lore-discussion

[naive storm]

Yharim killed the goddess of bees?

[wanton pendant]

That was a joke lads.

[naive storm]

[pliant ruin]

please go do your homework

[cloud ibex]

if you ever say something like this again i'm breaking your knees

shut up

[frosty charm]

so humanity is stronger than xeroc

[frosty charm]

dunno the context but spit yo shit goupert funkerdinckle

[wanton pendant]

How many nukes is equal to a humanity?

[frosty charm]

~2000

[wanton pendant]

Could Xeroc tank 2000 nukes?

[frosty charm]

i mean are they magic or regular nukes

[wanton pendant]

We know he could take one. But 2000 is a lot of nukes.

[frosty charm]

nuke ladder

[wanton pendant]

What could magic do to make nukes better?

[frosty charm]

elemental nukes

[jaunty wraith]

Damn that could go hard, instead of a giant fireball, we got a nuke that freezes everything to near zero temperatures

[naive storm]

Why ?

Its just a question

[cloud ibex]

because there are minors in this server

[naive storm]

Oh

Mb

[frosty charm]

what do you guys think the literature of chrysadia focused on

[icy veldt]

I don't think the collective literature of any civilization can really be said to have a singular focus

[frosty charm]

since it was quite secluded

[frosty charm]

fair

[wanton pendant]

They likely had a big focus on renewing things, due to the lack of natural resources, and anything non-renewable was obtained via trade.

But of course, an entire civilization would write about more than one thing.

Unless they were all really boring and loved nothing but making cement, I guess?

[icy veldt]

Cement elemental

[jaunty wraith]

Sounds like a younger stone elemental

[random mulch]

how specific can elementals get

[icy veldt]

Uranium elemental (Draedon's favorite)

[visual kiln]

Uranium elemental 🔥

[jaunty wraith]

Draedons waifu

[random mulch]

ethanol elemental

[jaunty wraith]

Estrogen elemental

[visual kiln]

True

[fierce sandal]

Da fuck is the ancient doomsayer? Never heard of that

[long bloom]

really old removed boss

one of the 3 "future bosses"

[jaunty wraith]

Damn I dont even rememebr that

I know devourer of universes was a thing

[violet wraith]

lunatic cultist superboss

[jaunty wraith]

I think there was a third one too

[eager bluff]

dragon god yharon

[long bloom]

john contradiction

[eager bluff]

a johntradiction if you will

[random mulch]

yharon simply absorbed a human soul

[jaunty wraith]

The ultimate uno reverse card

[split mortar]

Ancient doomsayer is the future boss of lunatic cultist that was removed years ago
Idk the context of the new stuff

[long bloom]

the context is: cd thinks the concept is cool so they made a theme for a hypothetical bossfight for an addon or something

[icy veldt]

What if Yharon absorbs his own soul? Does he become twice as powerful or disappear completely?

[long bloom]

said addon might actually be made

but huge maybe

[jaunty wraith]

I dont think dragons can absorb dragons souls

[random mulch]

people should lie more

[split mortar]

What happens if you take bites out of yourself
Pain and potential death

[icy veldt]

I've tried that before. It made me more powerful, but then I had to spend time recharging my mana

[icy veldt]

IIRC it's theoretically possible, but such a massive taboo that none of the dragons ever did it

[split mortar]

Them fighting is already a gigantic sign shit has gone down if one perma killed the other they would prob get jumped in every direction by auric dragons

[distant smelt]

Be really funny if in the impossible hypothetical scenario they ended up the slime god of dragons

[jaunty wraith]

Wait can you absorb more then 1 auric soul?

[light linden]

yes but it wouldn't be pleasant

[light linden]

if any did yharim would've turbo killed them for it

[pliant ruin]

would he

I feel like it could go many different ways but none of them are good for him

[eager bluff]

yes

a dragon absorbing another dragons soul is like

[pliant ruin]

For one his entire worldview would probably be shattered or at the very least he'd have to super gaslight himself even more than he already is

[eager bluff]

equivalent to any given religions original sin in terms of severity

[frosty charm]

something i wonder abt calamity is if dragons would be depicted as evil like they are here

since they were mostly benevolent creatures maybe they're depicted as the good guys

[icy veldt]

Yharon claims they were benevolent protectors, but it's up to 🫵YOU🫵 whether you believe him or not

[frosty charm]

yeah im talking abt fictional depictions

like how maleficent is a dragon and dragons are typically considered evil in media

[icy veldt]

OH WAIT, you mean like recursive fiction? Works that are written as/known to be fiction by in-universe characters?

[frosty charm]

yea

[cloud ibex]

depends on the region probably

irl whether or not dragons are seen as good or bad varies from culture to culture

[icy veldt]

I see. I don't think most people would know much of anything about dragons, so their portrayal in fiction would be rare; at least, accurate portrayals

I suppose there might be some writers who portray dragons that are completely unrelated to actual Auric dragons

[cloud ibex]

some places in cal probably saw dragons as chill figures overall while some places that lived next to Supreme Evil Dickhead Bastard Dragon would probably see dragons as demons essentially

[distant smelt]

theoretically you'd probably turn into turbo polterghast

[icy veldt]

What if you just cut out the middleman and absorbed Polterghast directly?

[split mortar]

You get assimilated into polterghast

[distant smelt]

You think you can absorb polterghast?

[icy veldt]

Poke a straw into it and drink

[wanton pendant]

Chrysadians probably liked dragons.

[north root]

the dragon god of cannibalism

[wanton pendant]

If I remember, by the third one you're already Polterghast, and would be hard pressed to go further. By four you could audition for live action Undertale.

[icy veldt]

I have a confession to make

[wanton pendant]

God.

[icy veldt]

I have never played Undertale

[wanton pendant]

I have it. It cost 1.

[icy veldt]

I bet you thought that was going to be way worse, didn't you?

[north root]

no

[wanton pendant]

What do you think. I'm experienced in your ways.

[icy veldt]

Tbh I don't really find its apparent message of "killing your enemies = bad" to be very appealing

[wanton pendant]

Actually the message is more a commentary on the way people approach RPG games.

[icy veldt]

Metacommentary

[sinful adder]

It's not even about that. It's that these shouldn't be considered your enemies under reasonable circumstances

Well, that's part of it

[wanton pendant]

At worst your main enemies only fight you as a means to save their people, at best they literally aren't aware they're attacking you.

[icy veldt]

Meh, I don't really care much for excuses

[sinful adder]

Wow

You're a horrible person

[icy veldt]

👍

[visual kiln]

hwo r they excuses

[wanton pendant]

'Our people have been sealed away in a war we didn't ask for or deserve, we have little choice but to fight back against those responsible as the only method of salvation is via their deaths,' is a pretty good reason.

[north root]

"killing random people = bad" is an excuse obviously

[icy veldt]

Huh, I didn't know about that part. I guess it kinda changes stuff, but at the same time, if someone attacks you and you spare them, you're basically gambling your life on that person being reasonable

[woeful karma]

eren jaeger speech bubble

[wanton pendant]

Most monsters are indicated to literally not know magic is dangerous to humans.

They're just trying to show you their cool magic tricks.

[icy veldt]

Fascinating 🤔

[woeful karma]

yeah
and the ones who are trying to kill you are doing it to free their people from eternal imprisonment

[north root]

if i could read i'd be a idk a oneshot fan or something

unfortunately i am here

[wanton pendant]

Also, legally, they are at war with you.

