lore-discussion

[odd magnet]

Does this mean he killed the quagmires?

[pliant ruin]

the quagmires ?

[dusk laurel]

?

[icy veldt]

Glenn Quagmire?

[odd magnet]

Cragmaw mire

[pliant ruin]

like the family guy

[dusk laurel]

uh

[odd magnet]

I call them quagmires

[pliant ruin]

those are just like big clams

big clam things

idk what they are

weird fucking bivalve

[dusk laurel]

hes not gonna eat them so i imagine not

[icy veldt]

Could be worse. At least you don't call Patrick "Subaru"

[pliant ruin]

idk what he'd have to do with them

maybe if he wanted to eat them i guess

[dusk laurel]

they are amoebas

apparently

[pliant ruin]

delectable meal

[odd magnet]

Idk I just wanted to bring up that I call cragmaw mire quagmires

It’s funny

[split mortar]

Can yharim bite through cosmilite

[dusk laurel]

bandit telling me i have to go on a quest to kill old duke

[pliant ruin]

but yeah tl;dr old duke is a old racist fuck with a inferiority complex who enslaves dragons and kills those who are a threat to him and shit

very blatantly evil mfer

it'll be fun seeing

yharim's whispers regarding that guy

given yeah

even if this isn't an auric dragon

this is still a Dragon that is just. undeniably evil

not to mention that it's as close as it can get to an auric dragon while not being one

[split mortar]

And sapient enough to know that

[pliant ruin]

again old duke is Old As Hell

[odd magnet]

Delectable meal

[pliant ruin]

If he had just been born a little earlier he would've probably gotten an auric soul

[odd magnet]

We’re all feasting on the devourer guys

[wanton pendant]

Does his strength extend to his teeth?

[cloud ibex]

"well you know he did fall off a bit towards the end but if you think about it him surviving for this long is a testament to how #epic the dragons were"

[dusk laurel]

real and true yharim quote

[wanton pendant]

Wonder how Yharim would react to dragon slavers.

[split mortar]

Kill

[pliant ruin]

also yearh like

old duke . is a slaver.

the thing yharim hates most

[odd magnet]

I summoned three old dukes call that the unc, the unc and the unc

[split mortar]

What

[pliant ruin]

yharim sees a dragon but turns out the dragon is Enslaving Other Dragons

Well

[odd magnet]

Idk i just found this in my gallery

[pliant ruin]

given old duke was an outcast

[cloud ibex]

it would be really fucking funny if he said something about how there were a few bad exceptions and judging all the dragons based on those would be a disservice to the dragons who were actually good

[pliant ruin]

maybe yharill will comment on how he was rightfully deserted by the auric dragons, showing how they recognized the potential of evil in him and stuff

that would be

hilarious

[pliant ruin]

meant to respnd

[wanton pendant]

Yharim when someone brings up the Dragon of Flame torching a poor village in 763.

[odd magnet]

Oh yeah what are the time periods

When is the present set?

[wanton pendant]

1887 about.

[split mortar]

wwg is a john timeline

[pliant ruin]

Pre-History (We don't know anything) - >
Draconic Age (Dragons ruled over the surface) ->
Gray Period (Gods start ascending but Dragons still exist at wide) ->
Deific Era (Dragons are fucking Dead, Gods are a prevalent force all throughout the world) ->
Crusade (Yharim Kills Alot of Gods, of course a good few remain but probably like 90% of them are Dead) ->
Now

oops

[split mortar]

Also crusade time

[pliant ruin]

There we go

[wanton pendant]

I like to call the crusade onwards the Age of Mortals, because it sounds cool.

[split mortar]

The bit past the crusade is the calamity era

[pliant ruin]

WHAT IS THIS

SOME SORT OF

age of calamity

get it like

zelda breath of the wild and stuff .

[wanton pendant]

Oh, like Dynasty Warriors.

[odd magnet]

Which calamity character would fw tyler the creator?

[split mortar]

Idk who that is

[pliant ruin]

a rapper

i also don't know much else beyond that

[split mortar]

Uhh
Sans and papyrus solo

[dusk laurel]

all i know is that permafrost can drop some bars

[pliant ruin]

i do stand by my headcanon that permafrost could drop some nasty bars so i think permafrost would

vanillin is a truther

🤝

[split mortar]

True

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas probably had a racist phase.

[pliant ruin]

oh she absolutely had

thats not even a probably she just Did

[split mortar]

Yeah thats called when she was in the crusade

[pliant ruin]

she was literally in racism central yeah

she said slurs

she definitely said slurs

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost's racist phase was a bit long.

[pliant ruin]

calamitas is literally that one kid who was extremely edgy and annoying when they were 14 then they grew up and were like

[cloud ibex]

she was a teenager who served in a war of course she did

[pliant ruin]

damn i fucking sucked

[odd magnet]

Alright telling that to my friend

[pliant ruin]

where are my permabars again

found them

My name is Permafrost and better than me you are not,
I will diss out bars that are freezing cold yet flaming hot,
They do not call me the archrapper for naught

[wanton pendant]

I see why he got into ice magic. He can't cook.

[pliant ruin]

You don't see the vision

He's got that whimsical wizard swag

[odd magnet]

This is very beautiful thank you very much

[wanton pendant]

There's nothing whimsical about racism.

[pliant ruin]

that's what a racist would say

[wanton pendant]

NO IT ISN'T!!!

[pliant ruin]

that's also what a racist would say

[wanton pendant]

If I was a racist, wouldn't I admit it?

[pliant ruin]

that's ALSO what a racist would say

[wanton pendant]

What kind of mind games are racists playing with you!?

[ivory vigil]

Are gods really their own race or just ascended forms of their OG race. To be truly racist i need to know the correct clasification

[real silo]

they're ascended forms of their own race yea

[wanton pendant]

Considering we have a professional racist, please confirm my statements are unlike a true racists.

[wheat walrus]

RacistWraithGaming

[wanton pendant]

WHAT!?

[wheat walrus]

pah

[wanton pendant]

Miku Hatsune!?

[wanton pendant]

Miku Hatsune but charcoal!?

[wheat walrus]

Anyways

[wanton pendant]

Goku!

[wheat walrus]

Porca puttana

I don't even know what lore question to ask dawgg

js get on topic or smth

[split mortar]

How do wulfrum energy cores make energy

[wheat walrus]

by uhh

[wanton pendant]

I think they're solar powered?

[limpid saddle]

kasane teto

[split mortar]

Wheres the panels

[ivory vigil]

Uber racist

[wheat walrus]

[ivory vigil]

You make me feel inadequate with my racism when I am in your presence

[wanton pendant]

WHAT THE HELL!?

[wheat walrus]

Your racisms are weak

My indiscriminate love shall triumph

[ivory vigil]

Racism is stronger than live

[wheat walrus]

Sure twin

[pulsar ocean]

notice how chud gods had to commit animal cruelty to gain power while chad moon lord was just cracked

[wanton pendant]

Common misconception, Moon Lord actually gets power from kicking puppies.

