lore-discussion

[frosty charm]

some things i don't really plan on touching are

• ilmeris (i don't really know how to slot it in as it's mostly a story on the post ml content and the sso isn't out)
• sulphiric sea/abyss (i don't really know what to write for them/why they'd matter)
• astral infection (again i don't know what to write for it specifically)
• the world evils (beyond passing mentions i don't really know what to do with them)

[wanton pendant]

It is entirely possible Astral Infection was a known thing in other places.

[split mortar]

Why would draedon recognize it fully if it just fell

Draedon shrimply hadnt had the time to science yet

[wanton pendant]

If you're adapting the Evil2-Dragonfolly swap, that's a reason.

[frosty charm]

oh they're getting swapped

[visual kiln]

what swaps and tier shifts are happening btw

[frosty charm]

in the story or in general

[wanton pendant]

Clone and Slime God are also a possibility.

[frosty charm]

don't want to talk about myself if it has nothing to do with the question so

[wanton pendant]

Aside from that, I don't know.

[visual kiln]

..? in the game

[split mortar]

Evil2 and folly is almost guaranteed
The ithers are much less likely

[visual kiln]

the mod

[frosty charm]

ah yea

[visual kiln]

what r the others

[frosty charm]

uhh the envoys are getting moved around

[pliant ruin]

evil2 > dragonfolly more or less confirmed

as for what's not confirmed but super likely
slime god > calclone
astrum deus to early post moon lord (same tier as evil2 and guardians)
signus to old duke tier

[frosty charm]

signus is staying pre dog i think but ceaseless is getting moved back

i think?

[wanton pendant]

This, I believe I heard.

[frosty charm]

so is weaver

[heavy zenith]

Yharim talks about it like it happened in the Crusade

[wanton pendant]

Ceaseless I think is going to be made mandatory again. You know, to get into the Distortion.

[visual kiln]

i heard smth about weaver or cv moving too

?

[pliant ruin]

i think cv might be moved to the beggining of post ml

but weaver'll stay where it is iirc?

like post provi

[split mortar]

Weaver staying

[heavy zenith]

"In our world, Astrum Deus is revered as God of the night sky" you can't tell me that's while the Terrarian is awake

[split mortar]

Signus old duke

[pliant ruin]

astrum deus

[frosty charm]

is there anything planned for the sunken sea post ml

[pliant ruin]

not astrum aureus

[wanton pendant]

?

[split mortar]

Deus existed before the infection

[pliant ruin]

nothing public currently, but i do imagine it'll get a bit of content eventually. nothing major though

[frosty charm]

yeah isn't current aureus just

astral rot worm

aureus? deus i mean

[split mortar]

Deus is worm

[pliant ruin]

aureus is the robot

deus is the worm

[wanton pendant]

No, it's an infected robot.

Deus is the space worm.

[pliant ruin]

me when similar names

[heavy zenith]

Yharim says it in past tense is what I'm getting at

[frosty charm]

yeah i realized

[pliant ruin]

yeah because Deus existed before

not Aureus

they're separate

[wanton pendant]

So, it was? It's not a god if that's what you're asking.

[pliant ruin]

Aureus is the robot that Draedon sent to study the infection

[visual kiln]

rename astrum deus

[pliant ruin]

Deus is the space worm that got infected and is the reason the infection is here to begin with

[frosty charm]

new name is astrum worm guy

[pliant ruin]

honestly not opposed to it tbh .......

Its name is not only rly close to astrum aureus which gan get confusing sometimes but
not only is -deus just gramatically wrong but thats more of a pet peeve but also it gets unecessarily confusing on the God stuff sometimes

[wanton pendant]

I know, to Space Weaver!

[pliant ruin]

Like if ppl just read it they'll figure out its not a god

so its not like

a big deal rly

[frosty charm]

you know what name every worm a weaver

[pliant ruin]

But even then its a bit of a pet peeve i have

[wanton pendant]

God Weaver.

Bone Weaver.

[pliant ruin]

i wanna see more on the ppl who worshipped deus tbh

[wanton pendant]

Death Weaver.

[pliant ruin]

give of like

stars druid energy

hermits that wander through the wilderness and life of it while looking at the stars to guide themselves, always thankful for the Dei in the sky for how they keep the night skies and their world safe from impurity

Less of a like religious worship in the style of modern relgiions and more paganism?

[frosty charm]

DoG -> distortion weaver
destroyer -> ground weaver
desert scourge -> sand weaver
aquatic scourge -> water weaver

[wanton pendant]

I kinda imagined that Astrum Deus worship was an ancient religion, from before the actual gods even, and that may be where the term came from. After the gods showed up, Astrum Deus worship may have fallen out of favour.

[frosty charm]

i'm not continuing i'm bored

[visual kiln]

true

[pliant ruin]

Yeah that's basically what it is

[visual kiln]

i wanna see how the elementals and dei were seen culturally

[frosty charm]

something like a structure; maybe a destroyed temple that the astral infection targets (where they used to go) could be cool

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone is indicated to have been revered.

[pliant ruin]

we know abt brimmy and silva

not much on the others

atleast we know a bit about those two

[frosty charm]

calamity if it was woke

[pliant ruin]

i'm sure we'll know More later

[visual kiln]

i find it kinda interesting that the word god in universe predates the actual gods

when like

anything before the gods existed that was called a god

wouldn't be considered a god anymore

[frosty charm]

i think god is just a powerful and revered figure

yknow pre actual gods

[wanton pendant]

A semantic shift thing.

It used to be a powerful, revered figure, now it means anyone who ascended.

[pliant ruin]

its kinda like the word gay.

[frosty charm]

they probably refered to the dragons as gods

[frosty charm]

haha

[wanton pendant]

Used to mean happy.

[pliant ruin]

yep

[wanton pendant]

Now it means gay.

[pliant ruin]

now it means gay ‼️

[visual kiln]

i wonder if theres people who use the older definition of the word

[pliant ruin]

i mean

im sure theres people who still use gay to mean happy out there

[zenith geode]

distortion weaver
watery ocean

[pliant ruin]

not many tho

[visual kiln]

actually the dragon cult

might

[wanton pendant]

There are, especially in old books and songs and Australia.

[young socket]

dog

[frosty charm]

woke lesbian jesus
watery ocean

[visual kiln]

i dont think australia exists in calamity

[zenith geode]

weaver is from the distortion

[wanton pendant]

Well that ruins my fanfic.

[visual kiln]

🥀

[pliant ruin]

no it does

[frosty charm]

i know i just wanted to say that

[pliant ruin]

canonized it

[visual kiln]

oh ok

meow

[wanton pendant]

'Calamitas VS Australia'.

[heavy zenith]

Wow, upon further reading I guess you guys are right, there's nothing that goes against AstralInf popping up after the WoF in the lore. I guess its just the wordplay they use makes it seem like it happened awhile back

My bad

[visual kiln]

i have decided to become one of them

[frosty charm]

it's ok general zat guy... we forgive you!

[visual kiln]

all the modern gods are fake gods

[pliant ruin]

so are you gonna say "im gay" to say youre happy now

[heavy zenith]

[visual kiln]

yes

[pliant ruin]

so are you gay right now

[visual kiln]

mhm

[frosty charm]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

nice

[frosty charm]

so gay rn

[visual kiln]

blip

[pliant ruin]

blep

i wonder if there were gods that where satan in some religions

can you imagine that

[visual kiln]

imagine if the dragons themselves were called gods once and dragons not being gods is god propaganda

[pliant ruin]

ur just satan

[frosty charm]

i mean

providence?

