lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

There's also evil2 yeah its just

[supple storm]

woa

[pliant ruin]

they're barley characters right now lmao

[vast cosmos]

Why is Providence evil

[pliant ruin]

we dunno anything about john war and john dogma

[visual kiln]

meow

[wanton pendant]

Because.

[supple storm]

nyaan

[pliant ruin]

You should probably read the lore documment or atleast give it a cursory glance

[distant smelt]

she's the actual worst

[vast cosmos]

idk what she did

[visual kiln]

read my lores

[wanton pendant]

Murder.

[distant smelt]

*genocide

[vast cosmos]

I play on multiplayer which means sometimes I dont get the things

[pliant ruin]

Providence's entire ideology is killing everything because in her eyes life itself is the source of all suffering

[vast cosmos]

the whispers

[pliant ruin]

Pinned messages

[split mortar]

We dunno but it will be added in the future probably
She is considered evil cause she believes life shouldnt exist and death os a mercy

[pliant ruin]

There's a lore documment there

[icy veldt]

Like Yharim, but her "crusade", so to speak, went on for much longer (though it was also slower)

[wanton pendant]

But I know better then the document, obviously.

[visual kiln]

p

[wanton pendant]

[supple storm]

tbf yharim was only killing gods

[split mortar]

Throwing someone

[vast cosmos]

reading is hard

[supple storm]

i think

[wanton pendant]

No he was not.

[visual kiln]

and also those who worshipped gods

[distant smelt]

I think objectively providence is probably the worst morality wise

[icy veldt]

He was massacring their worshippers en masse

[pliant ruin]

He was focused on killing gods but he needed to kill literally anyone else to kill them so be it

[supple storm]

idk man im an undertale fan i cant read

[wanton pendant]

The man who commissioned the 'Civilian Obliterator.'

[visual kiln]

and also people who were like

[split mortar]

Skeletron prime is dedicated to bombing civilians

[visual kiln]

nearby

[pliant ruin]

Providence is like objectively the most evil motherfucker in the lore yeah

Yharim is the 2nd worst but Providence is just

shes just comically evil

[distant smelt]

yharim has a kind of maybe falling short moral standpoint
provi just hates everyone

[wanton pendant]

DoG at least cares about, uh, something, maybe?

[visual kiln]

not noxus or moon lord?

[supple storm]

BLOODSHED YAYYYYY

[vast cosmos]

Does he?

[wanton pendant]

I'd presume DoG is way worse then Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

We don't know literally anything about their morals or anything

[split mortar]

We dunno their motives

[distant smelt]

noxus is on canon life support and moon lord is ultra mysterious

[pliant ruin]

Moon Lord showed up and beat the dragons up
We dunno about his motives or intentions he just showed up one day and beat things to death

[wanton pendant]

We don't know how intelligent things like Moon Lord are. We don't know anything about Noxus.

[distant smelt]

they could be worse but we have like no idea

[pliant ruin]

yeahg

[split mortar]

Moonlord had an issue with the local zoo

[fading helm]

He just wanted the smoke

[pliant ruin]

love moon lords energy honestly

shows up

beats the shit out of dragons

almost destroys life as the world knew it

gets sealed

gets unsealed years later

[supple storm]

peak aurafarming tbh

[pliant ruin]

immediately tries beating the person who unsealed them to death

no questions asked

just throws hands

[vast cosmos]

what 😭

[wanton pendant]

I'd say for evil tier list it'd be:
Providence
DoG
The evil gods that did the god-king plot
Yharim
Yharon

[fading helm]

Fovos betrayed and trapped in the moon for 1000 years?

[distant smelt]

so strong that his radahn ass corpse is the vanilla final boss

[icy veldt]

Yharim hates most people: everyone who worshipped gods. That's way worse than "kinda maybe falling short"

[pliant ruin]

Not really betrayed

[visual kiln]

the moon lord grindset

[distant smelt]

this is the point yes

[fading helm]

God king what?

[split mortar]

Cheese basically listed all we know of ml

[pliant ruin]

Nobody was his ally to begin with bro just showed up and wanted to kill everyone

[wanton pendant]

You know, Yharim's initial motive?

[fading helm]

Just a reference to the betrayed goku trope

[vast cosmos]

Incredible

[visual kiln]

also can we normalize not calling moon lord fovos btw it kinda just confuses ppl sometimes

[wanton pendant]

He was going to become God-King but said no?

[pliant ruin]

Moon Lord singlehandedly is the catalyst for like everything

[pliant ruin]

Thankfully this chat has been doing that less

[fading helm]

Yeah but like what they did isnt worse than stuff yharon and co did

[supple storm]

honestly real

[visual kiln]

thank god

[split mortar]

No i will call fovos fovos

[distant smelt]

fuck that guy

[visual kiln]

eats u

[wanton pendant]

It would have if they succeeded.

[distant smelt]

perish

[vast cosmos]

Whos Fovos (is it just moon lord)

[visual kiln]

blocked

[icy veldt]

I'd just stick with "Moon Lord (or Fovos)" or "Moon Lord (also known as Fovos)"

[split mortar]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

Fovos is just an alternative name for Moon Lord

[supple storm]

ye

[vast cosmos]

Damn

[cosmic zenith]

That name....

https://tenor.com/view/alexuyutov-angry-birds-movie-gif-7707167142331247749

[visual kiln]

yes

[wanton pendant]

If the God-King plot had succeeded, it would likely be far worse then what Yharim ended up doing.

[visual kiln]

mhm mhm i said ur favourite word

[pliant ruin]

Moon Lord seems like a more commonly widespread name in history, while Fovos is a name that specifically was coined by the people who lived in the sky, the Chrysonai

[distant smelt]

oh that's what they're called?

[pliant ruin]

ye

i mean

Chrysadia

Chrysonai

[distant smelt]

cool i was barely aware they existed

[split mortar]

Chrysadia

[vast cosmos]

This is less related to Calamity lore but its kinda funny how weak the terrarian is when you strip them of their gear. hard carried by armor and weapons

[supple storm]

Chrysonai, almost like...
Chrysos

Chrysos heirs

HSR reference

[pliant ruin]

Chrysadia was the funny sky society that is mostly gone by now

[visual kiln]

wait true?

[wanton pendant]

So is Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

Chrysonai where just the people who lived there

[vast cosmos]

Yharim sounds like a bitch

[pliant ruin]

Not like another species or anything as far as im aware just like

A nationality pretty much ?

[distant smelt]

health upgrades

[pliant ruin]

(Stip can correct me on this if i'm wrong he's john chrysadia)

[distant smelt]

this barely helps but let me cope harder

either way even with armor you'd still have to be a monster in your own right to survive the implied transference of force

[icy veldt]

So where did the harpies originate from? Did they have a similar relation with Chrysadia that the demons of Hell had with Azafure?

