#lore-discussion

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frosty charm
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some things i don't really plan on touching are

  • ilmeris (i don't really know how to slot it in as it's mostly a story on the post ml content and the sso isn't out)
  • sulphiric sea/abyss (i don't really know what to write for them/why they'd matter)
  • astral infection (again i don't know what to write for it specifically)
  • the world evils (beyond passing mentions i don't really know what to do with them)
wanton pendant
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It is entirely possible Astral Infection was a known thing in other places.

split mortar
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Why would draedon recognize it fully if it just fell

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Draedon shrimply hadnt had the time to science yet

wanton pendant
frosty charm
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oh they're getting swapped

visual kiln
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what swaps and tier shifts are happening btw

frosty charm
wanton pendant
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Clone and Slime God are also a possibility.

frosty charm
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don't want to talk about myself if it has nothing to do with the question so

wanton pendant
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Aside from that, I don't know.

visual kiln
split mortar
visual kiln
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the mod

frosty charm
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ah yea

frosty charm
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uhh the envoys are getting moved around

pliant ruin
frosty charm
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signus is staying pre dog i think but ceaseless is getting moved back

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i think?

wanton pendant
frosty charm
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so is weaver

heavy zenith
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Yharim talks about it like it happened in the Crusade

wanton pendant
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Ceaseless I think is going to be made mandatory again. You know, to get into the Distortion.

visual kiln
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?

pliant ruin
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i think cv might be moved to the beggining of post ml

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but weaver'll stay where it is iirc?

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like post provi

split mortar
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Weaver staying

heavy zenith
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"In our world, Astrum Deus is revered as God of the night sky" you can't tell me that's while the Terrarian is awake

split mortar
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Signus old duke

pliant ruin
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astrum deus

frosty charm
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is there anything planned for the sunken sea post ml

pliant ruin
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not astrum aureus

split mortar
pliant ruin
frosty charm
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yeah isn't current aureus just

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astral rot worm

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aureus? deus i mean

split mortar
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Deus is worm

pliant ruin
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aureus is the robot

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deus is the worm

wanton pendant
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No, it's an infected robot.

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Deus is the space worm.

pliant ruin
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me when similar names

heavy zenith
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Yharim says it in past tense is what I'm getting at

frosty charm
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yeah i realized

pliant ruin
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yeah because Deus existed before

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not Aureus

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they're separate

wanton pendant
pliant ruin
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Aureus is the robot that Draedon sent to study the infection

visual kiln
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rename astrum deus

pliant ruin
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Deus is the space worm that got infected and is the reason the infection is here to begin with

frosty charm
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new name is astrum worm guy

pliant ruin
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Its name is not only rly close to astrum aureus which gan get confusing sometimes but
not only is -deus just gramatically wrong but thats more of a pet peeve but also it gets unecessarily confusing on the God stuff sometimes

wanton pendant
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I know, to Space Weaver!

pliant ruin
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Like if ppl just read it they'll figure out its not a god

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so its not like

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a big deal rly

frosty charm
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you know what name every worm a weaver

pliant ruin
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But even then its a bit of a pet peeve i have

wanton pendant
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God Weaver.

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Bone Weaver.

pliant ruin
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i wanna see more on the ppl who worshipped deus tbh

wanton pendant
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Death Weaver.

pliant ruin
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give of like

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stars druid energy

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hermits that wander through the wilderness and life of it while looking at the stars to guide themselves, always thankful for the Dei in the sky for how they keep the night skies and their world safe from impurity

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Less of a like religious worship in the style of modern relgiions and more paganism?

frosty charm
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DoG -> distortion weaver
destroyer -> ground weaver
desert scourge -> sand weaver
aquatic scourge -> water weaver

wanton pendant
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I kinda imagined that Astrum Deus worship was an ancient religion, from before the actual gods even, and that may be where the term came from. After the gods showed up, Astrum Deus worship may have fallen out of favour.

frosty charm
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i'm not continuing i'm bored

pliant ruin
visual kiln
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i wanna see how the elementals and dei were seen culturally

frosty charm
wanton pendant
pliant ruin
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we know abt brimmy and silva

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not much on the others

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atleast we know a bit about those two

frosty charm
pliant ruin
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i'm sure we'll know More later

visual kiln
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when like

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anything before the gods existed that was called a god

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wouldn't be considered a god anymore

frosty charm
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i think god is just a powerful and revered figure

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yknow pre actual gods

wanton pendant
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A semantic shift thing.

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It used to be a powerful, revered figure, now it means anyone who ascended.

pliant ruin
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its kinda like the word gay.

frosty charm
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they probably refered to the dragons as gods

frosty charm
wanton pendant
pliant ruin
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yep

wanton pendant
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Now it means gay.

pliant ruin
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now it means gay ‼️

visual kiln
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i wonder if theres people who use the older definition of the word

pliant ruin
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im sure theres people who still use gay to mean happy out there

zenith geode
pliant ruin
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not many tho

visual kiln
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actually the dragon cult

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might

wanton pendant
frosty charm
visual kiln
zenith geode
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weaver is from the distortion

wanton pendant
visual kiln
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🥀

pliant ruin
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no it does

frosty charm
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i know i just wanted to say that

pliant ruin
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canonized it

visual kiln
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oh ok

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meow

wanton pendant
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'Calamitas VS Australia'.

heavy zenith
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Wow, upon further reading I guess you guys are right, there's nothing that goes against AstralInf popping up after the WoF in the lore. I guess its just the wordplay they use makes it seem like it happened awhile back

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My bad

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frosty charm
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it's ok general zat guy... we forgive you!

visual kiln
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all the modern gods are fake gods

pliant ruin
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so are you gonna say "im gay" to say youre happy now

heavy zenith
visual kiln
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yes

pliant ruin
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so are you gay right now

visual kiln
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mhm

frosty charm
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yeah

pliant ruin
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nice

frosty charm
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so gay rn

visual kiln
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blip

pliant ruin
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blep

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i wonder if there were gods that where satan in some religions

