lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

objectively not as bad as some of the things Yharim did

People think the plague is way worse than it actually is due to the way Yharim talks about it methinks

Like the Plague is morally reprehensible and is a severe case of Animal Abuse

But then you look at what Yharim does

he has a robot specifically designed to Torch Civilians which is a literal War Crime In Real Life and he also . sunken sea .

[woeful hatch]

I mean that was made by draedon

[split mortar]

Draedon did it under request
We know no such thing would be made by draedon naturally

[pliant ruin]

yeah but it was requested by yharim, meanwhile the plague was actually made by draedon's own will

[tropic oak]

xeroc

[split mortar]

Kinda gay

[pliant ruin]

so while i can see the argument for draedon having part of the blame for the Civilian Incenerator 3000 id personally still say it counts more as a Yharim thing

[woeful hatch]

Yeah but like it's not like draedon was forced to

He was like "that's a great idea let's see if I can use soul to power my machines"

And he considered it a failure because they still had free will

[split mortar]

Yeah but draedon as president wouldnt
Create that

[woeful hatch]

Well if he found it useful to advance science he probably would

[pliant ruin]

Draedon can do horrible shit but if left by himself, the things he does will generally be motivated only by his desire for knowledge and thus violence and torment for the sake of it are not on his list of things to do, specially considering that he's aware that becoming public enemy number One would not be good for him

[split mortar]

Ok but how would it be useful to do such

[pliant ruin]

Yharim on the other hand

He will do Violence and Torment based on his own ideology

Draedon's Bad is not the Point, it's means to an end, while Yharim's Bad is the Point

[split mortar]

Draedon has already
Made skeletron prime

Draedon also may or may not like
Give tech

[woeful hatch]

Ok but Yharim did have someone who pushed him to take revenge on that , to which he owed his life and shared his soul with

Without that motivation, would he actively make the civilian torcher 1000

I'm still for draedon president btw

I'm just not sure he's that much better

[split mortar]

I dont get what this question accomplishes

[woeful hatch]

Well, I assumed it meant Yharim and draedon would be presidents IRL

Aka outside of their environment

And in that environment, yharim's main motivator to do genocide would probably be absent

[split mortar]

Unless yharim decides to nuke some religions

And he os still

Racist

[woeful hatch]

Yeah, that's why I said I'm still for draedon

Because Yharim, even if theoretically possibly better, is too unstable

[split mortar]

Thats true

[lunar island]

i managed to finally get bored enouigh to sit on the outskirts of the world until i got enough cloth to fight a preboss goblin army

yayyy

[pulsar ocean]

they were weak

prolly

id survive it

ngl

[fleet wedge]

Broke?

"Are you homophohic?"
"I'm gay"
"He's dodging the question!"

[fleet wedge]

Civilian Incinerator 3000

[fleet wedge]

I mean, would you want your machines to have free will? Don't think so

[pulsar ocean]

i assume thatd be a breakthrough and that every scientist wants to achieve that

[wanton pendant]

The free will is burning people alive.

[north root]

president draedon would have humans on saturn by saturday but those humans wouldn't be having much fun thats for sure

president yharim would be. i don't know actually. i mean there aren't any gods on earth so what would he even do with his life

maybe he'd be an animal rights president like teddy roosevelt

[distant smelt]

Yharim should’ve just been a beekeeper

[north root]

yharim loves the birds and the bees

[hasty jay]

President Yharim would be the first misotheist president
He's so annoying that atheism has practically ceased to exist in the country by the end of his first term

[brazen swallow]

he wouldn't last a week as president without some crazy drama involving gods or dragons

[leaden bridge]

there arent either in our world

[brazen swallow]

he would find out about movies and use them of evidence of dragon existence

[leaden bridge]

he wouldnt really last long as president if he started rambling about that

also hes not stupid

[wanton pendant]

He waged a crusade against gods despite like two of them being unkillable. I think he's stupid.

[north root]

in fairness yharim didn't know that they didn't add the xeroc fight yet

he doesn't have that 6-dimensional knowlegde we have possesion

[wanton pendant]

Yes he does. Yharon leaked it to him.

[distant smelt]

In fairness it worked for a while

[wanton pendant]

But it's a Sisyphean task.

[pulsar ocean]

Drop multiple auric nukes on the planet and go live on Mars so you don't count for the silva countdown

[wanton pendant]

Sun.

[pulsar ocean]

Drop nukes on the sun

[wanton pendant]

I don't think that would work.

[pulsar ocean]

Why?

[wanton pendant]

It's the sun.

[pulsar ocean]

The sun is a lot smaller after all

[wanton pendant]

It's still the sun.

[pulsar ocean]

You can live on its surface

[wanton pendant]

I can, you can't.

[pulsar ocean]

Exactly that's why nukes would work

[wanton pendant]

Now you made Xeroc mad.

[pulsar ocean]

Install cheat sheet

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc installs the divorce mod, and threatens to make your parents separate. Mutual Assured Destruction.

[pulsar ocean]

I achieve the goal by any means necessary

[wanton pendant]

You don't get two Christmases, because it's your fault.

You end up with none.

[pulsar ocean]

Xeroc died

No more gods

I win

[wanton pendant]

Your new stepdad won't let you play Terraria.

[pulsar ocean]

Absolute victory

[wanton pendant]

So you can't enjoy your new world.

Also, you missed the God of Not Dying.

[pulsar ocean]

I download cheat sheet irl and press kill all enemies button

[wanton pendant]

That kills you, as you are your own worst enemy.

[pulsar ocean]

How did he kill the dragon of not dying
That means he IS capable of dying

[wanton pendant]

No, it was the Dragon of Dying.

Which made the God of Not Dying.

[pulsar ocean]

How did it become the opposite of what it was

[wanton pendant]

It does that sometimes.

Souls are funky and all that.

[pulsar ocean]

Are they tho

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[pulsar ocean]

No way I can argue with that

[north root]

just go inside of the sun and vacuum all of the helium out of its core, in like 500ish years itll supernova

if you can't wait that long vacuum out the carbon too

[north root]

the dragon of dying died before anyone could get its auric soul

everyone blamed yharon

thats why he doesn't have a resprite yet

[pulsar ocean]

why did auric ore spawn after yharon died

[north root]

it was actually there all along you just weren't looking hard enough

[magic epoch]

The more perfect an ascension is, the closer a god's domain is to the dragon's they ascended with

So if it's the opposite then that ascension was straight ass

[real glen]

lore writers! show the Aether lore and my life is yours!

[north root]

i headcanon its like zeratros' blood or something

[jaunty wraith]

Is the aether even canon? I think It was added after calamity new lote was made

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

It was added before I think

Aether is canon, there just isn't anything talking about it currently

[jaunty wraith]

Will added features in 1.4.5 and beyond become canon? I would assume not

[magic epoch]

I don't think 1.4.5 is really going to be adding much that could be considered not canon for reasons beyond crossover content? but i may be forgetting some items

like. a stress ball would break the calamity mod lore it can't be canon

[jaunty wraith]

How would a stress ball break lore?

[north root]

i think they have enough technology to make a stress ball

they have nuclear bioweapons

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah? We don't often decanonize things

Though that doesn't mean they'll have a presence in the canon (be mentioned or explored in ingame lore)

[pliant ruin]

the immense importance of the Slime Spear to the lore

[odd magnet]

Do you guys think providence would say unholy shit instead of holy shit

[north root]

no only the healer guardian does that

which is why people tend to kill them first

[fallow willow]

Is avatar of emptiness actually canon?

