the elementals would probably be smaller then the grains of sand
#lore-discussion
twilit aspen
feral skiff
that knight looking thing jumped me in the caves and i got really scared
split mortar
Granite elementals are prob split off from the same source as sand elementals iirc
wanton pendant
The 'Earth Elemental' is an attempt to recreate Brimstone Elemental by Azafurians.
The real Earth Elemental is Sand Elemental and Granite Elemental.
Technically, Ice Elementals are also probably part of Anahita.
But beating her probably left her in a weakened state so it'll be a long time before she's a threat to anyone again.
twilit aspen
these guys from the meteor are NOT elementals they’re just living meteor
split mortar
Technically, Ice Elementals are also probably part of Anahita.
It was confirmed granite and ice are true elementals so yeah prob
wanton pendant
these guys from the meteor are NOT elementals they’re just living meteor
They are alive because they are alive.
split mortar
these guys from the meteor are NOT elementals they’re just living meteor
Those arent said to be elementals afaik??
Literally just weird space guys
twilit aspen
living space rock
wanton pendant
We don't know if Elementals extend to beyond Terraria.
Like, does Silva survive if Astrum Deus remain alive?
Do other planets existing keep Earth Elemental alive?
split mortar
Considering every time i can remember of a writer talking about how to kill a elemental its always in relation to the world i dont think their dominion spreads far off the world onto other planets
light linden
elementals are immortal as long as their domain still exists
split mortar
Hello thunder
light linden
e.g. sand elemental will come back from death as long as there's a grain of sand left
hi melon gun
light linden
ngl
split mortar
Basically most solid matter on the planet prob keeps sand alive
light linden
I don't get how the cloud elemental and water elemental co exist
wanton pendant
The better question then becomes did other planets have their own Elementals.
wanton pendant
I don't get how the cloud elemental and water elemental co exist
Cloud is air.
light linden
clouds are literally just water
wanton pendant
Air just pulling evaporated water together.
To get a physical form.
Brimstone Elemental is covered in rocks.
Doesn't make her the Earth Elemental.
visual flame
Random realization I had: the exo mechs could be seen as analogous to the four horsemen of the apocalypse
wanton pendant
Random realization I had: the exo mechs could be seen as analogous to the four h...
I... no?
Which one would be famine?
split mortar
I don't get how the cloud elemental and water elemental co exist
I think whatever causes elementals to exist doesnt account for detail that deep like clouds being water
-# or because people percieve them as air related they are air related like slimes and gluttony
wanton pendant
Or pestilence?
visual flame
Artemis and Apollo
wanton pendant
Death is easy, Thanatos.
light linden
same with war
wanton pendant
I don't see how Artemis and Apollo are Famine and Pestilence.
light linden
ares is war
split mortar
Yeah true
visual flame
Well it kinda depends which one is apollo, green or yellow
split mortar
How would artemis or apollo go to famine or war
Not war
Pestilence
pliant ruin
ares is war because I Mean
pliant ruin
Thanatos is death because I Mean
split mortar
Well it kinda depends which one is apollo, green or yellow
Apollo is green and has fire that rival scal
light linden
also
wanton pendant
God of Death.
pliant ruin
then Artemis and Apollo uhhhhhhhhh
split mortar
Artemis is the orange
wanton pendant
PBG is pestilence.
light linden
iirc conquest and pestilence are interchangeable
visual flame
If apollo is yellow then he can be pestilence because he’s god of medicine and artemis is famine mostly because of thr mouth on the boss
split mortar
Conquest is just like
War but again
No
split mortar
If apollo is yellow then he can be pestilence because he’s god of medicine and a...
Apollo is green
pliant ruin
thats just straight up true
wanton pendant
If apollo is yellow then he can be pestilence because he’s god of medicine and a...
God of medicine is the opposite of pestilence.
pliant ruin
dependng on the interpretation you sometimes get conquest instead of pestilence
light linden
Conquest is just like
War but again
No
it doesn't make any sense but iirc in the original text it is conquest
wanton pendant
Conquest and War are slightly different.
light linden
and not pestilence
visual flame
I guess as a huntress that could tie into famine (overhunting)
wanton pendant
Hey, in one interpretation it was Jesus Christ.
visual flame
There I made it work
twilit aspen
do yall think DoG is more of an evanescence bring me to life kinda worm or an imagine dragons radioactive kinda worm
pliant ruin
i know this because in chainsaw man the four horsemen are control, war, death and famine
wanton pendant
do yall think DoG is more of an evanescence bring me to life kinda worm or an im...
Not edgy enough.
visual flame
do yall think DoG is more of an evanescence bring me to life kinda worm or an im...
Evanescence
split mortar
do yall think DoG is more of an evanescence bring me to life kinda worm or an im...
DoG would call people words while playing call of duty
wanton pendant
I don't think your theory really holds up, especially since they're already themed after Greek gods.
visual flame
Scoog listens to imagine dragons though
pliant ruin
dont say that
wanton pendant
Don't say that.
leaden bridge
Yharim secretly absorbed the auric soul of conquest
he ate the soul in his sleep
Like a spider
wanton pendant
No he wouldn't.
leaden bridge
So sad!
twilit aspen
remember
frosty charm
is xeroc's symbol normally red (like it is in boss rush thing) or is he just evil scary mode
leaden bridge
He's just in evil scary mode it's normally yellow
frosty charm
ok
thick slate
And wouldn't that have made the God of War?
john kratos
distant smelt
no he turned into the god of genocides
I thought yharim hated gods
hoary cape
he does
north root
conquest war famine death are the original horsemen
once conquest gradually became less relevant and pestilence became more relevant they removed conquest and replaced it with pestilence
apollo could represent pestilence given how he is also the god blamed for most plagues
the only one that really doesn't fit would be famine then
distant smelt
he does
(The joke is that yharim is the god of genocide)
OH SHIT THATS WHAT THEY SAID I DIDNT EVEN SCROLL UP TO MAKE THAT JOKE LMAO
long bloom
is xeroc's symbol normally red (like it is in boss rush thing) or is he just evi...
it'll be white/yellow in sso iirc
frosty charm
alr
frosty charm
How did cal's siblings die in the new lore
woeful hatch
How did cal's siblings die in the new lore
I believe burned in the clash between calamitas and brimmy that incinerated azafure?
frosty charm
ah alright
feral skiff
I believe burned in the clash between calamitas and brimmy that incinerated azaf...
