lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

no?????

[thorny shell]

why not?

[wanton pendant]

I don't think you can simply create them.

[pliant ruin]

thats such a random assumption to make that he'd just learn how to Create Elementals

[thorny shell]

can you control them?

[wanton pendant]

No.

[pliant ruin]

no

[north root]

what if you use Exotic Resonance though???

[thorny shell]

why?

[pliant ruin]

"why"

[thorny shell]

what can you do with them?

[north root]

it's freaking Exotic

[pliant ruin]

thats. because you cant.

what.

[wanton pendant]

That's.... infinite energy? Nothing to do with Elementals?

[north root]

and Resonant

[pliant ruin]

you cant Do Anything With Them they're just. a type of being that exists.

why can't you Control Lihzards guys

why can't you Do Anything with Lihzards

these are such odd questions im sorry 😭

[wanton pendant]

You can like, hang out with them? Or at least Silva, since she's the only one that's chill.

[north root]

they worship Golem they're a lost cause

[thorny shell]

why? because that means you have something that will always be there. so only elementalists have this kind of thing going on?

[pliant ruin]

incomprehensible

[wanton pendant]

Unless something REALLY bad happened.

[glad reef]

what about the witch doctor

[wanton pendant]

Old.

[pliant ruin]

witch doctor is cool dont diss him

he gets a pass

[north root]

why did SiIva even ascend

[wanton pendant]

Sorry.

[wanton pendant]

We don't know.

Go ask her.

[pliant ruin]

We dunno yet

[wanton pendant]

Oh, wait.

[pliant ruin]

She seems pretty chill though

[wanton pendant]

She's in pieces.

[pliant ruin]

According to Gorthus anyways

[wanton pendant]

At the bottom of the Marinara Trench!

[north root]

i mean it feels like elementals are just more immortal than gods

[thorny shell]

I guess... Drill Containment Unit... I will Drill the world and leave nothing of it...

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

They are.

[pliant ruin]

they absolutely are yeah

gods can still very much die as you can uh. see

[wanton pendant]

Gods don't die of natural causes, other than murder.

[pliant ruin]

elementals uhhh
TECHNICALLY SPEAKING they can i suppose.

[north root]

you can't drill the background

[wanton pendant]

Elementals only die if their concept is erased.

[thorny shell]

sadly...

[wanton pendant]

Which, is impracticle.

[pliant ruin]

i wonder

[thorny shell]

this is depressing

[wanton pendant]

Unless, say, you burned the entire planet to ashes...

[pliant ruin]

what elemental would be the easiest to actually kill

[north root]

what if you blow up the underworld i feel like that would be pretty easy

[thorny shell]

I am starting to feel Yahrim...

[north root]

PROVIDENCE SWEEP

[pliant ruin]

like that genuinely seems like a really hard question to me

[wanton pendant]

Earth.

[north root]

brimmy

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone is kinda heat incarnate, or fire, or something like that.

[pliant ruin]

fire, water, air, earth, life

out of all of these id say definitely not water or air

so it leaves us with

fire, earth, life

[wanton pendant]

Life... you'd die.

[pliant ruin]

yeah life is just

[wanton pendant]

Fire, you'd freeze.

[pliant ruin]

gotta Kill Myself Real Quick

[icy veldt]

I could drink all the water if I get thirsty enough

[wanton pendant]

Water... die.

[pliant ruin]

fire and earth

both seem tough

[thorny shell]

I am done with this conversation... If I can't kill them inside the world, I will just delete the world, and thus they all will die with that world

[wanton pendant]

Earth... maybe?

[thorny shell]

yet my character can visit other worlds

[wanton pendant]

Not how it works.

[wanton pendant]

Still not how it works.

[pliant ruin]

Honestly id say earth probably

initially i was gonna say fire

but

[north root]

is brimmy actually the fire elemental

[pliant ruin]

considering that like

[wanton pendant]

Probably.

[pliant ruin]

the crust of the earth is lava

[icy veldt]

Use a really big drill

[wanton pendant]

Maybe it's more heat?

[pliant ruin]

probably earth ????

[north root]

i thought she was the hell elemental

[wanton pendant]

I'm not sure.

[pliant ruin]

nah

she's Fire

[wanton pendant]

No, why would Hell be an element?

[pliant ruin]

the elementals are just the 4 main elements + life

[thorny shell]

lava is molten earth

[pliant ruin]

air, earth, water, fire

[wanton pendant]

Chaos.

[icy veldt]

Same reason why a compound of hydrogen and oxygen is an element

[glad reef]

but what is "earth"?

[pliant ruin]

all the other elementals are "lesser" versions of them basically

[north root]

water, fire, air and dirt

fucking magnets, how do they work

[pliant ruin]

ice elementals - lesser water elementals
granite elementals - lesser earth elementals

[wanton pendant]

I'm going to kill you... then I'm going to kill you again.

[thorny shell]

deleting earth, and deleting all solid matter with it

[north root]

therefore siIva is the magnet elemental, solved it

[pliant ruin]

basically elementals of a type that just change based on their surrounding

[real glen]

Elemental brainrot

[wanton pendant]

Well, they're like, parts of the same elemental.

They can kinda split into pieces.

At least, Air does.

[north root]

i feel like brimmy is lava elemental at least

[icy veldt]

Fart elementals - lesser air elementals

[wanton pendant]

It's very much more fire.

[pliant ruin]

Brim herself is Brimstone, as her name impleis, which is the shape she's currently taking

[north root]

also why is earth elemental so weak

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone is just, like, sulphur, and she's fire themed, and sulphur is fire associated.

[frosty charm]

Hellemental

[north root]

is it because they are stupid

[pliant ruin]

But she's a Fire Elemental overall

[thorny shell]

question, is there an Astrum Elemental in big star corruption places outside our world?

[pliant ruin]

The same way the Granite Elementals are just a subtype of Earth

[wanton pendant]

I mean, sand isn't that strong.

[north root]

is it because we ran out of budget for elemental bosses

[wanton pendant]

Probably not.

[pliant ruin]

Earth Elemental (the miniboss guy) is not an actual elemental

[wanton pendant]

Terraria made Sand Elemental.

[pliant ruin]

It's a construct made by Azafurians

[thorny shell]

then if I star infect the entire world, every elemental will die

[north root]

i feel like the earth should be the strongest elemental on the earth

[thorny shell]

finally...

[pliant ruin]

The Sand Elementals are just, weaker than Anahita or Brimmy due to being less "concentrated", iirc

[wanton pendant]

You would need a lot of rotten stars.