[young socket]

no addons are canon

theyre made by different teams

[fallow willow]

But xeroc displayed at wotg canon

[young socket]

that isnt even xeroc

and again

wotg is not canon

[fallow willow]

I was pretty sure it is xeroc

[young socket]

its a seperate character called nameless deity

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc isn't in WotG.

And even if he was, it's still not canon.

[random mulch]

nameless deity and xeroc are completely unrelated

[sleek halo]

wotg has permanently cursed this channel

[long bloom]

you mean the server

if not the entire community (looking at you red nation)

[wanton pendant]

Who the hell is Red Nation?

[cloud ibex]

reddit

[long bloom]

we call it the red nation

because funny

[mighty zenith]

reddit assemble

[wanton pendant]

Wait, you're not a Redditor?

[long bloom]

who

[wanton pendant]

Left as an exercise to the reader.

[wheat walrus]

Up to u twin

Don't let the canon government deceive u twin

Jokes aside I can actually understand it w addons but I do find all the indicating abt canon to be hella boring

Ultimately, it should be up to the reader, doubly so if it's literally just stuff that's in the mod VS discord dev statements

[wanton pendant]

Please do not tell people fanfiction is canon.

I don't even want to consider the gates of hell that would open.

[split mortar]

Wotg isnt canon but if you want you can still include it in calamity fanfics or whatever nothing stops you from doing that

[feral skiff]

how did the aquatic nation smelt the metal under the water in the sulphurous sea

[wanton pendant]

Forges.

Wait, Sulphurous Sea?

Are you thinking of Azafure?

[split mortar]

Sulphurous sea?

[wanton pendant]

They're not underwater.

[split mortar]

Ilmeris is not in sulphurous sea

[wanton pendant]

They're under the underwater.

[split mortar]

And azafure was in hell

[gritty kraken]

My stupid reads it as aquatic scourge

[split mortar]

I did that for a moment

[wanton pendant]

Aquatic Scourge took up blacksmithing as a hobby.

Anyway, the aquatic nation is Ilmeris, they were nowhere near the Sulphurous Sea.

The nation underneath the Sulphurous Sea was Azafure, and they weren't aquatic.

[wheat walrus]

I never said that holy strawman

Reread what I said if u actually wanna tell me smth

[wanton pendant]

It was the first thing you said.

[wheat walrus]

I said up to u jokingly and then actually elaborated

[cloud ibex]

"jokes aside"

[wanton pendant]

And I know it was a joke, but I don't want to take chances.

[pulsar ocean]

didnt you have a cool role or im tripping

[wheat walrus]

Bro what chances

[long bloom]

yeah like 3 months ago

[wanton pendant]

I think they were a patron.

[pulsar ocean]

time flies by so fast

[split mortar]

Xzier was a patreon for a bit yeah

[wanton pendant]

Have you seen this server's literacy rate?

[split mortar]

Cosmilite tier

[wheat walrus]

U had the entire thing layed out for u

And "canon" is honestly irrelevant gng

[long bloom]

what

????????

[wheat walrus]

Twin

"this is canon", "this isn't canon"

[pulsar ocean]

what if xeroc is like miku and every xeroc is canon

[wheat walrus]

What I said previously

[split mortar]

When someone comes in asking for if something is canon i feel it very much is relevant to say what is and isnt canon

[wanton pendant]

You know what, screw it, someone pull up a Calamity fan fic and we can discuss its writing.
(Please don't actually do that.)

[wheat walrus]

I can at least understand it for addons since they're not even made by the devs usually

[long bloom]

calamity high

[pulsar ocean]

why do people call yharim gay

[split mortar]

Has the vibes

[wanton pendant]

Nevermind, that's peak.

[long bloom]

he was married to draedon

[wheat walrus]

The question is stupid

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

Still was asked

[wanton pendant]

This is the lore channel where we discuss canon.

[long bloom]

knowing things is stupid guys

pack it up

[wheat walrus]

I'm sorry twin the word "canon" is so stinky

[long bloom]

lore discussion is dead

nobody's allowed to know things anymore

[wheat walrus]

Holy strawman twin

[wanton pendant]

Fine then, the official continuity.

[pulsar ocean]

what are your thoughts on carcinogen and the verboten one

[long bloom]

stop calling me twin

[wheat walrus]

Twin

[cloud ibex]

iunno man i don't think it's unreasonable to ask "is [thing] part of official lore"

[wanton pendant]

Integral to understanding Calamitas' bone marrow cancer diagnosis.

[cloud ibex]

can you not

[wheat walrus]

"is thing in the game part of official lore"

[long bloom]

that's a reasonable question yes

[dusk laurel]

might be the worst thing ive read in a while

[wheat walrus]

I think the "decanonizing" things that are in the game is silly

Because it should be up to u

[long bloom]

???

[mighty zenith]

the question asked was regarding an addon though

not the base mod

[wheat walrus]

Yuh

[mighty zenith]

yeah so why bring this up now

[wheat walrus]

I made an exception for that

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt we notice auric ore in giant veins everywhere before yharon was slain are we stupid

[wanton pendant]

What argument are you even trying to make?

[mighty zenith]

if it has no relevance to the topic

that was discussed

😭

[wheat walrus]

This is like the n1 lore discussion problem gng

[split mortar]

Yharon births auric ore on death

Dont

Think

Birth

Was a good word

To use

[sleek halo]

welll. whenn u wanan craft a coherent story

[wanton pendant]

Reconsider.

Sorry for liking storytelling and consistent writing.

[sleek halo]

something like respawning kind of fucks it all up when

[wanton pendant]

Like, I joke about it, but there is a good reason Jesus isn't canon.

[long bloom]

i've decided yharon doesn't exist bc i don't like him

[pulsar ocean]

i agree hardcore should be the default calamity setting

[long bloom]

do you realize the issue here

[wheat walrus]

Yea but you also have an entire character that's made by you and at that point you just shouldn't be adding things if you're gonna tell people they actually don't exist

[split mortar]

Hey guess who controls what the terrarian can do

[pulsar ocean]

Good for you i see no issue if you think that way

[cloud ibex]

when you have a project like cal with as many layers upon layers with old retconned bullshit i think it's fair for devs to clarify what's still applicable and what they simply haven't gotten around to changing yet

[long bloom]

it completely breaks the story

[wheat walrus]

Leave it vague !!!

[cloud ibex]

why

[long bloom]

that's bad actually

[split mortar]

Signus is the envoy of the devourer

[wanton pendant]

Have you never read a story before?

[long bloom]

clarification is good for understanding things

crazy

[pulsar ocean]

was calamity retconned more than fnaf

[long bloom]

yeah

[cloud ibex]

okay the passive aggression is not necessary here

[wheat walrus]

You can let people know when thing's canon but I think when you have something like crossover material, dev items n such you can leave it up to the player

[wanton pendant]

If you want a completely up to player interpretation story, base Terraria exists.

[wheat walrus]

you know

[wanton pendant]

Calamity is not that kind of story.

[wheat walrus]

Cause I'm the one reading the material and a dev saying that thing I used to kill a boss actually doesn't exist is just Death Of The Author

[pulsar ocean]

why is everyone praising skyrim so much ive played it recently and it was just kinda buns

[wheat walrus]

Brother holy shit no one said that

[wanton pendant]

You did.

