lore-discussion

[vast cosmos]

Why not :(

[wanton pendant]

It's mean.

[pliant ruin]

i gotta keep the agenda alive so reminder that by technicality hive mind is the one that causes everything to happen

purple brain of chtulhu was the true bad guy all along guys

[icy veldt]

And Yharim just keeps it around for rhetorical reasons

[wanton pendant]

Well if we're maintaining agendas then make Calamitas Clone spareable!

[vast cosmos]

what

[pliant ruin]

boy im glad evil2 swap is happening

[wanton pendant]

It's got that dogma in him.

[pliant ruin]

besides the fact that fighting the literal god remnant amalgamates so early on by itself is anticlimatic and all the gameplay reasons attached to it too

one of the worst parts is

hive mind

vro

[vast cosmos]

he/it hive mind?

calamity is woke?

[long bloom]

probably

[pliant ruin]

imagine fighting the remnants of the dude who made yharim into who he is

[vast cosmos]

go woke go broke

[pliant ruin]

as a earlygame pre hm boss

🥀

[wanton pendant]

Yes I he/it it with my weapons.

[long bloom]

the only canon relationship is a gay couple

[pliant ruin]

like im not insane by saying thats extremely anticlimatic right

😭

[wanton pendant]

Final boss is aro/ace.

[long bloom]

it is

it's so dumb

[wanton pendant]

Yharhe/him.

[split mortar]

Ever since i found out the swap is possible i have said evil 2 will now fit its lore hype

[vast cosmos]

what if yharim was transgender

[vast cosmos]

what swap

[split mortar]

Evil 2 swapping with dragon folly in progression

[vast cosmos]

woah

[split mortar]

Gender change potion exists it would be trivial to transition in calamity

[wanton pendant]

Yharer.

[pliant ruin]

🙏

[split mortar]

Its in the spoiler doc i think its basically confirmed

[pliant ruin]

yeah its at a state where like

TECHNICALLY it could Not Happen

but also like

who tf is gonna say no to it 😭

[robust osprey]

fabsol's nefarious ghost

[split mortar]

Just shoot it

[split mortar]

Everything but officially confirmed

[wanton pendant]

Fabsoul.

[pliant ruin]

new calamity mod boss just dropped

[wheat walrus]

Insane swap but it'd go hard kinda

But I think it's best if it stays pre-ml tho

Like right before

You fight the remnants of what made Yharim into who he is, then you fight the remnants of the original trigger for all that happened

What is left of Yharim and Xeroc's reasons

Filth embedded to the earth and filth descending from the heavens

🔥

[split mortar]

Yeah i see your point Fair

[wheat walrus]

Ya

Also check gc melon the luck i stole from you was put to good use

[split mortar]

Peak

[pliant ruin]

i think the reason they specifically want it to be post ml is mostly gameplay

too many hm bosses + excuse to have a bigger focus on evil biomes post ml since they have Nothing rn

[crimson junco]

gameplay comes first

[split mortar]

Yeah
Didnt know how to word it but i do think the biggest reason is gameplay

Still nice that the story gets better from the move even if its not the best placement for it

[random mulch]

also putting dragonfolly in a spot that makes more sense

[pliant ruin]

finally, the (relatively) common animal isn't stronger than almost every being in the world ❤️

[pliant ruin]

thats me

[wheat walrus]

the dragonfolly shall transcend the divine

[pliant ruin]

look ok you can say moonlord is weakened all you want but dude being weaker than a mundane animal is still 😭

Atleast everything else in post ml is like

really powerful individual beings or just straight up some of the strongest dudes laive

dragonfolly is just completely out of place

😭

[pliant ruin]

And yeah yeah

I know dragonfolly isn't "mundane", it's magical

[wheat walrus]

in comparison

[pliant ruin]

What i mean by mundane is that it's a whole species that is an active part of an ecosystem rather than like

a single rly strong individual of a species or like a magically mutated being or smth

in the context of calamity's universe

its a mundane animal

[wheat walrus]

js make it like uhh

safi'jiiva 💥

it's technically part of the ecosystem but exists at the very top of it and allowing it to multiply would doom the entire world

think that but in a bit of a smaller scale since the dragonfolly didn't discover limitless energy nor is it born from the energy of a krillion lifeforms

[split mortar]

Like farthest a mundane animal gets in calamity ignoring folly is duke fishron i think
And duke is strong for that species anyways and is only like mid to late hardmode iirc

[wheat walrus]

"iirc"

[split mortar]

Folly is just odd

[wheat walrus]

melon im like the only person who doesnt play terraria here

how r u sayin iirc to that

[split mortar]

I dont remember the intended part where you sre meant to fight fishron

[wheat walrus]

dementlon

demelon

shooting the dementia gun

[thick slate]

me when i have to shoot my dog cuz im bored

[split mortar]

[wheat walrus]

dang taylor

[pliant ruin]

basically late hardmode yea

dragonfolly works way better as a earler introduction to dragon offshoots anyways i think

sunken sea stuff tells you alot about gods, and i assume sky stuff with the dragonfolly fight would tell you alot about dragons

and then you get your first proper fight with a god not much after with slime god in early hm

then in post ml you get fights with multiple dragons and gods that are strong as fuck

evil2, providence, ravager
old duke, primwyrm, yharon

perfectly balanced

as all things should be

[wheat walrus]

gofu

[glass birch]

gohu

[plucky juniper]

goku

[wheat walrus]

gofu was meant to be bait for "gofu kurselve"

"goku kurselve" does NOT sound better here

neither does "gohu kurselve"

[vagrant star]

Goku kurbstomp

[icy veldt]

Ilmerian monk named Yors Elph who constantly has people showing up at his door because they were told to fuck him

[wanton pendant]

I leave my computer for ten minutes...

[wanton pendant]

Is that Batman?

[plucky juniper]

no, this is

[wanton pendant]

That's a Flamingo.

[brazen swallow]

that's yharon

yharon irl real

[plucky juniper]

||its actually an American avocet, which to be fair i didnt know it existed 1 hour ago either||

[wanton pendant]

American? But it isn't red, white, and blue!

[wanton pendant]

No thank you.

[wanton pendant]

Why do you have more.

[wanton pendant]

Stop.

[wheat walrus]

I should look for more freaktalis frames and make them stickers

I know Crimson has one

[plucky juniper]

Eggni after horrifying WaterWraithGaming with freaktalis

[wanton pendant]

Where are you getting these.

[wanton pendant]

Maybe two of those words are in the bible.

[wheat walrus]

Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate, Monster Hunter 15th Anniversary, Monster Hunter World Iceborne

[wanton pendant]

That was rhetorical.

[plucky juniper]

"after" and "with" are my guesses tbh

[wheat walrus]

Horrifying too probs

Holy shit

[wanton pendant]

I was right.

[wheat walrus]

Has to be one of the least biblical messages in this server

[wanton pendant]

I concur. Let's never do that again.

[wheat walrus]

Skibidi green rathalos rizzclashes hawk tuah purple lagiacrus

[wanton pendant]

Purple and green are probably in the bible.

[wheat walrus]

Also hawk

[wanton pendant]

Hawk, maybe.

[wheat walrus]

Need to improve my game

[long bloom]

the word for purple didn't exist 2,000 years ago

that's why it's called red cabbage

[wanton pendant]

The English version of the bible didn't exist 2000 years ago.

[wheat walrus]

Yharim auramaxxes yhis rizzomain yhand mogs sigmadron

[distant smelt]

What the fuck

[wanton pendant]

Adding the letter y to normal words is cheating I think.

