lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

Well, again, it has to be around 15 years ago, since we know she's 28, give or take a year.

And she joined in her early teens.

[heavy zenith]

wait no way, does it say that in the game?

[wanton pendant]

Multiple devs have put her at 27-29, most often I've ever seen is 28.

[heavy zenith]

ah

[wanton pendant]

Never stated in game at present.

Old lore did present her as being extremely old I think, but current lore she's quite young compared to the rest of the cast.

(Yharim is like, 130+, Permafrost is like, 200 or something crazy.)

[heavy zenith]

damn

[wanton pendant]

No definitve age for him that I'm aware, just that he uses some kind of magic shenanigans to age slowly. He's much older then Yharim, who is literally dying of old age in the next ten years.

And Draedon you're likely aware is over 660 years old.

Actually, now that I run the numbers, the current year has to be at minimum 1887.

Since Draedon claims to have, you know, over 660 years of experience.

So that means Draedon left around 12 years prior, 1875.

That means Calamitas left at around 16 at the latest, assuming she's 28.

Assuming she left the same year Draedon did, which isn't completely unreasonable.

This would also put Calamitas as having served Yharim for 3 years at most.

[limpid saddle]

(i thought Permafrost was 500+)

[wanton pendant]

I tried checking for an age but I couldn't find one!

If you can find any statement on his age, please share.

[heavy zenith]

Permafrost is at least a year old

like at the very least

[wanton pendant]

Probably even more then that.

[limpid saddle]

i distinctly remember a definitive dev statement about his age but i cant find it for the life of me

Man if only somebody would, compile this information from statements into some kind of

lore document

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, cause the current one exclusively uses in-game information, the bestiary error included, and unless it's been updated it doesn't use dev statements.

[limpid saddle]

I did find cei dropped permafrost dialouge a while back though

[wanton pendant]

Oh, they showed some of his new lines?

[limpid saddle]

cough

OH WAIT

THIS CONFIRMS AGE!

DIALOUGE SAYS 'THREE HUNDRED YEARS LATER' MEANING WE CAN ASSUME HES AT LEAST 400

Only in giving up my search did I find my answer

how poetic

[wanton pendant]

No, he says he's 400.

Scroll a bit further down.

'In all of my four-hundred years,'

[heavy zenith]

gosh I love how in depth they are going to go into things

can't wait

[wanton pendant]

Remember, mana is stored in the bones.

Alright, so;
Yharim: 130+
Permafrost: 400+
Draedon: 660+
Yharon: 2000+
DoG: Unknown, potentially younger then the above.
Calamitas: 28
Compared to the othes she's practically a baby.

[heavy zenith]

Storm Weaver: older than DoG question mark

[wanton pendant]

It's not impossible DoG was created during the crusade for the specific purpose of extracting godly essence for Noxus, but that's pure speculation. Storm Weaver is actually older, according to Draedon.

'In fact, from what little I have grasped about both Serpents' biology, the Storm Weaver may have been older than the Devourer despite the sheer difference in power and size. However, I am not confident enough in this conjecture to state it as fact.'

So it's a hard maybe.

[long bloom]

i mean

isn't it so convenient that the perfect god eating machine showed up on yharim's doorstep at the perfect time

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's the basis for the theory.

But it's also not unreasonable that DoG had been silently stealing away weaker gods in the night for some time.

He is certainly much older then Calamitas, regardless.

The crusade was really the old squad and a teenager.

[heavy zenith]

God v Calamitas: "The Boulder is conflicted about fighting an underage girl"

[wanton pendant]

'Angry swearing.'

[cloud ibex]

compared to the others yharim is practically a baby

cal is a fuckin zygote

[mighty zenith]

the lore that makes you old

[long bloom]

amoebalamitas

[icy veldt]

What effect does Cal's extreme amount of magical power have on her lifespan? I assume she can't make herself live longer the same way Perm does, since she's mostly got brimstone magic and isn't very talented with ice magic (barring the construction of Cryogen, which I assume was taught to her by her mentor, making it skill-based and not talent-based) and her body's internals are very hot and not very cold like Perm's

[limpid saddle]

Well Permafrost doesn't inherently have colder blood, through ice magic he to my understanding preserves his cells while keeping them functional? Im not sure if we've ever gotten an exact explanation but thats the rough idea, similarly the Brimstone Magic doesn't make Calamitas blood run hotter, maybe when shes pulling off a very extreme use of it like grilling Illmeris it would, but not under normal circumstances

So she could use the same preservation methods as Permafrost if he did teach her how to use them

[icy veldt]

Ah, I see. So her fancy flameproof robes are just for when she is using magic- WAIT THAT'S WHY SHE NEEDED THEM: To fight against the Terrarian, whom she started fearing!

[limpid saddle]

It all makes sense...

I do imagine if she did use the same tricks as Permafrost it would probably be at the cost of her Brimstone Magic, or at least its effectiveness

Because y'know, setting things on fire tends to produce heat

[icy veldt]

Also, would just having all that magical power inside her have an adverse effect on her lifespan? I swear, if she's doomed to die at 35 from brimstone bone cancer, I will start a riot

[split mortar]

Mix brimstone and ice to make a cold brimflame

[wanton pendant]

I was thinking that her magic could either a. The sheer power actually keeps her alive and will make her live much, much longer, or b. It will eventually tear her body apart.

[limpid saddle]

We have no clue how Calamitas physiology & her brimstone-absorbing bones would impact her

& we technically dont know the hypothetical 'worst outcome' until we see Calamitas Clone get all done up for her revamp

[wanton pendant]

Like, I don't know the power could make her a 'pseudo-elemental' of sorts and she's now immortal or something.

[long bloom]

seems unlikely

[limpid saddle]

Seems like a bit of a stretch

[wanton pendant]

Or maybe she's just more at risk of bone cancer.

[limpid saddle]

I wonder if those with mana-dense bones are more prone to magic-based diseases

[wanton pendant]

That's how it is in real life.

Dense bones are more likely to get diseases.

Because there's more bone to get diseases.

[split mortar]

I dont think she is immortal from it

[long bloom]

what if the most powerful mage had so much mana in their bones it developed the astral infection

that would fucking suck

[wanton pendant]

Magic cancer.

Maybe Permafrost taught her how to live longer.

[limpid saddle]

that would also be a sick asf character

[split mortar]

I imagine it being in a creature helps stop that but also lmao

[icy veldt]

There's some horrifying IRL disease where the person's body isn't able to regenerate muscle tissue correctly, so it uses bone matter instead, so eventually the person dies in an internal prison made of their own bones

[long bloom]

astral permafrost superboss when

[wanton pendant]

I've heard of that.

[icy veldt]

I don't remember the name of it, though

[split mortar]

Astral calamitas zombie

[limpid saddle]

Hunt of The New Gods coming 2046

[long bloom]

🔥

[wanton pendant]

The funny option is that she should have a much shorter lifespan but Permafrost taught her how to live longer so she ends up living longer then normal anyway.

[icy veldt]

The fight ends with the Terrarian helping Calamitas power her way back out and fight against the infection's will that hijacked her body, so she regains control. Right? Right? Please tell me I'm right 😭

[limpid saddle]

I remember me & some other guy were talking about a hypothetical Plague Calamitas Clone fight

[wanton pendant]

I thought of something like that before.

[limpid saddle]

It was a fun hypothetical

[wheat walrus]

aaagh

[wanton pendant]

If AD is any indication, then yes!

[limpid saddle]

Just to think 'ooh what if Plague got sentient people & brimstone?' also because it was fun to think of a design for zombie c.c

[wanton pendant]

I had a VERY dark backstory for such a thing.

[limpid saddle]

I just imagined 'after the fight we dont see where her corpse goes so the plague manages to break into the life-support system & reanimate her'

[icy veldt]

Tell us

[limpid saddle]

Now that Calamitas Clone spare option is being implemented (definetly being implemented) [probably] (definetly] [maybe] i have not bothered with such hypotheticals

[wanton pendant]

Alright, so it was an alternate future boss, since the Future Bosses were an inspiration, right.
So basically Calamitas actually killed Permafrost and came back to Yharim, but this breaks her heart and her performance plummets.
Yharim doesn't like this, and as time goes on he becomes more and more desperate to get his ultimate weapon back to full power.
So, he does something so horrible even our timeline's Yharim will comment with utter disgust on.
He has Draedon be Draedon and make her more powerful and cooperative.
So she becomes a mindless cyborg, bound to Yharim's will, at the cost of her magic potential diminishing she now has powerful weaponry and capable of physical combat.