[thorny shell]

if you have enough time... I don't see why not

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone doesn't dilute their power, I guess.

[north root]

that could actually work let's do it

[pliant ruin]

Also explains why there's multiple of em

[real glen]

ingame earth elemental is...
Well

[thorny shell]

I will

[north root]

the humble astral solution:

[pliant ruin]

its not that

earth is inherently weaker than fire

[wanton pendant]

There's still life, earth, fire, air, and water in Astral Infection.

[pliant ruin]

its just that the elementals we encounter ingame that represent earth are just, not as strong

[thorny shell]

what is "earth"?

earth is everything solid, is it not?

[north root]

rock and stone

[wanton pendant]

A miserable little pile of secrets?

[pliant ruin]

ground and rock types from pokemonm

[thorny shell]

aren't we made out of earth elements too?

[pliant ruin]

thats earth

[wanton pendant]

Behold, Earth!

[north root]

they're not actual elements guys

[thorny shell]

its solid

so yes

[north root]

cryogen is earth elemental

and since calamitas used brimstone magic to make cryogen

[thorny shell]

if there is ice under you, is it not still the ground that you are standing on?

[wanton pendant]

No.

[north root]

brimstone elemental = earth elemental

[wanton pendant]

She used Cryomancy.

[pliant ruin]

She didn't use brimstone magic to make cryogen nah
Keep in mind she can't only use that one

[real glen]

This conversation is like im watching pokemon element chart

[pliant ruin]

She just uses it in her fight bc

It's her strongest magic

[wanton pendant]

She knows other magic.

[north root]

i thought this said cryptocurrency for a second

[pliant ruin]

and shes trying to fucking kill you

shes red because she wants to fucking kill you

[north root]

hello earth elemental. are you immortal

[pliant ruin]

like this

[wanton pendant]

But her other magic isn't as powerful offensively.
(I think it'd be cool if used it as supplements to her main attacks though.)

[thorny shell]

also one moments... if you delete the stone and ground and rocks... you fall into the center of the world

GG

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[pliant ruin]

It would be cool seeing her use magic outside of combat

[visual kiln]

calamitas image

[pliant ruin]

Perhaps in her npc form or in cutscenes or something

[visual kiln]

calcore

[pliant ruin]

Would be cute imo

[glad reef]

-# why do people commit sins, knowing they are wrong?

[wanton pendant]

If you're too annoying she Snowgraves you.

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/punishing-bird-lobotomy-corporation-project-moon-pet-gif-5397579874723295167

[visual kiln]

Imagine if she changed color

Like her clothes

[north root]

okay what if i replace the planet entirely with frozen helium

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas casual fit is something id love to see tbh

[visual kiln]

Yea

[wanton pendant]

Ditto.

[pliant ruin]

Maybe if she has high enough happiness as a npc

[wanton pendant]

Who the HELL draws it up like that!

[visual kiln]

Imagine seeing cal in like

A hoodie or something

And jeans

[pliant ruin]

not beating them

the allegations

[thorny shell]

I say the easiest to kill is the water elementalist by far, because there are many planets that have no water, + water is just H2O, with enough energy turn it all into gases, and if you want to make sure, bind these gases to other elements to turn them into rocks

[pliant ruin]

NOT beating them

[wanton pendant]

This is what she should wear.

[visual kiln]

What allegations

[north root]

maybe after her fight she gives up brimstone magic so like she changes her fit and stuff

[thorny shell]

viola, water has ended

[wanton pendant]

No water = you die.

[pliant ruin]

you just described the clothes i wear most of the time

[thorny shell]

and if you are a robot like Deargon or whatever his name

[wanton pendant]

Probably a bad idea.

[thorny shell]

you dont neet water

[north root]

my mortality is not a factor

[pliant ruin]

not beating the allegations

[visual kiln]

mhm

[thorny shell]

robots are inharently strong against water elementalists

[wanton pendant]

You really do.

[thorny shell]

I suppose

[thorny shell]

how?

its just metal

and oil

[wanton pendant]

Machines don't mix well with water.

[visual kiln]

i did in fact imagine u specifically in those clothes

[north root]

if i need water where is the thirst meter

[wanton pendant]

Look to the bottom right.

[thorny shell]

so draegon or whatever his name need water/

[wanton pendant]

Dragon or Draedon?

[thorny shell]

Draedon

[glad reef]

i don't think an ai

needs water?

[wanton pendant]

Draedon could use it for cooling.

[thorny shell]

does he need water?

[glad reef]

tru

[thorny shell]

"could"

but "need"?

[north root]

what if Draedon wanted to destroy all of the elementals though

[wanton pendant]

And he may need it to grow Sea Prisms.

[wanton pendant]

He's like, second best candidate.

[thorny shell]

I say wind elementalist is the hardest to kill c:

harder than life

[glad reef]

he's definitely got a backup for if water isn't an option tho

[wanton pendant]

It's Air.

[thorny shell]

air

that

[wanton pendant]

Certainly.

[thorny shell]

robots ai are just built diffy

is he truly even alive?

[north root]

what if i transmit my consciousness into a robot body and Then kill all the elementals

[thorny shell]

the counter to almost all elementals

[wanton pendant]

He doesn't have a soul, probably. Which you would know if you read the chart.

[thorny shell]

that's my point, he can end all life and viola, elemental of life ended

remove all water and elemental of water ended

as for earth and air, tough

[glad reef]

that would mess up a lot of his research i feel

[north root]

why would he have a soul his name isn't WB-00: Draedon or anything

[thorny shell]

but he is the only one who can be argued to be able to end elementals

[wanton pendant]

Warner Brothers?! Of course, that's why he's soulless!

[wanton pendant]

The Xeroc in the corner:

[thorny shell]

Xeroc is alive

[north root]

w for wulfrum, b for essence of babil

[thorny shell]

isn't he?

[wanton pendant]

The Blue Providence in the corner:

[glad reef]

xeroc is way too strong

[north root]

light generates heat

[thorny shell]

is he alive or not tho

[wanton pendant]

It's Primordial Light.

[thorny shell]

if you remove life, he will die, won't he?

[wanton pendant]

Do gods count?

[north root]

sunlight is the source of all heat on the planet

[thorny shell]

you can kill gods

can't you?

killing is removing the life of

[wanton pendant]

In real life, maybe.