[wheat walrus]

No I'm using the yhanguage

[distant smelt]

Im going to yhrangle you

[wheat walrus]

Unholy message

[long bloom]

lore discussion

[distant smelt]

I got here and the channel was already doomed this time

[wanton pendant]

The Bible is pertinent to the lore.

Jesus is somehow canon, I can feel it.

[long bloom]

wrong

frost moon doesn't exist

[wheat walrus]

Frost Moon DOES exist

[lucid niche]

@long bloom ok fine I’m too curious

[wanton pendant]

Fovos is what the sky people called Moon Lord.

He tried to kill the dragons, nearly did it, and they locked him on the moon.

[wheat walrus]

Why so curious

[long bloom]

year 1037 of the azafurian calendar, ml rocked up and started laying waste to the dragons

killed about half of them

[lucid niche]

Are these like actual dragons or those fake ass duke fishron kind of dragons

[wanton pendant]

Real Dragons.

[lucid niche]

Damn

[long bloom]

they were too dumb to attack his weak points (eyes) so they just tore him in half and threw him on the moon

[wheat walrus]

🍈🔫

[robust osprey]

melonsignal

[long bloom]

800 years later you free him and he immediately starts beating the shit out of you

[distant smelt]

Mfw a squid mf starts throwing hands with basically god (before gods were a thing)

[lucid niche]

That’s some real hater shit

[wanton pendant]

Good news, there's a Dragon that can revive dead dragons. The bad news, Moon Lord can probably inhibit this and also people began eating the dragon souls.

[lucid niche]

Spend 800 years waiting and the instant you get out you try to beat the shit out of the guy who freed you

[distant smelt]

I like to imagine ml just attempts to rock the shit out of the strongest thing nearby

[robust osprey]

people didnt consume souls during moonlord

[wanton pendant]

They did after.

[robust osprey]

he just does some janky thing to their soul

[wanton pendant]

Which is what I'm describing.

[robust osprey]

so they cannot revive

[wanton pendant]

I said that.

[lucid niche]

So why does the Cultist summon the pillars on death then, was he the guy that sealed ml or is he just loosely related

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord is summoning them.

[long bloom]

pillars are ml's portable army

[wanton pendant]

Lunatic Cultist is keeping him sealed.

[lucid niche]

Oh

[distant smelt]

The cultists are dragon fanatics actually

[wanton pendant]

Because he's a furry.

[robust osprey]

lc was keeping moonlord's seal

[lucid niche]

So basically we killed this guy because we were bored

And now suffer the consequences of it

[robust osprey]

no he looked suspicious

[long bloom]

yuh

[distant smelt]

As is typical of the terrarian

[wanton pendant]

No it's to get Yharim's attention, assuming you ever listened to poor Amidias' advice.

[icy veldt]

Nah the dude was a dragon cultist. He probably deserved it

[distant smelt]

Amidias isnt real He can’t hurt me

[wanton pendant]

Lunatic also probably committed war crimes.

[robust osprey]

does your terrarian know about this

[icy veldt]

Of course not

[lucid niche]

From what I can tell so has literally every other major lore character I know about

What’s different about him

[robust osprey]

locking up a lot of inocent people counts as warcrine right

[wanton pendant]

Big time.

[icy veldt]

Outside of just "dragon = bad" reverse-Yharim morality

[wanton pendant]

He's crazy?

[robust osprey]

he can tell you Literally The Whole Lore

[lucid niche]

Right it’s in his name

[robust osprey]

he is just too insane to have a normal talk

[icy veldt]

Only if you use physical chains Prison cells are totally fine

[robust osprey]

there are chained skeletons in dungeon

it counts

[icy veldt]

Um, ignore that

[wanton pendant]

Here's my handy dandy war crime guilt chart for Team Yharim. Don't got Cultist on it, but it's great for remembering why they did their atrocities! :)

[icy veldt]

"You didn't see anything!" - Yharim

[wanton pendant]

Prisoners aren't slaves.

[lucid niche]

Not sure what the Geneva convention says on reviving thousands of prisoners as skeletons via necromancy and giving them fucking sniper rifles

[wanton pendant]

So it's fair game.

[lucid niche]

I think that’s generally frowned upon

[distant smelt]

Holy shit it’s mirahy!

[wanton pendant]

It's actually in Article 29, Section 12.

[icy veldt]

Yeahhhhh 😎

[wanton pendant]

This all leads into 'Moon is haunted' theory, obviously.

[icy veldt]

Evil Yharim be lik-- oh wait that's just Yharim

[wanton pendant]

Evil Yharim: "Grooming teenagers to fight in wars is morally reprehensible and I would never stoop to such lows."

[icy veldt]

Evil Provi: "BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK"

[wanton pendant]

Uninstall your nervous system.

[icy veldt]

I never had one to begin with

[lucid niche]

So basically cal didn’t do much bad aside from kill a bunch of Italians, Draedon is the worst (based), and Yharim is the worst (unbased)

[wanton pendant]

She killed almost all of them.

Reduced it to ashen rubble.

Devastated the environment.

[lucid niche]

Comparably not that bad

[plucky juniper]

Evil Provi would turn herself into a seal

[long bloom]

STOP

[icy veldt]

So... who in Calamity is most likely to turn themselves into a pickle?

[plucky juniper]

No.

[wanton pendant]

She's got like, nearly 60 million in a kill count assuming Ilmeris also had a similar population to Italy, not including wildlife.

[plucky juniper]

You WILL tolerate the presence of pinnipeds in your vicinity

[lucid niche]

Yeah but she said sorry tho

[wanton pendant]

Draedon, to someone else.

[icy veldt]

Dang, so not quite a high score, but she's up there!

[wanton pendant]

True...

[icy veldt]

Draedon turns Permafrost into a pickle and gets addicted to saying "Picklefrost", while Perm never gets the reference until the end of the episode

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas turns him back, then turns herself into a plushie.

[icy veldt]

TRUE...

[wanton pendant]

Then she kills my wallet.

[icy veldt]

And then the Terrarian scrounges up a bunch of Provy's scattered essence and turns the Profaned Goddess into-- you already know where this is going

[distant smelt]

“I turned myself into a marketable plushie permafrost help”

[distant smelt]

A marketable plushie for consumer enjoyment?

[icy veldt]

||A cat||

[wanton pendant]

Uninstall your circulatory system.

[icy veldt]

||Or catgirl, depending on how much profaned magic can be reassembled||

[distant smelt]

But my capitalism

[distant smelt]

Death

[wanton pendant]

That's it, another Warhammer game is getting delisted.

[icy veldt]

We need an emoji of Provy giving a psychotic evil smug smirk

[distant smelt]

Wait no

[icy veldt]

I'm going to inject Plague stuff into Calamitas and tell her to make me a Krabby Patty boil you

[distant smelt]

She’d overcome it with sheer edginess

[wanton pendant]

Just like in that hypothetical I came up with.

[icy veldt]

True!

[icy veldt]

Me: "I want you to boil WaterWraithGaming!"
Calborg 9000: "BEEP BOOP I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT" *vaporizes me*

[distant smelt]

Cursed idea
Another trio of bosses like the mechs but it’s the plague and it’s the phm bosses that aren’t mech

Because this isnt the worst idea ever

[wanton pendant]

There once was a developer who saw all the current bosses as potential for new bosses. Anyway, they killed him.

[icy veldt]

I think I had a similar idea for my backburnered Vindication mod: Exo Mechs Series II

[distant smelt]

Thank god

[wanton pendant]

King Slime, Queen Bee, Brain of Cthulhu?

[distant smelt]

I guess

I didnt think this through if you couldnt tell

[wanton pendant]

Metal Slime, Plague Bringer Goliath, The Thinker.