[distant smelt]

i think they just exist

[cosmic zenith]

I know I am

[wanton pendant]

Actually good question. Maybe SSO bestiary changes will indicate this.

[cosmic zenith]

Yep

[vast cosmos]

I like to think that the terrarian could chop down a tree with a stick but not dig into dirt with their hands

[visual kiln]

why so btw

[vast cosmos]

theyre just really good at using items

[distant smelt]

very resourceful
horrible at names

(canon)

[fading helm]

We are goated at names draedon just salty

The destroyer

Cmon

[distant smelt]

miracle matter does fuck hard im not gonna lie

[pliant ruin]

Iirc Harpies seem to be more of a like

[distant smelt]

skeletron prime is a massive blunder though

[pliant ruin]

"Recent addition" ?

[distant smelt]

we can do better

[vast cosmos]

yharon is like yharim and dragon

[pliant ruin]

Basically they inhabit the ruins of Chrysadia after its downfall

[distant smelt]

yharon is his actual name

[vast cosmos]

John

[pliant ruin]

Unsure if there were around in the more wild parts of the sky before though

[fading helm]

Thats his name not our fault

[distant smelt]

jail

[vast cosmos]

Okay okay sorry

[wanton pendant]

'I'm John Genocide.'

[vast cosmos]

how about Jon

[wanton pendant]

Give Lasagna.

[distant smelt]

call him skelectronic

[pliant ruin]

I imagine Harpies are kind of like Chimpanzees or other apes in the sense they're definitely smart and one could argue fairly sapient but not nearly on the same level as humans as to have like complex society and stuff

[split mortar]

Throw people

[distant smelt]

guys cmon this is brilliant

[wanton pendant]

Execution.

[distant smelt]

aw man

[fading helm]

We are kicking you out of naming corp

[vast cosmos]

I have another suggestion

[distant smelt]

pensive

[wanton pendant]

We name names and corp corps.

[pliant ruin]

Demons i think are significantly smarter than Harpies though

They cast spells and shit

[vast cosmos]

Jhon

[wanton pendant]

The Pit.

[fading helm]

Jhon skeletron or john prime

[distant smelt]

someone obliterate this guy

[pliant ruin]

Plus idk based on vibes alone i just feel like Demons would have more of a complex society compared to Harpies

[vast cosmos]

Jawn

[wanton pendant]

Cease.

[distant smelt]

👁‍🗨 👁‍🗨

[pliant ruin]

okay the rot took over

goodbye

[wanton pendant]

Nooo I wanna discuss the lore and narrative!!!

[cosmic zenith]

Dragons attacking Dragons is highly unlikely and taboo, and making a Dragon willing to go that far wouldn't really add much when Dragons are already on a moral spectrum

If a Dragon ascended in the Draconic Era, that takes away from ascension being Xeroc's breakthrough
If a Dragon ascended in the Deific Era (and is still alive), it takes away from the crux of the Deific Era (it was the rise of the Gods, yes, but it was also the unavoidable downfall of the Dragons)

[supple storm]

goombas is there anything that happens during the timespan of when the terrarian does uh terrarianing stuff? .w.

[pliant ruin]

That's valid but also couldn't it theoretically have happened in the gray era?

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is doing things.

[distant smelt]

nothing except exceptionally fast

[hoary cape]

The player should obviously become an auric dragon

[supple storm]

like what :P

[fading helm]

Being a bum

[split mortar]

Exo mechs are made iirc

[wanton pendant]

Probably vigilantism or something.

[cosmic zenith]

The best option would have a Dragon that ascended in the Deific Era and died there, which would only really be another example of how set-in-stone the downfall of the Dragons was

[fading helm]

Attacking homeless people who look like yharim

[visual kiln]

iirc slime god runs away and then gets absorbed into queen slime

i think

[pliant ruin]

I understand what Stip's trying to say tho

[supple storm]

.w.
like no specifics?

[pliant ruin]

Like it just dosen't really contriubte to the narrative in any way

[wanton pendant]

It may or may not be explored.

[vast cosmos]

What's Xeroc's deal if i may ask

[pliant ruin]

Mod's unfinished, we dunno

[distant smelt]

no he digivolves into queen slime

[supple storm]

i will always be of the opinion that this is stupid :P

[pliant ruin]

Yes! It is !

We all know it is !

[split mortar]

Its just a patch for sg being before queenslime

[wanton pendant]

Here's what I think she was doing.

[pliant ruin]

^

[dusk laurel]

i hate queen slime!!!!

[pliant ruin]

It's just a bandaid fix

[split mortar]

It is dumb

[supple storm]

oh that makes sense

[hoary cape]

This is why they want to move sg

[pliant ruin]

They needed SOME explanation for why Slime God comes before Queen Slime

[fading helm]

Make slime god the weekly villain and final boss

[wanton pendant]

We don't know.

[pliant ruin]

Because Slime God existed before Queen Slime did

[hoary cape]

SG on its way to maybe swap with clone

[pliant ruin]

Thankfully though the slime god progression change that will probably happen hopefully will save us inshallah

[visual kiln]

they're swapping slime god with calclone

to avoid this issue

[supple storm]

peak

[distant smelt]

add 3 more slime god evolutions throughout the game and make it the new primary antagonist

[fading helm]

Gets moved to boss 1

[pliant ruin]

(Not guaranteed but hopefully)

[supple storm]

i love slime god

best boss

[hoary cape]

Clone in phm will be weird

[split mortar]

Not guaranteed

[wanton pendant]

Great idea. Slime King, Slime Queen, Slime Emperor, Slime Deity, Slime God, Slime Nexus.

[frosty charm]

oh yeah i need feedback on the thing im writing if anyone wants a link them dm me
its pretty long already like 11 pages

[visual kiln]

i think theres stuff planned for sso that'll happen

[supple storm]

whats sso btw? im a bit lost .w.

[visual kiln]

also exos are made during ur playthrough

[frosty charm]

still worried about being canon compliant so if you catch something that flies in the face

[visual kiln]

sunken sea overhaul :>

[frosty charm]

let me know

[pliant ruin]

hey khamul can you ban the mr breast

[wanton pendant]

Sunken Sea Overhaul.

[pliant ruin]

thanks khamul

[supple storm]

OH okay

i just never heard that acronym before

[cosmic zenith]

For these purposes, the Gray Era would be in the same basket as Deific, given the downfall of the Dragons started with Xeroc's ascension

[pliant ruin]

fair

I think i agree with you generally i was just curious

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, it's a valid question

[wanton pendant]

If you're unaware, that's the name of the next update, well it's actually Sunken Sea Overhaul Part 1.

[cosmic zenith]

And it's always nice to discuss things like this

[supple storm]

ye i know about it somewhat, i just never heard the acronym before

[distant smelt]

1.17

[hoary cape]

Goozma final tier

[wanton pendant]

So, are we like, in an age of mortals/men in present day?

