lore-discussion

[cloud ibex]

cataclysm is fist guy

catastrophe is sword guy

[wanton pendant]

She's like under the age of 13 while she's with them.

[pliant ruin]

I imagine Catastrophe is where most of the income came from

mercenary a nd all

[wanton pendant]

Can't leave a minor at home like that.

[limpid saddle]

I assume they alternate & have 1 dedicated day a week where they both stay with Calamitas

[pliant ruin]

and then Cataclysm would look over Calzone and do Boxing as a small extra source of income

[wanton pendant]

And so Cataclysm spent much of his time being her guardian while Catastrophe makes the money.

[pliant ruin]

This also makes sense though

[wanton pendant]

You see the vision.

[pliant ruin]

Calamari, Calzone, i need more Calamitas nicknames

[wanton pendant]

They can't both work all the time, 'cause then they're leaving a literal child alone at home all day.

[limpid saddle]

Given they had a strong enough base to be such beefed up corpses I assume they were both very dedicated to their work

[icy veldt]

Clammy?

[wanton pendant]

So I imagine Cataclysm is the one who stays at home most, and also may be displeased with his brother's choice of occupation, since he obviously doesn't want anyone in his family in danger.

Like, their parents are probably very dead.

[icy veldt]

Or just missing, maybe in hiding?

Or something

[wanton pendant]

I kinda imagined that at least one of them is a fatality in the crusade.

[limpid saddle]

Either they walked out on their 3 children or they all died pick a lane

[icy veldt]

Well, maybe it wasn't their choice to walk out. Maybe they had to. Maybe they were being hunted down and wanted their children to be safe

[wanton pendant]

Or the industry killed them (OSHAViolationmaxxing.)

[wheat walrus]

calamimi

calamimir even

[wanton pendant]

Calcium.

[wheat walrus]

call of duty

california

[wanton pendant]

It's watching.

[distant smelt]

In my industrial arc
Straight up Malpracticemaxxing

[limpid saddle]

the tetr

[wanton pendant]

Is that Red Miku Hatsune?

[wheat walrus]

kasane teto,,,

[distant smelt]

A B S O L U T E R A D I A N C E

[wanton pendant]

Supreme Witch is a title Calamitas made up at 14.

[limpid saddle]

hollow knight players when they see the sun:

(its been 8 years)

[cloud ibex]

calling her a witch in general i can imagine being a thing they came up with during the crusade to make their enemies afraid of her

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas was probably from Yharim for a variety of reasons.

[cloud ibex]

and she went along with it cause like

yeah she was 14 at the time

she probably thought it sounded sick as hell

[wheat walrus]

ts title goes hard 🔥🙏

[wanton pendant]

Reasons:
Intimidating.
Hides her identity from her father.
Dehumanises her.

[cloud ibex]

no i don't think he'd want to dehumanize her on purpose

maybe in the eyes of his enemies but like

[wheat walrus]

imagine if calamity mod had social media and calamitas found a post from 10 years ago where she said smth like this after burning a town

[cloud ibex]

it feels weird for him to have done it with that purpose in mind

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but he definitely was, you know with the whole living weapon thing, like not something he was trying to do, just a natural consequence of his actions.

[cloud ibex]

i guess

[wanton pendant]

Kinda hard to make a child into a weapon without dehumanising them.

Obviously, Yharim doesn't come off as someone who would deliberately plan to do something like that, but he absolutely ended up doing it.

[wheat walrus]

as i see it, yharim doesn't want to dehumanize her, he wants to wield her as destruction against those he actually wants to dehumanize, which anyone who isn't too in their own asses would understand means dehumanization

guess what yharim is

[wanton pendant]

See, you get it.

But if you ask him, he just wasn't respectful.

[wheat walrus]

yea

he's too deep in his own ass to realize he's become as bad, if not worse than all the things he abhorred

[wanton pendant]

Dramatic irony and all that.

[wheat walrus]

and this isn't to say he was ever truly a hero, but at least in his earlier times, he did not push himself as far as he did in the later stretches of the crusade, fully giving into the worst of him and becoming irredeemable

yharim is cool gng

[wanton pendant]

The very first gods were obviously some of the worst, the next dozens were awful, and then it kept going.

[astral hull]

Anyone want to talk about exotic resonance? I'm an electrician in training trying to build an electric plant in my world that uses exo prisms.

[wanton pendant]

So exotic resonance blatantly violates the laws of thermodynamics, and Draedon is just ok with that.

[prime mauve]

I thought this was a momo image at first

[wanton pendant]

No, it's obviously Miku.

[prime mauve]

I was scrolling down and just saw the bottomless black pits of eyes

[wanton pendant]

'Bottomless Black Pits of Eyes' would be a sick band name.

[prime mauve]

hear me out

[wheat walrus]

dang

[prime mauve]

all of DoG should sound like band names

for metal bands

[wanton pendant]

Like, his drops?

[prime mauve]

everything

he should speak in screamo

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas at 14 vs. Prime DoG who wins the cringe off.

[prime mauve]

the difference between cringe and not cringe is often how confidently you do it

[wanton pendant]

Both have utmost confidence.

[prime mauve]

I don't think 14 y/o cal would have anywhere near the confidence of a guy who calls himself The Devourer of Gods

[wanton pendant]

True!

[astral hull]

I think it's mostly the sea prisms that do that, they produce a limitless low voltage and low current signal in addition to light. I assume all that Draedon does is anneal the sea prisms and use an exotechnology prototype that requires a lot of energy to manipulate the annealed prisms at the mollecular level to create extremely small transistor amplifiers which is probably what causes exotic resonance to occur after supplying the prism with dc excitation. The sea prisms are the most confusing part about it all but could be explained by it being made of an element outside of our periodic table that somehow produces limitless energy and light.

[wanton pendant]

Actually, we know why they are like that.

One of the gods that lived in Ilmeris blessed them.

I think it was Otonilou.

[long bloom]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

So it's literally divine intervention.

[astral hull]

Oh ok then it makes sense as to where the limitless weak electrical signal comes from lol, that's what was confusing me.

[wanton pendant]

This also means it's technically the most impressive feat of any god in the series, creating infinite energy.

[pliant ruin]

Well to be fair xeroc can seemingly create physical bodies out of nothing but light and id say thats probably more impressive

like thats just creating physical matter out of "nothing" isnt it

otonilou making infinite energy def a close second tho

[wanton pendant]

Eh, that's just hard light, green lantern does that all the time.

[astral hull]

I feel like it would make more sense to me if the crystals were just really effective batteries but if that's how it is in the lore then cool.

[wanton pendant]

Draedon just sciences then into being better blessed crystals.

Because that's a thing you can do I guess.

[astral hull]

I mean that part makes sense to me, since he already had an exotechnology prototype he could amplify the signal produced by the crystals by manipulating their structure.

[wanton pendant]

Oh, and when Exo Prims melt you get a crude form of Miracle Matter.

[vague jacinth]

I like looking back and seeing just how flawed the old calamity lore is

like, why do leviathan and the siren have long backstories, why does Daedalus even exist?

[wheat walrus]

not the questions to be asked abt old lore tbh

[long bloom]

me when there was the light gods and dark gods and they fought each other so hard they made a new god

[glass tartan]

From old lore toward new lore.

Also, the power-scaling is too underwhelming.

Considering how much the stats go way off the charts, in contrast to Vanilla Terraria.