[distant smelt]

one of these names is not like the others

[icy veldt]

It was kinda dumb tbh, I just had X2-(some numbers) Bellona that was mecha Providence, X2-(different numbers) Astarte that was mecha Empress of Light, and X2-(oh wow more numbers) Ulkair that was mecha Yharon

The usage of the name Ulkair (the Great Unclean One from Dawn of War II) for mecha-Yharon was foreshadowing that Yharon was reborn already, ahead of time, using a dark ritual by worshippers of the Distortion to create a Distortion-stuff-infused dragon named Yhalkur

I came up with this many months ago before I joined this server, so all of the Yhalkur stuff is probably very implausible

[wanton pendant]

Yeah it takes him time to revive. Of course the other two are the women.

[icy veldt]

Well the point of the ritual was to hasten it artificially

Which was just kinda dumb

[distant smelt]

People would go feral over a mecha EoL so quickly

[wanton pendant]

I don't want to imagine the direction you would take metal Providence.

[icy veldt]

Oh no, it'd look like regular Provy. Draedon wouldn't know about the cat thing

[distant smelt]

Intricate shell with many jets?

[icy veldt]

Pretty much, as well as giant radio antennas on the head

I think I was planning to replace the crown/horns with a pair of log-periodic radio antennas

Like this

[wanton pendant]

So would they be named Hestia, Demeter, and Hephaestus?

[distant smelt]

Even though they’d be meh fights the designs would go hard

Like they could be creative but they wouldn’t fit i mean

[icy veldt]

No, no. Bellona (for Provy), Astarte (for Emps), and Ulkair (for Yharon)

[distant smelt]

Wth is ulkair

[icy veldt]

The Great Unclean One from Dawn of War II

[wanton pendant]

One of those is a Roman one...

I was trying to stick with the Greek god names.

[distant smelt]

Every new line must have a different theme

Arbitrarily of course

[wanton pendant]

Theme: Draedon got really into Warhammer that week.

[icy veldt]

Astarte was the Greek name of the Mesopotamian goddess Ištar

Originally

[distant smelt]

My headcanon for why wotg dude is called mars

[wanton pendant]

Because it's the Roman name of Ares.

So the second version.

Because it's the upgrade.

[zenith geode]

the word green isnt in the bible? weird

[icy veldt]

Grøn

Grüün

A Drægøn once bit my sister

[wanton pendant]

That's rough buddy.

[distant smelt]

Hmmm
No

[wanton pendant]

What the hell do you mean no?

[distant smelt]

No

[icy veldt]

Provy Cat
Provy Cat

[wanton pendant]

Refrain from respiration.

[distant smelt]

Im slowly starting to like the idea ngl

[wanton pendant]

Don't turn to the dark side.

[icy veldt]

Cats manipulate people. Provy manipulates people. Therefore, Provy is cats

[distant smelt]

Too late

Yharim cat

Same logic

[icy veldt]

Yharim cat vs Provy cat

[distant smelt]

Yhat vs prat

Be really funny if yharim wasn’t his original name and he just changed it to match yharon

Because otherwise holy coincidence

[wanton pendant]

That's the theory.

[icy veldt]

His original name was probably really embarrassing

[wanton pendant]

Jeremy the Godseeker.

[icy veldt]

But not as much as Cal's. Her previous name (before she was called Calamitas) was so humiliating that it had to be deleted from the universe

[distant smelt]

Yharim the original krispy kreme the way he’s glazing

[wanton pendant]

I have a theory on what her name was.

[distant smelt]

Oh btw
Her brothers are just called catastrophe and cataclysm
Why is she not calamity

[wanton pendant]

Those aren't their real names.

One is probably a stage name, he was some kind of brawler. The other is an alias, as he was a mercenary.

[distant smelt]

Oh god a whole family of edge lords

[icy veldt]

Well, not a whole family anymore

[distant smelt]

Maybe not to you

[icy veldt]

[distant smelt]

Those unholy husks are real to me

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas may not have come up with her own name, to be fair.

[icy veldt]

I think it's stated that Yharim's enemies started calling her that first

[distant smelt]

She is Still absurdly edgy tho

[icy veldt]

She just needs a hug

[wanton pendant]

She absolutely had some awful catchprase, however.

[distant smelt]

Indubitably

[icy veldt]

Is anyone in Calamity mod a booger eater?

[distant smelt]

Bandit

[icy veldt]

Dang

[distant smelt]

I have no basis for this as i’ve literally never spoken to them

But

Vibes

[wanton pendant]

Going straight for the non-binary. Wow.

[icy veldt]

"Yummy booger yum yum" - some guy from Romania on another server I was on

[distant smelt]

Half of my friends are genderqueer

[icy veldt]

Wait, speaking of the Bandit, are they from Calamity-mod Romania?

[distant smelt]

Including me

[wanton pendant]

Revealed in SSO. They're from Calamity-Mod England.

[icy veldt]

CAM ON INGERLAN

SCOR SOM FACKIN GOALS

[distant smelt]

Booger eater confirmed then

[wanton pendant]

'It's totally fine, I've got a non-binary friend.' I thought we were slightly better than this.

[distant smelt]

I think it’s more important to note i know nothing about bandit even kind of

[wanton pendant]

Relying on pure stereotypes. In the year of our lord 2025. Be better.

[distant smelt]

There is nothing lordly involved in 2025

[wanton pendant]

Counterpoint:

[distant smelt]

Abomination

Ignored

[icy veldt]

You mean the year of the City 2778, of course

[distant smelt]

Abominationn
Received

[icy veldt]

Abominatiogus

[wanton pendant]

I will filter your blood and use it to make coffee, which I will then use to help college kids in need study.

[distant smelt]

I got rid of my blood a while ago

I replaced it all with gender fluid
I am in constant agony

[icy veldt]

Could someone who was born with glass bones and paper skin still be able to use magic?

Or do the bones need to be made of bonestuff and not glass to hold mana?

[distant smelt]

Only until i find them

[wanton pendant]

Maybe mana is like when your body mistakes other stuff for calcium and puts it in your bones.

[distant smelt]

I was born with mana bones and astral skin
Deus is trying to find me

[river bear]

INSANE CRACKPOT THEORY

All of the major endgame characters are meant to be parallels to aspects of the player.

• Yharim is the boss killer. An immense crusade against the gods, he tells himself it's because they're evil, but at the end of it all, it almost feels like he's just doing it because that's what he's been doing this whole time. Sure, the EOC or King Slime are (kinda?) evil, but what the hell did Queen Bee do to you?

• Draedon is the collector/lore guy. His entire character is that he's searching for all knowledge possible, and needs an insane amount of material to do so. So much materials, in fact, that he makes an arrangement with Yharim (the boss killer) to collect more knowledge/stuff. This feels kinda like a multiplayer world

• Calamitas, then, is representative of the bosses themselves. The Calamitas clone's theme includes motifs of various previous bosses (i forget if Stained, Brutal Calamity does but i digress) and she was the one to be used by Yharim. She was found by him, and instead of seeing the traumatized teenager, he only saw a weapon. Similarly, let's use the Queen Bee example. A completely optional boss, but she gives you some potent weapons for the point in progression (especially beenades, which are still really good against the WOF). In the same vein, "defeating" or controlling Calamitas gave Yharim a potent weapon (in her magic) to use against "bosses" (the gods)

am i cooking or just sleep deprived

[plucky juniper]

🔥

[pliant ruin]

While i can confidently say that yeah this is not really intentional design and is a bit of a reach specially for Calamitas (Save for arguably Yharim, who does in fact have narrative parallels to the general idea of the player in certain ways) but i can see how you'd end up with this reading of them

In Yharim's case i do think it's atleast partially intentional though

Draedon's interpretation here makes sense, i think. Is it intentional? I'd confidently say no, but i can see the intepretation being done here and how it'd make sense.