[cosmic zenith]

Better than seeing people argue over what boss is the tastiest for sure

[split mortar]

True

[pliant ruin]

I'm not really sure if the current age has much of a "name"

[supple storm]

its obviously slime god

[wanton pendant]

I stand by my decisions!

[visual kiln]

i knew i wasnt the only one with this thought

[pliant ruin]

idk call it the Age of Calamity or something 🔥 ✍️

[hoary cape]

Age of Despair

[distant smelt]

its my age now

[pliant ruin]

yeah sunken sea overhaul got scope creeped to oblivion so it's being split in two updates

[split mortar]

Age of YOU

[real silo]

The age of humans frieren reference

[icy veldt]

I thought I had heard it called the Calamitous Era

[supple storm]

damn

[cosmic zenith]

The Gorthus Era

[visual kiln]

meow

[wanton pendant]

YO!

[visual kiln]

btw stip do u plan for like

[supple storm]

nyaan

[pliant ruin]

first update is most of the content including all the worldgen and prehardmode content

second part is like

hardmode stuff mostly

and gorthus .

[visual kiln]

story things to happen visually ingame

[fading helm]

Who is the most famous character in cal? As in the lore

[pliant ruin]

it also adds gorthus .

[wanton pendant]

Yharim.

[fading helm]

Would guess yharon or yharim

[cosmic zenith]

Wdym

[pliant ruin]

i mean thats like one of the main selling points of sunken sea overhaul is it not

[supple storm]

i'd argue dog

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas probably can't show her face.

[pliant ruin]

actual lore implementation

[wanton pendant]

I'd heavily disagree.

[hoary cape]

They aren't even sure if part 2 will be a separate update or if it will be mixed with other updates lol

[pliant ruin]

also yeah it's definitely Yharim

[distant smelt]

im just gonna start calling it the fading era
the last fragments of anything auric falling one by one

[fading helm]

I mesn she is still known tho

Yeah feared but still

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, and that's bad since everyone fears her.

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas, Devourer, Draedon, these dudes are all know

because they worked for Yharim

[wanton pendant]

She kinda nuked Italy.

[visual kiln]

like having events happen ingame or having characters have story arcs ingame

[fading helm]

Bad publicity is good publicity or smth

[split mortar]

Yea pretty sure

[wanton pendant]

Not when you don't want to be known as the woman who nuked Italy.

[pliant ruin]

again

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

pretty sure tahts one of the main selling points of sso

[cosmic zenith]

SSO P1 should already have that to some extent

With Amidias

[pliant ruin]

with the new illmeran ghosts, amidias quests and whatnot

[split mortar]

And dialogue trees

[visual kiln]

ilmeran ghosts?

[split mortar]

Gorthus

[supple storm]

ooooo spoooky

[split mortar]

Is one

[visual kiln]

what r ilmeran ghosts

[wanton pendant]

One of these days clone will be .

[cosmic zenith]

Gorthus dating simulator

[supple storm]

who is gorthus btw?

[visual kiln]

whats their gameplay

[pliant ruin]

ghosts of illmerans

[wanton pendant]

YOOOO!!!!

[pliant ruin]

they dont have gameplay theyre ppl

npcs

u talk to them

[dusk laurel]

i forgot azzy isnt in the know

[split mortar]

Same

[pliant ruin]

well ig that's gameplay but oyu get what i mean

[fading helm]

Btw do we have a number of how many nations/gods there were before the crusade?

[hoary cape]

I have to ban azzy now for not being in the know

Jk

[wanton pendant]

A lot.

Like, maybe thousands or something.

At least, in gods.

[supple storm]

can someone answer me .w.

[visual kiln]

i cannot be banned

[wanton pendant]

In nations, probably way more then there are now.

[visual kiln]

wehh

answer amy imo

[hoary cape]

I mean you can

[wheat walrus]

Wronh

[wanton pendant]

A dead guy.

[supple storm]

is that all? .w.

[split mortar]

A whole planet worth of nations and city states

Afaik high end like a bit below 3K gods according to one writer

[glacial rampart]

folly is literally a bird why are we overlooking this

[wanton pendant]

They're probably also a fish.

[pliant ruin]

Gorthus was a Illmeran Blacksmith and he's dead now

You get to meet him as a ghost

[supple storm]

oh cool

[visual kiln]

why r u always so vague btw

[wheat walrus]

Which boss tastes best

[split mortar]

Omni no

[wanton pendant]

Because I don't know Gorthus personally.

[split mortar]

Kills you

[hoary cape]

Sending this person to the void

[split mortar]

Blows up your country

[supple storm]

its clearly slime god smh

[visual kiln]

if u dont know something dont answer :<

[wheat walrus]

Omni yes

[pliant ruin]

this chat is not good currently

[visual kiln]

true

[dusk laurel]

why

[lucid niche]

would scal or draedon make a better grilled cheese?

[dusk laurel]

why did you post this

[split mortar]

The fog is coming

[wheat walrus]

Why not

[pliant ruin]

the fog's already here

it's always here

[hoary cape]

Fogbound????

[pliant ruin]

this chat is always The Fog

[supple storm]

is it red?

[glacial rampart]

jarvis post fogbound

[pliant ruin]

im tired boss

[split mortar]

The fog

The fog

[hoary cape]

The frog

[split mortar]

Aaaaaaaaa

[visual kiln]

mlem

pat pat pat

there there

dont worry too hard about things

[wheat walrus]

Zamn

[supple storm]

wtf. slime god in bottom

my life is bad now

sob

[wanton pendant]

Polluted.

[lucid niche]

is skeletron cannibalism if theres no flesh in there

[split mortar]

The paladins are but slime gods gel is pure

[hoary cape]

I would think crabulon would be deadly because it's literally a mushroom that hijacks your body

[wanton pendant]

I'd say eating a skull is still cannibalism.

[visual kiln]

WHY IS THERE A BOSS TASTE TIER LIST?????????

[wanton pendant]

Glowing mushrooms are edible.

[frosty charm]

nah,, id.wi

[supple storm]

lmao

[hoary cape]

It's a demon skull though

[wheat walrus]

Js bcuz

[wanton pendant]

What can I say except you're welcome.

[split mortar]

Ok but they are also like used for health potions

[visual kiln]

omni can u annihilate like half of these users instantly

thank u

[wanton pendant]

How do you know it's a demon and not a really big guy.

[dusk laurel]

i dont know anymore man

this is a land of fog

[visual kiln]

meow

[supple storm]

wait no pls spare me TWT

[hoary cape]

The lore

[wheat walrus]

Maybe tmrw

[visual kiln]

u can be spared

[hoary cape]

Yah you use alchemy to make them edible

[split mortar]

Mods kill this chat set it to 6 hour slow mode

[supple storm]

yayayay :D

[wheat walrus]

Gotta sleep now

[hoary cape]

You can't eat them normally

[lucid niche]

alchemy is basically fancy cooking

[wanton pendant]

It's explicitly stated they are eaten raw.