[pliant ruin]

the idea of "god propaganda" itself is

[frosty charm]

thats the closest i can think of

[pliant ruin]

meh to me

[woeful hatch]

Btw I just learned that the astral infection creatures have indeed just been mutated by sheer amounts of mana

This opens up for interesting storytelling possibilities

[frosty charm]

she's the most outwardly malicious i think

[pliant ruin]

i dont think there is such a thing as GOd Propaganda

[frosty charm]

we need YOU to worship me please i don't want to be the god of frauds

[woeful hatch]

That's literally what people trying to convert other people to religions is

Preachers, and such

[frosty charm]

insert that poster of uncle sam pointing

[pliant ruin]

Not what i'm talking about

[woeful hatch]

That's God propaganda

[pliant ruin]

I dislike the notion of "God Propaganda" because it's generalizing

[long bloom]

do you have a notion account

[wanton pendant]

They do unspeakable things to the fireflies.

[frosty charm]

don't know what it is so like

i don't think so

[long bloom]

notes app

[young socket]

permafrost is a mage

[frosty charm]

yeah never heard of it

[wanton pendant]

I have a good general idea of the timeline.

[icy veldt]

Do fireflies even have bones?!?!

[visual kiln]

i dont have an easy way to say "propaganda from a certain subsect of gods who hate the dragons and dont want peopel worshipping them"

[frosty charm]

i can make one real quick

[pliant ruin]

I don't think there was any sort of collective effort to make dragons fall out of picture, i think it's just a thing that happened. Maybe it was a thing in some gods did but like

[frosty charm]

is this it

[pliant ruin]

Just a few of them doing it wouldn't really

[icy veldt]

Me. I hate the dragons

[pliant ruin]

be enough to change that

[split mortar]

Wawa

[pliant ruin]

what the fuck happened btw

this chat went from a normal conversation to brainrot in the spam of me literally just typing up a message

[long bloom]

yeah

ignore the ai

[pliant ruin]

like literally while i was typing the message it completely fell apart

[frosty charm]

? what

[wanton pendant]

It's quite hard to.

[woeful hatch]

Oh yeah this is true

In general the idea of a "dragon genocide" is likely a misconstruction made by Yharim, it's likely that it was a very drawn out process carried out unknowingly over a super long time

[young socket]

cheese u dont get it yharim was right theres a legion of evil shadow government gods that are getting rid of draconic history

[wanton pendant]

God of Dogma probably did a lot of propaganda.

[pliant ruin]

Yeahg

I don't like calling it a dragon genocide for that reason tbh

To me its more of a

extinction

[frosty charm]

alright im gonna move to dms rq so i don't flood the chat with questions

[pliant ruin]

Not to say it's good that it happened

[woeful hatch]

Nah, lore questions are welcome here tbh

[pliant ruin]

But to call it genocide imo just dosen't feel right given it implies a organized effort to rid the world of a specific group

[frosty charm]

not about the lore

[visual kiln]

ask questions

[frosty charm]

about notion

lol

[visual kiln]

questions are better than brainrot

nvm

🥀

[frosty charm]

i do have more questions about the lore but

[visual kiln]

yea

[woeful hatch]

Oh lol

[frosty charm]

yeah im just gonna do this before i get distracted again

[pliant ruin]

im gonna be so real i didn't realize the notion thing was in response to an actual question and thought it was just some stupid inside joke

so i just assumed it was brainrot because when it comes to this chat thats my first instinct

sorry gang

[frosty charm]

no someone is making a timeline and they said to use it

[visual kiln]

it is brainrot

[visual kiln]

ai = brainrot

[frosty charm]

shrug

[woeful hatch]

Well, I'm curious about what they'll write.

[frosty charm]

i'm OBVIOUSLY feeding this chat into generative ai so they'll answer my lore questions for me...

[wanton pendant]

If you want to check if their timeline is accurate, you can ask me.

[visual kiln]

tbh im thinking that the gods individually wouldn't rlly be seen religiously all that much

not like the god from the bible or anything

[frosty charm]

byeah ive decided to actually plan for the story and i'm doing the worldbuilding

since it's not my world

i have a lot of questions so i'll be here for a while

[visual kiln]

i think it'd be more like how people treated the greek or egyptian gods back in the day

[wheat walrus]

You can do both at once

[visual kiln]

alternatively they'd be seen more politically than religiously

[wanton pendant]

No, bad!

[woeful hatch]

I feel like you're overestimating what it takes for people to see something as a god and worship them tbh

[visual kiln]

kinda like celebrities irl

[wheat walrus]

You're weak

[split mortar]

Dont
No
Bad omni

[pliant ruin]

theocracy tbh yeah

[visual kiln]

at the same time u can talk to them and negotiate with them

[split mortar]

Dont teach this chat both

[wanton pendant]

I'm you, from the future.

[pliant ruin]

both gods and political figures

like egyptian pharaohs

[visual kiln]

nationalism for example can be seen as worshipping something

[frosty charm]

uhhh oh yeah next importnat thing is cultures
are there any real like, living cultures

[heavy zenith]

Several people are typing...

[wheat walrus]

Do you think I refer to brainrot questions, or questions with brainrot?

[visual kiln]

but its also seen more politically than religiously

[frosty charm]

or is the world just mostly empty

minus the town npcs

[split mortar]

I would rather lore chat not have either and just stick to questions

[woeful hatch]

Yeah there's quite a lot of cultures still standing, it's just we don't interact much with them

[wheat walrus]

Weak...

[frosty charm]

oh yeah the lihzards

[visual kiln]

i wish we learned more about cultures in calamity

[frosty charm]

other than the one i mentioned what are there

[wanton pendant]

So, most of the heartlands peoples are probably all dead or fled.

[visual kiln]

they're the most interesting thing about worldbuilding other than cosmology imo

[frosty charm]

this reminds me of some sort of world...

[wanton pendant]

Like it's the 1840's.

[frosty charm]

a... rain world...

[pliant ruin]

i was gonna say i disagree but then you added imo so fair enouhghh

[visual kiln]

what would u consider to be the most interesting

[wheat walrus]

lwk except for environments and ecosystems having potential in worldbuilding

[wanton pendant]

Finding ways to avoid making France real.

[pliant ruin]

ecology

[heavy zenith]

Definitely can't wait to learn more about the Ilmeran Tribes

[visual kiln]

oh true

[frosty charm]

so yeah what cultures are there that are still around

[visual kiln]

yea thats also interesting

[pliant ruin]

cosmology is tbh the least interesting to me most of the time kinda ?

not to say i think its boring

but i like culture/history and ecology just like more

[wheat walrus]

Cosmology depends

Agreed

[wanton pendant]

Azafurian, mostly dead, Ilmerian, mostly dead, Chrysadian, very dead, Lihzahrd, peak.

[heavy zenith]

What is Chrysadia

[frosty charm]

where do the town npcs come from since i doubt they're all azafurians and the rest seem relatively unlikely

[frosty charm]

sky islands

[wanton pendant]

Sky people.

[split mortar]

Sky civilisation

[frosty charm]

neener neener i said it first

[visual kiln]

no yea valid

[wheat walrus]

Canada

[wanton pendant]

Some are Azafurian, a bunch are probably from distant lands.

