lore-discussion

[mighty zenith]

they're not influenced as easily

[icy veldt]

Their brain *wrinkles

[split mortar]

I feel its explained somewhere i just cant recall it rn

[north socket]

Ok that makes sense

[frail hearth]

bbrain's got too many synapses firing can't chance that one

[wanton pendant]

Draedon says so.

[mighty zenith]

it still hurts like hell tho

as evidenced by the debuff

[icy veldt]

Would the astral infection be able to infect a sufficiently dumb human?

[frail hearth]

dreadon's regretfully a reliable source on how stuff works because all dude cares about is being a huge emotionless nerd and datasets

[wanton pendant]

A thinking brain can resist the infection indefinitely.

[wanton pendant]

We can send an Englishman and an American to test.

[icy veldt]

What if the brain is really bad at thinking?

[frail hearth]

Nah i'd win 💪

[north socket]

“From that point on, I stopped making requests of Draedon. He had shown me his true colors…”

Yea

Ok yharim as if you’re not racist 😭

[wanton pendant]

He's anti-slavery... mostly.

[north socket]

racist and a genocidal freak 💔

[split mortar]

Yharim is fine with genocide and grooming children into nuking italy but slavery is where he draws the line

[icy veldt]

"Wait, Draedon never had any emotional attachment to my pseudo-moralistic rhetoric? I'm shocked!"

[wanton pendant]

The Seacilians had it coming for being religious.

[wanton pendant]

'I love making machines.'

[icy veldt]

Only if it involves physical chains. "Serve me or I'll kill you" is totally fine

[frail hearth]

Dragon's most opinionated aethist:

[wanton pendant]

Exactamundo.

[mighty zenith]

"i love killing women and children but I would never say slurs"

[north socket]

That’s like

[frail hearth]

Italy: 🔥 🔥 🔥

[north socket]

Stupidly funny to me

[wanton pendant]

Everyone has standards.

[north socket]

I feel like he probably canonically made a slur for the lihzards

[untold oracle]

Specifically, enslaving bees

[north socket]

and the devs just haven’t told use yet

[wanton pendant]

He is the slur towards gods.

[eager bluff]

"i would never say a slur now watch as i use seventy in the next twenty seconds"

[split mortar]

Yharim has on occasion convinced some irl people he is in the right

[mighty zenith]

mud dwellers

[split mortar]

💔 flanderization

[icy veldt]

Reptoids

[wanton pendant]

Armstrong did that and his stance was everyone should kill eachother.

[frail hearth]

there are certian species of lizard that sound like slurs?

[untold oracle]

Nope

[frail hearth]

like Skink's always sounded a little sus to me >_>

[mighty zenith]

for some people, all you need is charisma

[wanton pendant]

?

[north socket]

Temple dwellers 😭

[split mortar]

Deltaw i will throw you

[mighty zenith]

pea

[young socket]

"those fucking skinks"

[frail hearth]

right??

[untold oracle]

"Occasionally" there’s more ppl who fell for it than ppl who didny

[frail hearth]

sounds like hateful as shit

[icy veldt]

My convincing villain was Chapter Master Kyras from DoW2: Retribution

[wanton pendant]

Luckily, I'm yet to see someone say Ghetsis was right.

[frail hearth]

which one was ghetsis again?

[mighty zenith]

ive seen that

well not necessarily ghetsis

but team plasma

[wanton pendant]

Gen 5 (Groomed three kids.)

[frail hearth]

OOOOH GEN 5 GUY

wait he WHAT!? ;0;

[young socket]

gen 5 guy

[icy veldt]

More like, Ghet-SUS!!!

[wanton pendant]

Team Plasma you can justify that most of them didn't know the real plan.

[young socket]

he was like ns father iirc

[frail hearth]

dman i never finished g5 i had no idea x_x

[wanton pendant]

Ghetsis is truly awful.

[mighty zenith]

groomed N into becoming the king of team plasma to control him

[wanton pendant]

And two others.

[mighty zenith]

uhh i dont remember the other 2

[split mortar]

Ghetsis is god of dogma

[wanton pendant]

Anthea and Concordia.

[mighty zenith]

oh right

i forgot they existed 😭

[wanton pendant]

He also tries to groom you, the player, in Pokémon Masters.

Who does?

[mighty zenith]

fair

[wanton pendant]

I learned about them from his wiki page.

And I beat Pokémon Black I forgot about them.

[mighty zenith]

i think they appear in N's room but like thats all i remember

[untold oracle]

Dogma deez nuts

[frail hearth]

ghetsis X Yahrim

new crackship dropped

[wanton pendant]

Anthea is probably the first Pokémon character to say groomed.

[split mortar]

Deltaw has gone insane

[wanton pendant]

Not in the animal care sense.

[untold oracle]

Proof?

[north socket]

Ok so

[mighty zenith]

🫛

[north socket]

Providence is a god right??

[split mortar]

Ye

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

Goddess of Ash.

[split mortar]

Ate flame dragon

[icy veldt]

Provy mention?!

[untold oracle]

That is NOT proof

[wanton pendant]

No.

[north socket]

And her guards were the champions that she killed a dragon with

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[north socket]

Just making sure I got it right

Ok

[mighty zenith]

pearoof

[eager bluff]

pea

[wanton pendant]

They're gay and homophobic.

[split mortar]

Yeah
All women

[mighty zenith]

providence and the girlboss squadron

[untold oracle]

Yuri polycule

[wanton pendant]

'Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss, Godslay.' -Yharim.

[frail hearth]

she's a little nutty. She's got cult vibes >_>

[mighty zenith]

yeah just a lil

[untold oracle]

No. NO wrong its wrong

[eager bluff]

the girlboss squad and jason vorhees

[mighty zenith]

just omnicide

not that bad

[frail hearth]

fym omnicides not bad

[icy veldt]

Could be worse

[eager bluff]

not that bad

[frail hearth]

it's omni!?

[mighty zenith]

[frail hearth]

how do you get more worse than omni

[wanton pendant]

I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at omnicide!

[eager bluff]

could be manifest destiny

[icy veldt]

Could be inflicting a fate worse than death on everyone

[frail hearth]

what's after literally everything tho

[untold oracle]

Yeeeeah they kinda wanna end all life and burn it all down thats maybe a cult idk???

[split mortar]

Wheres that like popcorn meme of one guard questioning stuff but then going provi is a baddie

[north socket]

Hmmm interesting

[mighty zenith]

uhh according to embers

nothing

provi just. flies around

[north socket]

There’s no ceaseless void entry

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

It's a portal.

[split mortar]

Thats intentional

[north socket]

I do wonder why

Maybe nobody has survived entering it to come back and share was on the other side

[mighty zenith]

mostly to keep things surrounding the distortion a mystery

[frail hearth]

portal angry at you rawr >:U

[wanton pendant]

It's just a portal, and its creator cough Noxus cough is unknown.

[split mortar]

2/3rd strongest and most mysterious goober in calamity made it

[mighty zenith]

we know draedon entered it iirc

[icy veldt]

You forgot the "being sad" part

[north socket]

and he survived cause we communicate with him no?

[untold oracle]

No the writers were just lazy and are now trying to say its intentional

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[mighty zenith]

well yeah, he cant exactly die

well he can

[north socket]

why?

[split mortar]

This is my proof

[mighty zenith]

it would just take like.

[split mortar]

Can you kill the internet

[mighty zenith]

destroying every single place he could be at

he's an ai

[wanton pendant]

He's a robot. You'd need to kill all his servers.