[glacial rampart]

are we accounting for levi and anahita

[pliant ruin]

ein take away image upload perms on this channel and onl on this channel and my life is yours

[hoary cape]

Okay and alchemy still changes then obviously

[lucid niche]

anyways i dont think duke would taste very good

EXTREMELY tough meat

[split mortar]

💔

[wanton pendant]

Anahita is probably flavourless.

[lucid niche]

like my lord

[hoary cape]

Instructions unclear revoking your right to type

[wheat walrus]

Cheese

[split mortar]

Peak

[visual kiln]

u need to become a mod again so u can start this vote

[wheat walrus]

Delete lore discussion

[hoary cape]

Next April fools we will turn this back into power scaling

[glacial rampart]

"again"???

[fading helm]

Personally a mod should make all channels lore discussion

[hoary cape]

It's the only way to save the mod

[wanton pendant]

Leviathan may also be flavourless, depends really.

[split mortar]

Cheese was a mod for a bit yeah

[wheat walrus]

[cosmic zenith]

Took long enough for the voices to overtake you people

[wanton pendant]

We are flavour scaling now.

[cosmic zenith]

Man....

[split mortar]

Sorry…

[fading helm]

Back in my days calamity was multiversal

[pliant ruin]

Yeah stip

i know

:(

[fading helm]

[wanton pendant]

Do you agree with my list?

[hoary cape]

Cheese was a great mod, but unfortunately cheese got defeated by the mod council and had to leave

[pliant ruin]

its not even funny anymore im just tired

[visual kiln]

@supple storm you

amy person

[supple storm]

wha

[lucid niche]

bugs bunny couldve defeated yharim WAY earlier

[visual kiln]

u know nothing

[split mortar]

Chat how is yharim alive in the aerie

[wheat walrus]

Dang

[split mortar]

Like

[visual kiln]

ask a random question

[split mortar]

Food invincible

[cosmic zenith]

Write Gloomborthus AU and all is forgiven

[visual kiln]

we need to be saved

[supple storm]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[wheat walrus]

I thought cheese js retired

[split mortar]

I did

[hoary cape]

Cheese did retire

[supple storm]

are there any countries in lore

[wanton pendant]

Because they're old.

[hoary cape]

I was just messing with you all XD

[wanton pendant]

There were.

[wheat walrus]

No yall killed her

[split mortar]

There was some

[visual kiln]

actually a rlly good question

[wheat walrus]

I know it

[supple storm]

any specific countries

are there names

[frosty charm]

DOES HE BEAT GOKU?!?!?!

[lucid niche]

fuck it i'll ask a random lore question, what even is the empress supposed to be? like why does she care about butterflies so much

[visual kiln]

there are probably still some countries

[lucid niche]

but only this one kind

[cosmic zenith]

Cheese was overthrown by beef

[wanton pendant]

There was Azafure and Ilmeris.

[visual kiln]

maybe goblins and pirates r countries

[supple storm]

any others

[wanton pendant]

And Yharim's Empire, but it's not named.

[visual kiln]

Chrysadia

[wheat walrus]

Would b cool

[supple storm]

wtf

[wanton pendant]

Also Chyrsadia.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah they never named it.

[frosty charm]

which was destroyed earlier ilmeris or azafure

[pliant ruin]

Yharim dosen't have much of an empire

[cosmic zenith]

Yharim's Empire is not exactly a thing

[wanton pendant]

Azafure.

By about 3 years.

[split mortar]

Azafure is a city state iirc
Chrysadia could have been a country idk
Ilmeris may count as one
Thats about it afaik

[cosmic zenith]

It's basically several countries he conquered

[frosty charm]

wasn't that an old thing, at least implied (jungle tyrant/king)

[wanton pendant]

He had a Holy Roman Empire.

[pliant ruin]

He just has control over alot of independent states thanks to military conquest or politicial influence

[wanton pendant]

Old lore.

[supple storm]

based

[fading helm]

Liberated from evil gods*

[wanton pendant]

But Amidias mentions him having an empire.

[visual kiln]

ilmeris is a bunch of tribes united

[cosmic zenith]

Azafure is a city-state, Chrysadia is a nation, Ilmeris is a kingdom

[pliant ruin]

Azafure, Chrysadia and Illmeris are all named nations we know of in the story

Not necessarily countries

[visual kiln]

united tribes of ilmeris

underwater britain

[fading helm]

Actually how big is the countries in calamity

[wanton pendant]

Yharim basically was running a HRE.

[lucid niche]

how big is the world in calamity

[pliant ruin]

Illmeris used to be various independent warring nations/tribes

[wanton pendant]

Azafure was a large city, Ilmeris was probably a bit smaller then Italy.

[pliant ruin]

But they were all unified under Otonilou

[wheat walrus]

Instantly assume Chrysadia was the heights of human prosperity

[frosty charm]

why i said old thing

[fading helm]

So probably not anything russia sized no

[wanton pendant]

Planet sized.

[dusk laurel]

big enough for 5 continents at least

[pliant ruin]

Who basically brought peace and prosperity to the sunken sea

[wanton pendant]

If there was, it's gone.

[pliant ruin]

I imagine it's basically just. earth

[pliant ruin]

Not sure if i'd say that

[lucid niche]

is vanilla ocean background non canon then

[pliant ruin]

It's not like Yharim like. destroyed the world

[wheat walrus]

Earth but cooler

[split mortar]

Only half

[pliant ruin]

He certainly killed alot of people and plenty of nations would be thrown in dissaray by it

[visual kiln]

is this how eternavale felt watching me chat in lore discussion back in 2023

[pliant ruin]

But its also not like society still dosent exist at large

[wheat walrus]

Mayb

[supple storm]

idk

[cosmic zenith]

Depends on what you call prosperity
It wasn't the peak of civilization, but it enjoyed a long period of prosperous stability

[wanton pendant]

Also, Sweden.

[wheat walrus]

Coolio

[supple storm]

what exactly is Chrysadia btw?

[wanton pendant]

Sky people.

[split mortar]

Sky civilisation

[visual kiln]

u know sky islands

[pliant ruin]

A civilization that used to exist in the sky above the Hearthlands (The place you play the game in)

[visual kiln]

in terraria

[supple storm]

anything specific?

[visual kiln]

u know how they have houses

[pliant ruin]

It's long gone by now

[wanton pendant]

What's a Terraria?