[icy veldt]

...Holy crap, that's intense

[limpid saddle]

Damn complete departure from my idea

[wanton pendant]

I said it was dark.

[limpid saddle]

what made you consider them similar?

[wanton pendant]

Like, so bad even her lore item would have Yharim be obviously horrified and say it was more a mercy that you kill her.

Since that would be bad, even for him.

[icy veldt]

Spare option to free her from cybernetic control?

[wanton pendant]

There's nothing left of her original mind anymore....

[limpid saddle]

well its a future boss

[icy veldt]

Aw

[limpid saddle]

& she did get lobotomized

[icy veldt]

Specifically a fanmade alternate future boss

[wanton pendant]

Pretty much.

[icy veldt]

NOOOOOOO

[wanton pendant]

Again, so bad even Yharim thinks it's too far.

Well, our timeline's Yharim.

[long bloom]

calobotomy

[icy veldt]

Calobotomy 💀

[wanton pendant]

The other alternate future boss ideas were way more tame, even the darker ones.

That's like, the most extreme lore I came up with.

DoG is like second and it's way further.

[limpid saddle]

did he eat everyone

[wanton pendant]

No, he eats Calamitas, her power is overwhelming and turns him into a necromantic abomination, and then he eats everyone.

Specifically, she's executed by being eaten.

[long bloom]

metastasis toolti-

💥

[limpid saddle]

TENGAL NOOOOOOO

[wanton pendant]

That, to be fair, was the inspiration, the concept was 'what scenario would get the closest to that actually happening', since obviously it's not meant to be taken literally.

And the simplest answer was he eats Calamitas.

[limpid saddle]

Really bad acid reflux & he crashes out about it got it

[icy veldt]

😳

[wanton pendant]

The idea being Calamitas does all her normal stuff, but then gets captured by Yharim, let's say she attacked a band of the army but Yharim arrives and beats her. Not wanting to risk any complication with killing her, he feeds her to the devourer. That ends poorly. Catastrophe and Cataclysm flank him now, it's unclear as to whether they've mistaken him for their sister, or if they are mourning her and trying to defend what's left of her.

The other ideas I had were way more lightheared in comparison.

[icy veldt]

Aww 😢

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry, one of the scenarios I imagined had Calamitas perfectly fine with Permafrost!
After being broken out by him as a slave to the God-King, now that I think about it I did get pretty dark with that one too.

There was one that was lighthearted, ok, at least one.

Lunatic Cultist turns himself into a dragon, funniest thing I've ever seen. Nobody is quite sure how the hell he did it.

[faint totem]

It’s the will of the Lunatic

[magic epoch]

the first ascension

[wanton pendant]

Also, to elaborate on the theory from earlier, I kind of imagine the behaviour to just be another instance of unhealthy coping, and she very much is doing it at the expense of her own health.

[frosty charm]

how sentient is ravager

like do they have a little bit of agnus in there or are they long gone

[wanton pendant]

It's a zombie.

It's a zombie, I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[frosty charm]

Why'd you repeat yourself

[wanton pendant]

It's a zombie. Join the horde.

[icy veldt]

Eibmoz a s'ti

[alpine jetty]

HIII!!

[magic epoch]

WTFRICK HI BABE

[alpine jetty]

HII!!

i just beat deltarune

[magic epoch]

GG

[alpine jetty]

i didnt do the ch3 or 4 secret bosses

[wanton pendant]

Is there a lore reason for beating Deltarune?

The Knight.

[alpine jetty]

because chapter 4 was making me sad and i just wanted to finish it

ngl i was so close to crying

[magic epoch]

[wanton pendant]

Why is the marshmallow Lego man being beaten over the head?

[magic epoch]

holy shit Mr ebast

[wanton pendant]

Mr. Beast!?

Oh, wait, it's Elon, nevermind.

[hoary cape]

mr breast

[fleet wedge]

So kind of like XC-39 Oizys?

[wanton pendant]

No clue what that is.

[fleet wedge]

insert the tvtropes link/reference and the "we need to kill ai artist" meme

[wheat walrus]

true

[wanton pendant]

Alright, we need lore to discuss, give me your theories.

[fleet wedge]

Holy crap it's Vetrasyl

[ivory vigil]

The terrarian is a god no one realises it yet

[wanton pendant]

That, uh, contradicts a lot of things.

Including, humorously, The Terrarian Is You idea.

[fleet wedge]

Wdym calmain
I'm pretty sure it's in a different server?
Or are there multiple roleplays

[wanton pendant]

I presume this server is 'Calmain'.

But I believe a bunch of people around here are part of a big roleplay. Or something. I'm not part of it so don't expect me to know the details.

[wheat walrus]

we need a ghostbuster now that melon mentions it

[wheat walrus]

subserver

that has a roleplay

[wanton pendant]

The hell is a subserver?

[wheat walrus]

server that roots from another server

the subserver im talking abt is a private server, centering lore in specific, made by a bunch of ppl here

basically think of when ppl make smaller servers to branch off from big public servers like this one

[wanton pendant]

I've never heard of anything like that before. Are you saying it's not its own private server but is actually part of this one, just closed from the public? Is that a thing Discord has?

[wheat walrus]

it's its own server

just

made by ppl here for ppl here

[wheat walrus]

^

[wanton pendant]

Then why call it a subserver if it's its own thing?

[wheat walrus]

imagine if i made a private server and invited a bunch of ppl from #calamity-addon-talk and made it a small private community for ppl who are regulars in that channel

[wheat walrus]

it's a term that is used for this stuff

💔

"why call it this" why not

[wanton pendant]

Look, I don't Discordmax, so I've never heard of anything like that before.

[wheat walrus]

fair enough

anyways subserver culture, at least in cal community, is kinda mid icl

[wanton pendant]

'Icl?'

[wheat walrus]

i cant lie

[wanton pendant]

I can't imagine it being that big of a thing, since otherwise you'd think I'd have heard about it before now.

[wheat walrus]

quickly turns into those memes of ppl making smaller and smaller servers to filter out ppl they dont like as much to talk behind backs

[wheat walrus]

no shot it's not a big thing

but there's been a trend for calmain ppl to make smaller, private servers and take a bunch of ppl w them for years

[wanton pendant]

Obviously to get away from people asking if WotG is canon.

[wheat walrus]

well that can be a reason

big public servers r kinda mid, especially if the more active ppl in them start getting closer, then you'd want to be in smaller and/or private communities

[wanton pendant]

And then they begin playing D&D?

[wheat walrus]

mayb

iirc the one i was talking abt earlier was also doing a dnd thing

but idk atp

[wanton pendant]

Well, I'd assume the roleplay server is doing some kind of roleplay.

[wheat walrus]

it isn't a rp server, but rp became a central thing earlier this year in there

so yk

[ivory vigil]

If the terrarian isn't a god that just means the terrarian is THEM. They are just that good at killing gods and such

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, pretty much.

[ivory vigil]

Wait really

That's just it

The Terrarian is just randomly crazy AF at doing nearly everything

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian is up to you, but I would generally say that that doesn't account for blatantly contradicting the plot.

So you can't be a god, otherwise Yharim wouldn't ever trust you or be nice.

But you can just be some locked in guy.

Or lose a bet.

[ivory vigil]

Greatest headcannon. The Terarian is just extremely locked in

[split mortar]

Its not even a rp dedicated server the rp has just grown to like be half the activity since the rp was made in january

[split mortar]

True

[wanton pendant]

Well sorry for not being in the exclusive club, because I don't know what they do in said club.

I've seen the plushy prices, I don't wanna know the membership premium.

[split mortar]

There is also a dnd in the server yeah
Not as prevalent as the rp

[brazen swallow]

terrarian ate a single vitamin c pill over the recommended

[wanton pendant]

I think that saying 'My Terrarian did xyz before the game started' with the express intent of undermining the narrative is ridiculous, especially when some people try to use it as an argument when discussing the lore.

[split mortar]

The horrors

[brazen swallow]

ye
specially when the gameplay and lore can't really be balanced easily (like terraria)

[wanton pendant]

Like, when discussing how Slime God is relevant to the story as the first god the Terrarian fights, saying that 'well my Terrarian already killed a bunch of gods' doesn't really make a good counter argument.

[brazen swallow]

true

[visual kiln]

hello lore discussion

[visual kiln]

omni

[wheat walrus]

aza

[visual kiln]

hiihhihihi :>

[wanton pendant]

Hello.

