower]

If she wants I can build her a home in the fuckin what-is-that-part-of-hell called

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas is both

The Tax Collector was only the latter

[rocky apex]

She really doesn’t like that

[pliant ruin]

Lived on Azafure, wasn't part of the Azafurian race

[woeful hatch]

(don't do that)

[wanton pendant]

People who just live their could use the Warmth Potion's evil cousin, Cold Potion.

[pliant ruin]

And i'm sure there'd be

[polar flower]

well first she needs more warmth next she needs less what's the deal man

[pliant ruin]

The other way around too

[wanton pendant]

Do not make her live in the Brimstone Crags, jerk.

[rocky apex]

Isn’t Warmth Potion also evil?

[pliant ruin]

Azafurians (race) that didn't live in Azafure

[polar flower]

The desert? That's warm

[wanton pendant]

When did I say it wasn't?

[woeful hatch]

But hypothetically speaking, to trauma-maxx calamitas, you could probably put her home above the brimstone crag, inside the dungeon

[pliant ruin]

some Azafurian guy living all the way in Illmeris 😭 Permanently using the gills potion

[polar flower]

wtf is king fish man's deal he's chill

[wanton pendant]

With a Yharim statue and a picture of the Sunken Sea.

[polar flower]

Is he just a big chiller or what

[pliant ruin]

He's the king of Illmeris

[wanton pendant]

His house burned down.

[rocky apex]

He uses QoL 30 stack gills potion

[pliant ruin]

Which is currently not real anymore because it got destroyed

[polar flower]

I'll have to get to that part on the master doc

[pliant ruin]

A city that used to be in the sunken sea

[polar flower]

I haven't gotten too far in it yet

[dusk laurel]

clams hate amidias

[wheat walrus]

favorite of the big 3 civilizations in cal

[woeful hatch]

And two gravestones in front

[woeful hatch]

Chrysadians had the best idea

[wanton pendant]

An Ice Block with a sign labeled 'dad'.

[latent bolt]

The giant clam is racist

specifically towards amidias

[wheat walrus]

ykw

I agree w u sauron

[woeful hatch]

Actually, speaking about them, how the fuck would a Chrysadian with fear of heights live

[wanton pendant]

Very carefully.

[dusk laurel]

every step counts

[wanton pendant]

The Core had REALLY big islands I believe.

Country sized.

[wheat walrus]

I assume they were less likely to fear heights

bc they got used to them across generations

[woeful hatch]

I mean, yeah but the fear of heights is innate to humankind over million of years

It's likely less people would be afraid of heights but still there's gotta be quite a few

[wheat walrus]

yea but humankind never lived in floating islands

It would be present, inevitably

But it'd be different because of different environment

[woeful hatch]

The first person to invent the lucky horseshoe must have made a lot of money

[wheat walrus]

Anyways for this

I find myself interested by all of em at degrees, but ranking based on what we know of them and their ideas, my fav is Chrysadia, Azafure behind and Ilmeris last

[wanton pendant]

You don't like Wet Dry World?

[wheat walrus]

Ilmeris is chill I js find myself more interested to hear abt others,,,

SSO might change this

[woeful hatch]

Ilmeris will probably be more interesting when we DO get SSO rework because it'll probably open a lot of new and interesting questions

But for now, what we see of Ilmeris in game is boring because the biome itself is boring

You visit it like twice

Maybe three or four times

That's it

[wanton pendant]

Let us visit Amidias' burned down house.

[woeful hatch]

You can't really make a house in it easily because it's underground and full of water

And no NPC is happier in the sunken sea

[wanton pendant]

Yeah 'cause it all got burned down.

It'd be miserable now.

[pliant ruin]

Illmeris

who would've guessed.

[wheat walrus]

Fish

[pliant ruin]

Fish

[wheat walrus]

also it's 1 l

[hoary cape]

Cheese got it wrong

Removing cheese's kneecsps

[split mortar]

Yay?

[ancient pier]

I wonder how powerful Moon Lord was in its prime

[split mortar]

Above noxus below xeroc

[ancient pier]

I really like to envision the Moon Lord as a member of a species, then

[split mortar]

the universe is fucked if so cause ml is fucking cracked at power

And there just being

More

[ancient pier]

I love the concept of just, an entire species of celestial beings with unfathomable power' It recontextualises the idea of 'godhood' to me, even if Gods are a very specific thing in Calamity lore

Kinda like Celestialsapiens in Ben 10 =3

[ancient pier]

Well, there'd still be other things to consider there' Like, even if they're a species, they might not belong to this reality, they might be pacifistic in nature, a lot of things' The Moon Lord is a threat because it was abnormal from the rest of its species' It behaved differently

[gritty kraken]

He look like vortex pillar guys but gigantic

[split mortar]

Going “they pacifist but this one” to explain why the universe isnt conquered feels lame to me

[zenith geode]

if there was more than 1 fovos i think the universe would genuinely be unlivable

[split mortar]

Vortex shares close colours to vortex but every pillar has people that look similar body plan wise iirc

[ancient pier]

I'm throwing out spitballs

/shrug

With Celestialsapiens in Ben 10, there's two key reasons they don't conquer the universe

• They don't care about conquering reality. It'd be like if a Human obsessed over conquering an anthill, it's pointless and even for the most power hungry among them, barely registers as something worth consideration.
• Each Celestialsapien has the power to bend reality, but their bodies are also host to multiple personalities, which must all agree before doing literally anything.