[eager bluff]

7 billion servers are very hard to kill

[north socket]

Ohri

[wanton pendant]

Providence could do it... eventually.

[north socket]

Right

I forgot he’s a robot

was he not ever human?

[mighty zenith]

if you destroyed the planet before he could escape then you'd kill him

[wanton pendant]

Draedon the guy.

[frail hearth]

regretfully dradon has backups

[wanton pendant]

He may have.

[untold oracle]

Yharim. Vs Chatgpt 😨

[wanton pendant]

Left unclear intentionally.

[north socket]

I feel like he likely was

[mighty zenith]

his creator was human but thats as much confirmation as we get

[wanton pendant]

But good chance he was.

[mighty zenith]

it mightve been a botched consciousness transfer

[north socket]

I guarantee he was a human during the war

[wanton pendant]

Or successful, if he wanted amnesia.

[split mortar]

Theres a theory he is a botched mind transfer
Not confirmed
But i believe it

[wanton pendant]

He is older than the war.

[mighty zenith]

nah he existed like 500 years before yharim was even born

[wanton pendant]

Again, I sent you the ages.

[north socket]

Ik, far far older

[split mortar]

Draedon the robot predates the war by centuries

[north socket]

I forgot how recent the war is

mb

[untold oracle]

I like to imagine it was "botched" intentionally so that they wouldnt be held back by humanity

[split mortar]

Started a century ago

[north socket]

Recent given the ages of some guys

[mighty zenith]

i like that idea

[wanton pendant]

War starts like 106 years ago, Draedon is 660.

Only including time as a robot.

If he was human.

[frail hearth]

debatable? could be a Carmen/Angelia situation where dreadon's based on but not wholly someone else? just in this case he's the one who made the robot instead of a hypothetical high functioning asshole lab partner

[untold oracle]

Nopr. Draedon was made by gaster

[wanton pendant]

I'm Wing Gaster.

[frail hearth]

OF COURSE

[split mortar]

When you name your terraria character gaster and get sent back to 2011

[frail hearth]

HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND XD

[mighty zenith]

i guess your worldview was made darker, yet darker

[north socket]

So yharim and the dragon cult were friends for a while

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[north socket]

But then he refused to kill polterghast

[untold oracle]

This is why in thr next update you get to fight a new boss called roaring draedon

[wanton pendant]

Then Yharim betrayed them.

[north socket]

And they cut ties bc of that

[split mortar]

Ye

[wanton pendant]

Exactly.

[split mortar]

He also why polter happened in the first place

[north socket]

Why specifically?

[wanton pendant]

He used the dungeon as a dungeon.

[mighty zenith]

he's also petty af and calls them crazy zealots

[north socket]

Yes bc they’re the souls of his prisoners

[wanton pendant]

Then the prisoners died.

[split mortar]

Stopped giving the people in there food and water

[frail hearth]

where do you think all the people he killed went ;u;

[wanton pendant]

And they all did that.

[north socket]

God forbid someone uses a place correctly

[icy veldt]

Despite also being a crazy zealot

[north socket]

Smh

[split mortar]

And people who kept the prisoners in

[north socket]

Right

The guards

[mighty zenith]

well they just died

[wanton pendant]

Is it zealotry if you're an atheist and other questions that make you look insane.

[mighty zenith]

the ones in the dungeon became polterghast because of how much they hated him

[young socket]

me when the angry spirit kills more people to make the angry spirit stronger and angrier

[wanton pendant]

Lunatic Cultist was mildly annoyed by this as you can guess.

[frail hearth]

well damn i would be too >:U

"woe. soul monster be upon ye"
"help???"
"too sad. figure it out"

Yahrim's like a shitty raid shoutcaller

[north socket]

I hope we get more info on the distortion

[wanton pendant]

We will.

In a few years.

When they make the Distortion update.

[split mortar]

We will go in it eventually once the devs get to adding it

[young socket]

ull get to visit in the future as a way to expand post ml exploration to make it less of a boss rush

[wanton pendant]

Will be part of DoG's new and improved boss fight.

[split mortar]

In 8 decades

[mighty zenith]

silksong before sso...

[split mortar]

💔 its not just a boss arena

[north socket]

That’s confirmed to be happening?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[split mortar]

Yes

[mighty zenith]

ye

[wanton pendant]

I know, but it will be part of it.

[frail hearth]

we're waitingon the sunken sea revamp

[north socket]

Now its nuts a matter of when

Just

[young socket]

now its nuts

[frail hearth]

bro wrote the WotG applebook

[stuck hemlock]

what or who is the sepulcher

[split mortar]

A necromantic construct of calamitas

[stuck hemlock]

btw, does calamitas have parents? it's mentioned she was a teenager

[split mortar]

She is a human so yeah she does have parents
She an orphan tho iirc

They dead

Her older brothers had to take jobs on the table iirc

[wanton pendant]

Most adults were teenagers. Her parents most likely died when she was very young.

[brazen swallow]

this guy could solo the entirety of calamity

[wanton pendant]

I mean, the joke is usually that everything solos him.

[brazen swallow]

true
but he lives every time

[wanton pendant]

Not every time...

[brazen swallow]

and also he split continents by accident lmfao

[wanton pendant]

That was because of Alien technology, not an innate ability.

[brazen swallow]

damn
it's been a while since I watched the ice age movies so I'm not sure of the details

[gritty kraken]

I think ice age 6 teaser got out yesterday

[wanton pendant]

I do not know the Ice Age lore, only that there was this guy who was insane and he was the best character.

[brazen swallow]

scrat could solo yharim by accident and unknowingly, trust

[magic epoch]

remember when people wanted to eviscerate the ice age baby

[wanton pendant]

Yharim would accidentally step on his nut, causing Scrat to commit Seppuku, only for Yharim to accidentally nudge him with his toe, reviving him due to the shock.

[wanton pendant]

What was that all about?

[magic epoch]

i really don't know

maybe people thought they looked repulsive and hated them !

[wanton pendant]

Racism.

[brazen swallow]

oh god the ancient times (early pandemic or something right?)

[icy veldt]

step on his nut
Ouch!

[dusk laurel]

everytime i see this image i just assume nothing productive is going on here

[wanton pendant]

This is the first time I've seen that image.

[split mortar]

💔

[eager bluff]

i mean its true

[split mortar]

We were introducing new person to lore deltaw has just gone insane

[wanton pendant]

I don't even think they read the handy dandy war crime chart.

[random mulch]

rough color sketch

[long bloom]

peam

[brazen swallow]

yooooo

[wanton pendant]

Spaghetti Slime God.

[brazen swallow]

very nice very nice

[icy veldt]

Freaky! Appropriate for a slime god, but I would NOT want to have that thing as a pet!

[wanton pendant]

So there is a limit.

[real silo]

weak soul

I would love that thing like a son

[long bloom]

me too

[dusk laurel]

this is awesome

[real silo]

That thing can keep me safe from anything

[wanton pendant]

Not Terrarians, that's for sure.

[brazen swallow]

so true

[icy veldt]

Alright fiiiiine, we'll keep it as a pet, but it's not allowed inside the house. Understand?

[wanton pendant]

Soon it'll be in your bed, and you'll be on the couch.

[brazen swallow]

real

imagine watching movies with slime god

[icy veldt]

*stuffs it down garbage disposal* Uh, it ran away to a unicorn farm

[wanton pendant]

That won't work.

Slime is... hard to cut.