WhatsApp.

Why is she sand under table?

[wheat walrus]

hai

[visual kiln]

im alive

meow

[wanton pendant]

Furry.

[wheat walrus]

can someone speech bubble water for me 😔

mods where you at

[wanton pendant]

What?

[wheat walrus]

blows you up w 「超絶的な劫火」

[wanton pendant]

I don't speak French.

Unless the government asks. Then I do.

[wheat walrus]

p

[visual kiln]

p

[wanton pendant]

b

[icy veldt]

d

[wanton pendant]

Do we have a list of crimes commited by Yharim so far?

[distant smelt]

I think unless it’s obscenely out of character then the answer to what crimes has yharim commited is yes

[frosty charm]

what does yharim think of the dragon cult if anything

[wanton pendant]

Former allies.

He thinks they're crazy.

[distant smelt]

Heart in the right place but utterly delusional

[frosty charm]

i'm trying to write yharim dialogue rn and they just killed the cultists so

[wanton pendant]

(Even if he dumped a bunch of people into their house.)
(And they died. And turned into an amalgamate.)

Yharim has a very specific way of speaking that isn't very hard to replicate I think.

[distant smelt]

Yharim try not to fuck over your allies challenge

[frosty charm]

he seems to use fancier words a lot

[wanton pendant]

It's more then that.

[frosty charm]

you don't get the strat bro

[frosty charm]

well i know

[wanton pendant]

The cadence, how he structures his statements.

[frosty charm]

im gonna reread all of the lore items and probably embers (unless it doesn't feature yharim then i'll put it off)

[wanton pendant]

He always ends with a conclusion, either expressing regret or doubling down, he's never really ambivalent.

I don't think Embers has Yharim, but it has Xeroc I hear.

Haven't read the whole thing.

[frosty charm]

i don't think i want xeroc to speak at all in the story

or noxus

[wanton pendant]

Reading the lore items is the best way to get an idea of how Yharim speaks.

[frosty charm]

yea

im just tryna figure out if he would say something along the lines of "unfortunate" or "well done" whenever they're dead

since the protag talks to him via suspiciously orange geode (someone said lore items are gonna get turned to magic stone so that's my next best idea)

[wanton pendant]

In the base game, Yharim doesn't comment on Cultist dying at all, he talks about Zeratros instead.

And Moon Lord.

[frosty charm]

yea, its not much beyond a comment of "I see you've killed these guys" before he rambles (probably just a near direct rip of the lore item since I don't see anything that should be changed)

though i might just have him skip straight to rambling idk

[wanton pendant]

Probably something about them having misguided zeal, like the Skeletron entry.

I don't know, maybe an 'Alas, their obession was their downfall.' with no self awareness.

[frosty charm]

byeah the idea i had for protag 4 is that they're like, super loosely related to the dragons. like a descendant of whatever dragonfolly is but somewhat humanoid, so the amount of dragon in them is like 0.01%. yharim's kind of latching onto that though and going "well don't you want to learn about your history?" (protag 4 doesn't remember their history) while giving their version of events

[wanton pendant]

That does sound pretty Yharim 'Number 1 Dragon Fan' Godseeker.

[frosty charm]

since the idea i get from yharim is that

• he likes the dragons a lot (obviously)
• he wants YOU to continue the crusades (since i felt it'd be awkward to have him speak to all four who are almost entirely against him, i made it so they only speak to protag 4)
• he's not directly telling you "now hit the second tower" but is trying to sway you to his side by calling the gods genocidal maniacs and painting himself as a misguided hero (obviously not true, but to someone who doesn't know better it might work

[wanton pendant]

I'd argue that Yharim fully believes he's in the right, not even a deliberate painting he just does that because that's what he believes. He never lies by anything other then omission, and it's not unreasonable that he himself is completely convinced he's in the right.

So he's not trying to manipulate, he's literally just saying his opinion. It's just his opinion is delusional.

[frosty charm]

oh yea

i dont think he believes anything other than what he directly state he regrets is wrong

but the fact is that he is painting himself as a misguided hero, and even if it's genuinely what he believes it's just not true

maybe once it was

[wanton pendant]

Like, to a degree his grooming of Calamitas was literally just him telling her his deranged beliefs, and as an impressionable and traumatized 13 year old she believed him. 'See those priests, they're evil. Good guys kill evil people like them.'

[frosty charm]

also what is providence's deal in the new lore doesn't she just want to kill everything

[wanton pendant]

Yeah pretty much.

Same as in the old lore, but less flying into the sun.

She's also more gay. But I believe she's also homophobic.

[frosty charm]

also does the protag even kill provi and the other miscellaneous gods or do they all just fuck off after losing

provi dies in the story regardless but i am curious

[wanton pendant]

Providence dies.

[frosty charm]

alr

[wanton pendant]

Slime God dies during the rematch.

[frosty charm]

isnt the rematch queen slime

[wanton pendant]

Uhh... I don't think there are other gods.

Yeah.

[frosty charm]

the devourer is probably like at least 10% god if his name is accurate

[wanton pendant]

Ravager is already dead.

No, he's not.

He's just a narcissist.

[frosty charm]

so has he not eaten a single god

[wanton pendant]

He has.

But eating gods doesn't make you a god.

[frosty charm]

(not naturally i mean there's 10% of a god in his bellay)

[wanton pendant]

And the gods are being funnelled somewhere. (Noxus, almost certainly.)

[frosty charm]

i still need to think of a noxus design

but it's less important since it's at the very end soo

[wanton pendant]

You gotta eat a dragon's soul to become a god.

And all but one god who did so are human. That we know of, of course.

[frosty charm]

is the slime god the only non-human god or did they just get extremely unlucky with their dragon of choice

[wanton pendant]

No, Slime God was human.

They were gender-fluid. Now they're gender-slime.

[frosty charm]

so yeah they just got the lamest dragon

[wanton pendant]

I believe it was Dragon of Gluttony.

Or, Gloomborf, as some have taken to calling them.

[frosty charm]

i wonder what yharim would think of you indirectly freeing ML, would he go "you got this" or "you shouldn't have done that good luck"

[wanton pendant]

He'd likely be happy that you're putting him down.

[frosty charm]

so he'd believe that you could

[wanton pendant]

I mean, isn't it all his intention?

[frosty charm]

cause how i'm writing the yharim interaction in the prologue is that they say what's in requiem before commenting on them slaying the dragon cult, indirectly freeing the moon lord. they then wish them good luck as the chapter ends

is that fitting enough

[wanton pendant]

I mean, it's not indirect. They are literally the one thing keeping him from returning to Earth.

[frosty charm]

fair but it wasn't really the party's intention to free them

[wanton pendant]

"The men at the front of the dungeon are performing a ritual to keep the Moon Lord contained in his prison. In order to gain Yharim's attention, however, you may need to defeat them."

They just ignoring Amidias, huh?

Just murdering cultists for the love of the game?

[frosty charm]

to be fair it was self defense (the cult attacks first)

[frosty charm]

also yes (lowk forget he exists sometimes)

[wanton pendant]

It's their house.

[frosty charm]

not anymore

[wanton pendant]

Well, they're gonna do a bunch of rewrites for SSO, so not every line (that isn't Yharim's and Draedon's, they're up to date) are final. So it's not unreasonable to ignore Amidias since I think he's getting rewrites too.

[frosty charm]

like i said i also just forgot about him im gonna be real

even ingame i just use him for abyss exploration

[wanton pendant]

How could you forget Peakidias?

[frosty charm]

do you think yharim would be the type to say "sorry for your loss" cause he seems quite polite to the player through lore

but i don't put it past him to just

not care

[wanton pendant]

So long as the one who's lost wasn't idealogically opposed to Yharim. And it would likely be a hollow statement.

[frosty charm]

yea

[wanton pendant]

For reference, to my memory, at no point Yharim acknowledges Permafrost adopted Calamitas. He'd have to know, so he's either wilfully ignorant, or he doesn't care about family, only loyalty.

Even Draedon notices their connection.

Draedon.

[frosty charm]

yeahh

also does he still work with the devourer by the time of the game or are they formally divorced

[wanton pendant]

Nominally still allied, most likely, but no longer in contact for obvious reasons.

[icy veldt]

I think I've worded it something like this before: "The first person to be convinced by Yharim's lies is Yharim himself"

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, I agree with that notion.

Yharim isn't trying to convince you of his cause, he's just saying how he thinks it is. How he thinks it is is crazy, of course.

He literally can't think of why you wouldn't side with him.