If Calamitas lost, would the Brimstone Elemental take her place as the final boss?
long bloom
If Calamitas lost, would the Brimstone Elemental take her place as the final bos...
no
brimmy wouldn't be that much stronger than she is now
woeful hatch
If Calamitas lost, would the Brimstone Elemental take her place as the final bos...
Well she wouldn't steal her power so no
strong notch
If Calamitas lost, would the Brimstone Elemental take her place as the final bos...
Why would she?
feral skiff
Why would she?
i don’t know
split mortar
Brimmy would just stay in azafures remains but now a post ml boss and not early hardmode
sleek halo
Of course it’s you
I was about to be like
“Who is named LEA CHANNEL”
😭
Then realized. it could only be one person
split mortar
Why me and not deltaw
sleek halo
because i’ve seen u say it morr
anyways, what has been happening here
never check this server anymore
split mortar
never check this server anymore
Mainly rot and not much else
split mortar
Waterwraith made a theory that yharim fought xeroc recently
Cheese theorised something about stormweaver iirc
split mortar
Cheese theorised something about stormweaver iirc
Dont remember what cause that was a good bit ago
@pliant ruin what was it
sleek halo
Sunken sea overhaul will bring so much to the lore economy.
split mortar
True
sleek halo
We’re in debt rn
it’s devastating.
who tf is named goupert funkerdinckle.
that’s a fire name
split mortar
Dont worry about it
cloud ibex
<@1039460813490102293> what was it
something something DoG is afraid of SW because it has similar powers to him which conflicts with his purpose
or something along those lines
don't remember exactly
cloud ibex
that’s a fire name
thank you i came up with it myself
split mortar
Oh and potential power absorption cause stormweaver lacks a noxus to take it (stormweaver eats wyverns and has lightning and sky based powers in general)
sleek halo
don’t let bro get any god essence
split mortar
Other then that i cant really say i know much else of interest
We were cryptic to waterwraith for like a day or two before the guy got assimilated
cloud ibex
_ _
limpid saddle
bored in the study so did a calclone doodle, how are we lore chat
split mortar
bored in the study so did a calclone doodle, how are we lore chat
Aster appeared for a bit
pulsar ocean
Calamity doesn't have lore
grave sandal
lore? what is lore? never heard of her
split mortar
Calamity doesn't have lore
eel pit upon thee
pulsar ocean
What if the entire calamity mod lore is the terrarian on their deathbed in a hospital
We could call this
The sleep theory
grave sandal
what if the calamity were the friends we made along the way
split mortar
When is the lea channel coming to calmain btw
long bloom
when sso drops
split mortar
Its coming september to october!!
pulsar ocean
Its coming september to october!!
Are you sure
queen moon
Gm gang
What is the power scale on calamity?
I mean, who are the strongest people on the lore, and in which order
split mortar
Xeroc
Prime moonlord
Noxus
Yharim
Jared
Scal/exos
yharon
DoG
Old duke
Polterghast
Strongest to weakest
queen moon
Thank you
So moonlord's prime was he before he got kicked out by the dryads or this doesn't even happened on the cal lore?
cloud ibex
nah
queen moon
cloud ibex
in cal lore prime moon lord was when he first attacked Terraria (the planet) some eight centuries ago
he nuked half the dragons, mortally wounded the strongest of them all, got brutalized and then got sealed away on the moon
queen moon
Cool
The dragons are able to reproduce or something?
Or they are just born and thats it
No more
cloud ibex
well
the auric dragons had the ability to be reborn thanks to Yharon, but something about ML allowed him to disrupt that rebirth
thick slate
moonlord aura farm
cloud ibex
normally if a dragon was killed they'd just come back a bit later, but whatever ML did meant that Zeratros was about to die permanently
split mortar
Auric dragons can have children but their children would be normal dragons classified as draconic offshoots
grave sandal
yeah we saw that in the wyrms and fishrons
grave sandal
damn dragons got game
cloud ibex
i mean there were a Lot of them
split mortar
And they were around for thousands of years
thick slate
not that many
grave sandal
so could all dragons be rebirthed or just yharon?
split mortar
Yharon rebirthed the others
cloud ibex
yeag
queen moon
Isnt the folly a failed copy of yharon, i mean, akato is cannon so he can be considered yharon's child?
cloud ibex
akato is not canon and follies aren't yharon clones
split mortar
And folly stuff you said old lore
cloud ibex
follies now i believe are just draconic offshoots
split mortar
Yeah
queen moon
This old lore is pissing me off in so many levels, i cannot stop remembering and mixing everything
grave sandal
sso should remove most remnants of it still in the game iirc
sso?
split mortar
Biggest calamity update in history
grave sandal
oh cool, is that coming soon? and whats considered old lore?
grave sandal
Biggest calamity update in history
omg exciting
split mortar
oh cool, is that coming soon? and whats considered old lore?
We dont know
Hopefully this year
Not guaranteed
cloud ibex
oh cool, is that coming soon? and whats considered old lore?
if it was written before 2023 it was probably old lore
thick slate
chris pratt should be the mister mushroom of calamity
grave sandal
thats too small a role he shud be the guide
thick slate
he should be yharim
grave sandal
real
thick slate
and the terrarian
split mortar
if it was written before 2023 it was probably old lore
A new writing team popped up and started doing their own thing instead of what the current lore was at that time iirc
cloud ibex
yes
queen moon
chris pratt should be the mister mushroom of calamity
Chris pratt shoul play every entity sound on the game
cloud ibex
rather, the old writers left in 2022 so the remaining/new writers took the story in a different direction
grave sandal
i assume most of the up to date still is found in lore items and beastiary?
cloud ibex
cal bestiaries and lore items are up to date
thick slate
i assume most of the up to date still is found in lore items and beastiary?
or just said by the lore writers
cloud ibex
(some) vanilla bestiaries are being changed in sso, npc/boss dialogue is mostly outdated
split mortar
(some) vanilla bestiaries are being changed in sso, npc/boss dialogue is mostly ...