[odd magnet]

I’m no longer in denmark

Back to the normal pfp

[wanton pendant]

Cringe.

[stoic gulch]

As a Swedish person hope you didn’t go to Sweden after

[odd magnet]

I did go to sweden

Yesterday

[wanton pendant]

Quick, post the Kalmar Union!

[odd magnet]

I just didn’t change my pfp about it

[icy veldt]

Friendly reminder of that dream I had where Yharim was Swedish

I've talked about it before: #lore-discussion message

[stoic gulch]

Ja du Yharon min bror vad sägs som vi dödar några gudar vad sägs?

[distant smelt]

This was the first thing i saw when i opened this channel

[wanton pendant]

I'M NOT RACIST!

[pulsar ocean]

is that why he became so much weaker after losing legs

[livid sierra]

is this just a text they put or does this have smth to do with the lore? like is silva a god or so?

[light linden]

the latter

[odd magnet]

goddess of life

[light linden]

you want the long or short explanation?

[odd magnet]

yharim killed her

[livid sierra]

uh lets do short for now

[livid sierra]

ohhh

[odd magnet]

basically its the dialogue for generating the abyss

[light linden]

yharim tried killing a goddess that couldn't be killed, so he dumped her remains into the abyss

[livid sierra]

so yharim is just kratos

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim couldn't truly kill her so he just dumped her into the abyss

[livid sierra]

ohh so does that connect with the eidolon worm? i think its called that atleast

[light linden]

slightly

ig the long explanation it is

[wanton pendant]

Yes exactly.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[light linden]

silva was the elemental of nature which made her immortal as long as plant life existed, she got the auric soul of life and became the goddess of life, yharim tried to kill her but because of her immortal nature she couldn't be permanently killed, her remains were dumped into the abyss where she proceeded to increase biodiversity and strengthen some animals already present, and she's presumably conscious with at least one known worshipper

[wanton pendant]

She blessed said Wyrm.

[wanton pendant]

Not plant life, life.

[light linden]

she also blessed one specific eidolon wyrm which turned it into the primordial wyrm

[wanton pendant]

Said Wyrm was always powerful.

[livid sierra]

thats so cool i never knew calamity had such a deep lore is their like a site or so i can read it all on or does it come from the little texts you get in game?

[wanton pendant]

Check pins for lore document.

[light linden]

there's a lore doc

but uh

[wanton pendant]

It doesn't have everything.

[light linden]

long story short

a bunch of the story isn't in the mod yet

[wanton pendant]

The lore items are from the antagonist.

[light linden]

the next update should rectify some of it

also yeah

[livid sierra]

ahh which makes sense

[light linden]

the lore items are from the mod's major antagonist

yharim

who is uh

[pulsar ocean]

wyrm like wyrms from hollow knight

[light linden]

oh god how do I put this

[wanton pendant]

Auric Hitler.

[livid sierra]

i mean rn he just sounds like kratos but terraria version

[livid sierra]

lmao

[wanton pendant]

Kratos became a god, Yharim never did.

[pulsar ocean]

hes like mega hitler he killed half of the population and commisioned skeletron prime from draedon which sole purpose was to burn villages

[light linden]

that isn't a joke

yharim did so many war crimes

[livid sierra]

oh so he actually is a god version of that german artist

[wanton pendant]

Read it and weep.

[pulsar ocean]

not a god

[wanton pendant]

HE'S NOT A GOD!

[livid sierra]

im guessing thats what ares became?

[livid sierra]

ohh

[pulsar ocean]

ares and the other exo mechs are entirely different machines

[wanton pendant]

No, Ares is a different thing.

[pulsar ocean]

not used for war crimes

[light linden]

no

ok best way to put this

[livid sierra]

oh poor yharom trusts godamn auric hitler with his life

[pulsar ocean]

yharon was the catalyst

[wanton pendant]

They're BFFs.

[light linden]

gods are created from the souls of auric dragons

[wanton pendant]

And both are super racist.

[light linden]

auric dragons are like primordial gods

[livid sierra]

and auric dragons is yharons race? or a whole dif dragon

[pulsar ocean]

yharon made yharim super racist and super biased

[livid sierra]

oh gah dayum

[wanton pendant]

They're his category.

[light linden]

being close enough friends with an auric dragon makes you stronger

[light linden]

ehh

that's a bit murky

auric dragons were more like

[wanton pendant]

There used to be ~ 3k at most.

[light linden]

a general class

[livid sierra]

i see

[wanton pendant]

Now there's Yharon.

[light linden]

presumably most auric dragons looked different from each other

e.g.

[pulsar ocean]

different species of dragon but all have auric souls

[livid sierra]

and thats why when we kill him auric ore releases on the world?

[wanton pendant]

Kinda.

[long bloom]

we dunno how exactly the ore appears

[pulsar ocean]

the lore explanation is that it always was there and the terrarian is blind

[livid sierra]

gah dayum this lore gets more confusing each second yet it seems so cool

[light linden]

The dragon of frost looked like a pigron, the dragon of storms like a wyvern, and I believe it's unknown what auric dragon the eidolon wyrms are related to

[wanton pendant]

Did you read the war crime chart?

[livid sierra]

oo

[light linden]

also

[livid sierra]

up to yharon ill read the rest while thunder is typing :]

[wanton pendant]

Alright, back in two minutes, to clear up whatever nonesense happens.

[pulsar ocean]

so basically to become a god you have to kill an auric dragon and do a specific ritual
which is the reason we cant become god we dont know the ritual

[livid sierra]

who is the guy next to draedon? the cryo cube guy?

[long bloom]

and we killed anyone who could tell us

[pulsar ocean]

xeroc

[livid sierra]

ahha

[pulsar ocean]

still here

[long bloom]

yeah permafrost

[livid sierra]

hes the sun guy that talks to you when u use the terminus right?

[light linden]

dragonfollies, eidolon wyrms, basilisks, wyverns, and pigrons are draconic offshoots

[pulsar ocean]

yes

[long bloom]

and the first god

[light linden]

which are basically dragons who aren't auric

[long bloom]

as told by ml lore item

[livid sierra]

ohh so thats why they all resemble some form of dragon wyrm wyvern etc

[light linden]

also

old duke is supposedly one of the first draconic offshoots ever

[pulsar ocean]

cuz he's old

[livid sierra]

oooo which would make sense

[light linden]

oh also

[livid sierra]

so does that mean duke fishron is a draconic offshoot to? since hes like the son of old duke "I think"

[light linden]

yharon was the 2nd strongest of the dragons

[light linden]

yes to the former

[livid sierra]

gah dayum do we know who is the strongest?

[light linden]

unsure on the latter

[light linden]

zeratros

[livid sierra]

thats a fire name

[light linden]

the dragon who's soul created xeroc

[pulsar ocean]

thaaats why all of the dragons were slain like fodder during the draconic era

[light linden]

both shared the domain of primordial light

[livid sierra]

so this guy?