[north root]

if gods don't count all we need to do is yoink yharon's auric soul and then destroy the elementals

[wanton pendant]

Of course, as dangerous as the Elementals are, destroying them is a bad idea.

[thorny shell]

I am saying Xeroc is alive, so he can't go against life. and he can't do without water since his body is that of a human (if it is not then maybe)

[north root]

we're destroying them only because you keep saying we can't

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is also a god and doesn't need food or water.

[north root]

the indomitable human spirit vs. the actual lore of the mod

[wanton pendant]

Their body is likely no longer remotely human anymore.

[distant smelt]

The radioactive decay in the earth’s core:

[thorny shell]

the indomitable human spirit always wins

[thorny shell]

ok then fine, that is earth, and water

what about life? and air?

[wanton pendant]

Doesn't need air.

Immortal.

[thorny shell]

but what will he turn it into?

[eager bluff]

that... isnt even what heats the planet outside of the sun

[north root]

life probably doesn't extend to immortal things yeah

[thorny shell]

air is everywhere, funny enough, even in space there are gases

[wanton pendant]

And Xeroc can get rid of the sun.

[thorny shell]

that is still not enough to remove air

[wanton pendant]

If they can move the entire sun, they can probably get rid of a bit of air.

[north root]

where would you put it though

[wanton pendant]

Inside the sun.

So it gets broken down.

[thorny shell]

you mean just in terraria world? or in every world, like the ones moon lord came from and so on and so forth?

what is the scope?

[north root]

the scope is just terraria world i think

[thorny shell]

and yes, there is earth inside the sun

the sun core is iron

[wanton pendant]

We don't know if Moon Lord's from a planet. They could be from a moon, or a space egg.

[wanton pendant]

How do you know?

[north root]

it wouldn't make much sense for the elementals to have power over other planets

[thorny shell]

you can check it

[wanton pendant]

We're talking about Xeroc's sun.

Not the real sun.

[thorny shell]

the fusion reaction ends at iron

[wanton pendant]

How do you know.

Xeroc's sun is magic.

[north root]

it doesn't

[thorny shell]

not Xeroc's ours

[wanton pendant]

So... how is that relevant?

[distant smelt]

I dont think earth includes all land in the universe

[thorny shell]

the ones that is energy efficient

[thorny shell]

not really

[wanton pendant]

So why bring it up?

[thorny shell]

but how do you know that there is no air in space like in our world?

[wanton pendant]

I never claimed as such?

[thorny shell]

true

[north root]

iron stars are not inside of the sun, they happen when the star decays

[thick slate]

theres no way xerocs star is fusing heavier than iron

[leaden bridge]

this is why the cosmology being different is so weird it introduces so many little weirdnesses

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc's sun is magic. And it isn't a star.

[wanton pendant]

It's called peak.

[distant smelt]

Stars i.nCalamity are mana

[north root]

i mean how do we know that

[wanton pendant]

Because stars are big balls of mana.

[thorny shell]

what I am saying is, you don't know if air exist in space like in our world or not

[leaden bridge]

The devs, ,, aughhhhhhhhhhhh

[distant smelt]

Draedon

[wanton pendant]

And the sun is not that.

[leaden bridge]

Well we'd assume space is at least the same

[wanton pendant]

With more tentacle monsters.

[leaden bridge]

mana stars work like normal stars anyways

[wanton pendant]

I mean, not really?

[distant smelt]

Do they really though?

[thorny shell]

not really

[leaden bridge]

they do

[wanton pendant]

Normal stars don't fall out of the sky.

[leaden bridge]

They're just smaller and do that

[thorny shell]

there is magic gravity attraction

[wanton pendant]

Or turn into the rot.

Or get eaten by big worms.

[glad reef]

the rot consumes

[leaden bridge]

but they're just condensed space clouds

[thorny shell]

I say... if the terrarian became draedon

[wanton pendant]

?

[thick slate]

xeroc is weak

[thorny shell]

then could resist star infection

[wanton pendant]

No.

[thorny shell]

and turned himself insto an astrum robot

and star infected everything

[wanton pendant]

Draedon can't resist it due to the robot body being vulnerable.

[thorny shell]

then we can kill the elementals

BOOM

[wanton pendant]

And also Draedon's a different person.

[thorny shell]

sad...

[wanton pendant]

So we can't become him.

[distant smelt]

Infected earth is still earth

[thorny shell]

I guess we die together with the elementals

[wanton pendant]

Infected life is still alive.

[leaden bridge]

draedon should just make itself a body out of astral ore

[thorny shell]

no its a star

[leaden bridge]

It's frankly that simple

[thorny shell]

the question is

[wanton pendant]

No.

It's infected earth.

Still made of earth.

[thorny shell]

do you think there is an astrum elemntal or not?

[wanton pendant]

With rotten star infiltrating it.

[north root]

what if we just reverse-engineered draedon's dead body and figured out how to make our own draedon

[wanton pendant]

I doubt it.

[leaden bridge]

already infected matter can't be reinfected

[wanton pendant]

Ill advised.

[distant smelt]

The astral infection is not star it is a disease that primarily infects stars

[leaden bridge]

Just use infected everything and make a robot body

[thorny shell]

so if we made the whole world star infection?

[thorny shell]

its a disease when the star gets too big

[wanton pendant]

Everyone would have a bad time.

[distant smelt]

It also infected a comet which is how it got here

[thorny shell]

instead of colabsing under its own weight

[wanton pendant]

No?

[thorny shell]

it gets star infected

[distant smelt]

Did

[wanton pendant]

It infected Astrum Deus.

Who threw a star at the planet.

[north root]

is silva the life elemental or nature elemental.

[leaden bridge]

that'd be good but we still don't know where draedon's mind comes from so we'd be missing that key component

[wanton pendant]

Comets and stars are different things.

[real glen]

ah yes sick deus

[eager bluff]

nature elemental, life goddess

[wanton pendant]

Probably the dead guy.

[distant smelt]

I thought it was an infected meteor (not a comet but still)

[thorny shell]

sick infant dues Q _Q

he still a baby dues :c

[north root]

so then why can't we kill her without exterminating all life

[leaden bridge]

well but we don't know if it's a brain upload or complex ai

[wanton pendant]

No, it's a star that Astrum Deus threw at Terraria, probably.

[wanton pendant]

Because she's the Nature Elemental.

You'd have to kill all of nature.

[north root]

nature is not life

[leaden bridge]

Might be a mix of both even

[north root]

it's a different thing

[distant smelt]

Then
Then what about the astral meteor that lands with it 100% of the time?