[crude musk]

I mean the universe is really big

[ancient pier]

If you go to their home dimension, you'll find that they're all just completely still, doing nothing at all -- they either can't reach an agreement or see no reason to do anything in the span of time the characters are in there'

[wheat walrus]

Yay!

[ancient pier]

For something as powerful as the Moon Lord, I could see its species simply -- not caring about conquering Terraria specifically. Maybe they've already conquered the universe, but this one specific planet is just such a tiny piece of it that most of them don't care

Maybe they just see no point in conquering land in general. After all, why would most bother with it if they're so obscenely powerful anyway?

[crude musk]

So then why did fovos attack terraria?

[split mortar]

We dont know atm

[ancient pier]

The Moonlord could be like, the equivalent of a child using a magnifying glass to scorch ants

[crude musk]

Interesting

[split mortar]

Its seemingly a coordinated thing since the pillars (basically a portable army) helped fight the dragons

[zenith geode]

he a bitch idk

[split mortar]

According to dev statements

[crude musk]

But what if he just created the pillars

[ancient pier]

The pillars, everything they produce, are all lesser beings compared to the Moon Lord. It could have made them itself, or it could have just snagged some aliens and thrown them in there to do its dirty work'

That doesn't necessarily reflect a greater effort from the species at large

[gritty kraken]

I’ve heard this one fanmade ml lore back in vanilla about how ml is just a weird vortex guy who then conquered all other pillars nations
Dun think it’s canon here ofc just wanna mention it

[woeful hatch]

It's because he's green?

Is that why the theory exists

[gritty kraken]

That’s probably it

[crude musk]

I feel like with moon lord's resemblance to cthulu it's easy to think of him as a cosmic being with an incomprehensible motive

After all we don't need to know why he attacked terraria

[gritty kraken]

Did it for Celestial onions farm

[ancient pier]

The way I view incomprehensible, eldritch beings is that -- you can get a basic gist of their intentions, because they are still acting on the same plane of reality as you. Even if you can't grasp the specifics, you can identify such a being is still acting with intent to make soemthing specific occur

[split mortar]

-# may i add we will know moonlords entire deal once they edit the vanilla bestiary entry

[ancient pier]

Like, I'd say the Moon Lord wants to conquer Terraria -- but for what purpose? That's when it gets hazy and difficult to really 'explain'

We can grasp what an eldritch creature wants by its actions, but we cant discern its specific intent

[manic coral]

not nessesarily

[ancient pier]

Woah a writer hiiii hellloooooo

What do you think of Moon Lord?

[manic coral]

hello

[crude musk]

Yeah exactly

[manic coral]

i do, in fact, be writing

[split mortar]

Not an uncommon sight

[manic coral]

i am msotly done with what work i need to do for sunken sea overhaul

[crude musk]

Is it coming before gta 8?

[ancient pier]

Is the Moon Lord tied to the Sunken Sea, then?

or is that a sidetopic?

[split mortar]

Embers

[manic coral]

after i finish what i am currently working on all i need left to work on relies ons stuff people that aren't need need to write first

[manic coral]

nah

just side topic

[ancient pier]

Fair, fair' Can we get any hints or spoilers? =3

[manic coral]

nopers

answers shall come with patience

[ancient pier]

Okaaayyyy

[split mortar]

What would the embers eternal flame taste like

[crude musk]

Is draedon susceptible to computer viruses?

[manic coral]

tehcncially yes, practically no

[ancient pier]

The only machine immune to a virus is something utterly and truly perfect

[split mortar]

Pancakes or waffles what does yharim prefer

[ancient pier]

Anything short of absolute perfection will always have vulnerabilities

[crude musk]

And if a machine containing his ai went to the astral infection would it become evil?

[split mortar]

Yeah but what human will find a way through draedons defences

[wanton pendant]

Batman.

[split mortar]

Aureus:

[crude musk]

No the full draedon ai

[wanton pendant]

Infected.

[manic coral]

that specific robot would be corroupted probably

[zenith geode]

hes got like a bajillion backup servers

[ancient pier]

The Terrarian tbh

[wanton pendant]

They mention it in the Codebreaker.

[split mortar]

Draedon follows code completely (do science) and so would get infected when astral is silly
But only the one specific robot

[ancient pier]

Like, The Terrarian has to be a genius inventor in of themselves

[wanton pendant]

Even if his AI is there the machine is vulnerable.

[ancient pier]

Maybe not quite on Draedon's level, but that's up to your interpretation =3

[crude musk]

Would he know all the passwords to his arsenal and take over the world?

The infected one

[ancient pier]

One thing consistent between all Terrarians is that, they're making a lot of the gear they use

[split mortar]

Not really

[ancient pier]

Unless you're specifically headcanoning that they're acquiring equipment some other way, it can be assumed your Terrarian has the knowhow to work with all these varied materials to create all sorts of things'

[split mortar]

Fishing runs

[wanton pendant]

Fishing only run:

[ancient pier]

I gueessss but you get what I meaaaannn

[wanton pendant]

Multiplayer friend handing you stuff:

[ancient pier]

[wanton pendant]

Cheating:

[ancient pier]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAAAAANNNNN

[crude musk]

What if he just puts the ingredients on a table and the god of crafting (not auric) gives him the item

The terrarian truly is you

[manic coral]

but yes after i finish the stuff i NEED to for SSO i'll move onto some other things i wanna do and see what i can get done before it comes out

[split mortar]

Yeah but i can just say no to it

[ancient pier]

Well, my headcanon is that my Terrarian is just super smart

[wanton pendant]

But the Terrarian is you, remember.

[split mortar]

Thats the case for your terrarian

[wanton pendant]

How would that work.