And names of some providence stuff cause she isnt sun related anymore
cloud ibex
that too but the most set in stone lore is things like the bestiary or lore items
grave sandal
And names of some providence stuff cause she isnt sun related anymore
what changed? is some fire dragon stuff?
cloud ibex
she is no longer related to the sun
split mortar
In old lore she was the sun goddess
Thats mow xeroc and she is ash goddess
cloud ibex
she's the goddess of ash (probably (almost definitely but not explicitly confirmed in game yet))
grave sandal
so any ideas what auric soul she nommed?
split mortar
Flame
cloud ibex
flame yes
the gods you fight actually directly state the auric soul they consumed in their bestiary entries
it's kinda sneaky
grave sandal
neat
cloud ibex
well i guess it's not direct but it's hinted at
split mortar
Providence ate flame
Slimegod ate gluttony
Silva ate life
Xeroc ate zeratros
Shakidou ate night
Tyrian ate a unknown dragon
Otonilou ate vetrasyl
Agnus ate death
Cant recall any other gods
grave sandal
who are the last 4 ? not sure i know them
mighty zenith
shakidou and agnus aren't mentioned in-game, agnus was the god that became ravager
cloud ibex
agnus is who Ravager used to be before he got pulped
grave sandal
oh the sacrifice one ?
mighty zenith
well agnus is mentioned but not name-dropped
grave sandal
Tyrian and otonilou are the sunken sea gods
did they rule over the city there? the one scal burned?
split mortar
Understating the destruction she caused but yeah they ruled over ilmeris
prime mauve
Providence ate flame
Slimegod ate gluttony
Silva ate life
Xeroc ate zeratros
Sha...
Hive Mind and Perforators
prime mauve
well agnus is mentioned but not name-dropped
the reason for this is simple:
he didn't have a "name" until right before mango dropped the art
mighty zenith
ye
thick slate
being called mango in this year must be tough
mighty zenith
people be turning numbers into brainrot 💔
queen moon
Yeah
prime mauve
agnus's name isn't actually even a name though
thick slate
people be turning numbers into brainrot 💔
67,,,,
prime mauve
It's a title, his actual name was lost. One of the things sacrificed by his life as a god
thick slate
characters are named like i name my dnd characters
mighty zenith
dnd session someday
prime mauve
I have only had one DND character
I did some minor minmaxing into throwing javelins and it was so peak
cloud ibex
It's a title, his actual name was lost. One of the things sacrificed by his life...
that's interesting
spice torrent
I did some minor minmaxing into throwing javelins and it was so peak
what was your damage?
grave sandal
ive been homebrewing a calamity module for dnd thats been fun
sinful adder
Nice
wanton pendant
Providence being the Goddess of Ash is not explicitly stated in game, but I think she is referred to as such in Embers.
split mortar
Providence being the Goddess of Ash is not explicitly stated in game, but I thin...
Yeah
And like every time a dev says what she is the goddess of
wanton pendant
Also true.
vagrant star
Providence being the Goddess of Ash is not explicitly stated in game, but I thin...
What's embers?
wanton pendant
An alternate future side story where Providence wins.
cloud ibex
(Written by one of the writers for the mod)
So it’s not like
Canon canon
But the way characters are represented is canon
woeful hatch
Where the fuck do I find Embers
wanton pendant
It's been linked a bunch.
cloud ibex
@split mortar you
wanton pendant
Your time has come!
vagrant star
Lag real
cloud ibex
You’re the linker
wanton pendant
Do what you must!
woeful hatch
You're telling me there's like semi-canon calamity fanfics AND I DIDN'T KNOW
wanton pendant
It's alt-future, but they have interesting implications.
And they're making more.
woeful hatch
And they're making more.
Ohohoh
split mortar
wanton pendant
There, the whole list.
woeful hatch
I've read embers
This gives me vibes of the lich in the universe where he manages to kill everything
woeful hatch
The one form adventure time, sorry
split mortar
The one of adventure time
wanton pendant
Oh, the one I was thinking of.
split mortar
One of the most popular lich
limpid saddle
looks cool
thanks
wanton pendant
When's the book report?
feral skiff
might read embers. will all of the other ones be made eventually?
feral skiff
i wish them great success. i need more things to read when i’m bored
grave sandal
thats so cool
imagine a side story of a paladin or guardian of providence that breaks an oath to her or smth
wanton pendant
Divorce arc.
grave sandal
do we know why providence wants to destroy everything? she believes in cleansing through destruction iirc
split mortar
iirc its like super nihilism and belief that life doesnt matter or something
We dont know her past on why she and her guardians have this belief but since she doesnt suicide in embers this belief is probably some excuse for just wanting to end the world idk
icy veldt
IMO it'd be more compelling if Provi wanted to destroy herself as well, after ending the world, since it'd be a reflection of what I'm sure a lot of people were feeling during Yharim's crusade: despair and hopelessness
Just wanting an excuse to end the world is more a reflection of Yharim himself, and we've already got enough of those
wanton pendant
Yeah, but then she'd be a different character.
And Yharim doesn't want to end the world.
icy veldt
Yeah, but then she'd be a different character.
A "different character" how?
icy veldt
And Yharim doesn't want to end the world.
Yeah, obviously. I was referring to the "using excuses to commit atrocities" part
wanton pendant
If her goals and motivations were different, she wouldn't be the same kind of character.
split mortar
Yharim fully believes his ideology so id say providence would reflect him more if she did suicide
icy veldt
Ehhh, I still think "ultimate despair" would be a better characterization for Provi, since it'd reflect what a lot of people were probably feeling during Yharim's crusade
wanton pendant
Providence destroys because she wants to, not because of some noble goal. She only represents her own animosity.
split mortar
Providence lacks commitment to the bit
wanton pendant
She isn't an embodiment of despair, she's just selfish.
cloud ibex
Providence lacks commitment to the bit
True
They both might be using whatever they’ve suffered in the past as an excuse to lash out at the world, but the difference is Yharim is so convinced he’s justified that he’ll allow himself to die by your hands if it means someone picks up the torch
Even if she might not realize it herself, prov doesn’t seem to actually believe everything is suffering and being dead means you’re free of it
If she did she wouldn’t get so pissed at her girlsquad polycule dying
She would just be like “unfortunate but ah well they’re in a better place now” and move on with her life
icy veldt
Huh, yeah that last part is a good point
woeful hatch
If she did she wouldn’t get so pissed at her girlsquad polycule dying
I mean, she could also be pissed because they were helping her
Into completing her goal
icy veldt
I just wanna save her! 
split mortar
Ok but then she has no reason to risk her life if we give her the profaned core
icy veldt
And help her be a normal member of polite society!
cloud ibex
I mean, she could also be pissed because they were helping her
Then I feel like she’d be more frustrated
wanton pendant
If she didn't care, she would have just fled the battle when things went south. Because she cared, she fought to the death.