[wheat walrus]

the problem w old lore is that it introduces a shitton of random concepts but rarely does anything w them beyond introducing them

[vague jacinth]

also in the old lore Yharim basically has no motive aside from, "his family died"

[long bloom]

wide but not deep

[pliant ruin]

yeah honestly thats a good analogy

[vague jacinth]

like, Ilmeris gets incinerated because Amidias didn't want to help awaken the moon lord, okay but WHY does Yharim want to awaken the moon lord?

[long bloom]

because uhhh

[pliant ruin]

Yharim can kind of just do everything also.

[long bloom]

[wheat walrus]

the only reason vanilla terraria can be considered "off the charts" is because ppl will take into consideration every bit of text to the utmost literal, which is fine (even if i dont rly agree w it) and you could do the same w calamity, but because calamity does more with the lore, becomes more questionable

[glass tartan]

Can he do that, in the new lore, too?

[vague jacinth]

he got his ass beat by Braelor and Statis so probably not

[long bloom]

in old lore he slammed his fist on a table so hard he instantly killed everyone in the room

before getting his armor

[glass tartan]

More like Braelor out-skilled him.

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas and Permafrost were some of the strongest mages. Yharim proceeds to out-magic them both. Why did Yharim event want Perma's help if he's just..... better than him in every aspect?
Also yeah basically every single instance of Yharim fucking someone up boils down to. "I ask them for help, they say no because i'm an asshole, i use my incredibly vague and insanely overpowered magic to do something bad to them"

Like Yharim is just The Best at everything

There is no defined ceiling for his abilities or what they are he just Does Things

He can trap Permafrost into a ice prison beacuse sure i guess

He can mind control Calamitas because yeah whatever

[vague jacinth]

why did Yharim want Perma's help, heck, why did he want Calamitas' help?!

[pliant ruin]

Look there'sd nothing wrong with

Having Yharim do magic

Like

He's a big sword awrrior guy

But that dosen't mean he has to be ONLY that

[wheat walrus]

if we treated calamity and vanilla equally, say, by onscreen showcases, vanilla is straight-up weaker, but with vanilla ppl are used to taking every word to the letter, whereas with calamity, not as much because calamity lore isn't nearly as sandbox-y, whereas terraria lore can be pieced however you want to even as of Red himself

[glass tartan]

I've always wanted to know Yharim's actual power and how he is, by this point in time.

[wheat walrus]

stronger than Calamitas

[pliant ruin]

Yharim currently is the strongest mortal on the world

As he says himself

The only who get close to him in strenght

are Calamitas and Braelor, and, eventually

the Terrarian

The only beings we known outpower him are Xeroc, Prime Moonlord and Noxus

(And, again, after we beat him, us too)

[vague jacinth]

new lore feels a lot more like a web where everything is connected, the main link between everything being Yharim himself, but the old lore feels like all these random ideas were just given backstories with only a little bit of correlation

[pliant ruin]

You don't need everything in a story to be directly connected to eachother but also the concepts introduced on it need to contribute to the story at large in some way

Old lore dind't really do that

Nothing really meshed together

[long bloom]

there were two completely unrelated unnamed water civilizations

[pliant ruin]

That by itself is fine tbh. Like at a base level. You can have just Civilizations That Exist

That's not an issue

The problem is how all of these seemingly really big concepts

Just got introduced and never were elaborated on or expanded and seemed to be very random and not contribute to the overarching story or worldbuilding in any meaningful way

[long bloom]

neither of them did anything ever

yeag

[pliant ruin]

It seemed less like a

[vague jacinth]

looking at Daedalus...

[pliant ruin]

"Here's some cool worldbuilding concepts for you to think about. They're not super important so they won't get that much info on them, but it's some food for thought."

Like

this is fine

[wheat walrus]

amogus

[pliant ruin]

It's fine to just have things that exist that arent important

But it didn't feel like that

It felt more like

[wheat walrus]

the only time i accept introducing a shitton of funny concepts and leaving them to be expanded upon by the ppl is monster hunter

[pliant ruin]

"Here's these concepts that we didn't put much thought on and just kinda made exist as a vague explanation for things. We won't bother with explaining them further. Have fun."

[wheat walrus]

cause monster hunter does it w rizz

[brazen swallow]

we get to see ilmeris
what's left of it

[pliant ruin]

Illmeris is actually important unlike those other two

[wheat walrus]

the amount of unconcluded things that you can piece out and somehow fall in line near-perfectly in there is actually crazy

[pliant ruin]

Like

Draconic offshoots, per example. We dunno all of them that exist. We dunno which offshoots descended from which dragon. We just know a few of them we encounter ingame.
It's a fairly open-ended concept that dosen't get that much info on it but it gives you just enough info where you can speculate and thinker with the idea of what other offshoots might exist and what dragons led to which offshoots and all that.

I've had fun thinking about speculative offshoots before

its the difference between

[eager bluff]

its the difference between saying "oh yeah this character (like lets say the bandit idk) comes from this place, but it doesnt matter so you'll get a minor explanation" versus "this major plot relevant war happened between these 2 countries except neither of the countries will be expanded on"

[pliant ruin]

intentional vagueness/open-endedness for the sake of letting the reader speculate and ahve fun thinking

vs

[wheat walrus]

you can have major details go unconcluded, but not things that are essential to the main story/plot basically

[pliant ruin]

vagueness that is just caused by writers not bothering to explain things further because they just can't be bothered to

[vague jacinth]

Daedalus has a civilization that is destroyed by Draedon except you don't see the remains of the society and Draedon never mentions it

[brazen swallow]

I think half of calamity vague lore is meh worldbuilding and half actual mystery

[pliant ruin]

can you elaborate

[wheat walrus]

don't elaborate actually

cheese is being silly

probably drunk or smth

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

omni i should kill you

[wheat walrus]

come at me

[dusk laurel]

war of the worlds

[vague jacinth]

what if Yharim was purple?

[wheat walrus]

purple lagiacrus

[pliant ruin]

he'd be a purple guy

[long bloom]

WAS THAT THE ASCENSION OF 37

[wheat walrus]

was that the shooting of 22

[visual kiln]

hii omni

[wheat walrus]

or the execution of 25

[wheat walrus]

hi aza

[pliant ruin]

anyways rot aside i would appreciate this tbh because alot of the time when i see people say calamity worldbuilding is underdeveloped or w/e it tends to boil down to just
the concepts are underdeveloped because the mod is unfinished and they haven't been able to put all they want in yet
I've seen a few cases where people provided actual valid concerns i agree with tho

[visual kiln]

his original name was william afton i knew it

[wheat walrus]

true

[pliant ruin]

People have a habit of reading calamity's narrative as if it was a finished product

[wheat walrus]

calamity as a whole aint a finished product

cause where's yharim

[pliant ruin]

It's the same thing that leds to people seeing the lore items as The Definitive Source Of Lore

[vague jacinth]

tbh the main lore thing I'm excited to see more of is Signus' lore

[wheat walrus]

singus

[long bloom]

signut

[wheat walrus]

sigmus

[vague jacinth]

signul

[pliant ruin]

While i do think their implementation is quite Meh right now i think they're actually a very good concept and i'm glad that their idea is being modified and redone as the message stone item

They're not "Lore items", that name is painfully misleading, beacuse it leds to the impression that they're meant to be a way for you to Know the Lore about various concepts