[woeful karma]

i mean that does also make attacking you a war crime (child

[wanton pendant]

How are they meant to know you're a child?
You could just be short, they haven't seen any humans.

[icy veldt]

Oh, well that settles it. If they're enemy combatants, then they die. Let peace negotiations be handled by diplomats (i.e. not me)

Wait wouldn't that make the player character a child soldier?

[woeful karma]

no

[icy veldt]

HMMMMMM

A child choosing on their own volition to continue waging war against enemy combatants would probably be a sign of some mental unwellness

[woeful karma]

you are approaching

Everything about undertale

from the complete wrong direction

i vanish now

[icy veldt]

Huh?

Meh, whatever. I'll have to think of some Calamity lore-relevant questions to ask whenever the channel needs to be put back on topic

[visual kiln]

i mean

they did say they didnt play undertale

[icy veldt]

Lore question: what happens to the Auric dragon's physical body when its soul is used for ascension?

[wanton pendant]

Probably turns into a normal corpse.

[icy veldt]

Now I'm wondering if any of the gods ever took the dragon to a butcher shop so it could be eaten by the god's new worshippers

[north root]

they turn into chicken strips

[icy veldt]

Mmmmmm 😋

Dragon tendies

[north root]

chicken strips are chicken nuggets with no auric soul

yharon drops chicken nuggets but if his soul was removed he would drop chicken strips

[wanton pendant]

I'd assume the dragons were biologically quite diverse, you know, since Yharon's very bird, but the others probably weren't as bird.

[icy veldt]

They probably ranged on a scale between reptile and bird

[north root]

some of them are fruits

[icy veldt]

Did any of them have different biological forms? Amphibians, mammals, insects, plants, fungi, other things?

[north root]

i bet at least one of them was a vegetable

like tomato

[icy veldt]

Cheese dragon

[wanton pendant]

I think I heard Flame was gonna be more leaning into Western Dragon.

[split mortar]

iirc their bodies were changed by domain somewhat so
More diverse then prob would normally be possible

[icy veldt]

Like the one on the flag of Wales? Does that mean that Providence is Welsh?

[wanton pendant]

I don't think becoming a god changes your nationality.

[north root]

providence is either welsh or texan

[wanton pendant]

But yes.

The flag thing.

[icy veldt]

She must've been near Calamity!Wales to have easy access to the Flame Dragon

[wanton pendant]

I'd assume Flame Dragon would live somewhere hot.

[north root]

failed ascension remember

[wanton pendant]

Wales... wouldn't really fit the bill.

[north root]

so she's actually from northern ireland

[wanton pendant]

Too far.

[icy veldt]

The Flame Dragon could live anywhere and make it hot just by being present there

[wanton pendant]

Thus, it would live somewhere hot.

[icy veldt]

Maybe she was from Northern England?

[wanton pendant]

Northern England isn't a country.

[icy veldt]

Since she wanted to rid the world of all suffering, like the kind she saw a lot of during her pre-ascension life there

[icy veldt]

Correct, it's a geographical term. Like Italy

[wanton pendant]

England is suffering.

[north root]

if yharim is australian and providence is northern irish then what is DoG

[wanton pendant]

Not everyone in Northern Ireland wants to destroy stuff.

But DoG is English.

[icy veldt]

Fat and gluttonous, DoG is probably American

[north root]

i thought that originally but his dialogue is not posh enough

[wanton pendant]

There's different varieties of English.

He's literally a colonist, in a sense.

[icy veldt]

"CAM ON INGERLAN, SCOR SOM FACKIN GOALS!" - Not posh enough for you?

[north root]

what about calamitas then

[wanton pendant]

Spanish.

Or Brazilian/Portugese.

[north root]

personally her backstory reminds me of when batman trained with the tibetan monks to learn all of his bullshit powers

[wanton pendant]

Not everyone can be part of the former British Empire.

No, that's Yharim.

Calamitas is the Spider-Man of powers.

[north root]

calamitas was bitten by a radioactive eye of desolation

[wanton pendant]

Yharim trained in Fantasy Tibet.

[north root]

the species of "Terrarian" is an advanced form of Australian

[icy veldt]

Are you Australian?

[wanton pendant]

The sun is a ball of concentrated Australium.

[icy veldt]

Because the Terrarian... is... 🫵YOU🫵!!!

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc has the most glorious moustache known to man.

[north root]

where is xeroc from

[wanton pendant]

Terraria.

[split mortar]

Xeroc is from 800 years in the past

[north root]

i thought he was from calamity

[split mortar]

Terraria is the name of the planet

[icy veldt]

Xeroc is from Denmark

[split mortar]

In calamity

Denmark banished to 800 years in the past

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is French, they have that aristocratic smugness.

[split mortar]

The guy does weed fym

[icy veldt]

Which is why Yharim hates Xeroc so much: because Yharim is Swedish, specifically King Charles XII

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is Finnish.

[icy veldt]

(Source: it came to me in a dream)

[wanton pendant]

Because they are at the end of the game.

So you have to 'Finnish' to get to 'em.

[icy veldt]

I'm boiling you

[wanton pendant]

Weak.

[icy veldt]

No, present tense. I am already boiling you, and you can't even feel it

[wanton pendant]

Exactly.

For you are too weak to harm me.

[icy veldt]

[north root]

permafrost is from rome

from during the roman empire specifically

you must understand he is very old

[wanton pendant]

He's not that old.

[north root]

he's really old

[wanton pendant]

Unless he really is 550 or something, in which case...

1453 was the end of Rome...

[icy veldt]

Permafrost is from some tiny German principality that was allied with Sweden against Denmark during some war even older than Perm himself is

[north root]

the calamity world as we know it happens after the U.S. government accidentally blows up all of humanity and leaves only australia

unwittingly also freeing all of the dragons that they were hiding in area 51

[icy veldt]

And then the dragons became "benevolent protectors" of Australia, or so they claimed

[north root]

the reason why the terraria world looks so small compared to ours is that it is exclusively australia

[wheat walrus]

gng is australia fr less than 5km wide

[fierce pagoda]

what about Luxembourg

[wanton pendant]

Where do you think Draedon's from?

[north root]

well global warming also so the sea level rose and made australia smaller

[wheat walrus]

even lux is much bigger than a large terraria world

[fierce pagoda]

oh my god

[icy veldt]

Yes. It only looks big because of inaccurate map projections

[north root]

why didn't permafrost just stop climate change with his permafrosty abilities? we will never know

[wanton pendant]

Climate Change hit him hard. He used to be called Absolute Zero.

[wheat walrus]

you prolly couldnt even see it on the map if it was that smallium

[wheat walrus]

ok this funny

[north root]

the emus threatened the U.N. with nuclear cassowary war

they had to make australia bigger

[wanton pendant]

Luxembourg is like, ten times 5km.

[wheat walrus]

more

[wanton pendant]

Now, Luxermbourg, on the other hand, is bigger than Luxembourg.

Much like how Ireland is actually bigger than Ireland.

[north root]

luxerm actually bourg

[icy veldt]

Draw a line from Iceland to Ireland, and Imeland will be somewhere along that line

[junior anvil]

So.. are the lore items, like, an actual thing?

As in, are the items themselves presumed canon? (Not the stories in them. The actual items.)

[long bloom]

no

the system is being changed to a seeing stone that yharim talks to you through

[junior anvil]

Ah. Neat.

[wanton pendant]

The intended idea is that you find a Gossip Stone from Wind Waker.