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can you imagine that

visual kiln
pliant ruin
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ur just satan

frosty charm
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providence?

pliant ruin
frosty charm
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thats the closest i can think of

pliant ruin
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meh to me

woeful hatch
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Btw I just learned that the astral infection creatures have indeed just been mutated by sheer amounts of mana

This opens up for interesting storytelling possibilities

frosty charm
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she's the most outwardly malicious i think

pliant ruin
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i dont think there is such a thing as GOd Propaganda

frosty charm
woeful hatch
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Preachers, and such

frosty charm
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insert that poster of uncle sam pointing

pliant ruin
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Not what i'm talking about

woeful hatch
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That's God propaganda

pliant ruin
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I dislike the notion of "God Propaganda" because it's generalizing

long bloom
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do you have a notion account

wanton pendant
frosty charm
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i don't think so

long bloom
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notes app

young socket
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permafrost is a mage

frosty charm
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yeah never heard of it

wanton pendant
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I have a good general idea of the timeline.

icy veldt
visual kiln
frosty charm
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i can make one real quick

pliant ruin
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I don't think there was any sort of collective effort to make dragons fall out of picture, i think it's just a thing that happened. Maybe it was a thing in some gods did but like

frosty charm
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is this it

pliant ruin
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Just a few of them doing it wouldn't really

pliant ruin
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be enough to change that

split mortar
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Wawa

pliant ruin
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what the fuck happened btw

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this chat went from a normal conversation to brainrot in the spam of me literally just typing up a message

long bloom
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ignore the ai

pliant ruin
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like literally while i was typing the message it completely fell apart

wanton pendant
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It's quite hard to.

woeful hatch
young socket
wanton pendant
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God of Dogma probably did a lot of propaganda.

pliant ruin
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I don't like calling it a dragon genocide for that reason tbh

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To me its more of a

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extinction

frosty charm
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alright im gonna move to dms rq so i don't flood the chat with questions

pliant ruin
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Not to say it's good that it happened

woeful hatch
pliant ruin
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But to call it genocide imo just dosen't feel right given it implies a organized effort to rid the world of a specific group

frosty charm
visual kiln
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ask questions

frosty charm
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about notion

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lol

visual kiln
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questions are better than brainrot

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nvm

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🥀

frosty charm
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i do have more questions about the lore but

woeful hatch
frosty charm
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yeah im just gonna do this before i get distracted again

pliant ruin
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im gonna be so real i didn't realize the notion thing was in response to an actual question and thought it was just some stupid inside joke

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so i just assumed it was brainrot because when it comes to this chat thats my first instinct

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sorry gang

frosty charm
visual kiln
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it is brainrot

visual kiln
frosty charm
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shrug

woeful hatch
frosty charm
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i'm OBVIOUSLY feeding this chat into generative ai so they'll answer my lore questions for me...

wanton pendant
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If you want to check if their timeline is accurate, you can ask me.

visual kiln
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tbh im thinking that the gods individually wouldn't rlly be seen religiously all that much

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not like the god from the bible or anything

frosty charm
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byeah ive decided to actually plan for the story and i'm doing the worldbuilding

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since it's not my world

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i have a lot of questions so i'll be here for a while

visual kiln
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i think it'd be more like how people treated the greek or egyptian gods back in the day

wheat walrus
visual kiln
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alternatively they'd be seen more politically than religiously

wanton pendant
woeful hatch
visual kiln
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kinda like celebrities irl

wheat walrus
split mortar
visual kiln
split mortar
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Dont teach this chat both

wanton pendant
pliant ruin
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both gods and political figures

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like egyptian pharaohs

visual kiln
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nationalism for example can be seen as worshipping something

frosty charm
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uhhh oh yeah next importnat thing is cultures
are there any real like, living cultures

heavy zenith
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Several people are typing...

wheat walrus
visual kiln
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but its also seen more politically than religiously

frosty charm
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or is the world just mostly empty

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minus the town npcs

split mortar
woeful hatch
frosty charm
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oh yeah the lihzards

visual kiln
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i wish we learned more about cultures in calamity

frosty charm
wanton pendant
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So, most of the heartlands peoples are probably all dead or fled.

visual kiln
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they're the most interesting thing about worldbuilding other than cosmology imo

frosty charm
wanton pendant
frosty charm
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a... rain world...

pliant ruin
visual kiln
wheat walrus
wanton pendant
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Finding ways to avoid making France real.

pliant ruin
heavy zenith
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Definitely can't wait to learn more about the Ilmeran Tribes

visual kiln
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oh true

frosty charm
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so yeah what cultures are there that are still around

visual kiln
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yea thats also interesting

wheat walrus
pliant ruin
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cosmology is tbh the least interesting to me most of the time kinda ?

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not to say i think its boring

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but i like culture/history and ecology just like more

wheat walrus
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Cosmology depends

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Agreed

wanton pendant
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Azafurian, mostly dead, Ilmerian, mostly dead, Chrysadian, very dead, Lihzahrd, peak.

heavy zenith
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What is Chrysadia

frosty charm
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where do the town npcs come from since i doubt they're all azafurians and the rest seem relatively unlikely

frosty charm
wanton pendant
split mortar
frosty charm
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neener neener i said it first

visual kiln
wheat walrus
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Canada

wanton pendant
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Guide, Demolitionist and Tax Collector I think were Azafurian.

visual kiln
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@supple storm this is ur cue to talk aobut worldbuilding imo >:3

split mortar
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Idk much the info on em

frosty charm
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yea i know of the guide and the tax collector makes sense

wheat walrus
wanton pendant
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You missed magic system discussion, now it's nationality discussion.

supple storm
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yo nationalities