Multiple times.

[wheat walrus]

No???

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[wheat walrus]

Reread

[wheat walrus]

Reread

[wanton pendant]

Look, kid, what's the point of this argument?

You're just going in circles.

[cloud ibex]

"kid" what are we doing here man

[wheat walrus]

You can have a coherent story without trying to lock ppl abt the things u added in your own game not existing on discord

[cloud ibex]

why do you talk like this

[split mortar]

Is calling omni a kid passive aggression

[wheat walrus]

Since that is honestly kind of anti-reader

[cloud ibex]

it's definitely Weird

[wanton pendant]

Ok, I'm sorry, I didn't think about how that would come of.

[young socket]

can like

everyone shut up

[split mortar]

You know this wont work

[young socket]

we alr had 2 mods say to do that 5 minutes ago

[long bloom]

how important to you is it that the marksman bow exists

[wheat walrus]

It's not much

[pulsar ocean]

what if there was a calamity canon edition as an additional mod where everything that isnt canon and is old lore is deleted

[wheat walrus]

But I still stand by what I said

[split mortar]

Really?

[long bloom]

true

[split mortar]

Dont think it was stop talking
Just stop being passive aggressive

[pulsar ocean]

how does dog take off the armor

[split mortar]

Sheds it like a snake does skin

[mighty zenith]

slams against a wall until it comes off

[wanton pendant]

He has a bunch of really small arms.

[long bloom]

he activates noclip and lets it fall through him

[split mortar]

Gay

[wanton pendant]

That's gay.

[wheat walrus]

I think going on about "this isn't canon" about things that are in the game, when you can very easily leave it unaddressed, or like the terrarian, is kind of anti-reader, especially since most of these things are so inconsequential and it just feels like another version of "you can't have your own interpretation".

It's also Death Of The Author, since this usually is a voice entirely outside of the provided material, telling you that parts of said provided material are to be ignored. When something is in the material and I can choose to use it or not to use it, it should be up to me whether the thing exists in the story I go through, not those who gave me the material. Especially considering that a while ago, some guy tried to make a "lore accurate" playthrough taking into consideration dev statements about canonicity, and the progression was severely crippled at points. You're inevitably gonna have to indulge in the "noncanon", so why does it have to not exist?

Continuity isn't even a concern, because by doing this you aren't confirming nor denying the canonicity of these things, you only confirm what has to be confirmed (as in, the characters, history and events that happen in the world and setting, 99,9% of this has nothing to do with the present or what you do), and what doesn't have to be confirmed within the setting (multiple items and events that I can remember) is just like the terrarian, up to you.

I don't even care much about the things that would be exempt from canonicity, but I think that canon discourse in media is more often than not bias-based, I also think that as a writer, you shouldn't be denying the canonicity of weirder things in your material, and instead leave it up to interpretation, possibly the strongest weapon in writing, instead of having a Death Of The Author moment. And it's kind of concerning how quick y'all are to call people illiterate and kids over this.

And no, I don't find myself concerned at the devs, I disagree with their approach, but they are nice people. But this kind of behavior here from yall is concerning

[wanton pendant]

God, it's just things like the special thanks items and Christmas not being canon it's not remotely a serious issue.

[wheat walrus]

I don't think it is, I like talking about topics like these in general and if you knew me enough, you'd know I can go paragraphs over just about anything I find interesting

The issue is the community behavior about this

[long bloom]

wdym "concerning behavior"

that seems a bit dramatic

[wheat walrus]

It's problematic that as a community we're pushing criticism out as being illiterate and basically ganging on ppl in chats over it

[wanton pendant]

Well, I don't know you, and I don't see any issues with the lore channel discussing lore.

[long bloom]

when did that happen /gen

[wheat walrus]

Minutes ago and you were very much part of it

[long bloom]

[wheat walrus]

[cloud ibex]

i don't think this is a this channel exclusive thing but yeah that's fair

[wheat walrus]

It's still an issue to be called out

[young socket]

the reason the lore accurate playthrough didnt work as intended was because everything calamity related was crippled due to "its current ingame representation isnt accurate and will need to be reworked"

[cloud ibex]

some people in this server have a tendency to get Really defensive over people criticizing some future sprite or writing choice or whatever

[wheat walrus]

I think what I said still definitely applies

[young socket]

so u have "mod that need 80% of it to be reworked" not be able to be played

[long bloom]

ohh that makes more sense

[cloud ibex]

no no i'm not saying it doesn't happen here

[split mortar]

concerning bow quick yall are to call people illiterate and kids over this

Agreed that was concerningly quick

[cloud ibex]

i'm saying it happens in other channels too and it's just as annoying then as it is in here

[wanton pendant]

A 'lore accurate' playthrough would just be hardcore without using dev or donor items, the Murasama, and you only run into an issue post-DoG because there are still the non-canon moons.

[wheat walrus]

Even in a future, much better state, it's anti-reader to be trying to deny the canonicity of things, for all the reasons I mentioned

[young socket]

cool thats not wat my arguement was about

[long bloom]

it's also important to note that calamity is bound by the shackles of vanilla, which is a detriment quite often

it's not easy to work around some of the weirder shit

[wheat walrus]

Then I think it goes unsaid

We all know Calamity Is incomplete

[wanton pendant]

Additionally, insisting that everything MUST be canon is also detrimental, sometimes moreso.

[wheat walrus]

I never said everything has to be

[split mortar]

Omni isnt insisting that…

[wheat walrus]

You think too much about the word canon

[split mortar]

Just saying let stuff be more up to interpretation

[wheat walrus]

When what I was pointing at with a thousand sticks is

[wanton pendant]

You've lost me. I have no idea what your argument is anymore.

[long bloom]

yeah what

[wheat walrus]

The core parts of the setting, as in the characters and history, are hardcanon.

Stuff like the aforementioned dedicated items are up to you. Simple

[split mortar]

Right so this

[wheat walrus]

I think going "this is canon and this isn't canon" is anti-reader, because you are killing room for interpretations about parts of the game you can interact with if you so wished to.

Now, whether you want or don't want to take those parts in consideration, up to you

[wanton pendant]

I think they just didn't want the anime Devourer of Gods that stabs people to be factored into the narrative.

[long bloom]

how is canonizing things anti reader

huh

[split mortar]

Omni
Is
Not
Saying
To
Put
That
In
The
Narrative
I
Dont
Think

[wheat walrus]

No one is forcing you to take Murasama as canon, but the opposite shouldn't be forced either. Forcing canonicity about things that are available in the material for you to consider or not consider is anti-reader, as you kill room for reader interpretation.

[split mortar]

Its the decanonising i think
Just going “this isnt canon” to blanket parts of the gameplay removing possible interpretation of the player

[wheat walrus]

^

[long bloom]

melon read the first sentence

[wheat walrus]

Xzier read literally anything I said

[long bloom]

?????

i'm clarifying what you said to melon

how is that not reading

[wheat walrus]

Yea I genuinely don't think you understand

[odd magnet]

What are we talking about fellers

[split mortar]

Ok
I
Dont see how that part matters to the message omni is conveying

[odd magnet]

I’m a chef now

[wanton pendant]

No idea.

[split mortar]

About how calamity handles certain stuff being canon or not

[young socket]

can u boil everyone here

[wheat walrus]

Talking about how denying the canonicity of material instead of leaving it up to the reader is anti-reader and death of the author

[long bloom]

because you said their point is only about decanonizing?? when 4 words in you're proven false????