When really

They're if anything, a way to know Yharim as a character

[wheat walrus]

rename em to whispers

technically we're alr halfway there

🔥

[pliant ruin]

The funny yharim messaging stone

My beloved

[vague jacinth]

also we've got the bestiary now so that's a more definitive way to learn about specific bosses

[pliant ruin]

Rather than getting items that tell you lore you find a funny stone near the dungeon that lets Yharim communicate with you

[wheat walrus]

yharim records a msg on a magic stone and throws it at you from the aerie

[pliant ruin]

And after certain events like beating bosses or reaching certain areas he talks to you through it

[long bloom]

ture

[pliant ruin]

And it also helps alot with, why yharim is talking to you

because yeah its weird like. why does yharim talk to this person whos a random nobody at first

like, sure, by the end of pre hardmode

he has valid reason to take interest on you

but before then why bro doing that

[wheat walrus]

anyways jokes aside, while iirc they will be removed and their info repurposed at one point, i think this would actually be cool for the time being

[pliant ruin]

And, well

the stone helps with that

[wheat walrus]

calling them "whispers" communicates what they are much better

[pliant ruin]

Because you just happen to find it, and Yharim then just decides to observe you out of curiosity

[vague jacinth]

also it's hard for new players to know who is talking to them through the current lore items

[pliant ruin]

But as you get stronger that curiosity slowly turns into him actively manipulating you n allat

[wheat walrus]

lore items being the first big thing for the lore rewrite and also being called "lore items" definitely did numbers in regards to this

[pliant ruin]

oh yeah definitely

[wheat walrus]

this idea you're giving me is actually cool

[vague jacinth]

"it's Calamitas' fault Permafrost was imprisoned"
"It's Draedon's fault that calclone was made"

[wheat walrus]

to do what you proposed w lore items

and as you progress, you learn more about the world but you also have yharim trying to manipulate you more and more

it makes me think about when Cei mentioned that she could've wrote Yharim to be even more convincing in his talking

it would be very interesting

[wheat walrus]

especially considering this

in a complete calamity, you'd be getting various perspectives

npcs, stuff you find around the world, bestiary, even yharim

[pliant ruin]

Oh it's basically what's going to happen im p sure
The stone idea was something stip originally proposed that i believe is more or less confirmed atp? Not 100%, but in a similar boat to evil2 = dragonfolly swap where it'd be more surprising if it didn't happen

[wheat walrus]

dang

wasn't up to date, i thought the lore items were gonna be removed and their info scattered around other places

rather than revamped like this into stone/whispers things

[vague jacinth]

and the Draedon ai chatbot

[pliant ruin]

Lore items will die but be reborn as a lotus flower through a single item

[wheat walrus]

true

[pliant ruin]

Which is the funny stone you'll find near the dungeon

[wheat walrus]

flames

the lore items are shara ishvalda

[long bloom]

source on this part?

[wheat walrus]

10 0 minutes without mhmaxxing

[dusk laurel]

#calamity-update-talk message

[wheat walrus]

dang it's old too

[pliant ruin]

#calamity-update-talk message

#calamity-update-talk message

[dusk laurel]

yeah this is pretty old and then it was brought up again like a week ago

[pliant ruin]

Near the dungeon might'be been a bit of a confusion in my part

[wheat walrus]

dang

[pliant ruin]

But it's still gonna be near the surface

[long bloom]

that's from when each stone was seperate

[wheat walrus]

literally everything happened inbetween the 2

gng

[pliant ruin]

I think you misunderstand

There is a stone Yharim uses in the Aerie

and one we find in the surface for ourselves

And that's how Yharim talks to us

[wheat walrus]

the stone phone

holy shit

THE STONE PHONE 🔥

[long bloom]

just read the recent message

hype

[pliant ruin]

There also seems to be one we can find in the Crags and one in the Dungeon but i'm unsure if those will have any sort of different functionality or if they might just be a copy of the same item

Basically just a way for you to get it back if you lose it somehow

[wheat walrus]

THE STONE PHONE IS REAL

[dusk laurel]

remember the idea of you consuming the other stones and adding to your main stone pedia

[wheat walrus]

STONE PHONE BE DEIFIED

[mighty zenith]

stone whatsapp

[glass tartan]

I honestly adore the way the lore is being written!

[wheat walrus]

TRUE

[dusk laurel]

terrarian whatsapp be like

[pliant ruin]

Yeah it's pretty cool

[real silo]

rocksapp

[glass tartan]

I'd also like to believe that we, the Terrarian are somewhat related to Yharim... in some way, shape or form... unless...

Yharim knows we've got the potential to reach him.

Considering he helps guide us, to grow in power and lore-dump on us.

[pliant ruin]

At a base level, Yharim notices how powerful we are, and sees that he could try manipulating us into following a similar path as he did, in hopes that we could continue his legacy, as he knows he won't be able to - He's already at the limit of his lifespan

You could theoretically make the Terrarian related to Yharim in some way though

[wheat walrus]

for the terrarian is...

YOU

[long bloom]

!!!!!!!!

[pliant ruin]

🍈 🔫

[glass tartan]

Not only that, but he essentially steers us on the path of what he once wanted to truly embody

[wheat walrus]

🍈🔫

[glass tartan]

Heroism.

He likely misses those times...

MAN, I'd love to see a past Yharim in action.

[dusk laurel]

🍈 🔫

[glass tartan]

He'd probably be like Kratos, I can just imagine how brutally ruthless he could be!

[long bloom]

🍈 🔫

[icy veldt]

No, Yharim was always a villain. His ambitions were always to restore/avenge the Draconic Era by wiping out all of the Gods, even the kind/benevolent ones. The fact that he attacked the evil gods first was merely incidental

His view of himself as a "fallen hero who used to be good" is just pure delusion

[wheat walrus]

cinema

[mighty zenith]

🍈 🔫

[glass tartan]

Well, at first, it was heroism considering he hunted down some real foul Gods.

I mean, look at the altered lore of Corruption 'n Crimson!

[icy veldt]

A villain doesn't become a hero when he attacks another villain

[glass tartan]

Moreover than not, it was YHARON himself that influenced him to take on this path.

Had it not been for Yharon...

Yharim would have had a different path, I imagine.

[pliant ruin]

Yharim himself already had some pretty bad experiences with gods, and so did Yharon

I feel like it's a situation where them meeting would just culminate their anger for gods together and push eachother into doing what they did

[icy veldt]

IIRC Yharon healed him or restored him to life after falling in that lava, so Yharim probably would've died from his wounds as he should've

[pliant ruin]

I disagree with the notion that Yharon manipulated Yharim because i don't think he did

I think they both just bounce off of eachother

[long bloom]

they made each other worse

[pliant ruin]

yeah exactly

[wheat walrus]

the evil biomes are very funny here, they're proof of the gods' negative traits, but also yharim's own

[distant smelt]

Guys the crusade propaganda worked
It got him

[pliant ruin]

If Yharim had just fought against the evil, tyrannical gods like those of the evil biomes and providence, he could've been a hero
If he had fought against them while using some morally questionable means, he would've been someone morally gray, who did dubious things for a good cause, which is what he thinks he is

[glass tartan]

Likely he'd have died, considering how horrid his wounds must have been, that he has a fully fledged AURIC panoply on him.