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based

visual kiln
visual kiln
wheat walrus
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World-Cleanser

wanton pendant
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Found the Paradox fan.

supple storm
wanton pendant
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I never denied it.

supple storm
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im not either 😎

supple storm
wanton pendant
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Yes.

split mortar
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Yes

young socket
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guys ive come to a relevation

wanton pendant
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But, like, that's not exactly obscure.

split mortar
young socket
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permafrost is a mage

wanton pendant
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NO!

young socket
wanton pendant
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Yeah, catboy.

split mortar
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Not a catboy

pliant ruin
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calamitas seems to be like Native azafurian or wtv

icy veldt
pliant ruin
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she has the gray skin and horns n shi

wheat walrus
wanton pendant
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She's also the Azafurian race, for lack of a better term.

frosty charm
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so yeah the things i'm worried about are

  • magic system (water helped me with it and i'm just making stuff up atp)
  • big events (someone else is helping me with it)
  • cultures (still in the dark, kinda important since the main character "comes from" chrysadia so it'd be nice to write around the culture of it)
wanton pendant
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The others we know of weren't of the race.

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I mean, it wouldn't be the same as the Chrysadia that once was.

icy veldt
wanton pendant
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And they were like, Greek or something?

wanton pendant
pliant ruin
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tax collector was azafurian but everyone hated him for being a capitalist greedy asshole

frosty charm
pliant ruin
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so they cursed him and threw him out

split mortar
frosty charm
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they just pick up on what's left of it

pliant ruin
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melon i'm immortalizing this

young socket
pliant ruin
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you literally just confirmed it

split mortar
frosty charm
wanton pendant
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It was also decided.

heavy zenith
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Really wish we could have a lore channel that doesn't talk about dev "confirmations"

wanton pendant
frosty charm
pliant ruin
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I mean that seems like a very arbitrary limitation to put on things

split mortar
wanton pendant
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Lore document doesn't use confirmations.

pliant ruin
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If you want to only go of what's ingame you can... just check what's ingame

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Just take anything that's stated by devs with a big ol grain of salt

visual kiln
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meow

frosty charm
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my internet died this is so freaking sad

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oh im back

heavy zenith
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Bc I can read the entire lore document and then discuss it without someone bringing up a dev confirmation i just think it shouldn't be used if it isn't in game

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But that's just me

split mortar
wanton pendant
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It may be in game in the future.

heavy zenith
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May

pliant ruin
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Yeha, again

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just atke it with a grain of salt

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It's just that shrimple

wanton pendant
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Or do you want to learn more about Yharim Fought The Sun Theory. Only in game stuff on that one.

heavy zenith
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But we preach terms like Chrysadia as gospel now

wanton pendant
heavy zenith
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But its not in game

frosty charm
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uhh for the chrysadians is there anything like, super notable you think someone that was stuck up there would pick up on
they probably really liked the dragons but i cant think of much else

wanton pendant
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It will be. Eventually.

visual kiln
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im curious

split mortar
pliant ruin
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i mean

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xeroc also isnt ever namedropped

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in the game

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or noxus

heavy zenith
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Or Tyrian

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Thats my point

cosmic zenith
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Xeroc is namedropped silly....

frosty charm
pliant ruin
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It's not treating it like gospel, it's just. Why would we limit ourselves to not discuss it lol?

split mortar
heavy zenith
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Oh yeah he is lmao I forgot

pliant ruin
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It's part of the lore, chances are its being added, what's the point in not discussing it

wanton pendant
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So, me and Melongun were talking about how Yharim knew about Xeroc, so they asked how the hell does Yharim know how strong Xeroc is, so we eventually concluded they may have fought in between the assassination attempt and the Exo Suit upgrade.

cosmic zenith
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Noxus isn't in WotG

pliant ruin
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It's a pointless arbitrary limitation that's remedied simply by like

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Keeping in mind: If it's not ingame, not fully confirmed

frosty charm
young socket
pliant ruin
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right he does

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forgot abt that

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mb gang

cosmic zenith
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Also Chrysadia specifically is being namedropped next update

frosty charm
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im going off of the clouded acropolis teaser

pliant ruin
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(Specifically also because like

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(If we only went of things ingame

wanton pendant
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Also, that answered the question I had earlier, Yharim DOES know Xeroc's name.

cosmic zenith
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It would have been released fairly soon, since it's part of the Vanilla Bestiary Rewrite, but SSO moment

pliant ruin
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(this chat would like have already ran out of things to talk about by now to be honest

pliant ruin
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Save for introducing new chat members to the lore

visual kiln
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i remember that

cosmic zenith
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It already has

young socket
visual kiln
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there were like no dev lore drops

young socket
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where everyone was waiting for anything

visual kiln
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lore discussion mutated

wanton pendant
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That's why we need to keep up theory production so we don't all go insane.

young socket
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then bam fucking

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biggest lore dump

visual kiln
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boss rush dialogue iirc

frosty charm
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i think it'd make sense for someone who's only really been in (what's left of) chrysadia to have some sort of adoration for the dragons right? since i imagine the chrysonai liked the dragons a lot for giving them the place (if the text is to be taken at face value)

wanton pendant
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So we get new innovations, like Yharim Fought The Sun Theory, Moon's Haunted Theory, and Birthday Theory.

frosty charm
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probably wrote and drew about the dragons being super cool before they died

young socket
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permafrost is a mage theory

wanton pendant
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Yeah, since one of the Dragons basically made the archipelago.

frosty charm
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terrarian isnt yharim theory

wanton pendant
frosty charm
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that broke apart bcuz of ML

young socket
frosty charm
wanton pendant
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Yharim's A Furry Theory.

visual kiln
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Draedon’s from space theory

wanton pendant
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Out.

magic epoch
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Yharon can rebirth theory

visual kiln
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moon lord distortion theory

wanton pendant
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Terrarian Isn't You Theory.