[ancient pier]

My point is that like, 'The Terrarian crafts it' is the default assumption here

You can headcanon it to be something else but you're then veering from the default assumption

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian is on cocaine while crafting theory:

[crude musk]

True

[zenith geode]

what if its the crafting stations that are doing the crafting

[ancient pier]

Though, I am wondering how far apart The Terrarian and Draedon are in terms of just, assuming the Terrarian can in fact, craft everything they craft in-game' I assume Draedon is still substantially more intelligent -- but by how much?

[dusk laurel]

holy crap is that cei calamity

[zenith geode]

no

[wanton pendant]

Smort.

[ancient pier]

You had to craft the crafting station. Checkmate, noird

[manic coral]

three things nnotably come to mind. most obvious project to move onto are the already half-done draedon long rewrite (NO ACTUAL INFORMATION IN THEM IS CHANGING I AM JUST NOT HAPPY WITH HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY WRITTEN AND ALSO WANT TO INCLUDE SOME MORE STUFF IN THEM), the forsaken archive books (which would be the msot effort of these), and then the funny third thing Stip made a structure for me for to use for a thing like a year ago that i need to finish writing

but then i got minor distracted

[ancient pier]

Does

-# Does this mean more Draedon content?

[manic coral]

correct

[wanton pendant]

Sī.

[manic coral]

and then that'll be it for a long time

[wheat walrus]

Dardon

[dusk laurel]

the evil calamitas dialogue rewrite

[ancient pier]

MORE DRAEDON HECK YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[manic coral]

becuase draedon after that will HAVE plenty for a long time

until we get to, like

[crude musk]

I love draedon

[manic coral]

working on the distortion

[ancient pier]

What's The Distortion?

[wanton pendant]

New Calamitas fight dialogue: Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh!

[wanton pendant]

DoG's house.

[ancient pier]

Every character just talks like a Deku MHA

[manic coral]

and then that'll probably have the last major stuff he gets

[crude musk]

Noxus realm

[ancient pier]

I see, I see

[manic coral]

at least about draedon, specifically from draedon himself

[ancient pier]

I just wanna be able to talk to Draedon more

[dusk laurel]

the distortion where the dog factory is

[wheat walrus]

Draedon and distortion

Well he did go there last I checked

[ancient pier]

Wonder if we'd be able to talk to Devourer of Gods more in The Distortion or if he's just

dead

[dusk laurel]

no

[ancient pier]

THE LOOORE THOUGH

[dusk laurel]

he will just say slurs at you

[crude musk]

The 1 million different worms that reside in the disrortion:

[manic coral]

why would the devourer ever take the time for questions he'd rather take that time to murder you

[ancient pier]

If I can catch the worms in a net, then I'm happy

[dusk laurel]

the distortion is not the worm realm!!!!!!!!

[crude musk]

There's already 2 why wouldn't there be more

[wanton pendant]

Noxus worm:

[crude musk]

Yharim worm

[gritty kraken]

5 billion little storm weaver swarming you the seconds you get inside distortion

[ancient pier]

Damn, dude gets beaten within a half-inch of his life and still isn't willing to answer a few questions 😭

[wanton pendant]

He would be racist instead.

And homophobic.

And transphobic.

[ancient pier]

Guess I'mma just pry him open and slurp him up like a crab

[wanton pendant]

And ageist.

[crude musk]

Dog is just phobic

[ancient pier]

[wanton pendant]

Ableist.

[crude musk]

Hates everything except the distortion ig

[manic coral]

i would deeply advise against that

[wanton pendant]

British.

[ancient pier]

He just hates everybody equally

[ancient pier]

I specced into Iron Stomach it's fiiine

[crude musk]

No.

[wanton pendant]

DoG is inedible?

[dusk laurel]

wwg

[wanton pendant]

Need to update my notes.

[ancient pier]

With that attitude he is

[dusk laurel]

i will blow you up

[wanton pendant]

:(

[manic coral]

everything is edible at least once

[ancient pier]

One of Humanity's DEFINING TRAITS is EATING THINGS THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO UNTIL THEY LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[manic coral]

honestly it'll feel weird moving on from SSO

[ancient pier]

Anyway yeah I like to pontificate upon what the heck the Moon Lord isss...not sure if I'd want that addressed at all or not'

[icy veldt]

Omw to eat Yharim after killing him

[pliant ruin]

Cei

[ancient pier]

SSO?

[wanton pendant]

Space Squid that hates you.

[manic coral]

it will be addressed to an extent

[pliant ruin]

@manic coral There was a horse

[icy veldt]

Wait I just thought of something that isn't edible: vacuum

[manic coral]

honse

[crude musk]

Incomprehensible being

[manic coral]

also hello cheese

[ancient pier]

Oke

[wanton pendant]

Wrong chap.

[pliant ruin]

Im at the bus stop there was a guy riding a horsw

[wanton pendant]

You're thinking of Cthulhu.

[pliant ruin]

Hi im waitinf for the bus to my course

[manic coral]

hoerese

[icy veldt]

Horus

[ancient pier]

Being eldritch and incomprehensible is cool but like, when it's just used as an excuse to not explain anything -- then that's just bad writing

[dusk laurel]

its not incomprehensible

[wanton pendant]

It's not Cthulhu!

[dusk laurel]

you clearly see it

[manic coral]

correcto

[pliant ruin]

"Incomprehensible" sorry i can comprehend it its a buff squid guy

[crude musk]

Idk ml imo never needs to be explained because the story is about dragons and gods and yhargle so leaving mistery is fine

[wanton pendant]

Can't be so incomprehensible after the lobotomy, tough guy.