Calamitas to me does just feel like a reach though. Essentially turning Yharim manipulating her and controlling her into parallel for "Defeating" a boss in of itself is already a p big reach, not to mention Calamitas wasn't really much of a "Boss" when Yharim found her, she had a huge burst of powers that one time but otherwise had no way of controlling it. She more or less became the "Boss" through being in his army

And on that note

Sure, the EOC or King Slime are (kinda?) evil, but what the hell did Queen Bee do to you?
King Slime is basically just a wild animal that attacks you; It's not evil, but it's just a as much of a threat as like, a tiger jumping you. So in that way you're admittedly justified in taking it down
EoC is just like literally evil incarnate no way to sugarcoat it there
Queen Bee is mostly a docile animal, as shown by the lore surrounding th efact entire towns where built around it, but considering it's "natural" spawn method is angering it by breaking the larva, which is something you can really easily do accidentaly.... At that point you might aswell defend yourself

You did hit pretty well with

Yharim is the boss killer. An immense crusade against the gods, he tells himself it's because they're evil, but at the end of it all, it almost feels like he's just doing it because that's what he's been doing this whole time.

Yeah because tghat's basically Yharim's entire characterization

Yharim gaslights himself into thinking all gods are evil and deserve to die because it's his entire purpose and the same ideology he has stuck to for like 100 years

It's impossible for him to go back because he's fully deluded himself into believing it and just like how he refuses to let the age of dragons let go and be part of the past, thus refusing change

He refuses change in the idea his ideology could be wrong

Not to mention that Calamitas only loosely fits into the theory oyu're building here given even here she's not even really a player archetype she's a element of the game itself

[river bear]

yeahh that one was kind of out of nowhere

whatever tho it's like three in the morning and i just had an epiphany while i was trying to sleep

lmao

[pliant ruin]

happens to the best of us dont worry

[split mortar]

👁️

[split mortar]

[brazen swallow]

canon

[wanton pendant]

Since Calamitas parallels Yharim a lot, you could fit her in as the new player, following the directions of the more experienced player who only shows her how he likes to play, instead of letting them develop their own play style.

[limpid saddle]

'Backseat gamer' sure does sound alot better than 'domestic abuser'

[wanton pendant]

What's the difference?

[strange stump]

:)

[wheat walrus]

appeared and disappeared by the minute

[split mortar]

Space appearing and dissapearing at random

[spring plover]

I'm sure u could find a better way to fit calamitas there

I really like what u said about draedon tho ive never thought abt it that way

[split mortar]

Wtfrick

[brazen swallow]

real

[icy veldt]

Clones need food too

[limpid saddle]

Always remember to feed your homonculus dopplegänger

[strange stump]

im doing the first modded playthrough ive had in a while

thought i'd come swinging here and say hi :p

[split mortar]

Fair

[wheat walrus]

appearing and disappearing again

flames

[wanton pendant]

Leaving behind flickering embers...

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith hey got a moment for a question?

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[faint totem]

That eventually either die out, or reignite the flame, starting the cycle over again

[light linden]

Why was storm weaver in the play?

[cosmic zenith]

Wdym

[light linden]

No idea but it shocked everyone

[cosmic zenith]

...?

[light linden]

it was a pun

[cosmic zenith]

Oh.

[light linden]

guess it fell flat

[cosmic zenith]

Lol

It didn't

I just thought it was meant to be a serious question for a moment

[light linden]

I do have an actual question though

are infernal suevite and hellstone related at all?

[cosmic zenith]

Probably, but not too much

[strange stump]

okay, how can you even tell...

are you omniscient

[wheat walrus]

dshlawg

[wanton pendant]

I highly doubt they're omni, man.

[split mortar]

Its easy to tell

[wheat walrus]

space alr left again melon

[split mortar]

If past actions give me the correct presumption
He will appear again

[wanton pendant]

Who is he?

[icy veldt]

Join. Leave. Join. Leave. Join. Leave. AAAAAAARRRRRGGHGHHRRRRHHHG

[split mortar]

Space was active a some time ago

[brazen swallow]

say that again...

[wanton pendant]

I highly doubt they're omni, man?

[wheat walrus]

the samsara of discord

☸️

[wanton pendant]

The endless cycle of connecting and disconnecting.

[icy veldt]

My internet connection:

[real glen]

Mars internet

[icy veldt]

Moon Lord's internet connection, as well

[split mortar]

Im new to the lore and i have noticed a lack of stuff on the playable character is there much we know of them?

[icy veldt]

The Terrarian... is...

ME!

[supple storm]

think the terrarian is just whatever you want them to be :P

[visual kiln]

hiii space

[split mortar]

Ohhh ok
Any interesting headcanons people have here for em?

[wanton pendant]

I think Terrarian is actually this weird guy named 'Yharim' I see brought up. I bet we have amnesia and it's gonna be this huge twist!

[split mortar]

Waoh

[supple storm]

clearly the terrarian is the forgotten and abandoned child of Yharim and Draedon /j

[long bloom]

true

[wanton pendant]

Also I saw this video about a character called Nameless Deity, who do you think they are?

[icy veldt]

Yharim is lurking in this very chat. Yharimongus

[long bloom]

i think they're the light god yharim was talking about

uhh

xeroc i think

[wanton pendant]

You're probably right!

[visual kiln]

the terrarian is up to me

[icy veldt]

Untitled.txt

[wanton pendant]

Also, what's up with Calamitas, why are they such a girlfailure?

[icy veldt]

She used to be a giant eyeball. You'd be freaked out too!

[long bloom]

i thought she was evil

[wanton pendant]

They turn into a town npc when you beat her, so maybe she's just a coward.

[light linden]

bit of a random thought

did visitors to Chrysadia have similar issues to visitors to La Paz irl?

[lucid niche]

What if the Terrarian was betrayed and trapped in the Aerie for a thousand years?

[wanton pendant]

I don't know enough about Bolivia to answer that.

[light linden]

basically

[faint totem]

My Terrarians are human subraces that have wings they use magic to change the looks and strength of

[light linden]

a lot of people who visit that city have problems with breathing at such a high altitude

to the point where oxygen tanks are usually set up in hotels

[strange stump]

hi!

[faint totem]

Also perm upgrades lead to body horror

[visual kiln]

hello !

how have u been

[wanton pendant]

Have they considered not being a little baby and just breathing harder?

[icy veldt]

Permanent upgrade item that makes your respiratory and circulatory systems able to process nitrogen like it's oxygen

[faint totem]

This was my headcanon for the Rage and Adren mechanics

[wanton pendant]

Rage is when the Terrarian is angry, and Adrenaline is when they have extra energy due to the excitement of battle.

[faint totem]

And this was for the cal perm upgrades

[faint totem]

They’re headcanons for a reason

[wanton pendant]

Fruit makes you healthy. Thus more health.

[faint totem]

I based them on the messages you get for trying to eat more

[faint totem]

That’s bull and you know it

[wanton pendant]

Life Crystals are actually vitamin supplements.

[split mortar]

what about demon heart and celestial onion i like these

[faint totem]

I’m not fully sure about the onion, but i remember that the demon heart both changes the color of your heart to match it and gives you barely perceptible horns

I think

[pliant ruin]

they have a mechanical arm and theyre a subject in a experiment of sorts

[split mortar]

[wanton pendant]

Close enough welcome back Calamitas' secret third brother theory.

[pliant ruin]

anyways how are we doing lore chat

[wanton pendant]

I just defeated Francia and took Paris.

Half of Europe are a bit upset at this.