magic epoch
visual kiln
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astrum deus distortion theory

magic epoch
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aquatic scourge distortion theory

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(??)

wanton pendant
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Yharim Distortion Theory.

frosty charm
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yharim IS the distortion theory

young socket
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we should be asking the real questions

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lije

split mortar
young socket
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how fishrons can teleport

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seriously wats up with that

split mortar
visual kiln
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wait @supple storm sorry for pinging again but u should ask about martian lore i think u’d find it extremely interesting

wanton pendant
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Moon Lord Screwed Up Mars First Theory.

young socket
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its like 2 sentences of lore cuz we know so little of wat actually happened

frosty charm
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martian lore

magic epoch
split mortar
magic epoch
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(pigrons and duke)

frosty charm
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they invade us and get neg diffed by wood (pre update)

wanton pendant
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Yeah, gotta come up with a better name for that theory.

young socket
split mortar
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Moonlord space conquerer theory that is a conglomerate of multiple ml theories

frosty charm
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oh yeah do any of you guys have an idea on how we'd get into the aerie
like i know there's no confirmation i'm just asking for ideas. waterwraith told me of an idea where draedon gives you something to open a tear and calamitas guards it and i like that idea but some other ideas would be nice to hear

wanton pendant
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Moon Lord Is One Of A Species Theory... now that's a horrifying idea.

icy veldt
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Would Calamitas react negatively to being nicknamed "goober"?

frosty charm
icy veldt
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Darn

frosty charm
long bloom
visual kiln
frosty charm
wanton pendant
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Using Exo Tech to power a portal, without his assistance.

young socket
frosty charm
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damn i was too slow

young socket
split mortar
wanton pendant
supple storm
wanton pendant
split mortar
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True

frosty charm
split mortar
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Oh ok

frosty charm
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unless you mean xeroc rock phone

woeful hatch
split mortar
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Xeroc doesnt have one afaik

frosty charm
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yeah but he has an item called a rock so

frosty charm
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hence them needing the help of draedon, and needing calamitas to go away

woeful hatch
wanton pendant
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Draedon's loot allows the portal to be repaired/powered, while Calamitas prevents this without being defeated.

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That was the general idea I had.

split mortar
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Wawa

frosty charm
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yea

frosty charm
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idk

woeful hatch
wanton pendant
frosty charm
wanton pendant
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She isn't just... standing there all day.

frosty charm
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she checks her watch

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damn it's midnight and the terrarian still hasn't come

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look below the island

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terrarian is getting melted by ares

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oh

wanton pendant
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The idea was more so for a hypothetical gameplay justification for the boss fights/access method to the Aerie. (Honestly, I'd have had the portal in some castle/fortress Yharim governed from.)

frosty charm
wanton pendant
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So you could fight them in either order, but you'd still need to beat both.

frosty charm
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so i included it lol

woeful hatch
wanton pendant
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Maybe Miracle Matter is needed.

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Since Draedon never figured it out himself.

woeful hatch
wanton pendant
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Yharim had Yharon.

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I doubt we're going in the same way he does.

woeful hatch
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Aka, just have auric work to open the portal

wanton pendant
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The idea is that the power of a Dragon is needed to open the portal... or something so powerful it can simply pull it off, like the endless power of Exo Prisms, or perhaps Miracle Matter. Auric Tesla needs a pseudo-bond to function, and if that were the case there's no need to fight Draedon and Calamitas.

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So the pseudo-bonded Auric Tesla probably doesn't qualify.

frosty charm
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i know it isn't really canon compliant but

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i have to make something up and i liked the idea

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well i guess i didn't have to make much up since water did that for me but

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still

woeful hatch
wanton pendant
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Yeah, that's why Calamitas stops you at the portal, to mandate fighting her.
And Draedon doesn't know how to reach Yharim, we have to figure it out, so making it require stuff from him makes sense, otherwise there's no need to fight him.

frosty charm
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"hey terrarian fight my exo mechs"
no fuck off
": ("

woeful hatch
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And IMO it makes more sense than an hypothetical "you need to make an entirely new thing, entirely unrelated to the previous way to access it, for it to work"

It's not ENTIRELY illogical, but idk it feels weird

wanton pendant
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The other alternative is that Yharim just opens the portal for you.

woeful hatch
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Also now that I think about it, if draedon doesn't know about the portal

How does Scal know

frosty charm
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i mean i assume draedon would know if he gave you the stuff to open it

wanton pendant
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Considering Dreadon's dialogue, it may have taken him some time to conclude it may require a portal. And it is possible to keep secrets from Draedon.

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Perhaps the 'portal' is something that appears entirely inert without knowing it's a portal.

woeful hatch
dusk laurel
wanton pendant
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The scientist has a tendency to snoop.

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And he tells secrets to those he grooms, he tells the Terrarian about Xeroc, after all.

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It's not unreasonable if he shared such secrets with Calamitas in a similar effort.

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And she certainly wouldn't tell Draedon.

leaden bridge
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draedon makes it pretty explicit both yharon and yharim kept as much god dragon related stuff from him as possible

frosty charm
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i wouldn't put it above draedon to just snoop as hard as he can until he finds a way to listen

leaden bridge
frosty charm
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also real quick, the four main (calamity) kingdoms/cities are

  • ilmeris (gone)
  • azafure (gone)
  • chrysadia (gone)
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right

wanton pendant
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That's three.

frosty charm
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i said four

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but i couldnt think of the fourth

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lol

wanton pendant
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Yharim's Empire (Functionally Holy Roman Empire).

heavy zenith
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Lihzards

wanton pendant
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Also yes, Lihzahrds.

frosty charm
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id say lihzards are terraria byeah

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also isn't yharims empire more metaphorical

wanton pendant
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Still canon.

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Again, close to HRE.