[wanton pendant]

Please re-read that.

[leaden bridge]

dawg

[thick slate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1001277848763514990/1397304800420565124/GvN3O7Na0AAS6eD.gif

FUCK

[wanton pendant]

That is the star.

[thorny shell]

life is not natural

I agree

[thick slate]

why do i have embed perms in every channel but this one

worst channel

[wanton pendant]

Because you're not powerful enough.

[leaden bridge]

Lore disc doesn't get embed perms

Because of their sins

[real glen]

I wonder how Terrarian did not infected by astral
Even aureus infected

[wanton pendant]

Grow in strength and return.

[thorny shell]

ok at least let's agree.. Draedon can kill life elemental

[wanton pendant]

Because sapience.

[thorny shell]

I will take this as a partial win

at least we got rid of one!

[leaden bridge]

anyways "nature isn't life" is ultra semantics on this one because like what else could "killing nature" possibly entail

[thorny shell]

the indomitable human spirit never loses!

[leaden bridge]

You can't kill rocks

[thick slate]

yea u can

[north root]

synthesize an artificial species

that's life, it's not nature

[wanton pendant]

Still nature.

[north root]

how

[thorny shell]

its not natural

[leaden bridge]

awesome! Not relevant because to our knowledge terraria has none

[wanton pendant]

Because it's a living organism. Thus part of nature.

[thorny shell]

even our life is not natural

does air decay?

does earth decay?

[real glen]

Even I can't control this star infection - draedon, probably

[thick slate]

brain death

[north root]

this is not the definition of nature

[wanton pendant]

Are you saying Calamitas Clone doesn't count for killing Silva?

[north root]

look at a dictionary and look up nature

[wanton pendant]

You are so desperate for this insane argument to work.

You know it makes no sense, right?

[thick slate]

my computer is a natural organism

[thorny shell]

no I say Draedon kills all life, and since he is not alive, the elemental of life dies but draedon is existing

he has no soul

[distant smelt]

Ok so i checked and explicitly it just says “astral matter” so idek atp

[wanton pendant]

Do you think that the concept of nature will notice that Calamitas Clone was lab-grown and as such doesn't count her.

[leaden bridge]

"nature" as a whole isn't a thing you can kill so it's pretty obvious Silva's life is tied to just Terraria's natural life since again, killing "nature" is just indeed killing life because the other natural things that aren't alive aren't alive and thus cant be killed like please you guys are smart you know what words mean and how we use them you don't have to be ultra semantics warrior about stuff so simple

[wanton pendant]

Do you think that that's something that could be considered.

[thick slate]

no she counts

[wanton pendant]

Exactly my point.

Obviously she counts.

Since she's nature.

[thick slate]

robot doesnt

[north root]

she's a clone of a natural organism

[leaden bridge]

We'd say whether or not she counts is irrelevant tbh

[wanton pendant]

Yeah robot doesn't.

[thorny shell]

????????

Life is not nature...

and robot ai is not alive

[north root]

i need to hear your definition of nature

i'm so confused

[leaden bridge]

you can't kill things that aren't alive this isn't complex

[wanton pendant]

Robots aren't natural, obviously?

[leaden bridge]

Like you don't need to pull out definitions

[wanton pendant]

I really shouldn't need to explain this.

[north root]

i don't know who was arguing this

[leaden bridge]

silva just needs no natural life to exist to die

[thick slate]

but an artificial species is

[eager bluff]

i love arguing semantics with people predisposed to not agree with your arguments

[distant smelt]

Calclones existence is unnatural but this does not mean calclone is not a part of nature

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, since... they're alive, and were created.

[thick slate]

so robots

[wanton pendant]

Thus, nature.

Robots aren't truly alive.

[real glen]

think it like, they have living flesh part

[leaden bridge]

technically everything is natural

[wanton pendant]

Otherwise they'd resist Astral Infection.

[thorny shell]

you can end things that are not alive by turning them into something else and that something else needs to be more stable than the current thing

[thick slate]

you can synthesise a species without living flesh

[north root]

so your definition of nature is something that is alive and was created, you could have just said that.

[wanton pendant]

Concerning statement.

[north root]

this is why this argument is so stupid

[wanton pendant]

Read a dictionary.

[wanton pendant]

It's your argument.

[thick slate]

so are the robots from detroit become human

natural

[thorny shell]

but life is nature or isn't, I want to proof something... long before life in earth... before even one cell organism emerged... was earth the planet nature? nature could exist without life?

[wanton pendant]

No, according to Calamity.

[wanton pendant]

And Calamitas Clone, an artificial life form, is an animal.

[thick slate]

but its an artificial species

[wanton pendant]

Thus, nature.

[eager bluff]

its SEMANTICS why are we ARGUING IT when we already know we DONT AGREE and WON'T AGREE

[distant smelt]

No it’s a robot

[thick slate]

its alive

[thorny shell]

Can nature exist without life?

[thick slate]

and it was created

[leaden bridge]

that's not killing

[north root]

i'll stop

[wanton pendant]

No.

[distant smelt]

Not according to calamity

[thorny shell]

thats killing the elemental that represents that element

[leaden bridge]

It's pretty arbitrary

[thick slate]

according to WaterWraithGaming it does

[thorny shell]

we are not arguing about killing that nature itself

[wanton pendant]

I said the opposite.

[thorny shell]

but killing the elemental that represents it or transform it into another form

[leaden bridge]

Natural is just everything that's ever existed sans everything Humans have made

[distant smelt]

Do i look like them?

[wanton pendant]

Humans made other humans, which are natural.

[thorny shell]

before any life emerged in this world, was it not nature?

[leaden bridge]

Despite the fact there's no real distinction between our creations and a spider web but degrees of complexity

[real glen]

Mmm are clones artificial species
Well complex question..

[wanton pendant]

Are you high?

[thick slate]

clones are not an artificial species

[thorny shell]

you said nature can't exist without life

[thick slate]

its an artificial creation

[wanton pendant]

So... what does that have to do with anything?

[leaden bridge]

again everything is nature

Kike everything is natural

[thick slate]

of a pre existing species

[distant smelt]

I agree with this specific point actually

[leaden bridge]

like literally the only things that aren't natural r human creations

[north root]

everything is nature because nothing can be made from non-nature

[thorny shell]

GUYS WAIT WAIT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MANY THINGS AND CONFUSING THINGS

LETS AGREE WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT FIRST

[wanton pendant]

The patron is making intentionally nonesensical arguments.