[icy veldt]

Unfortunately, we're not yet able to keep her as a cat-like goddess-pet

[wanton pendant]

Thank goodness for that.

[icy veldt]

😔

[wanton pendant]

It's probably why he's so harsh on the devout, he literally can't understand why they would follow a god, which he views as pure evil, thus anyone who does must also be evil.

[icy veldt]

Provy when she reads my mind before I fight her: "You want to do WHAT? I'd prefer just dying tbh"

Provy after I fight her: "meow"

[glacial rampart]

[wanton pendant]

But yeah, Devourer was working with Yharim since at least a bit over a year ago. There's no reason to indicate their alliance was annulled. But again, they can't really coordinate anymore.

[frosty charm]

yeah, i honestly wouldnt be surprised if the depiction of them all slaughtering dragons to be at least partially a lie

[wanton pendant]

It's almost certainly a lie.

But he believes it.

He's sure of it.

[frosty charm]

like 100% most of them were but considering how ambiguous the ascension of xeroc was

[icy veldt]

It's dragon season

[wanton pendant]

Because his source was a dragon, who would obviously be a bit upset.

At all the dragons being dead, and also having been murdered.

Yharon probably just assumed ALL dragons were murdered.

[frosty charm]

like 100% some of them were murdered

[wanton pendant]

And Yharim wouldn't hear any other story.

[icy veldt]

A dragon who was entirely okay with millions of innocents being murdered, despite claiming to be a "benevolent protector"

[wanton pendant]

No, most of them were probably murdered.

[wanton pendant]

*Billions.

[frosty charm]

but i wouldnt be surprised if a dying zeratos offered their powers to the person who protected them instead of him just

mauling them and eating their soul

i dont know how he would have figured out the ritual otherwise

[wanton pendant]

But a minority lost their souls for other reasons.

[icy veldt]

Huh, I see. Like the entire world was a planet-wide Verdun or something

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc just kinda invented the ritual on the spot.

[icy veldt]

(Not exactly, but you get the point)

[wanton pendant]

And I think almost every other god didn't do it right, except Silva I think. I believe we don't know of any 'perfect ascension' gods other then Xeroc and Silva.

[frosty charm]

maybe to have a perfect ascension it has to be two willing souls

instead of one forcibly consuming the other

[wanton pendant]

Oh that's not a Warhammer reference give me a minute.

[wanton pendant]

That may be a component.

[icy veldt]

PFFFFT

[wanton pendant]

I don't have time to read this wikipedia page.

[frosty charm]

is fovos ever mentioned by name (i see him being called "the behemoth/abberant") so is it a canon name or nickname

[wanton pendant]

Canon name from I believe the sky people.

Who I think are also all dead now.

But it's also just another title.

[frosty charm]

would yharim know that name orr

yea

[wanton pendant]

Like Moon Lord.

Neither are it's real name, since it probably doesn't have one.

Fairly good chance Yharim would know.

[icy veldt]

Steve

[wanton pendant]

He's a history nerd.

[frosty charm]

gary, also known as the moon lord and fovos

[wanton pendant]

It doesn't really matter that much, since it's just one of many titles it was meant to have.

[icy veldt]

"Meow" - Gary the Snail

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord is probably just the latest.

[icy veldt]

||Provy also says that||

[frosty charm]

yeah im just tryna write the dialogue of yharim mentioning the moon lord directly without him directly repeating "abberant behemoth"

[wanton pendant]

I don't know, Scourge of the Dragons, the Great Doom Bringer, Stupid Looking Squid Thing?

[frosty charm]

he tells them "this is coming up soon prepare urself"

[icy veldt]

Tentacle Hentai Monster

(jk)

[frosty charm]

anywaysa

[distant smelt]

"celestial octopus bastard"

[wanton pendant]

I'm going to pretend I know what that means and be insulted.

How dare you.

[icy veldt]

It was another nickname for Moon Lord

[frosty charm]

godd im drawing a blank

idk what to write for his dialogue without copy pasting other lore items

[wanton pendant]

Have him discuss the benefits of opposing the gods, like;
200 Authority
−50% Devout political strength
×0.1 Devout attraction
+25% Pop conversion
+15 Acceptance for pops with State Religion
+0 Acceptance for pops with shared Religious Traits
−10 Acceptance for pops with no shared Religious Traits

[frosty charm]

no like
i know WHAT the dialogue is but not how to actually write it

it's something along the lines of "With the final seal destroyed, only you stand between (ML name) and the world. Good luck"

not word for word but the general structure

i need to golden hitler-ify it

[wanton pendant]

'Those fools were the only thing standing between Terraria and the scourge from the stars.
He is coming, and he plans to finish what he started.
Slay the beast, before he slays you.'

[frosty charm]

yharim doesn't acknowledge the other party members because they oppose him (some are direct worshippers of gods too, yuck)

[frosty charm]

this works, thanks mate

[wanton pendant]

I can, in fact, write. That course I did once really paid off.

[frosty charm]

gonna add a credits section since i've asked for help at least like seven times now

[wanton pendant]

(If we're being honest, if Terrarian were to fail against Moon Lord, there are many others who could take him down. You just get to him first.)

[icy veldt]

Like Provy! (This is what happens in Embers (It is very sad))

[wanton pendant]

Oh so that's what Embers is about.

[icy veldt]

Uh, spoiler

[frosty charm]

yeah but they do kind of speak to the terrarian like they're the last hope of the world, likely grooming them into taking his place

[wanton pendant]

He sees them as Calamitas 2.

[frosty charm]

he thinks he's the only one who stands in the way of the gods and since he wants you as the one to take his spot it kinda makes sense for him to impose himself onto you

[wanton pendant]

And like Calamitas 1, a candidate to be Yharim 2.

[frosty charm]

cant wait to recieve yharims armor and sword in the will!

[wanton pendant]

'Terrarian, take my secret Pink Armour.'

[frosty charm]

byea the rewritten prologue is done (i changed some story beats and rewrote the cultist fight)

[icy veldt]

Melt it down and use it to improve Draedon's bee-enslaver machine

[wanton pendant]

It's what he would have wanted?

[frosty charm]

Surely.

[icy veldt]

Plague II: Humanoid Edition 😏

[wanton pendant]

Just like that Alt Future Calamitas.

[frosty charm]

i will work on chapter one later!

[wanton pendant]

Toby Fox as he began developing Undertale.

[frosty charm]

well at least the draft is i need to go back and polish stuff up but

the bones are in the body

[wanton pendant]

It's like the ABCs of medicine.

A
Bone
Coming out of the body is very bad.

[frosty charm]

6 page prologue seems solid

also how strong is dog in the verse
i want them to be like one of the top tiers for the purpose of the story (they gravely injure basically all of the party and kill two so they need to feel strong) but im curious on their canon status

still not as strong as xeroc noxus yharim and protag 4 eos but

[eager bluff]

they would be ranked at their progression spot

[wanton pendant]

DoG is very strong, but he's not at the very top. But he is very bad news for anyone not extremely strong.

[frosty charm]

fuckass abyss wyrm is top tier currently

[eager bluff]

got demoted from superboss to secret boss actually

[fleet wedge]

So would Azafure turn into Frozen Hell in this version?

[wanton pendant]

Wyrm is probably the closest we have for an indication of Zeratros' strength.

[pliant ruin]

primordial wyrm is strong as fuck so yeah

[wanton pendant]

Flooded, I'd assume, and frozen.

[eager bluff]

but yes it is indeed That Guy

[frosty charm]

oh for real

what are they like

the closest to a dragon

like actual closest

[eager bluff]

no that would be yharon

because yharon is a dragon

[frosty charm]

no if im close to a door you assume im not inside the doorframe

[wanton pendant]

Yharon is a dragon, second strongest.

[pliant ruin]

primordial wyrm and old duke are the oldest offshoots so

[sinful adder]

Oh good point. I guess it should.

[frosty charm]

that's not close that's being

[pliant ruin]

they are the closest offshoots to auric dragons

[wanton pendant]

Zeratros is the strongest. It's not unreasonable to assume Wyrm is the closest in terms of strength to Zeratros.

Well, he was.

[frosty charm]

also wait so does that mean the envoys are stronger than provi or is it a "their powers combined" thing

[wanton pendant]

Before he died.

Providence is more power projection then anything.

She presents as big but isn't quite as bad as she seems.

[pliant ruin]

the distortion trios are not going to all be fought at the same time in the future

[wanton pendant]

She is strong, of course.