[light linden]

which is basically hard light

[livid sierra]

is like the BIG dragon guy

[light linden]

unofficial design but yes

[long bloom]

here is all of the gods and the dragons whose souls they ate that we know of rn @livid sierra

[livid sierra]

ty ty

[long bloom]

damn that's sick

never seen it before

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt the dragon of life just alive zeratros back to aliving health

[livid sierra]

oh so each god has there "pet" or atleast a majority of all

[light linden]

not really a pet

[long bloom]

those are the dragons they killed

[light linden]

they killed them and absorbed their soul

[livid sierra]

OH

[pulsar ocean]

no the dragons are dead

slain in cold blood

[wanton pendant]

Alright, what did I miss?

[livid sierra]

i thought they were like a duo sorta thing

[light linden]

and key thing

[split mortar]

What we loring rn

[light linden]

yharon is immortal

[pulsar ocean]

all gods love animal cruelty

[livid sierra]

this one loooks super cool to

[light linden]

he's the dragon of rebirth

what

[wanton pendant]

I left to microwave pasta, what's happening?

That's also fan art.

[livid sierra]

so he can come backl

[long bloom]

no you have to kill the dragon and eat its soul to become a god

[split mortar]

Rebitch

[light linden]

why did I type that

[split mortar]

Idk

[livid sierra]

yeah i just looked it up to get a sorta idea

[wanton pendant]

We have no idea what Zeratros looked like.

[light linden]

which means everytime he dies he can come back

[pulsar ocean]

zeratros looked like primordial wyrm

[light linden]

he can also bring other auric dragons back from the dead

[long bloom]

true

[livid sierra]

do we know if you can stack dragon powers?

[wanton pendant]

Bad idea.

[livid sierra]

like if yharon can come back

[light linden]

possibly?

[livid sierra]

couldnt yharim just farm him to put it bluntly

[split mortar]

Takes a decade per rebirth so
Slow

[wanton pendant]

Why would Yharim kill his bestie?

[split mortar]

And that

[light linden]

also

[livid sierra]

true but i mean if somone wants power who knows what length they would go to

[long bloom]

yharim doesn't want power

[light linden]

yharim vehemtly opposes absorbing auric souls

[livid sierra]

true but that was just a idea somone like xeroc or smth could etc

[long bloom]

he just wants all gods to die

[pulsar ocean]

power
imagine he ascends imperfectly and becomes the god of not dying wouldnt that be enough to reach the goal of killing xeroc

[livid sierra]

which makes sense

[split mortar]

Absorbing more then 1 auric soul results in
Bad

[wanton pendant]

Two is bad, three is worse.

[livid sierra]

im guessing it causes somone to sorta go insane?

[wanton pendant]

Good luck pulling off four.

[livid sierra]

like drunk with power sorta thing

[wanton pendant]

Three you turn into Polterghast.

[livid sierra]

ohh

[wanton pendant]

Two will mess you up.

[light linden]

basically

[pulsar ocean]

if you're flowey can you absorb 2 auric souls

[split mortar]

If you absorb 3 you arent insane you become something like polterghast

[livid sierra]

so DOG devoured gods did he ever eat any auric dragons

[light linden]

you're essentially making your soul outnumbered

[long bloom]

no

[wanton pendant]

Unlikely.

[light linden]

the only one left was yharon

[livid sierra]

do we know what gods he ate?

[wanton pendant]

He may not even be old enough to have done so.

[long bloom]

all the dragons died long before he showed up

[long bloom]

we know none

[wanton pendant]

No specifics.

[livid sierra]

true i wouldve thought he was OLD but yueah

[split mortar]

Prob otonilou and tyrian

[livid sierra]

i see

[livid sierra]

oo

[split mortar]

And others that are unnamed

[light linden]

DoG is possibly older than he seems?

ok can of worms

[split mortar]

Weaver is older then DoG

[wanton pendant]

DoG could be really old or really young.

[pulsar ocean]

so the cutscene of him eating providence was a infernum thing? 😭

[long bloom]

yuh

[split mortar]

Yes

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[long bloom]

not canon

[split mortar]

Based on when dog hated providence in old lore

[light linden]

DoG serves something from another dimension that is gathering god essence for an unknown reason

[wanton pendant]

This is likely Noxus.

Or Boxus, his secret brother!

[livid sierra]

maybe that will be a later boss

[light linden]

I was tryna keep things short

[light linden]

it's a possible superboss

[wanton pendant]

It will.

[livid sierra]

also do we know where yharim is? hes this big auric hitler yet hes no where to be found?

[livid sierra]

cant wait"

[wanton pendant]

Dragon's Aerie.

[pulsar ocean]

noxus wants to craft all of god essence into miracle miracle matter to get the best gear to beat xeroc

[light linden]

he's in the dragon aerie

[split mortar]

Dragons aerie

[livid sierra]

is that like a dragon ressurection place?

[wanton pendant]

Yes, exactly.

[light linden]

which is a pocket dimension related to where dragons got resur-

[split mortar]

Yeah
And times a bit fucked there

[light linden]

ok

yeah time is paused there

[livid sierra]

so im guessing hes trying to gain more power?

[split mortar]

No

[wanton pendant]

No.

[light linden]

no

[wanton pendant]

He's depressed.

[light linden]

he's depressed

[wanton pendant]

Turns out killing all gods is really hard.

And he also did some bad things.

[split mortar]

Just sitting around depressed cause he cant beat the sun in a fistfight (xeroc)

[livid sierra]

LMAO

[wanton pendant]

Like grooming, treachery and so on.

[pulsar ocean]

why doesnt yharim just politely ask draedon to give him exo nukes to wipe out all living things to kill silva

[split mortar]

Oh yeah yharim groomed a minor into nuking italy

[livid sierra]

HUH

[wanton pendant]

It's on the chart!

[livid sierra]

so yharim is a pred hitler whats next diddy?

[wanton pendant]

So normal Hitler?

[split mortar]

Calamitas was a minor when he manipulated her and she nuked ilmeran sea which may be the size of itsly

[livid sierra]

gah

dayum

do we know how scal got her power? and is she a god of sorts

[split mortar]

If she was a god yharim would have killed her without hesitation

[livid sierra]

true

[light linden]

no not a pred

[livid sierra]

i suppose it also depends on what he counts as a god?

[wanton pendant]

Unkown specifics, probably from Brimstone Elemental.

[split mortar]

We dont know for certain but i theorise she somehow absorbed the brimestone elementals powrr

[long bloom]

most likely by absorbing brimstone elemental magic

[wanton pendant]

God has a specific definiton.

[long bloom]

definitely not a god

[wanton pendant]

She doesn't qualify.

[livid sierra]

so does that mean the brimstone elemental is technically on par with scal?