[leaden bridge]

But since it'd be stupid for Silva's death condition to be 'universe has to stop existing' it's pretty clear it just means "life in terraria"

[thick slate]

i asked if the androids from thing are natural

[zenith geode]

what would draedon think of hallucigenia

[thick slate]

you said no

[wanton pendant]

That's why you're confused.

[distant smelt]

I got here late so that would be nice

[thick slate]

even though that goes against your criteria

[wanton pendant]

No it doesn't?

[thick slate]

you said alive and created

[wanton pendant]

And robots aren't counted.

In Calamity.

[thick slate]

why not

[north root]

definitely not intentional

[wanton pendant]

They aren't regarded as alive.

[north root]

why not

[thick slate]

but some robots could be

[wanton pendant]

Well, not in Calamity.

[distant smelt]

Not in calamity

[thick slate]

at what point does soemthing stop being a robot

[zenith geode]

if it has a soul, is it alive?

[wanton pendant]

Dreadon ain't.

[eager bluff]

we are arguing meaningless semantics ive seen where these discussions start and how they end in the same exact way with no common consensus being reached and everybody being angry

[leaden bridge]

It'd program robot replicas to experience them if it doesn't just outright find a way to revive them entirely

[north root]

is skeletron prime alive? it;s a robot with a soul

[thick slate]

if you gave draedon a soul

is it alive

[wanton pendant]

Maybe?

[thick slate]

nice

[zenith geode]

is SHPC alive due to having souls?

[leaden bridge]

anyways semantics argument over silva dies when all life on terraria is dead

[thick slate]

megashark is alive

[real glen]

Well about that lets question that to lore writers

[north root]

i'm scared if i leave people will defame me

[distant smelt]

Im going to have a migraine

[wanton pendant]

Yay?

[north root]

hooray

[thorny shell]

RECAP
The main agenda is: Killing the elementals in Calamity lore.

I argued that since Draedon is a robot AI and has no soul, then he is not alive, thus if we remove all life in the world, the elemental of life will die and Draedon will survive.

Now: A new argument appeared which asks: "Is Life Nature? or is it not?"

[leaden bridge]

Well obviously it is

[wanton pendant]

Of course.

[leaden bridge]

Everything is natural except things humanity makes

[thick slate]

not all life is nature

[wanton pendant]

Name one thing.

[leaden bridge]

clones r technically human made but we don't give a shit frankly

[distant smelt]

Why

[wanton pendant]

On Terraria that is alive and not nature.

[thick slate]

because you can make artifical life

[thorny shell]

Me and @north root argue it is not because

Can nature exist without life?
if not, then what was the nature of our world before life began to exist

[wanton pendant]

And what artificial life is counted?

[thick slate]

none of it

[leaden bridge]

on Terraria only really like calclone is objectively made by something that counts as humankind

[north root]

if something is artifical it is definitionally not nature

[thick slate]

exactly

[leaden bridge]

So it's pretty meaningless whether she counts or not

[thick slate]

artificial and natural are opposite terms

you cant be both

[wanton pendant]

And technically, humans are natural, even if they are made by other humans.

[zenith geode]

are there ligers

[thorny shell]

meanwhile @wanton pendant@leaden bridge argued that it is, because everything within nature is nature, such is life, thus even artificial life is life

[leaden bridge]

Wdk it's a pretty arbitrary definition

[north root]

these are very helpful recaps

[leaden bridge]

Useful but arbitrary

[zenith geode]

or donkeys

[north root]

ligers

[thick slate]

are GMOs natural

[wanton pendant]

If I make a garden, it's artificial nature.

[leaden bridge]

Again there's not much difference between a spider web and a house

[wanton pendant]

Kinda!

[thick slate]

kinda?

are you dense

[thorny shell]

@north root and I argue that nature and life are seperate, because nature can do without life, but life can not

[wanton pendant]

Yeah it's like, breeding. But plants.

[eager bluff]

its semantics its inherently arbitrary

[thorny shell]

life is dependant on nature, but not visa verca

[thick slate]

not always

[leaden bridge]

You're true

[north root]

if we killed everything besides GMOs would silva still be alive? we don't know. i don't care anymore

[wanton pendant]

I didn't do Agricultrual Science, sue me.

[wanton pendant]

Obviously she would.

[thick slate]

ok

[thorny shell]

anyhow I agree with @north root

[north root]

i hate silva now we should never add her ever

[thorny shell]

that Silva will die

[leaden bridge]

ultimately everything artificial is also natural because humans are part of nature and natural things are a result of nature

#deep

[eager bluff]

just fucking kill everything that could in any way be considered alive then silva dies congrats we solved the issue

[wanton pendant]

Yay?

[north root]

we learned today that nature has a very loose definition

[thorny shell]

no one arguing against that

[wanton pendant]

No, just that you refuse to read.

[leaden bridge]

Just blow up the planet

[wanton pendant]

Good idea.

[north root]

please stop

[thick slate]

yea thats fucking stupid

[thorny shell]

I agree that artificial life is life, and that life is part of nature

[leaden bridge]

We're not sure if being alive is much consolation for silva if she's an incorporeal spirit

[distant smelt]

In case anyone cares i’m dipping until this argument evolves into anything that isn’t edge cases and stupidity

[thorny shell]

Can nature exist without a life?

[wanton pendant]

No.

Of course not.

[thorny shell]

why can it not?

[wanton pendant]

That's insane.

[thorny shell]

why can't it ?

[leaden bridge]

No because nature is an arbitrary concept defined by humans, which are life

[eager bluff]

please stop

[wanton pendant]

By the literal definition of the words.

[leaden bridge]

[thick slate]

but life can exist without nature

[thorny shell]

so the world didn't exist before humans?

[leaden bridge]

THAT'S NOT ULTIMATESMUG

[thorny shell]

before creatures?

[wanton pendant]

Look, I'm going to sleep, you can scream into the void.