Guide, Demolitionist and Tax Collector I think were Azafurian.

[visual kiln]

@supple storm this is ur cue to talk aobut worldbuilding imo >:3

[split mortar]

Idk much the info on em

[frosty charm]

yea i know of the guide and the tax collector makes sense

[wheat walrus]

They're apparently skonging

[supple storm]

wha

[wanton pendant]

You missed magic system discussion, now it's nationality discussion.

[supple storm]

yo nationalities

based

[visual kiln]

hello world building liker

[visual kiln]

true

[wheat walrus]

World-Cleanser

[wanton pendant]

Found the Paradox fan.

[supple storm]

like you aren't one smh

[wanton pendant]

I never denied it.

[supple storm]

im not either 😎

[supple storm]

isnt calamitas also azafurian?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[split mortar]

Yes

[young socket]

guys ive come to a relevation

[wanton pendant]

But, like, that's not exactly obscure.

[split mortar]

You stink

[young socket]

permafrost is a mage

[wanton pendant]

NO!

[young socket]

shut it catboy

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, catboy.

[split mortar]

Not a catboy

[pliant ruin]

calamitas seems to be like Native azafurian or wtv

[icy veldt]

The Flame Dragon was Welsh, while Providence came from a poor town in northern England

[pliant ruin]

she has the gray skin and horns n shi

[wheat walrus]

cat to cat debate

[wanton pendant]

She's also the Azafurian race, for lack of a better term.

[frosty charm]

so yeah the things i'm worried about are

• magic system (water helped me with it and i'm just making stuff up atp)
• big events (someone else is helping me with it)
• cultures (still in the dark, kinda important since the main character "comes from" chrysadia so it'd be nice to write around the culture of it)

[wanton pendant]

The others we know of weren't of the race.

I mean, it wouldn't be the same as the Chrysadia that once was.

[icy veldt]

How many others are left?

[wanton pendant]

And they were like, Greek or something?

[wanton pendant]

At least 3.

[pliant ruin]

tax collector was azafurian but everyone hated him for being a capitalist greedy asshole

[frosty charm]

hence the quotations yeah

[pliant ruin]

so they cursed him and threw him out

[split mortar]

True

[frosty charm]

they just pick up on what's left of it

[pliant ruin]

melon i'm immortalizing this

[young socket]

so you agree ur a catboy?

[pliant ruin]

you literally just confirmed it

[split mortar]

No

[frosty charm]

hey that's me

[wanton pendant]

It was also decided.

[heavy zenith]

Really wish we could have a lore channel that doesn't talk about dev "confirmations"

[wanton pendant]

We have something for that, it's called the lore document.

[frosty charm]

what just making shit up?

[frosty charm]

they just said doesn't

[pliant ruin]

I mean that seems like a very arbitrary limitation to put on things

[split mortar]

The lore doc has whats ingame only

[wanton pendant]

Lore document doesn't use confirmations.

[pliant ruin]

If you want to only go of what's ingame you can... just check what's ingame

Just take anything that's stated by devs with a big ol grain of salt

[visual kiln]

meow

[frosty charm]

my internet died this is so freaking sad

oh im back

[heavy zenith]

Bc I can read the entire lore document and then discuss it without someone bringing up a dev confirmation i just think it shouldn't be used if it isn't in game

But that's just me

[split mortar]

Why

[wanton pendant]

It may be in game in the future.

[heavy zenith]

May

[pliant ruin]

Yeha, again

just atke it with a grain of salt

It's just that shrimple

[wanton pendant]

Or do you want to learn more about Yharim Fought The Sun Theory. Only in game stuff on that one.

[heavy zenith]

But we preach terms like Chrysadia as gospel now

[wanton pendant]

It has a whole released document.

[heavy zenith]

But its not in game

[frosty charm]

uhh for the chrysadians is there anything like, super notable you think someone that was stuck up there would pick up on
they probably really liked the dragons but i cant think of much else

[visual kiln]

go ahead

[wanton pendant]

It will be. Eventually.

[visual kiln]

im curious

[split mortar]

The thing is if the update came out at a reasonable time (months ago) this issue wouldnt be so prevalent since a lot of the lore would be out

[pliant ruin]

i mean

xeroc also isnt ever namedropped

in the game

or noxus

[heavy zenith]

Or Tyrian

Thats my point

[cosmic zenith]

Xeroc is namedropped silly....

[frosty charm]

heartbreaking: wrath of the gods isn't canon 💔

[pliant ruin]

It's not treating it like gospel, it's just. Why would we limit ourselves to not discuss it lol?

[split mortar]

Why that matter

[heavy zenith]

Oh yeah he is lmao I forgot

[pliant ruin]

It's part of the lore, chances are its being added, what's the point in not discussing it

[wanton pendant]

So, me and Melongun were talking about how Yharim knew about Xeroc, so they asked how the hell does Yharim know how strong Xeroc is, so we eventually concluded they may have fought in between the assassination attempt and the Exo Suit upgrade.

[cosmic zenith]

Noxus isn't in WotG

[pliant ruin]

It's a pointless arbitrary limitation that's remedied simply by like

Keeping in mind: If it's not ingame, not fully confirmed

[frosty charm]

that's the joke

[young socket]

yharim namedrops xeroc

[pliant ruin]

right he does

forgot abt that

mb gang

[cosmic zenith]

Also Chrysadia specifically is being namedropped next update

[frosty charm]

im going off of the clouded acropolis teaser

[pliant ruin]

(Specifically also because like

(If we only went of things ingame

[wanton pendant]

Also, that answered the question I had earlier, Yharim DOES know Xeroc's name.

[cosmic zenith]

It would have been released fairly soon, since it's part of the Vanilla Bestiary Rewrite, but SSO moment

[pliant ruin]

(this chat would like have already ran out of things to talk about by now to be honest

[visual kiln]

this happened

last year

[pliant ruin]

Save for introducing new chat members to the lore

[visual kiln]

i remember that

[cosmic zenith]

It already has

[young socket]

the great lore dry

[visual kiln]

there were like no dev lore drops

[young socket]

where everyone was waiting for anything

[visual kiln]

lore discussion mutated

[wanton pendant]

That's why we need to keep up theory production so we don't all go insane.

[young socket]

then bam fucking

biggest lore dump

[cosmic zenith]

Exactly!

[visual kiln]

boss rush dialogue iirc

[frosty charm]

i think it'd make sense for someone who's only really been in (what's left of) chrysadia to have some sort of adoration for the dragons right? since i imagine the chrysonai liked the dragons a lot for giving them the place (if the text is to be taken at face value)

[wanton pendant]

So we get new innovations, like Yharim Fought The Sun Theory, Moon's Haunted Theory, and Birthday Theory.

[frosty charm]

probably wrote and drew about the dragons being super cool before they died

[young socket]

permafrost is a mage theory

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, since one of the Dragons basically made the archipelago.

[frosty charm]

terrarian isnt yharim theory

[wanton pendant]

Actually, Permafrost's Family Got Muredered By A God Theory is another one.

[frosty charm]

i liked the idea someone else had of making it a floating continent

that broke apart bcuz of ML

[young socket]

guys i think yharim might be bad actually theory

[frosty charm]

yharim hates the gods theory

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's A Furry Theory.

[visual kiln]

Draedon’s from space theory

[wanton pendant]

Out.