That's what lets us kill her.
cloud ibex
Rather than getting so irrationally furious that she exposes herself and dies in the process of taking revenge
woeful hatch
Then I feel like she’d be more frustrated
I mean, frustration + big threat you represent and is always getting stronger = she wants to kill you
wanton pendant
Because despite her claims, she does care about her followers.
icy veldt
That's what lets us kill her.
I thought it was because she underestimated our power
split mortar
I mean, frustration + big threat you represent and is always getting stronger =...
Yeah but she isnt just frustrated she is angry
wanton pendant
I thought it was because she underestimated our power
That too.
cloud ibex
I thought it was because she underestimated our power
She might at first
wanton pendant
But again, why wouldn't she just run away like usual?
eager bluff
I mean, frustration + big threat you represent and is always getting stronger =...
yharim is a bigger threat to her and she very much knows she can run from both of us
wanton pendant
Which is the tactic she's known for?
woeful hatch
But again, why wouldn't she just run away like usual?
That's true
cloud ibex
But she sees how strong you are and still decides “this motherfucker is not leaving this place alive”
wanton pendant
She fights to the death because she wants to avenge her guardians, which contradicts her beliefs.
eager bluff
she thinks nothing matters but in practice a lot matters to her
wanton pendant
Basically, she'd rather die than let you get away with it.
woeful hatch
Who'd win the gay fight
Braelor and Statis
Or
Providence's polycule
wanton pendant
Braelor and Statis.
icy veldt
We should have a cliché-ass redemption scene where the Terrarian says "You're better than you think you are!" and Provi's big-pile-of-rocks-form disintegrates into a sobbing humanoid ca-- (my parole officer has instructed me not to finish this sentence)
wanton pendant
Providence is homophobic, so she loses points.
wanton pendant
We should have a cliché-ass redemption scene where the Terrarian says "You're be...
That's right. You won't finish it.
icy veldt
Providence is homophobic, so she loses points.
She's also a lesbian. Does that mean she's scared of herself?
split mortar
We should have a cliché-ass redemption scene where the Terrarian says "You're be...
Im going to invert your eyeballs
woeful hatch
We should have a cliché-ass redemption scene where the Terrarian says "You're be...
Go on
Finish the message
wanton pendant
Don't encourage him.
icy veldt
Go on
Finish the message
Do you really want that?
split mortar
Stop rotting
eager bluff
i think her nihilism isnt a genuine belief at any point. she doesnt believe everybody would be better off dead, but she forces herself to act like she does
split mortar
i think her nihilism isnt a genuine belief at any point. she doesnt *believe* ev...
Yeah
wanton pendant
It's a great excuse to lash out at the world.
grave sandal
It's a great excuse to lash out at the world.
whats her backstory ?
wanton pendant
Something bad happened to her, I think it involved Moon Lord, and she's been mad ever since.
Or I'm misremembering Embers.
eager bluff
i think her nihilism isnt a genuine belief at any point. she doesnt *believe* ev...
she probably has a whole lot of internal issues that she never learned how to deal with in a healthy manner leading to her lashing out like that
split mortar
Something bad happened to her, I think it involved Moon Lord, and she's been mad...
Id have thought it flame dragon since she slew it righteously
split mortar
Id have thought it flame dragon since she slew it righteously
Not moonlord
wanton pendant
Flame Dragon deserved it.
split mortar
Yes
grave sandal
what did flame dragon do ?
grave sandal
yur
wanton pendant
'How it rampaged across the land after slaying the one who freed it, the day the world She cared for died seemingly playing out once more.'
This is the line I was thinking of.
Implies she doesn't like Moon Lord for historical reasons.
split mortar
She is a god so could have probably lived in that time
wanton pendant
'It was only when Her comrades were gone that She realized the cosmic behemoth had taken everything She cared about from Her, not once, but twice.'
This line too.
Pretty good argument that she doesn't like Moon Lord.
split mortar
Oh damn
wanton pendant
Can't believe #1 Embers fan forgot about this implication.
split mortar
Can't believe #1 Embers fan forgot about this implication.
When did i claim being #1 embers fan
wanton pendant
Process of elimination.
grave sandal
is there any other good source material outside the game itself that has some cool lore?
split mortar
Embers and thats about it afaik
wanton pendant
Just Embers.
split mortar
Profaned commander vs 9 year old child
fleet wedge
"Eat the brooms" - That frog from Adventure Time
split mortar
Is it public info what tyrian ate to get the seas domain
fallen kindle
what
split mortar
Wha
fallen kindle
watt hour
young socket
Is it public info what tyrian ate to get the seas domain
no
split mortar
rip
split mortar
Pokeverse doesnt know what the squid is a reference to 💔
-# its calamari, a OC of rebecca
prime mauve
what was your damage?
All I remember is I was level 5 and that I could basically hotswap weapons like nothing else, because I could throw a javelin as part of my move to draw it. I could throw two javelins, attack twice with a sword, or any combination of those in any order with no real prep time
And I think I had a good like 7-10 javelins
I know I got a picture of the character sheet somewhere
woeful hatch
All I remember is I was level 5 and that I could basically hotswap weapons like ...
Ah, level 5 martials getting to attack twice
Would you find it funny to know that throwing spears is one of the best martial setups in baldur's gate 3 too
prime mauve
despite building into javelin throwing which seemed entirely like a sort of meme strategy I ended up being the most versatile and one of the strongest people in our one-shot campaign
woeful hatch
despite building into javelin throwing which seemed entirely like a sort of meme...