He isn't psychically telling you his sob story.

[faint totem]

That’d be funny tho

[wanton pendant]

It would.

[leaden bridge]

We mean he is that's how those work,,,

the way they're used also implies they work as cameras,,, scary

[frosty charm]

how much carbon emissions do you think draedon produces

[north root]

as we all know wulfrum machinery is actually carbon-negative

[faint totem]

Wulfrum is solar powered

[north root]

and exo mechs use exotic resonance which generates ridiculous amounts of cancer rays but no carbon

skeletron prime runs on blood

the twins run on wind turbines

the destroyer i think is a diesel engine

[faint totem]

He’s V1 Ultrakill

[north root]

it's very inefficient though he needs like 200 gallons of blood to run for twelve seconds

[faint totem]

Krill issue

[pulsar ocean]

I thought xeroc lives on the sun

[jaunty wraith]

I remember hearing somewhere that draedon could completely clean the sulphuric sea, but he doesnt see the point

[north root]

where else is he going to farm sulphuric scales

[long bloom]

xeroc controls the sun

we dunno where they live

i would imagine living inside the sun to be very difficult and unnecessary though

[pulsar ocean]

maybe its chill there

how would we know

[jaunty wraith]

My uncle works at the sun, he said its hot

[thick slate]

i thought the actual sun wasnt his

[nova moon]

then i know just how to beat him

1 trillion lions

[grave sandal]

1 trillion lions vs the exo mechs

idk thats a lot of lions

[pulsar ocean]

can Wonder of U beat xeroc

[split mortar]

Xeroc breathes funny and a piece of dust explodes them

[feral skiff]

a more realistic version of this question: calamitas vs exo mechs

or maybe yharim, vs both the exo mechs and calamitas?

[split mortar]

Yharim gets fucking wrecked he already has a decent chance to lose to one by themself iirc

[wanton pendant]

I am confident that if both Calamitas and Draedon were to somehow cooperate they would be near invincible together, and could beat Yharim.

Calamitas Vs Exo Mechs reasonably is a close battle, but I'm leaning towards Calamitas having the advantage overall.

[split mortar]

I think cal wins cause thanatos fucking dies quickly from overheating

[wanton pendant]

It also weaponizes its overheating, but Calamitas is a fire type.

So she resists.

[split mortar]

So its mainly just ares and the twins imo

[wanton pendant]

So overall I think Calamitas would be more likely to win, but it's probably gonna be a hard fight.

[split mortar]

Yah

[pliant ruin]

calamitas vs yharim or exos vs yharim is already a fight that, while yharim would win, he'd struggle

Like it would not be easy, even if he is very likely to win

both of them n i mean yeah

yharim loses most def

gl getting them to work together though. i'm sure draedon would be willing but as for calamitas

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas almost certainly hates Draedon's metal guts, and Draedon probably prefers working with things that don't have petty weaknesses like 'feelings' and 'free will'.
Only one of them and they're probably dead, unless they had like an extra decade to prepare, which they don't.

[pliant ruin]

I think Draedon would be willing to work with Calamitas if it was to further his own goals and she was cooperative

Too bad she. wouldnt be.

[wanton pendant]

That is true.

He has no idea why she's so upset.

Most people would be THRILLED to have their very own clone!

[pliant ruin]

While i'm certain she dosen't have the same disdain for Draedon that she does for Yharim, i think that much is a given

She'd still not want to work with the amoral scientist that can and will violate the geneva contention if he needs to and who has cloned her without her consent

I think if you told her you've worked with Draedon she'd be. alarmed. but i think she'd understand depending on your reasoning. Guy is giving you free equipment and information, so might aswell make the most of it. But she herself definitely wouldn't work with him

Atleast imo

[wanton pendant]

Draedon's lab safety plan is please write down what maimed you and what it is doing to you for future reference.

[pliant ruin]

If you were actually willingly directly helping Draedon it'd be another story but if you're just making the most of the help he's giving you i think she'd get it

[wanton pendant]

So the team that brought you Civilian Un-Maker isn't in her good books? Wonder why.

[pliant ruin]

the civilianinceneratorinator

[wanton pendant]

Draedon's janitor is chill, though. Too bad they got him.

[limpid saddle]

Wonder what the Clone's thoughts are on Dreadon

[pliant ruin]

daddy issues

[onyx flower]

the civilianmeatmincer9000

[pliant ruin]

all things considered she probably dosen't like him like At All

like she probably hates him more than anyone else really

Except maybe yharim, yharim might hate draedon more, but honestly even then, probably not, given yharim was atleast willing to work with him

even after THe Incident

when he really needed to

[wanton pendant]

I was thinking, Clone's been out for like, a few years probably? What the hell has she been eating?

[onyx flower]

he holds the bees to very high regards

[pliant ruin]

her entire existence is being the shadow of someone else

and that's draedon's fault

[icy veldt]

Herself

[pliant ruin]

her very existence is probably inherently miserable, even if she were to eventually find a way to come to terms with it and recover, draedon bringing her into existence would've still been the baseline for all of her torment

so yeah no i think she'd

[wanton pendant]

I once imagined she's been terrorising deer or something for food.

[pliant ruin]

deeply deeply hate draedon

[wanton pendant]

Please Devs let us save Calamitastwo.

[fallen kindle]

who

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas Clone.

[limpid saddle]

She does seem like the type to go kill a bear & eat raw chunks out of it like a cryptid

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's what I imagined, except with deer.

Just tearing into it with her teeth.

[pliant ruin]

calamitas herself probably gathers berries and mushrooms and fish and shit

[wanton pendant]

Since she isn't completely insane.

[pliant ruin]

i also had a headcanon she'd trade with towns sometimes on disguise

[wanton pendant]

Probably still not that healthy, I feel.

[limpid saddle]

man C.C's stomach microbiome must be fucked up

[pliant ruin]

She seems to be kind of a hermit so she sells magical components and other valuable items she finds while wandering to traders and merchants in towns and she uses the money she gets to buy some supplies she can't really get in the wild

[wanton pendant]

Meanwhile Clone is reenacting DOOM on a herd of deer.

[limpid saddle]

It is true that she could probably enchant some rocks or some shit & inflate the value by hundreds of gold

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas ended up joining a Multi-Level Marketing scheme. She joins you for protection from them.

[pliant ruin]

I also imagine she uses barely any brimstone magic overall

[icy veldt]

I bet Cal could easily scam people with rocks that look valuable but aren't

[pliant ruin]

In fact i imagine her fight wit hyou was the

first time she'd actually have used it extensively in a while

[wanton pendant]

Since it's her 'murder civilians' powers.

[icy veldt]

Brimstone magic probably takes a toll on her sanity

So she'd need time to recover afterwards

[pliant ruin]

Not only does it do that but its a very offensive type of magic

It's not something i think she'd need too often

I think she'd rely more on other types of magic she'd use as utility

[wanton pendant]

Like, what's out there that would warrant such a show of force? Other than us, of course.

[pliant ruin]

Ice magic in particular is smth we know she has and which

probgably would be pretty helpful

Freezing stuff to preserve it for longer, adding some ice cubes to water or a berry juice in a hot day

[limpid saddle]

free refridgeration in the corner of the cave

[pliant ruin]

making a ice spear to scare away a predator

[wanton pendant]

I feel like Calamitas would like hot days, since she's from Hell.

Closer to the climate she's used to.