[split mortar]

The definition of god in calamity is someone who did the ascension ritual on a auric soul

[light linden]

he manipulated a teenager with extreme amounts of power into commiting war crimes

[livid sierra]

aha

[long bloom]

no

[split mortar]

Was
Not anymore

[wanton pendant]

It may have been. Not anymore, for certain.

[livid sierra]

so she like drained their power? thats what i think atleast

[split mortar]

She has grown in skill and power and brimmy has well
Lost that power

[livid sierra]

ah

[long bloom]

probably

[livid sierra]

this lore keeps getting better

[pulsar ocean]

why isnt yharon also chilling in the aerie

[wanton pendant]

He was.

[split mortar]

I think yharon was until we decided to exist and stab things

[livid sierra]

so do you think the FINAL boss of calamity will be yharim?

[wanton pendant]

He is.

[livid sierra]

like a proper boss

[wanton pendant]

With two superbosses after.

[pulsar ocean]

he is

[pulsar ocean]

(if calamity mod doesnt get abandoned after yharim)

[livid sierra]

im guessing hes not out yet or atleast rlly secret

[wanton pendant]

They said they'd do it.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's not out for years.

[split mortar]

Yharim will be the final boss but xeroc and noxus (if they get added) would be post game superbosses

[pulsar ocean]

as far as we know they havent even started doing him

[livid sierra]

ok few i thought i missed some crazy bosses

[livid sierra]

damn

[split mortar]

Fabsolian yharim would be hell

[livid sierra]

also is nameless deity and the other one cannon or no?

[wanton pendant]

Triangle was saying earlier that Noxus and Xeroc are basically guaranteed.
No.

[pulsar ocean]

no

[split mortar]

No

Addons arent canon

[livid sierra]

makes sense

[pulsar ocean]

addon content no matter how cool are not canon

[livid sierra]

i would love infernum to be cannon like dog eating providences core

[pulsar ocean]

please make goozma canon

[livid sierra]

also why is ceasless void chained up? im guessing bc he is a void and woulkd devour everything?

[wanton pendant]

That's an Infernum thing.

[split mortar]

Goozma is a great boss but i dont think canonising slimes making a auric soul by existing fits the worldbuilding

[light linden]

well

[pulsar ocean]

is he even chained up not in infernum

[light linden]

ok mostly right

[wanton pendant]

He's not even there outside of Infernum.

[livid sierra]

ohh i thought it was in all modes

[tropic oak]

hi

[split mortar]

CV isnt seen outside the boss fight in base cal

[pulsar ocean]

i havent played basecal in so long

[split mortar]

Hey

[light linden]

vcmm is the only possibly canon addon

[wanton pendant]

Have you not played Calamity outside of Infernum?

[pulsar ocean]

laaame

[livid sierra]

i have but not for a while

[wanton pendant]

I don't think background music counts as canon, as it's not diegetic.

[livid sierra]

so i sorta forgert

[split mortar]

Fair

[livid sierra]

so does that mean jetstream sam is technically in calamity verse?

since the murasama is there

[pulsar ocean]

is roar of the jungle dragon playing in yharon's head during the fight

[wanton pendant]

No.

[livid sierra]

aww

[split mortar]

What your terrarian hears is up to YOU

[pulsar ocean]

devs hate fun crossover content is not canon

[wanton pendant]

Fine, auditory hallucinations can be canon, as a treat.

[livid sierra]

i wouldve loved for a jetstream sam npc to help you fight yharim

[pulsar ocean]

what if im jetstream sam does that mean mgrr is canon

[split mortar]

Im making the terrarian frisk undertale and you cant stop me

[livid sierra]

i love this community damn well i gotta go now thank you all for telling me about the lore it was incredibly fun to read ill look at the doc later tonight!

WAIT completely off topic do you think yharon would be confused if u used a mod that makes you a dragon and fought him as a dragon?

like this

[split mortar]

Prob not since only auric dragons are near extinct

[wanton pendant]

Yharim likes dragons, Yharon would know you're not a true auric dragon.

[livid sierra]

ah true

alr i gtg have a brilliant day/night all tysm again

[split mortar]

Cya

[light linden]

also-

or ig not

[split mortar]

Lol

[pulsar ocean]

why would we wanna kill noxus

[wanton pendant]

Probably dangerous.

[split mortar]

You decide

[pulsar ocean]

what if hes a chill guy

[wanton pendant]

There will be blood!
Shed!
It's the only thing I've ever know!

[distant smelt]

Time to learn modding and make the completely balanced auric dragon race

[pastel bay]

Can you imagine being the slime god.
You show up to some random human who just began to exist out of nowhere. They whoop your ass, you flee, they release the spirits of the world and immediately beeline for you.

Better yet, do you think that's what properly makes Yharim take notice of us? Properly hunting down a god?

[wanton pendant]

No, Yharim notices us because we find a magic rock phone.
This feature has not yet been implemented.

Killing Slime God probably made him proud, however.

[split mortar]

Wasnt this just a suggested idea and not guaranteed

[wanton pendant]

I don't remember.

[long bloom]

it was confirmed

[zenith skiff]

Does prime moonlord (fovos) solo the verse?

[wanton pendant]

No.

Xeroc would kill him.

And also, you know.

All the dragons managed to defeat him.

[zenith skiff]

actually lemme rephrase, doesn’t prime moonlord scale above almost everyone in the verse

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

Sans Xeroc.

[zenith skiff]

but moonlord left zeratros deathly injured, allowing xeroc (who was at the time a normal human monk) to kill
him and consume his auric soul. he also did this while basically fighting every dragon

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

Then Xeroc was able to become the God of Primordial Light.

[zenith skiff]

and if zeratros is equal in power to xeroc then moonlord scales above him

[wanton pendant]

Thus making Xeroc more powerful than the Moon Lord had been.

Zeratros is FAR weaker than Xeroc.

Well, was, he's dead.

[zenith skiff]

wait why

[wanton pendant]

Zeratros is stronger than Primordial Wyrm and Yharon, but we don't know by how much.

To put things into perspective, Xeroc bascially can control the sun.

[zenith skiff]

wait no like

why is zeratros weaker

because they have the same auric soul

xeroc stole zeratros’s auric soul which is where his power comes from

[wanton pendant]

Becoming a god kinda melds your soul with the Auric Soul. That's why most gods don't share a domain with the original dragon, and why taking more than one is a bad idea.

Xeroc also did what is referred to as a 'perfect ascension' which is likely more powerful.

Considering the two known gods to have done that were in the top 3 of all time, at least, that are known.

[zenith skiff]

i thought you just assume control of the respective domain when you consume the respective auric soul

[wanton pendant]

Oh, you usually don't.

Only Xeroc and Silva have control over the original domain.

[zenith skiff]

oh okay so most of the gods are weaker than the dragons because of this?

[wanton pendant]

It's more likely they are stronger.

Although there may be exceptions.