[young socket]

also omni arent you using death of the author wrong

[odd magnet]

Why would

This is an insult to my culinary skills 😞 😞

[wanton pendant]

That's what I've been thinking.

Wouldn't that mean they don't see Embers as canon.

Calamity is still actively being written, the authors aren't dead yet.

[wheat walrus]

Double checked but, the author's interpretation should not limit the reader.

[wanton pendant]

It's not an interpretation?

[wheat walrus]

This is quite literally what's being discussed here, thus making it death of the author

[wheat walrus]

Brother that's the entire point and castle I've been building

[wanton pendant]

Christmas and the like not being canonical isn't an interpretation issue.

[split mortar]

Its the fact theres no room for interpretation is what omni has an issue with i think

[wanton pendant]

You think so? There are places where there is room for interpretation if I recall, like the Solar Eclipse.

[young socket]

yes that is the meaning but youre using it in the opposite way. death of the author is invoked whenever you think a readers interpretation should matter more, not the authors

[split mortar]

?????

[wheat walrus]

That's what I've been saying!!!

[wanton pendant]

I'm really confused right now.

[split mortar]

I didnt say there was no interpretation in all of calamity idfk what you on about

[wanton pendant]

I never accused you of claiming as such?

[long bloom]

i think what the author says matters more right now because the story. isn't done

[split mortar]

How else am i meant to interpret

mentions christmas
brings up eclipse out of nowhere

[wanton pendant]

It was meant as an example of things that do have interpretation for them.

[split mortar]

Yes and i was not on about them????

[odd magnet]

What part of the game are you guys even discussing about with this canonicity stuff?

[wanton pendant]

Donor items and the like I think.

[split mortar]

Dev items, references, donor snd some vanilla stuff i think

[wheat walrus]

Whether I or you or Melon see the optional weapon we've been using in the game as real or not real should be an individual question for the individual to answer for themselves and not impose on others who may want to see it differently and are in the right to do so. Not the developers on discord who gave us that optional weapon in the first place but do not consider it to be real to the setting in their own eyes.

Emphasis on the optional and the individual

[odd magnet]

Vanilla stuff?

[long bloom]

crossover content

[wheat walrus]

Yharim existing isn't an optional to the world, me using a Murasama entirely is

[long bloom]

and seasonal moons

[split mortar]

The frost and pumpkin moon or old ones army as things i can think of

[wanton pendant]

I think there's a good reason to not want things that people paid you to implement to be consequential to your world.

[long bloom]

okay this makes more sense

[wheat walrus]

No one said that

[long bloom]

yeah i can see where ur coming from ig

[wanton pendant]

I did!? That's my own argument!?

[odd magnet]

Oh that makes sense

[wheat walrus]

Yea but implies I'm trying to say that I'm trying to make things hardcanon

[wheat walrus]

Thank you

[odd magnet]

That’s sad what do you mean draedon isn’t jolly??

[wanton pendant]

No it doesn't? I'm saying there's a reason they don't want it even dubiously canon.

[wheat walrus]

Get the word canon out

[wanton pendant]

What word would you rather I use?

Since it seems that one is not to your liking.

[wheat walrus]

There is no dubiously canon or noncanon or hardcanon here, there is individual interpretation about what you think should be and shouldn't be without stepping on readers and other readers' own interpretations

[long bloom]

you lost me again

[wheat walrus]

Also refer to the message I'm replying to

[wanton pendant]

You appear to have an incredibly unique way of interpreting narrative that few share and conflicts with many narratives, and I'm still not sure what it's meant to be.

[young socket]

smthn smthn the terrarian is up to you so therefore the terrarian can create anything or find anything

unless it like

[wheat walrus]

YES IT'S THE SAME THING AS THE TERRARIAN MEME

[young socket]

directly contradicts something

terrarian is actually just dog

[odd magnet]

Mine is a hooligan

[wanton pendant]

The only thing I can think of with a narrative that would appeal to you is Terraria.

[split mortar]

Omnis argument is make this image the case for more stuff

[long bloom]

i agree with that, i don't agree with the notion that canon doesn't matter at all

[odd magnet]

That was an argument?

[split mortar]

The canonicity of the moons is YOU

[cloud ibex]

terraria is no longer canon to reality

it's being erased

my soul will finally be free

[wanton pendant]

Are you sure?

[frail hearth]

The canon is whatever fits my narrative and theming B)

[wheat walrus]

I choose to interact or not interact with thing, not the writer. I can view dev items and other things in that same vein as real or not real based on that premise, but I should not step on the toes of others when doing so.

This doesn't affect elements that are hard-established in the setting, all the events and characters that happened and exist/ed in the timeline, happened and exist/ed, and that's it. But a discord dev statement ahould not stop me or others from making our own choice as the reader and player as to whether a more nebulous something that's in the game that I can or cannot use truly exists or not. That should be up to you, and I think going "this is objectively noncanon" to things because a developer said so a year ago on discord is what's anti-reader. The game itself takes precedence over the developer's own interpretations of it outside of the game itself. The material itself takes precedence over the writer's interpretation of it outside of the material itself.

[frail hearth]

akito's not canon? he is now!

[wheat walrus]

Strong mindset

[frail hearth]

Homestuck radicalized me on canon

It can literally whatever i think would make a cooler story.

das the magic of fiction baybe

[wheat walrus]

That's a slight extreme to me but respectable

[frail hearth]

the original canon's still there i mean :u

like for your personal roleplay or story if you want yahron to leave behind his son for those sweet auric afterlife cigarettes i say go for it. y'ait hurting anyone

[wheat walrus]

I personally think what I said, but I also think that if one gets to the point of having to remove large chunks of the material, that maybe it's just not for them,,,

[frail hearth]

i'm using akito as an example because he's there and easy >u>

[long bloom]

"writer's interpretation" isn't a thing in this scenario, they're not interpreting anything. they're deciding things. it's the writer's decision, just like nearly anything else in the story

[long bloom]

what's akito

[split mortar]

Donor item that is the son of yharon or something

[cloud ibex]

donor item son of yharon pet

[long bloom]

oh akato

[frail hearth]

the baby yahron pet i'm assuming i'm getting the name wrong of >m<

[wheat walrus]

The writer's decision taken outside of the work, on a discord chat, based on what they prefer. It's an interpretation

[long bloom]

why do you get to decide that

[frail hearth]

my brain's doing osme weird cross-wirey stuff so i keep thinking of Agito and getting the letters mixed up @u@;

[wheat walrus]

I am not deciding that that's literally the definition of writer's interpretation/take

[long bloom]

it in fact is not

[frail hearth]

I haven't even watched his season ;0;

[wheat walrus]

Death Of The Author again

[long bloom]

i've personally encountered many examples of writer's interpretation with calamity and this isn't the same

mostly about asking them what order timeline events are in

[frail hearth]

oh goodness where are we why are we talkin about death of the author ;u;

[wheat walrus]

The discord dev statement has no weight compared to the actual material they provided, and the latter should be what you base your takes on usually you know

[frail hearth]

sorry i got distracted ;0;

[long bloom]

dev statements are very important when there isn't a major update in a year and a half

[wheat walrus]

If you want to consider them

[long bloom]

you should, because they're effectively canon

[frail hearth]

I personally like going off every source i can find. in game or otherwise. but that's cus i'm a huge nerd @U@

[long bloom]

just not explicitly canon

[wheat walrus]

They still should not limit me or you in how I view the material

[frail hearth]

soon-to-be-canon

[wheat walrus]

And this is once again death of the author

[wanton pendant]

Then why are you in the place where we discuss the Dev statements?