[split mortar]

Mainly cause of fovos i imagine

[pliant ruin]

Probably yeah

[visual kiln]

basically

uh

[pliant ruin]

All of the three big civilizations we know of that existed in the Hearthlands (Continent the game takes place in) have long since been gone

All of them were moreo r less destroyed

[wheat walrus]

Anyways i go to sleep now and im taking all your luck for my visit tmrw, sorry if you stubbed your toe or smth in the next minutes or hours

[pliant ruin]

albeit under different circumstances

[visual kiln]

dragon of storms lifted up a bunch of islands into the sky and then ppl settled those islands

[fading helm]

Is there any info on the other continents

[wanton pendant]

None to my knowledge.

[pliant ruin]

A little bit basedo n some stuff devs have said but nothing ingame

Just little bits of trivia

[supple storm]

is there like any specifics about what Chrysadia was like during its prime? details like culture, cities, or anything like that (pls my worldbuildingbrained is going to die atp)

[pliant ruin]

Iirc there's a big like continent with a ton of volcanic activity

[visual kiln]

@cosmic zenith 🥺

[split mortar]

Oneis damn near inhispitable iirc
But yeah like nothing major

[pliant ruin]

The mod is unfinished we don't have too many specifics like that

[wanton pendant]

Australia.

[supple storm]

dies

[visual kiln]

stip shes starving

[pliant ruin]

Your best bet is just Stip saying stuff because yeah hes the one working on it mainly

[fading helm]

Are there any gods there?

[wheat walrus]

2028

[fading helm]

Or is that unknown

[pliant ruin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Unknown yeah

The one thing i can say is that yeah Chrysadia iirc will have a sort of greek aesthethic to it

[wanton pendant]

Probably where most of the gods would hide, furthest away from Yharim's wrath.

[glacial rampart]

p sure the idea is that the princess npc is from another continent

[wanton pendant]

So at least a couple.

[supple storm]

something yes!!!

[pliant ruin]

Vetrasyl (The dragon of storms) was a sort of guardian/protector to it

[wanton pendant]

She's colonizing us.

[supple storm]

bri*ish

[visual kiln]

btw how much do u know about space lore in calamity

[wanton pendant]

I know, how horrible.

[supple storm]

not much

[pliant ruin]

there's barely any space lore in calamity tbf lol

[split mortar]

Im british

[wanton pendant]

I'm so sorry.

[cosmic zenith]

Speaking of which I really need to redo the Clouded Acropolis

[split mortar]

Stars get moldy

[pliant ruin]

We kind of just know about Deus and the concept of mana stars

• astral infection

[fading helm]

I mean there is fovos home and astrum deus species

[wanton pendant]

The Sun is not a star.

[cosmic zenith]

[icy veldt]

Can you make blue cheese out of the Astral Infection?

[visual kiln]

stip the user has questions

[supple storm]

may i have some spare lore in these trying times

[visual kiln]

meow

[wanton pendant]

Writes that down.

[split mortar]

Stip let us eat metal

[fading helm]

The lore is gatekept by the evil gods (devs)

[supple storm]

😭

[wanton pendant]

We need to crusade!

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/alastor-hazbin-hotel-radio-demon-happy-kicking-feet-gif-14719694326586046224

[wanton pendant]

Is that Goku?

[dusk laurel]

the planet

[cosmic zenith]

Something like that

[pliant ruin]

Astrum Dei are a species of "Animal" that lives in space.
Stars are basically condensed balls of mana. When stars "die" they start to rot and give way to the Astral Infection, basically fucked up mana/magic illness.
Dei eat dying stars, thus keeping space healthy as they stop the astral infection from spreading. This isn't a 100% guarantee though, and sometimes Stars fester before a Dei can eat 'em.

[supple storm]

surprisingly i actually know of this lore

[wanton pendant]

Finally figured it out, Goku is from Homestuck!

[pliant ruin]

A Astrum Deus trying to feed on a already infested star is why the Astral Infection happens ingame, as it infects the Deus in question an dcauses it to hurl the infected star (AKA the Astral Meteor) to the planet

[frosty charm]

im struggling to write dialogue can anyone give advice

[cosmic zenith]

I'm looking for the Chrysadia lore pages I shared

[pliant ruin]

You them beat up Astrum deus and give it a shower and it goes back to space

Not really reflected ingame but you do that

[wanton pendant]

Imagine if you were them, what would you say?

[visual kiln]

:o

[supple storm]

🥺

[frosty charm]

"can you get out of my house"

[fading helm]

Do we know of fovos homeworld

[pliant ruin]

No

[fading helm]

Afaik it was mentioned he came from space no?

[dusk laurel]

he just sorta appeared

[pliant ruin]

Seems to be implied through one of the lore items

Not confirmed entirely but

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Did you get any other people to give feedback?

[visual kiln]

what if the moon lord came from the moon like unironically

[wanton pendant]

He almost certainly didn't.

[pliant ruin]

I feel like

That's really unlikely

It'd be pretty strange for dude to have just been chilling on the moon all this time and then one day he just decides to attack Terraria/Earth

[wanton pendant]

Here are my thoughts on the moon.

[pliant ruin]

If he came from anywhere in space it's probably somewhere really far away

[supple storm]

maybe in a galaxy far far away?

[wanton pendant]

A long time ago?

[pliant ruin]

something like that

[supple storm]

:3

[fading helm]

He just like galactus trust

[supple storm]

yoinky

[fading helm]

Unc just made this in 10 mins to give us crumbs

[pliant ruin]

thanks john chrysadia

[wanton pendant]

Oh my god. Trade details. What we wanted all along!

Now we can learn their trade policies!

[pliant ruin]

I should probably re-read these

its been a while

[visual kiln]

unironically tho

thats an interesting topic

[wanton pendant]

That's what I've been asking for! The trade policies of all the nations!

[supple storm]

wait are they called Chrysonne or Chrysadia? .w.

conflicting terms used

[split mortar]

Chrysadia is the name of the place
Chrysonne for people i think

[cosmic zenith]

Chrysadia - the nation
Chrysonne - person (singular)
Chrysonai - people (plural)

[wanton pendant]

What the British said.

[supple storm]

ah okay 👍

[split mortar]

Fuck you

[wanton pendant]

What did I do?

[split mortar]

Stub your teeth

[wanton pendant]

Mean.

[cosmic zenith]

I'm ngl I've considered more than once just changing it to Chrysadians

[supple storm]

what does the acronym "UC" stand for btw?

[visual kiln]

it'd def be less confusing

[icy veldt]

Huh, the -e becoming -ai in the plural kinda makes sense as an Ancient Greek first-declension noun

[fading helm]

Stip cooked

[supple storm]

maybe chrysonne and chrysonai are endonyms and Chrysadian is an exonym

[fading helm]

Question tho, how exactly did they travel between islands

[supple storm]

idk

[cosmic zenith]

AC - Azafurian Calendar
EC - Expedition Calendar
UC - Upheaval Calendar

[supple storm]

ah okay

[icy veldt]

Χρυσονη - Χρυσοναι

[frosty charm]

another server got raided as i went to get food

💀

[supple storm]

thats rough buddy

[wanton pendant]

Which Calender does Draedon use?