[wheat walrus]

they come from the evilest of gods, but exist as they are because of yharim's negligence

[pliant ruin]

But he really just used the most cruel and horrible possible methods to kill gods that weren't even bad people, which just kind of ends up making him a evil bastard

He's such a cool character tbh

Like

[icy veldt]

He's fun to hate

[pliant ruin]

It's honestly a really unique take on a villain, atleast to me

[wheat walrus]

yes yharim is cinema

[glass tartan]

So, what IS Auric to be more exact? From my understanding, it's basically God Poison made into a material, right?

Has anyone expanded on this beforehand?

[pliant ruin]

If he had just been a tragic fallen hero that turned to villainy and morally dubious actions for the sake of his misson

Which, again, is what he thinks he is

I think he would be far less interesting and unique than what he actually is

Not to say that concept can't be done well

[wheat walrus]

he defo had a fall from grace, but not one of morals, one of actions

[pliant ruin]

But what is done with Yharim here is so different from alot of other villains i've seen, its really cool

[distant smelt]

Its more dragon than god poison (not dragon poison to clarify)

[pliant ruin]

Auric metal seems to be derived from Dragons in some way

It dosen't seem to affect gods in particular nay worse than it affects regular beings

[vague jacinth]

he also became homophobic

[pliant ruin]

thats more devourer tbh

[wheat walrus]

he likely has had the doing the worst of he did in him for most, if not all of the crusade, but only had to act on that worst in the later stretches of it

[pliant ruin]

but devourer is probably every form of discriminatory depending of whos hes fighting

[visual kiln]

hes basically hitler but he thinks hes the protagonist right

[wheat walrus]

that implies he became homophobic and wasn't born as such

[pliant ruin]

he'll be whatever is the most insulting to you specifically

[wheat walrus]

h guy prolly thought the same

[pliant ruin]

he wasnt born homophobic because he didnt know gay people existed but then he realized they do and immediately became homophobic or something

[vague jacinth]

Yharim became homophobic, DoG always was

[visual kiln]

true

[pliant ruin]

More or less yeah

I've genuinely never quite seen a villain that has the same sort of characterization he has

[wheat walrus]

no trust me, the homophobia is engraved, but only activates reactively

it's like a mechanism

DoG has all discriminations available, but only activates the ones he needs to at the time so to not waste energy

[distant smelt]

Yharim thinks he messed up but not over any of the worst things he did

[wheat walrus]

yea

[long bloom]

none of these words are in the bible

[visual kiln]

i do like yharim ya

[wheat walrus]

he only thinks he messed up when it comes to what made him fail

[distant smelt]

“Man i should’ve paid more attention to the dungeon”
Ilmeris in the background:

[wheat walrus]

not what made him terrible

yharim be a cool character

[pliant ruin]

He thinks the crusade was a heroic mission that he was willing to go to morally dubious lenghts to complete, "The ends justify the means" type thing

And that's why he has regrets

[distant smelt]

I think you got that backwards

[pliant ruin]

But his biggest failure is not realizing that the ends suck to begin with

[wheat walrus]

cheese moment

[visual kiln]

not realizing u mean

[pliant ruin]

ya

[mighty zenith]

2 strikes

[glass tartan]

I'd like to think that he regrets a lot and now he's truly become apathetic.

[mighty zenith]

1 more and youre out

[glass tartan]

To not burrow himself even further, in the rabbit hole he's made...

[wheat walrus]

how does cheese have 2 moments in a row

gng

[pliant ruin]

He regrets, but dosen't regret the things he should

He would do the crusade again if he could go back in time

[icy veldt]

He regrets not being even worse than he was

[pliant ruin]

He'd just do it differently

[distant smelt]

He has a lot of regrets but not enough
Not nearly enough

[glass tartan]

What if he's wallowing in them?

[pliant ruin]

He'd make sure to not manipulate Calamitas to be his child soldier and to be a better comrade to the dragon cult so they don't abandon him

But he'd still try killing all gods again and very likely would be willing to hurt their followers and innocents if it meant he could do that

[wheat walrus]

he only wallows in the regrets that made his task go incomplete

[pliant ruin]

If anyone has literally any doubts about whether he still thinks the crusade isa good thing or not

Read all of the lore items for bosses that are gods or related to gods

He very vocally hates them and is proud of you for killing them

[distant smelt]

Yharim is so blinded by his hatred of the gods that anything he has to do to hurt them is immediately justified to him

[mighty zenith]

constantly berating slime god, celebrating providence's death (though that one doesnt really count because provi's death is absolutely worth celebrating)

[pliant ruin]

He talks about the evil biomes in a way that makes it clear that he thinks this is how all gods are deep down, congratulates you for killing slime god, speaks of Ravager as if it was a testimony to the folly of gods, even though Agnus was a kind person and Ravager existing is Yharim's fault

[distant smelt]

As far as we know slime god is just kinda there

[pliant ruin]

Slime God attacked you first so i wouldn't say fighting back is a bad thing. It's self defense at worst.

But regardless

The way Yharim speaks of gods as a whole in the lore items

Make it pretty clear that yeah

Guy still hates gods and would kill all of them if he could

look at how he talks about Silva

Who, for one

We know was an actual benevolent goddess

[wheat walrus]

if you send a child to deepfry an entire civilization because gods then you defo aint a fan of em nor a good person

[pliant ruin]

So there's no excuse like Providence where she's actually fucking evil or Slime God who atleast attacks you first

[mighty zenith]

yeah but he uses slime god as proof for why you should chase gods down and kill them all

[pliant ruin]

Yeah

he incentivizes you to kill more of them

If it was just because slime god attacked you first he wouldn't say that shit

It's clearly an hatred for gods at large

[mighty zenith]

"See, this guy attacked you! ALL gods are like this! Kill them all until there's nothing left!"

pretty much what he's saying

[long bloom]

yuh

[pliant ruin]

God can you imagine

How scary it must've been for the gods when Yharim started the crusade
Like ok imagine you're an actually chill god
At first you see this guy taking down tyrannical gods and stuff and it seems like a good thing

But he just

Slips sometimes

It feels like there's more to it

The things he say makes it feel like he has something against more than just these gods in praticular

And slowly as the crusade goes on

[mighty zenith]

and the worst thing is more and more people start supporting him

[pliant ruin]

He eventually takes down gods that are less and less blatantly evil or cruel

God it must've been

fucking horrifying

[long bloom]

🔥 ✍️

[mighty zenith]

you just watch as people decide you need to die based on the whims of a random murder hobo

just because of what you are and not who you are

[distant smelt]

Do we even know what the dragons were even actually like
I dont know

[mighty zenith]

that would suck huh

[wheat walrus]

discrimination

[long bloom]

nop

[mighty zenith]

good thing that never happened irl or anything

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

We know what Vetrasyl and Yharon loo klike and uhhh yeah thats it

thumbup

If oyu mean in terms of morals/personality

Well we know Vetrasyl is a pretty good guy. or well was

and that DoF was really evil and bad

thats kind of it right now yeah

[dusk laurel]

and we only know yharon after the gods started to become a thing

[distant smelt]

Yeah that’d be awful

[livid trail]

Draedon continues to be the most based guy

[distant smelt]

… DoF?
Sorry not ringing a bell atm might be dumb

[pliant ruin]

dragon of flames/fire

forgot which

[distant smelt]

Ooooh

[mighty zenith]

flame

[distant smelt]

Gotcha

[pliant ruin]

the fire elemnental dragon guy

[distant smelt]

The provi one?