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Technically unified, but not really.

woeful hatch
# woeful hatch Ah I see, Anyways, personally I'd justify Draedon by just having the main chara...

Let me make an hypothetical timeline for the events of the fanfic, which imo would make most sense:

  • Player kills yharon, doesn't know how to proceed, so contacts draedon in hopes of him telling them how to reach Yharim
  • Draedon makes them fight exos, then tells them "yeah there's theoretically this portal somewhere but idk where it is or where it brings or how to open it GL lol"
  • player recognizes description, goes there
  • Scal ambush near portal, player defeats her, opens portal with auric tesla

This makes it so the player would need to beat draedon and scal, and the portal stuff stays entirely related to dragons which explains why nobody could open it beforehand

wanton pendant
#

Yeah I think that was the idea?

frosty charm
#

yea

woeful hatch
naive storm
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There was a dragon for everything right? So there was a dragon of hot dogs?

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XD

wanton pendant
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Not how this works, and are you sure you want to play with fire again?

woeful hatch
naive storm
#

Oh

wanton pendant
#

Somewhere under 3k at most I think.

frosty charm
#

there was obviously a sausage dragon

long bloom
woeful hatch
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Like, yeah each dragon had domains, and they probably overlapped a fair bit with each other, but there weren't dragons for super specific concepts like "dragon of one specific type of food" lol

naive storm
#

Sad

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It would be cool

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Dragon of hot dogs

wanton pendant
#

You got deadly sins, and by that logic heavenly virtues, basic elements, mortality, the sun, all the classics.

woeful hatch
#

Then there's rebirth

naive storm
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So who was the dragon of lust?

long bloom
#

your mom

woeful hatch
naive storm
wanton pendant
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Life, Death, Rebirth.

naive storm
heavy zenith
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Dragon of Magic would be cool

woeful hatch
#

We don't know nearly any dragons, we just know yharon, zerastros, dragon of gluttony, and iirc from outside info, dragon of night?

But other than that, it's mostly just speculation. Idk if we know what dragons Silva, Agnus or Providence ate for example

long bloom
#

didn't silva eat the dragon of life

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and providence, the dragon of flame

naive storm
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O think providence absorbed the dragon of fire or rage

long bloom
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and i think agnus ate the dragon of death

heavy zenith
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Flames but yeah

wanton pendant
woeful hatch
wanton pendant
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Because he kills part of himself for others.

woeful hatch
#

Yeah but that's not really killing parts of himself, that's giving them up

Yeah you're killing cells but that's different

icy veldt
#

From death to preventing death, maybe?

heavy zenith
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Perfect cell

wanton pendant
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Didn't he kill himself so others could live, like Jesus?

naive storm
#

So my headcannon for my terrarian is that he is the dragonborn but he is mad that there is no dragons to kill

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Until he knows about yharon existence

long bloom
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there's one dragon to kill

wanton pendant
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Except, you don't know how.

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So, uh, you specifically can't be the Dragonborn.

naive storm
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Isnt the terrarian whatever we want?

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So for me he is the dragonborn

woeful hatch
long bloom
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within reason

heavy zenith
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Literally you are anything but the dragonborn

naive storm
#

Sry i just got addicted to Skyrim again

wanton pendant
naive storm
wanton pendant
naive storm
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But imagine if the dragonborn goes to the calamity world before the dragons death

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He would turn into a omnipotent being

wanton pendant
#

No.

heavy zenith
#

The Terrarian is a disguised Astrum Deus

long bloom
#

then you would be extremely old

naive storm
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Bcs he would absorb all dragons

wanton pendant
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Dragonborn isnt' that strong.

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There's one dragon.

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One soul to get.

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So he can learn one shout.

icy veldt
naive storm
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As i said if he was in the calamity world before the dragons being killed

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He would kill all dragons and absorb them

wanton pendant
naive storm
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And be unstoplable

wanton pendant
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All that for some shouts.

naive storm
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Its worth

wanton pendant
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Also, you become Polterghast.

icy veldt
wanton pendant
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Yay!

wanton pendant
icy veldt
#

Desperation

frosty charm
naive storm
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To kill yharim i think

wanton pendant
#

Intriguing, go on.

icy veldt
#

Like if that future was dark enough

woeful hatch
#

The terrarian is one of draedon's rogue creations that acquired sentience after a malfunction, and due to their newborn conscience being pure and naive , they've decided the only way to help the world around them is to kill Yharim

naive storm
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I think calamitas would use the time machine to kill yharim

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Before he gets strong asf

wanton pendant
icy veldt
heavy zenith
#

You could just be like the Terminator

wanton pendant
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Then you run into the question of why doesn't future Calamitas just tell Calamitas something only she would know to prove they're the same person.

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Instead of fighting.

icy veldt
woeful hatch
# wanton pendant Then you run into the issue of Draedon not recognizing you.

He's simply keeping up the act to see where it goes, he doesn't want you to have an existential crisis which would interfere with this accidental experiment

In fact the only reason he can know what you're doing is because you're his machine still

(Btw this is a joke, I haven't used this sort of lore for a terrarian yet)

wanton pendant
wanton pendant
naive storm
#

So what would happen if calamitas go back in time and kill yharim

wanton pendant
#

Depends on when she kills him.

icy veldt
heavy zenith
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It'd be cool if she like goes back only a year or so to assist Braelor and Statis

long bloom
heavy zenith
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But then like time travel ruins every story so no

wanton pendant
naive storm
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I know a few rly good time travel historys: steins gate, link click, back to the future

wanton pendant
#

Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask...

naive storm
#

Steins gate and link click are peak anime

wanton pendant
#

They aren't games?