[frail hearth]

we are? >_>

[wanton pendant]

And you're not using that right.

[frail hearth]

i thought this was lore discussion

[cloud ibex]

no this is lore discussion

[wheat walrus]

This is the place where we discuss lore

[cloud ibex]

dev statements just happen to be a part of lore

[frail hearth]

we're talkin about like metalore

[wanton pendant]

The dev statements are on the lore.

[long bloom]

stop just saying "death of the author" that doesn't mean anything

[cloud ibex]

i'd argue too big of a part

[split mortar]

This isnt dev statement discussion channel

[wheat walrus]

Holy shit it does

[long bloom]

you can't blanket apply it to everything i say without further elaboration

that's unfair

[frail hearth]

yea like isen't death of the author when you're engaging in a work by like a sussy auther? how does it apply to lore in dev statements vs in game? @-@;

[wheat walrus]

Something the writer has said outside of the work they published should not take precedence over the work published. That is death of the author

[wanton pendant]

The dev statements about what is going to be in the story absolutely isn't covered by death of the author. Since the author isn't dead yet.

[frail hearth]

so like HP lovecraft right? super racist but his work's pretty influencial.

[mighty zenith]

wha

no thats not what it means

[wheat walrus]

???

[wanton pendant]

That's separating the art from the artist.

[wheat walrus]

This is not the author literally dying holy shit

[wanton pendant]

I know that.

[mighty zenith]

death of the author means examining a piece of work without elaboration from the creator

[wheat walrus]

And you were making comments about me not reading

[frail hearth]

fuckin ay i wasen't aware there was a distiction tbh. sorry >_<;

[wanton pendant]

Stop making stuff up.

[long bloom]

no you did

i was there

[wheat walrus]

Want me to scroll up

[split mortar]

You called omni a kid

[wheat walrus]

Also this

[wanton pendant]

I said sorry.

[frail hearth]

im not making stuff up i have a developmental disorder ;0;

[long bloom]

they were referring to omni

not you

[frail hearth]

sorrysorry @-@

i think i've lost track of the convo

[long bloom]

yeah discord kinda sucks at organizing fast convos

[frail hearth]

-# time to google what death of the author actually means rq >.>;

aaaah i see

[split mortar]

Fuck it i know how to make the dev items and such canon

Terrarian is up to you and so what gear they use is so a dev item can be canon if you say so even with the dev statements of certain things not being canon

[mighty zenith]

white guy pointing

[wheat walrus]

I'll accept if yall stop jumping between misconstruing points and twisting term definitions all because I said that something a developer said in a social media message a year ago that most players/readers won't even see shouldn't take priority over the game they themselves provided that players/readers will see and experience and their own way of viewing the work they experienced

[dusk laurel]

[wheat walrus]

The apologies I mean

[wheat walrus]

Kiss on the forehead for this one

[frail hearth]

I made one of the doner weapons a part of a character's lore cus she's got a prosthetic arm and needed one durable enough to last post moonlord. I thought it'd look cool as one >u>

[split mortar]

This solos your fav dev statement

[wheat walrus]

TRUE

[cloud ibex]

ultimately i feel like most items, even some dedicated content, can be explained as "this is some bullshit the terrarian invented" and it ultimately won't really impact the story much

[wheat walrus]

Also this

I do not get why we have to be so staunchly against player choice being player choice

[long bloom]

yeah that's true

[cloud ibex]

like okay sure the terrarian just decided to make a sword stuck in a rock or a cosmilite shortsword or a bow that looks like yharon

[frail hearth]

behold my sickly summoner and her non-canon(?) arm prosthetic \o/

[cloud ibex]

doesn't really change much story wise so whatever

[long bloom]

warlok's moon fist

[frail hearth]

that's the one! :D

[long bloom]

technically it's part of the stratus set apparently

[frail hearth]

...glad that registered... i was kinda freaked i didn't render it clearly enough >.>;

[dusk laurel]

this is p cool

[mighty zenith]

la creatura

[frail hearth]

yis

the party cannon is canon because it is a cannon. case closed

[dusk laurel]

real and true

[frail hearth]

cannons are all canon because this joke will be funny if i say it enough >u>;

[long bloom]

coral cannon isn't canon bc amidias is a bitchass loser

[frail hearth]

damn what'd amidias do to you >u<

[split mortar]

Amidias lost the fist fight with a child

-# scal

[long bloom]

sell terrible worthless weapons

[frail hearth]

listen if i was in a fight with a child with abnormal proficiency with brimstone magics i think i'd lose too ;0;

[mighty zenith]

this is sans dollar slander

[split mortar]

Sans has a dollar?

[frail hearth]

of course not he's a cheapscate

his wallet's bone dry

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

The terrarian image is healthy for this chats ecosystem

[wanton pendant]

Post it ten more times we might actually be productive again.

[cloud ibex]

please don't

[frail hearth]

I gotta find that calamity roleplay wiki again. i know it's canon's prolly outdated but it was pretty rad seeing all the characters and stories people came up with :0

[long bloom]

total calamity

it's called total calamity

[frail hearth]

tyty

[split mortar]

I wont
I have learned moderation and when to post it

[long bloom]

surprisingly literally the only resource for finding old boss sprites

and all boss sprites in general as gifs

[pulsar ocean]

you think super sonic would beat xeroc calamity mod

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[split mortar]

Depends on the iteration of sonic i think
Some beat goku some lose to xeroc i think

[wanton pendant]

Overkill, if we're beating honest.

[frail hearth]

does he have preptime

[pulsar ocean]

who

of the characters

[frail hearth]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Sure, give Xeroc prep time.

He's still gonna die.

[long bloom]

xeroc has 800 years of prep time already

[pulsar ocean]

xeroc loses with prep time

[long bloom]

that's his entire existence

prepping for whatever

[frail hearth]

5 zillion rings sonic sweeps

[wanton pendant]

The only Sonic I can think of that loses would be Nicky or whatever his name is. I don't know if he ever went super. Maybe Prime Sonic, since he kinda sucked.

But he's meant to be the same as mainline Sonic.

Boom Sonic, that guy's screwed.

[frail hearth]

i don't know enough sonic lore to know the powerscaling between sonic continuities ;u;

[wanton pendant]

British Super Sonic is evil.

[frail hearth]

I've been meaning to tho! I hear the IDW comics are pretty cool.

[wanton pendant]

IDW is mainline.

[frail hearth]

I swear i've seen this "Coznix" guy somewhere before... I can't remember where. I think it was a playthrough with some guildies way back when? >_>

[long bloom]

thorium boss

[frail hearth]

right thought so @u@

[long bloom]

coznix the fallen beholder

[frail hearth]

why's he here?

[long bloom]

where

[frail hearth]

wait lol why am i asking that's what hte wiki page is for xux

seems he was a dark god in this roleplay lore :0

[odd magnet]

I’m back guys

[wanton pendant]

We don't know things about Total Calamity.

[odd magnet]

Whatsa happen

[long bloom]

i know like 2 things

[frail hearth]

yeyea sorry

[split mortar]

The canonicity talk ended

[long bloom]

ira sanguinos

[odd magnet]

Why has the discussion changed to total calamity

[split mortar]

I ended it with the ultimate proof

[wanton pendant]

Can we ban Xzier for that?