[pliant ruin]

yep

he was like really evil and fucked up

personally i'm just on the headcanon that dude was just ridley right now

Like provi and yharim have these super complex ideologies as to WHY they're evil

but this guy dosent have any of that going on

hes just like

yep im evil

idk its fun lol

im gonna go burn down an orphagange because im bored

[long bloom]

burninating the peasants

[distant smelt]

“All impurities must turn to ash!”
Vs
“Fuck this village in particular”

[wheat walrus]

fatalis

[distant smelt]

Oh god

[wheat walrus]

god?

[pliant ruin]

i mean

dragon of flames is probably going to be a fairly standard medieval dragon in design from what i heard. and it breathes fire. and its like really fucking evil

i meannnnnnn

[distant smelt]

Wait fuck

No

[livid trail]

it's betsy prime

[distant smelt]

Betsy is just the flame dragon trust

She survived

[wheat walrus]

fatalis

[distant smelt]

Dont worry about how provi exists

[dusk laurel]

zaelithar the dread

[livid trail]

slime god is kinda fodder imagine having a whole ass auric soul only to be pre hardmode

[wheat walrus]

i do think its fire abilities should be more unique than fatalis' tho, thinking about teostra and lunastra for the mh comparisons

since, as i see it, fatalis is less the fire dragon and more just, the dragon

it just breathing a lot of fire comes with that

[glass tartan]

I wonder what they're expanding upon, in terms of lore.

[long bloom]

everything

[glass tartan]

Will they even introduce more monsters?

Other NPCs.

[long bloom]

except draedon

[distant smelt]

Imagine having your auric soul absorbed by a guy who loses to phm dungeon gear

[wheat walrus]

more what

[glass tartan]

Draedon got a lot.

Dude's on a Chef's kiss bit, now.

[wheat walrus]

true draedon has a lot

[glass tartan]

Monsters, mobs, entities.

Other Gods to look after.

[wheat walrus]

clothing

[long bloom]

no bosses until yharim

[dusk laurel]

yes

[pliant ruin]

Yeah the mod is heavily unfinished

There's gonna be way more content and alot of current content is gonna be reworked

[glass tartan]

Stop with the clothing >:C

[pliant ruin]

No more bosses until Yharim but rest assured there'll be alot of new enemies and ambient creatures and stuff

[distant smelt]

Something something evil boss 2

[wheat walrus]

p

[pliant ruin]

ppost moon lord per example has like nothing rn lol so that'll be getting alot of new enemies too

as for NPCs Statis and Braelor will be a thing eventually

No confirmation of any other than those two but for now they're a\tleast definitely going to show up

Well

There are the 4 sunken sea ghosts

[glass tartan]

Statis, alive?

[pliant ruin]

But they're not traditional NPCs

[glass tartan]

Press X to doubt

[split mortar]

So is braelor

[distant smelt]

…

[pliant ruin]

Statis has been alive for the entirety of the current lore

[glass tartan]

Hmm...

[pliant ruin]

Him and Braelor got stuck in the distortion, Statis got out through a bargain with Signus

He'll be a wandering NPC

[glass tartan]

Considering we've got some of the items from him...

[pliant ruin]

Will have a questline and shit

Braelor will also be a NPC but in the Distortion instead, albeit you'll be able to free him eventually, sending him back to the overworld

[wheat walrus]

they both r

but they're separated

because dog homophobia

[split mortar]

Signus seperated the gays

[distant smelt]

Im gonna be honest before i started talking in this channel i had no idea who statis was

[glass tartan]

Braelor will definitely have a melee-focused shop.

[dusk laurel]

again these are old and you craft them

[glass tartan]

Warriors all the way ❤️

[wheat walrus]

yea also signus

see

discriminations runs in the distortion

[glass tartan]

Fair point!

[wheat walrus]

my theory about dog having a reactive discrimination mechanism makes more sense

it's an adaptive fighter

it must adapt against its opps

[split mortar]

pfft

[distant smelt]

Adaptive?

[wheat walrus]

basically

[distant smelt]

Sacred treasure

[glass tartan]

Adaptive, I mean... the DoG's quite a powerhouse.

[wheat walrus]

yea

dogoraga

but it's a bit different from mahoraga

[split mortar]

Mahoraga vs DoG

[distant smelt]

Dog eats him

[wheat walrus]

the way i see it, it has all discriminations as innate traits, but only begins using them in reaction to who he's up against

or maybe, that's where the energy from him eating goes

he eats and learns to discriminate

[distant smelt]

The perfect bigot

[pliant ruin]

I believe he might give you items after you save him from the distortion

[wheat walrus]

energy/hate conversion

[pliant ruin]

So i can see it

[wheat walrus]

if what dog eats goes to noxus,,,

could you imagine noxus getting to mahoraga's wheel

well actually there is to consider

that dog has to destroy mahoraga's entire body in order to beat its adaptation

if it just swallows mahoraga, that would be an interesting scenario i think

[split mortar]

Mahoraga gets obliterated by noxus

[wheat walrus]

if this stands true, then mahoraga would be inside noxus

which makes me wonder whether that would destroy him or not

at this point we'd need to know how their insides are as an environment

[dusk laurel]

the idea of shops is something im opposed to especially for a cal npc like braelor is because every vanilla npc has a shop and its not really a fun or unique way of rewarding players with items

[wheat walrus]

if mahoraga isn't destroyed by it though, imagine mahoraga adapting to it

[dusk laurel]

thankfully amidias and permafrost are having their shops replaced eventually

[glass tartan]

Unique and special items, Infernum style melee shop items.

[light linden]

I still want a character that uses ranged weapons in the lore so bad

[long bloom]

draedon

[light linden]

draedon is literally never shown to use it

I'd argue he's more of a summoner

[long bloom]

he still uses it

[real silo]

Draedon's main weapon is a ranger weapon

john pulse rifle

[light linden]

yes but he's literally never shown using it

[long bloom]

yharim is never shown doing anything

he still exists

[limpid saddle]

remember when he had a sword

then he didnt

[real silo]

ok here

ares is a character and he uses guns

ranger character!

[light linden]

I mean

I'd argue ares only has one ranger weapon

his nuke launcher

[long bloom]

jailor is ranged damage, tesla arm same attack as jailor

[light linden]

the rest of his weapons are stuff that draedon's magic weapons produ-

I forgot about the jailor

[split mortar]

Ares is summon damage

[long bloom]

ah true

[real silo]

Nuh uh, his exoskeleton is

Laser cannon is absolutely a ranged weapon though

You can't deny that

Plasma is arguably mage but it can be ranger too

[heavy zenith]

Draedon is rogue damage💀

[real silo]

Draedon has no muscles he can't be rogue

Weak ass twig arms

[heavy zenith]

Lmao

[real silo]

This is why camarune is buff

[light linden]

apologies but uh

I don't think any laser cannons in this are ranged

closest is the particle accelerator

[real silo]

Anomaly's nanogun

[light linden]

tf is that

[real silo]

this guy doesn't know

laser gun

[light linden]

oh donor content

[eager bluff]

one (1) laser gun thats ranged

compared to like thirty (30) laser guns that are mage

[real silo]

doncare

[wanton pendant]

When are we getting the lore the people want! I want to know Ilmeris' trade policies both pre and during the crusade!

I can guess what they were post crusade.

[light linden]

I want to know about what types of alcohol the different civilizations drank

[wanton pendant]

You get it!