[brazen swallow]

the celestial onion is just a normal onion
they're actually just that good

[brazen swallow]

this is pretty interesting

[pliant ruin]

yeah its pretty cool

[faint totem]

I found the doc!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yK6njoFzyObB6mvt0lzUKubBeW0uOSWQkiSxPTnnzYg/edit?usp=sharing

This covers the vanilla perm powerups and lore behind my version of The Terrarian

[visual kiln]

we're alive

[icy veldt]

Does Calamity have its own version of France?

[split mortar]

lea is french so has to

[faint totem]

@split mortar okay so i was wrong about the heart color thing, but i got the horns part right

[brazen swallow]

ohhhhh lore

[split mortar]

oh ok

[faint totem]

Well, headcanon lore

[wanton pendant]

They are now being invaded by three other countries.

[split mortar]

will read after im done with making a character document for a rp im in

[icy veldt]

Are any of those countries Azafure or Ilmeris?

[faint totem]

Kk

[wanton pendant]

No, but the closest country to Azafure is me.

[icy veldt]

You're playing as the Demons of Hell?

[wanton pendant]

That's probably what they call me.

[long bloom]

you ain't memes

[light linden]

y'know

kinda curious if there were any factions that the yharmy faced who basically stole arsenal tech

[pliant ruin]

i can see it

would be a cool concept for a faction

[visual kiln]

wulfrum

[light linden]

wonder how much even one piece of the stuff the godseeker knights used would go for

[visual kiln]

?

[pliant ruin]

Not really

Wulfrum is its own thing

Separate technology from what the yharmy uses

I think what thunder mean is more so people who would steal the arsenal tech that they use and repurpose it for themselves

[light linden]

hell now I'm curious if there was a group akin to cyberpunk netrunners

since if they could even slightly mess with the yharmies weapons or armor it'd be one hell of an advantage

[visual kiln]

ah valid

that would be rlly cool yeah

[light linden]

then again I imagine this would depend on how common tech even somewhat close to draedon's is

[wanton pendant]

French Faction.

[wanton pendant]

There was the Cyborg, likely made in the later years, so advanced stuff does exist outside of Dreadon.

[pliant ruin]

It'd be funny if some groups used the technology but had a hard time actually studying how to repair it or replicate it due to how advanced it was

[light linden]

imagine just zip bombing an entire army

[brazen swallow]

the world of calamity looks like it's leaning to fantasy, and draedon pushes sci-fi in

firearms are mentioned in the azafure lore tho so I'm not sure how deep into fantasy it is

[split mortar]

before draedon happened the world was like starting to industrial revolution iirc

[brazen swallow]

that makes sense

[pliant ruin]

the calamity world is awesome because its 100% plausible for one place to be a medieval town with castles and shit where the closest thing to a "hospital" is a inn or church where they practice healing magic

and then another is just like your average urban metropole with actual hospitals that use medical technology and medicine and shit

[split mortar]

draedon fucked up the tech balance heavily

[brazen swallow]

I think I imagine it like this too
I really want the lore to expand on this more grounded stuff outside of the big characters

[visual kiln]

i love this

its so silly

[pliant ruin]

worldbuilding !!!

[pliant ruin]

its awesome y eah :3

[icy veldt]

Except that healing magic works, because y'know fantasy

[pliant ruin]

hi azy

[brazen swallow]

the magic and tech nations were in peace until draedon invaded with laser rifles

[brazen swallow]

hell yeah

[split mortar]

draedon what the fuck why have you unlocked nuclear fusion energy we are in the 1800s

[visual kiln]

Worldbuilding is awesome

[brazen swallow]

he's using cheats to unlock tech tiers

like in paradox games when you use console commands

[visual kiln]

@supple storm they said ur favourite word

[split mortar]

draedon abuses glitches like infinite energy exploits

[supple storm]

sa

ed];pfrwsb\ti]{p;grws[hentry

[icy veldt]

@wanton pendant You might take interest in this

[supple storm]

pdx mention

[brazen swallow]

lmao

[brazen swallow]

so true

[visual kiln]

hii

[supple storm]

i love worldbuilding: I say as they drag me into the mental asylum

[visual kiln]

lmao

[brazen swallow]

I'm trying to piece together a dnd campaign set in the calamity universe (an AU specifically, for gameplay reasons) and I realized early on that most of the lore is just for in-game stuff

me when I make up how azafurians lived

[supple storm]

real

[wanton pendant]

You think I need to cheat to win?

[brazen swallow]

waterwraith is simply faster

[wanton pendant]

Please devs tell us their economic and trade policies!

[brazen swallow]

I wonder what the azafurians traded with the lihzards (assuming the later are canon)

wait nvm they are

golem was built by them

[visual kiln]

worldbuilds u

[pliant ruin]

everything is canon unless it's donor content or crossover content
or pumpkin and christmas moons i guess

[wanton pendant]

Chrysadia got nuked nearly a millenia ago and we know that they did trading with Azafure! We know Azafure had trade policies! They can't keep getting away with this!

[brazen swallow]

we could theorize that the lihzards got metals from azafure and in exchange they sent food

[visual kiln]

Or solar eclipse enemies

[brazen swallow]

oh yeah

[visual kiln]

Specifically the enemies

[pliant ruin]

Tbf those are kinda crossover content

Mostly

Except like reapers

those arent

theyre just. evil shadow reaper creature

[visual kiln]

And snow legion

[wanton pendant]

If I bought those D&D books, I could figure out how hard it would be to make Calamity D&D. Probably not easy.

[brazen swallow]

they got nuked because they were a democracy, trust
fovos knew that they had to take out the helldivers 2 fans before they could react

[supple storm]

snowlegion not canon? 😭

sobbing rn

[brazen swallow]

(I say this as I get caught by the calamity police and dragged to the mental hospital)

[wanton pendant]

Democracy, in my fantasy setting? Democracy wasn't invented until 1922!

[brazen swallow]

I found the dungeonmaster, player and monster manuals in the internet archive site for free

[visual kiln]

actually im unsure

[brazen swallow]

real

[visual kiln]

are they canon

no idea

[icy veldt]

Blows up Chrysadia and pisses off Yharim by killing a bunch of dragons... based Moon Lord?

[supple storm]

i dont see why they cant be, tbf they are just an army of sentient snowmen.

[brazen swallow]

that's also why they removed chrysadia, because their political system didn't fit the setting

[brazen swallow]

LMAO

[visual kiln]

Yea true

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but the books on sale have a guy with a squid face and guides on how to make dungeon drinks and food, so....

[icy veldt]

Democracies can exist in fantasy settings, like a version of the Roman Republic with magic

[brazen swallow]

they would be nuked by fovos tho

but yeah something like that could happen

[wanton pendant]

Fovos is fascist confirmed?

[brazen swallow]

i mean anything could happen, it's made up wrolds after all

[icy veldt]

Fovos is fantasy Brennus

[brazen swallow]

we can worldbuild anything

[brazen swallow]

oh well

wait

moonlord mentioned in dnd??????????????????

I am going insane

[visual kiln]

Moon lord is gay

[supple storm]

Gayvos

[visual kiln]

yse

[brazen swallow]

moonlord comes in saying
"guys... I have something to confess"
"the real reason I'm here is to invade"
the dragons are in shock as they had pulled out the "gay is okay" banner and several pride flags

[cloud ibex]

god forbid a man has hobbies

[brazen swallow]

terrarian hates fun smh

or the dragons

[visual kiln]

This implies the dragons r homophobic

[wanton pendant]

They also have books on mythology and folklore. I hope they have a guide on how to make Dragon Beer.

[brazen swallow]

the horrors

[wanton pendant]

It implies the opposite.