[icy veldt]

Wait... gel is flammable

[wanton pendant]

Even your American sink can't slay them.

[brazen swallow]

note that slime god is a fully sentient being and also probably very smart

[wanton pendant]

Well, very smart is a strong phrase...

[icy veldt]

*blowtorches it* Yeah, it's living on a happy friendly unicorn farm now. Definitely

[icy veldt]

Pets are also sentient, they're just not sapient

[brazen swallow]

I mean they evaded yharim for such a long time

[brazen swallow]

oh
in that case I meant sapient I think

mixed up the terms

[icy veldt]

Minor vocabulary error!

[brazen swallow]

this is what happens when

[wanton pendant]

Being good at running away like a little baby is different from being smart. If he was smart, he wouldn't throw himself at the Terrarian like an idiot.

[brazen swallow]

in the yharim thing is probably knowing when to retreat and how to give himself the conditions to do so
and about the terrarian uh

no clue lmao

but probably just for gameplay

[light linden]

vaguely squid like being

[light linden]

I love how they both look shocked

[mighty zenith]

I WAS WONDERING WHY ITS SO FAMILIAR

[real silo]

World of goo

[mighty zenith]

world of goo was my second thought

(i watched too much smg4 as a kid)

[icy veldt]

I'm excluding Slime God from the Calamity catpeople AU

[brazen swallow]

awesome

[real silo]

shy muy gask 4?

[mighty zenith]

uncultured... out of my sight

[wanton pendant]

Your what.

[icy veldt]

Was a joke. It doesn't actually exist ||yet||

[wanton pendant]

Dear God.

[icy veldt]

There's more

[wanton pendant]

No.

[icy veldt]

It'll contain dogpeople too

[wanton pendant]

Did anyone other than you put ideas into the AU?

[icy veldt]

Nope. I made it up for a throwaway gag; it's not an actual thing

[wanton pendant]

Miku Hatsune!

[brazen swallow]

teto

[thick slate]

teto

[wanton pendant]

Why is she sand.

[brazen swallow]

sans????????

[hoary berry]

[thick slate]

my roblox avatar is teto

[wanton pendant]

Miku Hatsune!

[split mortar]

The egg has been alerted

[wanton pendant]

Does this mean Yharon is summoned?

[icy veldt]

Me, a few decades later, frying the reborn Yharon egg

[ivory vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-turning-into-a-dog-staring-at-you-hatsune-miku-miku-mikudayo-stare-gif-26602697

Rip no perms

No miku stare

[light linden]

I do wonder how tough the shell of his egg would be tbh

[split mortar]

Neru!

[light linden]

it'd be funny if it was just a chunk of auric

[icy veldt]

The dragon inside is just extra protein 😋

[ivory vigil]

Yharim watching us turn Yharon into egg fried rice:

[icy veldt]

Yharim would be dead by that point, having long been eaten as part of a victory feast

[wanton pendant]

That's not a part of a balanced diet.

[ivory vigil]

I love cannibalism

[icy veldt]

Random crits are Eating Yharim is fair and balanced

[light linden]

ok I don't like where this convo is going

[icy veldt]

What else are we going to do with Yharim after killing him?

[long bloom]

i was gonna toss him in a river

[icy veldt]

Waste of meat

[wanton pendant]

Then have him die again?

[limpid saddle]

If he dies his armor will fry the corpse anyway

It'll just be armor

[light linden]

kill him?

[icy veldt]

Pre-cooked!

[ivory vigil]

Nothing goes to waste in this household. Fried dragon sandwich

[limpid saddle]

No like the corpse would be obliterated

[icy veldt]

You want to kill him twice?

[light linden]

I was gonna toss him in the dungeon and turn the exit into rubble

[limpid saddle]

there is nothing to eat

[light linden]

let him starve in a place filled with ghosts that want him dead

[icy veldt]

Put Yharim in the Minecraft sheep piston machine

[limpid saddle]

Anyway should I grind the KH2 Data Organization fights or draw Calamitas Clone tweaking tf out

[icy veldt]

Draw CalClone relaxing and smoking a blunt

[wanton pendant]

Draw her getting a job.

[limpid saddle]

not possible

[limpid saddle]

somehow less possible

[icy veldt]

[wanton pendant]

Draw her lore-accurate.

[limpid saddle]

yeah i did that

[ivory vigil]

Draw Calclone kicking Draedon while he is down

[wanton pendant]

Exactly like the real Calamitas, but without the scar?

[limpid saddle]

first calclone piece

[thick slate]

yessss

[limpid saddle]

she doesnt have the scar but she does have melted flesh to convey the disruptive nature of her power & how it affects her mentally & physically

[icy veldt]

Regular Calamitas could use some grass

Calamigrass

[thick slate]

me too

[limpid saddle]

too complicated i cant draw robots for shit

[light linden]

letting him gradually weaken until the point where the people he tormented can overpower him

[icy veldt]

Draw Draedon in the form of the worst-to-use office printer ever

[limpid saddle]

then i drew her in an autumn coat for funsies

this is my most recent calclone piece

[icy veldt]

Little scrungly 🥺

[wanton pendant]

Baby hands.

[icy veldt]

I gotta ask: does CalClone have any special hatred for Calamitas, outside of just her in-general rage and madness?

[long bloom]

unknown

[split mortar]

Dont think so?
Not enough info

[limpid saddle]

Unknown but I dont think she would

I mean

thats literally her

[icy veldt]

Fair enough, it'd probably be very difficult to get an interview with Calclone

[wanton pendant]

Then who is literally me?

[wanton pendant]

For a job?

[limpid saddle]

john calamity

[icy veldt]

The Terrarian

[icy veldt]

No, just like a press interview

[thick slate]

me

[visual kiln]

hello

[wanton pendant]

Hi.

[icy veldt]

Salvē

[thick slate]

glorp

[split mortar]

Hello

[split mortar]

Ew

[icy veldt]

Prolg

[wanton pendant]

You're literally British.

[limpid saddle]

I feel like im dying

[icy veldt]

Is your mental fortitude fading?

[wanton pendant]

So do citizens of the British Empire.

[limpid saddle]

goodbye

[thick slate]

british empire aint a thing anymo

[split mortar]

Nop

[split mortar]

Funky picture

[wanton pendant]

What do you mean 'pregnant man' reaction?

What situation calls for that!?

[split mortar]

When you gotta pregnant man react someone

[thick slate]

this one

[icy veldt]

Me after a big dinner

[wanton pendant]

Man, I'm so hungry...
How hungry?

[thick slate]

im so hungry i could eat a dog

[wanton pendant]

Somehow, British.

[thick slate]

im not british

[wanton pendant]

Well, that's alright.

[thick slate]

thank god

[wanton pendant]

Imagine being British!

[icy veldt]

Uh oh!

[thick slate]

let the government deal with it

just enjoy the view

[icy veldt]

And then you just hear a really loud "MEOW!!!"

[wanton pendant]

Obliterate.

[merry stratus]

Yoooo

[icy veldt]

Provy wants to reduce the world to ashes so she can use it as a litterbox

[thick slate]

frenzy flame

[wanton pendant]

Disappear.

[limpid saddle]

why are you like this

[wanton pendant]

I concur.

[icy veldt]

Not even the Profaned Goddess is beyond redemption 🥺

[wanton pendant]

Oh God, he hasn't played Warhammer in too long, he's having withdrawals!