[crude musk]

But if he is explained that would be cool

[manic coral]

no way is this a reference to hit game Lobotomy Cor-

[wanton pendant]

I HAVEN'T PLAYED THAT ONE!!!

[manic coral]

nah SOME sort of epxlaination is absolutely needed

cosndiering how much is affected and changed by it

[dusk laurel]

just because the story isnt focused on something else doesnt mean it shouldnt explain it

[ancient pier]

Do writers have a strong idea of what the Moon Lord might be currently or, is that more on the to-do list right now?

[crude musk]

I'm used to undertale writing where everything is left in the air

[manic coral]

maybe if it wasn't so utterly plot defining and set EVERYTHING into motion essentially it could go without any explaination

[manic coral]

i have most things planned out

[wanton pendant]

A squid, but like, really strong.

[ancient pier]

May I ask whether the Moon Lord is a unique being or a member of a species? Basically -- are there other Moon Lord-type entities in the cosmos?

[wanton pendant]

Hope not.

[ancient pier]

You underestimate the grandeur of the universe

[manic coral]

like, everything important for the plot is set in stone pretty much already

[dusk laurel]

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc's gonna have to get off the couch if so.

[pliant ruin]

A good mystery is one intentionally written to be one omitting enough info to not have a conclusive answer but enough to speculate
Ex: Leviathan's nature
Simply omitting information and leaving it at that isn't making a interesting mystery, it's just not wanting to explain something and getting an excuse

[ancient pier]

It'd be really funny if we could find Draedon holed up in some lab somewhere' Though, then I wonder if there even is a 'real Draedon'

[dusk laurel]

yeahp

[ancient pier]

nod nod nod

[manic coral]

exactly

it's about presenting JUST ENOUGH information to speculate

it's a balance

[wanton pendant]

He's an AI, he's in the servers.

[dusk laurel]

ai is taking over our lives

[pliant ruin]

Ay, welcome to the blockchain!

[ancient pier]

Rock up to his main base of operations and there's just a whole Mr. House situation going on

[wanton pendant]

I turned the Chaos Emerald into an NFT!

[ancient pier]

He's just a big face attached to a server room

[dusk laurel]

draedon is just a conscious internet

[wanton pendant]

Ultron but less evil.

[manic coral]

draedon is essentially just. an operating system.

[pliant ruin]

Draedons 10

[wanton pendant]

He is the youngest AI ever!

[ancient pier]

Makes sense

[manic coral]

also yeah another exmaple of the balance of information for speculation thing

draedon

which also works ebcause i DID write out a whole backstory and how he was made and stuff

.

[crude musk]

Well we know exactly what he is

[ancient pier]

I assume we won't ever get the opportunity to actually kill Draedon?

[manic coral]

and then tossed it all out the window becuase leaving it mysterious was more interesting

[wanton pendant]

Practically impossible.

[dusk laurel]

draedon's creator is up to @split mortar's inerpretation

[ancient pier]

I kinda like the idea of having to track down all his servers and gradually eliminate him -- but that'd be a whole thing in of itself, probably just not worth the effort to do'

Like, from a gamedev perspective

[manic coral]

i dont jsut rnadomly choose stuff to exlusde pre-emptively. i generally only choose NOT to include stuff in the middle of writing it

[crude musk]

He'd just build more

[wanton pendant]

And we only explore part of one continent.

[manic coral]

becuase while wriitng it

[pulsar ocean]

whats in the locked box from fnaf 4

[wanton pendant]

He's undoubtedly global.

[manic coral]

i realize it's more interesting for it to not be explained fully

[dusk laurel]

gl

wack a mole except theres a million of them and they can just create more

also they can shoot you

[ancient pier]

Gotta fight fire with fire...

[wanton pendant]

Wh-what does that mean!?

[manic coral]

again, see: draedon

[pulsar ocean]

just steal the miracle nuke schematics and nuke the planet

[manic coral]

who i may talk about what my original story there was some day after i'm sure people won't take what i ORIGINALLY wrote as the "default" option that is "more valid"

whioch

no

[ancient pier]

"Wack-a-Mole but they can shoot you" is such a silly fun goofy idea

[manic coral]

it isn't any more or less valid than any other interpertations that line up with what's there

[ancient pier]

So, leaving room for people to slot in their own headcanons -- is that something the writers keep in mind?

[wanton pendant]

Have you ever played Whack-A-Mole with the world on the line?

[pulsar ocean]

is that a jojo reference

[crude musk]

Will the lore change again retroactively like it did when the devs left?

[manic coral]

but i know it will be percieved as such because i am a writer, which is the only reason i don't talk about it

[wanton pendant]

No.

[manic coral]

people will take my awnser as the only one that matters

[pulsar ocean]

now it is

[crude musk]

Or will the only changes be minor

[wanton pendant]

Uelibloom:

[manic coral]

tbf uelibloom jsut

[crude musk]

Context?

[ancient pier]

I had a random question but just forgot it

[manic coral]

isnt talked about

[manic coral]

there are maybe two entire cases where it MIGHT

if it does ever happen, it will be kept to an ABSOLUTE minimum

[ancient pier]

I hear the Desert Scourge is like, not gonna be a worm anymore but I kinda hope not because I love worms so muuuch...

[dusk laurel]

i hate worms 😊

[wanton pendant]

Behold, lizard.