[zenith skiff]

like they’re stronger when they attain control over the domain or when they don’t

or does it not matter

[wanton pendant]

Remember, a lot of gods were able to kill the dragons while still human.

And then got a power boost.

[zenith skiff]

yes, but i thought that was because fovos nearly killed tjem

and they were all on the brink of death anyway

[wanton pendant]

Fovos didn't kill every dragon, and regardless the hunts took place over many years.

[zenith skiff]

i thought he left them all severely weakened

[wanton pendant]

Even if Fovos had maimed every dragon, they'd probably have recovered somewhat by the time they got hunted.

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is stronger than Zeratros because ontop of having the same auric soul he also trained for a comically long amount of time and not only has far more fighting experience than zeratros does but he also has much better control of primordial light

[zenith skiff]

i thought zeratros was extremely old

[wanton pendant]

Probably was.

[zenith skiff]

so why does he have less control over the primordial light

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but dude probably didn't have much of a reason to train given the dragons probably didn't face much adversity

[zenith skiff]

i see yeah i guess that makes sense

[pliant ruin]

Evidently so by the fact moon lord coming out of nowhere took them by total surprise

[wanton pendant]

Basically, I generally assume most of the gods were stronger than the dragon they got the soul from, since they're kinda melding the souls together, and some gods did hunt their dragon, requiring them to be capable of defeating them.

[limpid saddle]

This is true

Though we know by Providence that there were at least a few bands of brigands marching around trying to snag auric souls

[zenith skiff]

that is a interesting theory, but i don’t agree for a few reasons. the first, is that the dragons themselves must have had their own souls on top of their auric souls, considering there are decedents of dragons without auric souls like the Eidolon Wyrms and duke fishron. additionally, i assumed many of the dragons were just straight up killed by moonlord and the rest were on the brink of death

[dusk laurel]

evil dragon gets absorbed by omnicidal woman

top ten worst outcomes in history

[zenith skiff]

i’m more on board with this idea

[wanton pendant]

Dragons that were killed but had their souls intact could be revived. Those injured likely did become the first victims to the gods.

[limpid saddle]

Well consider that the original form of Auric Souls, the World Soul Shards were pure & unfettered, thus allowing an easier assimilation

I think by both processes (world soul to auric & auric to god soul) the souls became 'their own', but its less so with God Souls

As we know via Slime God (& Providence a little) that the original Dragon's instincts & tendencies can reflect on & transform the personality of the God

Whereas it seems no such thing is true with the World Soul to Auric Soul conversion

[wanton pendant]

The nature of the ascendee likely also influences the resulting domain.

[zenith skiff]

what is a world soul shard this does not exist in lore

or unless you’re talking about something else

[wanton pendant]

It does.

[limpid saddle]

(On that I personally subscribe to my own 'Aftermath' theory, which posits that God Domains are the 'aftermath' or result of the Dragons Domain [Gluttony > Slime, Flame > Ash so on])

[zenith skiff]

and i’m getting confused by the terminology

[wanton pendant]

The World Soul was some force that used to exist, but shattered.

The pieces were bestowed to the dragons, thus becoming Auric Dragons.

[limpid saddle]

well it was the soul of the world

[zenith skiff]

wait where, is it mentioned in the lore items and stuff?

[zenith skiff]

oh interesting

[wanton pendant]

Yharim probably doesn't know much about this.

[limpid saddle]

It seems more like they discovered it & claimed shards for themselves

[zenith skiff]

where does it say this?

[wanton pendant]

'One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Dragons who were born after all the auric souls had been gifted to their kind were forced to make do without, forever outside of the cycle of rebirth. Yet in a twist of fate, the Auric Dragons' age would end, and those rejected would be the survivors in this new world.'

[limpid saddle]

Im sorry twin but im gonna be honest, a solid like 60% of the existing lore isnt integrated & is ALL in dev statements

[zenith skiff]

even if it doesn’t there should be something that implies it or explains it in current lore if it’s canon

[wanton pendant]

There is.

[zenith skiff]

ohhh

[wanton pendant]

I just posted it there.

[zenith skiff]

i see

[wanton pendant]

Old Duke's Bestiary entry.

[zenith skiff]

okay okay

[zenith skiff]

alright alright

[limpid saddle]

I pinky swear we arent blowing out of our asses though

[zenith skiff]

okay yeah that makes sense

aight

yuh

okay so

[wanton pendant]

Oh, also, this does mean Yharon's ability doesn't work (at least fully) on non-Auric Dragons.

Unless Yharon's just racist.

Which, he is. But we don't know HOW racist he is.

[limpid saddle]

Oh & on this topic the God Of Sacrifices (guy that became Ravager via his cultists trying & failing (kinda) to ressurect him) Agnus is very unique because we know that upon becoming Ravager the Domain of his Soul changed

From God Of Sacrifices to God Of Blood

Most assume because of the spiteful & desperate souls of the cultists that congealed his soul back together impacted the domain

(& it still fits in aftermath theory because they literally ritually sacrificed themselves to make the God Of Blood, what happens when you stab yourself? Blood, it all makes sense...)

[odd magnet]

guys idk if this is a lore thing or not but what was the original plans for astral

[wanton pendant]

Like, the old lore for it?

[odd magnet]

like its original name was astral meteor and was like? was it in the sky or something

[odd magnet]

sure and ig what the old version was like in game

[wanton pendant]

Astral Infection is as old as Revengeance mode.

[odd magnet]

but like, it was purple and yellow once, what was up with all that?

[wanton pendant]

Because they thought it looked good at the time.

Then new artists with new ideas come in and the whole thing gets redesigned.

[pliant ruin]

Whenever you ask yourself "why did x thing look like this" it can generally be boiled down to "because they thought it looked good at the time" tbh

like calclone is an eyeball but not becfause of any like lore that was specifically designed that lead to that sprite she just looked like that bc thats how artists made her and the lore was retroactively fit around that

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt yharim just absorb the souls of the humans he killed like in undertale is he stupid

[brazen swallow]

he ain't yhasgore

[thin stream]

to anyone familiar with the lore of calamity. Im making a DnD calamity campaign and im needing some help on races. idk any deep dive stuff about calamity so any help or ideas would be appreciated

[wanton pendant]

I'm not well versed on DnD but I know a bit about the Calamity lore.

[thin stream]

oooo cool cool you dont have to be versed in dnd i just need lore. Do we know what Calamtas is like race wise or no?

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is a human.

But she's a kind of human referred to as Azafurian, as that is the only known city they lived in.

[eager bluff]

yeah its just an iteration thing

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, she has horns and grey skin, but she's still a human.

[eager bluff]

constant iterations of the same base concept that while they got better and certainly dont look like the first clone sprites also havent deviated from that initial recolored retinazer enough for the chain to be broken

[thin stream]

ok cool obviously i have humans as a race so i could do like subrace. Is she the last of her kind?

[eager bluff]

no

[wanton pendant]

Unlikely.