[icy veldt]

But also, put Yharon's egg into a blender when it returns decades later

[wanton pendant]

Providence is so much worse than Yharon.

[icy veldt]

So you know how Yharim views the world in terms of "dragons = good, gods = bad"? Well, my Terrarian looks at the results of what Yharim did, and concludes that "dragons = bad, gods = good"

[wanton pendant]

So, you're Yharim 2.

[icy veldt]

Yharim -1

[brazen swallow]

it's so over 😂

[icy veldt]

Mirahy

[split mortar]

I should probably develop my terrarian at some point

[wanton pendant]

My Terrarian is literally me except he kills stuff. I don't kill stuff.

[brazen swallow]

real

[untold oracle]

Thats MEAN

[split mortar]

Deltaw how much has the rp taken up your writing time

[robust osprey]

I beat her up

no diff

[icy veldt]

Yharim destroyed with no regard to the moral value of what he was destroying. He didn't care how good the gods he targeted were (Tyrian and Otonilou, for instance), because he wanted to avenge the dragons

My Terrarian would build with no regard to the moral value of what he builds. It would end up being a wacked-up, ad-hoc mess of a civilization at best, and a totalitarian nightmare at worst, because he wants to clean up Yharim's proverbial carpet-shit

The characters that I make aren't simply entire reflections of myself. Some of their traits are what I imagine I would have if my life had gone differently, other traits are derived from fictional characters in games I've played, and still other traits are just the result of intuition: "if Blorbius went through event X in the past, then it would probably have effect Y on his psyche, so he would be prone to behavior Z"

[untold oracle]

Wwell its most of my writing now
I havent written leas own fic at all because of it

[brazen swallow]

my terrarian is just cleaning up evil entities

like providence and fovos

[wanton pendant]

Oh, is it time for the privileged elite to show off to us commoners that we aren't part of the inner circle?

[brazen swallow]

[split mortar]

Ah
Hope the rp fun enough that it not a downgrade

[untold oracle]

Its funny i cant really describe lea simply

[untold oracle]

I mean it has developed her a lot as a character

[split mortar]

Thats good

[untold oracle]

Lea is ummmm

Lesbian alcoholic

There

Lea discussion

[wanton pendant]

Lore Discussion.

[untold oracle]

Exactly

[split mortar]

Lea channel

[untold oracle]

Message perms removal any%

[regal rivet]

if/when we defeat yharim... what's gonna happen to Xeroc?

[wanton pendant]

Nothing, really, Xeroc may become a future Superboss, but it'd be a sparing match.

[split mortar]

He still exists

[icy veldt]

Xeroc would want nothing to do with us after we eat Yharim

[split mortar]

Thats just wrong

[wanton pendant]

We aren't going to eat Yharim.

[icy veldt]

Darn

[visual kiln]

why not

[wanton pendant]

Poison.

[icy veldt]

It'd be too much fun

[split mortar]

Yharim on death ages 50 years and becomes dust

[wanton pendant]

Like some kind of Undertale.

[icy veldt]

So instead of killing Yharim, we stick him into some kind of Minecraft sheep piston machine?

Justice served 😎

[split mortar]

Please shut

[regal rivet]

im not familiar, how did the terminus get to where it is?

[wanton pendant]

Someone cast it into the pit to seal it.

[split mortar]

Xeroc yeeted it down into the abyss iirc

[wanton pendant]

That someone? Xeroc.

[regal rivet]

i see

[wanton pendant]

Because it has power that could be misused.

But, not anymore.

[icy veldt]

And now Silva's in the abyss too. IIRC Xeroc and Silva are the only two gods who had perfect ascensions

[split mortar]

-# perfect ascension most likely

[wanton pendant]

So if it's part of the perfect ascension, then it can't be used due to their being only one Auric Soul, and it's really hard to get ahold of.

[regal rivet]

what is a perfect ascension?

[icy veldt]

And Silva was exiled to the Abyss at least once before her current exile. I wonder of one of her previous exiles may have been related to the Terminus somehow

[wanton pendant]

Becoming the God with the same power as your dragon's.

So Xeroc is God of Primordial Light, and got it from the Dragon of Primordial Light.

[split mortar]

A god ascension where the domain stays the same
I presume the strength gained is also higher since silva and xeroc are really really strong gods

[wanton pendant]

But Providence got hers from the Dragon of Flame, and she's the Goddess of Ash.

Slime God was from Gluttony.

But Silva, Goddess of Life, got hers from the Dragon of Life.

[icy veldt]

We've had prior speculation about how a perfect ascension is carried out, versus an imperfect ascension. I remember one theory being that the dragon needs to surrender its life and Auric soul voluntarily

[wanton pendant]

That has been proposed many times, along with Terminus Theory.

[regal rivet]

i see, how would the terminus be used to assist in this?

[wanton pendant]

We don't know.

Nobody knows how to ascend, other than gods and Yharim.

[icy veldt]

We don't even know if it is used to assist in it at all

[wanton pendant]

And Yharim won't tell anyone.

[split mortar]

The only two gods associated with the terminus are the only two who god ascended

[icy veldt]

And none of the gods are going to tell us

[split mortar]

I would find it odd

If it werent

Especially since xeroc says it ended an era

And xerocs perfect ascension caused that

[wanton pendant]

Assuming it is important (likely), then nobody is able to tell you how, since Xeroc won't and Silva can't.

[icy veldt]

Maybe the Terminus can do more things than just summon a Boss Rush, but the Terrarian doesn't know how to switch it to other modes

[regal rivet]

presumably because they dont want us ascending to their power

and yharim thinks that being a god makes you evil

[wanton pendant]

Unlikely we could.

Xeroc is super crazy strong.

[split mortar]

We already do get to the power of gods

Pre hardmode has a god

[wanton pendant]

Even with Yharon's soul, the second strongest dragon, we'd still be too weak.

Most likely.

[icy veldt]

For whichever reason. Being a threat to their power, potentially becoming an evil god (like Yharim being ordered to become the God-King by the God of Dogma, but he refused), etc.

[regal rivet]

well yeah but i mean the power of xeroc and silva

[split mortar]

Silva is like pre yharon probablt

Xeroc

Literally too strong

[wanton pendant]

Silva is powerful for reasons besides being a goddess, and Xeroc is really, really powerful.

[split mortar]

For anything

To get close

Unmatched power of the actual sun and all that

[wanton pendant]

It'd be like trying to fist fight Godzilla.

Godzilla isn't omnipotent, but you're not winning.

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Even if you're the best boxer in the world, you'll never actually kill Godzilla.

[regal rivet]

one thing, i initially thought that the voice talking to us during boss rush was Yharim because they mention "you even bested my old friend, the dragon"

but it's actually xeroc; is it implied anywhere else that xeroc was friends with yharon?

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc was a monk for the dragons.

[regal rivet]

ah right right

[wanton pendant]

So they probably knew each other from back then.

[split mortar]

Xeroc was quite close to the dragon king so yeah he and yharon prob interacted a bunch

[wanton pendant]

Yharon was the number two of all dragons.

And Xeroc was in league with the number one.

[regal rivet]

i see

[wanton pendant]

Yharon is also most likely the reason Yharim knows about Xeroc.

[regal rivet]

that makes sense

yharim did say that yharon told him about the genocide of his kind

[pliant ruin]

yharon and xerocs relationship is genuinely just the lion and monkey image

[wanton pendant]

This is why I made the handy dandy genocide guilt chart.