[pulsar ocean]

i love worms

[crude musk]

Ok cool because the old lore new lore stuff was really confusing

[ancient pier]

NOOOOO

[crude musk]

And still is sometimes

[ancient pier]

At the very least, I'm excited to see what the aquatic scourage would look like as a lizard

[crude musk]

Why is Yharim so mad at the lihzards

[pulsar ocean]

can we turn the yharim table slam into new lore and make it canon

[crude musk]

He is seething in the golem lore entry

[wanton pendant]

Racist.

[manic coral]

dont you mean desert scourge

[dusk laurel]

aquatic scourge will be a salamander

[ancient pier]

Aren't the two bosses related? I figure if one's becoming a lizard, they both are

[dusk laurel]

yes, but no theyre not the same species

[manic coral]

how would they be

[pulsar ocean]

they both have scourge in the name

doe

[dusk laurel]

its like comparing a blue whale to a dolphin

[manic coral]

they btoh live in entirely different envrionments

[ancient pier]

Damn, missed opportunity to make a cool aquatic lizard...

[wanton pendant]

Scourge of the Cosmos:

[ancient pier]

Though, I'll take what worms I can get

[manic coral]

they have a common ansestor but

[ancient pier]

NOOOOOOOO

[manic coral]

that's it

[ancient pier]

M-My worms....

[manic coral]

their envrionments they live in are entirely different

[pulsar ocean]

why cant you politely ask slime god how to do the ritual

[ancient pier]

[wanton pendant]

They're both descended from lizard monkeys of course!

[ancient pier]

Because Slime God doesn't have a mouth, duh

[crude musk]

How would he speak

[wanton pendant]

Slime.

[pulsar ocean]

slime

[crude musk]

Do we talk slime

[wanton pendant]

No.

[pulsar ocean]

make yharim translate slime in real time

[crude musk]

Yeah but what if my terrarian knows slime

[wanton pendant]

It is forbidden.

[crude musk]

The illusion of choice...

[ancient pier]

Well then the Slime God doesn't speak slime because he's a faker

smh

[pulsar ocean]

so he speaks english

[wanton pendant]

Racist.

[pulsar ocean]

so its even better

[crude musk]

No he speaks slime god

[ancient pier]

No because he doesn't have a mouth

[pulsar ocean]

carve a mouth out of slime

[ancient pier]

You need a mouth to speak English but he can't speak Slime either

[ancient pier]

I tried that but he just died oopsie

[manic coral]

if he didnt know what he's made out of he looks like he'd taste like jello

[ancient pier]

I figure the Slime God would taste of like

[wanton pendant]

Slime.

[crude musk]

Does purified gel taste good like pink gel

[pulsar ocean]

we came a full circle
boss taste discussions

[ancient pier]

Really, really, really condensed hard sweets' Just unbearably fruity and gross

[dusk laurel]

💔

[manic coral]

i mena he'd probably be better to eat than the paladins

which are LITERALLY made from gore

rotten gore

[ancient pier]

Which boss would you eat, if you had to eat one?

[wanton pendant]

Do not put Calamitas on the barbecue!

[manic coral]

desert scourge if you could carve pst the shell would probably taste amazing

givne that it's seafood

[ancient pier]

Personally, I'm eating Yharon

[crude musk]

Crabulon would probably be tasty like truffle

[dusk laurel]

boss taste discussion

[ancient pier]

Gamey as hell, but I can see it

[crude musk]

• crab

[pulsar ocean]

would old duke taste like aged meat

[ancient pier]

I feel like Old Duke is sentient?

[wanton pendant]

Sapient.

[manic coral]

you do realize that this is absiclaly no different from saying you'd eat yharim or draedon or calamitas right

[dusk laurel]

all animals are sentient

[wanton pendant]

And racist I hear.

[ancient pier]

[wanton pendant]

They're very different things!

[ancient pier]

I know but y'get what I meant

[manic coral]

ok and yharim is also sapient and racist old duke isnt special

[ancient pier]

How so? Because Yharon's sentient sapient?

[wanton pendant]

So we can eat Yharim?

[manic coral]

yeah

[ancient pier]

LET'S EAT YHARIM GUYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pulsar ocean]

would primordial wyrm taste good if you somehow got through the hard shell

[manic coral]

eat the rich i guess

yharim probably is in the 1%

[wanton pendant]

Also sapient.

[ancient pier]

Wait

[manic coral]

questionably sapient more like

[ancient pier]

Why am I eating Yharon when the Giant Clam exists

[pulsar ocean]

how does that stop me from eating seafood

[wanton pendant]

They lied to me...

[ancient pier]

[manic coral]

it's a weird case

[ancient pier]

Animal intelligence is so cool...

[pulsar ocean]

does he hate primordial light like instinctively or something

[manic coral]

like definitly smarter than an average animal but also rpobably not full on sapient

[ancient pier]

If I cooked a chunk of a Perforator worm long enough, could it be edible?

[manic coral]

probably like a dolphin or something

[wanton pendant]

So much for culture.

[ancient pier]

Like, without cooking it into charcoal

[wanton pendant]

Don't.

[manic coral]

i think you udnerestimate how smart some animals are

[ancient pier]

PERFORATORS 2, BAYBEEEE

I feel like eating Crabulon would also just make you Crabulon 2, though

[manic coral]

if you cooked hamburger that's been sitting around rotting for a hudnred years, would it suddenly become un-rotten if you cooked it?

[crude musk]

How did eol get access to primordial light? Just being a worshipper was enough?

[manic coral]

[dusk laurel]

theres no crab meat left in crabulon its just fungus

[wanton pendant]

Uhhhhh....