naive storm
#

They are animes

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I recommend both

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Both are goated animes

fierce pagoda
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Ocarina of times time travel messes with my head

heavy zenith
frosty charm
#

does pre cultist seem like a good enough spot to put a storm weaver cameo/p1 fight for storm weaver

frosty charm
#

cool beans

jaunty wraith
#

New lore yharim when yharon dies : well this stinks

Old lore yharim when yharon dies:

leaden locust
#

h

visual kiln
#

h

lunar island
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Between Yharon, his son Akato, and the things with draconic descent like the dragonfolly, why doesnt draedon like. clone the dragons

long bloom
#

about not cloning them idk

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maybe it's too hard

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or it'd be useless since i doubt the clones would also have auric souls

pliant ruin
#

Yeah

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The auric souls aren't part of the dragons biology

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As seen by the offshoots, who are quite literally dragons born but who were never given an auric soul because, well. damn thigns ran out

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Draedon could clone dragons, it's just, he has no real rreason to

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The reason he cloned Calamitas was because due to how mysterious her powers are, he was wondering if a genetic clone would have them aswell

long bloom
#

soul cloning when clueless

pliant ruin
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Which as we can see yeah failed, as calclone initially was kind of just. normal ass girl

north root
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auric souls were made by auros the auricist

jaunty wraith
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Im getting tired and kept reading auric souls as "autistic souls"

long bloom
#

that's my soul

north root
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autistic souls were made by autos the autistic

frosty charm
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what's storm weaver lore again

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all i remember is baby dog (which is prob outdated)
like i know he slipped out of the distortion and likes to eat stuff in chrysadia (prob the folly and harpies and slimes n stuff) but is there anything else, like is he as SAPIENT (i realized the word) as DoG or naw

thick slate
#

worm steaver

twilit aspen
#

how is Amidias pronounced i always say uh-middy-is

thick slate
#

uh my dee ess

fallen kindle
frosty charm
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good

long bloom
#

there was a discussion about its sapience a while ago though

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you could search if devs gave any answers then

frosty charm
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nah i'm not too worried abt it

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just wrote the draft of the storm weaver fight

frail hearth
#

i like the funny babby yahron

pulsar ocean
#

baby yharim

frosty charm
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yarm

hushed jasper
heavy zenith
#

three words: Ilmeran Prime Minister

plucky juniper
#

didn’t know about autos though…

woeful hatch
#

What the fuck are you two talking about

twilit aspen
#

has anyone watched this video does he have his info straight

long bloom
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i recommend just asking here

wheat walrus
#

"i recommend just asking here" dev statements ain't it clueless

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ill watch the video when I can

long bloom
wheat walrus
#

what i was pointing at is if the wrong you're pointing out is him not taking dev statements from this server into consideration besides name reveals

long bloom
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ah ic

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no there's incorrect things that aren't not including statements

wheat walrus
#

hm

long bloom
#

like they say calamitas joined early in the crusade

wheat walrus
#

goat washed

long bloom
#

and all or most of the gods were organized and worked together

wheat walrus
#

goat washed truly

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one must cite sources in their informative video

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one must imagine sourcephus happy

long bloom
#

true

woeful hatch
#

I know, entirely way too late reply, but want to know the even more fucked up stuff? Perfect eclipses that last an entire day

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That means, for an entire rotation of the sun around the terraria planet , the sun and moon must be perfectly aligned

split mortar
#

And then moon visible the next night

woeful hatch
#

Yeah

woeful hatch
wanton pendant
#

Second Moon Theory:

woeful hatch
#

Ok so another lore question

We know the sun isn't a star in calamity, correct? And that means, the other stars aren't suns

We know other planets exist, however, because draedon wishes to study them further. But in that case, where are their suns?

young socket
#

(page 2 of the space log)

woeful hatch
young socket
#

yea

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doesnt mean they cant use it too

woeful hatch
#

I mean

wanton pendant
#

Orbits are screwed up.

young socket
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theyd have extremely fucked day cycles but theyd still have cycles

woeful hatch
woeful hatch
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How does that work

young socket
#

they

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dont need to orbit the sun??

woeful hatch
young socket
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it doesnt

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why are you fixating on orbits so much

split mortar
#

The sun orbits terraria
Terraria is within the planet system
Planets in that system get fucked and much darker day times due to not having a sun orbit them

woeful hatch
# young socket why are you fixating on orbits so much

Because that's how stuff sticks together in general

They're attracted by gravity to each other, and they spin around each other because of their motion

Planets that "are just there" in relation to the sun or the planet the sun is orbiting around feels really weird

wheat walrus
#

That or Gravity in Calamity is fucked, but I doubt

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As for the cluster of planets

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They could be keeping each other closer, or maybe there's a biggest planet or other cosmic object keeping them closer

wanton pendant
#

Magic Orbits:

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Or, you know, they're all orbiting a small black hole.

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In which case, forget Yharim, we have bigger problems.

wheat walrus
wheat walrus
wanton pendant
#

It's something I think is possible, but also greatly concerning.

wheat walrus
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To take it a step further, what if they're orbiting a distortion, maybe the distortion

wanton pendant
#

Distortion is a Black Hole Theory.

wheat walrus
wanton pendant
#

Wait, Ceaseless Void is kinda black hole themed, right?

wheat walrus
#

It would also help explain ML targeting Terraria

wheat walrus
woeful hatch
#

Nah, it constantly shoots out stuff

wanton pendant
#

Black holes do that at the end of their life.

woeful hatch
#

In reality they do it over time their whole life, but it's under form of radiation (hawking radiation)

wheat walrus
#

We know that creating rifts from the main world and the distortion requires lots of energy, but someone like Signus cannot keep them for long before they violently disperse this energy

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CV should work under the same principle, but far more efficient and powerful

wheat walrus
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And, tmk, an especially tiny black hole (like atom-small) would violently disperse all the radiation immediately

wheat walrus
wheat walrus
#

Interesting

leaden bridge
split mortar
#

Meow

hoary berry
#

nya

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wtf no lea channel

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nvm discord just took eight years to load

split mortar
#

Nya

hoary berry
#

mrrow

pulsar ocean
#

Gravity was made by xeroc so humans didn't progress as fast

wanton pendant
#

Unlikely. Gary Gravity is a far stronger contender.