[magic epoch]

Yharon can rebirth theory

[visual kiln]

moon lord distortion theory

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian Isn't You Theory.

[magic epoch]

[visual kiln]

astrum deus distortion theory

[magic epoch]

aquatic scourge distortion theory

(??)

[wanton pendant]

Yharim Distortion Theory.

[frosty charm]

yharim IS the distortion theory

[young socket]

we should be asking the real questions

lije

[split mortar]

:(

[young socket]

how fishrons can teleport

seriously wats up with that

[split mortar]

Clams can

[visual kiln]

wait @supple storm sorry for pinging again but u should ask about martian lore i think u’d find it extremely interesting

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord Screwed Up Mars First Theory.

[young socket]

eh

its like 2 sentences of lore cuz we know so little of wat actually happened

[frosty charm]

martian lore

[magic epoch]

Why can fishrons go mostly invisible?

[split mortar]

Honestly yeah i can see it
Fits with if pillars are other conquered planets theory

[magic epoch]

(pigrons and duke)

[frosty charm]

they invade us and get neg diffed by wood (pre update)

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, gotta come up with a better name for that theory.

[young socket]

camouflage duh

[split mortar]

Moonlord space conquerer theory that is a conglomerate of multiple ml theories

[frosty charm]

oh yeah do any of you guys have an idea on how we'd get into the aerie
like i know there's no confirmation i'm just asking for ideas. waterwraith told me of an idea where draedon gives you something to open a tear and calamitas guards it and i like that idea but some other ideas would be nice to hear

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord Is One Of A Species Theory... now that's a horrifying idea.

[icy veldt]

Would Calamitas react negatively to being nicknamed "goober"?

[frosty charm]

he's the non-binary cousin of the moon-men (he uses he/they pronouns don't worry)

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[icy veldt]

Darn

[frosty charm]

well she's not twelve so i doubt she'd react

[long bloom]

draedon said he can't help you get to the aerie

[visual kiln]

It’d certainly explain why the dragons think terraria is in need of protection

[frosty charm]

yeah but i gotta make shit up and i liked the idea (making him necessary to progression) soo

[wanton pendant]

Using Exo Tech to power a portal, without his assistance.

[young socket]

yharim reveals that you can use yharons soul shards to find the aerie

[wanton pendant]

When is this?

[frosty charm]

yharim soul shards

damn i was too slow

[young socket]

they asked for ideas,,

[split mortar]

I know its not gonna happen but maybe rock related since thats from the aerie

Or using the rock phone thing stip suggested to replace lore items but that requires you have that in your story

[wanton pendant]

Oh, ok.

[supple storm]

ill keep it in mind, skonging rn

[wanton pendant]

Rock Phone is real in our hearts.

[split mortar]

True

[frosty charm]

i am including the yharim rock phone actually

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[frosty charm]

unless you mean xeroc rock phone

[woeful hatch]

My guess is a mini structure

Maybe like in the clouded acropolis or something

[split mortar]

Xeroc doesnt have one afaik

[wanton pendant]

You win a prize.

[frosty charm]

yeah but he has an item called a rock so

[frosty charm]

i had the idea where the rift opens up in the acropolis (the place first visited in chap 1) but it's too small to really get through

hence them needing the help of draedon, and needing calamitas to go away

[woeful hatch]

Nah, make it so the place responds to the presence of dragons , which auric armor works as

[wanton pendant]

Draedon's loot allows the portal to be repaired/powered, while Calamitas prevents this without being defeated.

That was the general idea I had.

[split mortar]

Wawa

[frosty charm]

yea

[frosty charm]

i mean the mc is a dragonfolly offshoot soo maybe that could be enough of a reaction to barely open it

idk

[woeful hatch]

Canonically, I believe calamitas attacks us, just like most bosses, not us going out of our way to fight her

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, I know, the concept was that she attacks you at the portal to prevent you from reaching and potentially siding with Yharim.

[frosty charm]

yeah she wants to prevent golden (guy) 2.0

[wanton pendant]

She isn't just... standing there all day.

[frosty charm]

she checks her watch

damn it's midnight and the terrarian still hasn't come

look below the island

terrarian is getting melted by ares

oh

[wanton pendant]

The idea was more so for a hypothetical gameplay justification for the boss fights/access method to the Aerie. (Honestly, I'd have had the portal in some castle/fortress Yharim governed from.)

[frosty charm]

i like the idea of the grave of light being a cathedral of sorts where zeratos died

[wanton pendant]

So you could fight them in either order, but you'd still need to beat both.

[frosty charm]

so i included it lol

[woeful hatch]

Ah I see,

Anyways, personally I'd justify Draedon by just having the main character seek for knowledge of where Yharim is, instead of him actually being needed to power a portal

I think he'd be able to find and power a portal by himself if that was the only stuff necessary to access the Aerie

[wanton pendant]

Maybe Miracle Matter is needed.

Since Draedon never figured it out himself.

[woeful hatch]

Yharim doesn't need it so

[wanton pendant]

Yharim had Yharon.

I doubt we're going in the same way he does.

[woeful hatch]

Well, there's no real connection between miracle matter and dragons other than just auric tesla stuff, which brings me to my initial point

Aka, just have auric work to open the portal

[wanton pendant]

The idea is that the power of a Dragon is needed to open the portal... or something so powerful it can simply pull it off, like the endless power of Exo Prisms, or perhaps Miracle Matter. Auric Tesla needs a pseudo-bond to function, and if that were the case there's no need to fight Draedon and Calamitas.

So the pseudo-bonded Auric Tesla probably doesn't qualify.

[frosty charm]

i know it isn't really canon compliant but

i have to make something up and i liked the idea

well i guess i didn't have to make much up since water did that for me but

still

[woeful hatch]

Well, I don't think we know about where the fuck to find Yharim in lore until we get the cynosure lore item , so who better to ask than the guy who worked with him for years? And that makes Draedon necessary

And calamitas isn't needed in general, her attacking you at the hypothetical portal would work either way

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's why Calamitas stops you at the portal, to mandate fighting her.
And Draedon doesn't know how to reach Yharim, we have to figure it out, so making it require stuff from him makes sense, otherwise there's no need to fight him.

[frosty charm]

"hey terrarian fight my exo mechs"
no fuck off
": ("

[woeful hatch]

I mean, yes you still would need to fight him because before you fight him, you have no clue where to go

But after the fight, you get the info from cynosure lore

And even if you didn't gain anything that furthers your goal directly from the fight, it was still the most logical course of action

And IMO it makes more sense than an hypothetical "you need to make an entirely new thing, entirely unrelated to the previous way to access it, for it to work"

It's not ENTIRELY illogical, but idk it feels weird

[wanton pendant]

The other alternative is that Yharim just opens the portal for you.

[woeful hatch]

Also now that I think about it, if draedon doesn't know about the portal

How does Scal know

[frosty charm]

i mean i assume draedon would know if he gave you the stuff to open it

[wanton pendant]

Considering Dreadon's dialogue, it may have taken him some time to conclude it may require a portal. And it is possible to keep secrets from Draedon.

Perhaps the 'portal' is something that appears entirely inert without knowing it's a portal.

[woeful hatch]

I mean more like it doesn't make sense for Yharim to tell the traumatized child soldier rather than the scientist who is financing your entire army and you trusted at that point

[dusk laurel]

he finally admitted

[wanton pendant]

The scientist has a tendency to snoop.