The gods, however...

[brazen swallow]

jokes aside we have little lore about how dragon society was like
devs please please please

[wanton pendant]

I want to know all the details!

What was Ilmeris' laws!?

Were the dragons a theocratic monarchy?!

[visual kiln]

My fun little headcanon is that since yharon, life, and death were the first dragons to like become auric

[brazen swallow]

it would be funny if the dragons were like the greek gods, always fighting each other

[wanton pendant]

I remember hearing that.

[visual kiln]

they ended up forming a triumvirate that got replaced by zeratros later on

[brazen swallow]

zeratros would be responsible for a significant portion of the draconic subspecies

[split mortar]

aint it like the opposite

[brazen swallow]

become auric?

[wanton pendant]

Dragons wouldn't kill eachother, that's a bad thing. It goes against the draconic concept of 'Lahney' which means to live.

[brazen swallow]

or maybe the human gods fought each other every day and the dragons were just there

no idea but it'd be funny if the dragons had fought too

[wanton pendant]

'Just there' is a strange way to phrase being hunted to extinction.

[brazen swallow]

just there as in peak of the draconic era

before fovos

[wanton pendant]

So was Fovos the cringe of the draconic era?

[visual kiln]

Iirc the auric dragons ascended with shards of the world soul

[split mortar]

^

[brazen swallow]

ohhhh interesting

I didn't know that

[strange stump]

good

[visual kiln]

yay

[split mortar]

its only mentioned somewhat in the yharon bestiary

[wanton pendant]

It goes against Lahney, as I said.

[brazen swallow]

yeah the auric triumvirate would be an interesting dynamic

[frosty charm]

thought this was beerus not brennus

[brazen swallow]

zeratros being literally just strong and the other pretty important but now auric dragons

[wanton pendant]

Beerus... did he have a car?

[brazen swallow]

the 6 terrarian beers

[frosty charm]

whis, driving is so booring. fetch me a beer!

[split mortar]

yeah auric dragons barely ever fought and prob saw themself and the others as too sacred to just casually do that idk

[frosty charm]

what abt the offshoots

[wanton pendant]

Not auric.

[frosty charm]

im curious about them like how intelligent are they

[wanton pendant]

Just big reptiles.

[frosty charm]

yeah ik

[wanton pendant]

Old Duke might be a bit smart?

[split mortar]

they can go do whatever fuck
likely varies a fuck ton

[robust osprey]

we know od is fairly smart

but folly is STUPID

[split mortar]

jared and old duke are fully sapient afaik
and wyrms in general may be
but others can also be just animal

[wanton pendant]

Mean.

[brazen swallow]

old duke is aged by the sheer weight of knowledge

dragonfolly has like 2 active neurons

[split mortar]

i dont remember wherewyverns fall on this list

[brazen swallow]

and those two neurons are always angry

[wanton pendant]

Terraria lore: SQUEEE OMG THE MOON LORD IS SO CUTE and I HATE that annoying popular Golem!!!
Calamity lore: Ok Calamitas now hit the second god.

[brazen swallow]

aw hell nah they hit the brimstone crags

[pliant ruin]

snow legion isn't noncanon

There's just no real relevant lore about it

[wanton pendant]

Santa is canon because Jesus is canon.

[pliant ruin]

some funny evil wizard decided hmmmm what if i made a mafia of snowmen to kill people with mhm yup

thats their lore

i made it up just now

[long bloom]

permafrost

[split mortar]

snow legion, torch god and bloodmoon s i all headcanon as just fucky things that just happen sometimes

[brazen swallow]

the permafrost mafia

[pliant ruin]

Depends but yeah definitely sometimes

Consider that Dragons had a actual hierarchy and organized civilization

Meanwhile Gods

Were kinda just each doing their own thing

[brazen swallow]

true

in that case the dragons probably just got along decently

[icy veldt]

He hates the gods because he got imprisoned for tax evasion back when he was the snowman mafia kingpin

[brazen swallow]

specially because of their role as protectors

the gods in the other hand, nah

[pliant ruin]

Some Dragons definitely didn't (john flame) but for the most part

[icy veldt]

The Dragon of Flame was a protector?

[brazen swallow]

real

this is hidden lore the devs don't want the community to know

[pliant ruin]

gods could get along or not, because it was no different from just, a person not getting along with another or not

as they were all not united with eachother under a common goal or law like the dragons were

[brazen swallow]

I mean the auric dragons at least

[faint totem]

Snow legion is just this world’s mafia is my headcanon. Instead of Italians it’s snowmen

[pliant ruin]

Dragon of Flame was an auric dragon

[brazen swallow]

LMAO

[pliant ruin]

But he was an asshole and a evil ass motherfucker

Got exhiled from the rest of em

[icy veldt]

He got exiled? Huh

[split mortar]

flames was a prick and got eat by the god that is a prick

[brazen swallow]

wait for real?

[pliant ruin]

Pretty sure

I mean

[brazen swallow]

I mean we do know that providence is even crazier

[faint totem]

They are

[pliant ruin]

Looking back i dunno if any direct statements were made about flame dragon being exhiled but i swear there were

Either way i doubt theyd just

[visual kiln]

desperately want to know more about their society

[pliant ruin]

let a evil ass motherfucker like that just Hang Out

The dragons were clearly unified under Zeratros to protect the world and flame dragon would probably be doing

not that

[brazen swallow]

if the calamity world looked like ours, italy would be a patch of ice

[visual kiln]

I wonder how dragon society like

Appeared

[icy veldt]

Meh, I still don't buy that the dragons were "benevolent protectors", since that's just what Yharon claimed because he saw Yharim as an opportunity for vengeance. I think they were just amoral despots at best, and whatever exile they may have imposed on the Flame Dragon was just to preserve their own power

[wanton pendant]

Actually...

[visual kiln]

Like surely they wouldnt need a society yeah?

[pliant ruin]

I disagree with the idea dragons are amoral despots

I think that would

fundamentally go against the message of calamity

[faint totem]

Exactly

[brazen swallow]

I think the dragons were either neutral or good

[icy veldt]

I thought that message was "don't cling to the past, look forward to the future"

[pliant ruin]

I don't think the dragons as a whole are anything

Do not define someone's moral by what they are, but by what they do

[visual kiln]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

Some dragons good

[brazen swallow]

calamity's message is kinda all over the place but a common theme is that revenge is bad

[pliant ruin]

Some dragons bad

[visual kiln]

Generalizations r bad actually

[pliant ruin]

just like how Some gods bad

Some gods good

[wanton pendant]

Actions and choices are important, that kind of thing.

[pliant ruin]

^

[brazen swallow]

true

[icy veldt]

Well we're also saying that the dragons were largely united, aren't we?

[split mortar]

i dont judge cheeses morality based on where she is
base em on an individual basis

[visual kiln]

Actions and choices matter more than what u are

[wanton pendant]

Good people can do bad things, bad people can do good things.

[pliant ruin]

If the dragons were just. tyrants/evil

[split mortar]

yes and zeratros could go drop kick a dragon himself

[pliant ruin]

Then the message of calamity becomes way worse tbh

[icy veldt]

I'm not saying that they were evil, just that they weren't benevolent protectors like Yharon claimed

[wanton pendant]

And Yharim would have one hell of an identity crisis.

[icy veldt]

He deserves one tbh

[wanton pendant]

I mean, they fought Moon Lord, so they did at least a little protecting.

[pliant ruin]

I don't think dragon society at large was

100% benevolent

But i do think that they did in fact hold the idea of protecting the world to some degree

[wanton pendant]

I think it varies, some Dragons abused their power, others were more benevolent.