[icy veldt]

Hot, cloudy, and smoggy days

[pliant ruin]

i imagine azafure was cooler than the rest of hell but fair point

[wanton pendant]

Like, the surface probably feels very cold to her relatively.

[pliant ruin]

still would be really useful to just have the Magic Freezer though

[wanton pendant]

Of course.

That's how they did it back in the day, just stuck ice into a box.

[pliant ruin]

gathered some berries and roots to make a salad, but oops, you got more than you thought you'd need? no worry just. freeze it. ice cubed.

then you can just unfreeze it later

📈

[wanton pendant]

Snowgraved.

[icy veldt]

"Cal, why are you wearing a winter coat? It's 70 degrees out here"
"Huh? 70?"
"Ugh, 21 degrees in... whatever Draedon calls his system"

[wanton pendant]

For Calamitas it would be like an Australian moved to Northern Canada.

[limpid saddle]

hmmm

i should draw more calclone fanart...

& maybe walk my dog...

[pliant ruin]

walk ur dog hes gotta see the outside world and breathe fresh air

give him a pat in the head while ur at it too

[wanton pendant]

Remember to feed him a deity now and then.

[limpid saddle]

she doesnt eat gods she eats drywall & plastic

[wanton pendant]

God of Drywall, Kylus.

[vagrant star]

Haven't actually kept up with the mod as much recently because I can't play it anymore (don't got tmodloader or Terraria on my puter atm)

but

Is yharon still goated, like. In general is he still cool or is he getting sidelined again despite being really lore important.

Is he still lore important?

[strong notch]

Important in terms of manipulating Yharim

Nothing much really

and of course trying to kill us

[vagrant star]

Wait really?

How?

Wasn't he just telling the mf how the dragons died or something?

[strong notch]

All gods evil because they killed my dragon friends pls kill them all (Yharon to Yharim probably)

[icy veldt]

Precisely. Do you think Yharon, a dragon himself, would be completely honest about that?

Yharon and Yharim basically amplified each other's murderous tendencies

Keep in mind that Yharim murdered billions with his crusade. Is that really what a "benevolent protector" would want?

[vagrant star]

Ahuh. So like. They were each justified(slightly) and then just went overboard as fuck with the whole crusade?

[split mortar]

Id say less so manipulation and more so making each other worse
An echo chamber of hating gods

[vagrant star]

Obviously not lmfao

[strong notch]

resulting in death of thousands of believers and some good gods

[icy veldt]

No, they weren't justified. They had their reasons, but those reasons don't make murdering billions of innocent people a good thing, or even an excusable evil

[vagrant star]

Worded myself wrong, and didn't know how many MFs died in that all

[icy veldt]

Yeah, "justified" was a bit of unfortunate verbiage

You're not alone. I misword things all the time

[wanton pendant]

Here's team Yharim's crimes, including Yharon's.

[vagrant star]

Like. I meant I can (hopefully) get/understand their reasoning for starting it.

If I've got the lore right, I too would be utterly furious if my whole species was turned into a Pokemon shiny hunt after we nearly died to beat the shit out of Moon Lord.

And same for if I was in Yharims boat. Like I can get why everything happened the way it did even if it was ass. And their choices are

Yeah they certainly were choices

[vagrant star]

Thankyah

I need to check if my goat (yharon) is still as awesome as he used to be.

[icy veldt]

I'm gonna make dragon tendies out of Yharon

[pliant ruin]

i'll be honest

[icy veldt]

Mmmmmmm

[pliant ruin]

i do not agree with this statement

Yharon a evil bastard

[icy veldt]

Tendies 😋

[pliant ruin]

But manipulating yharim

ehhhhhhhhh

Disagree

I think they're both just
#1 god haters so they get along well :p

[icy veldt]

Yeah, it's more like a two-person echo chamber that just spirals into deeper and darker madness

[wanton pendant]

If Yharon did manipulate, we wouldn't know since we only hear Yharim's perspective.

[pliant ruin]

yeah exactly this

Saying Yharon "manipulated" yharim imo is just

[split mortar]

^

[wanton pendant]

Yeah echo chamber is far more accurate I think.

[strong notch]

Guy started hating gods after almost getting turned into one

[wanton pendant]

After nearly being killed by some.

And having been enslaved.

[pliant ruin]

1. It makes Yharim's choices seem far less like his own and makes him seem like more of a victim which is just . wrong. If anyone's manipulating Yharim here it's, him gaslighting himself and refusing to change his beliefs
2. It makes Yharon seem like a overarching antagonist which, yeah, he's a big bad, but Yharim is still like. The Guy

[wanton pendant]

I'd be mad too.

[pliant ruin]

both Yharim and Yharon hate gods

so they yeah

[wanton pendant]

Not genocidal mad, but mad.

[pliant ruin]

just turn into a echo chamber

so true bestie. so true bestie
on dragon. on dragon.

this is yharon and yharim

[icy veldt]

"Genocidal mad" is just me when I stub my toe

(jk)

[vagrant star]

I Read the thing

Fr nothing changed he's just the same as last time I was remotely caught up on the lore. I fr just didnt actually clock the idea that "oh yeah yharon would of been active in this crusade the whole time"

[icy veldt]

Yharon probably did some killing of his own, too

[wanton pendant]

Probably a lot of killing.

[icy veldt]

The Civilian Cooker Bird!

[vagrant star]

Yeh that's what I meant

[icy veldt]

Yharon wants to incinerate civilians early on, and Yharim is just like "Not yet, that would be bad for PR. I need people to like me, so save it for later"

[vagrant star]

Gotta wonder if he actually killed any gods or not cause I dooooo

Kinda hope

Kinda wish

Kinda feel

Like he'd be somewhat honourable

-# please don't make the boi an active enjoyer of killing children

[icy veldt]

please don't make the boi an active enjoyer of killing children
Oh, he absolutely was

[vagrant star]

[wanton pendant]

Yharon would probably focus on the gods more, Yharim I feel would be the any believer guy.

[icy veldt]

Draedon built the Child Crushinator for Yharim's crusade, do you really think Yharon, chasing after vengence for what had happened long ago, would be above that?

[split mortar]

The guy fully supports yharim
Even when he groomed calamitas to nuke ilmeris yharon supports yharim

[vagrant star]

Can't emoji react to second the hell outta this but j woj-

Hold on thats a good point

He didn't do anything about calamitas

[wanton pendant]

Yharon doesn't need to kill civilians, he's got Draedon for that.

Yeah, Permafrost at least had it hidden from him.

[icy veldt]

Maybe not, but I highly doubt Yharon didn't kill them anyway

[wanton pendant]

He probably did get a few civilians, yeah, but likely not as much as his teammates.

[icy veldt]

I bet that Yharon was just as instrumental in razing towns of worshippers as Draedon was

[wanton pendant]

Yharon was seen as a symbol against the gods.

[strong notch]

While Draedon most likely did that to test his war machines on someone

instead of vengeance

[icy veldt]

So Yharon's face was put onto propaganda leaflets and posters. I don't see how that makes him any more honorable or less genocidally vengeful

[wanton pendant]

It was all an amazing experiment to Draedon.

[vagrant star]

Ye, he was posterboy (of the crusade since we all know DoG will once again get resprited and is the mods poster child)

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is the mascot, but DoG is on the album, so ha!

[strong notch]

and Yharim in the main menu

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas used to be in the logo.

It was her really old design.

[vagrant star]

Lmao (holy my fuckin phone died for a second there lol)

[wanton pendant]

The same as in Stained, Brutal Calamity.