[dusk laurel]

and shell

[ancient pier]

My headcanon is that, the Terrarian needs breathing equipment to even be in the mushroom biome for extended periods -- especially while fighting the big crab

[gritty kraken]

Consider eating raw bloodstone

[wanton pendant]

Don't leak my ideas for Azafure.

[pulsar ocean]

how is delicious meat made

[manic coral]

pork

[ancient pier]

How can it be rotten if it's alive? Are the perforators zombies or like, do they have no way of staving off disease?

[wanton pendant]

Piggy canon.

[zenith geode]

necrosis is a thing

[wanton pendant]

They kinda are.

[pulsar ocean]

does permafrost just freeze bacon

to make delicious meat

[manic coral]

i mean. be technical deifnition, yes, they are zombies.

[zenith geode]

flesh can rot while still being attached to you

[manic coral]

also yeah either way

necrosis

[ancient pier]

It can but it's not alive anymore

Necrotic tissue is dying tissue

[wanton pendant]

Discount zombie gods.

Ravager is the REAL zombie god.

[ancient pier]

If anything, I kinda envisioned them being EXTRA juicy' Since, biomass monsters tend to be very raw and juicy looking

[crude musk]

Why does ravager get buffed after beating provi?

it's so random

[dusk laurel]

not real

[wanton pendant]

Gym arc.

[manic coral]

it'll just be post provi eventually

or well

same tier

[crude musk]

Oh interesting

[wanton pendant]

That is remains of something that once was human please reconsider.

[crude musk]

It's current position is wack

[dusk laurel]

have you ever heard of our god and savior called the ravager rework

[pulsar ocean]

is yharon singing roar of the jungle dragon in his head during the battle

[crude musk]

Well gods aren't humans

Nor do they deserve human rights

[dusk laurel]

some gods were human

[wanton pendant]

A lot of them were.

[dusk laurel]

okay yharim

[ancient pier]

I mean, it's like how animals piss in rivers, lakes, the ocean -- but we filter it out. There's so much amalgamated flesh in there that sure, some of it is Human, but such a little amount that it stops mattering

or how there's bug parts in the food we eat

[zenith geode]

i think its more the plants that filter the water

[ancient pier]

It's okay for companies to leave some bug parts in our food because it's such a little amount that it doesn't have any health risk

[manic coral]

ok anwyays im going back to steel soul silksong

[wanton pendant]

Looks at dead human pile: Yeah you could totally eat that.

[dusk laurel]

silking your song

[manic coral]

now that i am more awake

farewell people

[pulsar ocean]

i am stuck at the act 3 final boss

[ancient pier]

I mean, meat is meat at the end of the dayyyy...

[crude musk]

I mean I assume the evil biomes contain more god essence that your sandwich contains bug parts

[ancient pier]

Laois is such an icon

Eat anything that moves

[manic coral]

see i beat it 6 times in a row before i started this playthrough to make sure it wouldn't kick my ass

[pulsar ocean]

smart

[ancient pier]

I gueeessss

The Terrarian can eat Monster Lasagna anyway though

[crude musk]

Yeah but animal meat isn't as bad as god meat presumably

[young socket]

ngl thats the least of my worries when i do my pt cuz i learned u can just ||architect tool spam on her and kill her in like 50 seconds ||

[ancient pier]

The Monster Lasagna is made from the monsters in the corruption biomes

It's exclusively crafted with Vertebrae or Rotten Meat'

[crude musk]

What if they're just evolved animals

[ancient pier]

Eh, maybe but like, these corrupt biomes are a recent phenomena

at best, they're mutated animals that have been corrupted by the biomes -- so, are likely imbued with it

[crude musk]

Yeah ig

Perforators probably contain too much godly essence to be edible tho

[ancient pier]

I am wondering, if they're corrupted animals (which may actually be likely based on the enemy types) -- then what are Herplings and Crimera/Eater of Souls based on?

[pliant ruin]

Slug

For herplings i mean

[ancient pier]

That seems too extreme compared to the others

Slugs and Herplings are only similar in that they both have a foot-like body structure

[pliant ruin]

I think Crimera and Eatera of Souls are just mishmashes of bone/flesh if various organisms
It explains why Crimera. Yknow. Chimera
Aswell as them being the most common enemies in said biomes

Headcanon
Face Monsters are the crimsonified corpses of God of War's soldiers

[ancient pier]

My thoughts were on Face Monsters being derived from zombies’

[pliant ruin]

I mean they wouldn't be much different from Zombies in that sense

[ancient pier]

After all, I bet a lot of zombies come through — it’s a biome made entirely of bare, pulsing flesh

[pliant ruin]

Plus i think the main crimson guy having some representation in the local enemy roster is incheresting..

[ancient pier]

Main crimson guy?

[pliant ruin]

God of War

Perforators is a amalgamate of several remnants of gods, much like Hive Mind. The most powerful and most in "control" of the deities making Perforators is the god of war

When it gets its fated redesign and tier shift itll probably be much more cleat

[ancient pier]

So, that’d make the Perforators the first God you fight?

[wanton pendant]

Or Dogma.

[pliant ruin]

Currently kinf of

But futurely no

Hive mind and Perfs both getting moved to early post ml

Alongside their redesigns and reworks

[ancient pier]

Feels like every boss is getting moved to post-Moon Lord 😭

[wanton pendant]

Dragonfolly may get moved to pre-hardmode.

[zenith geode]

dragonfolly is being put to post evil 1

[wanton pendant]

Same with Calamitas Clone.