[pliant ruin]

^

This is veering into headcanon territory

[brazen swallow]

maybe the dragon society couldn't really be generalized and there were many groups within dragonkind

[pliant ruin]

But hgenerally i like to think of Zeratros as like
Lawful Neutral, really

He does, in fact, hold the goal of protecting the world over the rest of dragonkind

[wanton pendant]

Yharon may have been one of the more benevolent ones, further showing how deeply he was hurt by his species being slain that he would participate in genocide. But that's just a theory..

[brazen swallow]

true
he had to be as a leader at least

[pliant ruin]

Not really you can have a benevolent leader

But anywayas

[brazen swallow]

a calamitheory

[wanton pendant]

Something something one bad day.

Something something Terrarian is Batman.

[brazen swallow]

I imagined his leader role as more of a middle ground to solve conflicts

[brazen swallow]

yharon is batman and draconic society is his parents

trust

[icy veldt]

I'm going to piss on the Dragons' Aerie 😎

[wanton pendant]

Like, I feel Dragon of Gluttony probably demanded tribute for protection.

[faint totem]

Bro what

[wanton pendant]

Yharon did things to his wife.

[brazen swallow]

jokes on you, they had to add bathrooms because yharim is there

[pliant ruin]

I like to think Zeratros's goal was primarily the protecting of the world at large, and for that, he would be willing to let go of some Dragons abusing their power and doing immoral things to an extent if it wasn't far too severe and if they were still contributing to their duty at large
And that isn't necessarily morally a Good Thing to let slide but it does mean that dude would still in fact be protecting the world and value it

[wanton pendant]

Auric Tesla Toilet.

[pliant ruin]

This is just a headcanon though

[brazen swallow]

exactly

[pliant ruin]

it's based on the Vibes ™

[visual kiln]

Yea this makes sense

[brazen swallow]

this makes sense I think

[wanton pendant]

I just realized only one of you is Red Miku, and the other is Yellow Frisk.

[visual kiln]

Gotta wonder then

[brazen swallow]

LMAO

[visual kiln]

Why does zeratros care about protecting the world?

[wanton pendant]

He lives there.

[icy veldt]

It's his property

[visual kiln]

What convinced him that not only does the world need protecting

[icy veldt]

And the people who live on it are basically his cattle

[brazen swallow]

gaster told him to

[wanton pendant]

Then the property value goes down.

[visual kiln]

But also all dragons need to be united in its defense

[wanton pendant]

Space Americans.

[brazen swallow]

this makes the universe so much darker

[wanton pendant]

Yet darker...

[pliant ruin]

Don't think

Zeratros would be taht insidious

:p

[wanton pendant]

What do Azafurians taste like? Based on BFG, probably like something blue flavoured.

[pliant ruin]

Keep in mind Vetrasyl worked under him too

And Vetrasyl was like

Just straight up a good guy

Doubt he'd work under Zeratros if dude was a insidious asshole

[wanton pendant]

Blueberries!

[icy veldt]

IMO it makes the Draconic Era darker, and the Deific Era brighter

[wanton pendant]

Gods had slaves, and I bet the God of Cannibalism can't have been a great guy.

[icy veldt]

Some gods had slaves

[wanton pendant]

(Source: I made him up.)

[brazen swallow]

one thing I really want for this lore is to keep zeratros' death a mystery
it adds to the lore that people could reflect and theorize on if it was zeratros just getting killed or him sacrificing himself and having unwanted consequences because of human greed

[brazen swallow]

I see

[visual kiln]

Tbh there being an outside threat to terraria that needed coordinated responses to deal with it would adequately explain why exactly dragons organized into a society in the first place

[pliant ruin]

Yeah def

[brazen swallow]

I like how everyone has different takes on the lore

[wanton pendant]

Also, some gods were gonna make a world worse than the one Yharim made.

[visual kiln]

Bc rn they seem to fall under the minecraft civilization video trap

[brazen swallow]

lmao wha

[wanton pendant]

They all speak Parkour?

[visual kiln]

Minecraft civilizations never arise naturally bc no one actually needs anyone else to survive

Everyone can go it alone and be just fine

[brazen swallow]

oh that

yeah true

[visual kiln]

It takes outside influence to make them organize into such

[wanton pendant]

But then they get killed by their overlords.

[visual kiln]

I.e. in places like 2b2t

Ppl band together for large projects 1 person cannot complete alone or for protection from other players

[wanton pendant]

Calamity is the oldest anarchy server in Terraria.

[brazen swallow]

2b2t is real in calamity, trust

[icy veldt]

"The optimist believes that this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears that may be true." - An old saying

[brazen swallow]

oh yeah

[icy veldt]

If the world Yharim left behind was the best possibility, then the Calamity universe is already as dark as it can be

[visual kiln]

So dragons are a lot like minecraft players in that they dont need each other at all

They can all go it alone

[wanton pendant]

They were gonna make Auric Hitler a god, that can't have ended well.

[faint totem]

What

[visual kiln]

Bc of that

I find it rlly interesting that they are in fact organized into a society

Bc from the looks of things rn there rlly shouldnt be any reasons they would

[wanton pendant]

I feel like dragons may have been organised as a society even before the Auric Dragons emerged.

[visual kiln]

At best thered be multiple splintered groups of dragons 2b2t style

[faint totem]

This isn’t even the weirdest convo in this channel i dropped into the middle of

[brazen swallow]

human providence killing the flame dragon is like a hardcore player getting killed by an unlucky baby zombie encounter

[wanton pendant]

Why, what's wrong?

[brazen swallow]

it's fun to think about this stuff

[faint totem]

Idk, just seeing random shit

[visual kiln]

This could certainly be an explanation!

[frosty charm]

i mean it's clear that not all dragons are super moral (cough yharon)

[visual kiln]

Another explanation is that yeah they banded together for protection from. Something

[wanton pendant]

Yharon is a victim of circumstance.

[brazen swallow]

I wonder if fovos was known for a long time or he was a surprise

[frosty charm]

like yeah there's a point where the genocide of your species is only so much of a valid cope until you begin slaughtering women and children

[visual kiln]

Which would explain why they are so adamant about being the guardians of terraria

[wanton pendant]

Being the only dragon alive, you'd be a bit upset if you woke up and all your friends are dead.

[brazen swallow]

because if the dragons knew about fovos maybe they banded together because of him and then later on fovos actually attacked

[visual kiln]

And also why seemingly most of the dragons are united

[wanton pendant]

Then when your BFF says let's kill the women and children...

[split mortar]

Ive seen much weirdee

[brazen swallow]

and knowing you couldn't do anything about it (yharon was wounded)

[wanton pendant]

Oh, and the one you blame is another one of your friends.

[icy veldt]

"Awesome! I love watching innocents die!" - Yharon, a benevolent protector

[wanton pendant]

Hey, he probably saw them as potential enemies, since they were in line with those that hunted his race to extinction.

What if that orphan decides they want to be a god next!

[brazen swallow]

I think yharim manipulated those around him with the "necessary evil" part of his revenge plan

[faint totem]

Probably

[icy veldt]

I think Yharon and Yharim fed into each other's petulant spite

[brazen swallow]

they are developing auric weapons of godly destruction, trust

[wanton pendant]

Very likely.

[brazen swallow]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

They have a god under their floorboards!

[split mortar]

Not even a probably i have seen multiple yharim vs jesus debates

[frosty charm]

i mean both are victims of each other but that excuse only goes so far until you're iredeemably evil

[wanton pendant]

Jesus wins, because he can ressurect.

[faint totem]

Jesus kinda mid ngl

[wanton pendant]

Someone doesn't know how high Jesus scales.

[frosty charm]

wasnt he low diffed by 3 regular romans...