But they've a new logo now.

[strong notch]

Calamitas is like The Burning Giraffe painting. The giraffe being taken from title but it's not the most relevant part of it

[icy veldt]

Erm acktschually Calamitas is an Azafurian, not a giraffe 🤓 (jk)

[wanton pendant]

Still the mascot and very marketable.

She took my money.

[strong notch]

Fine but where is my Draedon plush

i want him to judge everything i do

[wanton pendant]

Please don't give them ideas.

[icy veldt]

Draedon does not judge, he analyzes

[wanton pendant]

I've already spent all my money.

[vagrant star]

Lmfao

Draedon plush with live camera inside so he can study you as well

[icy veldt]

Speaking of plushies, how about [REDACTED FOR PUBLIC SANITY]

[vagrant star]

Very marketable

[strong notch]

and all recordings going to DraedonGPT

[wanton pendant]

I got war criminal dragon bird and war criminal traumatised teen.

[vagrant star]

"DraeGPT Is this true?"

[wanton pendant]

And then I learn some people think you shouldn't have plushies of characters who do bad things.

[vagrant star]

Ayyy I got war criminal dragon bird too

[wanton pendant]

Dragon Bird Plush Toy.

[strong notch]

they are not real so their crimes are not real as well therefore they are innocent in real life

so i can have them

[vagrant star]

He so fluffy I love him (bias as fuck and slightly seething that it seems he got the short end of the stick compared to other characters )

[wanton pendant]

Life sized DoG plush when?

[vagrant star]

Those people sound insane

[vagrant star]

True

Scal deffo the type to get stuck working in fast food irl tho

[icy veldt]

Also, an in-game plushie would also be innocent of the actual character's wrongdoings

[vagrant star]

True again

[wanton pendant]

DoG in-game plushie ain't innocent. That thing stabs people!

[icy veldt]

Calamitas trying to atone by working food service

But then she loses her patience and just snaps and incinerates the place

[wanton pendant]

That's worse than Yharim.

[vagrant star]

Crimes be damned that girl can work a grill

[wanton pendant]

Maybe too good.

[vagrant star]

Maybe

[icy veldt]

Calamitas when I ask her to grill some suspiciously-draconic meat

[vagrant star]

Ngl it would be kinda endearing if she was actually just. Good at cooking or something stupidly out of left field compared to MASS MURDER AND EDGELORDING AND THEN GRIEVING™

[wanton pendant]

I think Cataclysm taught her how to cook stuff.

[vagrant star]

Lesfuckinggo

[limpid saddle]

started a new calclone piece, she's in the tube

[wanton pendant]

Draedon made sure to give his creations drip apparently.

[icy veldt]

She was born grown with clothes on

[strong notch]

Otherwise how are you gonna intimidate your foes with things looking like chunks of trash forced together?

they need that drip

[wanton pendant]

Chunks of trash is a mean way to refer to Calamitas.

[limpid saddle]

she got the drearobe™

a consistent staple of my calclone pieces

[icy veldt]

Calamitas gets a job hauling people's trash, but then quits when some random spiteful town-dweller says "Well I think you should be hauled away AS trash!"

[wanton pendant]

And that's how Calamitas knew that maybe Yharim had the right idea.

[limpid saddle]

when they say something so witchphobic you gotta hit 'em with the brimstone stare

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone stare sounds like a symptom of some ailment.

[icy veldt]

Would she? Or would it drive her further into self-hatred because she thinks that he had his reason for telling her that? Could go either way tbh

[limpid saddle]

Update on the calclone piece, something feels weird about the angle but i cant tell what, can you guys give me your insights?

[wanton pendant]

I feel like the hands are too small. Then again, I've big hands so my frame of reference is skewed.

[pliant ruin]

i mean

she probably is tbh

she's like isolated from society

[icy veldt]

The angle seems fine to me. She's floating in a cloning tube full of biomedical whatever juice, but maybe the tube should be drawn a bit bigger

[pliant ruin]

been living that way for like

10ish years probably

shes gotta cook

if she wants to live lol

[wanton pendant]

Like, nearly 12 by my count?

[limpid saddle]

ok thats fair i do have an issue of drawing small hands

[pliant ruin]

she dosen't seem like miserable so she's probably eating relatively well all things considered

which means yeah she probably is pretty good at cooking

[limpid saddle]

'tis resolved

[pliant ruin]

otherwise we'd have starving skin and bones calamitas or greatly malnutritioned physically ill calamitas

[wanton pendant]

That does look better, also I feel her eyes are very high on her head but that might be a stylistic choice.

[wanton pendant]

Don't call me out like this.

[icy veldt]

Doesn't brimstone magic take a toll on her sanity? So she might've wanted to find a different means of cooking at some point

[wanton pendant]

Regular fire magic.

[pliant ruin]

i doubt she uses brimstone magic for cooking yeah 😭

honestly just. make a fire

[wanton pendant]

Flint & Steel.

[pliant ruin]

like. a normal ass fire. it aint that hard.

shes been living in the Wilderness for like 10 years surely she knows how to do that much

[icy veldt]

Calamitas sneaking into someone's home to steal lighter fluid

[pliant ruin]

You can have a nuanced character still be a evil bastard

Yharon, and honmestly, basically

e very villain in calamity

is basically that really

[wanton pendant]

He has an understandable reason to be upset, but it doesn't warrant his actions.

[split mortar]

Except moonlord
All we know is the guy attacked

[wanton pendant]

His nuance is that he's a big squid.

[split mortar]

True

[pliant ruin]

like Yharon is evil there's no denying it. He actively supported and participated on genocide.
But also you can kind of get how he got here given hsi entire species and everyone he ever knew Died. The problem comes in how he reacted to that

[icy veldt]

As well as DoG, who's thing is just being weird

[wanton pendant]

DoG's nuance is that he is worm.

[pliant ruin]

If he was really angry and took it out his anger on gods at first but then realized that not all of them were bad and that by doing so he was just continuing the cycle of violence

I'd honeslty

forgive him tbh

[icy veldt]

Given how Yharon was so vengeful that he stopped being a "benevolent protector" at all, to help Yharim with he's genocides, I'm like 110% certain that he killed a lot of civilians on his own

[pliant ruin]

But no he just

doubled down instead

kill ALL GODS even if it means we gotta kill the civilians too

[wanton pendant]

Sunk cost fallacy probably hit at some point.

[icy veldt]

Yharon stayed loyal to Yharim even after Perm and Cal left

[split mortar]

For yharon idk how much a century is

[wanton pendant]

He's well over 2000.

[icy veldt]

Yeah no, Yharon wanted civilians dead

[pliant ruin]

yharon is literally yharim's bestie yeah

like

if ANYONE

100% fully believes

the crusade's ideoloy

besides yharim himself

its yharon lol

[split mortar]

Its yharon and yharim

[wanton pendant]

A century is probably not too long for Yharon.

But it was Yharim's whole life.

[pliant ruin]

shoutout to my Evil ranking when it comes to the yharmy

1. Devourer
2. Yharim
3. Yharon
4. Draedon
5. Permafrost
6. Calamitas

The latter two imo honestly you can argue for either perma or cal at the bottom but given some discussion we've had i think Cal takes the lowest spot

Perma and Cal being the only ones

who r really redeemable and imo deserve forgiveness

[split mortar]

Draedon sciences

[pliant ruin]

Everyone above is just fucked up .