[visual kiln]

why r u saying this in lore discussion

[supple storm]

what are these calenders based around?

[wanton pendant]

Azafurian Jesus, duh.

[frosty charm]

i was here before

[visual kiln]

oh ok

[icy veldt]

Azafurian Rome, like the ab urbe condita calendar

[visual kiln]

meow

[cosmic zenith]

While the universal calendar for the story is the Azafurian Calendar (which started at the founding of Azafure), Chrysadia used the Upheaval Calendar, which started at the Upheaval of th Sky Islands

[frosty charm]

what was the biggest civilization pre yharim

[cosmic zenith]

Azafurian

[wanton pendant]

That we know of, I'd assume Ilmeris.

[icy veldt]

started at the founding of Azafure
Oh so it is basically Ab Urbe Condita, but with Azafure instead of Rome

[pliant ruin]

I mean out of the ones we know probably Azafure

[supple storm]

and what about the expedition calander?

[wanton pendant]

Azafure was a city state, so it wouldn't be as big.

[pliant ruin]

It was the first city and one of the most developed ones no?

[cosmic zenith]

Any use date is Azafurian Calendar unless explicitly said otherwise

[pliant ruin]

Ig it depends what you're defining as "big"

like

actual geographic size or like how developed they are or

[eager bluff]

AC - time since azafures founding
EC - time since some expedition probably
UC - time since sky islands became a thing

[wanton pendant]

I'd say by size.

[cosmic zenith]

It wouldn't be fun if I revealed everything, would it :)

[wanton pendant]

Development means they're playing tall.

[supple storm]

what expedition tho .w.

[pliant ruin]

:sparklçe

[fading helm]

It would

[pliant ruin]

✨ we don't know ✨

[dusk laurel]

[eager bluff]

fuck if i know

[cosmic zenith]

Btw the full Chrysonne Worldbuilding Notes doc is like 17 pages long

[supple storm]

fun :3

[pliant ruin]

thats big !

large even

[split mortar]

Mike, pour water onto cheese

[cosmic zenith]

Cheese, aren't you in CAU

[fading helm]

How do we adquiere these documents

[frosty charm]

cau?

[pliant ruin]

i am in fact in cau

im jane roy

[fading helm]

Do we need to consume an auric soul

[cosmic zenith]

Calamity Addons United

[frosty charm]

ah

[pliant ruin]

not an addon but i get special privileges

[eager bluff]

rest in peace calamity united modding 😔

[wanton pendant]

Like, the biggest city in the world is a tiny fraction of the size of Italy, and Ilmeris was somewhere between half to most of an Italy. So I'd assume it's way bigger then Azafure unless it was some ungodly sized city.

[cosmic zenith]

You don't, not yet at least

[supple storm]

also why are the acronyms have calender in them. wouldnt it make more sense if for example instead of upheaval calander being UC it'd be AU or After Upheaval?

[frosty charm]

idk if anyone remembers skribblamity but

that was my oldest cal server

[fading helm]

Is it gonna be in like a long time or smth like 2 updates down the road

[split mortar]

I feel like a fan game is fair play to get in

[wanton pendant]

No clue what that is.

[pliant ruin]

roy isn't an addon bbut it gets a pass

close enough

[eager bluff]

ok so my question for you is
how do you determine how "large" one of them is
is it based off population? is it based off land area? is it based off economic ability? whats it based off of

[wanton pendant]

Size.

[cosmic zenith]

Makes it easier to keep up with the calendar change

[wanton pendant]

What else.

[pliant ruin]

Hey aren't we getting those little bird lion messenger guys in the sky

The ones from the critter vote

[cosmic zenith]

That said, I haven't revised these in ages

[pliant ruin]

Forgot what they're called

[wanton pendant]

The biggest country would be a size based question.

[pliant ruin]

Just remembered they existed

[cosmic zenith]

I might tweak things a bit

[wanton pendant]

The tallest country, on the other hand.

[eager bluff]

size of what
size of the population? size of the area it covers? size of its economy?

[supple storm]

but the imersion is fucked then .w.

[wanton pendant]

Area! Obviously!

[cosmic zenith]

How so

[wanton pendant]

How many times must I say this?

[pliant ruin]

Does immersion matter too much here
These are just referential notes

[eager bluff]

my guy you literally only said Size

i was asking for clarification as to what size you were referring to

[pliant ruin]

Anyways i don't know what's happening in this chat now but i don't like it

Can u two stop arguing plz

it dosnt matter

[wanton pendant]

Who on earth would respond with population numbers to what is the biggest country?

[pliant ruin]

go look at fish

or bugs

maybe frogs

[wanton pendant]

I crush the bugs. I am WaterWraithGaming.

[split mortar]

Glutton bugs

[frosty charm]

is calamity mod friendslop or friendgem...

[split mortar]

Stupid bugs

[wanton pendant]

That's next door.

[split mortar]

Cave bugs

[supple storm]

the acronym used here is UC which would mean 0-100 upheaval calander, which doesnt make sense. 0-100 after upheaval would make far more sense atleast imo. no irl calander system from my knowledge uses the word calander in this way its always. Anno Domini, AUC etc. :P

[cosmic zenith]

Yep! And I fully intend to make use of them

[wanton pendant]

Execution.

[light linden]

bit of a random thing

[cosmic zenith]

They'll have actual messages you can collect and such (hopefully)

[frosty charm]

your messageslop isslop replyslop

[wanton pendant]

Also why does the calender start at 0?

[fading helm]

Having your headcanons crushed by canon lore is one of my worst pains to date

[visual kiln]

doesnt make sense
grammatical sense right

[eager bluff]

0 years since x

[fading helm]

Already happened like 4 times to me

[light linden]

y'all think knull would win vs xeroc?

[wanton pendant]

One of these days someone will use 'headcanon' correctly.

[supple storm]

gramatical or worldbuilding sense

[wanton pendant]

0AD is not a real date.

Or 0CE, if you prefer.

[cosmic zenith]

Ah, I see
I think this kinda stemmed from how I used it initially
Which was "Year X of the Upheaval Calendar"
But I might revise these Calendar acronyms
Thank you for mentioning it!

[eager bluff]

correct

[split mortar]

Bye chat yall stink

[icy veldt]

It should be. Array indexing starts at zero because it measures the distance from the start of the array. Same principle should apply to years

[supple storm]

:<

[eager bluff]

this does not mean 0[Time System Abbreviation] does also not exist

[cosmic zenith]

Also let's just say that having a similar structure in all of these isn't exactly a coincidence in-universe....