And he tells secrets to those he grooms, he tells the Terrarian about Xeroc, after all.

It's not unreasonable if he shared such secrets with Calamitas in a similar effort.

And she certainly wouldn't tell Draedon.

[leaden bridge]

draedon makes it pretty explicit both yharon and yharim kept as much god dragon related stuff from him as possible

[frosty charm]

i wouldn't put it above draedon to just snoop as hard as he can until he finds a way to listen

[leaden bridge]

Probably out of fear he'd pursue using auric power

[frosty charm]

also real quick, the four main (calamity) kingdoms/cities are

• ilmeris (gone)
• azafure (gone)
• chrysadia (gone)

right

[wanton pendant]

That's three.

[frosty charm]

i said four

but i couldnt think of the fourth

lol

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's Empire (Functionally Holy Roman Empire).

[heavy zenith]

Lihzards

[wanton pendant]

Also yes, Lihzahrds.

[frosty charm]

id say lihzards are terraria byeah

also isn't yharims empire more metaphorical

[wanton pendant]

Still canon.

Again, close to HRE.

Technically unified, but not really.

[woeful hatch]

Let me make an hypothetical timeline for the events of the fanfic, which imo would make most sense:

• Player kills yharon, doesn't know how to proceed, so contacts draedon in hopes of him telling them how to reach Yharim
• Draedon makes them fight exos, then tells them "yeah there's theoretically this portal somewhere but idk where it is or where it brings or how to open it GL lol"
• player recognizes description, goes there
• Scal ambush near portal, player defeats her, opens portal with auric tesla

This makes it so the player would need to beat draedon and scal, and the portal stuff stays entirely related to dragons which explains why nobody could open it beforehand

[wanton pendant]

Yeah I think that was the idea?

[frosty charm]

yea

[woeful hatch]

It's more about the idea that they needed something physical from draedon to make the portal work that bothered me because it doesn't really make sense , so that's why I phrased it as I did

[frosty charm]

fair enough i guess

[naive storm]

There was a dragon for everything right? So there was a dragon of hot dogs?

XD

[wanton pendant]

Not how this works, and are you sure you want to play with fire again?

[frosty charm]

[woeful hatch]

There wasn't a dragon for everything, but there were enough dragons to essentially make a pantheon

Hot dogs would probably be related to the dragon of gluttony, which was the one absorbed by slime god

[naive storm]

Oh

[wanton pendant]

Somewhere under 3k at most I think.

[frosty charm]

there was obviously a sausage dragon

[long bloom]

yeah

[woeful hatch]

Like, yeah each dragon had domains, and they probably overlapped a fair bit with each other, but there weren't dragons for super specific concepts like "dragon of one specific type of food" lol

[naive storm]

Sad

It would be cool

Dragon of hot dogs

[wanton pendant]

You got deadly sins, and by that logic heavenly virtues, basic elements, mortality, the sun, all the classics.

[woeful hatch]

Then there's rebirth

[naive storm]

So who was the dragon of lust?

[long bloom]

your mom

[woeful hatch]

We don't know

[naive storm]

My mom is a saint

[wanton pendant]

I was kinda putting him with mortality.

Life, Death, Rebirth.

[naive storm]

You want to see the storm that is aproaching?

[heavy zenith]

Dragon of Magic would be cool

[woeful hatch]

We don't know nearly any dragons, we just know yharon, zerastros, dragon of gluttony, and iirc from outside info, dragon of night?

But other than that, it's mostly just speculation. Idk if we know what dragons Silva, Agnus or Providence ate for example

[long bloom]

didn't silva eat the dragon of life

and providence, the dragon of flame

[naive storm]

O think providence absorbed the dragon of fire or rage

[long bloom]

and i think agnus ate the dragon of death

[heavy zenith]

Flames but yeah

[wanton pendant]

Life, don't remember, Flame.

[woeful hatch]

Oh damn, that was a surprisingly large shift in domain, from death to sacrifice

Must have messed up something in the ascension ritual

[wanton pendant]

Because he kills part of himself for others.

[woeful hatch]

Yeah but that's not really killing parts of himself, that's giving them up

Yeah you're killing cells but that's different

[icy veldt]

From death to preventing death, maybe?

[heavy zenith]

Perfect cell

[wanton pendant]

Didn't he kill himself so others could live, like Jesus?

[naive storm]

So my headcannon for my terrarian is that he is the dragonborn but he is mad that there is no dragons to kill

Until he knows about yharon existence

[long bloom]

there's one dragon to kill

[wanton pendant]

Bad news, in Calamity, everyone can absorb dragon souls.

Except, you don't know how.

So, uh, you specifically can't be the Dragonborn.

[naive storm]

Isnt the terrarian whatever we want?

So for me he is the dragonborn

[woeful hatch]

No he just had infinitely regenerating magic organs and flesh and everything and he gave them to help people

But he didn't die when doing that

[long bloom]

within reason

[heavy zenith]

Literally you are anything but the dragonborn

[naive storm]

Sry i just got addicted to Skyrim again

[wanton pendant]

I mean, eventually he did. Then he became a zombie.

[naive storm]

Such a masterpiece

[wanton pendant]

So long as it doesn't overtly contradict everything. So you can't be Yharim with amnesia, or Calamitas with amnesia, or Draedon with amnesia, or yeah, the Dragonborn from Skyrim.

[naive storm]

But imagine if the dragonborn goes to the calamity world before the dragons death

He would turn into a omnipotent being

[wanton pendant]

No.

[heavy zenith]

The Terrarian is a disguised Astrum Deus

[long bloom]

then you would be extremely old

[naive storm]

Bcs he would absorb all dragons

[wanton pendant]

Dragonborn isnt' that strong.

There's one dragon.

One soul to get.

So he can learn one shout.

[icy veldt]

The Terrarian is Calamitas from the future, sent back to prevent something horrible

[naive storm]

As i said if he was in the calamity world before the dragons being killed

He would kill all dragons and absorb them

[wanton pendant]

In that case, then congratulations, you cause the apocalypse and Fovos kills everyone.

[naive storm]

And be unstoplable

[wanton pendant]

All that for some shouts.

[naive storm]

Its worth

[wanton pendant]

Also, you become Polterghast.

[icy veldt]

...wait, that might actually work. It wouldn't need time travel to be canonically possible already, since we could just imagine that Draedon invents it some time in the future as a result of the future's unknown dark horrors

[wanton pendant]

Yay!

[wanton pendant]

Why would Calamitas use a time machine made by Draedon?

[icy veldt]

Desperation

[frosty charm]

frieza n goku type shit

[naive storm]

To kill yharim i think

[wanton pendant]

Intriguing, go on.

[icy veldt]

Like if that future was dark enough

[woeful hatch]

The terrarian is one of draedon's rogue creations that acquired sentience after a malfunction, and due to their newborn conscience being pure and naive , they've decided the only way to help the world around them is to kill Yharim

[naive storm]

I think calamitas would use the time machine to kill yharim

Before he gets strong asf

[wanton pendant]

Then you run into the issue of Draedon not recognizing you.

[icy veldt]

And it's far enough into the future that she has aged significantly, so current Calamitas wouldn't recognize her

[heavy zenith]

You could just be like the Terminator

[wanton pendant]

Then you run into the question of why doesn't future Calamitas just tell Calamitas something only she would know to prove they're the same person.