[pliant ruin]

they'll be spread out

[frosty charm]

oh cool

[pliant ruin]

both to just have progression be better and also to further separate them from eachother

given they have like

nothing to do with eachother at all

besides just distortion

[frosty charm]

id assume signus is the strongest

they seem to be

[pliant ruin]

yeah

signus is going to be on the same tier as old duke

[eager bluff]

yeah hes signutty with it

[frosty charm]

storm weaver is probably the weakest

[pliant ruin]

so literally right before DoG

[wanton pendant]

Signus will have a quest line.

[eager bluff]

nah thats cv iirc

[wanton pendant]

Ceaseless is just an armed portal.

[frosty charm]

since ceaseless has cool tech and magic

[wanton pendant]

Storm Weaver is a worm.

[frosty charm]

and i HATE storm weaver

[wanton pendant]

Storm Weaver's cool!

[eager bluff]

in terms of progression i believe the plan is to move signus up, move cv down, and keep sw in the same spot

[frosty charm]

did they used to enrage because i remember them charging at me at mach fuck for some reason and i took twelve weavillion damage

[pliant ruin]

p sue its this yeah

weaver on the same spot post-provi

ceaseless immediately post ml alongside evil2 and guardians

and signus pre-dog with old duke

[icy veldt]

Losing bones diminishes magical power, which is indeed very bad

[frosty charm]

also where's the ravager being moved to since protag 1 dies by provi but i kind of want them to have a scene where they revisit ravager (they were a former follower of agnus)

[pliant ruin]

provi is post-rav

[eager bluff]

post provi

[pliant ruin]

i

i mean

rav is post-provi

😭

same tier as polter

[wanton pendant]

Providence is strong, but she's like, literally the point separating the strong to the impressively strong.

[frosty charm]

unfortunate

[eager bluff]

same spot buffed rav is in

[frosty charm]

alright then

[wanton pendant]

Beating Providence gets you acknowledged as on Braelor, Yharim and Calamitas' level.

[frosty charm]

also in the cal fight like

[wanton pendant]

So she's like, the point where things are considered 'really bad news to run into.'

[eager bluff]

no, no it really doesnt

[frosty charm]

how beat up does she get she seems entirely unphased by the end

does she just go "oh ok we're cool" after beating you up or are you both kinda bruised

[wanton pendant]

We'll probably get a better indication after the rewrites.

[frosty charm]

i like to imagine she's entirely unphased and just lets you go after she realises you're chill

[pliant ruin]

well she has a shield

you literally dont physically hurt her

i imagine its more of just

[wanton pendant]

That's kinda how I imagine it.

[pliant ruin]

an endurance thing really

[frosty charm]

she fights you because she thinks you're gonna be yharim 2.0 right

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

You're just wearing her out until she calms down and stops panicking over you being Hitler 2.

[frosty charm]

something something "reckless upstart whos slaughtered their way to power who does that remind me of"

[eager bluff]

realistically you're already seen as the shits going down guy at around late prehardmode

[wanton pendant]

I mean, yeah, but that's the point where Yharim claims that your deeds are only matched by those three. You're firmly in 'almost noone is ever this strong' territory.

Like, you were exceptional for ages.

But now you're beyond exceptional.

[frosty charm]

then you're extraexceptional

[eager bluff]

exceptional does not mean you are any less of bad news to run into

[frosty charm]

XtraXceptional

[wanton pendant]

I don't know, maybe Providence is the point where an army couldn't reasonably win, unless it also had a lot of extremely exceptional people.

We're hypothetical scaling at this point.

[icy veldt]

Just feed her some catnip

[eager bluff]

its like running into a rank 1 fixer vs running into a color fixer you're still probably going to die

[frosty charm]

since yharmy uses somewhat outdated (going off of exo armor t2) gear i kind of want to make the yharmy gang get slaughtered relatively easily buut idk

don't wanna steer into the "my oc is super duper powerful and nothing challenges them" territory

especially since they're literally inserted into another story

god

die clyde

[wanton pendant]

Or how about, Providence is the point where you go from top 1% in the world to like, top 0.0001% or something like that I'm being hyperbolic.

[frosty charm]

providence drops you a tier due to nerfs to her fight

sorry gng you're ordinary again

[wanton pendant]

I mean, literally all of Yharim's closest allies are above Providence, which should give a good indication of how bad he was if Providence is quite likely the absolute worst of the gods, and she's weaker then all of his heavy hitters.

(Ok, closest ally is a bit of a stretch for DoG, but you get the idea.)

(And I guess we don't know how strong Permafrost was, but he was probably quite good.)

[frosty charm]

Also would it fit xeroc to help the protag if they defeated noxus since i have a scene in mind but

[wanton pendant]

(As the best mage ever or whatever.)

[frosty charm]

i've got a lot of "xeroc is hands off" so like ikd

idk

not "here have yharon's soul we're god buddies now!" but forcibly dragging them out of a dangerous situation

[eager bluff]

uhh

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is fully capable of communicating with puny mortals, they just don't do it much.

[eager bluff]

if its before defeating noxus but after the proposition i can see it

[frosty charm]

the idea i have is close to the uhh

[wanton pendant]

Maybe they'd be a bit grateful for doing their job for them, at least a little.

[frosty charm]

spoiler for rw

||void worm scene||

[wanton pendant]

Not sure what that is but ok.

[frosty charm]

where they observe them for a while as they're stuck in an endless darkness, forcibly dragging them out after a while

then just leaving them alone

[eager bluff]

if that happens directly after noxus is defeated yeah

[frosty charm]

yea

i kinda made noxus up because i have some ideas

for the story they consume the light of the sun, then the aerie (going to the grave of light which is a literal grave of light not metaphorical)

[eager bluff]

i dont particularly see them going out of their way to help you if it isnt directly related to the defeat of noxus

[frosty charm]

the aerie collapses by falling into the distortion then the heartlands basically entirely wrecking it

and what's left of the aerie is just kinda nothing

no light no life

[wanton pendant]

I'd presume 'Grave of the light' is just Zeratros' grave.

[frosty charm]

yea but i'm interpreting it as a literal grave of primordial light instead of just

metaphorical

like it's not gonna turn them super saiyan but it does help a little

[wanton pendant]

I mean, it being an actual grave is far from metaphorical.

[frosty charm]

• it tastes good probably

[wanton pendant]

And I'd say it having some lingering power isn't unreasonable.

[frosty charm]

the "of light" part may or may not be but we won't know

[frosty charm]

yea xeroc appears to actually kill noxus, then does the thing with the protag (who weakened them quite a lot and made their job easier)

[wanton pendant]

'Here's a rock bro.'

[frosty charm]

i don't want them to have dialogue (partially out of fear of butchering it partially to make them more mysterious)

i kind of want xeroc to feel like

above everything

[wanton pendant]

I mean, Xeroc is kinda talkative.

Like, they're just a guy who turned into MR. BEAST!?

[frosty charm]

not the sense of "this is beneath me" but like

enigmatic, they're in a position that's literally above the world

[wanton pendant]

Oh, never mind it's Elon, way less believable.

[eager bluff]

i would go more of the route where

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc talks like the genie from Aladdin.

[eager bluff]

the main character kinda passes out upon Whatever Happens, and when they wake up they're safe

[wanton pendant]

'1000 years of being in the sun gives you such a crick in the neck!'

[eager bluff]

with idk some kind of marker that xeroc was there

[wanton pendant]

The rock.

This literally happens in WotG.

Sans the rock.

[eager bluff]

this happens after boss rush

the rock has already been given

[wanton pendant]

Writer can you confirm?

[frosty charm]

i'm not including the boss rush

[eager bluff]

oh fair

[frosty charm]

1 i dont like it 2 that sounds like a huge drag to read 3 i dont like it again 4 another i dont like it

[wanton pendant]

This really is Wrath of the Gods!

[frosty charm]

also brb
i'll be back soon to talk more if anyone wants to read what i have now jst dm me and i'll send it once i'm back (id like feedback)

[wanton pendant]

You can send it to me but I won't be able to read it for a while, it's 2am.

[icy veldt]

Water's asleep, time for Provy catgirl posting

[cloud ibex]

water is not the one you should be afraid of here

[wanton pendant]

I'm not asleep.

[icy veldt]

dies

[frosty charm]

who the hell is you

[cloud ibex]

i'm leon

[wanton pendant]

Save the presidents daughter.