[wanton pendant]

And I was asking why that was the direction they went for.

[eager bluff]

and yeah 0ad should be an actual thing

[supple storm]

mind elaborating?

[visual kiln]

i dont stink

!

[wanton pendant]

John Calender was a major historical figure.

[cosmic zenith]

I'll leave you guys to speculate :)

[supple storm]

[icy veldt]

Lucius Calendarius Verpa

[visual kiln]

chrysadians r derivatives of azafurians arent they

thats what'd make sense

[light linden]

stip can I ask a question?

[wanton pendant]

They traded.

[supple storm]

i was thinking this, either that or they derive from the same ancestors

[visual kiln]

trade doesnt influence something as important culturally as a calendar

[supple storm]

this

[cosmic zenith]

Basically, for Chrysadia specifically, the Calendar was put in action months after the actual Upheaval
So the first year of the Upheaval was the first full year with the Sky Islands existing

[visual kiln]

if 2 groups have very similar calendar structures

they are also probably similar culturally

[pliant ruin]

azafure is the first city so

[supple storm]

calenders tended to have religious routes, that i know of atleast

[visual kiln]

mhm

so

[pliant ruin]

assuming chrysadia is also really fucking old and came into existence not much after azafure

[wanton pendant]

It's called the first city. It's not impossible there was an older, yet forgotten one.

[pliant ruin]

not really such a crazy idea

[visual kiln]

having similar calendar structures implies that they share a culture to some degree

[split mortar]

Azafure and chrysadia are closesly related minimum?

[supple storm]

btw question, how exactly did Chrysadia and Azafure trade?

[visual kiln]

which means either one comes from the other

or

[cosmic zenith]

Cheese, you literally have access to the full doc

[wanton pendant]

With flying camels.

[icy veldt]

I just had that exact same thought a few seconds before you said that

[pliant ruin]

its in cau somewhere isnt it

[young socket]

heres my thoughts

[supple storm]

i'd like a serious answer?

[cosmic zenith]

Yep

[split mortar]

Theorising fun

[icy veldt]

What if there were other cities and civilizations that were wiped out long before the founding of Azafure?

[eager bluff]

or you know there were just nomadic peoples before there was a city

[visual kiln]

they're both derivative of something else

[pliant ruin]

gimme a bit i can look

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, the phrasing they use always makes it clear that this is just a title, not a proven fact.

[visual kiln]

probably not unreasonable to believe tbh

[wanton pendant]

Why are you being so needlessly combative?

[light linden]

ig that's a no

[icy veldt]

Now to start schizoposting about the Gobekli Tepe, the comet Encke, and the Younger Dryas ice age

[light linden]

do y'all think an exo prism emits heat?

[icy veldt]

[wanton pendant]

Always 'Known as the First City' but never 'It's the First City'.

[supple storm]

can someone answer pls i'd really like to know .w.

[pliant ruin]

I mean

Idk vehicles

[eager bluff]

i think it emits a little

[pliant ruin]

balloons or something

or flying mounts

[wanton pendant]

Wings.

[eager bluff]

excavation

[wanton pendant]

Hellevators.

Lots of rope.

[pliant ruin]

there's alot of ways one can go down from sky into the surface

Also yeah wings

Elevators

[light linden]

honestly?

[visual kiln]

what did they trade

[pliant ruin]

As for a specific way we dunno unless stip blesses us with knowledge again

[fading helm]

Best guess would be hellevators

[wanton pendant]

For materials.

[eager bluff]

were wings accessible in azafure?

[cosmic zenith]

The Chrysonai weren't locked within the Sky Islands
They could just trade across underground trade routes

[visual kiln]

did they trade aerialite

[pliant ruin]

The doc stip sent

[supple storm]

so would there be ruins of these hellavators?

[light linden]

I think the giant tree in the jungle might've had something to do with it

[wanton pendant]

Maybe somewhere. Just not where we are.

[visual kiln]

OH

[wanton pendant]

They didn't.

[fading helm]

Doubt it due to gameplay,

[wanton pendant]

Probably caved in.

[fading helm]

Or that

[cosmic zenith]

(Not hellevators by that point)

[supple storm]

damn gamplay getting in the way of world buidling >:(

[cosmic zenith]

More traditional routes through cave systems

[wanton pendant]

Hellstaircase.

[supple storm]

ah okay

[icy veldt]

They'd probably caved in by now, simply due to erosion over time and devastation due to the crusade

[eager bluff]

like in chrysadia yeah there would be aerialite for the wings but how would that apply to azafure

[icy veldt]

Also yeah, caves

[wanton pendant]

And Azafure has been gone at least fifteen years.

So any routes are very much in disrepair by now.

[supple storm]

actually, how do the 3 different calanders convert into each other?

[wanton pendant]

A^2 + B^2 = C^2

[icy veldt]

Does Terraria have seasonal variance like Earth does?

[supple storm]

i want a legit answer >:(

[wanton pendant]

Probably but that's hard to do in gameplay.

[eager bluff]

i dont know if azafure would be able to make functioning wings
gliders yeah but i doubt full on wings

[wanton pendant]

Just trade for souls of flight.

[icy veldt]

Wireless teleporters

[fading helm]

Jeckpack maybe

Jetpack*

[wanton pendant]

They don't exist.

[supple storm]

like assuming that azafurian calander is the base, at what years would the other two calanders be based around?

[wanton pendant]

Time to get wiring.

[icy veldt]

(That was a joke)

[eager bluff]

except how would you get up to the surface for the souls of flight

[wanton pendant]

(You're the joke.)

[wanton pendant]

By, going throught the caves?

Like, rope? You know? What else?

[supple storm]

can someone answer me pls .w.

[eager bluff]

we dont know

[supple storm]

.w. so you dont know what year the upheaval was?

[eager bluff]

no

[young socket]

_ _

[pliant ruin]

the mod is heavily unfinished

most of the lore is unfinished

[supple storm]

thanks 👍

[pliant ruin]

we dont know most things

[young socket]

also yea

[cosmic zenith]

Fuck, I speak too much

[young socket]

unless in game, subject to change

[wanton pendant]

Thanks, Goku, for telling us this.

[young socket]

pfftttt

[fading helm]

I assume the expedition was the expedition to azafure

O nvm

[eager bluff]

if it was before chrysadia who would be going on the expedition down

[fading helm]

Dates dont match

[young socket]

you really like talking about chrysadia and ngl its very fun to see you talk about it with so much passion

:3

expedition was post azafure

[cosmic zenith]

Thanks! And yeah, I practically built all of Chrysadia lore by myself

It's basically my child except it's a full civilization

[eager bluff]

in reality it was probably other the way around judging by the way the dates line up

[cosmic zenith]

Chrysadia is also just so free to worldbuild for ngl

[supple storm]

as a worldbuilder it is painful that there is so little lore on the nations TwT

[cosmic zenith]

Ilmeris is a lot trickier
Maybe because I'm not as invested

Azafure though

[wanton pendant]

When do we learn Ilmeris' trade policy. Was it Isolationism?