[brazen swallow]

jesus forgives yharim
how would yharim respond? would he be devastated like the kratos vs jesus video or would yharim still be blind by revenge?

[wanton pendant]

He let them do that. And he got better.

[split mortar]

Yharim has age to worry about

[brazen swallow]

he wanted to prove a point by pulling out the totem of undying

[faint totem]

He needs the help of his dad to do anything

[wanton pendant]

Someone doesn't know about the Trinity.

This is basic lore.

[icy veldt]

Yharim's not going to repent. The only regrets he has are (1) not being more evil and (2) not being more effective at doing evil shit

[split mortar]

I dont think yharim would really care a god worshipper is forgiving him
-# idk if the jesus forgive has special effects i havent read bible

[faint totem]

If it wasn’t Jesus would get clapped

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[frosty charm]

pretty sure he does regret treating calamitas the way he did byeah

[wanton pendant]

'Oh, if he wasn't the son of God he'd be a normal guy!' What kind of argument is that!?

[frosty charm]

he's not really the type to accept divine forgiveness

[wanton pendant]

And recruiting DoG, abandoning his allies, probably a little conflicted about Draedon.

[brazen swallow]

me neither but jesus forgiving determined characters is funny to me
it's such a power move to just say "nah you're ight" to the guy trying to hurt you
like the kratos video at least

[icy veldt]

He regrets that she left him. His words are crafted to deceive, first himself, and then the Terrarian

[frosty charm]

a lot conflicted about draedon since the bee enslavement 9000-o tron

[wanton pendant]

Also Clone.

[faint totem]

Idk, powerscaling is for losers anyway

[brazen swallow]

slave-bee-inator

[frosty charm]

powerscaling? no i just have agendas to push

[long bloom]

he specifically asks you to be nice to her

[faint totem]

Plus it’s filled with bias

[wanton pendant]

"But, to think it was housing a clone of the Witch… Detestable."

[brazen swallow]

like me with the warding shackles agenda

[icy veldt]

He doesn't truly regret recruiting DoG. It was useful to him, of course. He uses DoG as a scapegoat for his evil, when really it was his own choices

[wanton pendant]

No, he really doesn't like DoG, no matter how useful he was in both aspects.

[icy veldt]

Yharim is manipulative. It should not be surprising that he says things that are manipulative

[brazen swallow]

I think yharim acknowledges that recruiting DoG was a bad idea but he is too close minded to regret it

[icy veldt]

He has convinced himself that DoG was what made him even more evil over time

[brazen swallow]

he's like a little kid angry and not wanting to accept that he's incorrect

[long bloom]

not literally everything he says is to manipulate you
he gets to be genuine sometimes

[wanton pendant]

"It was then my negligence was born. My descent began the moment recruiting this scoundrel crossed my mind." -Statement of the genocide man.

[icy veldt]

I will not trust anything Yharim says

He's either tricking the Terrarian intentionally, or accidentally, after tricking himself

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is so full of himself he doesn't lie, just says what he thinks is true. If he can't explain something, he shuts up or he gets it wrong.

[long bloom]

weirdly extreme but ok

[brazen swallow]

pushing blame away from him adds to how bad it got
I mean DoG still has part of the blame but yharim didn't need to listen to him

[split mortar]

At most dog prob was just like
Agreeing with yharim like “yeah put more money to the crusade the dungeon should be fiiine”
Past mod ight brain liquiod

[frosty charm]

i think he is being genuine about everything. he's not that much of a liar he's just insane

[wanton pendant]

Yes Man DoG is real!

He only lies by omission.

[split mortar]

Yharim believes the lies he says

[brazen swallow]

triple the crusade budget

[wanton pendant]

Or by being just plain wrong.

[icy veldt]

Yeah pretty much. The first person convinced by his lies is himself

[frosty charm]

yeah like he's not trying to decieve you he believes he's telling the truth

[brazen swallow]

exactly

[cloud ibex]

i think you're reading too much into it

[long bloom]

he's doing both

[wanton pendant]

So he somewhat regrets grooming that teenager, DoG made him do it trust.

[cloud ibex]

him being genuine about some things is more interesting than literally nothing he has ever said being true

[long bloom]

^

[icy veldt]

Yharim being genuine is the result of him tricking himself

[brazen swallow]

I wonder how some lore explained by xeroc would be like
what he'd say to the terrarian about the big events

[wanton pendant]

He's manipulating you into believing his idealogy. He believes in his own idealogy.

[wanton pendant]

'Bro is that SANTA!?'

[brazen swallow]

devourer of gods lore

[cloud ibex]

he's allowed to say "i think bees are pretty neat" without it being an EVIL and WICKED attempt at DECEIT to inspire FALSE EMPATHY for him

[frosty charm]

dog would be the typa dude to post this shit

[brazen swallow]

yeah

[brazen swallow]

LMAO

[wanton pendant]

Also, making it so that Yharim is knowingly evil the whole time kinda undermines his character.

[frosty charm]

yeahhh

[icy veldt]

Yharim doesn't think of himself as evil. No one does

[frosty charm]

like he thinks he's a hero

[brazen swallow]

I think slavery is an interesting part of yharim's internal conflict

[cloud ibex]

in the same way, he's allowed to genuinely think "maybe the child soldier thing was too far"

[frosty charm]

he doesn't have to be freiza

[brazen swallow]

he probably knows what he is doing but doesn't want to look at it or admit it because if he did he'd lose himself

[frosty charm]

actually maybe he does

[wanton pendant]

'Next time, I won't abandon my allies with the ghost amalgamation. I'd like, do something.'

[split mortar]

Considering yharim likely has trauma reated to enslavement i do think yeah he can prob see scal was a staircase or two too far

[wanton pendant]

Again, I think Calamitas was all but a slave, just enough so that Yharim doesn't get torn up about it.

[icy veldt]

I'm pretty sure that if Yharim were given a second chance to do the crusade all over again, he'd be even more destructive

[frosty charm]

well yeah

[cloud ibex]

not necessarily

[frosty charm]

he thinks the crusades were morally right

[wanton pendant]

Absolutely, but with less obvious horrific acts. (Grooming.)

[cloud ibex]

he'd be more effective

[icy veldt]

^

Exactly

[brazen swallow]

calamitas at least got permafrost
maybe yharim took that as an excuse to make it not feel like slavery to him

[icy veldt]

And thus more destructive

[wanton pendant]

He also never put her in chains.

Except mental ones.

[frosty charm]

like obviously not the "murder children" but he does wholeheartedly believe that the gods are ALL genocidal maniacs who deserve death

[split mortar]

Yharim waits till scal is an adult to weaponise her

[frosty charm]

he's not gonna just give up

[wanton pendant]

Good Timeline Yharim.

[brazen swallow]

in this timeline he doesn't ignore the ceaseless void and says "nah I'm good" to DoG

[icy veldt]

Yharim was willing to commission a Child Grinder from Draedon the first time. Given a second chance, he'd order two Child Grinders

[frosty charm]

taps her on the shoulder while she's incinerating ilmeris going "hey just to make sure you're okay with this right? i'm not forcing you to do anything dw man"

[cloud ibex]

if anything it'd be less destructive cause this time he'd know what'll end up being more trouble than it's worth and Not do that this time

still killing all gods and everyone who supports them, of course

but less other deaths

[wanton pendant]

He offers her a glass of water, so she doesn't get heat stroke.

He calls that character development.

[brazen swallow]

if it's the yharim gets better timeline, he learns about at least some mistakes and is more strategic
if it's the he doesn't learn, he builds twice as many child destroyer 3000s

[wanton pendant]

Wait if he tapped her on the shoulder he'd tase her.