[regal rivet]

although i should ask, does this imply that dragons could speak like humans? or did they have their own language that the humans could understand

[pliant ruin]

the latter

[wanton pendant]

Dragon language.

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc likely could communicate with dragons due to living amongst them and having ahd a extensive amount of time to learn how to do so

[wanton pendant]

Yharim just locked in so he could understand.

[split mortar]

Dragons lack vocal cords able to speak human language

[icy veldt]

Yharon also told Yharim that the dragons were benevolent protectors. Now think about all the billions of innocents that Yharim killed, as Yharon stood by and cheered him on. Does that really sound like what a benevolent protector would approve of?

[wanton pendant]

He was a bit annoyed.

[icy veldt]

When the benevolent protector stubs his toe: "Time to murderize another town!"

[wanton pendant]

This is what they'll be showing at the tribunal or whatever it's called.

[pliant ruin]

I mean yea yharon pretty clearly isnt a benevolent protector anymore

I don't think even he would deny that

In his eyes he's a avenger now

And in reality he's just a genocidal maniac

[icy veldt]

Fair enough 😔

I'm a simple Terrarian. I see bad guys, I kill them. I see people whose past acts/experiences are morally complicated, I kill them too so I don't have to think (jk)

[wanton pendant]

Eventually, the Terrarian stopped thinking.

[regal rivet]

hmmmmmmmm

iirc, yharim wants us to do what we do because he wants us to "reset" civilisation in a sense?

[wanton pendant]

No?
He wants us to finish the crusade.

[icy veldt]

Yharim wants us to be his successor, basically

[wanton pendant]

He wants us to kill the gods, because he thinks gods are evil.

[split mortar]

He wants us to continue the genocides

[regal rivet]

oh right

[split mortar]

Human i remember ouer genocides

[wanton pendant]

Civilization has already been reset with him killing half the planet, no need for that again.

[icy veldt]

In addition to that, he'd want us to kill everyone who still worships any of them, then anyone who had ever worshipped any of them, etc.

[wanton pendant]

Not after, during.

[icy veldt]

Terrarian: "I'm so glad society collapsed so MY ideology can rise from the ashes!"

[wanton pendant]

Don't even think about continuing from ashes.

[icy veldt]

Metaphorical ashes, then. Sheesh

[regal rivet]

wait so, after a hypothetical boss fight with him... what happens? does he just let us rule?

[wanton pendant]

He dies.

He hopes we continue his legacy.

[icy veldt]

Yharim wants to die, so he can pretend to be absolved

[wanton pendant]

And because he's very depressed.

[icy veldt]

Not like he doesn't deserve it tbh

[wanton pendant]

Half find a successor plot, half suicide.

[regal rivet]

i take it then that we arent fully aligned with him, because... i dont see how killing yharon or calamitas would help with his plan

[wanton pendant]

We don't kill Calamitas.

[regal rivet]

is it just proof to him that we're strong enough to be his successor?

[wanton pendant]

And Yharon doesn't want us to kill Yharim.

[regal rivet]

no right my bad

[wanton pendant]

He's trying to sway you to his side the whole game.

[icy veldt]

The Terrarian is as aligned or unaligned with Yharim as you want, because the Terrarian...

IS...

[wanton pendant]

Me!

[icy veldt]

YOU!!! 🫵

[wanton pendant]

DAMN IT!

[icy veldt]

Don't be sad. The same goes for you

[wanton pendant]

Yay!

I'm gonna torch the civilians now!

[regal rivet]

hmmmm

i suppose, then, im only really half-aligned with him

[wanton pendant]

W-what do you mean by that?

[regal rivet]

that's nice

[wanton pendant]

Do I need to pull up the guilt chart?

[regal rivet]

for me, as im sure it is for many people, much of the appeal of terraria comes from the progression, the feeling of growing stronger and stronger and stronger until you become able to slay anything with a breath

[wanton pendant]

He groomed a 13 year old.

[icy veldt]

My Terrarian is perfectly aligned against Yharim. If Yharim thinks it's good, he thinks it's evil. If Yharim thinks it's evil, my Terrarian thinks it's good

[regal rivet]

so i just want to kill these gods because doing so will make me more powerful

[split mortar]

Dont see how that alligns with yharims views half way

And you would kill dragons if the same

[icy veldt]

Regarding society and civilization, Yharim destroys whatever, no matter how good it was, so my Terrarian builds whatever, no matter how evil it is

[regal rivet]

i meant htat moreso in a "i'll do what you want but not because you want me to" way

[wanton pendant]

I'm pulling it up. Here's what their lawyers gotta defend.

(I got sick of linking it every time.)

[regal rivet]

forgive my poor wording 😭

[split mortar]

I get what you mean i think

[regal rivet]

nuked italy??????

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[regal rivet]

i didnt know countries were canon to calamity

[wanton pendant]

She got the Seacilians good.

[regal rivet]

wait

[split mortar]

Nuked a place roughly equal to italy in size

[regal rivet]

ah i see

[split mortar]

Sunken sea

[regal rivet]

i hope i dont come across as a maniac

[wanton pendant]

You come across as someone who Chara made them do it.

[icy veldt]

No, I'm the resident maniac

[wanton pendant]

You're the resident furry.

[icy veldt]

No

I am not

[regal rivet]

no i did this genocide because i wanted to

just like the undertale genocide

[split mortar]

You come across as someone who plays terraria without thinking much about the terrarian lore

[regal rivet]

sadly terraria has no pacifist route

[wanton pendant]

Reminds me of someone...

[icy veldt]

Tbf Vanilla Terraria doesn't really have much lore

[icy veldt]

Sadly?

[wanton pendant]

'Go kill Cthulhu!' -Terraria Lore.

There may be more spareable bosses in the future (Calamitas Clone please!), but many won't ever, like Yharim and Yharon, Devourer, Providence, they'd never see reason.

[regal rivet]

do you mean the lore of the game itself or the lore of the terrarian, the character?

[wanton pendant]

The game.

[regal rivet]

i mean i do like thinking about that, otherwise i wouldnt be in this channel lol

[split mortar]

The terrarian the character

[wanton pendant]

Damn it.

[regal rivet]

ur right i never really thought about it before this point

been playing too much deltarune and forgot that most games actually want you to insert yourself as the player character

[wanton pendant]

Well, not most.

But quite a few.

[split mortar]

thats valid

[regal rivet]

true

[icy veldt]

My brain goes into character-lore-building mode the moment I see a player-character design screen in a game

[wanton pendant]

Anyway, from my chart you can see which characters have a little bit more development than others.

[regal rivet]

the thing i like about calamity is the fact these bosses are given any development at all

terraria bosses in general arent really given personalities beyond just being large eldrich horrors trying to kill you

it's great having a boss actively taunt you as they fight you, or have emotional breakdowns as you defeat them

it adds a lot of character to the game and makes the fights a lot more memorable

[wanton pendant]

Yharon has an entire lyrical track about how you're gonna kill him.

[regal rivet]

exactly!

[icy veldt]

I mean, the Empress of Light is kinda cute

[wanton pendant]

That's most of his characterization, to be fair.

[wanton pendant]

She's married.

[regal rivet]

to who??????

[wanton pendant]

Red.

[icy veldt]

No, silly! Provy's her pet cat, not her wife

[regal rivet]

...isnt red already married?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[split mortar]

to eol

[icy veldt]

Maybe he means a different Red

[wanton pendant]

I don't.

Unless you're thinking about the bird.

[regal rivet]

red has two wives?

[wanton pendant]

No.