[frail hearth]

I'm reading the wiki! it's fun :D

[wanton pendant]

Search me.

[split mortar]

The terrarian is up to you so what they fight or use must also be up to you

[long bloom]

completely fair

[odd magnet]

Sweet

[frail hearth]

i made mine like whatever the zooligist has goin on except bunny instead of wolf

[odd magnet]

Jolly draedon is finally back

[frail hearth]

wearhare >u>

[wanton pendant]

Cursed?

[frail hearth]

yea p much

[wanton pendant]

And hares and rabbits are different things.

[split mortar]

Werewolf but fox instead but bunny instead

[frail hearth]

I know but the alliteration was too good to pass up @u@

[wanton pendant]

That's not alliteration.

That's rhyming.

[frail hearth]

yeah that one >u>;

[long bloom]

it's kinda alliteration

[wanton pendant]

It really isn't.

It does rhyme.

[long bloom]

why must calmain users be so pedantic

[pulsar ocean]

why doesnt yharim just collect the chaos emeralds to beat xeroc

[split mortar]

Because he is homophobic and the chaos emeralds are gay

[pulsar ocean]

are they

[split mortar]

Rainbow = gay

[pulsar ocean]

butt

there is 7 emeralds and only 6 colors on the gay flag

[wanton pendant]

They're from space and Yharim is racist.

[split mortar]

The chaos emeralds know of gayness humans are yet to find out

[frail hearth]

they're using the first pass at the gay flag which had 7

[pulsar ocean]

why doesnt yharim just stop aging is he stupid

[frail hearth]

skill issue

[split mortar]

Thats what gods do and he cant accept that

[frail hearth]

dying of old age to own the gods >u<

[wanton pendant]

Why didn't Yharim invite all the gods to a meeting then slam his fist on the table to kill them all? Is he stupid?

[pulsar ocean]

the god of cowardness wouldnt come

so that wouldnt work out

[split mortar]

Shame

[wanton pendant]

Just make a teenager kill that one.

[frail hearth]

god of obnoxious ammounts of luck would miraculously survive. as they always do, the tricky bastard >_>

[split mortar]

Ecumena…

[pulsar ocean]

how do we know the galaxy level threats xeroc is defending the planet from even exist and that xeroc doesnt just drink beer and lay on his couch on the sun

[wanton pendant]

What kind of beer? Hopefully not WOKE beer with pronouns!

[pulsar ocean]

they only sell gay beer on the sun vending machine

[frail hearth]

that's his grift. he killed them all eons ago he just still says he's fighting them so nobody bothers his booze cruising

[split mortar]

Xeroc doesnt drink alcohol they smoke weed

[wanton pendant]

Not even Guinness?

[random mulch]

new sun subworld in SSO:
-xeroc is there
-there's free beer
-there's a couch where you can watch family guy reruns with xeroc

[pulsar ocean]

you think yharim ever tried snorting the auric ore dust

[split mortar]

Forgot the natural weed that grows there

[young socket]

wrong

[pulsar ocean]

how does it grow

[young socket]

xeroc has been waiting for one piece to end for 800 years

[wanton pendant]

From the ground.

[random mulch]

using the sunlight, obviously

[wanton pendant]

Sans plays constantly.

[frail hearth]

what better blaze than the sun?

[pulsar ocean]

in calamity one piece is at chapter 6741 and they still havent found it

[frail hearth]

it's like... Weed 2.

[random mulch]

if yharim can cause an earthquake simply by slamming a table

[pulsar ocean]

he cant

its old lore

devs hate fun

[random mulch]

imagine what could be possible if he stacked 2 tables

[pulsar ocean]

outerversal xeroc was left behind in favor of plain and boring continental scaling

[random mulch]

the smaller scaling makes feats more impressive tbh

at a large enough scale it kinda just loses meaning

[frail hearth]

speaking og xeroc this kinda providence looking version of him on the total calamity wiki looks so sick :0

[wanton pendant]

Yharim manipulating children is more impressive, got it.

[wanton pendant]

I believe that's fan art.

[frail hearth]

the rainbow flames are prettyyyyy >u<

BANGER LORE. 🙏

[split mortar]

I look at this and think of embers providence

For some reason

[frail hearth]

it does seem remnicent of providence... maybe they used her as like a basis for what gods looked like post assension?

[split mortar]

Ravager and slime god dont look like that

[long bloom]

rav wasn't a god

[wanton pendant]

Embers Providence is BLUE.

[pulsar ocean]

new yharim slams the table and breaks his fingers

[wanton pendant]

He is now, baby!

[long bloom]

no, she was blue then turned iridescent

[frail hearth]

I know, but this wiki is based on older lore.

[long bloom]

true

[frail hearth]

I'm glad gods can be varried in their appearence!

[wanton pendant]

No, it's based on a fan fic.

Which was based on older lore.

[gritty kraken]

Dragon aerie table

[frail hearth]

the plot thickens :0

[pulsar ocean]

how did yharim almost get slimed out by the 2 gay randos

[wanton pendant]

Gay power is immense.

[frail hearth]

I like WotG's interpretation of the dragon aerie. I dig the whole galactic garden of eden vibe it has

and the xerocodiles are adorable >u>

[random mulch]

that's not the aerie

[wanton pendant]

WotG did not include the Dragon's Aerie.

[pulsar ocean]

theres a dragon aerie in wotg?

[frail hearth]

wait rats it's not??

[wanton pendant]

No.

[frail hearth]

what the heck is it then >.>

[split mortar]

Its like
The garden of eden or some shit idfk

[pulsar ocean]

its just heaven or wherever the fuck nameless diety lives

[wanton pendant]

It's more so the Garden of Eden or something like that.

[random mulch]

nameless deity's cool hangout spot or smth

[frail hearth]

fuckin nameless' modded farmville save manifested into a pocket dimention

[gritty kraken]

Rogue is an overpowered class

[frail hearth]

Love wins

[random mulch]

yharim is homophobic so he's weak to the gays

[frail hearth]

yeah and big axes and ninjas are cooler than stoick warrior types

[split mortar]

Braelor actually ran the slick cane while fighting yharim

[long bloom]

trur

[wanton pendant]

Gay people are stronger than groomers.

[frail hearth]

TRUE!!!!!

[pulsar ocean]

where was yharon why didnt he help

[wanton pendant]

Busy.

[long bloom]

eeping

[pulsar ocean]

dont they have a mental connection

[long bloom]

not sure

[wanton pendant]

They have a bestie connection that lets Yharim be old.

[pulsar ocean]

"I'm old!"
-Yharim

[frail hearth]

bro had that auric arthritis flare up same day u_u

[long bloom]

what if yharim had auric bones and we consumed yharon's soul

auric springlock from the inside and outside

[frail hearth]

can his soul grow back?

[gritty kraken]

Can you utilize auric with some kind of magnet actually

[wanton pendant]

Yharon's fine.

[pulsar ocean]

what if we asked xeroc politely on how to do the ritual and he replies that he forgot how to do the fucking thing

[long bloom]

not if you eat it

[wanton pendant]

Ask Silva.

[long bloom]

peak

[frail hearth]

i know that's not usually how it works but he's also the rebirth guy and we only ever get fragments from killing him, so like what if it works goofy like

[wanton pendant]

He's fine.

Give him ten years.