Instead of fighting.

[icy veldt]

Maybe that would mess something up, i.e. they need to fight

[woeful hatch]

He's simply keeping up the act to see where it goes, he doesn't want you to have an existential crisis which would interfere with this accidental experiment

In fact the only reason he can know what you're doing is because you're his machine still

(Btw this is a joke, I haven't used this sort of lore for a terrarian yet)

[wanton pendant]

No, that premise is interesting.

[wanton pendant]

For what reason is this needed.

[naive storm]

So what would happen if calamitas go back in time and kill yharim

[wanton pendant]

Depends on when she kills him.

[icy veldt]

Ehh, idk

[heavy zenith]

It'd be cool if she like goes back only a year or so to assist Braelor and Statis

[long bloom]

grandfather paradox

[heavy zenith]

But then like time travel ruins every story so no

[wanton pendant]

What did Sonic CD do to you?

[naive storm]

Not every story

I know a few rly good time travel historys: steins gate, link click, back to the future

[wanton pendant]

Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask...

[naive storm]

Steins gate and link click are peak anime

[wanton pendant]

They aren't games?

[naive storm]

They are animes

I recommend both

Both are goated animes

[fierce pagoda]

Ocarina of times time travel messes with my head

[frosty charm]

yharim dies

[heavy zenith]

[frosty charm]

does pre cultist seem like a good enough spot to put a storm weaver cameo/p1 fight for storm weaver

[long bloom]

sure

[frosty charm]

cool beans

[jaunty wraith]

New lore yharim when yharon dies : well this stinks

Old lore yharim when yharon dies:

[leaden locust]

h

[visual kiln]

h

[lunar island]

Between Yharon, his son Akato, and the things with draconic descent like the dragonfolly, why doesnt draedon like. clone the dragons

[long bloom]

akato isn't canon

about not cloning them idk

maybe it's too hard

or it'd be useless since i doubt the clones would also have auric souls

[pliant ruin]

Yeah

The auric souls aren't part of the dragons biology

As seen by the offshoots, who are quite literally dragons born but who were never given an auric soul because, well. damn thigns ran out

Draedon could clone dragons, it's just, he has no real rreason to

The reason he cloned Calamitas was because due to how mysterious her powers are, he was wondering if a genetic clone would have them aswell

[long bloom]

soul cloning when

[pliant ruin]

Which as we can see yeah failed, as calclone initially was kind of just. normal ass girl

[north root]

auric souls were made by auros the auricist

[jaunty wraith]

Im getting tired and kept reading auric souls as "autistic souls"

[long bloom]

that's my soul

[north root]

autistic souls were made by autos the autistic

[frosty charm]

what's storm weaver lore again

all i remember is baby dog (which is prob outdated)
like i know he slipped out of the distortion and likes to eat stuff in chrysadia (prob the folly and harpies and slimes n stuff) but is there anything else, like is he as SAPIENT (i realized the word) as DoG or naw

[thick slate]

worm steaver

[twilit aspen]

how is Amidias pronounced i always say uh-middy-is

[thick slate]

uh my dee ess

[fallen kindle]

pronounced like “Amidias”

[long bloom]

that's it

that's all the lore

[frosty charm]

good

[long bloom]

there was a discussion about its sapience a while ago though

you could search if devs gave any answers then

[frosty charm]

nah i'm not too worried abt it

just wrote the draft of the storm weaver fight

[frail hearth]

he's canon to me damn it ;~;

i like the funny babby yahron

[pulsar ocean]

baby yharim

[frosty charm]

yarm

[hushed jasper]

I would kick like a football XD

[heavy zenith]

three words: Ilmeran Prime Minister

[plucky juniper]

isn’t that like. thanks to the last hwan empire unleashing the giza mass autism array?

didn’t know about autos though…

[woeful hatch]

What the fuck are you two talking about

[twilit aspen]

https://youtu.be/DW3EVvt57_A?si=Ie8g_6S5efgeeduW

has anyone watched this video does he have his info straight

[long bloom]

there's some things that are blatantly wrong

i recommend just asking here

[wheat walrus]

"i recommend just asking here" dev statements ain't it

ill watch the video when I can

[long bloom]

i've almost finished making the most accurate comprehensive timeline there is

[wheat walrus]

that's not what i was pointing at

what i was pointing at is if the wrong you're pointing out is him not taking dev statements from this server into consideration besides name reveals

[long bloom]

ah ic

no there's incorrect things that aren't not including statements

[wheat walrus]

hm

[long bloom]

like they say calamitas joined early in the crusade

[wheat walrus]

goat washed

[long bloom]

and all or most of the gods were organized and worked together

[wheat walrus]

goat washed truly

one must cite sources in their informative video

one must imagine sourcephus happy

[long bloom]

true

[woeful hatch]

I know, entirely way too late reply, but want to know the even more fucked up stuff? Perfect eclipses that last an entire day

That means, for an entire rotation of the sun around the terraria planet , the sun and moon must be perfectly aligned

[split mortar]

And then moon visible the next night

[woeful hatch]

Yeah

[woeful hatch]

This means that somehow, either the sun or moon must decelerate or accelerate in their orbit ? Because it's not like one is elliptical and the other isn't, otherwise either the moon or sun would appear to get smaller throughout the day/night

[wanton pendant]

Second Moon Theory:

[woeful hatch]

Ok so another lore question

We know the sun isn't a star in calamity, correct? And that means, the other stars aren't suns

We know other planets exist, however, because draedon wishes to study them further. But in that case, where are their suns?

[young socket]

draedon says "this mere cluster of planets" implying that the planets hes studied are close enough to terraria to act as a sort of system, which would mean theyre probably also using the sun

(page 2 of the space log)

[woeful hatch]

But the sun orbits around terraria

[young socket]

yea

doesnt mean they cant use it too

[woeful hatch]

I mean

[wanton pendant]

Orbits are screwed up.

[young socket]

theyd have extremely fucked day cycles but theyd still have cycles

[woeful hatch]

And anyways what about the planets beyond that?

[woeful hatch]

Yeah but they'd need to orbit around a star that's orbiting around a planet

How does that work

[young socket]

they

dont need to orbit the sun??

[woeful hatch]

Ok then the sun would need to orbit around those too

[young socket]

it doesnt

why are you fixating on orbits so much

[split mortar]

The sun orbits terraria
Terraria is within the planet system
Planets in that system get fucked and much darker day times due to not having a sun orbit them

[woeful hatch]

Because that's how stuff sticks together in general

They're attracted by gravity to each other, and they spin around each other because of their motion

Planets that "are just there" in relation to the sun or the planet the sun is orbiting around feels really weird

[wheat walrus]

That would imply the other planets are tiny

That or Gravity in Calamity is fucked, but I doubt

As for the cluster of planets

They could be keeping each other closer, or maybe there's a biggest planet or other cosmic object keeping them closer

[wanton pendant]

Magic Orbits:

Or, you know, they're all orbiting a small black hole.

In which case, forget Yharim, we have bigger problems.

[wheat walrus]

I would doubt the object in question to be a rl-accurate star, as we would most definitely notice its shine

[wheat walrus]

That would be interesting actually

[wanton pendant]

It's something I think is possible, but also greatly concerning.

[wheat walrus]

To take it a step further, what if they're orbiting a distortion, maybe the distortion

[wanton pendant]

Distortion is a Black Hole Theory.