Draedon is in a state where you CAN work with him

But he's still. kinda fucked

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost has some crazy charisma that people forgive him without anyone even knowing his reason for crusading.

[split mortar]

Draedon does science if the science includes nukes and bees being fused then the science happens

[pliant ruin]

I mean, we do roughly know

just not the specifics

also i think its insane

[icy veldt]

We also don't know how much of Yharim's ideology was instilled into Calamitas by Permafrost educating her

[pliant ruin]

that ppl genuinely think Draedon is worse than Yharim based on how Yharim describes the plague experiment alone

It rly goes to show how charismatic yharim is

because im not gonna deny, yeah

[wanton pendant]

Thus, A God Killed Permafrost's Kid Theory.

[pliant ruin]

plague IS fucked

but yharim just

objectively did Much Worse

[split mortar]

Yeah plague is fucked

[pliant ruin]

like the plague is kind of Nothing compared to some of the things he did

[split mortar]

Competitive nuclear slavery is fucked

[split mortar]

Vaporises italy

[wanton pendant]

She was also raised in Azafure, which was Yharim aligned.

[icy veldt]

Oh yeah true

[wanton pendant]

And Yharim himself had access to her.

So many ways to get indoctrinated.

[icy veldt]

Sheesh

[pliant ruin]

the plague basically tortures innocent animals and forces them into obedience, erasing all of their own wants and desires

that IS fucked

but then you have

Yharim literally having Skeletron Prime

Dude literally

[split mortar]

Competitive nuclear slaver

[pliant ruin]

made to torch civilians

like idk man i think

torching innocent civilians alive is probably worse

and thats like

not even the worst thing he did .

[wanton pendant]

Yharim commissioned Draedon, so like his worse was because Yharim wanted him to innovate in warfare.

[pliant ruin]

If the plague targetted god worshippers instead of animals

yharim would probably say its "a necessary sacrifice"

[split mortar]

I dont think he would

[pliant ruin]

In his eyes they're already "enslaved" by the gods anyways

So he'd be like

The poor souls, in their last moments, atleast fought for the right cause or whatever

[icy veldt]

"Well we're actually freeing them! In a way, y'know"

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is surprisingly wishy washy on slavery for someone who styles himself as a liberator.

[pliant ruin]

He'd feel oh so bad about having to do such cruel things to civilians but he'd be like hmm necessary sacrifice yes yes indeed

its basically

[icy veldt]

Liberators 😔 not even once

[pliant ruin]

what he did with illmeris anyways

like i've seen ppl new to this chat genuinely hate draedon and think hes like the most evil immoral mfer

because of the plague stuff

and again it just shows how crazy yharim's charisma is

because just by the way he described his feelings of disgust towards it

people were convinced of how it was the most evil thing ever

[wanton pendant]

Draedon is amoral, very different from immoral.

[pliant ruin]

Devourer being evil-er than yharim is debatable but

i put him there just by virtue of

[wanton pendant]

He is edgier.

[pliant ruin]

him really not seemingly having any nuance to his actions

like he's just evil

[wanton pendant]

If you go beyond Team Yharim, Providence is probably the worst we know by a lot, then Dogma.

[pliant ruin]

yeah

god i'm

honestly rly intrigued on learning more about dogma

just the fact he's the guy behind the cult that was manipulating yharim to be their god-king alone is already really intriguing

and i think Dogma is

[wanton pendant]

From what little we know he sounds truly awful.

[pliant ruin]

honestly a really interesting domain

Honestly wouldn't put past the guy

literally not having a name

[wanton pendant]

Like, what does the power of Dogma grant him?

[icy veldt]

Doesn't the whole God of Dogma thing imply that the Deific Era's fall was inevitable, that civilization was going to be enslaved or destroyed at some point soon?

[pliant ruin]

much like how biblical god is just. god.

[wanton pendant]

Well, he has a name.

[pliant ruin]

john dogma

[icy veldt]

If Yharim's crusade was the best possible timeline, then that's darker than anything I can imagine

[pliant ruin]

it wasn't the best but

it was seemingly better than

whatever dogma was cooking

[icy veldt]

Barring ridiculous impossibilities like alt-Yharim being a genuinely good person

[pliant ruin]

timeline where braelor and statis lock the fuck in and kill yharim

[wanton pendant]

Dev mentioned that had Dogma won it would be a worse fate for the world.

[pliant ruin]

🔥

[pliant ruin]

ideally before agnus gets killed and illmeris gets blown up

best timeline

[icy veldt]

"The optimist believes this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears that to be true." - some old quote IDK

[wanton pendant]

If Calamitas, Permafrost, Statis and Braelor weren't stupid and ganged up on Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

1. let yharim do his thing and kill dogma and war
2. the moment yharim starts being kind of evil braelor and statis beat the living shit out of him
3. they them mog the profaned guardians, causing providence to try killing them and then they kill providence
4. without yharim influencing azafure theres not such a big need for constant production of war supplies, thus there's less extensive industrial activity, and thus brimmy dosen't wake up and blow everything up. calamitas is actually entirely fine.
5. there is far less divine essence for devourer to feed on and if he started killing gods himself peoplew ould take notice so we just send braelor and statis to mog him too

gg

best timeline

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas gets a normal job, I guess... Nevermind this is the WORST timeline!

How old are Braelor and Statis, anyway?

[split mortar]

We dunno

[pliant ruin]

ill be real they probably werent alive back then lmao

[split mortar]

Dont lool old

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

they seem to be like

idk in their 30s or so at mostr

[wanton pendant]

20-30?

[split mortar]

Braelor i can see seeming a bit younger then he is due to silva

[pliant ruin]

i imagine braelor is like

33

statis is like idk 31

[wanton pendant]

Maybe gay people age slower in Calamity.

[pliant ruin]

trul

the solution to everything bad in calamity

just send braelor and statis to mog it

yharim? go my gays.
devourer? go my gays.
providence? go my gays.
azafure's economical instability? go my gays.
silva and xeroc's failing marriage? go my gays.

[split mortar]

Oh damn noxus is invading
Send the gays

[wanton pendant]

Wait... So that's how Permafrost got so old! He's gay!

[pliant ruin]

old man yaoi or smht

[hoary cape]

Cheese has grown too powerful

[split mortar]

Put her down

[hoary cape]

Cheese has discovered the ultimate power. Cheese must be stopped

[icy veldt]

We gotta get Moon Lord to eat Cheese

[pliant ruin]

i cant be stopped im too strong

[hoary cape]

Moon lord eats cheese all the time

It's called the moon duh

[split mortar]

Cheese? Go my gays.

[pliant ruin]

divorced xeroc and silva is still the funniest fucking headcanon ever i dont think its true but im choosing to believe it because it's funny

[hoary cape]

Obliterating you with the deathstar canon

[icy veldt]

Send Cheese to the moon, so her essence melts into it like the God of Dogma into the Corruption

[hoary cape]

Cheese biome

[wanton pendant]

The true message of Calamity: Gay people are OP.

[split mortar]

Trans people control slime

[icy veldt]

An alternate Hallow (like the Corruption and Crimson) except it's the Nacho Biome

Cheese grass and Cornchipstone

[split mortar]

Gay people are OP
Trans people control slime
Aro ace people can nuke italy

[hoary cape]

Cheese is an NPC stuck inside cheeseogen

Damn I can nuke Italy????

Why would I do that 🤔

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

What can I do..?

[hoary cape]

Exist

[icy veldt]

I bet we can build a civilization that makes the God of Dogma look like an anarchist

[wanton pendant]

Yay?