[north root]

you should go to sleep

[thorny shell]

how/

[eager bluff]

like genuinely please stop

[leaden bridge]

THAT'S NOT HOW THAT'S CALLED

[thorny shell]

so before every living organism, the world didn't exist?

nature didn't exist?

not the word, but what we consider as nature

what we define as nature

[leaden bridge]

Circling back to draedon and weird animals we think draedon would really like weird animals and do its best to study them

[eager bluff]

this is going nowhere, it will end nowhere that we aren't already at, and the only thing to be gained is wasted time and needless anger

[north root]

i think we're done

[thorny shell]

I think so too 🤷‍♂️ lol

[thick slate]

this is so fun

[thorny shell]

Nature > Life

[thorny shell]

I agree

[thick slate]

me > nature

[thorny shell]

me > you

wait

me ❤️ you

[north root]

i don't know why they disagreed with this

[leaden bridge]

as draedon says itself it's gonna be a while until it's done studying Terraria they probably have an individual server dedicated to each and every animal on the planet

[thorny shell]

correction

[tall delta]

doesnt xeroc canonically stalks 60% of your playthrough

[thorny shell]

well, our argument is about life, not nature tho

which is funny

[thick slate]

does draedon know he lives inside a video game

someone should tell him

[leaden bridge]

hey you know what's fun and related how do you think non animal taxonomy works in Terraria's world

[thorny shell]

I tried... he tried to dox me in game...

[north root]

green slime

[thorny shell]

too bad i doxxed him preimtively lol

[eager bluff]

this is how every discussion about semantics ends if there is not a previously established consensus, if there is a previously established consensus the same thing happens but without the anger parts

[leaden bridge]

Are zombies and skeletons and slimes all part of a "monster" kingdom

[thorny shell]

no one is angry tho

what?

[north root]

depends on if skeletons and zombies come from dead humans or not

[leaden bridge]

elementals are technically magical constructs but they're still like a Type of being where the fuck would you put them

There's too many differences between magical constructs to say they're like a single global thing at any level surely?

[north root]

i feel like we have this already with the bestiary

it groups by biome

which i think could work somewhat

[leaden bridge]

that's lame though

it's also just One way of grouping when we have a bajillion

[north root]

anyway skeletons are weird because i'm not sure if they're dead humans

[thorny shell]

they are weak in game eitherways

[thorny shell]

according to the story, yes

the ones in the dungeons

they are prisoners

[leaden bridge]

We can also divide all entities on earth by whether or not they live in tundras but that doesn't mean that's sensical if you want proper classifications

[thorny shell]

that Yahrim took and threw into the dungeon

[leaden bridge]

A penguin is just a penguin but like

[north root]

taxonomy by rarity stars

[leaden bridge]

Ice Golems aren't ice elementals and unless they're made by perma or some bullshit like that they're both just different types of magical constructs

Like granite elemental

[north root]

we group by elemental then

[leaden bridge]

We're ignoring chaos we always ignore chaos nobody likes that guy

[tall delta]

since boss rush exists and its canon, dude was just watching a random person fighting big monsters

[north root]

which elemental are they in the jurisdiction of

[north root]

not much else to do when you live in the sun and all you have is a rock

[thick slate]

guyss just play silksong

its so fun

[thorny shell]

we actually were asking the wrong question

[north root]

i'm too poor to play silksong so i have to argue on discord instead

[thorny shell]

we should have asked, what is life?

[leaden bridge]

anyways the problem with like the division of life is that like Terraria's many species r sooo diverse

[thorny shell]

its $8

[leaden bridge]

We're unsure a big all encompassing Monster group would ever make sense

[north root]

it's $20 isn't it

[thorny shell]

$8 for me

[thick slate]

also like does a zombie count as a separate

[thorny shell]

I bought it for $8

want to add me on steam

[leaden bridge]

plants mushrooms animals and the others we don't care about much r all pretty strictly divided thanks to genetics now

[thorny shell]

send me $8

and I will gift it to you

or maybe I can't gift it cuz different region?

dont know steam wanky system

[leaden bridge]

Do zombies and skeletons even have like dna they're monsters

[thick slate]

what

[leaden bridge]

assuming they aren't just actual revived people

[thick slate]

yess?

i assume they are revived people

[thorny shell]

@north root

check this out

[leaden bridge]

Well then let's move to other types of monsters

[north root]

i feel like that definition is much more obvious

[leaden bridge]

Slimes r just slimes so obviously they have some basic genetic data

[thorny shell]

basically we can argue that nature has both organic and non-organic matter. Thus if organic matter/life was removed, nature will still exist

because non-organic matter exists

[leaden bridge]

magical constructs like golems or elementals or possessed armor r, well, magical

[thorny shell]

and before organic matter ever existed, non-organic matter always existed

[leaden bridge]

Then there's ghosts and spirits, obviously no dna there that's just paranormals

[thorny shell]

that was our argument I believe

what do you think?

[north root]

i think they should be grouped by what type of magic is animating them

[north root]

i was really just asking waterwraith what he meant by nature because i genuinely didn't understand

[leaden bridge]

Most other monsters we can think of rn r just basically animals

[north root]

where does a vampire go

[leaden bridge]

the demons and imps we guess are not necessarily? But, they prob work like that

Vampires r basically people

[thorny shell]

for me that was my argument for nature existing without life but life can't without nature

[leaden bridge]

Depending on what you wanna believe about them they can change a lot but they're basically just "humans with a curse" like werewolves

most eclipse enemies r weird on that regard

we'd throw them in the same group as zombies and skeletons though

fucked up "people"

demon serpents are legit animals that just like? Die? And their bones just keep going or some shit since 1.4 we know that when they were alive they were obsidian serpents

so like they're just revived animal

Fairies are fairies

Magical being

[distant smelt]

Does magic count as nature? Because as far as it’s reasonable to assume mana is totally natural

[north root]

i think the best definition for nature in terraria is everything that an earth human would think is natural

and then everything else is magic

and besides that is artificial things

[leaden bridge]

Yes

[north root]

this is really only a definition for silva's domain of nature however

what is actual nature is subjective

[leaden bridge]

anyways in conclusion slimes go with animals Somewhere and throw basically all else into a new category that's just Magical Beings

either zombies and skeletons and the weird eclipse enemies r fucked up people so there's no distinction or they're new, different magical beings and thus go in magical beings

Martians obviously go in animal

Machines don't get taxonomical anything because they're machines

We don't fucking care about the holiday moons but everything in them already fits either

Is the truffle a mushroom or an animal

he's a mushroom but it's a fun question to ask

[distant smelt]

He’s a fungus

Btw categorically i font think mushrooms have souls but they can attain them

[cosmic zenith]

I wonder if he'd be able to create a more realistic phylogenetic/taxonomical system

[leaden bridge]

truffle has a soul

[distant smelt]

Irl ofc

[leaden bridge]

You're a hater

[distant smelt]

Idk about calamity mushroom sould

[north root]

truffle doesn't have a soul but all other mushroom people do

[leaden bridge]