Other characters from Azafure (who aren't the Azafurian race) are known to be alive.

Also, Calamitas Clone exists.

[limpid saddle]

I dont what the benefits of an 'Azafurian' subrace would be anyway

Oh

[eager bluff]

unless you mean like specifically physically then maybe? but in terms of overall azafurian we do have others present ingame

[limpid saddle]

We do have Jellyfish people

[wanton pendant]

Who, obviously, is Calamitas' race.

[limpid saddle]

thats fun

[wanton pendant]

Fish people, seahorse people, assume a lot of sealife people.

There were sky people, they're dead and we don't know if they had any differences.

[thin stream]

i got just like a "Merfolk" idea in mind

[wanton pendant]

We got that.

[thin stream]

Jellyfish peopel?

[wanton pendant]

At least one.

[limpid saddle]

Yeah Ontonilou

Goddess Of Electricity

[wanton pendant]

Assuming Otonilou was always a jellyfish.

[limpid saddle]

we do know that she was

[wanton pendant]

Oh, good.

Add that to the list of gods that weren't a human originally.

So there's more than one.

[limpid saddle]

I dont know why consuming the Auric Soul of Storms would turn you into a jellyfish

[wanton pendant]

Flame turned Providence into a butterfly.

[thin stream]

i have been out of the lore discussion for a long time i have no idea who this is

[wanton pendant]

One of the founders of Ilmeris.

[eager bluff]

theres a gallery in pins

[limpid saddle]

Yeah but at least she has the ash thing to coincide with the wood & rocks

[wanton pendant]

Providence, on the other hand, wants to murder everyone.

[thin stream]

did not mean to do that

[wanton pendant]

Jellyfish are associated with electricity culturally.

Do what?

[limpid saddle]

I feel like it's more likely to turn you into a living tornado than a jellyfish

[north root]

counterpoint: ontonilou is a jellyfish name

wait what the frick when did the infernum fire turn pink

[limpid saddle]

TRUE...

Weird how this was a discussion at all

anyway im gonna go to sleep & dream dreams of animating a calclone amv that will never exist

[thin stream]

so quick question if they cant be answered thats all good:What is the primordial light? and is Yhariam still a villian?

[wanton pendant]

Sunlight, and yes.

[thin stream]

ok ok thank you!

[wanton pendant]

Very important note, it's MAGIC sunlight.

Not normal sunlight.

[pastel bay]

Like solar power

[wanton pendant]

Oh, also, I have a chart explaining the crimes and justifications of Team Yharim if you'd like.

[pastel bay]

Well now I want to see the chart

[thin stream]

id like that. The campaign is based off the events of calamity sprinkled with my ideas

so a sheet would be nice guidance

[wanton pendant]

Here you go, pal.

[thin stream]

this helps so much😭

[north root]

you love this war crime chart don't you

[pastel bay]

Yharon kind of fumbled his purpose ngl

[wanton pendant]

Of course I do.

[thin stream]

why does yhariam like bees so much

[wanton pendant]

Characterisation. Also bees obey their leader.

[north root]

because he's a jungle tyrant and guess who's also a jungle tyrant? that's right, queen bee

[pastel bay]

Used to be the jungle thing

[wanton pendant]

Ignore her.

[thin stream]

simple i like that

[north root]

Ignore him.

[thin stream]

so making Yharim and Draedon villians isnt a bad idea?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim obviously is a villain.

[pastel bay]

Draedon is debatable

[north root]

draedon is a science man

[wanton pendant]

Draedon is amoral, he does things for science and nothing more.

[pastel bay]

He's uncaring, but not explicitly evil

[north root]

and if he has to kill people to get that science done then god dammit he's still gonna science

[pastel bay]

He lets us name something we create that he'd been struggling to do forever

[eager bluff]

draedon is more in the antagonist category than villain category

[wanton pendant]

He made the Civilian Exterminator because he was asked to and he wanted to see if he could.

[north root]

MIRACLE MATTER WOOOOO

[pastel bay]

He also displays emotion over the name we chose

[limpid saddle]

never forget

Skeletron Prime

[north root]

it's our fault its called skeletron prime

[thin stream]

ok wicked what characters would be good villians? obv Yhraim from what ive seen but any others?

[wanton pendant]

DoG.

[limpid saddle]

Yharon

[north root]

this is why all calamity players will go to hell

[wanton pendant]

Providence.

[thin stream]

the yes man ofc

[north root]

providence was a good guy theory

[wanton pendant]

Noxus if you like making stuff up.

[pastel bay]

Providence is a good one for a second party foe

[eager bluff]

yharim, dog, yharon, provi

[pastel bay]

Oooh ravager

[wanton pendant]

Dogma if you like time travel and making stuff up.

Ravager's a zombie.

[limpid saddle]

World Evil's 2 could be pretty good minor antagonists

[north root]

noxus if you like telling the Complete and Factual Truth

[thin stream]

making stuff up is all DnD so yes

[pastel bay]

Yeah but ravager is a good side quest kind of boss

[north root]

Zeratros if you're Woke, Red Pilled, And Have Escaped the Matrix

[thin stream]

like the king slime is just some chill ass guy in this world so im twisting a bit

[wanton pendant]

King Slime tries to eat our face off.

[limpid saddle]

Being the coalesced corpses of the God Of Dogma (The Corruption) & a dozen others alongside the God Of War (& a dozen others) so they could make a good opposing faction

[thin stream]

There will be side quest going on. My goal is to have ever calalmity boss and a few vanilla

[north root]

he's just jumping around not his fault you got in his way

[wanton pendant]

Oh, also, there's some indev dialogue about how magic works.

[pastel bay]

Cal clone you can do a lot with

[limpid saddle]

Maybe villagers & such start getting brainwashed by the hivemind & wandering off into the corruption

[north root]

now the crown jewel is evil

[thin stream]

i like that

[limpid saddle]

then for perforators...

idk uh

[north root]

brainrotted

[limpid saddle]

the villagers are being perforated

[wanton pendant]

Although, Hive Mind is probably a bit too..... screwed up to really do that consciously.

[limpid saddle]

this is bad!!!!

[thin stream]

im also making the classes rn as well so its early stages but i need lore mainly

[north root]

does the brainrotter mean to spread 67 out into the world? yet the brainrot spreads the same...

[wanton pendant]

I have the lore. They call me the lore guy. I have accidentally become important to the Discord server, please help.

[thin stream]

well i have to leave soon so if any of yall have ideas or important information just shoot me a dm🙂‍↕️

[limpid saddle]

Given that it's trying to bring itself back together by amassing reverence i think it is doing it pretty consciously

[pastel bay]

I dumb things down every few months and then vanish into the wind

[odd magnet]

you know what we havent discussed

[limpid saddle]

its just not good at it

[north root]

i have the lore, he is a liar, he hates the real lore because it conflicts with his war crime chart

[thin stream]

the war crime chart helped

[limpid saddle]

WaterWraith is a newhead that doesnt know ANYTHING

[wanton pendant]

Also, there's a whole document on a dead civilization.