Just the one.

[regal rivet]

...

[wanton pendant]

Unless he has embraced the light of Allah recently.

[regal rivet]

CENX IS THE EMPRESS OF LIGHT?????

[light linden]

@manic coral got time for a question?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[split mortar]

Yes

[wanton pendant]

I'm shocked you haven't noticed until now.

[regal rivet]

where the heck was this established 😭

[limpid saddle]

wip of calamitas clone screaming i mentioned earlier

[wanton pendant]

Now draw her stealing the Chaos Emeralds.

[icy veldt]

While smoking a blunt

[regal rivet]

This looks awesome!

[limpid saddle]

thanks

[limpid saddle]

these are stupid suggestions though so im gonna have to carpet-bomb your place of residence

[wanton pendant]

Hey, this is a neutral country!

And you risk killing nearly thirty people!

[icy veldt]

Oh no, not carpet-bombing my place of residence! Please don't summon Providence to do that!

[wanton pendant]

No, that's a Calamitas job.

[icy veldt]

Me when I make trillions of Azafurian dollars by selling ketamine to Calamitas

Me when I realize that Azafurian dollars are worthless slips of paper because Azafure no longer exists

[wanton pendant]

Ain't that for horses? Give her anxiety medication, she'd buy up way more of that stuff.

[warm gull]

jiminey christmas

[wanton pendant]

What?

What's the issue?

[icy veldt]

If I remember correctly, it's also for people, to treat pain, PTSD, or anxiety

[wanton pendant]

Oh, in that case, continue.

Also, don't rich people take it because they're addicts?

[icy veldt]

I know Yoda Gaming used it

Way back when

[wanton pendant]

Used it, he did.

[pliant ruin]

This is a pretty good image

[wanton pendant]

Thank you.

[pliant ruin]

yharmy guilt tier list uhhh

Considering that everyone here is guilty to some extent

1. Devourer - A bit of a iffy spot given we don't really know that much about the guy but from what we know it seems as if his violence comes entirely from some sort of desire for power, or, atleast, desire to give Noxus power. So far no deeper moral implications. We don't know how many he killed, but he definitely killed alot. Also really, just an asshole. Atleast Yharim has some sort of moral background for what he does, Devourer seems like he's just an evil asshole.
2. Yharim - Spearheaded the crusade, killed millions, war crimes towards innocents, child soldiers, etc.
   Horrible person with an extremely flawed moral code, unable to see what he does as wrong. However, i put him under Devourer because he has more nuance behind his actions than he does, and is doing them due to an moral code he actually believes over just... Seemingly being just kinda evil and that's it. Arguably should be 1. because he was sort of responsible for the kills Devourer would've mostly had to begin with, but i'm putting him as lower because he's got more humanity than devourer does, and has been able to shown guilt, even if it dosen't make him a good person in the slightest.
3. Yharon - Yharim's right hand man, his most loyal follower and best friend, definitely endorsed the things he did, and thus is just as much of a culprit as he is, having being likely basically the crusade's secondary leader. However, i rank him as lower than Yharim because i think his crashout is more reasonable than Yharim's, even if... it still isn't. Yharon totally had the right to be angry and vengeful at first, i wouldn't have blamed him, all of his loved ones died, all of them, but, on the other hand, the fact he never let go of his anger to the point he became just a genocidal bastard is where he drew the line beetween justified and not.

Part 1/2

I'm cooking guys hold on

4. Draedon - Inventor and scientist that provided the army with the tools of trade to do the Murdering, not to mention the highly immoral experiments he performed. To give credit where credit is due, however, he also improved society as a whole in many ways, and he dosen't destroy for the sake of destruction, as someone like Devourer does. I'd say he would be higher up in this list if it wasn't for one thing: He fundamentally does not have morals, and is doing what he's meant to do, his directory. This, in my opinion, while still makes him a destructive force that can do alot of harm to the world, makes him far less inherently malicious than the others, as they are beings with free will who willingly chose their paths. Not to mention, it is not impossible to reason with him, and he holds by far less biases than Yharim or Yharon do. Also yeah the Plague is really fucked up, albeit Yharim did far worse, so i disagree with the notion he's worse than Yharim becasue of it - The plague is not worse than the things Yharim did, it just sounds like it to people due to Yharim's reaction to it. Atleast imo.
5. Calamitas - The two bottom spots here are the only two i'd argue can actually be considered good people at this point. Calamitas did horrible things, she killed people and was responsible for destroying a entire country, but she was a child in a extremely vulnerable state, havging lost all of her family, friends, everyone she knew, and having been manipulated throrouhgly by Yharim to kill gods, likely believing waht she was doing was right. Ever since then she's been tormented by guilt and avoided society as a whole, and as seen with her fighting you, isn't past trying to prevent other disasters from happening. She did some horrible things, but ultimately, was coerced into it while being underdeveloped and highly emotionally vulnerable, and is now seeking to become a better person.

OK ONE LAST ONE

im such a yapper holy shittt

[stark basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/fyodor-fyodor-dostoevsky-fyodor-bsd-fyodor-dostoevsky-bsd-bsd-gif-24694783

what??

[wanton pendant]

We're a bit busy.

[eager bluff]

epic embed fail turn this user into a brick

[wanton pendant]

This has been going on like ten minutes. I wanna see how it ends.

[pliant ruin]

6. Permafrost - On one hand, Permafrost isn't a vulnerable child, in fact he's like. the opposite, so he dosen't have the same excuse as Calamitas does, but he also seemingly joined early on, when the Crusade was moslty focused on taking down evil gods, at which point, he believed it was for the good of the people and world, most likely. Not only that, he didn't seemingly directly kill or harm others, more so helping organize the cities yharim controlled and war tactics. It's quite likely some of Yharim's more extreme operations were done without his consent, though - As seen by the Illmeran massacre. This dosen't change the fact he supported Yharim for a long while, and even if he wasn't fully aware of the extent of his cruelty, signs would've been inevitably been shown - Perhaps he simply wanted to believe someone he trusted and had fought alongside before wasn't really a bad person, but when undeniable proof of it was shown, he deserted the Yharmy and helps you ingame, likely on the hopes you could make hte world a better place.

so yep

thats the cheese yharmy war crimes tier list
from who i think is the most evil motherfucker to the least

[icy veldt]

I'd argue that Perm should be above Cal simply because he stuck around for so long, but the reasoning is largely sound

[wanton pendant]

This is where 'A god murdered Permafrost's kid' theory comes in.

[pliant ruin]

I think they can be interchangeable depending on how you see it yeah
i personally believe in perma being in there just due to the scale of cal's actions, but i can see the argument for otherwise

[eager bluff]

perma and cal are really like the same level

[icy veldt]

We also don't know how much more effective Perm's advice made Yharim's crusade

[wanton pendant]

It made some of his conquests possible.

[icy veldt]

It was probably pretty important, given his high status

[wanton pendant]

He couldn't have done it without him.

[icy veldt]

Oh. Yeah he's more guilty than Cal is. Like I'd say they're not even interchangeable at that point

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas also only served a bit over three years by my count. Permafrost is somewhere around ninety.

[eager bluff]

i mean

you're also missing the important idea of

him not controlling the ground troops

[wanton pendant]

He's the one drawing up the battle plans. That's what strategists do.

[icy veldt]

It made some of his conquests possible.
He couldn't have done it without him.

[wanton pendant]

And also he was an administrator, an admittedly more peaceful occupation.