[real silo]

Ilmerans ate alcohol and drank dinner

[wanton pendant]

Did Ilmeris have pizza! Did Azafurians practice siesta! These are the questions the people want answered!

[real silo]

Since ilmeris is underground would they still trade with above ground people

Do they just have an above ground port city with a giant elevator that leads to the underground sea

[icy veldt]

Um... Ilmeris is pretty much dead, as far as I know

[real silo]

Ok mister obvious...

[brazen swallow]

not in our hearts

[real silo]

Sorry that eas rude

I was talking about in the past

Would they have had it when ilmeris wasn't a bowl of fish soup

Is that ender.

[long bloom]

holy shit

[wanton pendant]

Does that say Pikmin.

[leaden bridge]

Guy has never built a bubble column up to an artificially made port island for commerce and base access for the whole faction server

[pliant ruin]

no it says kirby

[leaden bridge]

That's right it's us

[pliant ruin]

Neko! Enderkirby Endlessvoid

[real silo]

Thas crazy

[leaden bridge]

We're not staying long

[real silo]

Ose

[long bloom]

haven't seen you here since 22

[leaden bridge]

We haven't either but you see the vision

[real silo]

I don't play minecraft I don't got a clue what you're saying

[brazen swallow]

yharim could never beat ilmeris because they destroyed their soul sand and magma bubble elevators

[brazen swallow]

certain blocks can make entities go up or down in water

[real silo]

huh

Crazy

[frosty charm]

writing is fun im getting sad over fictional characters i made specifically to be sad over

[real silo]

So real

[leaden bridge]

Well the thing is Yharim has both depth strider and aqua affinity

[brazen swallow]

you're doing a good job here then

🔥

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas had a channelling trident.

[brazen swallow]

but his soldiers don't so they can't really do anything

[real silo]

Some people are worldbuilders some are character writers

[brazen swallow]

calamitas had hacks...... killaura.........

[real silo]

Character writers are usually the ones who cry while coming up with a backstory/story arc

[brazen swallow]

I'm so much of a worldbuilder
I can't make characters for s

[real silo]

It's just so oeak

[brazen swallow]

I barely made my d&d character

[wanton pendant]

But Devils Never Cry.

[icy veldt]

I've dabbled in both, in the past

[frosty charm]

never cried from media byeah i am getting bummed over itLOL

[brazen swallow]

john devil may cry:

[leaden bridge]

They may

[real silo]

I've cried to three pieces of media

[frosty charm]

those are?

[brazen swallow]

ohh

[real silo]

The endings of kara no kyoukai, assassination classroom and arknights season 2

[brazen swallow]

oh damn

[leaden bridge]

arknights can't be that good

[brazen swallow]

the worst part of asking why someone reacted like that is that if I ask it'll be spoilers

[real silo]

it's pretty good

[long bloom]

does a youtube piano cover of an undertale song count as media
if so i've cried to media once

[real silo]

yes it does

[wanton pendant]

Sorry, I was too busy playing BTD6 for that one.

[brazen swallow]

this is so real tho

toby fox knows how to add emotion to music

[leaden bridge]

The only thing that counts as media are unnecessary sex scenes the makers put in

[frosty charm]

closest i've come is silent construct in rain world

[brazen swallow]

I nearly cried when I finished undertale

[long bloom]

(finale cover by epretroll)

[brazen swallow]

the horrors

[real silo]

you're unnecessary sex scenes

Stupender

[wanton pendant]

Get rollered.

[leaden bridge]

stupender doesn't work because its closer to stupendous than stupid

[frosty charm]

writers... i remember you're unecessary sex scenes.

[long bloom]

you end the stupendousness

[brazen swallow]

lmfao

[real silo]

endumb

[brazen swallow]

I love how most of the conversations here so insane

[wanton pendant]

Hey, I try to be somewhat tame.

[brazen swallow]

specifically in this channel

[real silo]

One of these is just because the song is so good

[brazen swallow]

one person (or two? if I count?) can only do so much unfortunately

[real silo]

The others is just pure feelings

[brazen swallow]

I love music I love setting the tone of a scene perfectly graaahhh

[real silo]

More like

Somewhat LAME

:owne

[wanton pendant]

Go to the Bully Den.

[real silo]

I love cows

[brazen swallow]

devourer of gods speech bubble

[frosty charm]

mon texts me "are you awake" after calling me two minutes ago

??? ok

[real silo]

Well are you awake

[leaden bridge]

Lore disc never changes they say

[frosty charm]

[brazen swallow]

hey you, you're finally awake

[real silo]

Idk what if you were answering in your sleep

You never know

[wanton pendant]

Tried to cross the border, like me, and that thief over there.

[leaden bridge]

Few people know that there's like key pieces of Calamity lore hidden in the Xenoblade Chronicles trilogy

[brazen swallow]

lmfao what

[leaden bridge]

They're basically required reading

Yet the devs never say this

[real silo]

Sounds like something cei would do yea

[leaden bridge]

You should all go play Xenoblade

Its true

[brazen swallow]

it would be so hilarious if it was real

cei please

[light linden]

@manic coral this true?

[brazen swallow]

cal devs please

[brazen swallow]

exoblade

[leaden bridge]

@gock is this true

[light linden]

I think cei does play xenoblade as well

[real silo]

Yes that's why I said cei

[wanton pendant]

Lore has changed. It’s no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It’s an endless series of proxy discussions fought by the illiterate and the clueless. Lore – and its consumption of life – has become a well-oiled machine. Lore has changed. ID-tagged users carry ID-tagged keyboards, use ID-tagged computers. Energy drinks inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. Lore has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control . . . All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass exposition. And he who controls the discussion . . . controls history. Lore has changed. When the discussion is under total control . . . Lore becomes routine.

[real silo]

Lore becomes poutine

[brazen swallow]

absolute cinema

[real silo]

Delicious

[long bloom]

ew alt is canadian

[manic coral]

that's dunban over there

[brazen swallow]

lmfao

[real silo]

I am not canadian

[leaden bridge]

This is to say you are all slacking and need to get on the grind writing theories
(Or that's what we'd say if there was anything else to write any theories about)

[light linden]

?

[wanton pendant]

Hey, I presented some theories!

[real silo]

I just know what poutine is because I saw it online

[leaden bridge]

alt is from kepler we thought this was known

[brazen swallow]

the first stage is always denial

[manic coral]

(yes i like xenoblade a lot)

[real silo]

Canadian people suck because they tolerate the french

[brazen swallow]

we need fnaf level theories about calamity lore

[wanton pendant]

I liked when Shulker Box said 'Time to Blade these Xenos!'

[leaden bridge]

@clock is this true

[real silo]

Didn't know malaysia was in kepler

[frosty charm]

im wondering how many chapters i should have from cultist (prologue) to noxus (final) and idk if each chapter should be a major fight or if there should be some without fighting inbetween

[manic coral]

anyways imma go back to bakign beef strogonoff

[frosty charm]

i'm not including every boss just the important ones

[wanton pendant]

You should have some pacing, not constant battles I think.

[manic coral]

but thsi also reminded me that like

[real silo]

xei make poutine please

[frosty charm]

she bakig

[leaden bridge]

Few know this

[light linden]

the hell is beef strogonoff?

[manic coral]

i should respond to something in caldev

[wanton pendant]

Since that's kinda the main issue people have with base Calamity right now!