[limpid saddle]

I have taken all knowledge from his mind

In 10 minutes he will forget how to read

[odd magnet]

man

cant believe this

[thin stream]

ill probably do the first Arc the corruption and Crimson arc

[north root]

i've been in this server for 4 years i just accidentally left a few weeks ago

[thin stream]

is there any higher bosses or entities i can connect to those places?

[north root]

i am draedon and waterwraithgaming is a nuclear toad

[wanton pendant]

You can send me a message if you want any help, I've been helping people with writing recently.

[wanton pendant]

Hive Mind and Perforators, I guess.

[thin stream]

ill probably do that

[limpid saddle]

Well the hive mind & perforators

[pastel bay]

Not anymore beyond the second evil bosses

[thin stream]

figured hive mind

[limpid saddle]

You know they are getting bumped up to post moon-lord

[thin stream]

theyll be a subversion

[limpid saddle]

They're a pretty big deal

[pastel bay]

Im sorry what

[wanton pendant]

Hive Mind's really important, Perforators are probably really important.

[odd magnet]

uh yharim but red and yharim but purple

[wanton pendant]

So true!

[odd magnet]

and for astral we do yharim but blue

[limpid saddle]

dogma has 2 more letters in it than dog HE SCALES TO OMNIVERSAL

[tropic oak]

wat r we on about

[wanton pendant]

D&D.

[thin stream]

blue yharim for the ocean, black for the abyss

[odd magnet]

and hallow is yharim but pink

[tropic oak]

boring

[north root]

astral is orange and purple

[pastel bay]

Wh

[thin stream]

"Thought it was eater of worlds but it was me purple yharim"

[odd magnet]

green yharim for the sulphursea

[limpid saddle]

Anyway egg guy the world evil 2 bosses are getting promoted

[north root]

you thought it was yharim but it was me, golden wulfrum excavator

[limpid saddle]

thats canon

[odd magnet]

cosmilite yharim for distortion

robot yharim for the exo mechs

[limpid saddle]

wheres purple wulfrum excavator

[thin stream]

so should i turn hive mind and perfarator to post moon lord?

[north root]

that's noxus dumb face

[odd magnet]

maroon yharim for azafure

[limpid saddle]

You dont have to but you can

anyway im going to sleep

[thin stream]

i think itd be cool i wont follow everything direct but for the most part i will

[limpid saddle]

gn calcord

[wanton pendant]

I've seen people do it.

[pastel bay]

Have G'night

[thin stream]

night!

[limpid saddle]

Is this The Legend Of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures?

[north root]

i think we should discuss the political implications of the yharon republic now

[thin stream]

is yharim known in the world or is he kinda a low key chill guy in the shadows

[wanton pendant]

He's REALLY well known.

He killed half the planet.

[limpid saddle]

he is very known

[wanton pendant]

How could you not!?

[thin stream]

forgot about that

[wanton pendant]

It'd be like not knowing who Hitler was.

[limpid saddle]

He killed 5,000,000 people by punching a table

[thin stream]

jeez😭

[wanton pendant]

That got retconned, sadly.

[limpid saddle]

& slaughtered an army with a spinal cord

[odd magnet]

if he was a guy in the shadows the final boss would have been xeroc

[wanton pendant]

I don't think that was ever a thing, but who knows.

[north root]

except if hitler was still alive and also actually conquered even more of the world of course

[limpid saddle]

he has canonically killed at least a dozen people with a spine

[wanton pendant]

What was the Old Lore on?

[limpid saddle]

i believe rebecca stated it at one point in my early tenure here

[wanton pendant]

Wait.

[north root]

the spinal tap is a cracked weapon man

[wanton pendant]

Are you saying that's new lore.

[limpid saddle]

you do what you gotta do

[north root]

the spinal tap is broken i don't know what to say

[wanton pendant]

Dear God.

[limpid saddle]

& sometimes you need to kill people with a spine

[eager bluff]

no that was like

12

[wanton pendant]

Wonder Woman:

[north root]

wait that could be evidence for Yharim Summoner Theory

YHARIM SUMMONER THEORY IS BACK

[eager bluff]

he killed like 12 people by punching the table in old lore

because they were all sitting at the table

[limpid saddle]

Yharim fight he summons 12 tiny yharons with the exact same moveset as regular yharon

[north root]

he's like jesus but instead of eating food he fucking kills everyone

[eager bluff]

reb ended up rewriting it for new lore at some point but i dont think its canon and i dont remember where she posted it regardless

[limpid saddle]

yeah the table thing was a bit

ok bye for realsies

[north root]

i feel like the yharim fight could actually involve him like summoning the ghosts of dead dragons or something. i don't know

[wanton pendant]

Farewell.

[eager bluff]

i think he would rather die before doing that

desecration of the dead and whatnot

[north root]

well not as much he summons them as they just come and help him anyway

its like the dragon aerie magic stuff could happen i don't know

[wanton pendant]

He made a child necromancer fight for him.

[eager bluff]

also iirc that requires their souls to be intact which they are in fact not

[eager bluff]

well yeah but thats the dead he doesnt give a shit about so its fine

[north root]

is there actually a thing where you need your auric soul to come back as a ghost

cause at that point why wouldn't you just get yharon to revive you

[eager bluff]

you need your soul to come back as a ghost seeing as thats what a ghost is

and auric souls are a dragons soul

[wanton pendant]

Some would say that for some they were.... a dark soul.

[north root]

i feel like it's totally possible a dragon's life essence exists in a seperate form to their domain and divine power

at the same time i just think this would be good boss design so i don't really care

i mean what is yharim gonna do he's just a guy with a sword, he can't do a bullet hell can he

[wanton pendant]

Yharim was ranked #1 in the Touhou leaderboards back in the day.

This is CLEARLY explained in Polterghast's lore.

[eager bluff]

punch you very hard and be very aggressive

[odd magnet]

i mean you dont know what sword he has

like

[north root]

yeah but he needs dead dragons otherwise he can't do 215 bullet hells per second

[odd magnet]

projectile swords in the terraria world

and they dont even need mana

[north root]

yes i do

it's in the name

it's the tyrant yharim's ultisword (shortening of ultimate sword)

[odd magnet]

this is the fandom wiki

[north root]

what's in a name

[wanton pendant]

Light mode detected, opinion discarded.

[north root]

xeroc loves me

i live in the light

[wanton pendant]

It burns.

[north root]

also it was actually called that for a while

calamity devs try not to hide the truth challenge impossible

[odd magnet]

Probably as a joke

[wanton pendant]

Are you sure?

It had a whole upgrade tree.

[north root]

it was like that since it was introduced until 2.0.3

[odd magnet]

There’s no way the crusade was done with a post plantera broadsword

[eager bluff]

yeah no it used to be just flat out yharims sword

[wanton pendant]

That's why he had an upgraded version.