[eager bluff]

hes the guy seeing the overall everything, not the guy telling troops to burn civilians alive

[icy veldt]

If Perm didn't join Yharim in the first place, the Crusade would've been less effective

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost is very much one of the characters we know the least about right now, so we don't really know his motive for joining or staying.

[young socket]

i think perma should be 5 and cal 6

since perma was like

an adult.

[icy veldt]

He should've known better from the start

[pliant ruin]

I did say that yeah

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas was groomed as a child into doing it, Permafrost was 300 something when he joined.

[eager bluff]

mf

nobody knew better at the start

[young socket]

400 ish

[icy veldt]

Everyone should've known better from the start

[young socket]

hes around 500 now

[wanton pendant]

He's 400 now.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah Yharim just seemed like a good guy initially

He was killing evil gods nobody liked n shi

[wanton pendant]

Oh, did they change it?

[young socket]

no

[icy veldt]

This is where the suspicion of "too good to be true" would've come in handy

[eager bluff]

initially he was genuinely making things overall better

[eager bluff]

sometimes too good to be true has to take a backseat to killing objective known fascists

[wanton pendant]

I'm sorry, is there new dev dialogue putting him at 500 instead of 400 like the Christmas dialogue?

[icy veldt]

And then killing every other god. As well as all of their worshippers

[visual kiln]

buh

war crime tier list

[eager bluff]

congrats you have noticed a shift that took literal decades to happen

[wanton pendant]

We have the war crime chart, now the ratings board.

[eager bluff]

its not like he turned on a dime and immediately started murdering civilians there was a slow shift there

[icy veldt]

I had thought Yharim was always willing to murder civilians, because that's the kind of guy he always was

[wanton pendant]

Bro fell for the 'Devourer made me do it' gambit.

[icy veldt]

Was there ever a point that Yharim wasn't willing to murder civilians?

[eager bluff]

no im not saying dog made him do it

[icy veldt]

/genuine question

[eager bluff]

im saying that you dont immediately go into war killing civilians when you are trying to build up a reputation as The Good Guy

[icy veldt]

OH that makes sense

[wanton pendant]

If you call the civilians evil and complicit in genocide...

[icy veldt]

Me when I admit that Yharim is manipulative:
Also me when I blame people who were successfully manipulated by Yharim for being complicit:

I gotta stop doing that

[plucky juniper]

[eager bluff]

once that reputation is built up yeah he just went in and did start killing civilians

[wanton pendant]

Online we call that trolling.

[icy veldt]

I guess "burning down all civilization" is somewhat of a sensitive topic with me, that turns off my brain's logic-processing abilities

[visual kiln]

devourer is almost comically evil tbh

[wanton pendant]

He had a civilian incineration division.

[icy veldt]

Even when it's a fictional civilization

[visual kiln]

saturday night cartoon ahh creature

[wanton pendant]

It's hilarious you say that after what I was thinking about earlier.

[visual kiln]

also tbh i wonder to what extent his identity is like

based on noxus

as in does he view himself as literally being noxus

a part of noxus

or something

[wanton pendant]

I like to think he's also disobedient to Noxus, just like with Yharim, because he's just that arrogant, but in either case he's too weak to do anything about it.

[eager bluff]

but that was also a relatively slow shift because you dont want to have news break that the supposed good guy has, over the span of a single night, went from preserving civilian life and structures (ill admit, not super clear on if he went out of his way to do any of that) to intentionally burning civilians alive. that WILL just ruin your reputation as The Good Guy

[icy veldt]

What does Noxus look like?

[visual kiln]

dont think anyone who knows can tell u

[wanton pendant]

He was speed runnning sieges.

[wanton pendant]

Nobody knows, probably doesn't even have concept art.

[icy veldt]

What if Noxus is a fat rat

[eager bluff]

there was a tiny little screenshot of concept art posted by mihaii before he got kicked off the team i think but thats been pulled so not really in the question

[wanton pendant]

Wasn't that the plagiarism guy?

[eager bluff]

yes

[wanton pendant]

So if it's from them I get the feeling it'd be scrapped for reasons.

[plucky juniper]

one thing we know is that Yharim himself seemingly helped cleanup efforts post-sieges early on, given Draedon's discussion regarding his first meeting with Yharim

[icy veldt]

God of Plagiarism, from the Dragon of Plagiarism (not actually a perfect ascension; the domain only stayed the same because he plagiarized it)

[eager bluff]

its been pulled

[visual kiln]

he does have concept art

[wanton pendant]

God of Copying, Dragon of Plagiarism. (Changed it so they wouldn't notice.)

[eager bluff]

mihaii pulled all assets of his when he left

[plucky juniper]

I had expected it to arrive while the city was still under siege to have an edge in negotiations, but by the time my machine arrived, the city had fallen a week prior. Such military might was beyond anything I had deemed possible at the time. It was then the Godseeker interested me just as much as the Auric dragon did.

Yharim was a very distinctive figure even then and it was not difficult to locate him. I found him in a charred street directing the cleanup effort. After he spotted my reconnaissance drone unexpectedly, we had a tense but brief negotiation.

[icy veldt]

Ohhh, so not like cleaning up the Corruption or Crimson. Just clearing out rubble from a siege

[wanton pendant]

Oh nevermind I guess he never did anything wrong Yharim's the good guy.

[light linden]

I uh

bad news

[wanton pendant]

What?

[eager bluff]

the corruption and crimson didnt exist for quite a while after those gods died

[wanton pendant]

Did Yharim do something bad?

[light linden]

that's what I thought too but a dev said uh

[icy veldt]

Huh, I see

[light linden]

that "cleanup" was executing all the people who worshipped gods

[wanton pendant]

This scene is over twenty years into the crusade.

[icy veldt]

So the dead gods' essences took some time to coalesce into anything recognizable as the evil biomes

[icy veldt]

Of course

[eager bluff]

their essence needed time to fester

[plucky juniper]

source?

[light linden]

1 sec

I am looking for it now

[wanton pendant]

Yharim ate babies, brought plague into our homes, and he hates gay people!

[light linden]

.

.

[plucky juniper]

Okay, Rebecca literally states that is HER first immediate conclusion on a line someone else wrote

[light linden]

oh

[icy veldt]

He was trying to rehome/relocate them, right? Because he was still trying to seem like the Good Guy, and hadn't really shifted yet into murder-everyone mode?

Lmao

[green bay]

Famn i guess i cant support yharim after this :(

[light linden]

forgot about that

[wanton pendant]

They give a reason.

[plucky juniper]

.

[wanton pendant]

Being that why would you clean up an area you just burned down.

[north wigeon]

huh. I didn't know mihaii got kicked for plagiarism. crazy

just saw his concepts on twt and looked nice

[wheat walrus]

mihaii

[plucky juniper]

we also have to account for the fact that draedon himself is stating that this was a clean up effort

[wanton pendant]

The extremely dispassionate robot who doesn't value human life?

[wheat walrus]

i know dude copied bird's artstyle a lot, which uhh

bird, what else to say

[light linden]

idk who that is

[wheat walrus]

ex caldev/artist

[icy veldt]

Tbf, Draedon wouldn't use the word "clean-up effort" to describe Yharim lining people up and shooting them

That kind of euphemism would be from someone who assigns negative value to human life

[wanton pendant]

Cleaning up the bodies, evidence of his crimes.