[wheat walrus]

The distortion is a region of spacetime that's fucked up, thus not normally accessible, but I wouldn't put it past it to have effects on what's "around" it

[wanton pendant]

Wait, Ceaseless Void is kinda black hole themed, right?

[wheat walrus]

It would also help explain ML targeting Terraria

[wheat walrus]

Themed, but I'm not sure if it could be described like a black hole

[woeful hatch]

Nah, it constantly shoots out stuff

[wanton pendant]

Black holes do that at the end of their life.

[woeful hatch]

In reality they do it over time their whole life, but it's under form of radiation (hawking radiation)

[wheat walrus]

We know that creating rifts from the main world and the distortion requires lots of energy, but someone like Signus cannot keep them for long before they violently disperse this energy

CV should work under the same principle, but far more efficient and powerful

[wheat walrus]

Well, black holes do do this

And, tmk, an especially tiny black hole (like atom-small) would violently disperse all the radiation immediately

[wheat walrus]

Which sounds similar to this

[wheat walrus]

Whereas CV lasts way longer, like a bigger black hole would

Interesting

[leaden bridge]

Well you see gravity is magical and the orbits are funny squiggly lines wdk

[split mortar]

Meow

[hoary berry]

nya

wtf no lea channel

nvm discord just took eight years to load

[split mortar]

Nya

[hoary berry]

mrrow

[pulsar ocean]

Gravity was made by xeroc so humans didn't progress as fast

[wanton pendant]

Unlikely. Gary Gravity is a far stronger contender.

[leaden bridge]

How would that even help

Without gravity we'd be much different

Progression can't really be compared

[heavy zenith]

In my defense, I did release a corrected Crusades vid

[wheat walrus]

goat unwashed

[wanton pendant]

As further penance, do a 100% playthrough of Pikmin.

[heavy zenith]

Please. Have mercy

[split mortar]

Now the goat is dirty wtfuck

[wanton pendant]

Olimar needs your help. Get to work.

[heavy zenith]

[wheat walrus]

What made you like this

[wanton pendant]

Goku?

[wheat walrus]

What made you like this¹

[split mortar]

Aurism

[wanton pendant]

That's the thing the dragons had.

[wheat walrus]

Yharon is auristic

[twilit aspen]

what species of creature is draedon

[wanton pendant]

Robot.

[twilit aspen]

who made him ?

[wanton pendant]

Someone.

They're dead now.

[twilit aspen]

fair enough

[wanton pendant]

They may also be Draedon, but nobody can prove that. It's just a theory.

[twilit aspen]

like time travel shenanigans or?

[wanton pendant]

No.

Consciousness transfer.

Or a botched one.

[twilit aspen]

ohhhhh

i saw something about like interacting with the code breaker to get a bunch of dialogue with draedon but i couldn’t figure out how to do it in my world

like u could ask him about a bunch of different things

[wanton pendant]

You have to make something.

With Exo Prisms.

Not using Magic Storage.

[twilit aspen]

oh i see

[wanton pendant]

This is how you learn about his backstory.

[heavy zenith]

he gives such amazing lore drops too

love them dates fr

[twilit aspen]

wow how thorough

[wanton pendant]

He states the exact day the crusade started.

His day of activation, and when he joined Yharim.

The day he left Yharim can also be extrapolated.

As well as the approximate year the game takes place.

[twilit aspen]

Oh i was literally gonna ask exactly that so that’s awesome, i was wondering how long it was between him coming around and him joining yharim

[wanton pendant]

(1887, about.)

[heavy zenith]

he joined yharim 1803, left yharim 1875, Present Day is around 1886 or 7

[wanton pendant]

He joined 22 years in.

[wanton pendant]

Of note, the time you fight Draedon must at least be 1887.

And likely the first half of the year.

[twilit aspen]

so he was activated ~1780?

[heavy zenith]

oh yeah def, unless your speedrunning lmao

well, 1227

[wanton pendant]

He's old.

[heavy zenith]

but he worked in secrecy before Yharim ever started his crusade

[wanton pendant]

660 years old.

[twilit aspen]

jeez louise

[wanton pendant]

Yharon's over 2000.

[twilit aspen]

wait i think i asked this yesterday but Yharim is a human right?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[twilit aspen]

how old is he

[wanton pendant]

130+

[twilit aspen]

so how does that manage to happen

[zenith geode]

peak human condition

[wanton pendant]

He has a dragon bff.

[zenith geode]

also attunement

[twilit aspen]

which characters are the biggest aura farmers

[wanton pendant]

Yharim.

DoG.

Young Calamitas.

[twilit aspen]

yeah dog was top of my list lol

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost.

[twilit aspen]

How much do we know about young Calamitas? All i was aware is that she was a kid growing up in azafure or did you mean like after she’d gotten her powers

[heavy zenith]

nah man its the Cnidrion

walking all slow and shi

[wanton pendant]

We know nearly nothing about pre-power Calamitas.

She was likely poor and had no parents.

[twilit aspen]

I read something about one of her brothers doing mercenary work to put food on the table, so i see it

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's the main reasoning.

Remaining family and needing to take up mercenary work implies they are orphans and impoverished.

I believe that one is Catastrophe.

[twilit aspen]

dude when i read about her brothers being a brawler and a swordsman and when i realized those are the two guys you fight in the scal fight the holy shit moment in my brain was crazy

[split mortar]

Sadly theres like a 50% chance she accidentally killed her brothers

[wanton pendant]

The other 50% is Brimstone Elemental got them.

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Saw some cool fanart about it though.

[twilit aspen]

so they definitely died in the azafure battle?

[split mortar]

👁️

[wanton pendant]

Almost certainly.

[split mortar]

Its the most realistic thing, it would be the exception if they didnt die in it

And so likely have been said

[twilit aspen]

what kind of parents name their kids cataclysm, catastrophe, and calamitas bro

[wanton pendant]

They are all nicknames.

[split mortar]

Calamitas isnt her name

Its a monicker

[twilit aspen]

oh that makes a bit more sense

[split mortar]

Cataclysm and catastrophe also probably monickers

[wanton pendant]

Cataclysm is a stage name, Catastrophe was a moniker and Calamitas is what her enemies called her in fear I think.

[twilit aspen]

is there gonna be a lore drop that calamitas’ god given name is like susan

[mighty zenith]

monkey 💔

[wanton pendant]

My theory for her name is that it's not Susan.

[wanton pendant]

Shut.

[heavy zenith]

Susan Strong?

[wanton pendant]

Also Azafure was anti-god.

[icy veldt]

Her parent(s)-given name?

Back before they died/went missing

[wanton pendant]

Fatty, fatty no-parents.

[split mortar]

We dunno scals real name

[heavy zenith]

parents name were Crisis and Chaos LOL imagine

[wanton pendant]

Clone's real name is probably BEC-00.

[icy veldt]

Didn't her name get erased from the universe when/after she started being called Calamitas?

[split mortar]

Brimstone
???
Clone

[woeful hatch]

What? I don't think it was? Yharim said some of the more domineering gods wanted him to champion their cause from the underworld, didn't he?

[wanton pendant]

I think it's more nobody knows it other than a few people.

[wanton pendant]

That was a long time ago.