[pliant ruin]

wow! we have to actually embrace the possibility of change and take our time to understand something before drawing our conclusions on it so we don't judge it unfairly based on our predefined understanding

asexuals can blow up italy

[hoary cape]

Every time I see the word Dogma I can't believe it's a real world

[hoary cape]

What does cheese mean by this

[wanton pendant]

Hive Mind has that Dogma in him.

[hoary cape]

Dogma is clearly the mother of a dog

Aka devourer of gods mother

[faint totem]

Real

[icy veldt]

Wow! People who promise freedom, justice, and improvement are just a few victories away from going mask-off and murdering billions of innocent people!

lesbian girlboss squads commit arson

[wanton pendant]

Alcohol makes you stronger.

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

i can fix this holdon.

[wanton pendant]

I wonder what that gif is.

[pliant ruin]

anyways

[split mortar]

Cheese is a alcoholic she would know from experience

When is the lea channel

[dusk laurel]

never

[pliant ruin]

never

[split mortar]

What the fuck

[split mortar]

What the fuck

[magic epoch]

Holy fucking fuck

That body of yours is absurd

[wheat walrus]

whar

anyways

for all intents and purposes, if you attempt to blow up italy, i will crush, suppress, sear, tear, destroy and cleanse u, until none of you is and none of you withstands

love u gang 🫀

[icy veldt]

Um, Italy is already blown up

[wheat walrus]

wrong im hbere

blind user

[icy veldt]

You're a ghost!

[wheat walrus]

nop

im here

just here

[icy veldt]

Calamitas already blew up Italy. Let's get you your dementia medication

[wheat walrus]

this user prolly thinks providence is real

[icy veldt]

[wheat walrus]

yea

you the one in need of medication pooks

😔

[icy veldt]

Where am I

[wheat walrus]

calamity mod discord, lore discussion

on platform discord

you and i are the only real users here

everyone here is automated, false, robotic

[icy veldt]

What's my pet cat's name?

Why can't I remember my pet cat's name?

[wheat walrus]

hmm

the name of your cat is melon, melon gun

[split mortar]

What the fuck not you as well calling me a catboy

[wheat walrus]

Do not interfere, lea channel user.

[icy veldt]

Aren't you Provi's uhhhhhh nephew or something?

[wheat walrus]

he's lea channel, another false human, a bot

[icy veldt]

Why isn't the TV on?

[wheat walrus]

the tv only shows deceit and falsehood

your cat melon gun wants cuddles

[icy veldt]

I wanna watch football

Where's the beer?

[wheat walrus]

football is played by other bots

[split mortar]

💔

[wheat walrus]

and the beer is harmful

[icy veldt]

Keeping your old great great gruhhhhhhh... grand greatpa away from tonight's game is gonna be real harmful to you, youngster!

[wheat walrus]

there is no game

for all is scripted within code

it is not a real game, for all is decided and all is played out by the machineries

[icy veldt]

Code, like uhhhh... aeeuuuuugghhh shits self and dies

[split mortar]

[wheat walrus]

waiting for the inevitable "lore discussion" message

[icy veldt]

Alright, lore question: How does Yharim stave off dementia or Alzheimer's with his advanced age?

[wheat walrus]

idk auric attunement

i do think that yharim being in his prime despite having few years left is weird regardless tho

[split mortar]

Id find it lame to fight someone with dementia and 0.1% their strength

[wheat walrus]

js make him live longer gng

like idk

dies at 200 or smth

[icy veldt]

Yharim's armor probably includes an automatic toilet unit because Draedon assumed that he'd need it, except Yharim just continues to use the bathroom as normal

[wheat walrus]

he's 130 smth now

[wanton pendant]

He plays Dr. Kawashima's Brain Training.

It was the only game in his DS, he doesn't have much of a choice.

[split mortar]

Why would yhar depressed if he had an extra 70 years to kick ass and kill gods

[wheat walrus]

starts deteriorating

[wanton pendant]

He didn't have 70 more to do it.

[wheat walrus]

yharon's bitchass that prolly hasn't died in 100 years can wait for another 100 years

the only gods that are left by the time we fight him would be the ones he has no way to kill

so those 70 years would be worthless

i just think that yharim being in his prime until 1 year before he dies is off

as is the lifespan boost he gets from attunement

the logic is very doylist,,,

[icy veldt]

Pondering whether to mark Yharim's grave with "GOD-KING YHARIM" or "DRAGON SIMP | Born: unfortunately | Died: a virgin"

[wheat walrus]

as in, the answer isn't something that flows in-universe first, it's something that flows out-of-universe, since it's convenient for the story for this to be like that, even if it feels off

[wanton pendant]

Here lies Yharim. He had one friend and he also died.

[wheat walrus]

it's not a big deal, obviously, doesn't ruin much, but i dont like how random these circumstances feel

"attunement gives you 30+ yearts more in your lifespan and your prime suddenly drops off in the last few years instead of overtime"

it feels oddly specific and to fit both the narrative that's being told and the being able to fight yharim in his prime

[cloud ibex]

maybe yharon has to actually be alive for the lifespan-lengthening effects of his attunement to work

[icy veldt]

We get to Yharim and the whole fight is just unplugging his life support

[wheat walrus]

imo, the solution i proposed also isn't ideal but i prefer it more since it still pushes the narrative well enough

what leon just proposed also works

[cloud ibex]

so now that you've taken him out yharim's long lifespan is gonna start catching up fast

[icy veldt]

"YOU AIN'T FROM AZAFURE IF YOU'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFO"

[wanton pendant]

I feel like his training at this point isn't making him stronger, it only maintains his strength.

So he's able to stay at peak condition, but eventually that too will stop working.

And he'll decline rapidly from then.

[brazen swallow]

I think that deep down he regrets what he's been doing so that's probably adds to it

[eager bluff]

nah he really doesnt

he regrets aspects of what hes done but he does not regret the crusade

[wanton pendant]

He acknowledged that grooming that teenager was a bad move, but the genocide was cool and awesome.

[strong notch]

"Cool and awesome. 10/10. Would do it again."

[long sand]

Ive been thinking about it but does yharim think he'll lose to the player like hes already accepted it kinda thing

[strong notch]

Guy wants to stop embarrassing himself with never ending crusade and just wants someone to defeat and kill him

so yeah he kinda accepted that we are coming but still wants to die in that one epic battle with you

[long sand]

He wanted to die looking cool

Instead of bejng a old man

[frosty charm]

bold to assume he's getting a grave

[icy veldt]

I wish there'd be an option to humiliate or insult Yharim before killing him

[faint totem]

He gets 2 sticks tied together

[strong notch]

Or we get final cinematic hit on him and instead of doing that we walk away

[frosty charm]

i'm just leaving him on the ground

[strong notch]

leaving him waiting for us to finish him forever

[wanton pendant]

I believe there is not going to be an option to leave him alive.

[frosty charm]

he'd just kill himself atp

[wanton pendant]

And he'd rather kill himself than let you spare him.

[frosty charm]

yeah

[split mortar]

Yharim is willing to die if he believes it will let the crusade continue

[icy veldt]

Spit a loogie onto his face before killing him

[split mortar]

Or just yknow

Stab you

[strong notch]

What if we forced Yharim into becoming a god just before his death

[split mortar]

Good fucking luck

[strong notch]

and used Yharon soul for that (let's say we know how to do it)

[wanton pendant]

How would you pull that off?