[wheat walrus]

p

[distant smelt]

a strogonoff made of beef

[real silo]

Ender I've evolved from white role to blue role

After 5 years

[frosty charm]

yeah

dunno what the non-fighting chapters would be though

[wanton pendant]

Gives good position for character exploration.

[frosty charm]

although i do want one before the aerie climax

[brazen swallow]

grind

[wanton pendant]

You're blue now, that's my attack!

[frosty charm]

garbage brother smiley trashbag

[real silo]

[wheat walrus]

for the love of god

[mighty zenith]

blueless? no theres quite a lot of blue there

[real silo]

5 more and I'll be green

10 more and I'll be orange

[leaden bridge]

Well you see the problem is that there's not enough beef in that plate to sauce it up like that it's not like DELTARUNE or fnaf where there's a lot of beef that you could put completely difference sauces on that thing and they'd never touch you can only really put like a couple drops and it's too easy to cover the entire beef so there's not much to do

[wanton pendant]

Theory: Yharim is our father and we're a robot.

[frosty charm]

yeah calamity tells us our story

scott doesnt

and deltarune is unfinished

[leaden bridge]

neither of these three things have anything to do with the theorizing thing

[real silo]

Calamity is also unfinished

[mighty zenith]

roy lore

[wanton pendant]

Who the hell is Roy?

[leaden bridge]

Roy

[mighty zenith]

he's our boy

[leaden bridge]

Roy Calamities

[real silo]

This guy doesn't know about roy

Slime him

[long bloom]

love the guy

[frosty charm]

the reason they're so theory rich is because the story of fnaf is extremely cryptic and makes no fucking sense and deltarune because we're at a point where a lot of shit is possible

[leaden bridge]

Our favorite roy dialogue is when he said Yep! I'm Roy, im Roy!

Also because there's like actual writing to dissect and theorize about calamity is much smaller

[wheat walrus]

ender never changes,,,

[frosty charm]

• matpat game theory for fnaf so like

[leaden bridge]

Much less to do

[mighty zenith]

every interpretation of fnaf lore is a completely different story

[real silo]

My favorite roy line is when he woke up and said it's a royous day today

[mighty zenith]

because scott didnt bother writing one himself

[frosty charm]

its a wonderful day for roy

you can ask all the roys in the sky

[wanton pendant]

Alright, here's a theory from earlier.

[leaden bridge]

there's not much u can theorize about calamity lore that isn't either already obvious or kind of inconsequential

[frosty charm]

i believe he didn't think fnaf would take off and once he realized it was raking in the money he just kept going

i do think it WAS going to end at 3, then 4, then it just spiraled out of control

[real silo]

The most theory worthy thing cal has is distortion

[wanton pendant]

It was supposed to be a final game.

Before he quit.

[leaden bridge]

And like what you can theorize is really mostly just like, about characters/places who simply haven't been added yet

[mighty zenith]

he was literally changing shit on the spot and refused to confirm anything

for no real reason

other than to drive theorists mad

[wanton pendant]

It was to screw with MatPat, so it was all worth it in the end.

[leaden bridge]

Now now let's be more real

[frosty charm]

like when michael afton WAS the crying child (security logbook)

[leaden bridge]

Obviously Scott didn't go into any of the first four fnaf games thinking he'd make a multimedia franchise out of that

[wanton pendant]

If I were him I'd have a massive lore tome with a bunch of random details like what Foxy's catchprase in his old show was.

[leaden bridge]

So the writings always been flakey and shakey and uncertain because if it was certain then he couldn't just expand off it or leave it to be depending on whether or not he'd make more eventually

[faint totem]

Why the fuck are we talking about fnaf

[wanton pendant]

Frebby Fivebear.

[frosty charm]

theory landscape

s

[long bloom]

true

[leaden bridge]

By now he knows that and has undeniable grown as a writer so he actively goes and looks for unexplored details in previous games to expand from or use in his books and histories

[faint totem]

Freddy Fivehead

[faint totem]

Ah

[real silo]

Fnaf

Fer
N
A
Frost

[frosty charm]

fpernafrost

[leaden bridge]

Ultimately fnafs like overarching story is not that complicated frankly and most external sentiment comes from mattpat complicating it over the years tbh

[pliant ruin]

fnaf lore exists

it sure does

definitely one of the stories of all time

[real silo]

Hi bees

[pliant ruin]

we can finally be bees

[leaden bridge]

And like obviously it's been changed and retconned and expanded and it's nowhere near the most coherent planned out thing ever but it's rlly not that hard to understand what the overarching themes and plot of the franchise is

[frosty charm]

does it?

if you're bees then you should watch out for the 320,000,001 wasps that are following me

[pliant ruin]

five freddys lore isnt as complicated as people say it it's just
kind of convoluted and really not that good to be honest

It's really just

a story that exists

sure is

[real silo]

One of the stories of all time

[pliant ruin]

I wouldn't say it's horrible but it's also just yep. it exists

[leaden bridge]

Overall itstjust bad guy does bad things over weird paranormal scifi science also company bad

Company very bad

[pliant ruin]

company BAD.

[real silo]

That one speech is god damn amazing though can't lie

[pliant ruin]

the speech is pretty good it has aura

[frosty charm]

what is writing for, if not hype moments and aura?

[real silo]

The deepest darkest pit of hell has opened to swallow you whole, so don't keep the devil waiting, old friend 🔥 ✍️

[pliant ruin]

i definitely preffered the story around the fnaf 1 - fnaf 3 era

It still wasn't anything that great or anything

and it had a few plot holes here and there

But i did like how simple it was

[wanton pendant]

That's why Pikmin has the best writing because it includes a cooking guide for most enemies.

[frosty charm]

i told my bf i think SL should've been an alternate timeline or seperate franchise and he said "oh you're one of those" and proceded to have his friend argue for him and i'm still mad at him for it

[real silo]

Dungeon meshi

[leaden bridge]

Ngl deserve

[pliant ruin]

Of course that may be partially due to nostalgia blindness and all but i do think i preffered the simplicity of it

[wanton pendant]

How often does that come up for them?!

[frosty charm]

mutual friend likes fnaf and i was gonna stream SL before i got bored

worst game in the series btw

[wanton pendant]

Best game is FNAF 57.

[long bloom]

ture

[real silo]

Freddy in space

Fnaf world peams

[leaden bridge]

Our take away from this specific discussion is that you should play Xenoblade and like, Pikmin

[real silo]

No

[leaden bridge]

As sir nautilus once said "fuck you

[wanton pendant]

Play Pikmin.

[frosty charm]

should i get the 3ds xenoblade or is it like the worst version

[brazen swallow]

you can only get the xenoblade after the draedon xenomechs tho

[real silo]

Smh you're just a fabler

your words do not hurt me

[leaden bridge]

Yeah?

[long bloom]

i'm fabling it so hard rn

[leaden bridge]

We thought that was pretty explicit yeah

[pliant ruin]

xenoblade ive heard has a pretty good story but it requires me to use the power of emulation and im too lazy to do that and my pc sucks

so some other time

[leaden bridge]

Like the whole psst 3 years have been like

[brazen swallow]

fabling it and by it I mean my calamity

[leaden bridge]

About that

[pliant ruin]

píkmin good though

[real silo]

yes I know

[brazen swallow]

i haven't touched fables once
maybe after my current base calamity run

[real silo]

I'm more occupied with everything else

[pliant ruin]

ive played fables

for how little content it has currently it's cool

sir nautilus pretty damn swaggers boss fight

[brazen swallow]

very nice

[real silo]

cal, rp, drawing, and soon silksong

[brazen swallow]

silksong tomorrow

[leaden bridge]

rp

[real silo]

you heard me

[wanton pendant]

TRUE!