Tavern brawler is an insanely powerful feat
prime mauve
the DM also said he had never seen a character that played anything like it which was cool
woeful hatch
Tavern brawler is an insanely powerful feat
Wait fuck Is tavern brawler boosting throw attacks a BG3 homebrew
prime mauve
also the DM totally let me count as an arcane archer with my javelins because it sounded cool and my strategy didn't seem like it was actually going to be super good
pulsar ocean
Are you gonna add the ogscule
prime mauve
I didn't use the arcane shot much but the one or two times I did I would have completely obliterated the enemy in one shot even without it lol
fleet wedge
John Terraria and Jane Terraria 
wanton pendant
It's Terra and Ria, obviously.
icy veldt
The terrorist?!
split mortar
chat is the infection from hollowknight like just straight up better then the astral infection at infecting things
icy veldt
If it spreads through any terrain, then yes. Automatically. The Astral Infection doesn't spread through the world at all
wanton pendant
Astral Infection more like Fraudstral Infection.
pliant ruin
chat is the infection from hollowknight like just straight up better then the as...
i mean yeah
infection from hollow knight is just better than any of the calamity infections
glass snow
The astral infection... I heard about it [Heya, Im new btw]
split mortar
hello
pliant ruin
Dont remember what cause that was a good bit ago
Weaver lore item implying that Devourer is actually unnerved by Weaver's existence due to their "similar powers"
glass snow
Hi
pliant ruin
infection from hollow knight is just better than any of the calamity infections
Any of the calamity mod infections can be disposed of through things like DoG and WoF + You can put physical barriers to slow down their spread
There is literally no way of containing the HK infection besides killing radiance
You could seal her away with the same sort of insane plan PK had, but ultimately it's fail unless you sealed it inside of an actually completely mindless living being or w/e
split mortar
how far would the infection get in calamity then
pliant ruin
i mean ngl unless the dream nail is a thing i think it'd be kinda unstoppable
IF the dream nail is a thing though
then killing radiance probably would be completely doable by a few characters
woeful hatch
chat is the infection from hollowknight like just straight up better then the as...
I'd say, yes it's better at infecting things, but the things made by the astral infection are way deadlier
thick slate
I'd say, yes it's better at infecting things, but the things made by the astral ...
quantity over quality baby
id like to see astrum deus take on everything
woeful hatch
unavoidable
Well, you CAN resist it I believe
thick slate
if ur really strong willed
woeful hatch
or any of the mantises
Well for that there's traitor lord and its followers
thick slate
yea but they succumbed to it on purpose
woeful hatch
id like to see astrum deus take on everything
Just chuck an astral infection meteor at hallownest
thick slate
hallownest tanks it ez pz
woeful hatch
Yeah but there's plenty of stuff to convert into astral infection
I would want to see AUREUS tackle it
hoary cape
Aureus will be walking around unharmed for a bit
According to the changelogs I believe
Or at least future plans
I can't remember
wanton pendant
I read about that in the future plans.
So, did Silva make Braelor's stuff BEFORE being thrown into the Abyss?
Since that makes me wonder exactly when she was chucked in there.
split mortar
she couldnt have made it in the abyss so yeah
wanton pendant
Since Braelor doesn't seem to be all that old.
And I'd presume he had already established himself and Silva didn't give a random kid equipment.
Do we know if Silva made Braelor's stuff for him specifically?
Do we know if Anahita migrating to the ocean was caused by Silva's first or second Abyssal imprisonment?
(Assuming there are no secret imprisonments in between, because I like to think she did anything other than get chucked into the ocean.)
split mortar
Do we know if Silva made Braelor's stuff for him specifically?
i feel like there is stuff said of it but i cant find it said in this channel so ima guess voices happened or it was said in a different server
split mortar
Do we know if Anahita migrating to the ocean was caused by Silva's first or seco...
who knows
wanton pendant
I wonder if there will be a lore reason for Anahita and Silva having unique names.
wanton pendant
Was Silva's first imprisonment from before she became a goddess?
I remember a dev saying that it was before year 0.
Where there were no gods at all.
icy veldt
Maybe all of the elementals have unique names, but we only know some of them?
wanton pendant
Not unreasonable.
thick slate
dirt elemental
wanton pendant
Better question is why is Anahita's name known.
icy veldt
Maybe she was worshipped by some influential cult or group in the past, and so the name stuck, while the other elementals' cults didn't last as long or have as much cultural impact
wanton pendant
Anahita lived in the Abyss, and Abyssal creatures have had cults about them, so that's not unfounded.
icy veldt
Would Tyrian have had a friendship or a rivalry with Anahita?
wanton pendant
I feel like it would be rivalry.
Since Tyrian was supposed to have been benevolent.
icy veldt
I think so too
wanton pendant
Brimstone Elemental has a large following, but as far as I'm aware she's only otherwise called their matron.
fleet wedge
-# its calamari, a OC of rebecca
The nefarious Yharim Squid
split mortar
yharim vs nebbie
wanton pendant
Not the Pokémon I take it.
split mortar
vagueposting rp again
pliant ruin
yharim vs nebbie
nebbie can win if she kills herself
goat washed
twilit aspen
bluetooth elemental
ivory sundial
twilit aspen
wait so if during the draconic era most humans lived underground while the dragons were on the surface could we assume that the underground cabins are from humans back then
split mortar
Yes
twilit aspen
that’s neat
queen moon
Genius connections the lore writers did there
wanton pendant
Presumably there were other underground civilizations and hell based ones, but they're probably all collapsed or off screen.
Same with above ground, collapsed or off screen.
Regardless, the Heartlands was the epicentre of the Crusade, so much in the area has been reduced to rubble. I think future versions intend on implementing said rubble.
icy veldt
wait so if during the draconic era most humans lived underground while the drago...
Wait, is this actually true?
Most humans stayed underground, and the dragons enjoyed the surface, during the Draconic Era?
icy veldt
Hmmm
wheat walrus
Most likely
wanton pendant
Why else build a city in hell?
split mortar
We dont know if zeratros had the sun be high blast for dragons or zeratros couldnt turn the sun down as much
split mortar
icy veldt
Doesn't really sound all that benevolent to me, hmmmm 
split mortar
We dont know if zeratros had the sun be high blast for dragons or zeratros could...