[pliant ruin]

God of Dogma is the guy who wanted Yharim to be god-king

Fighting hive mind

[ancient pier]

What's the planned Boss Order?

[pliant ruin]

Whos the remnants of god of dogma

In pre hardmode

[wanton pendant]

Mostly the same but with those prior mentioned swaps.

[ancient pier]

Hmm I see I see

[pliant ruin]

Is probably the most anticlimatic thing ever 😭

[pulsar ocean]

would yharim still be yharring it even if they didnt burn him alive

[ancient pier]

Y'think both corruptions exist all over the Terraria continent?

[zenith geode]

yeah just evil 2 and dragonfolly swap and calclone and slime god swap (less concrete)

[wanton pendant]

Maybe in pockets as a propaganda tool.

[wanton pendant]

And the planet is Terraria, not the continent.

[ancient pier]

Ahh, my bad

I got mixed up =3

[wanton pendant]

I feel he'd find a reason to war.

[dusk laurel]

the distortion trio's gonna be spread out too

[pliant ruin]

Hive mind - God of Dogma, redesign themed around illusions, abstract surrealism and psychologial horror
Perforators - God of war, redesign themed around violence, combat, gore and body horror

[ancient pier]

I like it when the Crimson is underground and the Corruption is on the surface' Makes the Crimson feel like a proper tumour in the world, makes the Corruption feel more like it's festering -- a blight

[ancient pier]

Elaborate

[dusk laurel]

cv pre prov
sw post prov
signus pre dog

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is a terrible person.

[dusk laurel]

the corruption/crimson we find ingame is only there for yharim to use to convince the masses that all gods are evil

because look at the area where they died and how it infests the land

this is why the hallow is completely sealed inside of the wall of flesh

yharim is trying to hide how theres nuance to the gods

[pliant ruin]

The boss tier changes we know of are
Evil2 swap with Dragonfolly (Basically guaranteed)
Slime god swap with Calclone (In debate)
Deus to immediately post ml (in debate)
Ceaseless to immediately post ml (in debate)
Signus to pre-DoG/Old duke tier (Basically guaranteed
Ravager to post-provi (Basically guaranteed)

[ancient pier]

Ahhh, I see I see!

Interesting how he can seal away an entire biome like thatIsn’t the Hallow also evil, though?

[wanton pendant]

It's made of the corpses of nicer gods.

So not evil, but mad as hell.

[ancient pier]

I see’ and that’s why it’s hostile to the player?

[wanton pendant]

If you got brutally murdered and became a smoothie, you'd be a bit upset too.

[ancient pier]

Makes sense then, why NPCs can live in the Hallow but not the other corrupted biomes

[wanton pendant]

Dogma and War's evil murder land is not quite an ideal place to live I think.

[ancient pier]

You’d think evil pixie land isn’t either, but that makes more sense

What of Yharim just killed all these Gods because the corruption makes the trees different and give us cool new wood?

[dusk laurel]

uhhh

the wood is kinda lame

[wanton pendant]

That would put Yharim from well intentioned extremist at best to straight up lunatic at best.

[dusk laurel]

okay the trees are lame in general theyre not interesting at all

[ancient pier]

I LOVE TREES AAAAAHHH

[wanton pendant]

Why doesn't Lunatic Cultist not be a lunatic, is he stupid?

[ancient pier]

I LOVE BUILDING WITH NEW AND INTERESTING WOOD TYPES

They should let us destroy the world in various ways so we can create new wood variations

[dusk laurel]

if only relogic didnt make the grass and trees not basically just recolors

[wanton pendant]

They didn't have a budget in 2011, duh.

[icy veldt]

He's already a straight-up lunatic at best

[dusk laurel]

okay i get that for the corruption since it came with the release

but the crimson came afterwards

[ancient pier]

Broke: “The gods are evil waaaahhh!!!”
Woke: “We need more wood variation.”

[wanton pendant]

Consistency.

[ancient pier]

[pliant ruin]

Hey dont diss shadewood

It looks nice

Not cool vanillin

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

What
Do i control free will now
Wha

[wanton pendant]

The Terrarian is up to you, after all.

[ancient pier]

The Terrarian can invent Draedon,,,,,

[wanton pendant]

The unenlightened masses cannot make the judgement call.

[ancient pier]

GIVE UP FREE WILL FOREVER, THEIR VOICES WON’T BE HEARD AT AAALLL

[split mortar]

Add Mark (E) to official calamity lore

[dusk laurel]

the one who creates free will gets to decide

[light linden]

Display obedience

[split mortar]

Thats not free will then…

[dusk laurel]

no no

YOU get to decide for yourself who you think draedon's creator is

[twin stone]

Clearly John Terraria obvs

[wanton pendant]

Dude don't leak Xeroc's original name.

[hoary cape]

I am Xeroc's original name

[fallen kindle]

khamûl is xerox

[hoary cape]

Yes I am xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Lore innacurate, Yharim would stand outside Xeroc's house screaming 'Fight me' for days on end.

[split mortar]

Papyrus to undyne

[random mulch]

xeroc simply stared back at him the entire time

as if he has much better to do

[pulsar ocean]

would radiance from hk in real life be like 3 inches tall and max cast some sparks a human can see

[split mortar]

No cause rain
The bugs dont fucking die to that and bugs detently bigger then droplets
So radiance prob bigger then a person????

[wanton pendant]

People often ask which character has the best lore. Is it Calamitas, Yharim, Draedon, Xeroc perhaps?
No, it's Skeletron.

[pulsar ocean]

why is the dragon cult summoning a cosmic squid back from the moon

[wanton pendant]

They're not.