[frosty charm]

garbage brother smiley trashbag

[visual kiln]

hi leon

[frosty charm]

what is le on

[cloud ibex]

hello azzy

[visual kiln]

pl

[wanton pendant]

Hello Lyon or however you say it.

[visual kiln]

water wraith gaming

[wanton pendant]

Yes?

[frosty charm]

my wplace shoreline vro piece is finally done... what next...

[cloud ibex]

i'm leon

[frosty charm]

on what

[cloud ibex]

i'm on a chair right now i guess

[wanton pendant]

A gaming chair?

[frosty charm]

ok

anyways hi le

[cloud ibex]

no it's a normal office chair

[wanton pendant]

That is... Reasonable.

[frosty charm]

Also does it fit Yharim to ambush one of the people on their way to challenge him or would he accept the 2v1
Because I want protag 3's death to be sudden and from Yharim but at the same time idk if it'd fit him

[wanton pendant]

I feel like he wouldn't. His whole thing is that his plan is half find a successor half suicide attempt.

He's not above low blows, but I don't think he would do something so overt.

[frosty charm]

Ah

The idea I had was something like protag 3 turning to protag 4, they talk a little before they're impaled and thrown off the aerie

[wanton pendant]

Remember that Yharim is utterly convinced he's an honourable, just hero. Just one who made a few mistakes.

[pliant ruin]

He wouldn't ambush people he's actively trying to manipulate yeah

Would be pretty counterintuitive

He'd only do something like that if it was against someone he found to be deplorable

[frosty charm]

To be fair he only cares about person 4 since the other 3 actively and vocally oppose him but fair

[wanton pendant]

He's also closed himself off from the world.

[frosty charm]

Person 4 only tags along with the other 3 bcuz they're convinced that they need to

[visual kiln]

do they have names

[frosty charm]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is someone who has metaphorically abandoned his humanity, that's why we'll probably never see him without the mask, he symbolically is faceless to be more inhuman.

[frosty charm]

But I just call them protag 1 2 3 and 4

[visual kiln]

based

[frosty charm]

Yea

[wanton pendant]

This creates a juxtaposition with Calamitas, who while her face is quite different from an average human, she is still human.

She still has her humanity.

It's like Wesker from resident evil, he always wears sunglasses to make him seem more detached.

[frosty charm]

I want Yharims mask/visor to be cracked and for protag 4 to see a monster beneath

Obviously he wasn't the moon lord all along but that's what they are to them

[wanton pendant]

I mean, he is metaphorically a monster.

[distant smelt]

Something something game theory

[wanton pendant]

It would make sense that seeing the true face of Yharim you can tell he isn't quite human anymore.

Like the book The Twits.

[frosty charm]

something something Twisting, malformed flesh and a bloodshot eye that pierced through her soul, visible muscle and bone exposed through their decaying face

(again she's seeing them as a monster because to her he's the one responsible for all of her friends dying)

[wanton pendant]

I see you're going the Darth Vader route.

[frosty charm]

in reality he's probably just a badly burned dude but

[distant smelt]

God damn it now i want to commit to writing my own calamity fic

[frosty charm]

up to imagination!

[wanton pendant]

Again, just like The Twits.

[frosty charm]

then do it

every story has been told, but not by you

[wanton pendant]

Bring Calamity high to life.

[distant smelt]

NOOOOO

[pliant ruin]

theres this one calamity fanfiction

dunno if youve heard of it

[distant smelt]

that thing calls out to be written like the goblin mask

[frosty charm]

also im debating to keep protag 3's au plotline; the ideas i have are either tempest (protag 4) ends up following through on becoming yharim's heir (making him naturally distrust them) or they just lost

[pliant ruin]

its name starts with reign and ends with of yharim

[wanton pendant]

It's really not hard;
'Yharim looked at Calamitas. "Go, do a crime." And she did.'

[frosty charm]

it's name starts with ember and ends with s

[pliant ruin]

thats not a fanfiction because its made by a dev its a devfiction

🙄

[frosty charm]

i would have said that but

obligatory embers mention

i have a quota to fill (i wanna fit in!)

[distant smelt]

Are the devs not fans of their own work? (Cope)

[wanton pendant]

Maybe I should write down my messed up alt future bosses stories.

[distant smelt]

I wanna do a thing where i heavy characterize the guide so it’ll be mildly fucked up and evil when the time comes

[frosty charm]

byeah uhh idk if the protag 3 thing makes sense in the story or is even a good plotline (idea from tavernkeep and the original character) if anyone has ideas lmk

[wanton pendant]

But the question becomes, how the hell do I share them? (Do not start a sponsored segment!)

[frosty charm]

dm staff to promote it for five dollary doos

[distant smelt]

You see, with nord vpn

[wanton pendant]

Kill.

[frosty charm]

byeah by the end of the story (yknow aerie collapses) everyone but calamitas, maybe a few npcs, and the protag (not counting xeroc because yeah) are dead
i want the end to symbolize that the past is over, there's no more dragons (yharon can't reincarnate in the aerie because it's all fucked, godseeker is dead and so are a good chunk of the gods, all of the past towns have been destroyed and so have the protag's friends (minus calamitas because yayyy!!!) etc etc) so it's kind of a bow on "chasing the past results in disaster"

there is no more past to chase, even if protag 4 wanted to it's gone

[distant smelt]

Fitting end tbh

[wanton pendant]

I mean, Yharon probably doesn't need the Aerie to respawn, but I get the idea.

[frosty charm]

yea i can change stuff around a little

[wanton pendant]

Wait, what about Princess? You're not gonna kill the kid, are you?

[frosty charm]

they leave

they aren't explicitly stated as dead, she doesn't find any bodies but it's heavily implied

[wanton pendant]

Just use the ocarina of time, idiot.

[frosty charm]

ending scene is the protag sitting in the ruins of the old forest city, humming a tune that yharim taught them (something something draconic heritage) until calamitas stumbles upon them. as the blizzard grows stronger, the two sit next to each other, silently sitting as they wait

wait for what? ambiguous yayy!!! (they probably don't die)

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas did a healing magic course in war crime academy.

[frosty charm]

i also don't imagine that a blizzard would kill them since animals are still around

not everyone was squished just like 90%

[distant smelt]

I have this one scene planned where the destroyer is heading straight for the town near the arena (that was set up just because the main character assumed they’d be fighting more people) and they lock the hell in to knock it off course

[frosty charm]

nice

[distant smelt]

Of course it does this because what else does the destroyer do but kill npcs

[wanton pendant]

Unrealistic, who doesn't have a few villagers be collateral to worm bosses?

[faint totem]

What the fuck are you all talking about

[distant smelt]

Calamity fanfiction

[wanton pendant]

War crimes?

[frosty charm]

i just skipped to lunatic since people said it'd be a good place and i didn't want to write the entire progression of terraria AND calamity for a story that focuses on the biggest part of calamity (the post ML)

[distant smelt]

Valid

[frosty charm]

our ideas for calamity fanfics (im writing one e is planning)

[wanton pendant]

Montage all the bosses so it's reverse gameplay where the end is a boss rush.

I'm their proofreader I guess.

It is 3am.

[frosty charm]

yeah atp they're a featured writer

i even put them in the credits!

[faint totem]

Ou

[distant smelt]

Hol up i should update my server name because e aint workin for me anymore

[wanton pendant]

Also, here was the super dark alt future story I mentioned, or at least one of them.

[faint totem]

Jesus

[frosty charm]

my biggest worries about the story are

• butchering characters
• making uninteresting mcs
• making a bad story LOL

[wanton pendant]

To be fairs that's just one issue three times.

So you only have one worry: not write goodly.

[faint totem]

I’m currently writing a story bout a fuckin lizard

[distant smelt]

Intriguing

[wanton pendant]

What do you mean by that?

[frosty charm]

rain world lizard

intruiging

[faint totem]

Exactly that. I’m currently writing a serial novel bout a dumbass lizard

[wanton pendant]

Oh, ok, that's alright.

[faint totem]

It’s on Royal Road

[faint totem]

Did you think I said fucking a lizard

[wanton pendant]

Not quite...

[faint totem]

Then what

[wanton pendant]

Man it's late I should go to sleep.

[faint totem]

What did you think I said water wraith

[wanton pendant]

Maybe you're a Barney hater and it was anti-Barney propaganda?

[faint totem]

What?

[wanton pendant]

What?

[faint totem]

Are you high

[wanton pendant]

Six foot.

[faint totem]

Not what I meant

[wanton pendant]

That's higher than most people.