How the fuck does a real life mushroom attain a soul

[north root]

he just sucks

[leaden bridge]

That's scary

[cosmic zenith]

What determines what creatures get and don't get souls

[distant smelt]

Great toil

[north root]

slay a dragon

[leaden bridge]

well obviously

[distant smelt]

And penance

[leaden bridge]

The problem really only comes with the things that don't have genetic material

which is basically all just magical beings that don't reproduce but instead just kind of exist

[distant smelt]

Bearded and komodos dont count so i guess the mushrooms will never know love

[cosmic zenith]

I don't mean like in general

I mean a system that doesn't suffer as much from the inherent human need for "box" classification

[leaden bridge]

well uh

We're not really sure what u mean by that

[cosmic zenith]

Basically

As an example, we divide vertebrates into fishes, amphibians, reptiles, avians and mammals
But the march of evolution isn't like skipping stones, there were intermediary species that could fit in more than one category, or none, or represent evolution towards a new type of being
Like how dinosaurs represent the branching of reptiles into avians

I wonder if Draedon would come up with a more blurred system that took into consideration such things

[leaden bridge]

We mean we guess so since they're meant to be really awesome smart and logical and efficient

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, agreed

It's fun to think about this aspect of Draedon

I wish people thought more about it rather than wondering what his next big glopshittobuster mech will be

[pliant ruin]

stip

im gonna be so real with you

this exists

its called philogeny

😭

[cosmic zenith]

Phylogeny still has its issues with this

It shows us how things connect, but doesn't really make the nomenclature less rigid

[pliant ruin]

it kind of does tbh ?

like

[leaden bridge]

maybe if its ingame characterization leaned more into it still mad about the names thing

[pliant ruin]

the idea of separating reptiles from birds because birds have feathers and reptiles don't per example

[vagrant star]

He'll make the thrash machine next trust (is lying)

[pliant ruin]

that is a concept that is just

superficial

It's sthe stuff that's fine for a casual talk

[cosmic zenith]

You know, I did want the Sunken Sea to have these Draedon data bots at some point that researched the local fauna and flora

[leaden bridge]

The trash machine is actually very important because as a parallel to the vessel

[pliant ruin]

But when you actually get down to the scientific discourse about it

yeah birds are just reptiles

[cosmic zenith]

And breaking them gave you a boost in the Bestiary

[pliant ruin]

in philogeny there's no "boxes" that things are separated from eachother in, it's just, branching really

[cosmic zenith]

How do you classify a feathered dinosaur

[pliant ruin]

reptile because philogeny isn't determined on superficial traits like that but evolutionary descendancy :p

[leaden bridge]

It's an animal

[pliant ruin]

if it's in the clade "aves", it's a bird

if its not, not a bird

[leaden bridge]

[pliant ruin]

aves being a clade within maniraptora, which is a clade within theropoda, which is within dinosaurs bla bla bla

[vagrant star]

Hell yeah

[cosmic zenith]

There's no real issue with present-day species because evolutionary branching is a very slow process and for the most part, it'd be hard to recognize a transitional species through a punctual imprint alone

[visual kiln]

birds are dinosaurs

[pliant ruin]

all tetrapods are fish also

you're a fish

technically also means that

someone whos saying "arent whales fish"

is actually right.

crazy.

[cosmic zenith]

So essentially you're saying that a creature needs to have all the defining traits of a given classification (like "Aves"), otherwise it is classified as the previous classification in the branching
That not only can cause some wacky classification for intermediaries but also needs to account for potential exceptions to the rules of the classification

[leaden bridge]

what if draedon isn't a brain upload nor an ai but there's like a hamster inside and it's not found out yet

[pliant ruin]

No, not all

[leaden bridge]

Maybe it's a bunch of underpaid third worlders from outside the heartlands

[pliant ruin]

Just whatever are the defining evolutionary traits of the clade aves

Stip respectfully this is like. universaly agreed on by scholars and is the system that's been used for like hundreds of years now and there's a uncountable amount of studies done surrounding it

I think you're biting of more than you can chew by questioning it 😭

[cosmic zenith]

But if it doesn't take all defining traits, which ones, or how many, are needed to establish something as avian?

You should know that scientific progress is made exactly because people bothered to question the existing systems :p

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but

people who are qualified

and. stip. completely respectfully here.

you're not 😭

i'm not either, being eal

neither of us are

[cosmic zenith]

Well, yeah, none of us are
And I'm not speaking with authority here, I'm sharing my opinion in regards to a speculation

[pliant ruin]

because it's pretty clear to me that you don't understand the exact intrigues of how it works given, again, not trying to be mean here, but just, respectfully
i think i know more about it than you do and even i wouldn't able to do anything close to actually contesting it

[cosmic zenith]

Which is why I'm asking you more questions than you are asking me

[pliant ruin]

fair enough

[cosmic zenith]

I'm testing the model

Do you see how, despite the fact that it can organize things very neatly, it does take some liberties?

[pliant ruin]

The only liberties it really takes come down to categorizing where a clade starts, what specific evolutionary trait defines, "this is when a new clade starts", which yes, is a inherently human aspect, but the entire concept of classifying organisms into different species is inherently human

[cosmic zenith]

Naturally it wouldn't have many problems, it has been polished over centuries
And in recent decades, the pace of scientific studying has become dizzyingly fast

[pliant ruin]

And i really need to specify, evolutionary trait, not a trait visible on the organism

We may not have gills or Swim but we're still fish on a phylogenetic basis

[cosmic zenith]

That's exactly my point!
I was wondering specifically whether Draedon would be able to avoid having to take those liberties, through whatever means

[pliant ruin]

Honestly i doubt it

[visual kiln]

same

[pliant ruin]

Because again, the entire idea of categorizing organisms

is inherently something made up by humans

there's no way of really doing it more objectively i don't think

[cosmic zenith]

To be fair, it is undeniably useful

[visual kiln]

it makes sense to categorize things and develop abstract models of things in place of the actual thing

[pliant ruin]

Draedon could probably figure out what the fuck tullimonstrum was .