[leaden bridge]

we're JUDGING

[real silo]

you judge wrong

tell me ender what do you think the rp is

[pliant ruin]

you see you're actually the minority here because most of this chat including developers participate in the roleplay so YOU will be the one discriminated against

[real silo]

Cheese don't say anything

[leaden bridge]

automatically thought of a very funny answer but we don't think the mods want us to say that

[real silo]

Fuck

[pliant ruin]

WE are the racists you are the RACE

[wanton pendant]

Ok, wow, not everyone is in your roleplay.

[brazen swallow]

[pliant ruin]

i think this might be my worst message to this day

[long bloom]

i would like to be but idk the secret code

[real silo]

Ok well I was saying things I was occupied with not things that lore chat is occupied with

[leaden bridge]

The code is 1225

[brazen swallow]

wdym it's modern poetry

[wanton pendant]

Oh, the secret code is CL4M1TY.

[leaden bridge]

If that's modern poetry you really need to like read books with like plots

[wanton pendant]

Just don't know where to input it.

[real silo]

and no the rp is not sexual that's weird

it's more like dnd but not really

Or collaborative storywriting

[brazen swallow]

that sounds pretty cool

[pliant ruin]

what do you mean have you never heard shakespeare as he said

we are the racists you are the race

[brazen swallow]

I can't
I'm an undertale fan

[long bloom]

tragic

[real silo]

So glad I'm not a utdr fan

[brazen swallow]

[wanton pendant]

I'm a Pikmin fan, so I can read cookbooks and scientific journals, and also advertisements.

[brazen swallow]

real

[real silo]

Where my 39 clues readers at

[long bloom]

pikmin more like

[brazen swallow]

[long bloom]

peakmin

(i haven't played it)

[real silo]

stinkmin?

o

[wanton pendant]

You should fix that.

[long bloom]

no bias detected

[brazen swallow]

calamkin

calamin

pikmin calamity mod

[leaden bridge]

The fundamental problem with that logic is that like few people have ever been to the highlands, so it's lowkey problematic for you to imply everyone who lives in the valleys ACTUALLY wants the highland dwarfs dead cuz like it's really just a small political movement few people have any stance on bros they just don't know what dwarf life is, and like it's not our fault the dwarfs REFUSE to install the Portal Transit System so more people can like visit from the Valley? Like we understand the dwarfs don't have very good relationships with us but it'd help if us of Nostrer weren't forced to do a 5 mile trek just to try and get approved for entry to the Callahan Fort

[pliant ruin]

ok grandpa lets get you to bed

[brazen swallow]

what the

[long bloom]

❓

[wanton pendant]

Someone hasn't been paying attention to the diplomatic summits, the Dwarf King has been in fierce talks with the Valley Men Chief over this matter and the situation continues to develop.

[long bloom]

this has the same vibes as lorem ipsum somehow

[wanton pendant]

When does Calamitas character discussion start?

[cloud ibex]

right now

[wanton pendant]

YO!

[cloud ibex]

what kind of food do you think she would like

[long bloom]

grilb chese

[brazen swallow]

ice cream

[wanton pendant]

Ice-Cream.

[leaden bridge]

that's not really meaningful though because both sides get constant protests by both the Dwarf Rights Coalition and the Valley Monumenta party

[wanton pendant]

You think you can cut through the bureaucratic red tape better than them? You'd be eaten alive in politics.

[brazen swallow]

I feel like if someone was explaining calamity lore to a victorian child and I'm the victorian child

[leaden bridge]

Well we never said that

[real silo]

Would calamitas form a trio with a super short girl and a super tall enby

Like is that something she'd do

[wanton pendant]

Probably not.

[brazen swallow]

deltalamity

she would only form a trio with her brothers I think

[leaden bridge]

We're just saying like ultimately both Nostrer and Yalus have little to do with the dwarf opposition, like overall it's a minor group and we're not IMPLYING anything but they're also commonly outsiders to the valley as a whole, like we don't have anything against the elves of Saturn Forest but they keep shitting out just horrible people

[leaden bridge]

No

[cloud ibex]

what the hell are you people talking about

[wanton pendant]

It's an incredibly delicate situation, and if handled poorly could re-ignite the damn Valley War, so I think you should leave things to the experts rather then making broad strokes!

[brazen swallow]

same question here lmfao

[real silo]

Cheese they're all disagreeing with me

[leaden bridge]

it's not re igniting the damn valley war and like even if it could the dwarfs would lose anyway? It wouldn't be in their interest? Without a portal relay they're much less communicated than us

[real silo]

this is tragic

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[leaden bridge]

We can just import soldiers from Alteria

[real silo]

Alteria like

[pliant ruin]

specially if said super tall enby is a disciple of permafrost and said super short girl has notably bad mana reserves !

[wanton pendant]

Dwarf culture puts honour far above common sense, many of their politicians would rather death before dishonour!

[pliant ruin]

what hte fuck are you people talking about

[wanton pendant]

You're running the risk of them all marching to their deaths over a petty dispute!

[leaden bridge]

What's the dishonor on a trade agreement though like what's up with the dwarfs

[real silo]

Yeah!

[wanton pendant]

They have a very convoluted culture about respect and honour.

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

If you didn't even know that you are in no way qualified to comment.

[brazen swallow]

[real silo]

0 days have passed since I shilled the rp

I should leave calamain and stop terrorizing lore chat

[leaden bridge]

It's not like we're outmining them we WANT to trade with them for their metals! We're literally just offering food which they DESPERATELY NEED the food shortage of Callahan fortress is something EVERYONE knows about, even Tree Ents know about it! And they live in the reclusive swamps of Goltimar! They don't have portal relays there either!

[cloud ibex]

can you go talk about fantasy politics or whatever somewhere else

[leaden bridge]

We've offered it for free and you know they wanted it less when we did, it's only a trade agreement because they hate charity

[wanton pendant]

The Dwarf King is trying to reform his government, and this is one of the many steps needed to take. He walks on a diplomatic mine field and frankly you're being quite disrespectful to the first competent leader they've had in centuries!

[real silo]

Rate my material lore

[leaden bridge]

Anyways guys as you can see this is a small exercise on communal world building

Just make up shit

And let people build off that

[wanton pendant]

I was the only one doing anything.

It's not communal if it's two people.

[leaden bridge]

it is 😊

[faint totem]

Oooo

[brazen swallow]

nice

[leaden bridge]

Don't understate your contributiond

[brazen swallow]

howdy creature

[wanton pendant]

Anyway that lore is cool I think.

[brazen swallow]

about the blob
obligatory MGR nanomachines joke

[real silo]

Yeah

[brazen swallow]

[real silo]

the thought behind them is

Meld is the nervous system of space creatures

[leaden bridge]

mana ball

[real silo]

Moon lord, deus, pillars

[faint totem]

Meld Constructs Son! They harden in response to incoming threats!

[brazen swallow]

exactly

[real silo]

and since they're space creatures, they have to survive against shit like asteroids

[brazen swallow]

ohh interesting

[wanton pendant]

So we're using alien spines to make clothing?

[real silo]

so their brains harden when they sense asteroids

[real silo]

Yes