leaden bridge
#

How would that even help

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Without gravity we'd be much different

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Progression can't really be compared

heavy zenith
wheat walrus
wanton pendant
#

As further penance, do a 100% playthrough of Pikmin.

heavy zenith
#

Please. Have mercy

split mortar
wanton pendant
heavy zenith
wheat walrus
wanton pendant
#

Goku?

wheat walrus
#

What made you like this¹

split mortar
wanton pendant
wheat walrus
#

Yharon is auristic

twilit aspen
#

what species of creature is draedon

wanton pendant
#

Robot.

twilit aspen
#

who made him ?

wanton pendant
#

Someone.

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They're dead now.

twilit aspen
#

fair enough

wanton pendant
#

They may also be Draedon, but nobody can prove that. It's just a theory.

twilit aspen
#

like time travel shenanigans or?

wanton pendant
#

No.

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Consciousness transfer.

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Or a botched one.

twilit aspen
#

ohhhhh

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i saw something about like interacting with the code breaker to get a bunch of dialogue with draedon but i couldn’t figure out how to do it in my world

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like u could ask him about a bunch of different things

wanton pendant
#

You have to make something.

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With Exo Prisms.

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Not using Magic Storage.

twilit aspen
#

oh i see

wanton pendant
#

This is how you learn about his backstory.

heavy zenith
#

he gives such amazing lore drops too

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love them dates fr

twilit aspen
#

wow how thorough

wanton pendant
#

He states the exact day the crusade started.

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His day of activation, and when he joined Yharim.

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The day he left Yharim can also be extrapolated.

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As well as the approximate year the game takes place.

twilit aspen
#

Oh i was literally gonna ask exactly that so that’s awesome, i was wondering how long it was between him coming around and him joining yharim

wanton pendant
#

(1887, about.)

heavy zenith
wanton pendant
#

And likely the first half of the year.

twilit aspen
#

so he was activated ~1780?

heavy zenith
#

oh yeah def, unless your speedrunning lmao

#

well, 1227

wanton pendant
#

He's old.

heavy zenith
#

but he worked in secrecy before Yharim ever started his crusade

wanton pendant
#

660 years old.

twilit aspen
#

jeez louise

wanton pendant
#

Yharon's over 2000.

twilit aspen
#

wait i think i asked this yesterday but Yharim is a human right?

wanton pendant
#

Yeah.

twilit aspen
#

how old is he

wanton pendant
#

130+

twilit aspen
#

so how does that manage to happen

zenith geode
#

peak human condition

wanton pendant
#

He has a dragon bff.

zenith geode
#

also attunement

twilit aspen
#

which characters are the biggest aura farmers

wanton pendant
#

Yharim.

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DoG.

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Young Calamitas.

twilit aspen
#

yeah dog was top of my list lol

wanton pendant
#

Permafrost.

twilit aspen
#

How much do we know about young Calamitas? All i was aware is that she was a kid growing up in azafure or did you mean like after she’d gotten her powers

heavy zenith
#

nah man its the Cnidrion

#

walking all slow and shi

wanton pendant
#

We know nearly nothing about pre-power Calamitas.

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She was likely poor and had no parents.

twilit aspen
#

I read something about one of her brothers doing mercenary work to put food on the table, so i see it

wanton pendant
#

Yeah, that's the main reasoning.

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Remaining family and needing to take up mercenary work implies they are orphans and impoverished.

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I believe that one is Catastrophe.

twilit aspen
#

dude when i read about her brothers being a brawler and a swordsman and when i realized those are the two guys you fight in the scal fight the holy shit moment in my brain was crazy

split mortar
#

Sadly theres like a 50% chance she accidentally killed her brothers

wanton pendant
#

The other 50% is Brimstone Elemental got them.

split mortar
#

Yeah

wanton pendant
#

Saw some cool fanart about it though.

twilit aspen
#

so they definitely died in the azafure battle?

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

Almost certainly.

split mortar
#

And so likely have been said

twilit aspen
#

what kind of parents name their kids cataclysm, catastrophe, and calamitas bro

wanton pendant
#

They are all nicknames.

split mortar
#

Calamitas isnt her name

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Its a monicker

twilit aspen
#

oh that makes a bit more sense

split mortar
#

Cataclysm and catastrophe also probably monickers

wanton pendant
#

Cataclysm is a stage name, Catastrophe was a moniker and Calamitas is what her enemies called her in fear I think.

twilit aspen
#

is there gonna be a lore drop that calamitas’ god given name is like susan

mighty zenith
#

monkey 💔

wanton pendant
wanton pendant
heavy zenith
#

Susan Strong?

wanton pendant
icy veldt
#

Her parent(s)-given name?

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Back before they died/went missing

wanton pendant
#

Fatty, fatty no-parents.

split mortar
#

We dunno scals real name

heavy zenith
#

parents name were Crisis and Chaos LOL imagine

wanton pendant
#

Clone's real name is probably BEC-00.

icy veldt
#

Didn't her name get erased from the universe when/after she started being called Calamitas?

split mortar
#

Brimstone
???
Clone

woeful hatch
wanton pendant
twilit aspen
#

i know azafure was one of the first cities to support yharims crusade against the gods

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

Before Azafure joined the crusade.

mighty zenith
#

she was just a nobody before becoming calamitas

mighty zenith
#

literally a little child in one of the most important cities in the world

heavy zenith
split mortar
#

It isnt out of the question brimmy was intentionally set off by an opposing force iirc

heavy zenith
#

so azafure burned twice?