^
We dunno the context other then when after xeroc ascended the sun got less bright
icy veldt
Wait, what about Chrysadia? How did its inhabitants withstand the harsher sun?
wanton pendant
Wait, what about Chrysadia? How did its inhabitants withstand the harsher sun?
Dragon of Storms or something could just put clouds in the way.
Was he Storms?
Vetrasyl? Give me a second.
long bloom
yeah
wanton pendant
Yeah, Vetrasyl, the Dragon of Storms.
pliant ruin
Vetrasyl made Chrysadia for The People and given he was john storms he probably put clouds above it to cover them from the harsh sun
wanton pendant
Exactly what I was thinking. Why didn't he put clouds in the way so Moon Lord couldn't see Terraria? Is he stupid?
north root
Exactly what I was thinking. Why didn't he put clouds in the way so Moon Lord co...
he tried to, unfortunately with the invention of the Calamity Fan that ended up just blowing all of the clouds away
cosmic zenith
Vetrasyl made Chrysadia for The People and given he was john storms he probably ...
He didn't do so all the time
Because, surprise! That's not how the water cycle works
Surface denizens usually wore protective robes and masks
lunar island
the feathers of the dragonfolly evidently contain some form of mystical energy/mysterious properties, could this potentially mean that they do contain potentially even tiny slivers of the original auric souls of the dragons?
kind of like how the player doesnt actualy get yharons soul but fragments of it.
cosmic zenith
No Auric souls, the player getting Yharon soul fragments is highly exceptional and unnatural
But they do have leftover magic from their ancestors
split mortar
Also you dont need auric soul stuff to have wacky stuff
frosty charm
Because, surprise! That's not how the water cycle works
the dragon of precipitation
wanton pendant
Dragon of Creating Water From Literally Nothing helped him.
frosty charm
true
wanton pendant
But 'all the time' is interesting phrasing.
As it means he did it some of the time.
frosty charm
the feathers of the dragonfolly evidently contain some form of mystical energy/m...
nah, but they are conductive i think
lunar island
i mean. i know that the way boss summons work isnt really lore. but is there a reason that you need the feathers for Yharons summon?
wanton pendant
Because dragon ancestry. Also holdover from Old Lore.
(Specifically, in the Old Lore, Dragonfolly, formerly Bumble Birb, was a failed clone of Yharon, so there's a connection. That has since been retconned, along with most of the Old Lore.)
wanton pendant
I don't get it.
frosty charm
is there any reason jared hates the rod of discord
long bloom
is there any reason jared hates the rod of discord
RoD uses primordial light or something
it's a dumb explanation
wanton pendant
Wyrm hates Primordial Light.
Probably still upset over Zeratros.
Like come on bro, that was 850 years ago.
Get over it.
lunar island
originally i thought it was just anticheese to make the void scarier/harder to navigate
wanton pendant
That's the gameplay reason.
long bloom
and to prevent you from just tping in from the side, yanking the terminus and dipping
pulsar ocean
What if there was a dragon of stubbing your toe
icy veldt
Least evil dragon:
frosty charm
and to prevent you from just tping in from the side, yanking the terminus and di...
i feel like if they wanted to use primordial light for the rod they could just make it that like; the abyss is so dark that no light can reach there.
probably more of a stretch but iunno
wanton pendant
Wyrm can tell between fake Primordial Light and real Primordial Light.
pulsar ocean
Wyrm can tell between fake Primordial Light and real Primordial Light.
can it tho
wanton pendant
can it tho
Yes.
wanton pendant
Go into the Abyss wearing Solar Armour.
pulsar ocean
Isn't that real primordial light
wanton pendant
No, it's counterfeit I think.
pulsar ocean
No, it's counterfeit I think.
isn't the daybroken debuff directly applied by primordial light and it's based off the daybreak weapon which is made out of solar frags the same thing the armor is made of
wanton pendant
Yeah, but it's fake Primordial Light, not the good stuff.
pulsar ocean
What's the difference
wanton pendant
You see, the fake stuff is fake and not a strong.
wanton pendant
If it were real, Solar Armour would be quite a bit stronger than its peers.
Well, it may not be 'fake' per say, but it's certainly not the regular stuff.
pulsar ocean
Well, it may not be 'fake' per say, but it's certainly not the regular stuff.
Why don't we extract the real light from the RoD to make the best gear in the game
Are we stupid
wanton pendant
Well, we don't know how, so yes, we, the Terrarian, who is you, is stupid.
Are they stupid?
wanton pendant
I mean, have you seen the pain in Draedon's dialogue when you bring of the mechs?
north root
solar fragments are specifically the phenomenon of solar flares and not the sun itself
so that might. be an explanation?
wanton pendant
No, you're thinking of real life.
Calamity has a magic sun.
Made of Primordial Light.
And the pillars are from the Moon Lord.
north root
therefore solar fragments wouldnt represent the primordial light
thats what i was saying
wanton pendant
What reason do you have to believe that Calamity Solar Fragments are solar flares given form?
long bloom
a dev has explicitly stated solar fragments to be primordial light
north root
they should buff solar armor then
wanton pendant
But it's not the good stuff.
north root
i feel like armor made out of primordial light should be at least as powerful as armor made out of. tree bark
but what do i nose
long bloom
fossilized tree bark*
north root
oh wait it's old tree bark sorry
at least as old as permafrost presumably
must've taken trillions of years to form
pliant ruin
uelibloom is being killed so don't worry about it
It's being turned into like. a profaned guardian armorset or something. or well replacded by
wanton pendant
Yay!
long bloom
🎉
north root
i was gonna say i love uelibloom but then i failed to spell it correctly twenty times
please remove
long bloom
lmao
pulsar ocean
Do you still go blind if you look at the sun for long in clamity
wanton pendant
Probably.
It also may or may not cause cancer by being exposed to it.
The devs refuse to elaborate.
warm cape
??? What do you MEAN cause cancer
pulsar ocean
It also may or may not cause cancer by being exposed to it.
Why doesnt everyone have cancer
warm cape
Did i appear at an unfortunate time cs wdym cancer in calamity
wanton pendant
When asked, they said that they keep Primordial Light intentionally vague.
wanton pendant
Did i appear at an unfortunate time cs wdym cancer in calamity
So, the sun.
In Calamity, it's magic.