[frail hearth]

like a triangle of parmishan cheese except what you grate off grows back eventually

[long bloom]

yeah

not if you ascend though

[gritty kraken]

Thinkin of thanatos 2 but with auric mandibles

[long bloom]

then he's turbo dead

[split mortar]

Draedon doesnt get rejected so yeah probably?

[frail hearth]

why would you ascend? We get rad armor, and he gets to come back in ten years. win win!

[long bloom]

yes he does

[split mortar]

Explain yharims armour

[long bloom]

he says auric is a pain in the ass to work with

[split mortar]

That is draedon machine touching auric

[long bloom]

what's the difference

[split mortar]

Yharims armour isnt rejecting the exo upgrades

[long bloom]

???

[wanton pendant]

Draedon probably has no soul.

If Auric rejection is due to having a soul.

Draedon should be exempt.

[frail hearth]

you need to attune to a dragon to wear auric. Yahron and Yahrim were frame one besties, so all he had to do was forge the armor. However, Yahron fucking hates us. So we had to jerryrig our auric armour with his soul gragments to get it work for us.

[gritty kraken]

maybe auric only reject things with none auric souls

Like the rocks

[long bloom]

we don't even know if rejection involves your soul at all

[split mortar]

It rejects golf balls

[gritty kraken]

I think I’ve seem some stuff about golf tho

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Golf balls have souls.

[long bloom]

true

[split mortar]

It doesnt reject blocks and stuff tho

[vapid zinc]

why does calamitas call the character a child

does this imply the fella killing giantic mech creatures is a child

[wanton pendant]

That's the clone.

Who is insane.

[gritty kraken]

Outdated dialogue or something

[vapid zinc]

sounds accurate

[frail hearth]

she's like 27 and being condisending

[gritty kraken]

Especially on clone (very outdated)

[wanton pendant]

28, and again, the Clone.

[frail hearth]

aw damn right >_>;

i am wildly off my mark today sorry ;u;

[split mortar]

Chat is silva

[long bloom]

no

she's not

[inner pasture]

By the way, where and when will you upload the document to introduce newcomers to the lore? I'm not referring to the official document, but the one some users here are creating.

[cloud ibex]

therefore she does not think

[pulsar ocean]

if you fed xeroc beer sprinkled with auric dust would he implode from the inside

[cloud ibex]

i guess probably

[long bloom]

their mask is auric

so i don't think so

[pulsar ocean]

he brutally murdered a dragon

[cloud ibex]

their mask was auric

[frail hearth]

I forget who was working on it, but prolly when it's done. to my knwoledge there's not an ETA >m<

[cloud ibex]

we don't really know if they still use it

[long bloom]

their mask was still auric though

[pulsar ocean]

was

[long bloom]

true

[wanton pendant]

Hell if I know.

[inner pasture]

Excuse me, what is ETA? I'm Hispanic, I don't know the acronym xd

[frail hearth]

I've basically been scrunging what i can from the wiki, ingame stuff, and like stuff the fandom has made for inspo >u>

[long bloom]

are you helping make it?

[wanton pendant]

Estimated time of arrival.

[pulsar ocean]

you didnt put a .
how could you

[frail hearth]

ETA is an acronym meaning Estimated Time of Arrival. basically we don't know when it'll come out ;u;

[inner pasture]

Thx:3

[split mortar]

When its done
Sadly silksong happened

So

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

That explains a lot.

[split mortar]

Would prob be done by now if not for
Silksong

[inner pasture]

Is Silksong canon in Calamity lore?

[wanton pendant]

No.

[split mortar]

Everyones playing it

[frail hearth]

my calamity backstories are just like a mix of lore I know hasen't been contradicted yet, and a healthy ammount of making shit up @u@

[long bloom]

@wanton pendant

[frail hearth]

It should be

[wanton pendant]

Yes?

[long bloom]

asked question

[wanton pendant]

Ah, you know how it is.

[long bloom]

i do not

[split mortar]

wwg and i are editors on the doc yes

[frail hearth]

it's been canon this whole time it's just happening under like some random rock somewhere. >u>

[long bloom]

true

[frail hearth]

It's just too small cus they're all bugs so we never see it in game XD

[pulsar ocean]

if irl sun and calamity mod sun collided what would happen

[inner pasture]

It makes sense…

[wanton pendant]

Sun wins.

[split mortar]

The calamity sun loses

[long bloom]

how did you become editors?

[frail hearth]

black hole?

[wanton pendant]

Abduction.

[pulsar ocean]

is gorthus featured in the doc

[wanton pendant]

No.

[split mortar]

I matched tyrants neurodivergence idfk

[frail hearth]

or is that just when a star explodes.

[pulsar ocean]

lame doc

[gritty kraken]

Is black hole even real in calami

[wanton pendant]

We got Gloomborf.

[long bloom]

yes

[split mortar]

Ilmeris stuff is waiting for sso to come out

[frail hearth]

do we have scientific president on what happens if you slam two stars togeather???? I kinda hope not tbh @-@

[long bloom]

source: event horizon and sealed singularity

[wanton pendant]

In real life or Calamity?

[frail hearth]

real life

[wanton pendant]

Bad things.

[frail hearth]

well yea but like how bad

[long bloom]

also good things

[wanton pendant]

Very.

[long bloom]

like heavy metals

[pulsar ocean]

how heavy

[wanton pendant]

Heavy metals are poisonous.

Stars are evil!

[frail hearth]

two stars collide and suddenly dragonforce walks out from the collision and plays one last through the fire and the flames while the universe impludes >u>

[wanton pendant]

It wouldn't be that bad.

[split mortar]

The guy abducted me in dms

[long bloom]

ah

[inner pasture]

I love knowing the details. We know that the inhabitants of Azafure had physical characteristics similar to demons, such as horns and ash-colored skin(?

The Ilmerians, half fish, with possibly different variants.

Those who lived in The Vernal Pass, jungle people, what would they have looked like? I think they were very normal, maybe, like Braelor.

[wanton pendant]

You too?

[split mortar]

Yes

[frail hearth]

Jungle residence i beleive are lizardfolk right? like the temple mobs and the witch doctor

[long bloom]

i specifically asked if i could help and he just completely ignored me ;-;

[split mortar]

Rip

[long bloom]

even tho i have the most accurate timeline that exists

[wanton pendant]

Thems the breaks.

[frail hearth]

his loss tbh. you've been invaluable to my own lore questionings

[long bloom]

thank

[split mortar]

Yharim doesnt seem racist enough to the jungle people for them to be lihzahrds

[pulsar ocean]

what is yharim's birthday

[split mortar]

Idk

[inner pasture]

Weren't those lizards from a different jungle population? Like a tribe?

[wanton pendant]

I'M WORKING ON IT!!!

[gritty kraken]

I can’t really take lores from most weapons seriously tbh they tend to have little lore significance or explanations
But yeah those are probably the closest stuffs

[long bloom]

feels like it'd be in november

based on vibes

[frail hearth]

i don't remember >m<;

i'd like to know more about the races in terraria/calamity in general. it'd be kinda cool to make someone who's not a human or goblin :0

[long bloom]

azafurian is technically a separate race

[wanton pendant]

So we got humans, fish, uh..

Azafurians are humans.

Fish are fish.

[long bloom]

yes

so separate race

[wanton pendant]

Glad we can agree fish are fish.

[inner pasture]

I love those details, about how kingdoms, peoples, etc. worked. What they ate, what kind of weapons and armor they made, and stuff like that.