#

when he refused god-king and when brimmy woke up later?

wanton pendant
#

Yharim refused the gods, Azafure sided with him, most of a crusade later Azafure is destroyed.

#

Way later.

heavy zenith
#

I guess it could've just taken that long to awaken Brim

wanton pendant
#

We don't know precisely what awoke the Elemental.

split mortar
#

All that scheming and decades of time spent to awaken the brimstone elemental
And
A child absorbs her power and yharim now has a soldier who can delete directions at the cost of a single city

wanton pendant
#

Assuming she did absorb it and some other bizarre occurrence happened.

split mortar
#

I swear it were said somewhere lemme look

#

Oh it was leaked by a patreon member on accident thinking it was public

heavy zenith
#

nah draedon just found that their energy was nigh identical with some "key differences"

#

ohhh your talking about leaks nvm

split mortar
#

Scal was completely normal in magic before brimmy awoken

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iirc

wanton pendant
#

It's what I think too, if we're honest.

split mortar
#

And then

#

Suddenly

wanton pendant
#

She just locked in and figured out magic, obviously.

split mortar
#

She has near identical magic that is equal to brimmy and specialises in the same magics and brimmy later on (when we fight her) is early hardmode boss

wanton pendant
#

The power also can drive people mad, and the Elemental seems furious!

pliant ruin
#

Like her actual name

#

Given that Azafure as a whole seems to have spanish cultural inspirations

wanton pendant
#

Different from the idea I had.

pliant ruin
#

(I mean, Azafure is literally Sulphur in spanish)

twilit aspen
#

what’s a Certain Place ?

wanton pendant
#

Don't worry about it.

pliant ruin
#

(Or well, really close to it anyways)

#

Sulphur in spanish is Azufre so like.

wanton pendant
#

They just changed it a little.

manic coral
#

this is why I thought it'd be funny if a spanish translate called it like "Solphure" or something

wanton pendant
#

Good idea!

split mortar
twilit aspen
#

why am i being gatekept

wanton pendant
#

Don't worry about it.

split mortar
#

Don’t worry about it

twilit aspen
#

i’m gonna figure it out

wanton pendant
#

Don't worry about it.

split mortar
#

Don’t worry about it.

mighty zenith
#

there is no secret in lore discussion.

twilit aspen
#

oh i found a funny message from about half a year ago

split mortar
#

Ok

wanton pendant
#

Don't worry about it.

twilit aspen
#

i’ll leave it be

wanton pendant
#

Good.

twilit aspen
#

why couldn’t ilmeris just use the bottomless water bucket

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or the ilmerians i should say

split mortar
#

Calamitas had bottomlesser brimstone bucket

wanton pendant
#

Calamitas was better at clicking.

twilit aspen
#

wait what do i make to talk to draedon at the computer? does he just want me to make a single exoweapon?

wanton pendant
#

Anything.

#

With Exo Prisms.

#

Using Draedon's Forge.

twilit aspen
#

so i’m assuming anything with miracle matter too since it’s a subcomponent?

#

can i just shimmer my sword and recraft it at the forge

#

i think i should be able to

wanton pendant
#

Yeah, no reason why not.

plucky lichen
wanton pendant
#

Don't worry about it.

twilit aspen
#

yeah i definitely thing a consciousness transfer is likely. if the dead scientist (presuming to be draedon) had already attached some of their own inventions to their body i don’t think it’s a big jump for them to try and transfer to a new one instead of upgrade the old one

split mortar
#

How the fuck did they get the tech for it tho

twilit aspen
#

that is a fantastic question

#

what the hell was this scientist doing in literally the 1200s with technology from almost 1000 years in the future

wanton pendant
#

It's fantasy 1227, not real life 1227.

twilit aspen
#

fair enough but presumably it’s still advanced for the time

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

He was locked in.

twilit aspen
#

(not finished reading the logs so don’t spoil if this gets answered) so what does draedon actually learn about exotech from us fighting it that he doesn’t already know

wanton pendant
#

He learns about miracle Matter after the fight.

twilit aspen
#

ohhhh how convenient for us

wanton pendant
#

Insane theory: Draedon is actually the creation of the God of Science or something, and that's why he has no soul or memories as Godly Souls can't survive the procedure.

icy veldt
twilit aspen
#

i guess so. we help him with information and technology and he helps us get some extra firepower

icy veldt
twilit aspen
#

“i will continue until i am eliminated or reach the universe’s scientific ceiling” goes so hard

wanton pendant
#

Wow, don't rip me off like that.

split mortar
twilit aspen
#

so is the planet we’re on called Terraria or is it like the whole universe or what

icy veldt
twilit aspen
#

ok ok

wanton pendant
split mortar
#

The world name you input is the name of the continent iirc (often referred to as heartlands here since its a devs headcanon)

icy veldt
wanton pendant
split mortar
#

D:

twilit aspen
#

so did all the gods and dragons and such originate from Terraria? i don’t remember where i saw this but i remember seeing that the only ppl from a different place were DoG, ML, and the distortion guy

icy veldt
wanton pendant
split mortar
#

Not lore accurate afaik

wanton pendant
#

Anything from Distortion or Space is not from Terraria.

split mortar
icy veldt
#

The Sun is made of Primordial Light, which belongs to Zeratros and then Xeroc. So it may kinda be from Terraria

wanton pendant
#

Ok, in the off chance a martian showed up, killed a dragon, and became a god, there could be a space god.

split mortar
#

A nonzero chance theres a god from space but its hella unlikely

icy veldt
#

A Martian showed up too late to kill a dragon and ascend, so he just sat and cried 😔

twilit aspen
#

but there’s life out in space right? i mean there has to be if there’s other DoGs and there’s martians right?

wanton pendant
#

DoG isn't from space.

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And martians are barely alive.

split mortar
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DoG is from distortion not outer space

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Deus exists tho

twilit aspen
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ohhhh i was thinking of dues i meant dues