[frosty charm]

also how should yharim die within the story

• killed by protag
• killed by xeroc (idk why they'd do this but it'd be kind of karmic)
• killed by noxus/aerie collapse (realistically makes the most sense)
• ambiguous (kills themselves lol)

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc wouldn't do it. If the would, they'd have done it ages ago.

[frosty charm]

yea that's what im thinking

[distant smelt]

1 or 3

[frosty charm]

but i don't trust myself creatively so

[wanton pendant]

It makes most narrative sense for it to be the protagonist.

Like, they duel it out on the collapsing Aerie.

Like DMC3 or something.

[frosty charm]

yeah but the only real time would be either

• during the fight with noxus (they think noxus is out and they immediately turn to yharim and tear his throat out)
• before (leaves them to fend for themselves against noxus where they'd realistically die)
• after noxus leaves (would require restructuring but is prob the coolest)

[wanton pendant]

Well, you could have it that they beat Noxus together, then finally have their duel on the Aerie as it falls to Terraria.

[frosty charm]

cause what i want the fight to be structured like is

• yharim shows up
• they fight for a while
• noxus shows up, devours the aerie, becomes ultra necrozma noxus
• they team up, kill noxus
  ambiguous filling
• by the end the protagonist is left in a sea of endless darkness before xeroc shows up and drags them out

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas shows up and depressionmaxxes stays with them.

[frosty charm]

well yea that's after they're rescued

im thinking that the protag is much younger so they just kinda try to comfort them, sitting with them in the silent remnants of what once was

yknow i dont want cal to trauma dump on a teenager

[wanton pendant]

Hey, she's probably used to bottling up her trauma.

[frosty charm]

but idk if cal would actually do that and i dont want the story and characters to bend around the surviving protag

idk my biggest worry is making protag 4 (my character) seem like a mary sue that everyone works around

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas spent three years traumamaxxing, I doubt she'd want anyone to feel like how she did.

Just don't make everyone fall in love with her and you'll be fine.

[faint totem]

Coward

[wanton pendant]

No. 4, I mean.

[frosty charm]

Man, there goes my plans...

but no realistically she isn't the friendliest person, moreso just uncomfortably formal but impatient and short tempered

though she does mellow out as it goes on

[wanton pendant]

A Mary Sue generally means an overpowered self insert that everyone loves in universe. So don't, uh, do that I guess.

[frosty charm]

prone to outbursts (doesn't know how to articulate how she feels so it bubbles over, usually on others) and is naturally quite reserved

[wanton pendant]

Yeah character flaws are good for not being an op self insert.

[frosty charm]

i meann they do have some traits

• lightning abilities (though i think this can be explained by the dragonfolly heritage + just magic)
• part dragon (again this is my biggest worry since yknow there's plenty of self inserts that are related to the most powerful things in verse)

though they do get horribly maimed quite a few times so that could be enough to show that they aren't op

uhhh their arms get torn off by dog, their chest gets caved in (and then they need an artificial heart, either mechanic and goblin tinkerer work on it or draedon improves it with auric because he wants to experiment with some of the auric they have, so i guess they trade) and they get a ton of injuries from the yharim and noxus fight

they also get pretty badly burned in the provi fight from being dropped into the lava (im taking inspiration from the infernum fights)

[wanton pendant]

I guess they're pretty Invincible.

[frosty charm]

everyone needs a little plot armor..

[wanton pendant]

At least someone's putting respect on mechanic's name.

But don't forget steampunker.

[frosty charm]

id see steampunker as the one to help with the artificial limbs (they don't regenerate or anything)

idk if i want draedon to help because like, maybe he would in exchange for a good chunk of auric (i remember people saying he'd gladly take a chance to work on it) but at the same time i think he'd just take it back in exchange for like a recipe or smth

[wanton pendant]

I can see Draedon doing it just to see if it's possible.

[frosty charm]

yknow "give your rare dragon ore to me and i'll try to help"

then draedon plants a bomb in them and the very final word is "kaboom"

because hes EVIL!

[wanton pendant]

He wouldn't do that, he literally is incapable of evil. He literally has no concept of morality.

As he's amoral.

[frosty charm]

i imagine he'd see it as like deconstructing and modding a retro console (not the bomb thing the heart and limbs thing)

[frosty charm]

yeah i knwo that's not a plotline

[wanton pendant]

I know, I'm only saying, just in case someone comes in and actually thinks Draedon does that.

[frosty charm]

yeah i don't think he does anything out of malice

[wanton pendant]

We get all sorts of inspired questions in the lore channel.

He only does things for science.

[frosty charm]

outside of just being snarky when you destroy his drone but that's not malice

[wanton pendant]

I mean, I wouldn't call that snarky.

More chiding.

[frosty charm]

i interpret it as byeah

[wanton pendant]

I see it more as an 'the battle's over, it's childish of you to attempt to attack me'.

[frosty charm]

yea

byeah if yharim isn't the type to ambush someone idk if i wanna move back protag 3's death and if so idk where

[wanton pendant]

What do you think they would do that would get them killed?

[frosty charm]

best candidates are

• yharon
• draedon (would ruin the idea of draedon helping protag 4 since they'd refuse)
• yharim (dies mid battle)
• noxus (also would die mid battle)

[frosty charm]

what like, in fight or just an action

because the idea is that yknow everyone else dies throughout because hardship builds character

[wanton pendant]

What do you think would kill the characters not just from a narrative standpoint, but what would it take to kill them.

What's their weakness be it physical or otherwise.

[frosty charm]

Well

• protag 1 dies to being caught inbetween dog and Provi, who is much stronger than the cast. They're liquefied by then and force someone else to be a leader, fucking up the group
• Protag 2 sacrifices themself to kill DoG, blowing a hole through the distortion and reality. Gives protag 3 and 4 a reason to keep fighting
• Realistically protag 3 is physically very frail, but pretty fast so they can dodge a good bit before getting hurt. I see any generically strong attack that hits (either being forced to tank it or being surprised) killing them

Y'know if it was a fighting game protag 3 would go down in 1 ult

[wanton pendant]

So I would say Yharon, since arguably the entire fight is his 'ult'.

[frosty charm]

Protag 3 dying is the final push for protag 4 to fight from a will to avenge their friends to pure hatred and spite

[wanton pendant]

And also Yharon being the one closest to Yharim.

[frosty charm]

Alright

[wanton pendant]

I mean, obviously you can do whatever you want, but I'd put Yharon as where they kick the bucket of lava chicken broth.

[frosty charm]

Alright

Cause yeah the main idea is that protag 4 has a conflict of interest, but since they end up getting pretty close to protag 3 and the one that kills them is Yharims bestie they switch their focus from "I can reach a compromise" to "I'm killing him now"

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, works as good character motivation. No. 4 must be one hell of an optimist to think Yharim can be compromised with.

[frosty charm]

Less of a compromise with him, more of a compromise of his ideology

Y'know "I can avenge my kind and not kill billions"

[wanton pendant]

Some genocide is ok, as a treat.

[frosty charm]

True!

Realistically though protag 4 doesn't understand the full extent of what Yharim has done because they're extremely young and never care to ask anybody, they only hear his story

They're told Yharims a bad guy but never why because it's common knowledge to everyone but then

Like of course it's not totally a misunderstanding, they are aware that Yharim has killed gods and other people but they are convinced that those people were evil and needed to be killed, like the monsters they've fought

Though it might be kind of a copout idk

[faint totem]

4?

[frosty charm]

I just call them protag 1 2 3 and 4

there's 4 protags the other 3 die

[faint totem]

How’d the other 3 die

[frosty charm]

1 dies to dog (in the way of them devouring a dying provi)

2 sacrifices themself to kill dog and blows a hole through the distortion and reality

3 dies to yharon

[faint totem]

Damn.

[frosty charm]

leaving 4 as the sole survivor, while they originally wanted to come to a compromise between the crusades and not murdering innocents they throw away all of yharim's ideology as their friends die

[faint totem]

What classes do they play. Or ig represent

[frosty charm]

none particularly but if i had to classify
1: mage
2: melee
3: another mage (infected by the astral, so their blank-kinesis switches to creating and manipulating astral shit

4 is probably another melee since most of their fighting style is getting up close and attacking them until they're shoved off

[faint totem]

Ah yes, F I S T I N G

[frosty charm]

im writing the ending right now since it's good to have it planned

[faint totem]

I don’t have any ending planned for my serial currently. Mainly because I’ve only written and posted 4 chapters and 2 tidbits

[frosty charm]

hoping that the ending actually illicits emotion from at least one person when i'm done loll

[frosty charm]

ending is done i think

[wanton pendant]

'And then Yharim said, as the light faded, "I guess... The Calamity... Modded me...""