[visual kiln]

because the actual things are extremely complicated and would require an insane amount of data storage to fully represent

[pliant ruin]

he'd know

[visual kiln]

its not a limitation of our brain

[leaden bridge]

Draedon categorizes all life by unrolling its genetic material and then using a sorting algorithm

[visual kiln]

its a strength of pattern recognition

[leaden bridge]

How that works is an exercise for the viewer

[visual kiln]

an optimization

[leaden bridge]

You may ask which algorithm - whichever you think is funnier

[cosmic zenith]

It is, unfortunately, not that easy

Because firstly, there's a lot of shared genes between species

And secondly, there's epigenetics, which also play a significant role in phenotype

[leaden bridge]

This is precisely how it works, the more shared the closer they are

They're sorted by percentage shared

That's bound to have pretty funny results

[cosmic zenith]

That sounds really shady, yeah

[frosty charm]

finally settled on a prologue i like

[frosty charm]

humans are classified under fruits due to being 60% banana

[sinful adder]

That's

Wrong

Like completely wrong

[long bloom]

no it's true i was there

[crimson junco]

Humans are literally bananas

Did you know?

[thick slate]

yea

have you ever seen me and a banana in the same room

[frosty charm]

do the sky islands have a canon name

since iirc they were a civilization

[cloud ibex]

Chrysadia

[frosty charm]

cool

uhh how much of a civilization was chrysadia

like how developed was it

[long bloom]

pretty developed

[frosty charm]

coolio

[long bloom]

it was founded only ~300 years after azafure

but it got completely fucking obliterated by fovos

in 1037

[frosty charm]

cuz mc lives in those ruins (hence why they're somewhat intelligent, they picked up off the ruins)

wayyy out of the loop byea

tryna figure out if that makes sense or not

[long bloom]

could definitely work

the sky islands we see in game are the outer rim (chrysadia islands formed a circle) and were mostly small settlements or pilgrimage temples

[sinful adder]

It was like greece

[frosty charm]

Do we know what their civilizations was centered around? Trade, mythology, etc (I ran out of examples) or should I just make stuff up

[pulsar ocean]

Have you ever seen yharim and Freddy fazbear in the same room

[thick slate]

yes

right now

[wanton pendant]

I mean, Chrysadia had like, one of the dragons on their side so they may have been quite religious. Also they did do trade with Azafure.

[pulsar ocean]

Is this true

[thick slate]

not anymore

[spring helm]

Can’t believe Yharim didn’t tell Draedon about Xeroc. Absolute troll move from the Godseeker.

Yharim, it has been some time since we’ve last met. I am constructing a set of machines meant to surpass al the gods. As such, I will be using your current combat data and specs as reference, as you are more powerful than any god.

And then Yharim’s just standing there like:
“Bro doesn’t know about Xeroc ”

[real silo]

Yharim would never admit it

[dusk laurel]

"Does he know?" ahh moment

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's a jerk.

[long bloom]

trade mostly

iirc

[pulsar ocean]

Why didn't xerox just use his ultra super duper omega ultron sun laser beam to smite yharim before he slimed out xerox's godly fellows

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc's busy with... I don't know... god taxes?

[long bloom]

xeroc tax

[crystal pendant]

Grok is this true

[wanton pendant]

Liver failure in 23 minutes.

[brazen swallow]

my theory is that xeroc only wants to observe the world

he knows that if he did something it could affect literally everyone

[long bloom]

so draedon but with morals

[fallen kindle]

im at minute 22 im so exc

[pulsar ocean]

@grok is this factual

does this include gorthus

[frosty charm]

He's too busy aura farming in the fourth dimension leave him alone

[limpid saddle]

While we don't know his personal motivations this is kinda right

He's the guardian of the world, but of cosmic threats, unless something on the planet grows so great & terrible it threatens it's absolute destruction, he will turn a blind eye to it

[frosty charm]

Zeratos watching as Xeroc proceeds to do nothing with his godly omnipotent powers

[limpid saddle]

But if it does happen, he's pulling up (like in the Embers story written by Cei, except that time y'know, too late & then took the L)

I am making so many typos today holy shit

[wanton pendant]

No, that document is only in-game lore.

Why didn't Xeroc kill Moon Lord? Is he stupid? Or.... is Moon's Haunted Theory correct!

[pulsar ocean]

Is the sun a lot closer to the planet in calamity verse or xeroc can teleport to around 150 million kilometers away from earth instantly

[wanton pendant]

It's probably closer I think.

And smaller.

Sun orbits the planet.

[pulsar ocean]

Does ts (this) mean it'll include gorthus when sso releases in 500 years

[wanton pendant]

Yes, and that's not what that means.

[pulsar ocean]

Why doesn't draedon make a miracle nuclear bomb and throw it at the sun

[pulsar ocean]

It is tho

[strong notch]

Why not make another sun instead?

Exo sun

[cloud ibex]

if it will be in-game it will be in the document

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is stronger than a nuke.

And the sun isn't Xeroc, probably.

[visual kiln]

sun 2

[wanton pendant]

Why doesn't Yharim just kill Xeroc? Is he stupid?

[magic epoch]

[strong notch]

Yharim is too old and his body aches

too old to run after Xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is older.

Thus, Yharim should have better knees.

[strong notch]

Xeroc has no knees so those don't ache

Xeroc has clear advantage

[wanton pendant]

If Xeroc had no knees, they couldn't run away.

[strange stump]

theres a sequel

oh my god

[visual kiln]

yes

[strong notch]

Who needs knees when you can teleport

Knees are for the weak

[wanton pendant]

Yharim Teleport Power:

[strange stump]

is it cooler

[mighty zenith]

bees

[strange stump]

hi garbo!

[mighty zenith]

no but this is

[wanton pendant]

New development: Plague Bringer Goliath can use Primordial Light, for some reason.

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/cooler-dbz-surprised-nova-gif-8362373066014857198

[wanton pendant]

Is that Goku?

[mighty zenith]

no he's cooler

[strange stump]

joke predicted

[mighty zenith]

damn...

[strange stump]

but he is cooler

[mighty zenith]

(hi space

[strange stump]

while freeza is freezer

[strong notch]

Plaguebringer being Xeroc in disguise

[mighty zenith]

freezer was cooler and cooler was freezer

[visual kiln]

yes

[visual kiln]

16 times the detail

16 times the map size

[strange stump]

damn...

we're gonna burn alive

they have to reduce that

[mighty zenith]

lower the graphics settings smh

[strange stump]

cant

@warm gull hi :D

[icy veldt]

If Xeroc turned into a bee, how confused would that make Yharim?

[strong notch]

More important question:

Would he kill the bee because it's Xeroc or not because it's a bee?

[wanton pendant]

Hatred for gods goes beyond bee appreciation.

Goddess of Bees found that out the hard way.

[warm gull]

ello govna

[wanton pendant]

British.