[twilit aspen]

i know azafure was one of the first cities to support yharims crusade against the gods

[split mortar]

Yharim was the major force in azafure for decades by the time cal was born

[wanton pendant]

Before Azafure joined the crusade.

[mighty zenith]

she was just a nobody before becoming calamitas

[wanton pendant]

Correct.

[mighty zenith]

literally a little child in one of the most important cities in the world

[twilit aspen]

literally just susan

[heavy zenith]

this line right here gave me such a headache, he follows it up with something along the lines of "when their wishes weren't met, Azafure simply burned; such is the unfortunate price of war, though i have no regrets fighting for my people" This sounds like the Gods offered him God-King for a second time jjust for Yharim to refuse, leading to the domineering Gods awakening Brimmy

[split mortar]

It isnt out of the question brimmy was intentionally set off by an opposing force iirc

[wanton pendant]

I don't think it does.

[heavy zenith]

so azafure burned twice?

when he refused god-king and when brimmy woke up later?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim refused the gods, Azafure sided with him, most of a crusade later Azafure is destroyed.

Way later.

[heavy zenith]

I guess it could've just taken that long to awaken Brim

[wanton pendant]

We don't know precisely what awoke the Elemental.

[split mortar]

All that scheming and decades of time spent to awaken the brimstone elemental
And
A child absorbs her power and yharim now has a soldier who can delete directions at the cost of a single city

[wanton pendant]

Assuming she did absorb it and some other bizarre occurrence happened.

[split mortar]

I swear it were said somewhere lemme look

Oh it was leaked by a patreon member on accident thinking it was public

[heavy zenith]

nah draedon just found that their energy was nigh identical with some "key differences"

ohhh your talking about leaks nvm

[split mortar]

I fully believed scal absorbed brimmys power before it was said cause theres more then just that

Scal was completely normal in magic before brimmy awoken

iirc

[wanton pendant]

It's what I think too, if we're honest.

[split mortar]

And then

Suddenly

[wanton pendant]

She just locked in and figured out magic, obviously.

[split mortar]

She has near identical magic that is equal to brimmy and specialises in the same magics and brimmy later on (when we fight her) is early hardmode boss

[wanton pendant]

The power also can drive people mad, and the Elemental seems furious!

[pliant ruin]

i named her valeria in a Certain Place

Like her actual name

Given that Azafure as a whole seems to have spanish cultural inspirations

[wanton pendant]

Different from the idea I had.

[pliant ruin]

(I mean, Azafure is literally Sulphur in spanish)

[twilit aspen]

what’s a Certain Place ?

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry about it.

[pliant ruin]

(Or well, really close to it anyways)

Sulphur in spanish is Azufre so like.

[wanton pendant]

They just changed it a little.

[manic coral]

this is why I thought it'd be funny if a spanish translate called it like "Solphure" or something

[wanton pendant]

Good idea!

[split mortar]

Its secret

[split mortar]

Peak

[twilit aspen]

why am i being gatekept

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry about it.

[split mortar]

Don’t worry about it

[twilit aspen]

i’m gonna figure it out

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry about it.

[split mortar]

Don’t worry about it.

[mighty zenith]

there is no secret in lore discussion.

[twilit aspen]

oh i found a funny message from about half a year ago

[split mortar]

Ok

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry about it.

[twilit aspen]

i’ll leave it be

[wanton pendant]

Good.

[twilit aspen]

why couldn’t ilmeris just use the bottomless water bucket

or the ilmerians i should say

[split mortar]

Calamitas had bottomlesser brimstone bucket

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas was better at clicking.

[twilit aspen]

wait what do i make to talk to draedon at the computer? does he just want me to make a single exoweapon?

[wanton pendant]

Anything.

With Exo Prisms.

Using Draedon's Forge.

[twilit aspen]

so i’m assuming anything with miracle matter too since it’s a subcomponent?

can i just shimmer my sword and recraft it at the forge

i think i should be able to

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, no reason why not.

[plucky lichen]

No secret societies whatsoever

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry about it.

[twilit aspen]

slay it worked

yeah i definitely thing a consciousness transfer is likely. if the dead scientist (presuming to be draedon) had already attached some of their own inventions to their body i don’t think it’s a big jump for them to try and transfer to a new one instead of upgrade the old one

[split mortar]

How the fuck did they get the tech for it tho

[twilit aspen]

that is a fantastic question

what the hell was this scientist doing in literally the 1200s with technology from almost 1000 years in the future

[wanton pendant]

It's fantasy 1227, not real life 1227.

[twilit aspen]

fair enough but presumably it’s still advanced for the time

[split mortar]

Ok but still centuries before the industrial revolution

[wanton pendant]

He was locked in.

[twilit aspen]

(not finished reading the logs so don’t spoil if this gets answered) so what does draedon actually learn about exotech from us fighting it that he doesn’t already know

[wanton pendant]

He learns about miracle Matter after the fight.

[twilit aspen]

ohhhh how convenient for us

[wanton pendant]

Insane theory: Draedon is actually the creation of the God of Science or something, and that's why he has no soul or memories as Godly Souls can't survive the procedure.

[icy veldt]

Well yeah. It's a mutually beneficial deal

[twilit aspen]

i guess so. we help him with information and technology and he helps us get some extra firepower

[icy veldt]

I think I had headcanoned Draedon as a creation of a worshipper of Miklarauth, the God of Knowledge, for my old Vindication eterna-WIP submod

[twilit aspen]

“i will continue until i am eliminated or reach the universe’s scientific ceiling” goes so hard

[wanton pendant]

Wow, don't rip me off like that.

[split mortar]

Everything from the creator of autism does

[twilit aspen]

so is the planet we’re on called Terraria or is it like the whole universe or what

[icy veldt]

This was months before either of us had joined this server

[wanton pendant]

Planet.

[split mortar]

The planet is terraria

[twilit aspen]

ok ok

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, right.

[split mortar]

The world name you input is the name of the continent iirc (often referred to as heartlands here since its a devs headcanon)

[icy veldt]

"pfft yeah, RIGHT!!!" - 🤓

[wanton pendant]

I will drive cats to extinction.

[split mortar]

D:

[twilit aspen]

so did all the gods and dragons and such originate from Terraria? i don’t remember where i saw this but i remember seeing that the only ppl from a different place were DoG, ML, and the distortion guy

[icy veldt]

Maybe "the heartlands" is just a poetic epithet or nickname for the continent

[wanton pendant]

All the gods and dragons are from Terraria.

[split mortar]

Its a headcanon from a dev

Not lore accurate afaik

[wanton pendant]

Anything from Distortion or Space is not from Terraria.

[split mortar]

Well any sapient space guys (martians) could have had a god appear
But all known gods are from the planet

[icy veldt]

The Sun is made of Primordial Light, which belongs to Zeratros and then Xeroc. So it may kinda be from Terraria

[wanton pendant]

Ok, in the off chance a martian showed up, killed a dragon, and became a god, there could be a space god.

[split mortar]

A nonzero chance theres a god from space but its hella unlikely

[icy veldt]

A Martian showed up too late to kill a dragon and ascend, so he just sat and cried 😔

[twilit aspen]

but there’s life out in space right? i mean there has to be if there’s other DoGs and there’s martians right?

[wanton pendant]

DoG isn't from space.

And martians are barely alive.

[split mortar]

DoG is from distortion not outer space

Deus exists tho

[twilit aspen]

ohhhh i was thinking of dues i meant dues