[frail hearth]

so were the demon horns and trollian complexion something granted by calamitas' brimstone affinities?

[wanton pendant]

No.

Also, rude.

[long bloom]

not many people studied brimstone

it was very niche

[wanton pendant]

Azafurians just look like that.

[long bloom]

read this for more info abt brimstone magic
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fxcx1CcR_GZO3rbbiE3aIuI_-M8uhOKcmPdTkJExuiM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[frail hearth]

Homestuck troll ah

[wanton pendant]

Is that the Christmas dialogue?

[long bloom]

yuh

[wanton pendant]

Ok.

[split mortar]

Has everyone here read embers

[wanton pendant]

I did.

[long bloom]

also yuh

it good

[frail hearth]

I have not :0

[long bloom]

what are those other 6

[frail hearth]

required reading?

[split mortar]

Premise of the other side stories cei has planned

[long bloom]

oh nice

[wanton pendant]

No, unless you want to know the secret lore.

[long bloom]

not required

[frail hearth]

oh you KNOW i do 0w0

[wanton pendant]

Like why Providence is so evil.

[long bloom]

embers is a story of "what if providence won"

[split mortar]

Embers is a side story what if providence won

[long bloom]

snail

[split mortar]

Your skin is forfeit

[wanton pendant]

Ironic.

[long bloom]

i don't have skin

[frail hearth]

me when i forget my sunscreen in winter (i am god's palest creature)

[long bloom]

i'm a swarm of bees

[inner pasture]

:0

[frail hearth]

bees have skin don't they?

or is there an exo skeleton under all that fuzz?

[wanton pendant]

A lot more information on world building is expected for SSO.

[long bloom]

i'm so fuckin hyped for moonlord bestiary

[split mortar]

Same

[frail hearth]

yeyea that's why it's taking a moderate amount of time ;u;

[long bloom]

idk what'll be in it but apparently it's super important

[split mortar]

Makes sense

[wanton pendant]

'This stupid looking space squid likes to eat lizards. Smells bad.'

[pulsar ocean]

"Moon lord, ancient enemy of the auric dragons." end of bestiary

[wanton pendant]

Manwritingwithfire.gif

[frail hearth]

i wanna see what they come up with for his forces. i remember forever ago a video of someone making up lore for how the moonlord got each pillar's forces to ally with him and i'm excited to see if calamity goes in a similar direction :0

[split mortar]

The pillars did help ml invade the dragons according to a dev statement
So
Possible

[wanton pendant]

I did once pose a question about that.

Are the Pillars constructed by Fovos, or another lifeform(s) allying with him?

[frail hearth]

we don't know that yet. at least not publically

[split mortar]

You speak like you know

[frail hearth]

I don't ;y;

[wanton pendant]

That's what I thought.

[frail hearth]

im making a guess cus i haven't been able to dig up much on them in my various scowerings about the pillars and moonlord in this mod >m<

just that he was some powerful dude and the pillars are his like first wave of invading forces before he gets upset at us for farming them and comes down to kill us so we stop doing that

[wanton pendant]

He also got beaten up by three thousand dragons.

[frail hearth]

his fault for fucking with dragons tbh

that's like rule one of fantasy lore DO NOT fuck with the dragons.

fastest way to die that.

[cloud ibex]

to be fair they couldn't actually kill him

[split mortar]

Moonlord outlived almost all dragons

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord should have asked his friend Squid Ward to help.

[split mortar]

The dragons and moonlord both got fucked up

[cloud ibex]

like yeah sure he got absolutely brutalized but he also killed a hell of a lot of them, nearly including the strongest of them all

[pulsar ocean]

whats yharon's birthday

[wanton pendant]

I'M WORKING ON IT!?!?!?!

[cloud ibex]

and then he got put in gay baby moon jail for 800 years and he's STILL an absolute beast

[wanton pendant]

Longer, even.

[split mortar]

Moonlord the goat

[wanton pendant]

Second strongest in the canon and got beaten up by tiny little lizards.

[cloud ibex]

i have a soft spot for characters that are absolute forces of destruction

[pulsar ocean]

im hoping you are

[frail hearth]

moonlord's always hibe'd my jeebees tbh. i get squirmy when i remember his mcfucking internal organs are going commando ;0;

[wanton pendant]

Don't say that.

[frail hearth]

IF I HABVE TO THINK IT SO DO YOU >:U

WORST BOSS EVER

also i hate his stupid laser move of stupidness >:c

[wanton pendant]

It's attracted to stupidness. So it homes in on stupid.

[frail hearth]

then why dosen't he laser his OWN damn heart then? leaving us to do all the damn work

[wanton pendant]

His heart has no brain. Thus, it isn't stupid.

[frail hearth]

wait fuck that's fact >_>

and we already killed the brain 20 bosses go so it's not like he can kill it a second time @_@

[wanton pendant]

Do you think Santa visits the Dragon's Aerie every year to give Yharim and Yharon coal?

[distant smelt]

Dc santa is now canon to calamity

[odd magnet]

What was goozma?

Like the original goozma not the add on

What were the bits and bobs for them?

[split mortar]

Slime god but absorbed every slime on the world i think?

[long bloom]

yeah

literally just exactly that

[odd magnet]

There was really nothing more?

[long bloom]

nope

[odd magnet]

Just very high concentrated sludge?

Would slimes go extinct if they had been defeated?

[long bloom]

idk probably

[wanton pendant]

Do you think each god has a unique effect if you eat their essence?

[split mortar]

Probably

[inner pasture]

I wonder what would happen if someone absorbed 2 dragon essences.

[wanton pendant]

Bad things.

You'd probably be unrecognisably warped.

Even worse if it were three Auric Souls.

That would, in essence, turn you into Polterghast.

[split mortar]

Your soul would be 1/3 of the influence on your existence

So

Bad

[inner pasture]

A boss like that would be interesting…

Polterghast are the spirits of the victims of the Crusade, right? Like, they used the dungeon as a dumping ground.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

Polterghast is hundreds, thousands even of mortal souls.

Which should give you an idea of the power of Auric Souls if only three produce a similar result.

Well, they'd be Godly Souls at that point.

Which explains the instability.

[inner pasture]

Incredible. As for the Dark Sun fragments and the other two essences from the Moon events, is that canon? Or just a sort of, I don't know, placeholder to fill in the gaps in the progression?

[wanton pendant]

Placeholder.

At least, the seasonal ones are.

Not sure about Darksun Fragments.

[pulsar ocean]

was there a god of time did dio exist in cal verse

[wanton pendant]

No, as far as I'm aware.

Britain mercifully isn't real.

[split mortar]

Shakidou could have been the god of time but space was less fucked up implications

Then shakidou got turned into emptiness

So i dont think there can be a god of time now

[wanton pendant]

And DIO wasn't a god, no matter how much grand standing he did.

[pulsar ocean]

lame

[pulsar ocean]

Dio is just stupid he could've spammed time stop to slime jotaro out

[wanton pendant]

It has a cooldown.

[pulsar ocean]

Part 6 jotaro had a ts CD of a literally a couple of seconds it'd be obviously lower for a vampire

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but by then Jotaro had years of experience, not a month.

And being a vampire might not have influenced his Stand.

[pulsar ocean]

it influenced everything else so I don't see why it couldn't influence the soul

[wanton pendant]

You see, DIO always had a black heart, in that way being a vampire didn't change him one bit.

[cloud ibex]

not that we know of