[odd magnet]

Really?

[wanton pendant]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Defiled_Greatsword

[eager bluff]

oh actually it was defiled greatsword yeah

[wanton pendant]

He had an even better one, too.

[eager bluff]

but both of them were at one point yharims sword

[wanton pendant]

'Changed flavor tooltip from "The one true blade that Yharim could never achieve" to "Contains the essence of a forgotten age".'
Nevermind.

The Defiled Greatsword is BETTER than Yharim's sword.

[odd magnet]

Why would they do that

[north root]

yharim never achieved the UNLIMITED POWER OF UELIBLOOM

[odd magnet]

It don’t even look auric

[wanton pendant]

Old Lore was crazy, man.

[north root]

uelibloom is too powerful for him

[odd magnet]

This is why uelibloom’s getting removed

[north root]

uelibloom bars >>>>>>>>>>> auric bars

[eager bluff]

he didnt use an auric sword back then

[north root]

yharim bullied ozzatron until he got rid of uelibloom

[eager bluff]

like it wasnt ever auric

[pastel bay]

The yharonlings

[eager bluff]

he was big yellow auric man but aside from his armor he never actually used auric

[odd magnet]

What was his sword then?

[wanton pendant]

The Tyrant's Ultisword.

It's right here on his old concept art.

[north root]

anyway i think yharim uses a zenith now

it seems right for him

[pastel bay]

A good foil to us having the exoblade

Both come from the terra blade

[eager bluff]

shoutout to bloody edge

[odd magnet]

I meant the material

[north root]

i guess chlorophyte?

he could never conquer the great and fossilized tree bark

[eager bluff]

thank god we've moved away from nights content being corruption and there needing to be a crimson alt because of ???

[mighty zenith]

ultisword was so funny

[odd magnet]

Your precious uelibloom will one day fall over to the sludge and be replaced with something different like nothing happened

[pastel bay]

Uelibloom 2

[mighty zenith]

yeah the final boss and main bad guy who is hyped to all hell and feared by everyone uses a post-plantera weapon

[pastel bay]

Bloom harder

[eager bluff]

fun fact its technically hell themed because dark lance

[mighty zenith]

and then you get true ultisword which is like post-polter

[wanton pendant]

Plantera's strong!

[odd magnet]

Auerus lover has a new pfp

[eager bluff]

hey garbo

hits you with my beam

[mighty zenith]

hi

what the FUCK

ok waddle doo

[wanton pendant]

True Ultisword also canonically was stronger initally.

[odd magnet]

Either everyone was really weak back then or were just really bad at using yharim tech

[pastel bay]

Gonna be real back then I thought he wielded the sword in Roxcalibur

Without the rock,

[odd magnet]

That would go hard

[mighty zenith]

calibur

[wanton pendant]

Caliburn.

[mighty zenith]

like sonic

[pastel bay]

Sonic the hedgehog canon to calamity Noxus is just dark gaia

[wanton pendant]

Dark Gaia's probably stronger than Noxus. By a lot.

[mighty zenith]

dark gaia is like a literal force of nature or whatever

[eager bluff]

why did that ever exist

[pastel bay]

Entirely depends on how the End scales

[eager bluff]

who decided excalibur needs a twin sword

[wanton pendant]

Caliburn was the original name of Excalibur.

[odd magnet]

The thing i found weird about that was you could craft both with either sword either way

[wanton pendant]

Before later translations changed the name.

[odd magnet]

So it was kind of stupid

[pastel bay]

Excalibur was either a replacement, or the repaired stronger version of Caliburn

[wanton pendant]

That's what they are referencing, with Caliburn being the real Excalibur.

[pastel bay]

The actual origin is unclear but I like the repaired version better

It was, from a narrative point, literally just power creep

[wanton pendant]

Similarly, the whole 'Excalibur's sheathe makes Arthur immortal' is also based on the actual myth if I remember right.

I believe it healed wounds.

[north root]

caliburn .. .. calibornm/ ..

[eager bluff]

i always heard it in the way that there actually another sword made by the same person that made excalibur at the same time (or just showed up depending on interpretation iirc) and its just Out There Somewhere and that sword is caliburn

[pastel bay]

Lady of the lake

[north root]

we need to bring back night's stabber

truly the longest sword of our time

[wanton pendant]

Re-implement every single removed Short Sword.

[odd magnet]

We should get rid of weapons in calamity and everyone fights eachother by picking up a set of playing cards and we play card games

[north root]

including terra shiv

[odd magnet]

I wanna defeat yharim in blackjack

[pastel bay]

Thats just one of the rouge weapons

[north root]

there are lots of gambling weapons in calamity

such as orange zapinator

[odd magnet]

So I own three sets of playing cards for nothing then ig

Fuck

[north root]

wait why is the COSMIC SHIV still in the game

[wanton pendant]

Why not?

[pastel bay]

Its more like a spear than a shiv

And i mean in the way it attacks

[north root]

they removed all the shortswords up until elemental shiv

and then they were like "you know what you can keep these two"

fuck no i want my terra shiv back

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[north root]

(and also my true excalibur shortsword)

[wanton pendant]

There's the catch.

Imagine donating money only to request a Short Sword.

[north root]

why is the ELEMENTAL SHIV still in the game

[eager bluff]

because fuck you

[odd magnet]

I mean the cosmic shiv needs something to fall back ona

[north root]

how much money do i have to pay to get terra shiv back

[eager bluff]

you dont

unless you want to reimplement it in an addon

[odd magnet]

Also wtf why is there a whole separate shortsword version of the terra blade crafting tree

I just saw this

[eager bluff]

shortsworditis

[wanton pendant]

Was.

[north root]

if i become a dev and finish sso tomorrow then they gotta let me have the terra shiv back

[wanton pendant]

Those were the days.

[pastel bay]

Was way back before you could aim shortswords anywhere

[wanton pendant]

Do it.

[wanton pendant]

That was a 1.4 feature.

[pastel bay]

Ye

Good feature

Makes em usable. Shame we dont have em anymore

[odd magnet]

Calamity’s take on the terra path is so weird actually

[pastel bay]

It's not that weird anymore

[split mortar]

You should go sleep

[pastel bay]

Do we think DoG is good at poker

[split mortar]

No

[north root]

yeah it's like midnight for you english

englishmen

[odd magnet]

It follows the normal terra path, then there was a crimson variant, then we have a variant for every class

Then terra upgrades to elemental

Then elemental upgrades to an exoweapon

[eager bluff]

the class variants are dumb and i dont think anybody actually. likes them

[odd magnet]

And maybe the cosmic shiv is trying to tell me that elemental used to go to cosmic

[eager bluff]

nah

[north root]

all of the nights weapons are so icky

[eager bluff]

unless thats a pre-1.4.5 cal thing but it definitely hasnt been a thing for over half a decade