[split mortar]

He would like

Prob

Kill himself

Before that

[wanton pendant]

Yharon's soul probably hasn't even coalesced into an egg yet.

[frosty charm]

buh my edgy ironic fate!

[wanton pendant]

Also, making your enemy stronger and angrier is a TERRIBLE strategic move.

[split mortar]

Or

Like

Kill you

[split mortar]

^

[strong notch]

Kill or not krill

would he regret becoming a god after that?

[wanton pendant]

Obviously.

[frosty charm]

Heh, this is so poetic and ironic... hey why are you getting up no don't

[wanton pendant]

He hates gods.

[icy veldt]

What if we took Yharon's skull and smashed Yharim's face with it?

[split mortar]

He would prob fold your ass then evaporate himself by trying to fight xeroc

[frosty charm]

holy edge

[icy veldt]

I refuse to believe we just leave Yharon's carcass sitting wherever we defeated him

[wanton pendant]

So if you really have a death wish, turning Yharim into a god is an option.

[frosty charm]

he disintegrates

[split mortar]

Doesnt yharon incinerate homself

[frosty charm]

yeah

[icy veldt]

NOOOOOOO

My dragon tendies!!!

[wanton pendant]

So no KFC?

[frosty charm]

the only corpses you can really use against yharim would be the exo mechs or dog's

i don't think he'd particularly care about either

[wanton pendant]

Hitting Yharim with the old spin throw.

[strong notch]

Putting Yharim into exo mechs

[icy veldt]

I suppose it is plausible Yharon would be spiteful enough to do that, just to deny the Terrarian a symbol of successful retribution against the last Auric dragon

[frosty charm]

also that's kind of what phoenixes do

[wanton pendant]

You didn't lose the fight if you technically killed yourself!

[icy veldt]

At least let me have the skull! 🥺

I want to mount it on a pike!

[wanton pendant]

Hollow bones, probably wouldn't make a good weapon.

[strong notch]

Here 💀

[naive storm]

Imagine turning yharon into chicken nuggets and eating them in front of yharim

[wanton pendant]

I just checked and the Yharon trophy is one of his legs.

[strong notch]

Waste of meat

[icy veldt]

Dragon drumstick

[naive storm]

Chicken nuggets

[strong notch]

better to turn it into a meal and then encase

[frosty charm]

and the calamitas trophy is her robes yet she's still fully robed and i doubt she gives you hers so

[wanton pendant]

She had a spare.

And it's only part of her robes.

Technically not even the robe part.

[frosty charm]

shoulder pads yeah

point is idk why she'd just give you that so i doubt they're canon

[icy veldt]

So her NPC sprite should not have shoulder pads

[wanton pendant]

And her brooch.

[strong notch]

First rent payment

[wanton pendant]

We steal them when she's busy crying about the future or something.

[icy veldt]

I don't want to think about what that implies about future rent payments

[wanton pendant]

Along with her purse, and old family photo.

[frosty charm]

also anahitas trophy is her head even though she's like water

[wanton pendant]

Sends a message.

She probably is at least a little bit fish.

[icy veldt]

Is Anahita drinkable?

[wanton pendant]

I'd say no.

[strong notch]

Paying with money she stole from us from enchantment services

[icy veldt]

Darn

[wanton pendant]

Since she'd kill you if you tried.

[icy veldt]

How rude of her!

[frosty charm]

well if she's just a head

i don't see how she would

[wanton pendant]

As well as any other jewellery, since terrorists don't deserve adornments!11!!

Hey, you should always be careful when your enemy's ahead of you.

[frosty charm]

enemie

[wanton pendant]

Silence.

[frosty charm]

it's an anagram for meenie

[wanton pendant]

True.

[long bloom]

true

[frosty charm]

eenie meenie miney moe

is it mo or moe

[wanton pendant]

At least it isn't Freddy Fazbear.

[icy veldt]

Moh

[wanton pendant]

Because Freddy Fastbear he has... five night and Freddy Fivebear gets his friends... uh...

Bunny the Bonnie... Foxy the Foxy, Chicken, and they jumpscares you and then bite you.

[frosty charm]

Don't talk about my friends like that

[wanton pendant]

And speaking of biting, William Afton...

'87.

[icy veldt]

Isn't the bite of '87 where the TF2 Scout died?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

Jeremy was the '87 victim.

[grave forge]

what if scout drank bonk then

[icy veldt]

Pouring Bonk into Ilmeris to make them immune to Calamitas' brimstone genocide-laser

[slender wyvern]

ok im here

[wanton pendant]

Good.

[slender wyvern]

mr waterwraithgaming

[wanton pendant]

Want the war crime chart?

I got it right here!

[slender wyvern]

sure

[slender wyvern]

where is it at

[wanton pendant]

Bone apple tea.

Right there.

Every crime and justification from Team Yharim.

That's why you gotta kill him.

[split mortar]

Hello

[slender wyvern]

idk why every single story maker makes their prime objective to make their characters have a sad backstory

cant the guy just be cruel

its so fun that way

[wanton pendant]

He is, the sad backstory is a footnote really.

[slender wyvern]

also who the fuck is the 4th guy

santa claus?

[lucid niche]

permafrost

[wanton pendant]

He gets abused once and begins burning civilians to death.

[split mortar]

If you want evil for evil theres dog

[wanton pendant]

The ice wizard.

The guy who shows up when you kill Cryogen.

[slender wyvern]

the guy who sells ass weapons?

[slender wyvern]

is he like that important?

[wanton pendant]

Yes, if you're so inclined.

[lucid niche]

the very same!

[north root]

he's old give him a break

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

He's Calamitas' dad. She's adopted.

[split mortar]

Idk being abused by one god does not entail killing half the planet as a morally good thing

[slender wyvern]

exactly

[north root]

yharim told calamitas to kill permafrost but she froze him in ice instead

[split mortar]

He is a multi century old mage who used to advise yharim on wars and shit

[slender wyvern]

i hate that template of characters so much tho

"well he killed half the planet but he had a bad childhood so its okay right??"

[icy veldt]

Part of the point of the mod is that having a bad childhood doesn't make it okay

[slender wyvern]

why cant people just make naturally bad characters

[tropic oak]

hi

[lucid niche]

like yharim

[north root]

i mean you are supposed to beat the shit out of calamitas

[wanton pendant]

It's not ok at all.

[tropic oak]

hi wraith

[slender wyvern]

wait permafrost is the ice cube?

[lucid niche]

like nobody is using his backstory as an excuse

[wanton pendant]

He's very much the very bad guy.

[lucid niche]

his backstory is just there as an explanation

[split mortar]

No one is trying to paint yharim as morally grey but yharim himself

[wanton pendant]

Inside the ice cube.

[tropic oak]

have you played the game?????????????

[slender wyvern]

i dont fucking know

sorry

[north root]

yes this is why he falls out of the ice cube when you kill the ice cube

[tropic oak]

you dont know if youve played the mod

[slender wyvern]

i only know theres an ice cube that spawns a guy after you kill him

[tropic oak]

[slender wyvern]

the guy sells ass weapons

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas has the tragic backstory, Yharim had two bad things happen to him so he murders everyone.

[north root]

i mean DoG's backstory is just that he's evil

[wanton pendant]

At least Yharon had three bad things happen to him.

[slender wyvern]

i would make it that he was born in a loving and rich family but make him evil just because

[slender wyvern]

yharon is a dragon so it dont count

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but that would be for a more comedic story.