[cosmic zenith]

IT IS COOL AS FUCK

I CAN'T WAIT

[wanton pendant]

I thought it was hot.

[pliant ruin]

... i mean yeah because the mod is unfinished and the lore is being implemented and written still

[eager bluff]

well for the majority of history no

[fading helm]

Do we know where human( or well human like species ig) were origined from

[supple storm]

doesnt mean i cant prod for each and every detail :3

[wanton pendant]

Calamity Kenya.

[young socket]

i think the expedition was a group of azafurians who went travelling and going to the surface, where theyd eventually meet vetrasyl and started either worshipping him or getting close with him, either way resulting in him deciding to cause the upheaval. this would also explain why azafure and chrysadia buildings would be similar

[visual kiln]

this makes me think btw: what if the idea of azafure being the first city is a religious idea? not rlly grounded in fact and history

[supple storm]

yeah i can see this

[wanton pendant]

Interesting proposition.

[cosmic zenith]

It's gonna be fun seeing you guys piece together what actually gets into the game....

[supple storm]

perhaps even having some mythological idea of its founding

[wanton pendant]

So like, it's Calamity Jerusalem or something?

[fading helm]

Pretty doubtful of this one due to the fact that it would kind of feel out of nowhere

[supple storm]

not exactly, rome for instance had a mythological idea of its founding aswell

[fading helm]

Well to me atleast

[young socket]

actually wait the clouded acropolis spoiler literally says it was a gift to devout followers of the auric dragons

[supple storm]

would it tho?

[visual kiln]

how so

[visual kiln]

tbh u dont rlly

[eager bluff]

we havent really seen anything about azafure religiously

[wanton pendant]

Rome more so sensationalised its founders.

[wanton pendant]

We have?

[visual kiln]

its okay to be passionate about what u work on

[wanton pendant]

The Brimstone Elemental.

[supple storm]

Azafure could easily do the same tho?

[fading helm]

This place is talked about as the first and most advanced civilization for like a millenia, knowing there was another civilization older would kill a bit of the hype for me

[surreal flame]

Have a question, who is Calamitas? How did she appeared

[eager bluff]

we know brimmy is important to azafure religiously but we dont know how and we dont know anything else

[wanton pendant]

She was a normal girl till Brimstone attacked.

Then she got superpowers.

[young socket]

the only religious figure that exists is brimmy and i think rav? one of which seems to either be forgotten or just not very prominent in recent times, and the other wasnt around back then

[wanton pendant]

Then she gets groomed into being a weapon for the bad guy.

Then she lives in a cave for like 12 years.

[visual kiln]

a civilization that thinks its the oldest is rlly interesting tbh

u ever hear of the silurian hypothesis

[fading helm]

Nah

[surreal flame]

Ooohhh, where did you get that? Is that in the game or

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[visual kiln]

read about it

[cosmic zenith]

Yep
All the lore is ingame

[fading helm]

Ill check it after i get home

[surreal flame]

Oh, ok, thanks

[visual kiln]

its the idea that if a technologically advanced civilization existed irl on earth like a few million years ago

we'd have almost no way of knowing that it did

[fading helm]

Ohh stuff like that

[supple storm]

i agree, whether or not it is doesnt matter, Azafure proclaims itself as the first city, so it follows it'd have some desire to support it, perhaps some sort of founding myth or smth like that? idk

[wanton pendant]

Mr. Beast no more.

[fading helm]

I mean tbf I think we would have the means considering we can trace stuff back millions of years

But yeah, te thing for me is that it would be kind of late for it to be introduced

Atleast in cal

[wanton pendant]

I mean, having it be vague as to it being the 'TRUE first city' isn't a big deal.

[eager bluff]

that isnt that much info on her

shes important but outside of knowing that we dont know really anything about her role in azafurian religion

[cosmic zenith]

My interest is mostly ancient history, worldbuilding and esoteric lore elements - which means I get to be really cryptic and mysterious with what I share ingame
Chrysadia history won't be covered like this, it'll be covered through contextualized sources - like the records of two smiths from different time periods

You technically already get a glimpse of how I handle things from how I speak here, look at how I just shared basic information and you pieced together something more through finding other comments of mine

[wanton pendant]

'A peculiar being. Until recently, she had laid dormant for ages. Acting as the city's silent matron, present in their culture.
As its economy boomed, traces of brimstone found their way all across the known world.
It was never clear why her slumber ended. At first it was a stir. The people were cautiously optimistic.'

[cosmic zenith]

The dialogue I used in spoilers is actually a draft for Amidias' entry for the Sky Islands

And he just doesn't know much! Chrysadia was gone before Ilmeris became a thing

[fading helm]

Yeah but it either would be smth like trivia that doesnt get explored too much or something that apart from taking a long ass time to make, it would also feel kind of outnowhere

[cosmic zenith]

So you have to look for places that would actually give you answers

[eager bluff]

yeah this is just saying
"shes culturally relevant and said culture got spread around with trade"
which is how pretty much every major religious figure works

[wanton pendant]

But that proves my point that she can be considered a religious figure to Azafurians.

[cosmic zenith]

:)

(Yes she is an important figure)

[wanton pendant]

Obviously I don't know the specifics.

[fading helm]

Wonder how they knew it was an elemental, isnt it suppose to look like a rock while dormant? Maybe im just underestimating how the world was 1k years ago tho

[eager bluff]

...i never said she wasnt?? i said we dont know anything about her in azafurian religion aside from the fact that shes There and shes Important

[young socket]

she couldve not been dormant

[wanton pendant]

Maybe its power can be felt.

[visual kiln]

maybe something to do with like

brimmy

idk

[cosmic zenith]

(In fact, one of the upcoming Underworld builds that don't belong to either Azafurians nor Demons is based around the concept of "what if some Azafurians stopped worshipping the Brimstone Elemental?")

[young socket]

be more like silva and be an active participant in history

[visual kiln]

brimmy settled tehre and founded the city

brimmy as a jesus figure

[eager bluff]

no because jesus is the jesus figure smh

[young socket]

brimmy jesus theory

[wanton pendant]

You reach a point where the answer to the argument is just 'the mods unfinished'.

[supple storm]

and i feel a pain in my heart

[wanton pendant]

You're telling me?

[young socket]

we should make brimmy look like shes being crucified, and call her angel multiple times and give her a ring made out of thorns

[fading helm]

Too many unfinished mods with too much lore yet to be explored...

[wanton pendant]

So many mods to play with, so little time.

[supple storm]

hmmm, chrysadia and ilmeris. what would their capitals be?

since they appear larger than a single city