[frosty charm]

Calamitas, you go left. Draedon, you go right. Amidas... you just keep being Amidas. Together, we are Calamity!

i can either send what i have here (wall of text) or you can just read the doc if you're interested/want to give feedback

it's not the ending chapter as a whole just the final scene

[wanton pendant]

'"Don't worry, nobody has seen the Brimstone Witch in years!" Beat. "She's right behind me, isn't she?"'

[frosty charm]

on the topic of calamitas where should her fight take place

i havent thought about that but since it's like the moment before the climax it's probably important

an idea i had is that protag 4 visits azafure, mourning the fallen protags as calamitas stands from the bridge opposite of them, obscured as they talk to them for a bit before fighting

yknow "you come here often? gotta kill you tho srry"

[wanton pendant]

I did once imagine an idea for an early game Calamitas encounter in Azafure, with the implication that Calamitas forces herself to visit the place as an unhealthy 'I deserve to feel bad' thing, since she hates being there. But in the story, you're not summoning Calamitas, she's attacking you in a near panic.

[frosty charm]

yeah

i did want calamitas to have something similar happen

i shall steal your idea

dw i had the idea before but not with the implication of her forcing herself to feel bad

moreso just a chance meeting where the azafurian protag visits their hometown before the provi fight, mourning the loss of a city they never knew along with calamitas, who doesn't say much

kinda like the infernum cutscene where they place down the rose and dip

[wanton pendant]

I did put out a theory a bit ago of Calamitas is spending the (by my calculations) 12 years she spends in exile saving people in secret, with it mainly beings another unhealthy coping mechanism. I mean, if you were her, you'd probably feel awful too.

[frosty charm]

yea

i had a thought on the end (though im not writing it out since i think the ending is nice) where she kinda takes on the role permafrost did to her with the protag (who i've settled on being quite young)

[wanton pendant]

Like some kind of self destructive 'My own wellbeing is secondary to everyone else's' kind of mentality.

[frosty charm]

there's not much time to show it so she just kinda sits there with them, asks them whats up and tells them that it's gonna be alright

i thiink it fits (like not straight up adopting them but just seeing herself in them and doing what she wishes someone did with her)

[wanton pendant]

I mean, Permafrost tried.

[frosty charm]

yeah and then got snowgraved

[wanton pendant]

It was Snowgrave or execution.

[frosty charm]

byeah uhh.. ive got ending and prologue finished soo

yay me

[wanton pendant]

If you want to send me anything to proofread, I'll try not to forget about it.

[frosty charm]

i sent it in dms

ending is in planning

tryna think of how many chapters it should have

[limpid saddle]

chat

is Calamitas a girlfailure

If yes, by the transitive process, does this make Calamitas Clone a girlfailure²

[long bloom]

she cannot be fit into such simple categories

[mighty zenith]

@pliant ruin

youre calamitas

answer

[cloud ibex]

she's been living on her own for years she's doing alright

clone i don't know we don't really know much about her

[wheat walrus]

calamitas is a girlstruggler

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is a hopemaxxing girlsurvivor. Calamitastwo is a chaospilled girltrainwreck.

[pliant ruin]

not really i dont think

suppose it depends on your definition of girlfailure

but id argue shes closer to being a girlboss than a girlfailure honestly as leon said shes been like living in the wild in a cave for a pretty long while and she seems to be doing alright and that's pretty impressive

Like she has to get food from somewhere so i imagine she has learned to forage and hunt and stuff

She's probably a bit socially inadept as i imagine she dosen't meet other people super often but other than that

[icy veldt]

She has the voices to keep her company

[cloud ibex]

she has also managed to either make a new set of robes on her own or get someone to make a set of new robes for her

[pliant ruin]

I also like the headcanon that she helps others from the shadows and stuff
The thing water wraith said basically

[cloud ibex]

that's not very girlfailure esque

[pliant ruin]

I think that's cool and fits her character

Just helping people and communities while remaining hidden since i dont think showing up in the middle of a town and going. hello i am the brimstone witch i will defend you all now 😊 would be a good idea

[icy veldt]

Chased after by a mob with torches fire extinguishers and pitchforks

[wheat walrus]

forage and what

[icy veldt]

Forage and hunt and stuff

[cloud ibex]

i still like the idea of her going to random towns and earning money by doing menial magic tricks like conjuring a small flame and watching the townspeople who have never seen magic before in their life go "WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKK "

[pliant ruin]

shes hunting some . some what omni

[wheat walrus]

some monsters, she needs to finish her rathalos armor set

[pliant ruin]

This also seems fitting provided she'd like use a disguise of some sort yeah

Its silly

[wheat walrus]

anyways calamimir is a girlstruggler

[limpid saddle]

Good thesis

[cloud ibex]

and when people recognize her as the Brimstone Witch™ she does some ice magic and they go "oh yeah i guess her deal is fire how would she do ice clearly you're not her :D"

[icy veldt]

Calamitas when she gets a soul-destroying cubicle job at some massive company's office building

[wanton pendant]

I mean, girlboss is going a bit far. She's broke and homeless, not really boss stuff.

[limpid saddle]

as a reward recieve my latest calclone fanart in an autumn coat

[icy veldt]

Girlmiddle-manager

[wanton pendant]

Girlfinancialstruggler.

[limpid saddle]

girlboss is a state of mind

[wheat walrus]

no failure or boss, just living in spite of all bad things

like everyone fr

[pliant ruin]

In the nefarious calamity roleplay i had it so Calamari would occasionally go to towns in a disguise to sell items she found while travellingg to get some money
Magically useful components, Artifacts, Rare herbs, stuff like that

[wanton pendant]

This implies she's remotely in a good state of mind.

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas is

quite literally

just a girl

🙏

[wheat walrus]

so true

[wanton pendant]

A magical girl with every trauma.

[pliant ruin]

her lips are a bit dry she should moisturize them

like just a lil bit

[wheat walrus]

madoka magica iirc

[pliant ruin]

puella magi madoka magica

[wanton pendant]

Don't know who that is.

[wheat walrus]

i was faster than you

[wanton pendant]

Good thing I was here for Calamitas discussion time.

[pliant ruin]

this is true though

I wouldn't say Calamitas is quite a girlboss but shes closer to being one than being a girlfailure methinks

[wheat walrus]

second-hand brainrot is something for sure

[wanton pendant]

Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss, Godslay. -Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

being meguca is suffering

[icy veldt]

How are her math skills?

I'm curious

[wheat walrus]

powerscaling threads

[wanton pendant]

I get the impression Calamitas is very smart.

So probably pretty good.

She scales to, I don't know, me?

[cloud ibex]

she's probably alright at it

[icy veldt]

Yeah, she does seem like she could be a quick learner

[wheat walrus]

talking abt the math

[cloud ibex]

i'd imagine permafrost taught her things like that

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, I'm good at maths.

She had like 3 years to learn.

That's enough time.

[limpid saddle]

she doesnt know how to

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas strikes me as someone that would probably get bored by math class but also not as someone bad at math

She's just like

average

[wheat walrus]

relatable on that

[icy veldt]

Well she had Perm tutoring her, instead of any formal class

[wanton pendant]

She probably grew up poor, she may not have been to a regular school.

Like, in a war economy Azafure, would they be getting compulsory education?

[icy veldt]

What kind of education model did Azafure have? Given its emphasis on industry and manufacturing, I imagine it was something like the Prussian model, meant to mold students into the perfect factory drones

[wheat walrus]

sob

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying!

And her brother became a mercenary to provide, so they were likely in the lower class.

[pliant ruin]

unrelated but i'm playing lobcorp while i'm talking here so picture me with the i paused my game to be here t shirt right now

[wanton pendant]

Ok.
Uh.
Jetstream Sam in a t-shirt.

[wheat walrus]

i will not

[pliant ruin]

thats rude

[cloud ibex]

picturing it as we speak

[wanton pendant]

I imagine Cataclysm stayed at home to look after Calamitas, while Catastrophe was their breadwinner of sorts.

[wheat walrus]

this is you

[wanton pendant]

He also did brawling as a hobby, maybe took Calamitas to watch.

[pliant ruin]

Catacylsm was the mercenary right

[limpid saddle]

Well they were both fighters

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[pliant ruin]

Or was he the brawler

ok yeah

[wanton pendant]

Well, one of them has to watch Calamitas.