Doesn't emit normal light, it emits Primordial Light.
pulsar ocean
Why is it cancerous
wanton pendant
We don't know if that also means it still causes cancer, like normal sunlight.
Since Primordial Light is magic.
So it might not.
long bloom
Why is it cancerous
the earth sun is already cancerous
wanton pendant
But it also might.
pulsar ocean
Would you rather eat asbestos or eat primordial light
wanton pendant
Primordial Light, since it only might cause cancer, while asbestos does cause cancer.
north root
idk Carcinogen is pretty cool so i'd choose the asbestos
wanton pendant
Yeah, but Xeroc's chill.
north root
Primordial Light, since it only might cause cancer, while asbestos does cause ca...
what if xeroc doesn't like you though, then he will kill you
wanton pendant
So I don't think they'd go giving people super cancer.
wanton pendant
what if xeroc doesn't like you though, then he will kill you
He's busy. With God Taxes.
long bloom
cease.
north root
did they not kill the dragon of taxes yet
wanton pendant
did they not kill the dragon of taxes yet
Oh, they got him.
God of Bureaucracy was annoying.
warm cape
What about god of cancer should we be worried
wanton pendant
What about god of cancer should we be worried
Yharim probably got him too.
north root
no they got cancer and dies
warm cape
makes sense
warm cape
And other miscellaneous gods.
Like the god of cancer
long bloom
including cancer 
north root
God of Bureaucracy was annoying.
ever wondered why yharim says he never does his taxes, and yet he's not in prison for tax evasion? probably because he's the jugnle tyrante actually nevermind
warm cape
Amirite
north root
okay but whose corpse is the hallow
warm cape
Mine
wanton pendant
okay but whose corpse is the hallow
Unknown.
long bloom
completely unknown
north root
completely unknown
hows it unknown he literally just admitted to it
north root
it's in the lore
long bloom
yeah
warm cape
I didnt see any of it doe
wanton pendant
also how do we know what gods yharim killed
He killed most of them.
long bloom
and writers talking here
long bloom
I didnt see any of it doe
long bloom
the game and writers talking here
wanton pendant
There are 10 confirmed gods.
long bloom
read the lore
warm cape
read the lore
Ive read uhh the lore that drop from bosses
And the dialogue they say during fights too
long bloom
good start
wanton pendant
So, do you want the list, I have it here?
warm cape
And the dialogue they say during fights too
Is there more stuff to read or na
wanton pendant
Xeroc, Silva, Otonilou, Tyrian, Providence, Agnus Immolatus, Slime God, Dogma, War, Shakidou.
long bloom
there's also whatever god consumed the soul of frost
so 11
wanton pendant
there's also whatever god consumed the soul of frost
so 11
Literally nothing is known about them to my knowledge... how do you know?
warm cape
Providence yea i got his ahh slime god too
wanton pendant
Providence yea i got his ahh slime god too
*her.
warm cape
Dogma is familiar name
long bloom
Literally nothing is known about them to my knowledge... how do you know?
trongle
wanton pendant
Dogma's not the guys name.
wanton pendant
Yharim got him first.
north root
rip my dog ma
wanton pendant
Yharim got Dogma first.
north root
what was shakidou god of also
long bloom
emptiness
eager bluff
emptiness
wanton pendant
Emptiness.
long bloom
snails
warm cape
Yharim got Dogma first.
I meant agnus❤️
wanton pendant
I meant agnus❤️
No, Dogma was Yharim's first victim... well, victim's a strong word...
north root
who is he in game
warm cape
huh
north root
is he not in game
wanton pendant
Which one?
warm cape
Twin all i know is i killed the ravager
north root
skadikou
wanton pendant
Dead.
wanton pendant
She was.
warm cape
She
wanton pendant
She's alive.
warm cape
SHES ALIVE?
north root
siiva is very hard to kill
warm cape
WHAT ABOUT SILVA REMAINS
wanton pendant
She kinda can't die.
warm cape
Isnt there some stuff like that on loading screen
wanton pendant
She's fine.
north root
she's the god of life there's a few conflicts there
warm cape
Thats peak
wanton pendant
So she can't be killed.
north root
she's colonizing jared's house
wanton pendant
Unless nature ceases to exist.
warm cape
Who jared
wanton pendant
Primordial Wyrm.
eager bluff
not only is she an elemental (i.e. she is intrinsically linked to specific baseline aspects of terraria) shes also the goddess of life (very antithetical to being Dead)
wanton pendant
It's a pet name.
warm cape
Unless nature ceases to exist.
Hey i can probably make that work
warm cape
Primordial Wyrm.
pale king
north root
not only is she an elemental (i.e. she is intrinsically linked to specific basel...
siiva deaf arc
sinful adder
Not nature, all life
wanton pendant
not only is she an elemental (i.e. she is intrinsically linked to specific basel...
The goddes part isn't even related to her not dying thing.
sinful adder
Every living thing would have to stop existing
wanton pendant
At least, on Terraria.
wanton pendant
she a concept incarnated?
She's one of the five Elementals.
north root
Not nature, all life
why wouldn't it just be nature
wanton pendant
Nature kinda is life.
warm cape
She's one of the five Elementals.
Like the accessories i equip when im running summoner?
wanton pendant
Like the accessories i equip when im running summoner?
Yeah.
warm cape
Lol
wanton pendant
That's them. Except Silva.
warm cape
I want silva
wanton pendant
Fire, Water, Air, Earth, Nature.
warm cape
I wanna add her to the collection
eager bluff
why wouldn't it just be nature
no please dont ask its gonna bring another semantics debatew
wanton pendant
Oh, yeah, not again.
long bloom
guys full list of gods and the dragons they ate here
wanton pendant
Wait, it was you last time!
long bloom
true
wanton pendant
Calamitas probably got him.
warm cape
Leviathan
wanton pendant
Yes.
long bloom
no
wanton pendant
Not that one.
eager bluff
not that one no
warm cape
Uhhh
north root
is duke fishron secretly tyrian
long bloom
is duke fishron secretly tyrian
yes
warm cape
Yeah i knew there were more mermaids and fishes
eager bluff
is duke fishron secretly tyrian
yeah
warm cape
But why isnt the one i killed special
wanton pendant
Anahita is not related to Tyrian.
warm cape
😢
wanton pendant
But why isnt the one i killed special
The Water Elemental survives your fight.
north root
if the old duke is tyrian i'm quitting calamity
warm cape
The Water Elemental survives your fight.