[icy veldt]

Well by that point they're already dead

[visual kiln]

tbh i’d put yharon above yharim for the sole reason thst i dont think yharim would’ve gone on a crusade if yharon didnt impart his ideology into him

[eager bluff]

yeah calling it a cleanup effort doesnt really fit draedons personality

[wanton pendant]

Someone summon the writers, then we create a trap, then we make them answer our questions!

[icy veldt]

And what would evidence do? Waging war against your enemies doesn't require finding evidence that your enemies are killing people

[light linden]

@cosmic zenithyou've been summoned

[wanton pendant]

Yharon has a slightly better reason to crusade.

[pliant ruin]

I can see the argument for that but Yharim was the one that chose to continue on with it, it wasn't manipulation or coercion, it was just Yharon saying something and Yharim going "so true on dragon"

Atleast the way i see it

[eager bluff]

*so true on dragon

[pliant ruin]

so true on dragon 🙏

[icy veldt]

DAMMIT, I got beaten to it

[wheat walrus]

providence is dying for this

[wanton pendant]

Wait we should have made the trap first!

[cosmic zenith]

Trap... me?
You got it the other way around.

[light linden]

hi stip

[visual kiln]

Oh yeah it wasn’t manipulation or coercion

[wanton pendant]

That we know of.

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/shinobu-kocho-douma-doma-hashira-gif-15232794521627390095

Hello

[icy veldt]

Unusual embed success

[light linden]

would you like a bnnuy?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim isn't reliable, but Yharon doesn't come across as overtly manipulative.

[visual kiln]

Its kinda more like the relationship between Morgoth and sauron

[pliant ruin]

And on that note Yharim and Yharon are basically on the same ideology really, but i give Yharon slightly less flack

just because he has a better reason for it

Even if it still dosen't justify his actions

[visual kiln]

yharim wouldnt be genocidal without yharon

[icy veldt]

I'd give Yharon more flak, because dragons = bad

[pliant ruin]

someone should eat your liver

[wanton pendant]

Counterpoint: Dragons are awesome.

[visual kiln]

No brainrot

I bite

[wanton pendant]

Oh, nearly forgot, is that Goku?

[visual kiln]

die

[icy veldt]

Nah, dragons are evil. Source: Yharim thinks they're good

[cosmic zenith]

Sure ig

[wanton pendant]

So true.

[eager bluff]

yharon does have valid reasons to hate every god, yharim has. quite less

[plucky juniper]

Stip we had an argument over this line

Yharim was a very distinctive figure even then and it was not difficult to locate him. I found him in a charred street directing the cleanup effort.
I'm genuinely serious, is Draedon stating that Yharim was helping clean up stuff in a ruined city?

[young socket]

stip with chrysadia

[pliant ruin]

i think if Yharon had been really vengeful and angry at first but actually realized that it wasn't the right thing to do and calmed tf down he'd have been i'd have forgiven him the same way i forgive calamitas tbh

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's reasons to be mad: They enslaved him.
Yharon's reasons to be mad: They killed his entire species.

[cosmic zenith]

Yep

[pliant ruin]

But instead of doing this he went

[visual kiln]

But nop!

[pliant ruin]

kill everyone !

[visual kiln]

all genocides

[wheat walrus]

oh no they're posting images mods kill them

[plucky juniper]

okay just wanted to ask cause some people here legitimately believed tha yharim was looking around for godworshipers to kill

[visual kiln]

commit my genocides, yharim!

[plucky juniper]

purely becuase a certain rebecca got confused

[visual kiln]

commit them!

[wanton pendant]

Like a certain other dev.

[cosmic zenith]

Nah he probably had done that by that point

[icy veldt]

Same (my Terrarian's new empire would've sentenced him to life in prison instead of death)

[light linden]

also stip

[wanton pendant]

So he had been killing civilians?

I can't believe he'd do this! Yharim why!

[light linden]

how realistic would you say trapping yharim in the dungeon is?

[wanton pendant]

I'd say near impossible.

[icy veldt]

Put Yharim in chains that he can't break, just to make him relive his horrible childhood memories as punishment

[wanton pendant]

Then he gets his trusty spear that can break anything...

[icy veldt]

It's too far away for him to reach

[cosmic zenith]

You can't trap Yharim anywhere

[light linden]

hmm

is it because he can access the aerie?

[cosmic zenith]

No

Because it's fucking Yharim

[young socket]

wat about the thing cal does

the fucking box

[light linden]

my idea was throwing him in there and destroying the entrance/exit

[young socket]

can he break out of that

[icy veldt]

What if you inject Yharim with tranquilizer drugs?

[cosmic zenith]

He can defeat Calamitas so yes

[plucky juniper]

i disagree. i think you can easily trap yharim with elephant seals

[young socket]

ok but wat if calamitas does it without being in the box herself

[cosmic zenith]

Good luck getting it injected

[young socket]

or does she have to be in it for it to properly work

[wheat walrus]

true overdone

[icy veldt]

Yharim has to poop on occasion, right?

[green bay]

Trap yharim in abox made of live queen bees

[icy veldt]

And he probably doesn't do it in his armor

[light linden]

my idea was having that mage hand summon pick him up by the plume and just

drag him

[young socket]

yharim has a poop lock

[wanton pendant]

Foolishness.

[young socket]

its like an air lock but for his shits

[cosmic zenith]

You'd think he wouldn't poop around his enemies

[wheat walrus]

dawg

[icy veldt]

Sneak up on him while he's on the toilet

Boom

[glacial rampart]

yharim is on this type shit

[wanton pendant]

What if we stuck him on the sun.

[cosmic zenith]

Yharim is not that wind-headed

[icy veldt]

That'd be too quick. I want Yharim to suffer before he dies

[cosmic zenith]

Good luck getting him there

[wanton pendant]

Wind-headed? I've never heard such an expression.

[wheat walrus]

looks like fandom website

[glacial rampart]

it probably is

[eager bluff]

he doesnt have a whole lot going on in his head but he has enough going on to fucking kill you

[wheat walrus]

rest in peace

[eager bluff]

it is

[wanton pendant]

Make a prison made of Nokia phones.

[wheat walrus]

yea

prep the funeral

[cosmic zenith]

Oh, damn, it's not "wind-headed"

[glacial rampart]

yeah except that literally is what happens in blazblue

[cosmic zenith]

I probably have to search for the exact term

[glacial rampart]

[eager bluff]

as strong as a nokia phone is... it really isnt lol

[icy veldt]

They stopped making those with the fall of civilization

[wheat walrus]

minus the ads

and the bad mid bad bad stinky website

[glacial rampart]

oh you're omni thats why ur annoying nvm

[wheat walrus]

😔

[wanton pendant]

You mean air-headed?

[wheat walrus]

k

annoyance at nothing gng 🥀

[cosmic zenith]

Yep, that's the expression I was looking for
Though scatterbrained is more fitting in-context

You're not gonna just sneak up on Yharim

[wanton pendant]

Solid Snake could.

[icy veldt]

I guess I'll have to settle with mounting his helmet on a pike as a symbol, after killing him 😔

[eager bluff]

there isnt a whole lot going on up there but theres enough for him to punch you in the face and explode your balls

[cosmic zenith]

Fun fact: people used to put plastic covers on Nokia phones to stop falls from damaging the ground

[warm gull]

elsa from frozen vs calamitas from calamity

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas kills that fraud.

Selfish monarchist.

I hate that movie.

[icy veldt]

That's what really happened to Azafure! The Brimmy attack was made up! Yharim had Draedon's drones drop Nokia phones on the ground, as a false flag attack! Wake up!