You're thinking of vanilla.

[pulsar ocean]

Then what the fuck is the ml emblem thingy

[wanton pendant]

Seal.

They say arf arf I think.

[split mortar]

Probably the seal they upkeep to keep ml away

[pulsar ocean]

Why did it appear after golem

[wanton pendant]

Rent prices went up, Golem was the one benevolent landlord to have ever lived.

With him gone, they got bought out.

[split mortar]

Uhhh
We dunno afaik

[fallen kindle]

discussing lore since

[wanton pendant]

What?

[pulsar ocean]

which JoJo's stand would be the best to have in an average life
Excluding heaven's door

[wanton pendant]

Crazy Diamond or Shining Diamond, whichever you prefer.

[pulsar ocean]

The first option

[pulsar ocean]

Ok but why not hey ya couldn't you win the lottery

Multiple times

[wanton pendant]

I only watched the anime so I don't know later ones.

[pulsar ocean]

Didn't even read part 7...

[wanton pendant]

I will say it was one of the best adaptions of Holes I'd ever seen.

[light linden]

[wanton pendant]

Lore.

[split mortar]

Lore

[long bloom]

Lor

[light linden]

Lo

[strong compass]

L

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, it's lore time.

[pearl halo]

Did somebody said lore

[wanton pendant]

Yes, I did.

[river cedar]

you have got to stop using the l word

we don’t say that word here

[wanton pendant]

I'm going to invert your bones.

[river cedar]

😔

[latent bolt]

dont use the l word here
Use gore instead

monkey's paw

[wanton pendant]

That is... not what monkey's paw means.

[latent bolt]

Who is this individual

[wanton pendant]

Which individual.

[latent bolt]

You

[latent bolt]

Yes, you

[wanton pendant]

WaterWraithGaming.

[icy veldt]

The Terrarian?!

[wanton pendant]

Ok first of all that was not in the old lore no idea where you got the infinite ressurection hell thing.

[inner ocean]

i recall people mentioning lore for why the "player respawns"

something about yharim being the one reviving you

all the way back then, along with supreme calamitas making meta comments

[wanton pendant]

Ok, so, current version for respawning: You can't respawn.

Not diegetic.

[latent bolt]

There is no mention in the new lore about respawns
i dont even think there was in old lore too

[wanton pendant]

Canonically it's a hardcore run.

Also, Yharim, as stupidly broken as he was, didn't do that kinda thing.

[latent bolt]

*Revengeance hardcore

[inner ocean]

like her mentioning why you keep coming back (similar to sans?), i guess that changed

[wanton pendant]

It was, and still is, more Yharon's alley.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah the meta comments are long gone.

Yeah I think she made Sans references at one point.

Anyway, what better way to start than with war crimes? I got a whole chart of them.

[inner ocean]

i think at one point she said'you're going to have a bad time'

the literal sans quote

[wanton pendant]

Been too long since I posted this.

[inner ocean]

or something similar when she was still an eye

[versed jay]

Is plaguebringer Goliath are just queen bee but being experimented on with the plague?

[wanton pendant]

So these guys are, in order, Yharim, Yharon, Draedon, Permafrost, Calamitas and Devourer of Gods.

[wanton pendant]

Yes exactly.

[inner ocean]

i recognise that yharon design

or well, it looks similar

to the one in that yharon phase 2 music theme by dm dokuro

[versed jay]

Pretty much the fan art for yharon revamp actually

[wanton pendant]

It's the concept art, not fanart.

[inner ocean]

let me see.. i think i vaguely remember the plot with yharim's origin back then?

something thrown into hell with his family

for the crimes of his older brother

[latent bolt]

I have an awful take: draedon and calamitas were the least terrible people here

[wanton pendant]

Yeah so that parts the same except the family is all gone.

[versed jay]

Wait, so draedon is the one who makes sulphuric sea?

[wanton pendant]

No, he irradiated it.

[latent bolt]

If you are to justify permafrost as being less awful than draedon, mind you the fact that he did nothing quantifiable about yharim's more extreme methods during his entire crusade

[inner ocean]

was that whole thing with xeroc built up on

or ignored?

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is the first god.

And the God of Primordial Light.

They control the sun.

[versed jay]

That's what I was saying

[wanton pendant]

Also, Permafrost did not build a machine built to kill civilians specifically.

[wanton pendant]

It was sulphuric for other reasons.

[versed jay]

Talking about permafrost, how did he get stuck inside cryogen?

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas.

[versed jay]

Oh

[pearl halo]

that permafrost fanart kills me

[wanton pendant]

IT'S NOT FANART IT'S CONCEPT ART!

[versed jay]

Chill ;-;

[pearl halo]

art

still killing me

those glasses are so cursed to me

[latent bolt]

shall i die on the hill that permafrost was worse than draedon just because it would be funny

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost adopted an orphaned homeless kid and was outraged when she was turned into a child soldier. Draedon cloned her without consent because he wanted a better oven.

[versed jay]

And who is the kid?

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas.

[versed jay]

Now that makes sense why there is cal clone

[latent bolt]

Do we even know how permafrost governed the territories that Yharim controlled

[wanton pendant]

He was an advisor of sorts.

And Yharim did not directly control or manage his holdings.

Think Holy Roman Empire structure, extreme decentralization.

Which meant that when Yharim left the ensuing vacuum basically made everything collapse overnight.

[versed jay]

If draedon doesn't have souls, then he's an ai?

[wanton pendant]

Yes, clearly.

He's literally a robot.