Yeah then i add them to my build
long bloom
tyrian dead probably
leaden bridge
if the old duke is tyrian i'm quitting calamity
The old duke is actually yharims dad
north root
he's old and dying and he'll be dead by next update
wanton pendant
Then put back in.
long bloom
he's old and dying and he'll be dead by next update
not next update
warm cape
he's old and dying and he'll be dead by next update
Thank god i hate fighting it
long bloom
that part's true yeah
north root
i only lie 50% of the time
wanton pendant
And this is one of those times.
long bloom
nuh uh
north root
don't be over here causeing paradozes and shit....
north root
no he's a robot
warm cape
Was draedon human once
wanton pendant
Maybe.
north root
he's just a robot
warm cape
Who made him
wanton pendant
Someone.
north root
john wulfrum
long bloom
we dunno
wanton pendant
john wulfrum
Not him.
north root
but probably john wulfrum
eager bluff
Who made him
unknown
warm cape
Not john wulfrum
north root
okay fine jane wulfrum
warm cape
Jake wulfrum
wanton pendant
No!
eager bluff
their child. joseph wulfrum
north root
god dammit this lore is so confusing i quit
warm cape
Sigh
long bloom
wulfrum jones
north root
it was probably miracle boy anyway
wanton pendant
No Wulfrum adjacent person participated in Draedon's birth.
warm cape
Ayin made draedon
long bloom
No Wulfrum adjacent person participated in Draedon's birth.
you don't know that
warm cape
And draedon sees stuff 100x slower
north root
what if the mechanic made draedon
wanton pendant
you don't know that
Were you the midwife or something!?
leaden bridge
Damn schlock's last message was nearly a year ago
long bloom
Were you the midwife or something!?
yes actually
wanton pendant
what if the mechanic made draedon
She's too young.
north root
and then she's just really old
leaden bridge
John Wulfrums creator is gone...... Sad and tragic
north root
She's too young.
permafrost looks like he's 50 but he's actually 20 trillion so...
warm cape
50?
wanton pendant
He's like, 400.
north root
age is kinda weird in town npc sprites
wanton pendant
I'M NOT OLD!
north root
like how the angler looks like an old man but he's actually only 4
leaden bridge
Permafrost doesn't rlly look like he's fifty
long bloom
He's like, 400.
around 500-550
wanton pendant
around 500-550
Can you please give me your source?
warm cape
The angler is atleast 9 dude
wanton pendant
Since it conflicts with mine.
leaden bridge
He looks like a well kept 70 year old at least
north root
The angler is atleast 9 dude
maybe he's like six or seven
warm cape
No 4 year old is fishing im sorry
leaden bridge
Angler is obviously not four
warm cape
maybe he's like six or seven
long bloom
Can you please give me your source?
first what's your source for 400 bc you're literally the only person i've seen say that
leaden bridge
angler is very clearly like 7-10
north root
No 4 year old is fishing im sorry
well that's why he wants you to get him the fish obviously
wanton pendant
first what's your source for 400 bc you're literally the only person i've seen s...
Look up 'Christmas Permafrost' in lore discussion.
warm cape
Look up boys kissing
wanton pendant
Look up boys kissing
Later.
warm cape
✌️
north root
Look up 'Christmas Permafrost' in lore discussion.
i thought you said that was outdated
north root
'Three-hundred and some-odd years later, and... well, I can not and will not take all the credit, but ice magic is certainly not all that uncommon these days!' 'In all of my four-hundred years, I have only encountered a handful of mages who have mastered it.'
warm cape
- She a witch and uses brimstone
- Trained by someone
- Part of yharim army
wanton pendant
1. She a witch and uses brimstone
2. Trained by someone
3. Part of yharim army
Permafrost
long bloom
permafrost was her dad basically
north root
i think we should add all of #lore-discussion into an item in game
warm cape
And WHY he got locked up inside cryogen?
north root
so we can say that all of this is actually in game lore
warm cape
i think we should add all of <#568192082473386020> into an item in game
Dude no
warm cape
Look up boys kissing
Imagine ts ingame
long bloom
And WHY he got locked up inside cryogen?
yharim sent calamitas to kill him after he defected, but she put him inside an ice prison and faked his death instead
wanton pendant
Here, my source.
warm cape
So cute
wanton pendant
And WHY he got locked up inside cryogen?
It was that or kill him.
north root
it's okay he was only in there for like 5 years
wanton pendant
it's okay he was only in there for like 5 years
north root
after living for 15 trillion
are we sure permafrost isn't the ice elemental in disguise i don't think people are supposed to live that long
north root
that's what permafrost wants you to think isn't it
he wants you to think he's 400 so you can ignore the fact that he's over 200 trillion years old
visual kiln
Hiiii
wanton pendant
Hello.
north root
he's been around so long he can't remember if he's 550 or 400
long bloom
Here, my source.
interesting
north root
because he's actually like 100 quadrillion or something i forgot
visual kiln
meow
wanton pendant
Hey, I'm the one who says cryptic things like that!
frosty charm
i wonder if cal will ever reunite with permafrost ingame
tropic oak
long bloom
i think they meant a special interaction or cutscene
that would actually be so hype ngl
pliant ruin
that would be pretty
cool
long bloom
twilit aspen
what exactly is sepulcher
twilit aspen
tomb for who
twilit aspen
little freak
pliant ruin
what exactly is sepulcher
Just a necromantic construct
It's just a bunch of bones fused together to make Worm
theres not much more to it
thick slate
calamitas is so weird bro
limpid saddle
calamitas is so weird bro
in what way
frosty charm
What instrument would Calamitas play
wanton pendant
Church bells.
long bloom
tubular bells*
wanton pendant
Alright, fine, they're pretty gnarly.
split mortar
Go into the Abyss wearing Solar Armour.
Thats not it telling that solar is bad primordial its that solar is twisted from what it knows as primordial light and so doesnt register to stab you
split mortar
necromancy gotta be weirdest kind of magic
Its just recycling
fleet wedge
tubular bells*
Tubular balls*